Solipsism, the biggest spiritual Con.

[ROMANWKT]

Solipsism, the biggest spiritual Con, ever devised against humanity and myself, ever.

What Is SOLIPSISM ?


Regards as always to you all

roman

[greybeard]

Welcome, welcome, welcome, Roman.
Very pleased your back.
Chris

[ROMANWKT]

Welcome, welcome, welcome, Roman.
Very pleased your back.
Chris

HI Chris , my friend, thank you for the welcome, really nice to be talking again here, though I never left, ever, I am here daily watching all the threads, always.

Its horrible not being able to thank somebody or pass a comment of agreement, or disagreement, so Ilie and Paul gave me the code now to come and go as I please, they are fed up switching me on and off heheheh.

Really nice to see you Chris, hope you still talk to me when I finish this thread, hehehe.

Warmest regards as ever to you my friend

roman

[meeradas]

It's really nothing, Roman.


Welcome back.

[ROMANWKT]

It's really nothing, Roman.


Welcome back.

Hi, OK how is that then, can you explain why its nothing, (edited, cant spell today)

regards

roman

[meeradas]

Hi, OK how is that then, can you explain its e-reverence.

Sorry, Roman, for mis-phrasing my welcome back note.

Here it is, corrected:

It's really nothing to worry about, imo.
I chose not to. Up to you, entirely.
Hence, no explanation [possible] here.

All the best.

[ROMANWKT]

Go to Google and find out what Solipsism is, and put here if it interest anyone.

regards
roman

[PurpleLama]

"Am I the only one who sees the solipsism?!"

Wecome back!

It is a con, but isn't. I'd say for certain only one mind is, but I'm not at all sure that it is mine.

[crosby]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

it is so nice to see you back Roman. welcome home again.
warmest regards, corson

[ROMANWKT]

"Am I the only one who sees the solipsism?!"

Wecome back!

It is a con, but isn't. I'd say for certain only one mind is, but I'm not at all sure that it is mine.

Hi REILLY, thank you,

You're on the right track my friend, get more explanation from googles, let see what the established view is.

regards
roman

[Bill Ryan]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.


That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.



If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either. :)

[ROMANWKT]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

it is so nice to see you back Roman. welcome home again.
warmest regards, corson

Hi and thank you Corson, yes that seems to be the accepted version of Solipsism, check out some more, let have more version in here, so we fully understand what we are dealing with, because it has been used against humanity for thousands of years.

warmest regards Corson
roman

[ROMANWKT]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.


That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.



If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either. :)


Hallo Bill

Yes you are right Bill, but if it isn't, then our understanding of reality is wrong, and has been hidden (Occulted) for thousand of years from outsiders.

Regards as ever Bill

roman

[Bill Ryan]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.


That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.




If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either. :)



Hallo Bill

Yes you are right Bill, but if it isn't, then our understanding of reality is wrong, and has been hidden (Occulted) for thousand of years from outsiders.

Regards as ever Bill

roman

Nope -- doesn't hold water. :)

If Solipsism is the "biggest secret", hidden from us by others for thousands of years -- then you're doing it all yourself! (And therefore, by default, there are no "others", and there can be no conspiracy. It just leaves you playing games with yourself in an empty universe.

[ROMANWKT]

If its Philosophical, so where does reality begin, or when do we start venturing into mind or illusions, where is the LINE.


dig some more up so we understand better.

regards

roman

[ulli]

I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

[greybeard]

I like it simple.

One way of looking at is you are electricity and an appliance.
There are thousands of different appliances and many different voltage /amps used.
So there is God God (in the Highest) and little gods---all electricity.
Thats the paradox.
Or we are the river that runs into the sea.
Its beyond discussion and mind.
Ramana Maharshi had no problem with being the Totality all of it and yet praying to God.

You bring some interesting subjects to the table Roman --- I might not agree with all you say but I would always discuss with you/speak to you.
Respect continues through agreement or disagreement.
I would not be happy if everyone agreed with me.

Chris

[ROMANWKT]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.


That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.




If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either. :)



Hallo Bill

Yes you are right Bill, but if it isn't, then our understanding of reality is wrong, and has been hidden (Occulted) for thousand of years from outsiders.

Regards as ever Bill

roman

Nope -- doesn't hold water. :)

If Solipsism is the "biggest secret", hidden from us by others for thousands of years -- then you're doing it all yourself! (And therefore, by default, there are no "others", and there can be no conspiracy. It just leaves you playing games with yourself in an empty universe.

Yes again you are right, I am trying to hold back the reason for bringing this up Bill, until its properly understood by those that may be interested, there is obviously more to come, but must admit you got me there, you are correct BUT shall have to continue tomorrow, still a working man Bill, It get more interesting as we go on, thank you.

Warmest regards as ever to you Bill

roman

[greybeard]

If you take it that only God is, then God being formless could not experience that which he knew.
He had to become form to experience the five senses and more--- it would not be enough to be just one--there had to be subject and object--duality.
However each seemingly individual form experiences on behalf of the One.
The hand has five fingers and each a different function yet it is the hand.
The mystics will say that what you are in truth is form formless both and neither.
The mystic experiences non location---no time no space--yet is well aware and interactive at the same time---very compassionate.
The non enlightened--not being in that state--cant understand it.
So the word Solipsism is a concept---concepts can not be reality.

Chris

[crosby]

actual existence vs. phantom existence...... duality vs. singularity..... real brain and body with real thought processes vs. jelly in a bowl thinking.

i have read that there are some philosophical positions that suggest that something really doesn't exist unless it is being observed. now, i don't know if i would go along with that, because even though i am not observing my mother or my fridge at the moment, i know that they are still there. but how do i know that?
warmest regards, corson

[Zelig]

This thread makes me dizzy and sad.

[RMorgan]

Well, the actual idea of solipism is quite complex and has many facets.

Metaphysically, I believe solipism gets quite interesting when it states that you can only be sure of what´s going on in your own mind, and it´s impossible to interpret anything else external accurately, because you are a single observer and all conclusions you make are assumption based analogies, inevitably attached your point of view, which is singular.

Following the same reasoning, you could say that everything else exists just if you exist, because the very concept of existence only exists inside the mind of the observer of the existential phenomena, not outside of it.

For instance, if we deny the idea of possibilities of continuation of consciousness after physical death, we could say that the whole universe ceases to exist at the moment the individual, which is the observer of the existential phenomena, dies.

So, existence becomes meaningless if there´s no one there to observe; In this case, this no one is you. Things may even continue to exist, but they become meaningless if you, who are the only protagonist of you own life experience, aren´t there to give them meaning.

Under a broader perspective, considering solipsism, you could say that when you die, the whole universe dies with you, because your experience as an observer is as unique as you are as an individual, and will no longer exist after you´re gone. No one experiences the phenomena of life identically.

Basically, if I die, all you guys die with me, because you will no longer exist from my perspective, which is the only perspective I could ever fully experience, and the only one I can be sure that ever existed.

This is a very interesting concept; This discussion is pointless because the concept itself is both impossible to confirm or refute, ultimately.

As a side note, solipism can´t be classified as a spiritual philosophy, because it only is applicable if you consider that you´re no longer able to observe existence after you physically die. It doesn´t take spiritual beliefs in consideration because it is epistemological in nature, encompassing just knowledge, not beliefs.

Solipism and spirituality are not compatible concepts; Every time someone tries to mix them in the same bag, it creates huge philosophical and practical contradictions.

Raf.

[Craig]

Hmm, it could be very real, I always thought that I was out to get me in strange and bizarre ways, hats off to me I am bloody amazing. But if it is not real then my paranoia is getting the better of me.

It is classified as paranoia if they are really out to get you?

I look forward to reading more, not understanding, but reading more.

EDIT: After reading Raf's post, A man once told me about the old saying to understand another person, walk a mile in their shoes, well besides being a mile further down the road in another pair of shoes, you still only see through your eyes what you think it is like through their eyes, your inbuilt filtering will still apply.

So everything will always be filtered? What if we could free the bonds of the body would we then be exposed to everything unfiltered and could we cope? Well this thought has just popped my mind

[Kiforall]

Great to see you posting again!

The main ideas of solipsism.
Arguments of Gorgias of Leontini who is considered to be the father of solipsism.

1)Nothing exists
2)Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it
3)Even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others
4)Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood

The above is taken from:

http://mindandphilosophy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/solipsism-do-others-exist-in-your-mind.html

[bennycog]

You feel you exist because your mind process's the information around you. The mind is still not strong enough to capture the true existence of things because it is running on 4 of 8 cylinders :)
Your senses are heightened from your ability to program your mind to open up more, ( meditation ) and this creates more of a reality for you..
You exist to others because your actions and choices project interuptions in their existence.. Making you seen heard felt.. You would feel nothing without the mind processing your surroundings.. There you would live in a kind of solitude unless you had the ability to project yourself on other planes of existence :)
Is that close?

[Craig]

Isn't this a great post, it has awaken something i have thought to be long dormant within me, a childish questioning curiosity,

I followed Kiforall's link above and read the blog.

1) Nothing exists

what is nothing? is it the lack of something? is it a yin/yang relationship with something? is that piece of nothing over there the same as that piece of nothing over here? are there different classifications of nothing? is it like a null in SQL? If nature abhors a vacuum it must really hate nothing?

2) Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it

does this negate number 1? are we like Futurama where we are just a brain\entity in a jar somewhere living what can be classified as the ultimate immersive reality game? The mere fact we aren't all billionaires living on our own private island means just how powerful this illusion is?

3) Even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others

Am I typing this to myself? I am thinking about multiverses here, could another universe be another invention of someone else who doesn't know about this or me? can we go from nothing exists to something(s) and then communicating between them, i think this is a major leap from number 1

4) Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood

another exponential leap required here, we have gone from nothing to something, to something(s) and communication to understanding (doesn't the meaning of communication imply being understood?)

so the 4 Arguments of Gorgias of Leontini in 4 lines have expressed a multitude of possibilities, what if any could you think would be point 5?

to borrow the thinkings of the great great man Douglas Adams,

5) Even if something could be understood it then changes into something even more incomprehensible

[DeDukshyn]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.


That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.



If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either. :)


Hallo Bill

Yes you are right Bill, but if it isn't, then our understanding of reality is wrong, and has been hidden (Occulted) for thousand of years from outsiders.

Regards as ever Bill

roman

Who ever said we understand reality? I thought that was one of the biggest mysteries of the Universe? I guess it does indicate that opportunity for effect of solipsism is far greater in those with a rigid belief that they completely understand the nature of reality .... interesting ... it seems like a planted catch22 to try to catch certain individuals and demonize them for their beliefs ... but we ourselves as superiors all have "the right belief" so its okay .... we are not like "them" and are safe ... "whew!"

ADDITION .. added more after the "thanks" so "unthanks" if my new addition no longer works for you ... I stand behind it ...

[bruno dante]

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....;)

[Rich]

Roman, first post and already causing trouble?! ;)
Surprised to see you, thought you got banned.
Glad you are back.... and another interesting thread.:eek:



I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

If that theory comes from ego it says the thoughts about other bodies
are 'just my thoughts' (unreal) but the thoughts about ones own
body are not even acknowledged as thoughts (this is arrogance/ignorance).

[thunder24]

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....;) ...it makes a noise because it makes an indentation in the ground where it lays, thus a vibration occured, thus noise was made...???:p

[Shadowman]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.


That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.



If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either. :)


Hi Bill,

sol•ip•sism
[sol-ip-siz-uh m] noun

1. Philosophy . The theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.

2. Extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.

Origin: 1880–85; sol(i)-1 + Latin ips ( e ) self + -ism


The difficulty arises from the confusion between the absolute Self ie God and the relative self ie the ego.

The ego or thinking self is a relative perspective and therefore limited. It is a consequence of the narrowing or distortion, or obstruction, or obfuscation, of absolute awareness reflected in the mind as the individual I.

It is like a shadow, which is created by the obstruction of light. It is both temporary and dependent. Or if you prefer it is like a rainbow which is apparent only from certain perspectives due to the refraction of light. In these two metaphors God is the ever present Sun of total undivided “light” or awareness which when obstructed or diffracted gives rise to the little self or ego.

So, extreme preoccupation with feelings, desires, thoughts etc is preoccupation with the temporary manifestations produced by the equally illusory ego or self. This strengthens the illusion of the existence of the ego as a matrix of memories, relative experiences, belief’s, etc ( ie His story = history)

However, extreme preoccupation with the absolute Self, the pure “light” of awareness in which all appears, including all shadows and rainbows, eventually causes the illusions to be realized as just that, temporary phenomena; including the grandest of illusions, the ego. This realization is known by many names...

If thine eye is single/simple, thy whole body will be full of light. - Jesus

So while the Self/God/All That Is/Totality, IS all that exists, and does so eternally, the self or ego certainly does not. The unreal never lived, the real never dies.

The paradox is that while there is nothing to discuss from the absolute perspective, and the absolute has never uttered a single word, as there is no one else, such activity appears to occur in the realm of dreams ie duality.

If anyone should say that the Tathagata comes or goes or sits or reclines, he does not understand my meaning. - Buddha

The Self cannot be understood by the mind. The mind is both a tool for understanding duality and it's creator. The Self is realized, as in gnosis, and is experienced in silence/stillness (of the mind),

"Gnosis is used throughout Greek philosophy as a technical term for experience knowledge (see gnosiology) in contrast to theoretical knowledge or epistemology.

The fathers of early Christianity used the word "knowledge" (gnosis) in the New Testament to mean spiritual knowledge or specific knowledge of the divine.

Among the gnostics, gnosis was first and foremost a matter of Self-knowledge, which was considered the path leading to the goal of enlightenment as the hidden knowledge of the various pre-Judeo-Christian pagan Mystery-Religions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosis

Be still and know that I am God. - Psalm 46:10

The more you talk about it, the more you think about it, the further you are from it - Seng-Ts'an

Though one should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, he who conquers his own self (mind/ego), is the greatest of all conquerers. It is man’s own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways. - Buddha

To seek Mind (here the buddhist term Mind with a capital M is synonymous with the Self) with the (discriminating) mind (ie the intellect/ego) is the greatest of all mistakes. - Seng-Ts'an

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With Love
tim

[DeDukshyn]

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....;) ...it makes a noise because it makes an indentation in the ground where it lays, thus a vibration occured, thus noise was made...???:p

Is sound not the witnessing of the vibration? Or is it the vibration itself? If so ... don't we already have word for vibration and sound is distinct? Then what is the meaning of sound? :P

[Flash]

I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

Make it two . Would solipsist be link to narcissisim by any chance?

[Jake]

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....;)

The sphere of consciousness that created the tree, and the falling of the tree will always know (having created and experienced it all) that the tree fell. Besides,, do you discount the consciousness of the tree?? I posit that what was created in the beginning was CREATION!! Sonopslosilism :p,,, would only exist in an isolated mind, and an isolated mind is re-enforced by being disconnected from themselves, and the rest of the universe. Any theory that means to show a disconnect between self and the rest of the universe,, is false. (or, will eventually be shown to be false.) Somonsolpsolism (??) :p would be a choice, one of many in a vast field of choises!!! :p;)

I guess I will sit here and wait for me to reply. I'd better hurry, cuz I have to go find myself. I hope I return before I get back!! I forgot to tell myself something... ;)

[bearcow]

this is what my cat believes in

[norman]

I don't know where you intend to go with this Roman, but......

when I started reading the Wikipedia entry for this word, the very first notion that popped up in my mind was that there is a relationship between the 'ego' and what passes for logical purity.

Bill's contribution to this thread threw that notion into confusion for me but as it was something I instantly connected in my head, I'll stick with it and see what you intend to say about it.

[Flash]

My simple philosophy: when i am in the eternal I, the question does not arise since I am it all as well as the individual. When i am in the individual conciousness alone, then the question, based in fact on dualism experienced (one vs many), may arise. If my decision is then to be solipsist, it will lead to narcisism and service to self.

[Rich]

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....;)
So you say the tree is there without a witness, but it cannot make a sound without a witness?


Solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist.
And what is it that is supposed to own this mind?

[Moz]

This tread feels like when I talk to my Father. I will try to explain:

He is a very smart man, way smarter than me.
Although when I talk to him (for hours on occasions) we never seem to get anywhere...
...but its a high level conversation (lots of knowledge, names, books, authors etc) but I always walk away feeling like he never gets the point...

This is how I'm feeling reading this...

Maybe I'm just a low lever user.
Chao

[Mark]

Hi Roman, just dropping by to welcome you back. A mind-boggling question and topic, on a par with questioning the existence of God or whether the world is an illusion or not. The type of questions that lead round and round and upside down in a never-ending circle. So, on this topic I'll defer to tne Ancient Hermetists, who stated succinctly: "On this topic, the lips of Hermes are closed."

But I'll be watching as I'm curious to see where you're headed with this. Bless.

[ghostrider]

I thought I was real , then it turned out I was an illusion ... your all alseep in tube a goo ,in a giant tower , being used as batteries to make more of you to power the tower making more you ... nothing exsist outside of your mind ... then who built the mind ???

[mosquito]

Welcome back Roman, seeing your post brought a smile to my face ;)

What a shame this thread seems to be about to turn into a pseudo-philosophical linguistic mind f*ck, solipsism is easiest to understand as - "me me me", so as Norman said, it's all about the personal ego, but it goes beyond that, and includes ....

My country, right or wrong,
Humans are god's greatest creation,
I have a mission (that's sure as hell going to piss some people off),
Our holy book is better than your holy book,
I am a god,
I'm invincible,
The angels are watching over me,
We have to save American/British/French etc. lives (at the expense of others).

In other words - anything which places "me" or whichever group "I" belong to at the centre of the universe. So, like every other principle, it expqands and embraces human activity wherever it may be, it's not just a dictionary definition or a topic for philosophers to ponder.


If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....

This, and schrodinger's cat, are PERFECT examples of how solipsism operates within mainstream science !!!!! Who says that man is the only conscious creature ? Who says that ONLY MAN counts as an observer ? When the tree falls ....

a) it observes itsself,
b) it's observed by every other living creature in the forest, and
c) it's observed BY THE UNIVERSE !

Likewise, the metaphorical cat is, despite what biologists think, aware of, and therefore observing itself, and is being "observed" by the universe.

[DeDukshyn]

To add more to this thread the mother of my kids used humour the idea that she was the only "real" person and that everyone was created for her experiences ... she believed this as a small child .. not so much anymore though. Either way a fascinating concept ....

[CD7]

Its the study of being sloppy

[WhiteFeather]

Yes, welcome back Roman. Missed your threads that made us think in this tank. Good to see you back on the Mothership again.

[skippy]

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....;)

It's all connected and one. The above example can be root-cause for a tornado 2000 miles further on. Chaos-theory and the butterfly effect, i.e. something as small as the flutter of a butterfly's wing can ultimately cause a typhoon halfway around the world.

"The self does not have simple location. This is why you are brother's keeper. That's why we all are responsible for each other. The idea that what happens in distant parts of the world makes no claim on my moral judgment or my moral understanding, is wrong. The wrong as revealed by quantum physics, as revealed by electronic experience is what Leibniz called a plenum. It's all one thing. It's all connected, it's all of a part." Terence Mckenna: Psychedelics in the Age of Intelligent Machines.

[Rich]

One has to consider that thoughts about 'oneself' are, in as much just thought as thoughts about 'other'. If not it leads to selfishness imo.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi again to you all, and thank you for all your inputs.

Many have a good concept of Solipsism, and many don't, I did not myself understand the depth and the great unbalanced consequences of this paradigm, and how it boarders from the left brain hemisphere and the opposite to the right hemisphere.

The old saying Man know thy self, is of most importance, and if there be anything as truth as I myself have denied its existence on this forum, it is then part of this great disinformation that all seeker of the truth come against, and many top names are still selling this idea even today, for that very reason we are NOT the holders of truth about ourselves and our reality.

A month ago or so. I fell in love with a young guy, hehehe not like that, but his knowledge base which is brilliant. He is a genuine Occultist who became a priest working with the hidden to evolve himself further, what surprised him and made him realize that the controllers were using the Occult to enslave humanity, and have been using this for thousands of years against us all.

He removed himself and now has made it his mission to teach humanity how to achieve our right to our free will and freedom against our oppressors, and no, he did not go and join Jesus as all the others start to tell people after they left their Occult friends. He is still an Occultist, and moves with the hidden knowledge to evolve himself further.

Some of you will know him or heard of him, I could also explain his teachings to you, but will not, as you should all get to know him and follow this guys understanding. He has his own website and all his videos are there for free, all the radio mp3s are there for free, there are about 140 two hour sessions teachings, at the moment we are only interested from lecture 1 to 4, he is not into this for the money, he sells nothing, you only pay if you go to his lectures to pay for the hall hire, he is in Philadelphia USA.

To understand properly about yourself and the truth about what is real and what is not, that there is a dividing line between belief, truth, reality, and illusions. Which to many as myself thought that this could not exist, but I am happy to say now that it most defiantly exists, and it's crucial understanding for us all.

I will put up No 4 mp3 first, and after that one should start with No 1 and move on up. I am putting No 4 first so you will understand the importance of the other 3, and this one will explain the imbalance caused in humanity by our controllers, making all of us believe in Solipsism.

He will introduce himself in the lecture, and his website address is on the link below.

I hope you will all understand that I would not be doing this, or even be here, if I did not believe in its importance. Through his lectures on his podcast, you are going to find all the answer to your very existence and your ongoing evolution, which most defiantly is being interfered with by mind control by the controllers, mind control Occult wise is his forte.


Regards to you all, and thank you.

Roman


http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-004.mp3

[crosby]

thanks ROMAN, I am listening now. will be back for further discussion later.
warmest regards, corson

[InCiDeR]

The limits of the language and use of words collapse the discussion of Solipsism into itself.

Philosophy explanation: The theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.

This explanation use the word self. By using the word self in the explanation, the explanation insinuates that something exists that is not self. Otherwise would not the word self exists.

Does exist exists?


I wrote this in another thread:

Does "existence" exist?

In some statements, existence is implied without being mentioned. The statement "A bridge crosses the Thames at Hammersmith" cannot just be about a bridge, the Thames, and Hammersmith. It must be about "existence" as well.

On the other hand, the statement "A bridge crosses the Styx at Limbo" has the same form, but while in the first case we understand a real bridge in the real world made of stone or brick, what "existence" would mean in the second case is less clear.


Does exist exists?

Do I exist just because there "exists" a word in our language - Exist - that I/we agreed upon?

In so, if the word "Exist" exists there must be a common sense of "exist" in my/our body/mind/spirit complex otherwise the word "Exist" and the common sense of it have no meaning and therefore does not exist.

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Pof... InCiDeR cease to exist in a logical quantum cloud loop that might or might not exist ;)

[northstar]

I have been an admirer of Mark Passio's work for quite some time, especially his ideas on Natural Law.
One very interesting fact about Mark is that he is a former Satanist and so when he speaks about evil, his words carry authority because he has "been there". If anyone is disturbed by his Satanic connection, Mark makes it very clear that he has completely renounced Satanism.

I recommend watching his four foundational "What on Earth is Happening" videos to start, because they will give you a good sense of what he is all about.

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/videos

[ROMANWKT]

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http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-001.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-002.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-003.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-004.mp3

Regards

roman

[Kiforall]

I think your timing for this thread, roman, on my journey and manipulations I have witnessed, is perfect.

(whilst listening to the first part of 001 mp3)

Just thinking about the "consciousness" and the question "why?"

and how by asking why takes you into a awareness of the truth, made me think about Solipsism being "why not."

If you are to live by the laws of nature you must be able to answer why or be willing to at least attempt to find the manipulation of the truth, to become a seeker to the knowledge of the occult, the knowledge hidden from us for thousands of years. The consciousness is fighting for us to ask why? and we are being programmed from being children to stop asking why all the time.

Recently I've been asking myself "why" quite a bit.

Mostly why do certain things make me respond negatively.

I wonder if only God can give the answer "why not"

I would find that very amusing..........

Thanks again for this thread x

[crosby]

so, after listening to the 4th segment and thinking about it overnight i have come to the conclusion that the randomness world theory vs. the determinism world view are very prevalent within our world. i am definitely still learning some things that others here may already have recognized, and i thank you all in advance for your patience with me as i may hold back the conversation a bit.

i see how solipsism works from the randomness world view and i think i understand it from that perspective. one question that i have is, if determinism is the opposite world view of randomness, what would the opposite component of solipsism be from that perspective? what would a more balanced world perspective be? how do we work towards this perspective as a collective?
warmest regards, corson

[Flash]

I prefer the first mp3 to the fourth personnally, but really interesting (i just find the talk a bit long, and sometimes repetitive, but very interesting).

One thing that hit me is that the Milgram experiment in the 60's had 85% of regular folks ending up killing the subject (actor) with electricity because they had been ordered to do it by someone in authorities, the experiment has been reproduced lately it is now well over the 90% that killed the subject. We are getting worst.

[ROMANWKT]

I cant help telling you all that if you are not listening to these recording, you are missing all the dots that connects all that is happening in this reality by the controllers of our minds, to break out you need to understand.

If you are a novice to this kind of teaching that is profound and given by somebody who has first hand knowledge of the controllers agenda and mentality, it is as today a most important knowledge that is required by all of us, as to who and what are we and how do we exist on this plane.

knowledge that is and has been hidden from all of us, and has been a struggle to get to connect all the knowledge together by all of us, he Mark Passio divulges all.

Its a great work, by a very methodical teacher, you all really need to know, I too thought I understood most of it, but this is really complete, and will most defiantly fill all the holes in our understanding, start with No 1 and we progressively move on to the whole truth that the law of reality does exist, and that there are grave consequences to all of us by our ignorance.

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-005.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-006.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-007.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-008.mp3

Warmest regards as ever

roman



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[Orph]

I listened to the first one, and there is some really good info in there. Problem is, for every one minute of information, there is five minutes of talking in circles. I'll continue on, because, if nothing else, my curiosity has been piqued. Kinda wish it was in written form though. (Hmm. Do I complain too much)? :)

Edit: The above comment is for the first podcast only.

[Flash]

i agree, i connected quite a few dots just from 1-2-3

The videos on his website are quite good too because we see the famous pictures and symbols everyone talks about.

[Rich]

Hi Roman,
What caused you to make the claim that solipsism is the biggest spiritual con?
And what do you think solipsism is?

Google says:

The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

Did anyone ever experience something they didn't experience?

I don't see anything wrong with it except that this 'self' that most people understand is referring to the ego/body and in that case would be a destructive theory, taking a thought as real...?
As soon as we say self we already objectevy it, making it a thought.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Roman,
What caused you to make the claim that solipsism is the biggest spiritual con?
And what do you think solipsism is?

Google says:

The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

Did anyone ever experience something they didn't experience?

I don't see anything wrong with it except that this 'self' that most people understand is referring to the ego/body and in that case would be a destructive theory, taking a thought as real...?
As soon as we say self we already objectevy it, making it a thought.

Hi EmEx

You obviously had not listened to the recording, which I think bases on to correct understanding, that those that lean on to the left brain and those that lean to the right brain require belief, which is part of the illusion,solipsism, those that are balanced, work from the bridge between the two spheres which would be your third eye, requiring no belief to achieve spiritual evolution by the universal law which exists with you or without you, and you are bound by it, if you know of it, or if you don't know of it, if you believe it or not, even if you think it does not exist, without which you would be a solipsist.

Regards to you EmEx

roman


Edit update: Please remember all, that this is dealing with all the thing that have been hidden from us all, at the beginning it may make no sense, then slowly you will understand why it has been hidden from humanity for thousands of years.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi all

If you guys are not following the recordings, you are missing very valuable knowledge, BIG TIME, trust me, trust roman, hehehe.

Warmest regards to you all

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Hi

What you'll need to understand is that this guy is an insider and I'm not, I have come to the conclusion that most of my work is solipsistic, this is the mistake I have made, and most if not all majority of the people here are making the same mistake as I have done with all my work.

What Mark Passio says, is most important to our understanding, therefore we should all give it a chance to get the full understanding if you are to make changes in this reality one day for the future.

Regards to all


Roman

[northstar]

Hi

What you'll need to understand is that this guy is an insider and I'm not, I have come to the conclusion that most of my work is solipsistic, this is the mistake I have made, and most if not all majority of the people here are making the same mistake as I have done with all my work.

What Mark Passio says, is most important to our understanding, therefore we should all give it a chance to get the full understanding if you are to make changes in this reality one day for the future.

Regards to all


Roman


Hi Roman-
I was already familiar with Mark Passio's work and much of it resonates and aligns very nicely with my thoughts and perceptions. Most of his work gets past my discernment meter, and that is a good thing.

Your thread motivated me to revisit Passio's work and I have been listening to his most recent podcast where he launches a searing and venomous attack on New Age thought. He begins the podcast with a rage-filled recounting of his recent public detainment by police and he describes that unlawful event. It is a shame that the first hour or so of the podcast you have to listen to him raging at the police due to what was done to him and his wife recently. I say this because many seekers who are not aware of the unusually high quality of his work are simply going to stop listening and turn off the podcast disgusted. I like Mark and I am a great admirer of his work and it was really hard for me to listen to him insult, berate and put down pretty much anyone who does not agree with "the universe according to Mark" in that particular podcast.

It is sad, in my opinion, because later in the podcast he delivers a truly brilliant critique of New Age thought. Solipsism is only a small part of his searing indictment of the intellectual bankruptcy of most New Age thinking. It would be truly amazing if everyone would listen to this critique of New Age thought but I hesitate to tell anyone to listen to that podcast if that is their first introduction to Mark, because on that particular podcast he comes across as a rage filled angry man unfortunately.

I understand that he is very mad because of what the police unlawfully did to him and his wife but if he wants to get his very important ideas out there he simply has to learn to control his anger and stop insulting everyone. Geeze, I admire the guy and I greatly support his ideas but his unrelenting rage on that podcast was making me feel ill.

WOEIH Show #143 (http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast)

[johnf]

I am in a room with another person, a table.
Are any of us real, or are we all causing each other reciprocally.

jf

[ROMANWKT]

Hi

What you'll need to understand is that this guy is an insider and I'm not, I have come to the conclusion that most of my work is solipsistic, this is the mistake I have made, and most if not all majority of the people here are making the same mistake as I have done with all my work.

What Mark Passio says, is most important to our understanding, therefore we should all give it a chance to get the full understanding if you are to make changes in this reality one day for the future.

Regards to all


Roman


Hi Roman-
I was already familiar with Mark Passio's work and much of it resonates and aligns very nicely with my thoughts and perceptions. Most of his work gets past my discernment meter, and that is a good thing.

Your thread motivated me to revisit Passio's work and I have been listening to his most recent podcast where he launches a searing and venomous attack on New Age thought. He begins the podcast with a rage-filled recounting of his recent public detainment by police and he describes that unlawful event. It is a shame that the first hour or so of the podcast you have to listen to him raging at the police due to what was done to him and his wife recently. I say this because many seekers who are not aware of the unusually high quality of his work are simply going to stop listening and turn off the podcast disgusted. I like Mark and I am a great admirer of his work and it was really hard for me to listen to him insult, berate and put down pretty much anyone who does not agree with "the universe according to Mark" in that particular podcast.

It is sad, in my opinion, because later in the podcast he delivers a truly brilliant critique of New Age thought. Solipsism is only a small part of his searing indictment of the intellectual bankruptcy of most New Age thinking. It would be truly amazing if everyone would listen to this critique of New Age thought but I hesitate to tell anyone to listen to that podcast if that is their first introduction to Mark, because on that particular podcast he comes across as a rage filled angry man unfortunately.

I understand that he is very mad because of what the police unlawfully did to him and his wife but if he wants to get his very important ideas out there he simply has to learn to control his anger and stop insulting everyone. Geeze, I admire the guy and I greatly support his ideas but his unrelenting rage on that podcast was making me feel ill.

WOEIH Show #143 (http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast)

Hi Northstar

Yes I heard it, its his latest one, but as you have shown its number 143, I would like people to start with No 1 to 8 as it has been given here, and get to know the guy first, looking at it from a different angle, if all people reacted the way he did after being handcuffed with his lady for no other reason than passing out leaflets in a park I believe, things would be slightly different about encroaching peoples rights, they would think twice,,

Remember, he thinks, he feels, he acts, period.

regards Northstar

roman

[ROMANWKT]

I am in a room with another person, a table.
Are any of us real, or are we all causing each other reciprocally.

jf

Hi Johnf

That's the problem my friend because we are real and we are told its a figment of our imagination, you are born into this reality into this frequency, you exist my friend.

Listen to the recording, there is lots of info there by an insider who will point all these thing out for you, start with mp3-1 its here on this thread.

Regards

roman

[lookbeyond]

Hi Roman, what do you recommend we listen to after the 4 above mp3s? thx lb

[johnf]

I am in a room with another person, a table.
Are any of us real, or are we all causing each other reciprocally.

jf

Hi Johnf

That's the problem my friend because we are real and we are told its a figment of our imagination, you are born into this reality into this frequency, you exist my friend.

Listen to the recording, there is lots of info there by an insider who will point all these thing out for you, start with mp3-1 its here on this thread.

Regards

roman

Well, I read enough of this thread to see this as more of a process.
Like the non existence of the self is one of the major scams.
I am selling myself on.
Learn to see it and nudge it out of the way, so I will listen to these puppies.
Yap at ya after.
jf

[johnf]

So listened to the first one you posted.
Would have missed an important experience here if I had read the posts only.
The definitions of this word in dictionaries don't fit what I am hearing.
Perhaps what he is doing is lumping nihilism in with solipsism. There are two distinct beliefs at work in his talk.
The mechanics of what he is describing make a lot
I think Roman is on to something important here, will continue tomorrow on 1-3 or whatever the other 3 are.

jf

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Roman, what do you recommend we listen to after the 4 above mp3s? thx lb

Hi looobeyond

No5 of course, there are 8 links here on this thread, no more games after this revelation, because of lies, we all are being shunted to the left, then to the right, up and down, too much nonsense in this field finding truth.

Take care loookbeyond and warmest regards

roman

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I am in a room with another person, a table.
Are any of us real, or are we all causing each other reciprocally.

jf

Hi Johnf

That's the problem my friend because we are real and we are told its a figment of our imagination, you are born into this reality into this frequency, you exist my friend.

Listen to the recording, there is lots of info there by an insider who will point all these thing out for you, start with mp3-1 its here on this thread.

Regards

roman

Well, I read enough of this thread to see this as more of a process.
Like the non existence of the self is one of the major scams.
I am selling myself on.
Learn to see it and nudge it out of the way, so I will listen to these puppies.
Yap at ya after.
jf

Hi Johnf

The self most defiantly exists No 11 hehehe

Regards

roman

[johnf]

Hi Roman, what do you recommend we listen to after the 4 above mp3s? thx lb

Hi looobeyond

No5 of course, there are 8 links here on this thread, no more games after this revelation, because of lies, we all are being shunted to the left, then to the right, up and down, too much nonsense in this field finding truth.

Take care loookbeyond and warmest regards

roman

¤=[Post Update]=¤




I am in a room with another person, a table.
Are any of us real, or are we all causing each other reciprocally.

jf

Hi Johnf

That's the problem my friend because we are real and we are told its a figment of our imagination, you are born into this reality into this frequency, you exist my friend.

Listen to the recording, there is lots of info there by an insider who will point all these thing out for you, start with mp3-1 its here on this thread.

Regards

roman

Well, I read enough of this thread to see this as more of a process.
Like the non existence of the self is one of the major scams.
I am selling myself on.
Learn to see it and nudge it out of the way, so I will listen to these puppies.
Yap at ya after.
jf

Hi Johnf

The self most defiantly exists No 11 hehehe

Regards

roman
Agreed, Roman the lack of exercise of free will, respect of it is where this stuff gets us.

However Your No 11 has me completely confused. Number one perhaps?

jf

[ROMANWKT]

Yes Johnf, more about the self on number 11 recording is what I meant

regards

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Link to the podcast start from the very last page thats No 1 and so on http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast go to bottom of page and select last and starts from 1 onwards

regards to all

roman

[johnf]

Cool, my mind was too simulated for me to continue tonight, I 'll digest more tomorrow.
Wait 11 tapes? Lol.

jf

[lookbeyond]

Link to the podcast start from the very last page thats No 1 and so on http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast go to bottom of page and select last and starts from 1 onwards

regards to all

roman

OMG Roman this is serious time investment here!

[ROMANWKT]

Cool, my mind was too simulated for me to continue tonight, I 'll digest more tomorrow.
Wait 11 tapes? Lol.

jf

Hi, sorry Johnf

There are at this moment 143 tape ready to be listened to, take your time, I at the moment listen to 1 a day while I am at work, I drive. so easy no rush

Regards to you Johnf

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Link to the podcast start from the very last page thats No 1 and so on http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast go to bottom of page and select last and starts from 1 onwards

regards to all

roman

OMG Roman this is serious time investment here!

Well what can I say lookbeyond, its really vital information for you and from you your children, what he Mark is doing is something I have been waiting a long time for somebody somewhere to tell it as it is, and up to know he is doing it, I only hope he does not hold back.

As ever, it always lays in how important is the truth for once and all to you.

warmest regards as ever lookbeyond

roman

[lookbeyond]

Working on one/day Roman, thx lb

[lookbeyond]

Hi Roman, Mark P says "as you think, so you feel and act" that if this is one ,then we are not disrupted/corrupted within ourselves-would this be same as/similar as "soul integration" as talked about on other threads? thx lb

[ROMANWKT]

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[sirdipswitch]

All I can say is, WOW!!!! What a magnificant beast I am, to have created all of this in my own mind. And I don't have to worry about any of you, because you don't really exist. WOW!! AGAIN!!! Sure takes a load off me. chuckle chuckle.

This is kinda like sayin nothing exists without, and that everything is within. Just go within, because it's all in there anyway. chuckle chukle.

Heavy s***-Maynerd...

What's it called again? Oh yah, Slopyism... yah it is kinda Slopy thinkin... chuckle chuckle. Made for those who can't figure S*** out.


chuckle chuckle chuckle chucklechuckle chuckle

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Can ya tell what me and George think about it?? ccc.

[risveglio]

Hi

What you'll need to understand is that this guy is an insider and I'm not, I have come to the conclusion that most of my work is solipsistic, this is the mistake I have made, and most if not all majority of the people here are making the same mistake as I have done with all my work.

What Mark Passio says, is most important to our understanding, therefore we should all give it a chance to get the full understanding if you are to make changes in this reality one day for the future.

Regards to all


Roman

Hi Roman, I have been a big fan of a lot of your work and have slowly been working my way through the Journey of Self stuff you shared a while back. Should I stop, is that all just more solipsism?

[Camilo]

I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

That's nuts!

[Tangri]

Nothing exists. You are looking to the blank screen now even it is not a screen

Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. You are looking but you don’t know what are looking at

Even if something could be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.
You are looking blank screen but you cannot express yourself to define the situation

Consciousness makes each of us aware only of his own states of mind, that other people, too, possess a consciousness is an inference which we draw by analogy from their observable utterances and actions, in order to make this behavior of theirs intelligible to us. Without any special reflection we attribute to everyone else our own constitution and therefore our consciousness as well, and that this identification is a sine qua none of understanding

Skepticism is a tool for clearing knowledge by description but it does not help to improve knowledge by experiment.

Because of the subject's nature of complexity it sounds it is a solution for all. But it is not.

When a philosophy disturbs the practice(which lead us experience) of an individual 's ability to resume be alive, we can discharge that pathology for humanity's sake.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hello ROMANWKT, Thought full ness.

Reading through your post and the reactions/coments this sprang into my being:

'Where do you come from?
Where do you all come from exotic sounds, visions feelings, energies?
Forces that feel so solid, inputs faster and faster they course through senses.
Far to strong for illusion?
They pound at door, they smash at walls, they hit full-face-on!
All so forceful!
Yet tipie-toe they swish cross carpet to creep up from behind!

How can I absorb them all?
So, so many!
What could contain them all?

Pushing,
Pulling,
Cutting,
Crushing,
Stretching,
Ripping out my mind.
Ahhhh their ripping out of my very mind.

My mind, my, my mind is alive with these wondrous things, all so real am I going insane?

No look they too are alive!
THEY LIVE
So, so many!
What can I do with them?
What then can I make of them?

I KNOW!
I WILL MAKE ALL YOU!

OH WOW!
THE LIGHT!

IT'S ALL SO CLEAR NOW!
ALL SO CLEAR TO I NOW!

I SEE!
IT'S ALL OF YOU,
IT'S ALL OF YOU I
SEE,
HEAR,
and
FEEL
in my head tonight!'

:)

What came first me the Chicken or the EGG I made to REBIRTH in?

[Mike Gorman]

I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

Yes, I was going to say that solipsistic thinking, beyond the strict, formal definition of the term, has come to mean a kind of 'Uber Narcisism'
whereby the subject is so afflicted by their condition that they cannot permit the idea of an 'Other' possessing the same consciousness as themselves, they perceive
all others as players in their private universe. this may not be 'correct' philosophically but has become a de facto extension of the term. How awful for you Ulli, you must have
suffered, I hope you have discovered a more amenable, and inclusive, soul to dwell with?

[Sunny-side-up]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.


That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.



If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either. :)

Hi Bill
Just a thought but!

I believe we are all ONE (The I) or will be again one day, be it in a new dimensional way or at death etc.

so, Lets say I am the only-one-mind, the only being in the universe.
Now for this discussion say I believe that nothing/no one is out side of my mind But!
I the one am not perfect, I have other realities which i'm not so in control of myself, like Dreaming.
Whilst in other realities of my self I create questions and images that come back to me in my normal day to day life?
So I cause problems and questions whilst dreaming, they came back too/at me and cause discussions! In some cases the images look like humans, humans of all shapes and sises that act out my dream questions to me etc... 0;o

Does that make any sense Bill or have I lost the plot, if I ever had the plot that is Doh

I think this is so near reality, We are one but locked in separate-broken-body-cells/prisons (Broken facets of the whole perfect Crystal) We are broken as in badly connected to the ONE or at least our Higher Self.
We in our Higher self's are connected as one. We whilst in our broken-prison-cell-bodies create questions and problems that feed back to our oneness/higher self, as if from a dream! We as the ONE did not create the problem it came from the dreaming broken-separate-prison-cell body, like an over-load-energy-feed-back in Electric-Circuits , from components over working and making things complicated, causing the Matrix/problem!
If I was in my oneness I am all and all is me, no inside, no outside, no you's ?

Is this yet more lost plot ramblings from me?
Help put me straight lol :)

[ulli]

I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

Yes, I was going to say that solipsistic thinking, beyond the strict, formal definition of the term, has come to mean a kind of 'Uber Narcisism'
whereby the subject is so afflicted by their condition that they cannot permit the idea of an 'Other' possessing the same consciousness as themselves, they perceive
all others as players in their private universe. this may not be 'correct' philosophically but has become a de facto extension of the term. How awful for you Ulli, you must have
suffered, I hope you have discovered a more amenable, and inclusive, soul to dwell with?

Thank you for your kind words. I remarried 23 years ago,
and this being the third marriage I can only say 'third time lucky'.
Each one lasting twice as long a the previous indicates that my battle with my masochism is finally paying off.
At the same time I have had insights into the condition,
and discovered that there is a very fine line between the narcissistic personality and the inclusive one.
It's a matter of personal attitude towards the collective. Just as the individual is a universe at micro fractal level, so the collective form another fractal.
The levels form a sequence from individual to couple to family to clan to tribe to nation to species.
Once that is seen clearly one can operate at any of those levels and establish harmonious relationships.

[Tangri]

I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

Yes, I was going to say that solipsistic thinking, beyond the strict, formal definition of the term, has come to mean a kind of 'Uber Narcisism'
whereby the subject is so afflicted by their condition that they cannot permit the idea of an 'Other' possessing the same consciousness as themselves, they perceive
all others as players in their private universe. this may not be 'correct' philosophically but has become a de facto extension of the term. How awful for you Ulli, you must have
suffered, I hope you have discovered a more amenable, and inclusive, soul to dwell with?

Thank you for your kind words. I remarried 23 years ago,
and this being the third marriage I can only say 'third time lucky'.
Each one lasting twice as long a the previous indicates that my battle with my masochism is finally paying off.
At the same time I have had insights into the condition,
and discovered that there is a very fine line between the narcissistic personality and the inclusive one.
It's a matter of personal attitude towards the collective. Just as the individual is a universe at micro fractal level, so the collective form another fractal.
The levels form a sequence from individual to couple to family to clan to tribe to nation to species.
Once that is seen clearly one can operate at any of those levels and establish harmonious relationships.

With this logic your fourth one is going to last at least 46 years :fish::wink:

[risveglio]

Did anyone download some of these talks because the website is no longer active?

Is this the same guy?
http://www.reallyweirdstuff.com/woeis-videos.htm

[ROMANWKT]

Did anyone download some of these talks because the website is no longer active?

Is this the same guy?
http://www.reallyweirdstuff.com/woeis-videos.htm

Yes risveglio that Mark Passio, check him out on you tube, just put his name there,.... So the web site and his face book is not functioning, I don't think its his doing, he had put himself in danger over his exposures I do hope he is OK and that we will here from him soon, i am looking everywhere to find what has happened.

Thank you and regards Risveglio

roman

[ROMANWKT]

OK the website is back online, please keep listening to the podcasts there is knowledge there.


Regards

roman

[Camilo]

Nothing exists. You are looking to the blank screen now even it is not a screen

Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. You are looking but you don’t know what are looking at

Even if something could be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.
You are looking blank screen but you cannot express yourself to define the situation

Consciousness makes each of us aware only of his own states of mind, that other people, too, possess a consciousness is an inference which we draw by analogy from their observable utterances and actions, in order to make this behavior of theirs intelligible to us. Without any special reflection we attribute to everyone else our own constitution and therefore our consciousness as well, and that this identification is a sine qua none of understanding

Skepticism is a tool for clearing knowledge by description but it does not help to improve knowledge by experiment.

Because of the subject's nature of complexity it sounds it is a solution for all. But it is not.

When a philosophy disturbs the practice(which lead us experience) of an individual 's ability to resume be alive, we can discharge that pathology for humanity's sake.

Well, if nothing exist, why waste time talking about it?

[ROMANWKT]

If you all find these podcast informative, please download all of them now and save them, I had done that a week ago, just in case, and if a web shutdown occurs we are not lost in the middle of things, even though I have these mp3, how do I give them to you, they are to big for emails, and we personally do not have enough personal mega bytes to upload it here on Avalon.

Warmest regards to you all, lets finish this.

roman

[ROMANWKT]

There are many up to date important things going on here on this website, but I will tell you all from the heart that this is the most important thread that we have at the moment and maybe ever, not because its mine, ITS because the information given by Mark Passio is the information that we had all been waiting for, its the reason most if not all are here, and that's at last for the TRUTH.

We have maybe for the first time a chance for unified understanding here, that belief is not necessary, but knowledge, knowledge is the key to our understanding and freedom, a unified understanding that we can maybe for the first time share with confidence with the rest of humanity. the changes necessary have to be done in unison, but individually, it take real knowledge to do that.

I ask you all again to continue listening to this most valuable information on the podcasts, then you will wholeheartedly know why this website is filled with all the on going world turmoil around the world, you will have all the answers to understand that and the tools and the knowledge to do for once something about it.

Regards to all

roman

[Finefeather]

Solipsism is a fact...unfortunately it stops at the point where reality continues...and it fails to address the cause and nature of existence.

We are each a separate Being...one single primordial atom created from primordial matter by motion...The original 'Word' about which we know nothing.
We have involved into denser and denser combinations of atoms until the physical atom we know of now was formed. This was the start of evolution.
Each individual primordial atom...the real Self...has for billions of years slowly evolved into higher and higher forms of life and thus higher and higher states of consciousness.
This achievement was a result of each individual Self's efforts.

The point we need to understand is that all consciousness is one consciousness and each individual Self has it's own individual consciousness...which is it's part of the ONE consciousness which it is conscious of. What it is not conscious of is free for it to become conscious of...it just requires the effort and knowledge. We all as individual Self's contribute to the consciousness of the whole.

Imagine a sea of consciousness and we are each a drop in the sea. Each drop is a part of the whole...and each drop is separate in that it may, or may not contain all the minerals...consciousness...of some other drop 100 miles away...all it has to do is mingle with the group of drops 100 miles away and it will become as they are.
If we remain with the drops who are still less saturated we have no consciousness of the more saturated drops.

The myth of oneness is that we loose our individuality...but that is not so...we will forever be individual Beings, Self's. It is our consciousness which makes us one because we eventually have the same goals and understanding. How boring would life be...and what a bleak outlook...if some day in the far off future we will all be turning into one big ball of undivided Being.

And here is the irony of our misunderstanding and rejection of Solipsism:
We say Solipsism is an incorrect idea but yet in the same breath we think that we will all become ONE or are ONE with something we have called source. It is this 'ONE' idea which we need to understand.

I wonder what this great mind, we choose to call source, was thinking when he formed our cosmos? That we should all end up as clones of each other?...imagine 7 billion of us all identical. What is left to do? OR did he have in mind a world of individual, beautifully, diverse Selfs...who can live in peace and harmony, and in love, where we can pool our great individual minds for the benefit of all?

Take care and with love
Ray

[ROMANWKT]

Have you checked this thread Yet????

Regards

roman

[toad]

I disagree. You're taking an old and vastly comeplex philosophical proposition and summing it up in a sentence and saying its wrong. :/

[ROMANWKT]

I disagree. You're taking an old and vastly comeplex philosophical proposition and summing it up in a sentence and saying its wrong. :/

Hi Toad

The actual truth is very simple, now that I am beginning to understand it, the complexity comes from the mind which is the belief in a illusion created by mind, therefore I think therefore I am, lead one to believe that all is mind, because the truth exist with or without your mind, even without you, we are all being pushed into the direction that we are all there is, we are the gods, absolute nonsense, and that's Solipsism. I had made that mistake for a long time and always had thought that there is something missing, things did not quite fit, they do fit know with natural law, and then the excessive use of the left hemispheres and excessive use of right hemispheres bordering into fantasy, creating a life of constant internal conflict and imbalance to the real truth to a constant natural law that binds all of us with or without our knowledge we are still bound by it in this matrix, there are rules here, get to know them, check the recording from the website given on this thread.

Regards to you Toad

roman

[ROMANWKT]

If there are seekers here that are not following these recordings, with my hand on my heart, you are all missing the most important and valuable information of your lives. yes really. please start from page 1, all info on how to get them is there from page 3

Warmest regards to all

roman

[risveglio]

If there are seekers here that are not following these recordings, with my hand on my heart, you are all missing the most important and valuable information of your lives. yes really. please start from page 1, all info on how to get them is there from page 3

Warmest regards to all

roman

I have been listening but they are 2 hours at a time and with 143 of them, that is almost 12 days non-stop. Is there a point where we should all stop and discuss? I have not gotten too far, my wife rarely gives me two hours to myself :)

[ROMANWKT]

If there are seekers here that are not following these recordings, with my hand on my heart, you are all missing the most important and valuable information of your lives. yes really. please start from page 1, all info on how to get them is there from page 3

Warmest regards to all

roman

I have been listening but they are 2 hours at a time and with 143 of them, that is almost 12 days non-stop. Is there a point where we should all stop and discuss? I have not gotten too far, my wife rarely gives me two hours to myself :)

Hi Risveglio

Understand where you're coming from, I do 1 per day if I can, I am on number 48, most of the subject that he lectures about I already know, but the depth and understanding of the subject I did not know which opens other doors and connects the dots inside me, the guy is brilliant at the subject of the hidden, he is a great teacher and student all at the same time, there is plenty to discuss, but prefer to finish and then hopefully have the whole picture as to a discussion. Please keep on trying, don't give up, it most defiantly worth the effort.

Warmest regards

roman

[toad]

I disagree. You're taking an old and vastly comeplex philosophical proposition and summing it up in a sentence and saying its wrong. :/

Hi Toad

The actual truth is very simple, now that I am beginning to understand it, the complexity comes from the mind which is the belief in a illusion created by mind, therefore I think therefore I am, lead one to believe that all is mind, because the truth exist with or without your mind, even without you, we are all being pushed into the direction that we are all there is, we are the gods, absolute nonsense, and that's Solipsism. I had made that mistake for a long time and always had thought that there is something missing, things did not quite fit, they do fit know with natural law, and then the excessive use of the left hemispheres and excessive use of right hemispheres bordering into fantasy, creating a life of constant internal conflict and imbalance to the real truth to a constant natural law that binds all of us with or without our knowledge we are still bound by it in this matrix, there are rules here, get to know them, check the recording from the website given on this thread.

Regards to you Toad

roman

Ever heard of the egg theory my friend?

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Toad

No I haven't with what I am talking about, why don't you enlighten us all with your theory.

Regards

roman

[toad]

Hi Toad

No I haven't with what I am talking about, why don't you enlighten us all with your theory.

Regards

roman

Here is a post made some time ago on the very subject:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44796-The-EGG-theory.

[ROMANWKT]

Nice story Toad, enjoyed that, but this is not what we are dealing with here, if one is in the egg stage, others have been interfering for thousands of years so that all of us will never hatch..

warmest regards Toad and thank you

roman

[Justintime]

I look forward to researching the website and listening to the first eight podcasts. It will give me something to ponder as I hit the treadmill. Anyways, being a Philip K Dick and Kurt Vonnegut fan my take on Solipsism may be a little different. Vonnegut and Dick both inserted themselves into their fictional stories, which made me think one day hey, what if God is like an author and we re his characters and like Vonnegut and Dick he writes himself into his stories every now and again. Now, if this were the case, God would be the only NF character in an otherwise fictional story.

However, what if God wrote such a grand story that he became fully immersed into it. God wrote himself into illusion and in doing so made the untrue true. However, the characters in this story would notice something changed as soon as this God character entered. Maybe thy would recognize how shallow and hollow they really were as characters. Maybe these fictional characters would conspire against God, than and try to convince him that he may be an illusion so to speak. If they succeeded in doing this??? Well, if they succeeded there world would be real, but it would be dependent upon maintaining the illusion that God was not real, so to speak.
I know this is not what these podcasts are all about, but I wanted to share my thoughts on the subject.

[risveglio]

I have started to go back and listen to these again without wetiko in control and I like this guy but well, anyway. The announcements do take a while though and most are events in the past so if as you listen you could mark the start of the show, it would save us all a lot of time. I will try to do it as I listen. Definitely helpful for those of us with short attention spans. oh look a spot of light, where is that coming from.

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/

04 - 16:00
05 - 17:30
06 - 12:30, part 2 starts around 01:11:00

[ParakeetMGP]

(Response to: "RMorgon" Link Post #22) I was agreeing with someone (Lost the Person here). I used it in my Username in another place. Because I consider it that we are as slit polarities with certain senses to how we can Perceive Life. (Only We) are Perceiving the Life we Sense with our Senses and can only Interpret them from our own means. Which makes us in this ...(yin and yang) ... about this Life. We need (Confirmations) and (Connections) to and with others having their Perceptions in other means and ways and are shared in order for a puzzle to be better seen. The pieces that we are need to fit together to make the bigger picture. If we allow for this to happen.