Autism and "Rise of the Planet of the Apes"

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I know some people don't believe that vaccines can cause changes in neuronal structure and development, but I do. And for those of you who might enjoy a visual aid, I've found a reference to a similar phenomenon in popular Hollywood entertainment.

http://www.dvd-ppt-slideshow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-the-apes-4.jpg

This week I watched a movie on HBO, a fairly recent one called "Rise of the Planet of the Apes". It was extremely fascinating in that it dealt with an aspect of modern science called "vertical transmission" of viral agents -- something all-too-real and all-too-concerning to many researchers of brain inflammation and non-typical neuronal development.

The premise of the movie was as follows: a powerful genetic research firm is working on a compound that is able to reverse the effects of Alzheimer's disease. They've made a viral agent called ALZ112 (I think that's what is was called in the film) that infects the simian (ape) brain and carries foreign DNA into the cells.

In the film, the viral DNA causes the subjected brain cells to repair themselves and ultimately accomplish what is known as "neurogenesis" -- something that I've studied in the context of marijuana and also vaccines. Neurogenesis is the process by which new nerve and brain cells arise and/or develop new dendritic connections to one another -- the basis of relative thought.

The ultimate result of the research in the film was a breed of "smart apes" who are able to pass the ALZ112 virus on to their offspring, effectively achieving intelligence surpassing that of humans. The original virus was ultimately ineffective when tested on a human subject, as the IMMUNE SYSTEM possesses important differences as compared to that of an ape or monkey. When the virus is changed to become more infectious, the unintended result in the story is brain damage and death in humans rather than acceptance of the virus.

Now, what does all this have to do with autism?

You might recall my earlier thread on the subject of SV-40, a polyomavirus known as "simian virus 40", a native inhabitant of monkeys and apes.

According to Wikipedia, SV40 infection in humans was initiated and reached epic proportion when the POLIO VACCINE was introduced many decades ago. Literally millions of human beings were contaminated unknowingly by this monkey virus -- throughout the entire vaccinated population. It is now known that this virus is vertically transmitted, from mother and father to child.

In 2011, in Rome Italy, scientists had a chance to conduct research on the post-mortem brains of autistic children. Their findings included something shocking: all of the altered brains suffered coincident polyomavirus infection, including SV40.

SV40 is a suspected cancer-causing agent and is known to lead to gliomas in some animals, possibly even humans. Gliomas are pre-cancerous growths in the brain that interrupt and change the entire neuronal landscape.

Now, knowing this, can you honestly say, you believe that "vaccines don't cause autism"?

I will never look at a needle the same way again.
It's amazing the kind of lessons you can learn from movies.
I would recommend watching this one -- if for nothing else, to understand the basic premise of genetic engineering through viral infection, and how a virus transmitted from mother to son could cause the organism to change from a known quantity to something completely unknown.

Michael Crichton said that within our lifetimes, we would have to face the idea of human-animal chimeras, and that we would have to decide whether to treat them with grace and acceptance, or reject them for being different than us.

Over and out,

Tesla!

p.s. gotta wonder about all those billionaires who invest in these experiments we call childhood vaccines. i call them experiments because the FDA refuses to test them for safety...


p.p.s. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15593
SV-40, A Deadly Cure?
http://www.viewzone.com/sv40.html

by Geraldo Fuentes

Editor's Note:

When we first ran Geraldo's first story, SV-40, A Deadly Cure? we thought it was a bit on the conspiratory side, but it seemed well researched. We were pleased that many other journalists also investigated the material, proving the sad truth that Geraldo reported in ViewZone.

Research has now firmly linked many of today's cancers with tainted virus vaccinations given in the early 1950s. Could there be any more shocking and horrific revelations like this? We didn't think so - but we were wrong.

The latest horror story is posted HERE: SV40 Part Two for you to ponder. As you read it, also do not forget the Black Americans that were knowingly infected with Syphilis or the soldiers made to march through the fallout of our nuclear bomb tests...

But first, read Geraldo Fuentes original story. Also, important new information is at the end of this story.

If you received a polio vaccination in the 50's,
you may have gotten more than you know...

Watch this!:Interview with Dr. Maurice Hilleman from Merck Pharmaceuticals on how they introduced SV-40 cancer virus in their vaccines and also how AIDs was introduced to the public from Africa!


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23489-Bill-Gates-And-The-SV40-Cancer-Causing-Virus

Bill Gates And The SV40 Cancer-Causing Virus


The new (GMO-DNA) vaccines contain SV40.

Wikipedia, in an article on DNA vaccination includes this reference to SV40:

"The SV40 promoter was conventionally used until research showed that vectors driven by the Rous Sarcoma Virus (RSV) promoter had much higher expression rates.[2] ... An example of DNA vaccine plasmid is pVAC, it uses SV40 promoter.


The SV40 Cancer Foundation, however, goes into more detail.

"SV40 was the 40th virus found in rhesus monkey kidney cells when these cells were used to make the polio vaccine. This virus contaminated both the Inactivated Polio Vaccine (IPV) created by Dr. Jonas Salk and the Oral or "Live" Polio Vaccine (OPV) created by Dr. Albert Sabin.

"In 1961, SV40 was discovered by Dr. Bernice Eddy of the National Institute of Health, Division of Biologics when she took the material used to grow polio vaccines and injected it into hamsters. Tumors grew in the hamsters. Her discovery was subsequently validated by Drs. Maurice Hilliman and Benjamin Sweet of Merck.


Children being fed sugar cubes with the oral polio vaccine. Circa 1961.

"Upon the discovery that SV40 was an animal carcinogen that had found its way into the polio vaccines, a new federal law was passed in 1961 that required that no vaccines contain this virus. However, this law did not require that SV40 contaminated vaccines be thrown away or that the contaminated seed material (used to make all polio vaccines for the next four decades) be discarded. As a result, known SV40 contaminated vaccines were injected into children up until 1963. In addition, it has been alleged that there have been SV40-contaminated batches of oral polio vaccine administered to some children until the end of the 1990's.

Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital said:

"The chief, if not the sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination."

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

P.S. another weird one to research is "protein losing enteropathy", PLE for short, where the gut and brain are stripped of the vital compound known as "heparan sulfate".

When introduced into the human immune system, it is my understanding that Hepatitis B binds to sites rich in heparan sulfate, and an adverse reaction to this process can lead directly to PLE.

PLE, or "leaky gut" syndrome, is linked very closely to autism symptoms and may even constitute an aspect of the cause. After all, if the brain is inflamed and stripped of protective compounds, and if the gut is inflamed and likewise stripped of protective compounds, what's left to make us human?

We are what we eat, in other words!

AND we are what we INJECT into ourselves (and our children!).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54036-A-Talk-About-Hep-B-Vaccine-and-Allergies-and-Some-Mumbo-Jumbo-for-Doctors-Re-Heparan-Sulfate-

[Flash]

Wow, Tesla, excellent research and conclusions. This is also telling me that you are personnally getting back on your two feet as well.

I am convinced that vaccines and their components, be some viruses or mercury, are damaging the children brains. May be a compounded effect, mercury for example mixed with viruses to make it worst.

I did not know about heparan sulfate, I knew abut leaky guts though, but not its triggering system. Very good post really.

How do you replace the missing heparan sulfate would therefore be my question at this point.

A biochemist Ph.D. that I had hired was telling me to repair the guts with no gluten, no milk protein, full of probiotics of all kinds (not the ones found in commercial yogurts). Hoping that a better intestine would lead to a better brain.

He was telling me that when a child has bad gut flora, as is usually the case in autistic children, it usually follows him all his life, gut flora being transmitted by the parents. And that compounded effects from the parents inability to produce right flora may affect further generations even if the first generation, the parent, seems alright. Same with diabetis studies I have read by the way, it is the third generation and further on that are affected by the famines the first generation had to go through.

He was also telling me that all autistic children had 3 components in the blood missing, all of them without exception, and that those 3 components had to be replaced lifelong, since these components were created from good functioning genes and that mutations or hampering of the genes created the lack of these components.

So, children with autism have to repair the gut flora for one, temporarily take top grade supplements (B1 and 6 and 12 amongst them) to replace the nutrients they have not been getting, and to supplement for the missing elements in their blood and being lifelong. They usually come back from autism when this is done properly.

This guy should write what he knows, he is getting old and may one day go with his knowledge.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Flash, have you heard of a disease called "pyroluria"?

It involves an imbalance in the bloodstream, a build-up of harmful compounds due to an inability to absorb and use key nutrients, such as the B vitamins.

The PhD you were talking to, he might not have heard about pyroluria or even necessarily believe in it,
but this disease very closely matches the description you've given above.


Personally, I believe pyroluria may have a lot to do with "bi-polar, schizophrenia, adhd, and autism" diagnoses.
At best, it seems that we are managing symptoms with existing remedies, and doing little or nothing to address the actual metabolic disaster being experienced by these people (and maybe even some of us!).


Gut flora -- you know, come to think of it, both of my parents had some stomach issues. My dad drank a lot, but still had a sensitive stomach.
My mom was bloated a lot, even when she was thin her waist wasn't tiny. I wonder if she was suffering from an intestinal imbalance, like those autistic kids do.
She had some symptoms of hypothyroidism toward middle age.

But the REAL bad guy, in my opinion, is BABY FORMULA. In my son's case, he was on this GMO corn-based crap for almost a year too long.
For kids with real metabolic trouble or genetic issues, baby formula can actually be deadly to the developing brain.
Why are we suddenly seeing "pre-biotics and probiotics" in everything this year?
Because they are covering their asses for starving our kids last year!

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P.S. Anyone think that PLE (protein losing enteropathy) being possibly affected by Hepatitis B vaccine has anything to do with the AIDS epidemic?
After all, homosexuals were used as guinea pigs by the NIH and others during the Hep B vaccine trials. And that's pretty much when AIDS started getting so bad.
I could be wrong, but... the simplest explanation is usually the correct one!

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What mainstream psychiatry is hiding from you:

p.s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_psychiatry

Orthomolecular psychiatry is the use of orthomolecular medicine for mental illness. The approach uses unorthodox forms of individualized testing and diagnosis to attempt to establish an etiology for each patient's specific symptoms, and claims to tailor the treatment accordingly, using a combination of nutrients, dietary changes and medications that are claimed to enhance quality of life and functionality as well as to reduce or eliminate symptoms and the use of xenobiotic drugs.

Abram Hoffer in the 1950s was the first major practitioner. Hoffer's therapies focused on using niacin, among other nutrients, to treat what he diagnosed as acute schizophrenia based on an unaccepted test. In 1973, a task force of the American Psychiatric Association examined niacin monotherapy of patient populations with chronic schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and rejected the practice along with the reliability of Hoffer's diagnostic approach.[1]

Pyroluria [edit]
Pyroluria (or malvaria from the term mauve factor) involves hypothetical excessive levels of pyrroles in the body resulting from improper hemoglobin synthesis.[13] Carl Pfeiffer believed that pyroluria is a form of schizophrenic porphyria, similar to acute intermittent porphyria where both pyrroles and porphyrins are excreted in the human urine to an excessive degree.[14] and orthomolecular psychiatrists have alleged that pyroluria is related to diagnoses of ADHD, alcoholism, autism, depression, down syndrome, manic-depression, schizophrenia, celiac disease, epilepsy, and psychosis.[15] Pfeiffer's methods have not been rigorously tested,[16] and pyrroles are not considered to be related to schizophrenia. Studies have either failed to detect hemopyrrole and kryptopyrrole in the urine of normal controls and schizophrenics, or found no correlation between these chemicals and mental illness.[17][18][19][20][21][22] Few, if any, medical experts regard the condition as genuine, and few or no articles on pyroluria are found in modern medical literature;[23] the approach is described as "snake oil" by pediatrician and author Julian Haber.[16]

[deridan]

i'll just go with some wacky stuff.
...here's a few processing stuff i might have thought,
autism is the tool the ptb use, to raise their new paradigm. ..well that's foolish

here's more real world. Good 'focus' focusing on how the biological leads to this condition,
here's another focusing rod:
plainly from the psychological and sociological.

parents should release their expectations. I dealt with an autistic kid once. his mother was wrecked by having her kid out of the status queue.
..why could her kid not be more normal, do the other nice things which other kids did,,, it wrecked her.(& i got a nice curse in return for acting in confounding ways to her expectation), especially since she had a public profile.

if one has these problems, ..the biologic is a good thing to fix, ...but look into socionic and interactive models to, from parent right through to kid.
{this forum is not the place for it, but one of the 16-archtype personalities comes pretty close to autistic spectrum. Though Autism as a true biological, dare I say shortfall, condemns others from the 16 archtypes to the mold}

then again, people nowadays don't know how to parent. Cities, and spacing is also a problem

Greetings (-what i liked about the movie is that the caged instead of having to contend with more caging and decline, released the 'virus', so-that those who would have no more thought of them, needed them themselves to see day next)

[Flash]

i don't quite understand you train of thought Deridan, it seems that you jump from bilogical to social to psychological factor as the cause or the consequence? I do not know. As well, one experience with one autistic who's mother was desperate (it is usually not because they are public figure, it is because they know what nightmare they will be living as adults in this thankless society) does not explain autism and the difficulties encountered..

There is also wide differences in between different types of autism and in between different children.

Can you give more info on the socionic and interactive models??

Thanks

It is neat to be in the solution mode Tesla, i will check into what you write no doubts.

PS: as a psychologist once told me, when there is something wrong with a child, the parent is blamed by others and blaming himself too.
When everything goes fine with one's child, the parent takes the credit as being a good parent and knowing how to do parenting and blames the others with problematic children for being bad at parenting.

If you did not live the personal tragedies of children with difficulties, be it cancer, car accident or autism, you cannot truly understand, sorry. No more than a men will ever be able to understand what it is to give birth. What remains in these case is true compassion, but few are able of it.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Here are a few other things that can accompany autism and are definitely not caused by the parents:

~difficult birth
~difficulty breast or bottle feeding
~inability of infant to make eye contact
~frequent head shaking/blinking
~food allergy (how can a parent cause that?)
~hypersensitivity to touch/texture/temperature/noise/etc.
~lethargy/hyperactivity
~irritable bowels
~stunted or accelerated growth, i.e. adrenal damage
~unusual activities such as rocking, self-harm i.e. hitting the wall
~fascination with textures and/or smells that others might find unpleasant
~fascination with moving objects such as wheels or a spinning coin
~inability to understand complicated speech
~requires visual aid in order to understand a timed event
~tendency to escape/run away from safety of home or yard in order to seek new sensory input
~inability to constructively process the presence/activities of more than a few people at once
~difficulty recognizing faces
~tendency to ignore stressful stimuli or overreact to stressful stimuli

I could go on and on forever, but I think the above list is pretty good in terms of what you see when you're dealing with autism and related illnesses.


Autism isn't just about being "different". It's about being DISABLED for life.

[judymoon]

Here are a few other things that can accompany autism and are definitely not caused by the parents:

~difficult birth
~difficulty breast or bottle feeding
~inability of infant to make eye contact
~frequent head shaking/blinking
~food allergy (how can a parent cause that?)
~hypersensitivity to touch/texture/temperature/noise/etc.
~lethargy/hyperactivity
~irritable bowels
~stunted or accelerated growth, i.e. adrenal damage
~unusual activities such as rocking, self-harm i.e. hitting the wall
~fascination with textures and/or smells that others might find unpleasant
~fascination with moving objects such as wheels or a spinning coin
~inability to understand complicated speech
~requires visual aid in order to understand a timed event
~tendency to escape/run away from safety of home or yard in order to seek new sensory input
~inability to constructively process the presence/activities of more than a few people at once
~difficulty recognizing faces
~tendency to ignore stressful stimuli or overreact to stressful stimuli

I could go on and on forever, but I think the above list is pretty good in terms of what you see when you're dealing with autism and related illnesses.


Autism isn't just about being "different". It's about being DISABLED for life.

Something is causing the tremendous rise in cases of autisim, and it certainly isn't parenting skills.

Tesla - everytime I read one of your threads my heart goes out to you. You have some major challenges on your plate and it hasn't managed to take you down.

May a miracle happen for you and your son.

I would have gone under, if I had to carry your load.

[The Truth Is In There]

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Literally millions of human beings were contaminated unknowingly by this monkey virus -- throughout the entire vaccinated population.

scratch that. nothing happens "unknowingly". it was done on purpose, of that i have no doubt.

on a side-note, i realize my opinion about eugenics is controversial and not shared by most people on the forum but imagine more and more children being born or turned into disabled people, who then may procreate and have disabled children of their own... the end result will be human extinction, but meanwhile, from a soul's perspective, you come to earth to experience physicality and what you get is a life full of misery and suffering (feeding extradimensional parasites) because all bodies you can choose to incarnate into are damaged in some way.

the pseudo-moralistic outcry against eugenics is part of the zionist/reptilian agenda, the "love & light" "we're so ethical it hurts" part.

people never see it this way if i talk with anyone about eugenics. all they see is the killing of human beings but not the lifelong suffering the souls have to experience because they're imprisoned in their bodies (feeding extradimensional parasites), against all natural processes which among animals would lead to the quick death of a disabled body by a predator, thus keeping the species strong and healthy, unlike humanity which is getting sicker and sicker.

what has to be done is getting rid of those who secretly poison and kill us, and then freeing those souls that are trapped in bodies that allow for almost nothing but suffering...which creates more suffering around them because like attracts like.

[deridan]

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..thank-you, I often don't get responders, ,,, ,don't take it personally: men may not give birth, but the child normally carries the family name (i have nothing to do with such men who lack this Victorian like element to their personal culture)
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..of my experience: I was doing EFL for these tots, ..i'm a naturally introverted person, and the said tot attached abit to me, as he may have sensed I shared some of his percularisisms. The most positive output for him, is that he started having these talking bouts,, though mother was happy she was a bit concerned that she could not understand much of what he said, probably cause he was mixing systems. Mostly he taught himself, ..abundant in visuals on his own whim (..his one outlet, as rightly they tried to keep him from becoming too self-involved through playing video-games,,, so his 'gaming field' became 'communication',..he may be last at times, but in his own time he'll shoot far ahead of his peers..{some would have the right to judge extraordinary talent}....also, in socio models, other children can be mean, they act in groups, but when he had enough, it was their turn,, poor boy did not respond well to what he thought as betrayal from at other times kinder peers)
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modifying some behaviours is like stepping into a mine field. One has to respond afterall,, too-much, as in a parent becoming overly disciplinarian or strict or angry, ..then you may develop complexes (& that is already to hard to elaborate on),..suggested would be a "slow-phasing" of a modifying behaviour. the kid may have to sleep on it several nights to get used to it, than only a -absolute reactive degree- can be introduced.
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of the interactive models. I'm a novice but I have my instincts.
You ('as a normal person') may react better to some people than others. Those who drew up the 16-personality archetypes from Jungian 'personality' preference processing, saw that its not merely as we perceive, i.e. i'm always an insider, that person is always an outsider, occupying one position in the archetypes means that the relative relations between us and others shifts {{sorry language is weak to say what I perceive,, you may better understand it from the following visual idea: http://socionics.us/relations.shtml}}

see (look at link first), you as a parent would be able to find out your Type, but for an autistic kid you could only make an assumption, hopefully you aren't in the position of supervisor + to your kid (as once assumed for a professor i was under), or another negative feedback relationship. {{the language on page is not tailored to what you want, but I'm sure you get the idea}}. You may then carefullly8 shift your [lets cross to new age now, ,,though i;ve always assumed energy healings] your outgoing vibrations, and whereever the kid is hidden in there conscious, they may peek out, their machinery will just respond
8 NOT CARELESSLY, your constance is still needed [and no doubt carefully recorded just like zebra young to their parents]
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oh of this personal case I've known of, the father was one of those mathematical analytically types, the boys sib was a normal kid, though falling in the MTBI category of -S-J, so I assumed good things for the kid longterm, though writing was at that stage already something he'd never practised into the correct system, and badly something he'd grown a strong aversion to, as teachers may push the slower unnecassarily just to have everyone on par. So much care is needed when placing the basics into these brilliant minds

[Flash]

The Truth, in that case, you would have killed

Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Drew Carray, Jim Carrey, Winston Churchill, Dan Aykroyd, Mozart, Van Gogh, Isaac Newton, Charles Dickens, Agatha Christie, Napoleon Bonaparte, Alfred Nobel, Leonardo Da Vinci, Edgar Allen Poe, Aristotle, THeodore Roosevelt, Lewis Carrol, Richard Burton, Handel, Pythagoras, Tchaicovski, Martin Luther, Socrates, Michael Jackson, Howard Hughes, Stephen Hawkins, Mao Zedong, John Nash, Bob Mosley, those all had some mental impediments from mood disorders to epilepsia, to schizophrenia, and the list goes on and on and on.

Now some with asperger, a form of autism:
Adam Young, multi-instrumentalist, producer and the founder of the electronic project Owl City.
Adrian Lamo, American computer hacker
Carl Soderholm, speaker in neuropsychiatric disorders
Clay Marzo, American professional surfer
Craig Nicholls, frontman of the Australian garage rock band, The Vines
Dan Aykroyd, comedian and actor: Aykroyd stated he has Asperger's, but some feel he was joking.
Daniel Tammet, British autistic savant, believed to have Asperger Syndrome
Daryl Hannah, actress
Dawn Prince-Hughes, PhD, primate anthropologist, ethologist, and author of Songs for the Gorilla Nation
Gary Numan, British singer and songwriter
Heather Kuzmich, fashion model and reality show contestant on America's Next Top Model
James Durbin, finalist on the tenth season of American Idol
Jerry Newport, American author and mathematical savant, basis of the film Mozart and the Whale
John Elder Robison, author of Look Me in the Eye
Judy Singer, Australian disability rights activist
Liane Holliday Willey, author of Pretending to be Normal, Asperger Syndrome in the Family; Asperger syndrome advocate; education professor; and adult diagnosed with Asperger syndrome at age 35
Lizzy Clark, actress and campaigner
Luke Jackson, author
Michael Burry, US investment fund manager
Nicky Reilly, failed suicide bomber from Britain
Paddy Considine, actor
Peter Howson, Scottish painter
Phillipa "Pip" Brown (aka Ladyhawke), indie rock musician
Raymond Thompson, New Zealand scriptwriter and TV producer
Richard Borcherds, mathematician specializing in group theory and Lie algebras
Robert Durst, American real estate developer accused of murder
Robert Napper, British murderer
Satoshi Tajiri, creator and designer of Pokemon
Tim Ellis, Australian magician and author
Tim Page, Pulitzer Prize-winning critic and author
Travis Meeks, lead singer, guitarist and song writer for acoustic rock band Days of the New.
Vernon L. Smith, Nobel Laureate in Economics
William Cottrell, student who was sentenced to eight years in jail for fire-bombing SUV dealerships

Now, those with speech impediments: Bruce Willis, Tiger Woods, Julia Roberts, Robert Merill, Anthony Quins, Jimmy Stewart, Eric Roberts, Samuel L Jackson, ARistotle, Churchill, Darwin, Newton, Roosevelt, Jefferson, Demosthene, few kings, Prince Albert of Monaco, and the list goes on and on.

Dyslexia: Agatha Christie, Einstein (he was quite attacked, compulsive, dyslexia, add, etc), Alexander Graham Bell, Da Vinci, Cher, Magic Jonhson, Tom Cruise, Whoopi Goldberg, Walt Dysney, Woodrow Wilson, George Patton, Harry Bellafonte, Richard Branson (whose mother was schizophrenic by the way), Jay Leno, and it goes on and on and on.

So tell me, when you kill, where do you start and where do you stop?

As you can see, when given a chance, lots of impediments can be overcome (not cured necessarily, but overcome). You have to be given the chance though. Most of the actual medicine knows how to cure or help to overcome, and most know how detrimental the actual poisoning of human is. This is where one should start.

Compassion, empathy and true genuine love. Not difficult to give instead of killing. And I am not talking of the race here, the race is being poisoned and the empathy cerebral parts being destroyed, we will end up with very few real human. Those doing this have never been considered for eugenics, they are the one pushing it on others when they should get some of it, we call that in psychology projection/transfer. What one is or does is put on others back.

[Flash]

Wow, this socionic stuff is really interesting. It is always very nice to know what has been done in other parts of the world, my culture is much too American dominated. Here the site: http://socionics.us/relations

behavior modification has to be slowly introduced but need constant, always the same repetitions, no going away for it (for example, eating ice cream when usually we do not at this time). The strict approach can be relaxed when the behaviors are well established.

One thing that is often forgotten is that, before beginning anything, the child has to have trust in you. And you have to love him, it will transpire in every thing you do and the child will feel it. Also, those with the kid, if they love the kid, will adapt their expectations to reality, for example, 5% improvement is acceptable (while 50% would be wanted for other children), all this with love and patience and help.

Food and all chemical have to be taken into account with most disease that have a mental component, even schizophrenia is relieved with proper food intake and enviornmental chemical check out as well as environmental stressers.

The problem often comes from the lack of support to the parents and the lack of understanding of the problematic from most people. Judgment is really prevalent when dealing with chlidren difficulties. Everybody knows what should be better than the parent, it is how it is felt. Only those working in the field for a long while seem to understand sometimes.

I am still on the eugenics track: what if these children were here to process some karma of their own for one, and to make us process some karma (learning situation) of our own too? What if we have to learn to love, or to teach, or to accept, or ........ with them.




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..thank-you, I often don't get responders, ,,, ,don't take it personally: men may not give birth, but the child normally carries the family name (i have nothing to do with such men who lack this Victorian like element to their personal culture)
...
..of my experience: I was doing EFL for these tots, ..i'm a naturally introverted person, and the said tot attached abit to me, as he may have sensed I shared some of his percularisisms. The most positive output for him, is that he started having these talking bouts,, though mother was happy she was a bit concerned that she could not understand much of what he said, probably cause he was mixing systems. Mostly he taught himself, ..abundant in visuals on his own whim (..his one outlet, as rightly they tried to keep him from becoming too self-involved through playing video-games,,, so his 'gaming field' became 'communication',..he may be last at times, but in his own time he'll shoot far ahead of his peers..{some would have the right to judge extraordinary talent}....also, in socio models, other children can be mean, they act in groups, but when he had enough, it was their turn,, poor boy did not respond well to what he thought as betrayal from at other times kinder peers)
..
..
modifying some behaviours is like stepping into a mine field. One has to respond afterall,, too-much, as in a parent becoming overly disciplinarian or strict or angry, ..then you may develop complexes (& that is already to hard to elaborate on),..suggested would be a "slow-phasing" of a modifying behaviour. the kid may have to sleep on it several nights to get used to it, than only a -absolute reactive degree- can be introduced.
...
of the interactive models. I'm a novice but I have my instincts.
You ('as a normal person') may react better to some people than others. Those who drew up the 16-personality archetypes from Jungian 'personality' preference processing, saw that its not merely as we perceive, i.e. i'm always an insider, that person is always an outsider, occupying one position in the archetypes means that the relative relations between us and others shifts {{sorry language is weak to say what I perceive,, you may better understand it from the following visual idea: http://socionics.us/relations.shtml}}

see (look at link first), you as a parent would be able to find out your Type, but for an autistic kid you could only make an assumption, hopefully you aren't in the position of supervisor + to your kid (as once assumed for a professor i was under), or another negative feedback relationship. {{the language on page is not tailored to what you want, but I'm sure you get the idea}}. You may then carefullly8 shift your [lets cross to new age now, ,,though i;ve always assumed energy healings] your outgoing vibrations, and whereever the kid is hidden in there conscious, they may peek out, their machinery will just respond
8 NOT CARELESSLY, your constance is still needed [and no doubt carefully recorded just like zebra young to their parents]
..
oh of this personal case I've known of, the father was one of those mathematical analytically types, the boys sib was a normal kid, though falling in the MTBI category of -S-J, so I assumed good things for the kid longterm, though writing was at that stage already something he'd never practised into the correct system, and badly something he'd grown a strong aversion to, as teachers may push the slower unnecassarily just to have everyone on par. So much care is needed when placing the basics into these brilliant minds

[deridan]

...may I also recommend doing astrological profiling of such kids.
..for instance, my own splutterings took me through abit of psychology and biology, and years later when I got into astrology, I saw gee-whiz, how why, ..those interests were indicated in my astrological profiles.
It would as such help to profile a kid, so-that you may know which knowledge domains would stimulate that kid. It gives them wings to soar

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I actually do put some belief into astrological profiles!
Apparently Carl Jung did, and noticed a lot of correlation between what was expected and what was real.

In regards to people with disabilities: I wish they came with instruction manuals so that we could make their lives less miserable.
If I had come into motherhood knowing from the beginning that my son would be so different,
things that have happened may never have happened.
He might still be with me.

p.s. My son was born on a New Year's day, 01/01! Very special little hero! imo!

[The Truth Is In There]

The Truth, in that case, you would have killed

Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Drew Carray, Jim Carrey, Winston Churchill, Dan Aykroyd, Mozart, Van Gogh, Isaac Newton, Charles Dickens, Agatha Christie, Napoleon Bonaparte, Alfred Nobel, Leonardo Da Vinci, Edgar Allen Poe, Aristotle, THeodore Roosevelt, Lewis Carrol, Richard Burton, Handel, Pythagoras, Tchaicovski, Martin Luther, Socrates, Michael Jackson, Howard Hughes, Stephen Hawkins, Mao Zedong, John Nash, Bob Mosley, those all had some mental impediments from mood disorders to epilepsia, to schizophrenia, and the list goes on and on and on.

Now some with asperger, a form of autism:
Adam Young, multi-instrumentalist, producer and the founder of the electronic project Owl City.
Adrian Lamo, American computer hacker
Carl Soderholm, speaker in neuropsychiatric disorders
Clay Marzo, American professional surfer
Craig Nicholls, frontman of the Australian garage rock band, The Vines
Dan Aykroyd, comedian and actor: Aykroyd stated he has Asperger's, but some feel he was joking.
Daniel Tammet, British autistic savant, believed to have Asperger Syndrome
Daryl Hannah, actress
Dawn Prince-Hughes, PhD, primate anthropologist, ethologist, and author of Songs for the Gorilla Nation
Gary Numan, British singer and songwriter
Heather Kuzmich, fashion model and reality show contestant on America's Next Top Model
James Durbin, finalist on the tenth season of American Idol
Jerry Newport, American author and mathematical savant, basis of the film Mozart and the Whale
John Elder Robison, author of Look Me in the Eye
Judy Singer, Australian disability rights activist
Liane Holliday Willey, author of Pretending to be Normal, Asperger Syndrome in the Family; Asperger syndrome advocate; education professor; and adult diagnosed with Asperger syndrome at age 35
Lizzy Clark, actress and campaigner
Luke Jackson, author
Michael Burry, US investment fund manager
Nicky Reilly, failed suicide bomber from Britain
Paddy Considine, actor
Peter Howson, Scottish painter
Phillipa "Pip" Brown (aka Ladyhawke), indie rock musician
Raymond Thompson, New Zealand scriptwriter and TV producer
Richard Borcherds, mathematician specializing in group theory and Lie algebras
Robert Durst, American real estate developer accused of murder
Robert Napper, British murderer
Satoshi Tajiri, creator and designer of Pokemon
Tim Ellis, Australian magician and author
Tim Page, Pulitzer Prize-winning critic and author
Travis Meeks, lead singer, guitarist and song writer for acoustic rock band Days of the New.
Vernon L. Smith, Nobel Laureate in Economics
William Cottrell, student who was sentenced to eight years in jail for fire-bombing SUV dealerships

Now, those with speech impediments: Bruce Willis, Tiger Woods, Julia Roberts, Robert Merill, Anthony Quins, Jimmy Stewart, Eric Roberts, Samuel L Jackson, ARistotle, Churchill, Darwin, Newton, Roosevelt, Jefferson, Demosthene, few kings, Prince Albert of Monaco, and the list goes on and on.

Dyslexia: Agatha Christie, Einstein (he was quite attacked, compulsive, dyslexia, add, etc), Alexander Graham Bell, Da Vinci, Cher, Magic Jonhson, Tom Cruise, Whoopi Goldberg, Walt Dysney, Woodrow Wilson, George Patton, Harry Bellafonte, Richard Branson (whose mother was schizophrenic by the way), Jay Leno, and it goes on and on and on.

So tell me, when you kill, where do you start and where do you stop?

As you can see, when given a chance, lots of impediments can be overcome (not cured necessarily, but overcome). You have to be given the chance though. Most of the actual medicine knows how to cure or help to overcome, and most know how detrimental the actual poisoning of human is. This is where one should start.

Compassion, empathy and true genuine love. Not difficult to give instead of killing. And I am not talking of the race here, the race is being poisoned and the empathy cerebral parts being destroyed, we will end up with very few real human. Those doing this have never been considered for eugenics, they are the one pushing it on others when they should get some of it, we call that in psychology projection/transfer. What one is or does is put on others back.

see, people like you don't event want to understand what i'm talking about. they're making assumptions based on things i didn't say.

i'm not talking about killing people but about freeing souls from imprisonment in defective bodies.

i'm talking about freeing those souls that are incapable of living and providing for themselves in their damaged bodies. that does not include people with minor problems and those made-up diseases of today that are mostly due to the deliberate poisoning of humans through various means. eliminate the poison and you eliminate the "disease".

besides, human bodies are merely containers. the souls who are able to contribute positively to human development would be able to do much more good if given healthy bodies to incarnate into, as opposed to defective ones they may currently inhabit.

keeping souls imprisoned in defective bodies does more harm to the soul through pain, trauma etc. than freeing them so they can reincarnate again in healthy ones.

whenever i don't know what would be the "right" thing to do i ask myself what would mother nature do. the answer where defective bodies are concerned is very obvious. eugenics is the natural thing. what's running today is an unnatural anti-life program with a sugar-coating, but that's part of the agenda to destroy humanity.

some may say...well, what if these souls want to incarnate into defective bodies to experience lifelong pain, trauma, suffering and misery?

the answer to that is - if the universe is "positive" and based on "love", as so many new agers claim, who would want to experience this or want anybody else to experience it?

as i mentioned before - like attracts like, that is a universal law, so if you don't eliminate but instead amplify suffering by allowing for more and more suffering souls in defective bodies...who create even more suffering for those around them you're in a downward spiral of either eternally increasing suffering or, if you're lucky, total annihilation.

a different example - if you buy a tv and it's broken or shows only one channel, don't you return it to get a fully functioning one? or do you keep it and watch the dark screen or the one channel because the discomfort this creates helps you as a soul to grow more than a fully functioning tv would?

[Flash]

The Truth, in that case, you would have killed

Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Drew Carray, Jim Carrey, Winston Churchill, Dan Aykroyd, Mozart, Van Gogh, Isaac Newton, Charles Dickens, Agatha Christie, Napoleon Bonaparte, Alfred Nobel, Leonardo Da Vinci, Edgar Allen Poe, Aristotle, THeodore Roosevelt, Lewis Carrol, Richard Burton, Handel, Pythagoras, Tchaicovski, Martin Luther, Socrates, Michael Jackson, Howard Hughes, Stephen Hawkins, Mao Zedong, John Nash, Bob Mosley, those all had some mental impediments from mood disorders to epilepsia, to schizophrenia, and the list goes on and on and on.

Now some with asperger, a form of autism:
Adam Young, multi-instrumentalist, producer and the founder of the electronic project Owl City.
Adrian Lamo, American computer hacker
Carl Soderholm, speaker in neuropsychiatric disorders
Clay Marzo, American professional surfer
Craig Nicholls, frontman of the Australian garage rock band, The Vines
Dan Aykroyd, comedian and actor: Aykroyd stated he has Asperger's, but some feel he was joking.
Daniel Tammet, British autistic savant, believed to have Asperger Syndrome
Daryl Hannah, actress
Dawn Prince-Hughes, PhD, primate anthropologist, ethologist, and author of Songs for the Gorilla Nation
Gary Numan, British singer and songwriter
Heather Kuzmich, fashion model and reality show contestant on America's Next Top Model
James Durbin, finalist on the tenth season of American Idol
Jerry Newport, American author and mathematical savant, basis of the film Mozart and the Whale
John Elder Robison, author of Look Me in the Eye
Judy Singer, Australian disability rights activist
Liane Holliday Willey, author of Pretending to be Normal, Asperger Syndrome in the Family; Asperger syndrome advocate; education professor; and adult diagnosed with Asperger syndrome at age 35
Lizzy Clark, actress and campaigner
Luke Jackson, author
Michael Burry, US investment fund manager
Nicky Reilly, failed suicide bomber from Britain
Paddy Considine, actor
Peter Howson, Scottish painter
Phillipa "Pip" Brown (aka Ladyhawke), indie rock musician
Raymond Thompson, New Zealand scriptwriter and TV producer
Richard Borcherds, mathematician specializing in group theory and Lie algebras
Robert Durst, American real estate developer accused of murder
Robert Napper, British murderer
Satoshi Tajiri, creator and designer of Pokemon
Tim Ellis, Australian magician and author
Tim Page, Pulitzer Prize-winning critic and author
Travis Meeks, lead singer, guitarist and song writer for acoustic rock band Days of the New.
Vernon L. Smith, Nobel Laureate in Economics
William Cottrell, student who was sentenced to eight years in jail for fire-bombing SUV dealerships

Now, those with speech impediments: Bruce Willis, Tiger Woods, Julia Roberts, Robert Merill, Anthony Quins, Jimmy Stewart, Eric Roberts, Samuel L Jackson, ARistotle, Churchill, Darwin, Newton, Roosevelt, Jefferson, Demosthene, few kings, Prince Albert of Monaco, and the list goes on and on.

Dyslexia: Agatha Christie, Einstein (he was quite attacked, compulsive, dyslexia, add, etc), Alexander Graham Bell, Da Vinci, Cher, Magic Jonhson, Tom Cruise, Whoopi Goldberg, Walt Dysney, Woodrow Wilson, George Patton, Harry Bellafonte, Richard Branson (whose mother was schizophrenic by the way), Jay Leno, and it goes on and on and on.

So tell me, when you kill, where do you start and where do you stop?

As you can see, when given a chance, lots of impediments can be overcome (not cured necessarily, but overcome). You have to be given the chance though. Most of the actual medicine knows how to cure or help to overcome, and most know how detrimental the actual poisoning of human is. This is where one should start.

Compassion, empathy and true genuine love. Not difficult to give instead of killing. And I am not talking of the race here, the race is being poisoned and the empathy cerebral parts being destroyed, we will end up with very few real human. Those doing this have never been considered for eugenics, they are the one pushing it on others when they should get some of it, we call that in psychology projection/transfer. What one is or does is put on others back.

see, people like you don't event want to understand what i'm talking about. they're making assumptions based on things i didn't say.

i'm not talking about killing people but about freeing souls from imprisonment in defective bodies.

i'm talking about freeing those souls that are incapable of living and providing for themselves in their damaged bodies. that does not include people with minor problems and those made-up diseases of today that are mostly due to the deliberate poisoning of humans through various means. eliminate the poison and you eliminate the "disease".

besides, human bodies are merely containers. the souls who are able to contribute positively to human development would be able to do much more good if given healthy bodies to incarnate into, as opposed to defective ones they may currently inhabit.

keeping souls imprisoned in defective bodies does more harm to the soul through pain, trauma etc. than freeing them so they can reincarnate again in healthy ones.

whenever i don't know what would be the "right" thing to do i ask myself what would mother nature do. the answer where defective bodies are concerned is very obvious. eugenics is the natural thing. what's running today is an unnatural anti-life program with a sugar-coating, but that's part of the agenda to destroy humanity.

some may say...well, what if these souls want to incarnate into defective bodies to experience lifelong pain, trauma, suffering and misery?

the answer to that is - if the universe is "positive" and based on "love", as so many new agers claim, who would want to experience this or want anybody else to experience it?

as i mentioned before - like attracts like, that is a universal law, so if you don't eliminate but instead amplify suffering by allowing for more and more suffering souls in defective bodies...who create even more suffering for those around them you're in a downward spiral of either eternally increasing suffering or, if you're lucky, total annihilation.

a different example - if you buy a tv and it's broken or shows only one channel, don't you return it to get a fully functioning one? or do you keep it and watch the dark screen or the one channel because the discomfort this creates helps you as a soul to grow more than a fully functioning tv would?


see, people like you don't event want to understand what i'm talking about. I understand very well, I also saw that you do not mentioned killing. So, how do you free the souls in question, from their twisted bodies? This kind of eugenism has been mentioned, used and abused since the last world war.


Freeing souls from imprisonment in defective bodies: please, give me a break.

Who are you to decide or judge that the soul has to be freed from a body? How do you know if that same soul has not chosen that precise body in order to accomplish its soul's mission or solve some karma or yet have soul learning for a better or faster evolution ? Have you also forgotten, or ever known, that the helpers may have had a soul contract to help as well, that it may overall be beneficial for them as well?

It is people like you who do not understand the necessities of spiritual evolution, in my view.


the souls who are able to contribute positively to human development would be able to do much more good if given healthy bodies to incarnate into, as opposed to defective ones they may currently inhabit.

How do you know this? Which kind of outstanding evolution and awakening have you been through to affirm this? Tell me, how do you weight a soul contribution?


like attracts like, that is a universal law, so if you don't eliminate but instead amplify suffering by allowing for more and more suffering souls in defective bodies...who create even more suffering for those around them you're in a downward spiral of either eternally increasing suffering or, if you're lucky, total annihilation.

This is incredible. I have seen in my life more people growing and getting much much better through pain than through any other mean. I am sorry to say, but it seems that human beings still need pain in order to grow, evolve, develop more empathy and finally learn to love and live.

We can measure the evolution of a race or a specie based on the way they take care of their most fragile ones.

You are showing us precisely where our specie stands at the present times by those comments.

And then you compare the situation about people having crippling handicaps with a broken tv set. Oh please, go to take courses for the better development of your right brain hemisphere, at the minimum.

I am very rarely insulting people on this forum. But I truly think you need a knock on the head. No wonder you think this is a doomed planet (your avatar). The kind of thinking you show off here is the measure of it.

[The Truth Is In There]

We can measure the evolution of a race or a specie based on the way they take care of their most fragile ones.

i don't quote your entire post here, just this tiny piece but please explain to me these things:

- why are bodies in which souls are incapable of providing for themselves due to certain defects eliminated in nature?

this happens in all species except humans. animals do it instinctively - letting defective offspring die or be eaten (examples - birds who can't fly, fish who are not strong enough to swim certain distances, land animals who are not fast enough to outrun predators, etc.)

- what do you think happens if people with genetic defects are allowed to procreate and these defects are inherited by their offspring? will that improve the species?

- how long do you think will it take for humanity to become extinct by going against nature and allowing their defective specimens to live, procreate and multiply due to a screwed sense or ethics?

- do you believe that humans stand above nature and should do things that go against nature and basic laws of creation, such as "the strong ones live and the weak ones die, otherwise the species perishes"? don't you think nature's laws will triumph over human laws in the end?

- would you like to have a mentally disabled child instead of a healthy one in order to grow more spiritually?

[Flash]

The truth, you are much too engrained in your way of thinking for me to answer to these questions.


this happens in all species except humans. animals do it instinctively But, that is precisely what I am talking about, you named it here above.

Now, Stephen Hawkins who is still alive despite his sickness has brought much more to science than most, who are you to tell him his soul could not succeed its mission in his body? He seems to succeed quite well, maybe it would not have without this crippled body, have you though of this? Or Einstien would not have succeeded in making physics jumps to higher levels without ADD and what looks very much like dysphasia (which is quite crippling in communication unless steadily worked on), maybe he could not have been in contact with the stars. Have you thought of this?

Who are you to bring us back to the animals kingdom, maybe we are done with this side of development and we are going elsewhere.

May be our journey is precisely to learn how to build bodies from the mind and soul and by doing so, the most advance make the biggest mistake and are therefore learning. Who are we to judge the human plan?

[T Smith]

P.S. another weird one to research is "protein losing enteropathy", PLE for short, where the gut and brain are stripped of the vital compound known as "heparan sulfate".

When introduced into the human immune system, it is my understanding that Hepatitis B binds to sites rich in heparan sulfate, and an adverse reaction to this process can lead directly to PLE.

PLE, or "leaky gut" syndrome, is linked very closely to autism symptoms and may even constitute an aspect of the cause. After all, if the brain is inflamed and stripped of protective compounds, and if the gut is inflamed and likewise stripped of protective compounds, what's left to make us human?

We are what we eat, in other words!

AND we are what we INJECT into ourselves (and our children!).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54036-A-Talk-About-Hep-B-Vaccine-and-Allergies-and-Some-Mumbo-Jumbo-for-Doctors-Re-Heparan-Sulfate-

In the prophetic words of Bertrand Russell... "Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . .”

Great post Tesla... I assume you've read Dr. Mary's Monkey by Edward Haslam? If not, highly suggested reading, and an exclamation to the outstanding research you've done...

[T Smith]

Yes, Flash. Per my understanding, your biochemist friend is exactly right. Echoed by research (and success stories) here:

http://www.holisticapproach4autism.com

[T Smith]

i'll just go with some wacky stuff.
...here's a few processing stuff i might have thought,
autism is the tool the ptb use, to raise their new paradigm. ..well that's foolish



This isn't really so wacky. I wouldn't go so far to say autism, specifically, was created as a "tool", but the result of autism, among many, many other ailments and debilitating diseases, is certainly an intended consequence. Many people have a hard time grasping this sort of concept because it seems absurd to suggest a handful of people--or even the much more abstract and nebulous "PTB"--are sitting around a table somewhere (as in a "Dr. Evil"-type scene, to employ an Austin Powers reference) plotting the deliberate dumbing down of the masses, be it physiologically or psychologically, or both, such that we slaves won't understand or question our servitude to the elite. But this is exactly the reality on our planet today. Except it is not a conspiracy hatched around a table, per se. It is a much more complex dynamic that spans hundreds of years (which actually suggests a non-human intelligence underlying the "conspiracy", for lack of a better word) in which every single person participates and advances the agenda some way, almost always unwittingly, via indoctrination, conditioning, mind control, and ironically, as a result their own "diet" and "injections", among other things, that impair critical thinking. To render this to the simplest of terms, many well-intended and caring people who want nothing more than to serve humanity for positive change, including doctors, educators--even politicians--are employed by this agenda as pawns and "useful idiots". (I don't mean to disparage those who know not what they do by calling them idiots, only to point out a term coined by the power brokers themselves). They are not consciously in on the conspiracy, but they play a vital role. This dynamic is well documented in virtually every discipline that is complicit in the dumbing down of humanity, both physiologically and psychologically. The big institutional culprits are the public education system (the program) and the practice of allopathic medicine (a continuum that ranges from bloodletting to chemotherapy). But virtually every institution that shapes human behavior is infected with this agenda.

[T Smith]

...
Literally millions of human beings were contaminated unknowingly by this monkey virus -- throughout the entire vaccinated population.

scratch that. nothing happens "unknowingly". it was done on purpose, of that i have no doubt.

on a side-note, i realize my opinion about eugenics is controversial and not shared by most people on the forum but imagine more and more children being born or turned into disabled people, who then may procreate and have disabled children of their own... the end result will be human extinction, but meanwhile, from a soul's perspective, you come to earth to experience physicality and what you get is a life full of misery and suffering (feeding extradimensional parasites) because all bodies you can choose to incarnate into are damaged in some way.

the pseudo-moralistic outcry against eugenics is part of the zionist/reptilian agenda, the "love & light" "we're so ethical it hurts" part.

people never see it this way if i talk with anyone about eugenics. all they see is the killing of human beings but not the lifelong suffering the souls have to experience because they're imprisoned in their bodies (feeding extradimensional parasites), against all natural processes which among animals would lead to the quick death of a disabled body by a predator, thus keeping the species strong and healthy, unlike humanity which is getting sicker and sicker.

what has to be done is getting rid of those who secretly poison and kill us, and then freeing those souls that are trapped in bodies that allow for almost nothing but suffering...which creates more suffering around them because like attracts like.

This is a very insightful observation. I would point out, if it might be any use to your perspective, that a firefighter enters a burning building for a specific reason... The incarnation of many of us who are suffering this eugenics onslaught you correctly observe might well be analogous.

[Flash]

Thanks T Smith for your website reference (excellent) and your much tame answers to Truth, I just hope he will see the analogy clearly, which I have been trying to confer in a much more direct way.

And for Truth, if having a child with disabilities means higher and faster spiritual development and#or a crucial way to help humanity, yes, then I accept to go through it.

Finally, sadly, many of these children are tested by the hidden governments or MKUltra or Army for their particular abilities because some of them show very particular abilities used by PTB for nefarious objectives, of course without the consent of the child becoming adult. So yes, I do think that in some of the cases, Autism is created purposefully amongst a population with the aim of creating special abilities as much as possible. Just think of the savant autistic. Some are more crippled and cannot be used, but some can.

[Carmody]

Memory-boosting chemical identified in mice
(http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-06-memory-boosting-chemical-mice.html)

[The Truth Is In There]

original post deleted.

i agree, this is the planet of the apes.

[T Smith]

We can measure the evolution of a race or a specie based on the way they take care of their most fragile ones.

i don't quote your entire post here, just this tiny piece but please explain to me these things:

- why are bodies in which souls are incapable of providing for themselves due to certain defects eliminated in nature?

this happens in all species except humans. animals do it instinctively - letting defective offspring die or be eaten (examples - birds who can't fly, fish who are not strong enough to swim certain distances, land animals who are not fast enough to outrun predators, etc.)

- what do you think happens if people with genetic defects are allowed to procreate and these defects are inherited by their offspring? will that improve the species?

- how long do you think will it take for humanity to become extinct by going against nature and allowing their defective specimens to live, procreate and multiply due to a screwed sense or ethics?

- do you believe that humans stand above nature and should do things that go against nature and basic laws of creation, such as "the strong ones live and the weak ones die, otherwise the species perishes"? don't you think nature's laws will triumph over human laws in the end?

- would you like to have a mentally disabled child instead of a healthy one in order to grow more spiritually?

This is a very complex dynamic, Truth, that probably requires an entirely new thread. I haven't read all your posts on this matter, but of the few I have, it would seem you may be conflicted about eugenics. I will elaborate below, and if I am misinformed on your stance, please correct me.

On the one hand, I get the sense that you support the philosophy advanced by the founders of the eugenics movement here in America (which directly inspired Nazi Germany, etc.), e.g. a method of preserving and improving the dominant groups in the population, so the species could thrive. Eugenics wasn't always a dirty word, as I'm sure you know. It was considered a progressive pursuit (by some), and if one queried all the social engineers involved prior to WW II, they would almost assuredly describe themselves as "service-to-others". On the other hand, you seem appalled by the eugenics movement. Many of the fragile traits you fear will result in the extinction of the species, if left to propagate, have been brought about by the eugenics movement, be it deliberately or by consequence. Almost all of the drugs, gmos, chemtrails, fluoride, etc., etc. (the list goes on and on), that are destroying human DNA are rooted in the eugenics movement, which was forced underground after the horrors of WWII. But we should be of no mistake: eugenics is alive an well, albeit existent in the shadowy underground of the power structure. That understood, can you see the conflict here when humans decide to play an active role in the natural selection process? Even if you disagree with the moral argument against eugenics--as in the ends somehow justify the means--it is still hubris beyond imagination to suggest humanity should play any role in the collective propagation of the species, no matter what the motive, be it psychopathically motivated by a delusional belief of grandeur or be it motivated by a true, albeit still delusional, belief that assuming the role of God in the propagation process equates to service to others.

I understand this is a very complex issue, and there are other factors, as non-human influences that have and are influencing human evolution, etc. We can hash all that out, but the bottom line is, eugenics is a very bad idea after you weigh in all considerations.

[Flash]

Memory-boosting chemical identified in mice
(http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-06-memory-boosting-chemical-mice.html)

Many thanks Carmody, this is very interesting. I will reread the article once again. I found this journal of medecine quite interesting too and bookmarked it. This article you posted would mean, if you extrapolate, that most genetic mishappening could also be corrected through chemical or other enhancement.

What I was surprised about is the inverse correlation between stress and memory. More stress, less memory, less stress, more memory. I would go as far as asking myself if these types of memory are not in fact genetically derived as well. For example, Tesla who have been submitted to heavy stress of war, to chemical and vaccines used in war, etc, would have had not only a genetic manipulation (willfull of not from PTB) and OR vibrational manipulation that would have an impact on offsprings.

I read years ago that the descendants of the Jewish victims rescued from concentration camps were much more prone to all king of mental and stress related diseases, even if they had had a very good life all along. As if a switch was turned on when suffering immensely in the camps and the turned on switch propagate to future generations.

I also read that most cases of diabetis, in Europe (our way of eating in America and our heavy chemical food industry may have changed the data), precisely in Finland, were traced back three generations behind from parents who had suffered famines, either a great grandmother that had starved during pregnancy or a great grandfather who had starved in the 2 years prior to puberty. This was transmitted somehow genetically to the third generation in the chain. Something from it switch the genes on for diabetis.

If we extrapolate from this, the heavy spraying we have, the heavy pesticides we have, the hormones in the animals we have, the GMO food we consume (in Canada, which was the land of experimentation in GMO unknown from the public for more than 30 years), and now the EMF pollution we have, all this is starting to have an impact on our children and will get worst with time. I should put that post on the Monsanto thread.

Not only do we have real stress with work, tv, playstation games, and just plain survival, imposing much on our gene pool, but also with all the chemical imposed on us.

It won't be nice in 3 generations if we go on that way.

Then we will need other chemicals to enhance ourselves and correct those imposed pollution genetic manipulations, that only the very wealthy, 1%, will be able to afford. Perfect control.

Truth, you are tackling the problem from the wrong end. There was about no autism 50 years ago, and there is still about none in Africa. And this is not due to genetic strenght, believe it. `First generation African children here in America have as much autism as the general population here, while there is about none in Africa (they can't afford even the chemicals).

In me meantime, only parents with good revenues can help their children out this very difficult predicament. And it is those parents that are ringing the bell for all of society.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

You guys sure have been busy in here while I'm away!

I am glad that people are thinking so much,
that we understand each other and agree on some things!

You guys would really get a kick out of seeing my boy;
he is anything but dumb. he is just weird, lol!

He is starting to do some pretty amazing things,
stuff most people who know him might not believe...

he understands some fairly complicated interactions, is starting to be helpful (to certain people lmao),
and is learning new things especially as his diet improves.

i hope they don't keep sticking him full of shots.
i can only hope that if that happens, he has developed a resistance.

[The Truth Is In There]

original post deleted.

i agree, this is the planet of the apes.

[WhiteFeather]

Just another perspective here on the topic of Autism by Esther Hicks. Sometimes i had wondered if these intelligent children are here for a special reason or purpose. As I truly believe they are. Some say these children vibrate at a higher frequency and possibly have the 3rd Strand of DNA integrated already in the human genome. I look at these children as a great benefit to this planet, not a handicap. I'm not quite sure it's the vaccines that cause autism, but i could be wrong. Please give this a Listen, see if it resonates. Heartfelt words spoken here on this topic. All my Love and thoughts to you OP and the parents and families with Autistic children.

<~Be at 1~>

W.f.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjw4HoIYPEY

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjw4HoIYPEY

It's half true- half not . It's the spiritualists' /religious, metaphysical take on everything but robbed of the reality /scientific explanation of causes and consequences . While she says 'no one's trapped here' , it's not correct, it maybe psychologically workable stance on 'all human matters' . We are trapped here , as biological entities for very long time .
We had to adapt, adjust, work through ages and ages of adaptation processes, some harmonious some uneven .

That's how you have people born with various levels of physical and mental development not matching the planetary conditions, some to a level of not being able to care for themselves . Some more able than everyone else .

Such people /children were born in every society and culture, those with severe disabilities usually cast away or did not survive long .
No spiritualist alone can explain the truth such as no scientist cut off deeper awareness and connection between phenomena can explain the truth . They just 'do not know yet' .


:behindsofa:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

One thing the Germans got wrong, in my opinion, was their insistence on this abstract thing they called "Perfection".
"Perfectibilism" was around long before the world wars kicked off.

But just because a system is efficient doesn't mean it's humane.
And you can't just deny the pain and suffering of the MILLIONS killed by the Nazis as some kind of magic carpet ride into a golden age, either.

I respect people who try to look at both sides of history.
But my fear of the Nazis is almost greater than my fear of American capitalists -- they were so busy, so dedicated, so wholly behind the banner of genocide.
At least the occasional mistake or indulgence of laziness throws a wrench into the progress of corporatism.

But even Hitler's "perfect empire" might have deteriorated eventually into corruption and chaos.
Just look at the SS and the tricks they pulled when Germany collapsed.
It was every man for himself, and that is an aspect of human life that will never change.
Not until we all agree that violence is not the answer.

that includes ALL forms of violence, even GMO and genetic warfare -- crimes on the MICRO level and not just things you can see with the naked eye.
People should be interested in what goes on in the courts, who is lobbying whom, and what the corporations are taking from us today.

What kind of fruit comes from a garden where everything has to be the same and progress at the same level of efficiency?

We cannot cultivate poison and tell our children that it's good food...

[Flash]

i WILL REPRODUCE MY POST FROM YOU OTHER THREAD TESLA IF YOU DO NOT MIND, i THINK IT IS NEEDED HERE TOO. And yes, Paul and mods, I am sending someone to sh it and I do not want to remove this, this is extremely deeply felt. You can put me on vacation if you want, but please do not remove it.


Being near would have been a great idea, not only to share your love with your son, but also to stimulate him (sensory stimulation) as much as possible and teach over an above what he already has at his group home.

I do not know when your time is up with the probation agents, I would have collected information on autism and would have ask for a special case based on clemency, promisisng I would come back every month for probation, or something like that.

Now that you are looking at solutions Tesla, you will have to become mommy tiger. You have to fight (gentle relentless fight, relentless, not those you were arrested for lol) all his life, to obtain the best for him. Because,...... nobody truly understand except you and moms in the same situation. Teachers do not understand, schoolboards do not understand, hospitals do not understand, you and moms like you do.

Now, I have been active on this thread for a main reason: i am a mom who knows, like you. When my daughter was diagnosed with - autism, retardation, dysphasia (they did not know exactly what she had) at 4, and that I was divorcing from a terrible men at the same time, left penniless in order to get rid of him, having gained 100 pounds from stress, I was devastated. I had worked younger for mentally handicaps workshops, and I did not want my daughter ending up like this on one hand, on the other hand I knew she was bright and had some emotions but would not look in someones eyes.

The prognostics were that she would not finish primary school, even the pediatrician was insisting on the teenager vaccine early (i refused) saying those kids often get raped. Can you imagine.

So, I designed a plan on a 10 years basis to help her. It started from finding allllll the free help existing in my province, all of it. Then, being free meant often not available because of low budgets. So I learned to bitch in public, in hospital auditoriums during presentation on children therapies, in the deaf and mute institute for helping her dysphasia, at the local health place lately because she is right now extremely depressed and suicidal. One of the reason being that those children days are extremely stressful, having to put in at least 4 times as much efforts as anyone else to learn, to talk, etc.

After 12 years of following my plan, I remain only with her being depressed, so this summer we are taking a brake and travelling to Europe. How come I can? Because from a prognostic of light autism and severe dysphasia, plus ADD, I ended up with a kid basically normal, only a few remnants of dysphasia.

She is now 16, will be in the 11th grade high school next year, succeeds with As and Bs, and the special ed school for learning disable but normal intelligence is directing her curriculum so that she will be able to go to college.

For a kid who could not speak, for which I had private singing lessons given starting at 8, giving the mandate to the singing teacher to make her speak, she felt in love with music and is now writing her own songs, her own music and she sings. She was in one of the biggest competition last may on television. She is now asked as a speaker on dysphasia and learning disabilities for future teachers in universities.

For you Tesla here you find her song she competed with


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv2QZGlugtI


And p i ss o ff The truth is in there, I have no patience for such people any more.

Forgot to say: she is also completely bilingual, which is never seen in dysphasic children. I am sooooo proud of her, that kid has worked about 10 times more than others to reach this state of being. It makes her a very persistent, hard worker, dedicated person, and very sensitive to others too.

And yes, now that she is better, I cracked and went down, but I am not coming back from depression and I would do what I did for her 100 times over again, it was that much worthwile. We do have a great time together.

This is learning unconditional love truth, I do not think you can ever understand this. Her mission may be to teach love.

[T Smith]

We can measure the evolution of a race or a specie based on the way they take care of their most fragile ones.

i don't quote your entire post here, just this tiny piece but please explain to me these things:

- why are bodies in which souls are incapable of providing for themselves due to certain defects eliminated in nature?

this happens in all species except humans. animals do it instinctively - letting defective offspring die or be eaten (examples - birds who can't fly, fish who are not strong enough to swim certain distances, land animals who are not fast enough to outrun predators, etc.)

- what do you think happens if people with genetic defects are allowed to procreate and these defects are inherited by their offspring? will that improve the species?

- how long do you think will it take for humanity to become extinct by going against nature and allowing their defective specimens to live, procreate and multiply due to a screwed sense or ethics?

- do you believe that humans stand above nature and should do things that go against nature and basic laws of creation, such as "the strong ones live and the weak ones die, otherwise the species perishes"? don't you think nature's laws will triumph over human laws in the end?

- would you like to have a mentally disabled child instead of a healthy one in order to grow more spiritually?

This is a very complex dynamic, Truth, that probably requires an entirely new thread. I haven't read all your posts on this matter, but of the few I have, it would seem you may be conflicted about eugenics. I will elaborate below, and if I am misinformed on your stance, please correct me.

On the one hand, I get the sense that you support the philosophy advanced by the founders of the eugenics movement here in America (which directly inspired Nazi Germany, etc.), e.g. a method of preserving and improving the dominant groups in the population, so the species could thrive. Eugenics wasn't always a dirty word, as I'm sure you know. It was considered a progressive pursuit (by some), and if one queried all the social engineers involved prior to WW II, they would almost assuredly describe themselves as "service-to-others". On the other hand, you seem appalled by the eugenics movement. Many of the fragile traits you fear will result in the extinction of the species, if left to propagate, have been brought about by the eugenics movement, be it deliberately or by consequence. Almost all of the drugs, gmos, chemtrails, fluoride, etc., etc. (the list goes on and on), that are destroying human DNA are rooted in the eugenics movement, which was forced underground after the horrors of WWII. But we should be of no mistake: eugenics is alive an well, albeit existent in the shadowy underground of the power structure. That understood, can you see the conflict here when humans decide to play an active role in the natural selection process? Even if you disagree with the moral argument against eugenics--as in the ends somehow justify the means--it is still hubris beyond imagination to suggest humanity should play any role in the collective propagation of the species, no matter what the motive, be it psychopathically motivated by a delusional belief of grandeur or be it motivated by a true, albeit still delusional, belief that assuming the role of God in the propagation process equates to service to others.

I understand this is a very complex issue, and there are other factors, as non-human influences that have and are influencing human evolution, etc. We can hash all that out, but the bottom line is, eugenics is a very bad idea after you weigh in all considerations.

i think you're throwing two very different things into the same pot here. i also think that people do this is intended by those who control humanity because it ties something good to something bad and so most people assume both things are bad.

what was intended in the 3rd reich had nothing to do with what you see in the world today. anybody who researches history of the 20th century and doesn't just listen to the ubiquitous lies will become aware of this.

the 3rd reich was the almost ideal template of a nation on its way into the golden age. this may sound fanciful but it's true. the philosophies they represented were already put into writing by germans in the 19th century and that's why germany was forced into two wars. most ideas the nazis had were not new but they implemented them on a grand scale which resulted in the greatest and fastest advance in the well-being and positive development of a people in history, ever.

they prohibited abortion and encouraged healthy eating, sports, biological farming, homeopathy and the use of natural as opposed to allopathic medicine. they researched alternative treatments for cancer and many other diseases and were leading in pretty much all sciences.

the ultimate goal in everything they did was a development for the benefit of the german people from a spiritual, non-materialistic perspective, not international capitalistic parasitism or the purely materialistic communism that were running the rest of the world back then and the whole world today.

the use of humane ways of reducing the number of babies that are born disabled or freeing souls that have become trapped in disabled bodies right after birth would have led to a natural decrease in genetic defects and, given enough time, would have eliminated them altogether. the souls would have been free to incarnate again immediately in a healthy body, without the trauma of lifelong suffering. it would have improved the racial stock (the physical bodies) and given all souls the best possible biological material to work with.

"in a healthy body lives a healthy spirit".

the focus on spirituality and humanity instead of money, on idealism instead of capitalism, was one reason why people from about 30 different nations fought alongside germans in the ss, even people from tibet and india.

what most people believe today is that the controllers who poison and kill humanity, who use corporations like monsanto or the bill gates foundation to secretly try to depopulate the earth are in some way the remains of the 3rd reich or were influenced by them. nothing could be further from the truth.

most of these companies as well as banks, oil corporations, the media who spread all these lies and all capitalist as well as communist governments today are owned or controlled by jews (who are not real semitic jews in the historical sense but khazars). behind this "chosen" race hides the enemy of humanity, reptilians who want the planet for themselves and either enslave all humans or, if that is not possible, kill them. they use human bodies as hosts and keep their bloodlines pure but their souls are different from ours. there are literally hundreds of quotes from jews all throughout recent history that tell exactly this in plain words (that all other races must be enslaved or, if not possible, killed. it's spelled out in their holy books as well. see the old testament for reference.) but the majority of people don't see the forest for the trees.

national socialism was the polar opposite to what these people (or beings) do and that is the reason why they tried to eliminate the german people. there are many famous quotes from that time in which they admitted that ww2 was not fought against the nazis or hitler but against the german people. they tried the same with ww1, to eliminate the german people because it is the race that has the potential to lead the world, by example, into the golden age. today they still try to kill the german people, the german spirit, but nowadays it happens through multi-culturalism and re-education. lies and deception have always been their most harmful weapons.

sorry for going somewhat off-topic here but all these things tie together and most of the people today have a completely erroneous view of history and why things happened the way they did and what's really going on today. they may realize that the "one world" game plan leads to global control and enslavement, deeper into materialism and away from spirit, but they don't see that the true path to the golden age was already pointed out by germany 80 years ago. eugenics as i described it is just one tiny piece of this puzzle.

This is an interesting perspective. I don’t take issue with the alternative view of history (we all know history is written by the victors of conflict), but the one snag I have with this perspective is the blatant hubris underlying the tacit suggestion that humanity (or even more alarming, a cultural sub-sect of humanity) should orchestrate and engineer its own selection process--and more disturbing--that of the species at large. This is nothing less than an agenda of conquest.

Throughout history the propagation of cultural and spiritual values has always been instilled by conquest, so this is not surprising, and indeed the whole of humanity is at present under a brutal attack where the surviving prisoners, if any, will be subject to brutal slavery, spiritual torture, and “the heal of a boot stomping on the face of humanity forever,” to quote Orwell. These are very grave and trying times for humanity, our nature being what it is. But this is a side issue to the point.

Even if one subscribes to the philosophy you describe, by which a distinct group of humans classified by unique anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and social affiliation (what Hitler envisioned as the Master Race) have envisioned an answer to the current onslaught waged against humanity and therefore qualify to advance a prescription for a golden era, this vision is nothing more than a competing school of conquest. The progenitors of the NWO also envision a “golden era” for humanity. If indeed I am throwing two forms of eugenics into a single pot, then at the end of the day what we are really describing is an epic battle for world domination, and the dynamic and control of a 4th-Reich, so-to-speak, albeit waged with weapons that have evolved from clubs and spears to weapons of mass eugenics. To those of us subject to this struggle for the throne of a scientific dictatorship (the 99.99% of us) it maters not what faction gains the upper hand; both employ the philosophy of eugenics as weapons of mass social engineering. As a result, we humans as a species face the very likely possibility of becoming assimilated into an entirely new species and going the way of the Dodo. With irony I point out this seems to be the same concern you have…. If we are to survive, we must overcome the war waged against us with weapons of mass eugenics.

To wit:

Who decides the optimal selection process? Who determines what constitutes healthy stock, desirable genes, etc.? What human (or ultimately, non-human) authority, and under what intelligence and spiritual qualifications and unqiue awareness, determines what genes collectively to propagate, what genes collectively to irradicate, and who lives and dies? I submit even the most beneign and enlightened human being alive on this planet or elsewhere is not not qualified to answer these questions. If humanity is to thrive and even survive, nature, expressed via the collective development of the consciousness of the species en mass, need determine these questions in a homeopathic, organic fashion. Not by a handful of conquerors who would assume an allopathic remedy via the prescription of eugenics. (Again, we could debate this issue in an whole new thread--there is a lot here). The consciousness of every single human being on the planet participates in this equation and in ways incalculable to the unawakened 3-d consciousness.

All this said, I do agree with you that the very survival of species is at present threatened, and in ways you correctly observe, but I submit this is presicely on account of reasons founded on the philosophy of eugenics, which at the core describes the dynamic where the few determine and control the course and destiny of the many. As a people, we need to defeat our conquerors who are currently waging war against us. The war, and ultimately genocide, is always justified because our conquerors believe they know what’s best. The end game is always a mass culling, where in theory the strong survive and continue to propagate the species (albeit as slaves), thus rejuvenating the species into our Brave New World engineered by our Brave New Masters. If seen to its envisioned conclusion, this development does not bode well for the future of humanity, imho.

[Swanette]

i WILL REPRODUCE MY POST FROM YOU OTHER THREAD TESLA IF YOU DO NOT MIND, i THINK IT IS NEEDED HERE TOO. And yes, Paul and mods, I am sending someone to sh it and I do not want to remove this, this is extremely deeply felt. You can put me on vacation if you want, but please do not remove it.


Being near would have been a great idea, not only to share your love with your son, but also to stimulate him (sensory stimulation) as much as possible and teach over an above what he already has at his group home.

I do not know when your time is up with the probation agents, I would have collected information on autism and would have ask for a special case based on clemency, promisisng I would come back every month for probation, or something like that.

Now that you are looking at solutions Tesla, you will have to become mommy tiger. You have to fight (gentle relentless fight, relentless, not those you were arrested for lol) all his life, to obtain the best for him. Because,...... nobody truly understand except you and moms in the same situation. Teachers do not understand, schoolboards do not understand, hospitals do not understand, you and moms like you do.

Now, I have been active on this thread for a main reason: i am a mom who knows, like you. When my daughter was diagnosed with - autism, retardation, dysphasia (they did not know exactly what she had) at 4, and that I was divorcing from a terrible men at the same time, left penniless in order to get rid of him, having gained 100 pounds from stress, I was devastated. I had worked younger for mentally handicaps workshops, and I did not want my daughter ending up like this on one hand, on the other hand I knew she was bright and had some emotions but would not look in someones eyes.

The prognostics were that she would not finish primary school, even the pediatrician was insisting on the teenager vaccine early (i refused) saying those kids often get raped. Can you imagine.

So, I designed a plan on a 10 years basis to help her. It started from finding allllll the free help existing in my province, all of it. Then, being free meant often not available because of low budgets. So I learned to bitch in public, in hospital auditoriums during presentation on children therapies, in the deaf and mute institute for helping her dysphasia, at the local health place lately because she is right now extremely depressed and suicidal. One of the reason being that those children days are extremely stressful, having to put in at least 4 times as much efforts as anyone else to learn, to talk, etc.

After 12 years of following my plan, I remain only with her being depressed, so this summer we are taking a brake and travelling to Europe. How come I can? Because from a prognostic of light autism and severe dysphasia, plus ADD, I ended up with a kid basically normal, only a few remnants of dysphasia.

She is now 16, will be in the 11th grade high school next year, succeeds with As and Bs, and the special ed school for learning disable but normal intelligence is directing her curriculum so that she will be able to go to college.

For a kid who could not speak, for which I had private singing lessons given starting at 8, giving the mandate to the singing teacher to make her speak, she felt in love with music and is now writing her own songs, her own music and she sings. She was in one of the biggest competition last may on television. She is now asked as a speaker on dysphasia and learning disabilities for future teachers in universities.

For you Tesla here you find her song she competed with


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv2QZGlugtI


And p i ss o ff The truth is in there, I have no patience for such people any more.

Forgot to say: she is also completely bilingual, which is never seen in dysphasic children. I am sooooo proud of her, that kid has worked about 10 times more than others to reach this state of being. It makes her a very persistent, hard worker, dedicated person, and very sensitive to others too.

And yes, now that she is better, I cracked and went down, but I am not coming back from depression and I would do what I did for her 100 times over again, it was that much worthwile. We do have a great time together.

This is learning unconditional love truth, I do not think you can ever understand this. Her mission may be to teach love.


Thank you Flash
She is beautiful and so is her song! You an amazing warrior mother ! I also have a son who is fighting to get back to normal from his Asperger's illnesses. It has been a struggle for many years but he is getting better little by little everyday. I am discovering more and more new information about his form of autism that has helped me to help him. I understand what you have been going through. I have cracked, too. But I also know from experience that you must also take care of yourself

Hugs

S

[The Truth Is In There]

original post deleted.

i agree, this is the planet of the apes.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Can someone do something about this troll in our thread?


reading the things you write one might think you were there when in fact they're just the lies and propaganda you have been fed with, that have been exposed as such by revisionists, many of whom were sent to jail by the "authorities" or attacked by militant extremists for speaking the truth and proving that the official history is nothing but a gigantic lie. if they're just different opinions, why outlaw them unless the "authorities" have something to hide?

You think that the Nazis did not kill all those Jews and dissenters?
The USA is nothing like that. Show me the camps, show me the ovens and the smokestacks -- until then you are just waving a dead man's banner.

[The Truth Is In There]

You think that the Nazis did not kill all those Jews and dissenters?
The USA is nothing like that. Show me the camps, show me the ovens and the smokestacks -- until then you are just waving a dead man's banner.

i know what they did and did not do because unlike you, i've studied both pro and con and i believe in proven facts, not in grand fairy tales.

i'm sorry if you think that the multi-cultural crowd that's called americans is morally superior to the german people. it is a delusion but it's understandable because you were probably told since you were a child that americans are great, that multi-culturalism is wonderful, that the jews are god's chosen people and of course that the germans are monsters. what's not understandable is that you accept what you are told as facts without questioning them or listening to those people who have different "opinions".

anyway, i see you are not interested in the truth, only in defending your opinion (which is based 100% on lies and propaganda). i could as well have talked to a wall.

the sad thing is that most people are like you, which is the reason why humanity is so easy to control and lives in a global zionist slave labour camp.

i would have thought people who are interested in conspiracy "theories" would be ready to question other things as well, like what's sold to them as "history". never mind, though. i'm not going to waste more time on this thread. believe what you want..or rather, what "they" want you to believe. it's not the right way but definitely the easy one.

[Flash]

this is a thread on autism, not on eugenism nor the last WW, nor nazis or jews, just a thread on autism and solutions.

The supposedly Truth, you have been hijacking this thread for you own purpose, you have shown a total lack of empathy for mothers here who are searching for solutions telling them their kids should not have been created and if so should go through some form of eugenism, reallly...

As far as I am concerned, take your mental masturbation on what should and should not about crippled elsewhere and stop disrupting this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

Can someone do something about this troll in our thread?


i know what they did and did not do because unlike you, i've studied both pro and con and i believe in proven facts, not in grand fairy tales.


As far as I am concerned, take your mental masturbation on what should and should not about crippled elsewhere and stop disrupting this thread.

So far as I can tell:

There is a genuine controversy regarding the topic that Tesla_WTC_Solution and The Truth Is In There are discussing.
This is genuinely not the forum to be tossing such labels as troll, believer of fairy tales, or mental masturbation at others.
This is genuinely not the thread to be discussing the topic that Tesla_WTC_Solution and The Truth Is In There are discussing.

:focus:

[The Truth Is In There]

this is a thread on autism, not on eugenism nor the last WW, nor nazis or jews, just a thread on autism and solutions.

The supposedly Truth, you have been hijacking this thread for you own purpose, you have shown a total lack of empathy for mothers here who are searching for solutions telling them their kids should not have been created and if so should go through some form of eugenism, reallly...

As far as I am concerned, take your mental masturbation on what should and should not about crippled elsewhere and stop disrupting this thread.

i've tried to point out the reasons why autism is on the rise (deliberately caused) but this requires knowledge of historical facts, religion, psychology and various other topics besides an interest in medicine. it also requires complex thinking abilities to understand the big picture. i realize now that not everyone has those qualities so i will leave you to yourselves.

[ThePythonicCow]

We're touching on some very difficult topics here.

Sometimes one thread on forum just isn't big enough to hold it all ... that's OK.

[T Smith]

i'm sorry if you think that the multi-cultural crowd that's called americans is morally superior to the german people. it is a delusion but it's understandable because you were probably told since you were a child that americans are great, that multi-culturalism is wonderful, that the jews are god's chosen people and of course that the germans are monsters. what's not understandable is that you accept what you are told as facts without questioning them or listening to those people who have different "opinions".

anyway, i see you are not interested in the truth, only in defending your opinion (which is based 100% on lies and propaganda). i could as well have talked to a wall.

the sad thing is that most people are like you, which is the reason why humanity is so easy to control and lives in a global zionist slave labour camp.

i would have thought people who are interested in conspiracy "theories" would be ready to question other things as well, like what's sold to them as "history". never mind, though. i'm not going to waste more time on this thread. believe what you want..or rather, what "they" want you to believe. it's not the right way but definitely the easy one.

Truth, why don't you start a new thread on this topic? If so, I will participate in it. These are very complex issues, but not necessarily something we should be hashing out in a thread about autism.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I never said Germans were monsters.

I just said that they were wrong.

Everyone is wrong sometimes. Apparently the Germans at one time had a serious problem with that..

@@

p.s. i am likely nearly half german, btw. and i hate it LOL

[The Truth Is In There]

I never said Germans were monsters.

I just said that they were wrong.

Everyone is wrong sometimes. Apparently the Germans at one time had a serious problem with that..

@@

p.s. i am likely nearly half german, btw. and i hate it LOL

no, you never said the germans were monsters but if you believe the propaganda (which you do) you don't have to say it out loud.

[part of this post has been deleted. big brother is watching...]

the rise of autism, degenerative diseases, the poisoning of humans and the environment, the globalization with the consequential racism and conflicts, the criminal money system and everything else that is wrong in this world has one and only one cause.

people with enough mental power to be able to see the big picture and who are ready to change their worldview into one that is based on facts (not hearsay, lies and wild, emotional fairytales) will begin to see all puzzle pieces fall into place once they've accepted that, just like 9/11, whats in history books and newspapers (all of them controlled) and what's the truth are two completely different things.



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i'm sorry if you think that the multi-cultural crowd that's called americans is morally superior to the german people. it is a delusion but it's understandable because you were probably told since you were a child that americans are great, that multi-culturalism is wonderful, that the jews are god's chosen people and of course that the germans are monsters. what's not understandable is that you accept what you are told as facts without questioning them or listening to those people who have different "opinions".

anyway, i see you are not interested in the truth, only in defending your opinion (which is based 100% on lies and propaganda). i could as well have talked to a wall.

the sad thing is that most people are like you, which is the reason why humanity is so easy to control and lives in a global zionist slave labour camp.

i would have thought people who are interested in conspiracy "theories" would be ready to question other things as well, like what's sold to them as "history". never mind, though. i'm not going to waste more time on this thread. believe what you want..or rather, what "they" want you to believe. it's not the right way but definitely the easy one.

Truth, why don't you start a new thread on this topic? If so, I will participate in it. These are very complex issues, but not necessarily something we should be hashing out in a thread about autism.

i agree but this is a hot topic and i don't want the inquisition to knock at my door. better to keep this somewhat hidden. those who care will find the information.

[T Smith]

i agree but this is a hot topic and i don't want the inquisition to knock at my door. better to keep this somewhat hidden. those who care will find the information.

Perhaps you underestimate the sagacity of Avalon. I'm fairly sure those who would participate in your thread can handle it. And while I'm by no means an expert or as versed as you are are, from what little I do know on the subject it would seem you may be confusing Judaism with Zionism.... these are very different things.

[The Truth Is In There]

original post deleted. what a waste of time.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Not sure why we are still Jew bashing in here.
I've got a Jewish aunt, and there's nothing wrong with her.

When, how, and where did Jews do something bad enough that Hitler decided their whole race should be stamped out?
I'd like to know how many gas chambers, ovens, Hitler Youth, gestapos, etc. that the Jews have owned.
I'd also like to see the atomic bomb schematic and direct phone line to God at some point (sarcasm).

I wish people would keep the Jew bashing out of my threads.
I am not some Nazi sympathizer and this is the wrong place for it....

my great grandfather was one of the people who stormed Normandy beach.
and I am supposed to feel sorry for a bunch of snipers and bombers?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/entropy-15-00372.pdf

Entropy 2013, 15, 372-406; doi:10.3390/e15010372

entropy
ISSN 1099-4300
www.mdpi.com/journal/entropy
Review
Is Encephalopathy a Mechanism to Renew Sulfate in Autism?
Stephanie Seneff 1,*, Ann Lauritzen 2
, Robert M. Davidson 3
and Laurie Lentz-Marino 4

1
Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, MIT, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA;
2
Independent Researcher, Houston, TX 77084, USA; E-Mail: crzdcmst@sbcglobal.net (A.L.)
3
Internal Medicine Group Practice, PhyNet, Inc., Longview, TX 75604, USA;
E-Mail: patrons99@yahoo.com (R.M.D.)
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The section below provides evidence of impaired sulfur metabolism and excess nitric oxide
production in ASD and shows that excess ammonia synthesis is a key sensitizing factor for
encephalitis. Then, Section 3 shows that heparan sulfate, particularly in the lysosome, enables the
killing and breakdown of invasive pathogens. Section 4 draws analogies between ASD and hepatic
encephalopathy. Section 5 points out the significance of glutamate in the brain, both as a key
neurotransmitter and as a metabolite for the renewal of ATP during impaired glucose uptake.
Astrocytes respond to swelling by releasing taurine, glutamate, glutamine and aspartate, which can
supply neurons with alternative fuel to protect them from mitochondrial complex I damage during an
immune assault. Section 6 shows that the sulfonic amino acid, taurine, enables detoxifying of
hypochlorite, a key weapon used by neutrophils in their attack on invasive pathogens. This section also
describes how taurine chloramine, the product of the reaction of taurine with hypochlorite, can
plausibly be metabolized to resupply sulfate. Section 7 develops the idea that seizures and high fever
provide the necessary energy to fuel the synthesis of cholesterol sulfate by RBCs, endothelial cells,
platelets, and neurons.

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Molecular mechanisms: Mutant mice show signs of autism
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25 May 2012

Tunnel vision: Mice lacking heparan sulfate, a regulatory molecule, repeatedly explore the same hole in their cage, suggesting restricted interests.
Mice that are unable to produce a carbohydrate molecule that regulates cell growth show behaviors that resemble the core deficits of autism, according to a study published 27 March in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences1.

Heparan sulfate forms complexes with proteins that sit on the cell surface, and mediates cell signaling by linking them to other proteins, such as growth factors. The compound is also present at synapses, the junctions between neurons.

Studies have shown that animal models lacking genes necessary for the production of heparan sulfate develop abnormally shaped brains. To investigate whether heparan sulfate is also involved in maintaining neuronal signaling, the researchers looked at its role in the mature brain.

They engineered mice to lose the EXT1 gene — which is required for heparan sulfate synthesis — three weeks after birth, and only in neurons of the forebrain. The forebrain is an important cognitive region that includes the hippocampus, which is required for learning and memory, and the amygdala, which helps process emotions.

Unexpectedly, these mice show features that resemble the core deficits in autism, the study found. The mice are less interested than controls in reuniting with siblings after a separation, more likely to avoid than to challenge intruder mice in their cages, and more likely than controls to back down when confronted with another mouse in a small tube, all of which suggest social deficits. Male mice lacking EXT1 also produce fewer and shorter vocalizations compared with controls when interacting with females.

When placed in a cage with holes in the floor, the mice lacking EXT1 tend to repeatedly poke their noses into the same hole, a behavior reminiscent of the restricted interests seen in people with autism, whereas controls explore different holes, the study found.

The mice also show sensory sensitivity, which is often associated with autism. However, they are less anxious than controls, freely exploring elevated or bright corridors and running around open spaces.

These mice also produce weaker signals from neurons in the amygdala. These neurons have fewer receptors that bind to glutamate, which mediates excitatory signaling in the brain.

Two autism-associated genes, CNTNAP2 and NRXN1, contain regions that could bind to carbohydrates such as heparan sulfate, the researchers say.

References:

1: Irie F. et al. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 109, 5052-5056 (2012) PubMed