Edward Snowden affair: the lesson we must not miss

[Dennis Leahy]

A small (but vocal) percentage of activists and conspiracy hounds are sounding an alarm about Edward Snowden - they just know this is too good to be true. Or do they?

Is he really an ascended light being? Is he Lucifer's pet lizard?

It doesn't matter.

While I'm convinced he's "the real deal", it makes no difference whatsoever what my opinion is - or isn't. What's important is how each of us use this situation.

You're familiar with the term "spin doctor", right? That's a public relations-type person that can take ANY true or false story and use it to the advantage of their client. If a spin doctor is really good at what they do, they could literally erase the most damning evidence, or blow any small but positive story out of proportion to make their client a hero.

What do you think the minions of the Ruling Elite do with situations that affect them? Well, I'm sure you realize that they would and did immediately put damage control spin doctors on any major whistleblowers and/or leaked info.

So, are we smart enough to use this story to our advantage, or are we going to waste a golden opportunity?

What has already happened is that Edward Snowden has provided - not by data gathered but by countenance, believability, and in simple language - testimony that we are all being spied upon, constantly. For US citizens, it also underscores a crushed 4th amendment.

If you're missing the point that this is a powerful event that provides "proof" to the average citizen, well... don't miss this point. This will be a "kool-aid antidote" for at least some people.

Don't let Gordon Duff or others steal this gem away from us. Especially US citizens (I believe) show that we have VERY short attention spans and whoever makes the FIRST impact with their spin will be the lasting impression left with most people.

The "take-away" here is that the US government lied on a huge issue, the NSA spies on all of us all day every day. (WE here at Avalon already "knew" this; most people did not know it, or did not believe it, or had no idea it was so broad and pervasive.)

If you want to try to figure out whether Snowden is really the Annanaki advance scouting party from Niburu or really George HW Bush's golfing buddy, do it privately, but don't let that stop you from publicly blasting out the main message of this whistleblower (even if you don't believe him.) Do not waste this! We need to use everything we have to show how corrupt and sinister these Overlords are. A superb opportunity just fell in our lap - are we going to be smart enough to use it to our advantage?

Dennis

[ghostrider]

we should call for the complete disbanding of the NSA , completely ...and put the FBI and the CIA on notice, all alphabet agencies are on our watch list ... do we need the NSA ??? nothing is secure , not even in their own office ...

[naste.de.lumina]

I agree with you Dennis.
If we let this opportunity pass we may not have another.


'The ability is worth little without opportunity "- Napoleon Bonaparte

[nonesuch]

Agreed. I'm online a lot countering attempts to discredit Snowden in opinion pieces on mainstream news sites or in forums or comments sections. After handling objections to Snowden's actions, or another character attack that is mostly gossip, I always turn the discussion back to the evidence that started all this action/inaction/discussion. Evidence is something the government will not or cannot produce and they're the party, by their own admisstion, who is the defendant in this case. They say that so much is at risk and if we don't accept their spy system then, 'people will die'. Who will be killing those people, they won't say. Sort of a mafia protection con. Pay us so we'll protect you from....us.

Its important to remind people of the Bill of Rights, even if they don't care. They can't counter argue the point with anything that doesn't betray their deliberate troublemaking, ignorance or their programmed loyalty that never questions authority, since from what the governmnet has already confirmed about their data collection system, there is no doubt that the government in performing secret searchs and seizure of our public and private info without a legitimate warrant. No warrant can be issued to cover every single person in the USA for years at time. Diane Feinstien said the FISA court's 3 month order to collect data on all Verizen customers was routine and had been going on for years. Without any more information than that, it is logical and easily arguable that their behavior is flagrantly unconstitutional, no matter why or what they're doing or not doing with the info. The unconstitutionality is already on the record.

A daily spiritual practice is a good idea too.

[northstar]

While I'm convinced he's "the real deal", it makes no difference whatsoever what my opinion is - or isn't. What's important is how each of us use this situation.

You're familiar with the term "spin doctor", right? That's a public relations-type person that can take ANY true or false story and use it to the advantage of their client. If a spin doctor is really good at what they do, they could literally erase the most damning evidence, or blow any small but positive story out of proportion to make their client a hero.

What do you think the minions of the Ruling Elite do with situations that affect them? Well, I'm sure you realize that they would and did immediately put damage control spin doctors on any major whistleblowers and/or leaked info.

So, are we smart enough to use this story to our advantage, or are we going to waste a golden opportunity?

What has already happened is that Edward Snowden has provided - not by data gathered but by countenance, believability, and in simple language - testimony that we are all being spied upon, constantly. For US citizens, it also underscores a crushed 4th amendment.


Eloquent post Dennis. I agree completely.

My only concern is that there appears to be a cavalier lack of concern among a great percentage of the American people that they are under constant surveillance. And among those who are aware of Snowden's revelations, many are apparently OK with citizens being spied upon due to the false belief that it will keep them safe from terrorists. It is troubling how many American citizens are utterly hypnotized from watching TV many hours a day, but of course, that is not surprising because it has been known for years exactly how TV puts the human brain into a state of hypnosis.

Finally, I don't know about citizens from other countries, but Canadians take a keen interest in matters affecting the US, especially environmental issues and politics. Many Canadians are avid "US watchers". One of the reasons I comment on American stories is that what happens in America influences my own country due to our close geographical location and what happens in American influences the world due to the fact that America is still a world superpower.


Agreed. I'm online a lot countering attempts to discredit Snowden in opinion pieces on mainstream news sites or in forums or comments sections. After handling objections to Snowden's actions, or another character attack that is mostly gossip, I always turn the discussion back to the evidence that started all this action/inaction/discussion. Evidence is something the government will not or cannot produce and they're the party, by their own admisstion, who is the defendant in this case. They say that so much is at risk and if we don't accept their spy system then, 'people will die'. Who will be killing those people, they won't say. Sort of a mafia protection con. Pay us so we'll protect you from....us.



Great post nonesuch.
I also devote some time each day to "spreading the light" (haha) in comment forums at certain online mainstream newspapers. I see this as part of my service to humanity. Whenever I post information that counters the paid PR and propaganda trolls of the corporate government, I feel a small sense of satisfaction that perhaps my words might help even one person to wake up from their mass media hypnotism.

Just this simple practice of finding one or two mainstream newspapers and posting truth in the comment section can be a powerful tool of resistance to the heavy mind programming and propaganda delivered by media and online newspapers. If enough people start posting comments that question the official version of reality (such as: "we need big daddy gov't to keep us safe from scary terrorists") then newspapers (most of which are privately owned) just might start publishing stories that the public wants to see.

Power to the people.
We are many, they are few.

[Bubu]

Agree Dennis. Lets press on it.

[walshy0420]

I don't sign in as much as I should but I just wanted to say thanks to Dennis for that brilliant post. As usual, you are on point and cutting through the misinformation.

We are all Edward Snowdens here, to some extent, so let's not let this opportunity be wasted. Don't get caught up in the spin and make sure this story doesn't go unheard because, believe it or not, there will be people who skim over this massive story and not realise the true implications of warrantless spying. That said I just watched a video earlier where young American students were being asked basic questions about US history and politics and they didn't have a clue, most of them, so unfortunately it seems society really is splitting into two. We have the informed and logical thinkers who are having to replace the media - in duty, not in popularity, unfortunately - and the braindead masses who are incapable of thinking if it contradicts some soundbite they heard that makes up their belief system.

[jiminii]

Agreed. I'm online a lot countering attempts to discredit Snowden in opinion pieces on mainstream news sites or in forums or comments sections. After handling objections to Snowden's actions, or another character attack that is mostly gossip, I always turn the discussion back to the evidence that started all this action/inaction/discussion. Evidence is something the government will not or cannot produce and they're the party, by their own admisstion, who is the defendant in this case. They say that so much is at risk and if we don't accept their spy system then, 'people will die'. Who will be killing those people, they won't say. Sort of a mafia protection con. Pay us so we'll protect you from....us.

Its important to remind people of the Bill of Rights, even if they don't care. They can't counter argue the point with anything that doesn't betray their deliberate troublemaking, ignorance or their programmed loyalty that never questions authority, since from what the governmnet has already confirmed about their data collection system, there is no doubt that the government in performing secret searchs and seizure of our public and private info without a legitimate warrant. No warrant can be issued to cover every single person in the USA for years at time. Diane Feinstien said the FISA court's 3 month order to collect data on all Verizen customers was routine and had been going on for years. Without any more information than that, it is logical and easily arguable that their behavior is flagrantly unconstitutional, no matter why or what they're doing or not doing with the info. The unconstitutionality is already on the record.

A daily spiritual practice is a good idea too.

what I don't get is this ..... we marched 1 million people into washington DC ... and NONE OF IT went on the news .. here is a million people with protest signs .. and NONE goes to the news ....

so this might be a valid deal ... and if it is ... why on the news??? is it because he put it on the news in Hong Kong .. and they couldn't stop him????

then if true .. we need to get all whistle blowers to do there whistle blowing in Hong Kong ...right ???

jim

[ulli]

I was in Hong Kong in 1974, and remember it to be a place of many hiding places.
The problem would be if a person didnt have Chinese features.
Westerners stand out there, whereever they go.

So obviously he didn't go there to hide, but to get this particular prominence.
Marching on DC would never have done it.

And judging by his demeanor in his interview,
it doesn't seem to me like he wants any personal prominence,
as he is only the messenger....he wants the message to get out, big time.
So in that sense...
Yeah....
Thanks to bring our attention to this, Jim.

[Prodigal Son]

My biggest fear is that the spin doctors' damage control alibi that they have already used this snooping information to "save" us from numerous terrorist plots will be believed by the masses... they will say "ooh" and "ahh" so "I don't have anything to hide, I don't care if they have all this info on me, because they are keeping us safe"... which of course is the elite plan. Needless to say that this is a complete misunderstanding of how things really work, and so we need to keep up the diligent effort to make people aware of things like Operation Northwoods, Operation Mockingbird, and the fact that just about all of those "thwarted terrorist plots" that they claim were actually hatched by the FBI in the first place, which is now mainstream news....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=4&

.... and most important of all, that 911 was an inside job.

[naste.de.lumina]

they will say "ooh" and "ahh" so I don't have anything to hide, I don't care if they have all this info on me.

http://pack.to/OJDsu2
The link for this article is no longer working, but it was here that I found this text very appropriate to reflect on the expression should not fear those who do not.
Thank you for raising this issue Prodigal Son.

This is a article by Richard Falkvinge, founder of the Swedish Pirate Party activist and civil liberties, especially related to technology and privacy.
Tipping dangerous "Who should not, do not fear"


You often hear the argument "Who should not, do not fear" to justify an increase in invasive surveillance. This argument is not only dangerous, it is dishonest and cowardly as well. In the post about the DNA registry in Sweden [translator's note: this post, in English, about the mapping of the DNA of the population by the Swedish Government], some used the argument "Who should not" - that the efficiency of the police could be always a more important factor in the creation of any society. This is a very dangerous way of thinking. The argument is often used in discussions of those pro-surveillance, and it is dangerous, cowardly and dishonest.

There are at least four good reasons to disagree with this argument so solid and uncompromising: the rules may change, it is you that determines whether you are busy, laws must be broken for the progress of society and privacy is a basic human need.

Let's examine them in detail. They range from less important and obvious to the less obvious and more important.

A - The rules may change: once the invasive surveillance is put in place to ensure the rules you agree, the set of rules to be guaranteed may change in ways that you do not agree anything - but then, it's too late to protest against surveillance. For example, you may agree with cameras in every home to prevent domestic violence ("and only domestic violence") - but the next day, a new political force in power decides that homosexuality should be illegal again, and they will use the cameras place to ensure the new rules. Any monitoring must be analyzed taking into account the ways in which a government worse than today can use to abuse them.

Two - It's not you determined if you have something to fear: you can consider yourself a good man and follower of law white plug, but no matter anything. What matters is whether his behavior surveillance raises alarms virtually automatic, where bureaucrats analyze your life in microscopic detail through a telescope of paper to look for patterns. When you stop your car on the main street of prostitution for two hours every Friday night, surveillance services will draw conclusions from the data, and will not worry about the fact that you help your elderly grandmother - who lives nearby - with the weekly shopping. When you stop at a bar outside the house Caminhoá work frequently, the DMV will draw certain conclusions about you being able or not to renew a driver's license - regardless of whether you think the bar offers the best of town and never coxinha have drunk a beer there. People will stop thinking in terms of what is legal, and acting in self-censorship to avoid drawing attention by sheer self-preservation. (No matter if someone is eventually acquitted correct - after being investigated for six months, you will have lost custody of their children, their work, and possibly your home.)

Two and a half - two point assumes that surveillance itself has the correct data, which has been proved often does not have.

Three - laws must be broken for the progress of society: a society that can guarantee all its laws dies. The way of thinking "criminal group is good for society" is very dangerous because in the blink of an eye, we discover that the criminals are the ones who are in the moral correctness. Less than a lifetime ago, if you had been born homosexual, you were born a criminal. If the level of vigilance of today existed in the 1950s and 1960s, the lobby group organized for sexual equality would never have been formed, it would have been just a matter of joining criminal organizations ("and who could refuse to fight organized crime? "). If the level of vigilance of today existed in the 1950s and 1960s, homosexuality was still illegal and gay people would be criminals by birth. It is absolutely necessary to be able to break unjust laws, to society progress and question their own values, to learn from mistakes and move forward as a society.

Four - Privacy is a basic human need: to say that only dishonest people need privacy ignores a basic characteristics of the human psyche, and passes a message very uncomfortable. We have a fundamental need for privacy. I close the door when I go to the men's room, despite the fact happen nothing secret there: I just want to make it quiet, I have a need to do yourself, and every society must respect the fundamental need for privacy. In any society that does not respect citizens responded with subterfuge and created their own private areas beyond the reach of government surveillance, why were not criminal, but because it is a fundamental human need.

Finally, note that this argument is commonly used by the authorities themselves to promote surveillance and censorship, while rejecting transparency and freedom of expression.

So it is very important to warn the unwary about the real consequences of giving up their freedoms for a supposed need for security.
Necessity imposed by the governments from their false flag attacks.
Edward Snowden gave us another opportunity and tool against tyranny.
Peace.

[AuCo]

Well, my interpretation might be of the chart :o

Mr. Snowden is a pawn. It would be interesting to know whose pawn it is in the American-China chess game.

MR. XI came to see MR. OBAMA. OBAMA told XI to stop lurking into US computers - spying is bad.

Poof! Mr. Snowden came out saying the US has been doing the same on "its own citizens", then ran to Hong-Kong - a Chinese territory. How opportune!

My hunch? It is played by America. It would be too entertaining if it was a Chinese move.

IMHO, it is aimed for the upper echelon's psyche. And so all the negative views (discussions) towards the US in this regards are energy being funneled to this purpose. Isn't that something?

[norman]

We need to use everything we have to show how corrupt and sinister these Overlords are. A superb opportunity just fell in our lap - are we going to be smart enough to use it to our advantage?

Dennis

Hi Dennis,

Are we going to be smart enough to make sure our 'spin' is both precisely applied and precisely received ?

If we are hoping to weaken or take down anyone, we have to make sure we are not doing the demolition work on behalf of the the bunch who are flat out reducing our world to rubble right now in order to build their new world order.

How do we differentiate, for the "masses", between the guys the new world order elite want to take the hits for all these breaking public scandals, and the new world order elite themselves.

We still live in a world where most of the population think a rich person is someone who owns a yacht. A whole battle fleet isn't even on most people's radar.

I'm feeling battered by so many 'scandals' coming out in the open these days. As far as I can tell, no a one of them, so far, has severed to do anything other than make the population hate the current national power structures and the establishment scoundrels who lurk there abouts up to no good.

I simplistic understanding of it might be excited by the falling from grace of these scoundrels and fall for what I think is the biggest con about all this. As the little people applaud the the collapsing of these national dirt bags and salivate themselves into a frenzy of anticipation of "change", what do you think will be the change offered up to them - that couldn't have been offered until the old structures were derelict ?

It amazes me that there aren't very many people seeing this for what it really is. There's a LOT of "activists" out there but very very few of them are yet aware that the tearing down they are working so hard at is the tearing down of the old to create the new world order in it's place.

I'll concede that the nwo elite are possibly taking a chance on it right now. They are surely calculating that when enough destruction has been done, they can flip a few switches and take the initiative all away from us again and step in with big feet and stamp out their new deal at the point of a metaphorical gun.

Who knows, maybe they've miss calculated. Maybe we are going to take this all the way to their demise. yea, maybe, and maybe not. I'll keep hoping as much as anyone else does, but, I've still not seen even a tiny hint that those crooks have been out paced by the rest of the human race and heading for a crash of their control over us. Not a tiny hint yet.

Even now with all that's going on and all that's coming out of the woodwork, I only see a relatively confused and witless mass of 'activists' effectively doing the dirty work for the planners who had to find a way to replace the old system with the one they want next. All I see is that we are running flat out along that plan for them. Jeez, at this rate they'll be ready to drop the world economy in a ruck and deal the cards out within a year or two, thanks to all the help they've recently received from these new internet age upstart activists who want to turn demolition of anything with an 'authority' into a lifestyle and a living.

Beam me up, Scotty.

[Christine]

Ah yes, well questioned Norman and indeed we need to answer these questions. Our job is to not be the "relatively confused and witless mass of 'activists' effectively doing the dirty work for the planners who had to find a way to replace the old system with the one they want next."

So how do we effectively unplug and still play the game? Isn't that what we on Avalon and beyond have been working on? It is the big question and the big challenge.

The thing is that we need to keep pushing this forward and not fall back. In spite of the appearance of no real change things are shifting. Every eye that sees shines more light, every mind that's freed is a multitude of minds. Every voice that shouts freedom (I accept my responsibility to be in control of my own life) finds a chord in another being.

I humbly submit that this is the only choice we have, each and every second of our lives.. .. will we get free? Some say yes and some say no. Your choice.





We need to use everything we have to show how corrupt and sinister these Overlords are. A superb opportunity just fell in our lap - are we going to be smart enough to use it to our advantage?

Dennis

Hi Dennis,

Are we going to be smart enough to make sure our 'spin' is both precisely applied and precisely received ?

If we are hoping to weaken or take down anyone, we have to make sure we are not doing the demolition work on behalf of the the bunch who are flat out reducing our world to rubble right now in order to build their new world order.

How do we differentiate, for the "masses", between the guys the new world order elite want to take the hits for all these breaking public scandals, and the new world order elite themselves.

We still live in a world where most of the population think a rich person is someone who owns a yacht. A whole battle fleet isn't even on most people's radar.

I'm feeling battered by so many 'scandals' coming out in the open these days. As far as I can tell, no a one of them, so far, has severed to do anything other than make the population hate the current national power structures and the establishment scoundrels who lurk there abouts up to no good.

I simplistic understanding of it might be excited by the falling from grace of these scoundrels and fall for what I think is the biggest con about all this. As the little people applaud the the collapsing of these national dirt bags and salivate themselves into a frenzy of anticipation of "change", what do you think will be the change offered up to them - that couldn't have been offered until the old structures were derelict ?

It amazes me that there aren't very many people seeing this for what it really is. There's a LOT of "activists" out there but very very few of them are yet aware that the tearing down they are working so hard at is the tearing down of the old to create the new world order in it's place.

I'll concede that the nwo elite are possibly taking a chance on it right now. They are surely calculating that when enough destruction has been done, they can flip a few switches and take the initiative all away from us again and step in with big feet and stamp out their new deal at the point of a metaphorical gun.

Who knows, maybe they've miss calculated. Maybe we are going to take this all the way to their demise. yea, maybe, and maybe not. I'll keep hoping as much as anyone else does, but, I've still not seen even a tiny hint that those crooks have been out paced by the rest of the human race and heading for a crash of their control over us. Not a tiny hint yet.

Even now with all that's going on and all that's coming out of the woodwork, I only see a relatively confused and witless mass of 'activists' effectively doing the dirty work for the planners who had to find a way to replace the old system with the one they want next. All I see is that we are running flat out along that plan for them. Jeez, at this rate they'll be ready to drop the world economy in a ruck and deal the cards out within a year or two, thanks to all the help they've recently received from these new internet age upstart activists who want to turn demolition of anything with an 'authority' into a lifestyle and a living.

Beam me up, Scotty.

[naste.de.lumina]

Ah yes, well questioned Norman and indeed we need to answer these questions. Our job is to not be the "relatively confused and witless mass of 'activists' effectively doing the dirty work for the planners who had to find a way to replace the old system with the one they want next."

So how do we effectively unplug and still play the game? Isn't that what we on Avalon and beyond have been working on? It is the big question and the big challenge.

The thing is that we need to keep pushing this forward and not fall back. In spite of the appearance of no real change things are shifting. Every eye that sees shines more light, every mind that's freed is a multitude of minds. Every voice that shouts freedom (I accept my responsibility to be in control of my own life) finds a chord in another being.

I humbly submit that this is the only choice we have, each and every second of our lives.. .. will we get free? Some say yes and some say no. Your choice.



Very good Christine.
I'm sure our consciences are free, light and loose.
That in itself is of great importance.
At most, continue pressing to occur the same with the rest.
An old paradigm has to turn to dust again so that another can take its place.
We have to make sure that we the people will be in control of the new paradigm.
Hug.

[naste.de.lumina]

Meanwhile to inspire..'Why Shouldn't I Work for the NSA?'.
ghpeshRDE8g

[bogeyman]

Meanwhile to inspire..'Why Shouldn't I Work for the NSA?'.
ghpeshRDE8g


;):cool:..a few good points there I think.

[gripreaper]

This is going around on my Facebook friends timelines.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1012125_4939927025197_384096613_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1012125_4939927025197_384096613_n.jpg

[Carmody]

The elitists have no problem with people being activists and helping create change; helping grease the old system into something new.


They have a real and serious problem if you attempt to step in and be physically active and take charge.

That is when they come after you with literal hammer blows.

For if you don't physically take charge and lead change into existence (physical presence at a protest at a minimum, to start), they will be doing it for you. Which is entirely their game, right now. Whine and mutter all you want (it helps both them and you) - but don't get real.

Getting real is the only thing that is going to bring in real change. Anything else is their spin on the basics, which becomes their aims as a default that arises out of the basics. The basics begin with physical and real involvement.

Your quandary, is to be be able to reference your core understanding at any given moment and remain in the correct mindset ...and thus - correct action at any given moment.

The manipulation of the average person's 'smaller circle of logic' is the game they play. Limited awareness is the core requirement for manipulating 'people' or the masses. Manipulation requires that confusion about basics/fundamentals remain in play.

[gripreaper]

Here is what Obama said in 2007. Juxtapose that against what he said in my post above.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs&feature=player_embedded

[jimmer]

yes, dennis.
it's the message, the information, the outrage, not the messenger.
and what are 'they' going to do about it?
nothing, unless we push for reforms, new officials, new representation, new outcomes.

[Dennis Leahy]

We need to use everything we have to show how corrupt and sinister these Overlords are. A superb opportunity just fell in our lap - are we going to be smart enough to use it to our advantage?

Dennis

Hi Dennis,

Are we going to be smart enough to make sure our 'spin' is both precisely applied and precisely received ?

If we are hoping to weaken or take down anyone, we have to make sure we are not doing the demolition work on behalf of the the bunch who are flat out reducing our world to rubble right now in order to build their new world order.

How do we differentiate, for the "masses", between the guys the new world order elite want to take the hits for all these breaking public scandals, and the new world order elite themselves.

We still live in a world where most of the population think a rich person is someone who owns a yacht. A whole battle fleet isn't even on most people's radar.

I'm feeling battered by so many 'scandals' coming out in the open these days. As far as I can tell, no a one of them, so far, has severed to do anything other than make the population hate the current national power structures and the establishment scoundrels who lurk there abouts up to no good.

I simplistic understanding of it might be excited by the falling from grace of these scoundrels and fall for what I think is the biggest con about all this. As the little people applaud the the collapsing of these national dirt bags and salivate themselves into a frenzy of anticipation of "change", what do you think will be the change offered up to them - that couldn't have been offered until the old structures were derelict ?

It amazes me that there aren't very many people seeing this for what it really is. There's a LOT of "activists" out there but very very few of them are yet aware that the tearing down they are working so hard at is the tearing down of the old to create the new world order in it's place.

I'll concede that the nwo elite are possibly taking a chance on it right now. They are surely calculating that when enough destruction has been done, they can flip a few switches and take the initiative all away from us again and step in with big feet and stamp out their new deal at the point of a metaphorical gun.

Who knows, maybe they've miss calculated. Maybe we are going to take this all the way to their demise. yea, maybe, and maybe not. I'll keep hoping as much as anyone else does, but, I've still not seen even a tiny hint that those crooks have been out paced by the rest of the human race and heading for a crash of their control over us. Not a tiny hint yet.

Even now with all that's going on and all that's coming out of the woodwork, I only see a relatively confused and witless mass of 'activists' effectively doing the dirty work for the planners who had to find a way to replace the old system with the one they want next. All I see is that we are running flat out along that plan for them. Jeez, at this rate they'll be ready to drop the world economy in a ruck and deal the cards out within a year or two, thanks to all the help they've recently received from these new internet age upstart activists who want to turn demolition of anything with an 'authority' into a lifestyle and a living.

Beam me up, Scotty.

Somehow, I did not keep up with this thread, and apologize for being late in reading the last 5 or 6 replies.. and replying.

Norman, you bring up some interesting points, and maybe you play chess at a level I can't imagine. The way I see it, those in control, at the top tier, don't need activists doing anything, whether screaming with a sign on a street corner, blogging, or taking a case to the Supreme Court, or doing nothing. The US government (pawns of the Ultra-Elite) simply make up the rules as they go along, and a single barking dog can move a thousand sheep. They don't need activists to tear anything down. 9/11 already (evidently) permanently frightened two-thirds of the US population into full submission - full acquiescence to whatever the protective overlords do.

Virtually all US activists focus on (or react to) one single issue (war, GMO, health care, fracking, pipelines, etc.), or are content to be simply blogging out the latest news. The single issue people seem to have no idea that they are dealing with a brick wall, and that absolutely nothing will come of their activism.

There are a couple of activist groups that do understand that the key is that citizens have no representation, and focus their energy on trying to change something about the electoral process to enable populace-focused representatives to get elected. However, they fall short of understanding the electoral paradigm's real control structure, and even if they were wildly successful, nothing would really change. (They are either left gatekeepers, or else do not see that the specifics of what they are focused on - overturning a SCOTUS decision or simple campaign finance reform - is not nearly enough to actually create a change in power from plutocrat-centered to citizen-centered governance.)

That's my observation. The Reset Button document was an attempt to "blow the whistle" to show the major pieces of the electoral paradigm's real control structure - and what would actually be required to change it so that we end up with a citizen-centric government not under the direct control of the globalists via corporatists.

I have to disagree with this:

I only see a relatively confused and witless mass of 'activists' effectively doing the dirty work for the planners who had to find a way to replace the old system with the one they want next. All I see is that we are running flat out along that plan for them. Jeez, at this rate they'll be ready to drop the world economy in a ruck and deal the cards out within a year or two, thanks to all the help they've recently received from these new internet age upstart activists who want to turn demolition of anything with an 'authority' into a lifestyle and a living.because the activists are not actually causing any change. Nothing has been done to replace the old with the (activist-visualized) "new", and none of the old has been torn down by activism. The noose has tightened, not loosened. The wall has grown stronger, not weaker. That which has been torn down was torn down deliberately by the global controllers themselves (for example, taking manufacturing - which is self sufficiency - to other remote countries, and taking over the bulk of food production by giant agribiz, even before GMOs hit the scene. Dependent slaves are easy to manage.)

I agree that the activism is confused. Very confused.

What's better (or worse): activists all giving up and lining up for a barcode tattoo and a biometric chip, or activists continuing to display passion and a willingness to fight? I'll go with the latter, and try to direct the energy into a cohesive group with a comprehensive plan and strategy towards the goal of citizen-centric government.


It amazes me that there aren't very many people seeing this for what it really is. There's a LOT of "activists" out there but very very few of them are yet aware that the tearing down they are working so hard at is the tearing down of the old to create the new world order in it's place.But the Controllers can tear down whatever they want and erect whatever they want. In a way, I think it is funny that people are waiting for the new world order when it is already here - just like people talk about WWIII as if it is coming later, when it is simply being waged a different way than WWII and WWI. Does the new world order officially begin when there is only one uniform for 7 billion people? Or when individual nations cease to exist?

I think the NWO is here right now, not coming soon. We are caged and we lock our own jail cells. The Global Rulers do anything they want. Why would they care if we pretend our nations have boundaries and we wave flags? It's part of the circus. It keeps us amused - and divided. The NWO was never about a one world currency. Why the hell would they care if there was one currency? One world government? Why? They already rule the world by controlling all the governments.

When one of the mid-level slave handlers (who is himself a slave) informs the rest of the slaves about some specific atrocity or gambit, some of the slaves grumble and some of the slaves say the mid-level slave handler is a double agent or was unwittingly directed to spill the beans. The latter only makes sense if you think the slave owners don't already own the plantation.

I think (and my gut feels) that Snowden is a real whistleblower, a mid-level slave handler (who is himself a slave) who informed the rest of us slaves about a specific gambit. I think the Global Rulers don't laugh at George Carlin routines, but they laugh so hard that their bellies hurt when we slaves vivisect a real whistleblower for them. No wonder they don't kill 6 billion of us quickly, we are so goddamn entertaining.

Dennis

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