Violet
14th June 2013, 07:21
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/regio/antwerpen/130614_DeWever_bevolkingsregister
Quick machine translation. Quite amusing ;):
Weaver wants Syria fighters deleted from population
VRT
Fri 14/06/2013 - 07:16 Dirk Reynaers The Antwerp Mayor Bart De Wever (N-VA), the Antwerp youth who actively fight alongside official in Syria deleted. Therefore they have no official address more and they lose all their social rights, writes Antwerp Gazette.
"The official removal of these people is completely under my jurisdiction," said Weaver in Antwerp Gazette. "It is a long process that has now been launched. On several checks we found that they no longer live in the city."
AP
The Antwerp mayor calls not pull. Young Muslims on this summer to Syria "Let your ears hang radicals. Chances are that you will not return from Syria, because it is hell," he warns in the newspaper.
Weaver estimates the chance anyway small that youngsters still will return. "This Antwerp jihadists know that a court case hanging over their heads. If they stabbing their heads above water again, they picked up", it still sounds.
According to Weaver talking about 22 jihadists who are all connected to Sharia4Belgium. "These are adults who householder and often their wives and children have come over to Syria and may not intend to ever return," says Weaver in the radio news.
"We give the signal that they can not return," said Weaver. "It's way too crazy that people have about social rights and should receive unemployment benefits, for example to finance their fight. It would be mind-boggling that something still could."
The Antwerp Mosque Dome also lose its accreditation. The Dome was founded by converts. Security talk about a breeding ground for radicalization.
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Okay, I'm going to take a small turn here. Unless these freedom fighters have Belgian citizenship they could - more or less, because the mayor also plans to have them arrested upon return, if - be alright despite removal from the register.
However, over the past few years there have been several discussions and amendments to legislation (http://www.kruispuntmi.be/vreemdelingenrecht/wegwijs.aspx?id=74) relating to the application for Belgian citizenship (please, run another machine translation if you will:ranger:). To go short, it has been made very difficult for the current target group to obtain citizenship since these people do not in great numbers have a high school certificate nor have they in massive numbers relevant work experience amounting to 400 or so days.
Now, this on the one hand sends a clear message: we only want to give citizenship to educated/civilised (see integration course) people that work or have worked in the past. Reminds me a bit of Canada. This is not necessarily bad because it could motivate people to develop themselves and expand their potential.
There's a hidden danger on the other hand, which is illustrated in the above article. If such an immigrant (during the non-Belgian-citizenship-period in which he or she makes (no) effort to develop) commits or falls under the mere suspicion of having committed some crime it should be far easier to remove him or his rights than if he has Belgian citizenship, in which case he should be treated like a Belgian, who are rarely forced to go into exile any more.
And really, to understand this, one must delve into some articles about the justice department and the growing problem of room shortage in prisons. The Belgian state has tried to reach agreements with some of the origin countries of detainees to take back the prisoners but these haven't always proven successful because quite a number of detainees have Belgian citizenship which can't simply be stripped nor can these people therefore just be put out of the country. And this to the government has been a real pain in the :tape: Also, some origin countries do not wish to assume responsibility for somebody who eventually was born, raised and developed into a criminal in another country.
Now we have this new citizenship legislation in place and very probably in the future less immigrants will obtain Belgian citizenship and very probably too this will not stop them from residing in the country as a foreigner. However, these people will always have to be on their guard for falling under suspicion and having everything what they built up taken away from them. I wonder what kind of atmosphere that would be and what could rise from such tensions and fears.
Quick machine translation. Quite amusing ;):
Weaver wants Syria fighters deleted from population
VRT
Fri 14/06/2013 - 07:16 Dirk Reynaers The Antwerp Mayor Bart De Wever (N-VA), the Antwerp youth who actively fight alongside official in Syria deleted. Therefore they have no official address more and they lose all their social rights, writes Antwerp Gazette.
"The official removal of these people is completely under my jurisdiction," said Weaver in Antwerp Gazette. "It is a long process that has now been launched. On several checks we found that they no longer live in the city."
AP
The Antwerp mayor calls not pull. Young Muslims on this summer to Syria "Let your ears hang radicals. Chances are that you will not return from Syria, because it is hell," he warns in the newspaper.
Weaver estimates the chance anyway small that youngsters still will return. "This Antwerp jihadists know that a court case hanging over their heads. If they stabbing their heads above water again, they picked up", it still sounds.
According to Weaver talking about 22 jihadists who are all connected to Sharia4Belgium. "These are adults who householder and often their wives and children have come over to Syria and may not intend to ever return," says Weaver in the radio news.
"We give the signal that they can not return," said Weaver. "It's way too crazy that people have about social rights and should receive unemployment benefits, for example to finance their fight. It would be mind-boggling that something still could."
The Antwerp Mosque Dome also lose its accreditation. The Dome was founded by converts. Security talk about a breeding ground for radicalization.
----
Okay, I'm going to take a small turn here. Unless these freedom fighters have Belgian citizenship they could - more or less, because the mayor also plans to have them arrested upon return, if - be alright despite removal from the register.
However, over the past few years there have been several discussions and amendments to legislation (http://www.kruispuntmi.be/vreemdelingenrecht/wegwijs.aspx?id=74) relating to the application for Belgian citizenship (please, run another machine translation if you will:ranger:). To go short, it has been made very difficult for the current target group to obtain citizenship since these people do not in great numbers have a high school certificate nor have they in massive numbers relevant work experience amounting to 400 or so days.
Now, this on the one hand sends a clear message: we only want to give citizenship to educated/civilised (see integration course) people that work or have worked in the past. Reminds me a bit of Canada. This is not necessarily bad because it could motivate people to develop themselves and expand their potential.
There's a hidden danger on the other hand, which is illustrated in the above article. If such an immigrant (during the non-Belgian-citizenship-period in which he or she makes (no) effort to develop) commits or falls under the mere suspicion of having committed some crime it should be far easier to remove him or his rights than if he has Belgian citizenship, in which case he should be treated like a Belgian, who are rarely forced to go into exile any more.
And really, to understand this, one must delve into some articles about the justice department and the growing problem of room shortage in prisons. The Belgian state has tried to reach agreements with some of the origin countries of detainees to take back the prisoners but these haven't always proven successful because quite a number of detainees have Belgian citizenship which can't simply be stripped nor can these people therefore just be put out of the country. And this to the government has been a real pain in the :tape: Also, some origin countries do not wish to assume responsibility for somebody who eventually was born, raised and developed into a criminal in another country.
Now we have this new citizenship legislation in place and very probably in the future less immigrants will obtain Belgian citizenship and very probably too this will not stop them from residing in the country as a foreigner. However, these people will always have to be on their guard for falling under suspicion and having everything what they built up taken away from them. I wonder what kind of atmosphere that would be and what could rise from such tensions and fears.