I am invisible ...

[Bill Ryan]

... and so are you. :)

Here's an anecdote of a massive benefit someone got from a Ron's Org (scientology) auditing (counseling) session that turned their life around. (I don't actually know this person; it was told to me by the person's auditor.)

They realized -- a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE."

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.

[Limor Wolf]

The advantage in this case is also a weakness, why can't we see someone for what they are? Why can't we observe all the convolusions and the constant changes of the spirit and the soul in the body? This is the weakness of our society, therefore we can indeed control how we are percieved. but is it reallly important, how we are being percived?
Or maybe it is truly more important to be who we are - with the desire to be better human beings. That can potentially change our life and relationships as well

[ExomatrixTV]

good one :)

[ThePythonicCow]

From what I can tell, people, at the most common levels, don't really connect with what's inside other people - they don't see it. One is indeed invisible - on those common levels. In other words, I find that people don't really worry about who I am, just so long as I don't intrude on who they are (such intrusion can happen in a variety of ways, some subtle.)

However ... I suspect there are other levels, on which people do connect with more profound awareness. Operating at those other levels requires respectful treatment on the more common levels as a prerequisite however

[Eram]

That's really a nice realization Bill.

Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

I AM INVISIBLE!

That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

this however:


"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course ;)

The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.

[Agape]

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

And above and beyond that .. the only thing the others can see is what their senses and brains can proceed . Not only they do not see YOU , they do not see how you behave either . Unless they know.

And how again , would they know else than by knowing THEM-SELVES.

In another words, there are many things beyond current stream of perception that we know about but can't see ..


;)


Such as in ''Where are the aliens''

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/06/invisible-aliens-extraterrestrial-life-may-be-beyond-human-understanding-2461048.html

[johnf]

Thanks Bill,
That brings to mind an experience where some friends who used to be in the church got an idea of why I might be having trouble doing what one of these people thought I should be doing.
They sat me down, and said it has occurred to us that we have been talking to you, and trying to help you, without actually locating you first.
And I brightened up at that point and said I agree, then all three of us kind of looked around the body
trying to find "me". And all at the same time our attention went to a space about six feet behind my head, and three or so feet above it.
I experienced years (in a way it felt like centuries) of never being acknowledged fall way, and entered a state that lasted a while.
Then the Woman that was considered to be the leader of the group took me aside, and tried to explain to me how floating around outside your bady was not a good thing.
Well I can see how being disconnected would be bad , but there are reasons why there are rules against evaluation and invalidation, this was supposed to be a trained auditor , and for reasons of maintaining this idea of being senior to everyone , (I think) she had a tendency to stomp on peoples realizations.

The responsibility I have though is to take the win I got, and move ahead with it.

I have since had a lot of lessons about my choices of action , and the me that others will tag on me because of them. I am invisible, but I am connected to things that I affect that will create the me others see.

jf

[chocolate]

... and so are you. :)

They realized -- a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE."

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.

And if they really wanted to be perceived for who they really are, they need to act, speak and behave in accordance with who they really are!
Here, however, I need to agree that first we need to get to know ourselves on all levels we can master, and after that we can express our true nature.

I think the biggest struggle we all have in this life is to be accepted, honored, understood, loved, cherished, perceived in alignment with who we are inside, so the invisible part is our real problem. All the make up we put on, in any form and level, is simply to fit in, or stand out depending on our inner desire.

I had to discover that quite early in life.

That is how I understand Bill's idea behind the post.

[johnf]

That's really a nice realization Bill.

Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

I AM INVISIBLE!

That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

this however:


"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course ;)

The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.

There is the idea of flows here from myself to others , then they run that through their software then project it me back on me.

That is stuff that really does happen, but is invisible, in a sense empty.

The self is a space of emptyness around other spaces of emptyness, in a larger space of emptyness.

Yet the garbage can is full , and if I don't empty it who will.

Hmmm, maybe I have had enough coffee for one day.

jf

[AwakeInADream]

I am indivisible!:biggrin:(couldn't resist:o)
It's ultimately true though...

[Tangri]

That's really a nice realization Bill.

Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

I AM INVISIBLE!

That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

this however:


"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course ;)

The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.

Good point Eram,
I refuse to appear likable to affect person's perception about me. I am what I am, if
they want to like me they have to use their heart not eyes.

Most of the case I am invisible for others.

I am not going to insinuate myself into acceptation.

[Roisin]

The question is, how can we expect those whom we love to really know us and love us back not for the show we put on in front of everybody everyday, but as we truly are, if we are afraid of intimacy?

[bogeyman]

If you live in a large city even your physical form appears invisible to many.

[Hazel]

Thank you Bill and Limor for sharing the wisdoms about what true freedom is regards self-responsibility and our power over how we are perceived as individuals.

It then put me in mind of the importance of group responsibility, which is a mark of the collaborative drive of all the strong individualists drawn to the Avalon forum with a common ethos of concern for mankind collectively. We may all be dispersed geographically but the pulse of group strength and purpose is authentic and palpable here... something that brings me personally, an important 'visible' connection to something greater than myself that is meaningful, joyous and real.

'Lessons from Geese' is transcribed from a speech given be Angeles Arrien at the 1991 Organisational Developmental Network and was based on the work of Milten Olsen. Many are likely to have come across it before, but apart from its general efficacy.. it then me thinks, in some way acts as a metaphor for the organic machinations of our forum threads and posts... ;)

Fact 1.
As each goose flaps its wings, it creates an uplift for the birds that follow. By flying in a V formation, the whole flock adds 71% greater flying range than if each bird flew alone.

Fact 2.
When a goose falls out of formation, it suddenly feels the drag and resistance of flying alone. It quickly moves back into formation to take advantage of the lifting power of the bird immediately in front of it.

Fact 3.
When the lead bird tires, it rotates back to into the formation to take advantage of the lifting power of the bird immediately in front of it.

Fact 4.
The geese flying in formation honk to encourage those up front to keep up their speed.

Fact 5.
When a goose gets sick, wounded or shot down, two geese drop out of formation and follow it down to help and protect it. They stay with it until it dies or is able to fly again. Then, they launch out with another formation or catch-up with the flock.


N.B: if you find this all a tad naff and are squirming in your chair.. then acknowledge your tendency toward sollypsism and let it be.. (chuckle just having a lend!)

** As it must this Question also brings up: When are we not invisible?

In my experience congruence and being in flow with what is inner and outer at any given time influences how we are perceived by others. When that kind of balance is evident (going on in another I am perceiving).. they hold a certain kind of timeless energy in the space/the moment which attracts my focus of attuned attention, e.g in moments that are peaked by a holistic immersion of intimacy and connection with another. Nooo I'm not just referring to the oceanic /omebic symbiosis experienced during sex or when 'in love'.
For example: People tend to hold attention from others when they are authentically 'in their truth' and this can be expressed by an embodied state of quiet serenity or in passionate streams of being large in their compassion, joyousness, sorrow or grief. When others are in a primal place of connection to self or in true mindfulness toward others.. they are not missable.

Hmmmphh... you tube has many instructive videos on how to be charismatic, which has to be another order of opus operandum all together :(
.

[MargueriteBee]

I know some folks that I thought were dirt poor. I asked them out to dinner but they insisted on paying. When he opened his wallet it was stuffed with hundred dollar bills. After talking for awhile he explained that he put on an act at being poor because it stopped other poor folks from trying to get money outta them, it was protection. I later saw the inside of their house, it was full of expensive, beautiful artwork, but the outside looked plain and ordinary. They were controlling what other folks thought of them.

[BrianEn]

Very nice principle to live by.

[Belle]

When I read the op, the book "Three Magic Words" by Uell S. Anderson came to mind....it was a life-changer for me.

An excerpt from the book taken from page 11....



Today, with this first chapter, we ask you to begin to undo the Lock. We ask you to eradicate from your mind all notion of yourself that has to do with where you live, where you were born, what you have done, and what your circumstances have been. We ask you to concentrate on only one thing and that is the spirit within you.

This real you, this conscious hidden intelligence that exists behind your eyes, is
timeless, formless, and built from all the glory and magnificence that ever was. It is
not a name or a job or a home; indeed it has nothing to do with circumstance or
situation. The plain fact is that you exist. Dwell on that, nothing more.

I am.

Two more magnificent words were never put together. I am. This minute. This now.
All the time that ever was.


I had been 'invisible' to myself until I read those words...shedding the idea that I was the roles I played in life and the masks I wore, I took 'ownership' and responsibility for the life I live...and found true freedom.

By healing my own blindness, I have learned it is so much more important that I know myself, deeply, and live my life openly and honestly as I truly am than to be concerned as to how I am perceived by others...speaking for myself only here.

No matter what one does in life, some people will love you, some will hate you, some are apathetic.

[Sunny-side-up]

Who said that! 0;o
Oh sorry diden't see you there :)

Great post bill and I undestand, not sure If I fully abide by it tho?

I was once ill, bouts of depression, very shy and nervous, so nervous and self concuss that if I had to go out doors my muscles would tense up and i would not be able to walk or move fluidly.
I stayed indoors most of the time.
I was basically alone and lived inside my self, cut off from other beings, and cut off from the collective consciousness, I was invisible! Invisible in a very busy large city!
But I was happy indoors most of the time, doing my own thing which in turn re-introduced me to the collective consciousness and many new friends of worth. (My own thing was deep meditations and explorations of myself and beyond and art).

I was into art and it took me over for a few years (I did the Van Gogh thing). I with cloth dye brightly colored some light trousers (looked very much like tie dying) same with t-shirts etc, etc I wore these cloths outside and walked boldly.
At the time this was me, I liked me, I didn't care if anyone else didn't like me or understand me. Some people gave me the Peace sign and meant it some just for fun. Both I was happy with, I took it as I was giving them fun and or joy!
I was visible to the collective conciseness and so was strong, I because of those days still am strong. I FEEL visible to those I think matter and to those I want to share some part of myself too, but to a diminishing number of people I'm becoming seen as a being. I could say no one ever relay knows you! but nowadays I think that is changing we are becoming more aligned and transparent, our inner energies are being seen and shared and noticed! we are being seen.

chocolate

I think the biggest struggle we all have in this life is to be accepted, honored, understood, loved, cherished, perceived in alignment with who we are inside, so the invisible part is our real problem
agreed! but i also see it as:
'I think the biggest struggle we all have in this life is to accept, honor, understand, love, cherish, perceive in alignment with who we truly are inside, so the invisible part until we do these things is our real selves and the problem!'

BTW I really have experienced invisibility, back 20 years or more when I was going thorough an awakening, I experienced people walk straight into my while I was holding myself in a way of being (energy)(altered-state) it has started happening again which is great but not if your driving Doh.

sorry folks if I've rumbled on, gone off topic maybe but hope some of it still made sense!

[Sidney]

Difficulty lies, when one lives in a society, where we are judged mainly on outside appearance. So many women I know, spend hundreds, even thousands of dollars, to keep their youth, and have the right clothes, you know, keeping up with the Jones' scenario. I have never understood it. I am proud to age. Each wrinkle is a character mark. A symbol of my strengths, and endurance, achievements and failures. I have lived, and I refuse to be ashamed to show it. I will not connect shame, with age, otherwise, I will be pretending I am something I am not. I have not understood the point of being middle age and feeling like you need to look like you are 25. It is an obsession, especially in the states. I don't ever want to be afraid to just be who I am, the way that I am, and I suppose, it is because we are invisible. No one can see inside our head, at who/what we really are. Great thought provoking thread Bill!!!

[puurfectten]

wow..u guys sure know how to complicate things :)..

[puurfectten]

I always saw it as the opposite..no one can hide..details yes ...but to me it always was as if everyone was wearing themselves inside out..:)..so much so that it mostly doesn't matter what anyone even says its whats behind it that is almost the only thing I see..face to face that is..maybe i'm just weird :)..lol..I think it drives people a bit crazy...

[Hazel]

In answer to your comment re complicating things... sometimes keeping things simple takes a little preamble puurfectkitten :laser:

:p

[BrianEn]

I simply took this post as no one is going to know me as my true self. They will perceive me as they see my behavior dictates to them. Take Alex Jones as an example. He has given the perception that he is a loud mouthed boorish oaf at time. This may not be the way he is at home but that's how he can perceived by people who haven't taken the time to get to know him over an extended period of time when people usually get a feel for who you are.
Don't forget the sociopath who uses this technique for deception. They use charm and social graces to deceive their way into people's lives.

[7Seven]

Well...
Depends how deep you go., yes everything with visual capability does see you from light bouncing too and off objects. But how does it see you. Do you see someone, the same way i do? Your mind, your personality,Personal energy resonance. If you can tap this Well its hard to find evidence of telepathy but it does happen if you resonant right with another being and even if it doesn't, we are all link together, resonating in the same magnetic field from the earth everyday, How do you not know your getting fed thoughts from the planet? Thoughts are just resonating electrical signals.

Even if the stories of the illuminated families messing with the vibrations. How do you not know that everyone of your thoughts isnt being controlled by someone else. Do you even you exist or are you just a program in just a really sophisticated system. That with enough energy can be manipulated to control, Read, By anyone with the right capabilities.

I mean ive acquired alot of stargate documents on remote viewing. Do you know that the Chinese, have a lot of data. They once did this experiment where they got a gifted person. Placed them 12 Kilometres away and put a piece of paper upside down with a single character on it, on a table, In a dark room back at the base. Then teams on both sides coordinated with each other and when the kid was put in to hypnosis. They Measured time, Photons, magnetic fields, emr, temperature. The person(while in trance) reported back correctly the character and at the same time registered a change in the photons in the room. Although out of the 100 trials only 47 worked every time their was changes in the Photons and sometimes even different emr were registered. How do you know someone isnt looking inside your brain, Reading your thoughts? Btw dont believe that or tell it to anyone. Try if it you want though

Lately I feel people looking at me and only seeing what society wants them to see, So i stay as quiet as i can But i dont care what anyone thinks anymore and starting to change. if they get me they get me, If i die, i die. One day ill get brave enough to tell everything to the world. But today. I am just me, a projection of my Dna. 46 chromosomes composed of million of strands of molecules composed of Carbon,Hydrogen,Nitrogen and Oxygen to program 24 elements to compose millions and trillions more even its so much to calculated (6 billion carbon atoms fit on a millimetre) to build cells to tissues to compose 11 organ systems to make one beautiful organism control by electrical energy generated by Hydrochloric acid breaking apart C,H,N,O+ other elements+H20 to give me the ability to live,love, move and gives energy to the brain to think to live, move and love, stuck in a controlled society that doesn't understand me. Born to be a perfect solider but doesn't want to fight. Trapped on this magnetic, rotating, resonating, orbiting orb of wonder. Destined to die but chooses to die happy. I always think of C.s Lewis's quote of:
" You dont have a soul
You have a body
You are a soul"

So True enlightenment/knowledge is the game. Survival is the aim. People are what matter, so many need help and cant be helped and most will never be helped. But the world keeps turning and people keep earning but i keep yearning.... for truth

I wonder what my thoughts would look like? I wonder what it would be like to look at your own thoughts? Would you see they them different then if you thought them?

conclusion..
Am i invisible.... I wish
Do i exist.... apparently.
am i visible... apparently.
Is my mind invisible.... maybe depends how much you know....
Do i think... Too much
lol

[sirdipswitch]

wow..u guys sure know how to complicate things :)..


This forum excels at it... :wizard:

[puurfectten]

u guys r funny..:)..when I read the thread from top to bottom before I posted I just found it fascinating...it's all good...I think maybe just growing up as an identical twin I maybe naturally developed a different way of interacting with other humans..:)..kind of the just cut through all that surface scratch stuff and just deal with whats behind it all..where we are all pretty much the same....and then u go deeper and we are all one anyway...ecen though in regular life it's well hidden behind all the "perceived invisibility"..if u look...its really not..it"s hiding in plain sight..sorry about my typing..i"m just a carpenter..lol..see there I go..:)..

[fbs_brazil]

I am invisible too!! errrr.....no.

http://www.canalgama.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/capa-invis%C3%ADvel-.png

[Carmody]

That's really a nice realization Bill.

Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

I AM INVISIBLE!

That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

this however:


"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course ;)

The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.

The opening statement is both true and untrue, which is part of it's charm. The point of realization and application is up to the individual. Open ended, not directed, which is critical.

[Peace&Love]

These are true words. I also believe that in some way making a connection with a human or other living being through your heart, with love and compassion makes the invisible into the visible like tuning into same frequencies together, and then what becomes invisible is the body and all that we see is the beautiful sole that we share time together.

[Redcolibri]

Eh eh,
I thought i understood at first reading and now, after cogitation, i'm confused : to be invisible or to be transparent ? :-)

In the second case there is no control and you have also to assume what you are... Most of the time without protection and people think they know who you are, but can they really now ? The book is open but what can we know about the author ?

And, in a lot cases, even with control, the body also talks a lot (a visible physical problem, the posture, a gesture even barely noticeable, a glance...), the words you use in a specific situation, perhaps a slips, the vibrations of your mental/thought ?

And, can i really know who i am, today ? Spiritually, energetically, personality, ..., more over if we tend and search to become what we are inside us, to approach some thing like the truth / knowledge about The realty... Hum so confused !
So, whatever the perception of the others, THE only thing i KNOW is that i try to keep control of my vehicle, on a bright road, if possible. Sometimes i could pass through a dark tunnel by mistake, it is slow but it brings new insights.
"Profound simplicity", finally not that much for me and, thank's Bill :-) , for this reflection i will finish in the arms of Morpheus ! But in french, how so hard it is to try to explain in an other language :-)

[Hazel]

Well said Redcolibri.. something like 85% of communication is non-verbal after all!

in which case we are moreover reading each other subliminally and screening what may be only the flotsam and jetsam' with the consciously directed aspect of ourselves... thats to say we are likely perceiving far more than we realise when around others/even when passing a face in the crowd.

Which brings up: just how invisible are we to ourselves.. and our own machinations.

:faint2:

[christian]

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

I think this is only true if you have people looking at you that for one reason or another notice nothing but these things. However, psychics and intuitive people impressively prove that it's possible to see through the outer appearance. In the bigger picture, I actually think we're all as transparent as it gets, every thought and emotion that is inside us is also accessible by everyone who raises his, her, or its vibration to a certain point. Telepathy?


"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

Sure, we can put on an act, or behave with genuine integrity, all that has an influence on how other people see us. But all these things can be invisible to others as well. I remember countless instances where I was genuinely out to help, but the other person would see me as a hostile influence. And often all my efforts to come across in a particular way would be invisible to other people, although I tried very hard.

Even worse, other people would often see me as someone who I didn't think I was. That can happen easily if others distort their lense of perception and/or overly focus on a particular tiny aspect of me, after all we all have many many sides to our personality, I think.

Then there are also other layers... If you say to yourself, "I wanna be perceived as someone who is like this or that," then it's quite possible that you will be perceived as someone who wants to be perceived as being this or that. Or sometimes you only think that you are doing something of a certain quality (e.g. helping), when in fact you wrongly assess a situation and are truly of no help at all. Like trying to appear smart when you're stupid... :biggrin1:


At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.

I think that's funny and may well be truly wonderful. :) If this epiphany helped a person to move forward, then that's great. Still, I don't subscribe to this idea and I believe that eventually this particular person will look at this experience as another step in the evolution of his or her consciousness, not as an immovable or absolute truth.

---

While my actions and perceptions are essentially under my control and my responsibility, I think how others perceive me is up to their free will. Some people don't really assert their free will and can be manipulated rather easily, but I strive to create a paradigm where that isn't the norm.

I think given the fact that many people aren't really able to see all the things that can be seen—and I definitely include myself here—the focus should be on opening one's eyes and helping others to open theirs. :)

[Rosieposie]

I think that this is on a day to day basis true but I think if we go into a state of being with another person, then we can connect on a more intimate, authentic level. I think this is accomplished only when we love and accept another person in their entirety, which perhaps can only be accomplished once we love and accept ourselves so that there are no blocks between the two of you. I guess another lesson to take from it might be that we can see people more clearly when we view them with kindness instead of prejudice.

Oh yes and another thought, I find that at this stage in my life, after much work I am becoming more and more my own true self as opposed to myself through a lens of programming slipped in from childhood and find that people seem to respond to my openness and acceptance by being their own selves. Without judgement people seem to become who they are and we can see one another with much more transparency.

[Chester]

That's really a nice realization Bill.

Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

I AM INVISIBLE!

That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

this however:


"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course ;)

The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.

I see both Bill and you, Eram, to have a correct point and so how can both be right?

Bill describes the process this individual went through in their discovery of their own personal responsibility. The realization brings forth a more integrated being which now has greater control over their own thoughts, words (spoken and written) and actions (as opposed to being run by outside agencies as most humans on earth today appear to be). This discovery means that what they manifest is more genuine and that raises the probability that others who are more genuine see the genuine you. Because the actual you has no form and you finally "gno" it (gnosis).

And yes, to deny we all have (to some degree) our own filters (that influence how we perceive others) would be foolish, but if we look at things not as black or white and instead in all shades in between, I have no doubt a more integrated being would raise the degree of correct perception experienced by another being as to who one really is. This is the "more control" I believe Bill was talking about.

Integrated in this case implies the actual (invisible... perhaps unmanifest?) you to have achieved a greater connection with that manifest you.

[Sunny-side-up]

... and so are you. :)

Here's an anecdote of a massive benefit someone got from a Ron's Org (scientology) auditing (counseling) session that turned their life around. (I don't actually know this person; it was told to me by the person's auditor.)

They realized -- a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE."

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.

Good words/quote Bill thanks but:
the bit I've emboldened in your quote to me is not quite right to me!
We are governed by energies, we act and react moment to moment, moment to moment we are not in control, we fight to be so, we are not in control of our selves and so not our image.

You see we all act and react in a sea of energies and we unless well trained are at the mercy of our emotions.
We swim through a sea of energies and emotions a all of which are focused on us by other people which we subconsciously act, react to as our norm. So not own control, and so our perceived self/image is not ours. Not OURS-UNLESS we are in our Higher-State-o-Being, which most of us aren't in for many hours per day!

If you are in your Higher Self I know you inside-and-out and don't need to see anything of you! At this point you are in control of nothing at all, you are free of action, reaction and self and so past any perceived content!

Now!
When I meet a new person I always know if I will or won't like them straight away,
before they have even verbally spoken! But! I don't condemn them to never being a friend though, I just guard my output, I watch them. I'm nearly 100% right about my first view though...

So I have seen them (Visible) to the level I need to.At this level it's not a perceived image of them/you, it's an inner energy image of them/you which is closer to actually seeing THE-YOU!

My intuition is very tuned in this way! I don't mean I sense their 'Vibration-of-the-Moment' it goes to a deeper level of awareness.

This might be because I'm a very open person (Visually people might see me as immature and simple. I don't mean childish).
This intern has an opening effect of other peoples screens/energies etc! and I see inside just enough for me to know if I should exchange extra energies or not!

So I have seen-the-INSIDE-THEM (Visible) to the level I need to.

I don't put on my external image, it's natural, I'm happy with it but I understand it's use as a shield!

What can happen though is a person I don't like might seem interesting in some way, they say something I won't to investigate and I might start a connection/conversation, so extra energies are exchanged, I open up to them more and they in turn find me a deeper person and SEE-PARTS of the ACTUAL-ME.
This is done at personal risk. They output as well but I still see through any disguise, I still RETAIN the first impression (Vision) I had of them, the first IMAGE of them.

I, when opening up though open too far most times, but that is me!
I tend to open up and allow people to see me as a target, which induces them to show their real selves good or bad.
This I've done all my life and I have helped other people see bad people in turn but at my own sort of sacrifice?! I could say 'LOSS' but I GAIN more that I lose :)

My Physical-Image is very visible, too much so for my own good, UNTIL people have greater contact with me and so I start to become INVISABLE!!!
This invisibility is because my true self as with yours is so vast, too vast to be seen as a whole you.
If you can see deeper you see you find something like a black hole and you have gone past it's event horizon of me, now no light escapes to be seen (Of Us to the image world, so called reality) and we become singular and merged, we become one at this depth of trying to see
(Open both ways).
Singularity we see, we see and know each other inside-and -out because we are the same being, we are totally visible as conciseness but Invisible to the Matrix-World of images!

puurfectten

wow..u guys sure know how to complicate things ..

puurfectten things are very simple until you start to look..Which is what I/we all do here.
Things get complicated here in Avalonia because we (Members) all come at things from all angles, levels and walks of life!
I wish I could see/read all posts here, and understand all the angles of awareness, I would be a know as a great mystic/sage hehe.

Your lucky puurfectten to be able to cut to the case, and sieve straight through the chaff :) Gratz.

Mind though you don't miss some of the inner qualities other beings SHOWN (Visable) in their chaff...

I hope you find some little bits of worth in the mass of chaff I've just typed hehe.

Complicated as Avalon is it's still the place to be ha :)

christian

While my actions and perceptions are essentially under my control and my responsibility, I think how others perceive me is up to their free will. Some people don't really assert their free will and can be manipulated rather easily, but I strive to create a paradigm where that isn't the norm.

I think given the fact that many people aren't really able to see all the things that can be seen—and I definitely include myself here—the focus should be on opening one's eyes and helping others to open theirs.


You words are always concise and of great INSIGHT. I'm like you also in that I don't manipulate others for own bad reasons, but only in ways of good, which we all do in ever day contact!

Rosieposie and you justoneman posted as I was trying to do my post lol.
I like and apreciate your wise words aswell, in fact all posts from all lol


Love you all, Love all aspects and IMAGES of you all, seen and unseen...
You/We are in there somewhere :)

Addition:
In this screen shot it says 2 members and 8 guests viewing? One Member seems to be Invisible ??? haha
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z413/Alanshots/2-members-trimed.jpg

[turiya]

I am invisible... and so are you.
...a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE." "NO-ONE CAN SEE ME.

The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."
"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."
At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.

The only thing that can be seen is the outside appearances of anybody.
Having control over what others perceive is ludicrous, in my opinion.

It reminds me of a Sufi story:

THERE WAS A MAN WHO LOST HIS AXE, AND HE SUSPECTED THE BOY NEXT DOOR.
HE WATCHED THE BOY WALKING -- HE HAD STOLEN HIS AXE. HIS EXPRESSION, HIS TALK, HIS BEHAVIOR, HIS MANNER, EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM BETRAYED THAT HE HAD STOLEN THE AXE.
SOON AFTERWARDS THE MAN WAS DIGGING IN HIS GARDEN AND HE FOUND THE AXE.
ON ANOTHER DAY HE SAW THE BOY NEXT DOOR AGAIN. NOTHING IN HIS BEHAVIOR AND MANNER SUGGESTED THAT HE WOULD STEAL AN AXE.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/1stolen_ax4.png

The story shows that people are going to be people regardless of whether you think you can control what they are going to perceive, or not. Everyone lives in their own world. There are as many worlds as there are minds. Sometimes worlds come close, but that is only on the periphery. The centers of everyone else's world will remain separate.

Everyone has a mind. It is a wall that people live behind... it is one's personal prison. It is the lens that people look through to see the outside world they are living in. On the walls are beliefs, past memories, accumulated ideas & concepts. These accumulations are what color the lens that is looked through to see the world in which one lives.

One can become free from their own prison, but not capable of freeing others from their prisons.
The only way to clearly perceive others is to wipe the lens clean of clutter... in other words, dropping the accumulated garbage that one has collected, only then does one has a better chance to see the world as it truly is, rather than what one thinks, or believes, it is.

To say that you have control over how you are perceived by others, is to say that you have control over another, in what they think and/or believe - a.k.a mind control. This is entirely incorrect, imo, because, regardless of how you would like to be perceived, people will have a "freedom of choice"... People have a "freedom to choose" whether they want to drop their belief systems, ideologies & concepts, and past memories, or not. In other words, an individual has a freedom of choice to live in the delusions of their own choosing.

This also saying that it is not possible to cause, or force, another to become enlightened - to see clearly.

The responsibility is first, & foremost, to oneself of being able to see clearly. This may affect others, indirectly, as a consequence.
Consciousness can be contagious. It cannot be done forcibly, or be seen as a goal to be achieved for others.
Hence, responsibility can become contagious, it can be an indirect outcome from one being responsible for him or herself. Therefore, being responsible to oneself is a prerequisite to being responsible to & or for others. The same can be said about 'Love'. Loving oneself is, first & foremost, a prerequisite to being able to love others, or looking to be Loved by another.

turiya :cool:

[Mike Gorman]

I know some folks that I thought were dirt poor. I asked them out to dinner but they insisted on paying. When he opened his wallet it was stuffed with hundred dollar bills. After talking for awhile he explained that he put on an act at being poor because it stopped other poor folks from trying to get money outta them, it was protection. I later saw the inside of their house, it was full of expensive, beautiful artwork, but the outside looked plain and ordinary. They were controlling what other folks thought of them.
Yeah it's because most folks can't see for ****, they only look at the surface plane of everything-they take forever to even wise up tp the basic heart level, no wonder we are all becoming recluses...it's ****ing great !

[Jake]

I just wanted to point out here that, though you are all invisible,,,,

I SEE YOU!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A71gopP1SsY

(and, I will fly with you!!!!)

[Bubu]

“The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.” Nikola Tesla:sad::laugh::eek:

The Essence of the Genius is knowing what to ignore" Albert Einstein:wizard::kiss::playball:


"Peace be with you Fish be with me." nature:gossip::kiss::kiss:

[turiya]

And then, of course, there is the world of Derren Brown...

Derren Brown - How to be Invisible


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZX5iA92gTk

turiya :cool:

[CD7]

Hummm I suppose people can b invisible when being looked on with surface eyes....however when u look at them through the window to the soul eyes...its like everything else went naked and ur just looking through there window holes...seeing a more core being... hard to explain in words! As everything tht is deep is...ive noticed this in animal eyes too....its like ALL of our eyes are connected to a core....hummm the 72 eyes of god.....

[chocolate]

"God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day."

I see the people all the time, and sometimes they avoid me for this very reason...
Also, for some people who feed off attention - the moment they enchant you, you become invisible/meaningless and they start looking for the next one in line.

[turiya]

Tao: The Three Treasures Vol 2
Chapter 8, Question 6:

WHEN YOU LOOK AT US WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU SEE?

This question is from Pratima. I see the first layer, the Pratima which is not real - the pretension, the effort to show something that is not there.

Then at the second layer I see another Pratima, which is there, but which the first layer is trying to hide, to suppress, to push into the dark.

Then I see the third layer which is so unconscious that the first two layers are completely oblivious of it.

The first layer is consciousness, the second layer is subconsciousness, the third layer is unconsciousness - you are not aware of it. Sometimes the third layer comes into your dreams and talks to you and tries to convey some messages which in the morning you either forget completely or you remember fragments which mean nothing. Or you go to a Freud or a Jung or an Adler for interpretation, which is going to be false because nobody else can interpret your unconscious because it is an individual script. They can have generalized ideas about it but they won't be of much help. That's why every psychologist and every psychoanalyst has his own way of decoding it - and they are all right. Nobody can be proved wrong.

Only you can decipher it really: it is your unconscious talking to you, it is as individual as your thumbprints. Nobody else can do that work for you. Interpreters are not needed, more awareness is needed, more mindfulness is needed.

And then I see the innermost core, the deepest place, where no Pratima exists - the emptiness, the being as non-being.

When I see into you I see all these things, and you are also to become alert and to see all these things.

Become alert of the first Pratima.... The word Pratima is beautiful. It means image. Become aware of the first image which is false, a facade, a showpiece for the outer world, a show-window. You know it. It is not true.

Become aware. I am not saying you should drop the image immediately, because untruths can be dropped only when you have become mature enough to drop them - otherwise they are needed.

I'm not saying you should drop them abruptly. You cannot. If you do it will be suicidal. Let them be there, but you become aware and alert that they are false. When you are talking to somebody just see when your face becomes false; when you are smiling and there is no smile within; when you are showing that you are attentively listening and you are completely unlistening; when you show that you are sympathetic but not even a flicker of sympathy passes through your being. Be aware of this first layer. This is all that people know about each other.

Then the second layer, which you are suppressing, is continuously forcing its way up. It wants to come up, it is part of you - and it is truer than the first. The first is social, the second is natural, more authentic than the first.

I'm not saying you should allow it complete freedom - you will go mad or you will become a criminal and you will be caught and imprisoned. First become aware about it. Then when you become mature enough you can give it by and by a little more freedom, and that freedom will not lead you to anarchy. Then by and by, when you have become aware of the first two layers, your consciousness will be intense enough to penetrate the third layer, the unconscious.

To penetrate the third layer is very difficult because it consists of all your past lives, all the millions of past lives you have lived. You lived like a rock, then dissolved and became a plant; you lived like a tree, then died and became an animal; you lived like an animal, then died and became a man - millions of lives. Hindus say that everybody has passed through eight hundred and forty million lives in all. The third layer consists of all these lives, the whole cumulative effect - all the SANSKARAS, all the conditionings, all the karmas.

When you have dealt with the first two layers and you have become aware, not only aware, but master of them, now they are no longer masters of you but servants - as servants they are beautiful, they have much utility, but as masters they are dangerous - then your consciousness can penetrate the third layer. The third is the real struggle, and without passing the third, passing through it, one can never reach to the innermost core which you are in reality.

But I see all the four layers within you. That's why I sometimes call you fools - when I'm talking to your first layer. And, [then, other times] I sometimes call you Buddhas, when I am talking to your fourth layer, which is not a layer really but the ground of your being. -- Osho
Tao: The Three Treasures Vol 2 Chapter 8, Question 6 (http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/Tao_The_Three_Treasures_Volume_2/Osho-Tao-The-Three-Treasures-Volume-2-00000008.html)

turiya :cool:

[bruno dante]

Embarrassing confession: I actually thought Bill started this thread to announce he was going invisible...as in no green light when he's signed on to Avalon. I truly did. I actually clicked on this thread thinking: well this is sort of silly...

i'm gonna go with the triple embarrassment face here: :o:o:o

[Mike]

Embarrassing confession: I actually thought Bill started this thread to announce he was going invisible...as in no green light when he's signed on to Avalon. I truly did. I actually clicked on this thread thinking: well this is sort of silly...

i'm gonna go with the triple embarrassment face here: :o:o:o


me too. (though my pride will only allow me to go double embarrassment face:o:o)

[bruno dante]

Mr Chinaski, you've returned! I've damn near shat myself...

[Mike]

Mr Chinaski, you've returned! I've damn near shat myself...


thank you Bruno. that was useful:)

[4Talismans]

Once I was in the grocery store waiting in line to check out. After perusing the less than desirable reading available, I looked up at the people all around me. They were all glowing. Some brighter, and some a little dimmer, but they all had it.
Yes we are invisible. If we all saw each other for the luminous beings we really are, we couldn't hurt each other. We would know that we each carry divinity within and act that way.

[InCiDeR]

Interesting thread... because there were never nothing to "see" in the first place... still I "see you"....hmmmm

[Agape]

How Seeing comes to Being ..

8KtSmXHmiqA


He too is invisible


:hug:


P.S. : In accordance with the Great Whistleblower Tantra, should you watch the video 17 times with full attention , you will achieve unsurpassable level of Vidyadhara ( Knowledge Holder ) both here on Earth and always Beyond

Peace

:angel:

[judymoon]

I'll feel like I'm making progress when I no longer care how I am perceived. I think there must be great freedom walking through it all - centered in yourself, open to all 'perceivings' and desiring to control none of it.;)

[crosby]

i like being invisible. i know that those that love me will see me, and those that don't, well, who cares.
warmest regards, corson

[johnf]

How Seeing comes to Being ..

8KtSmXHmiqA


He too is invisible


:hug:


P.S. : In accordance with the Great Whistleblower Tantra, should you watch the video 17 times with full attention , you will achieve unsurpassable level of Vidyadhara ( Knowledge Holder ) both here on Earth and always Beyond

Peace

:angel:

Agape, I could watch it 17 times, IF I WANTED TO! But I have disappeared 2x already, and am afraid number 3 will be the last straw!

jf

[Agape]

Agape, I could watch it 17 times, IF I WANTED TO! But I have disappeared 2x already, and am afraid number 3 will be the last straw!

jf

Those tantras are really meant to work only under circumstances , for people who really NEED to disappear . ;)

[johnf]

Agape, I could watch it 17 times, IF I WANTED TO! But I have disappeared 2x already, and am afraid number 3 will be the last straw!

jf

Those tantras are really meant to work only under circumstances , for people who really NEED to disappear . ;)

Thanks, I geuss I got a ways to go before I am danger of being that invisible.

jf

[Agape]

It's like ..you pick up a quote ..such as the One you used in your footnote. Everyone pick ups a quote , some two or three .
Some one in human history, such as the author of such and such book said what you know already ,
your and his mind are connected . You can extend your thought as you wish . Those who come the next will then extend your thoughts to eternity ..

we all live hypermind, we share many thoughts and we have some of our own being born all the time


Illusion is what you can't CROSS .


:director:


I've heard the eagle cry ..

[Agape]

QCUCgbhMKRI

Happy Solstice :clock:

[Sunny-side-up]

Bill you are invisible and so is the ball oy0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVM6aE7lf0

[johnf]

I like the way it is put in the description of enlightenment thread.

I steal it from Tim, and Chris over there, and put it to use here.

The finger that points to the moon is not the moon.

However I live in a world where people are trained to stop at the finger.

jf

[Camilo]

... and so are you. :)

Here's an anecdote of a massive benefit someone got from a Ron's Org (scientology) auditing (counseling) session that turned their life around. (I don't actually know this person; it was told to me by the person's auditor.)

They realized -- a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE."

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.

Very true.

[Sean Ronan]

Great videos.

To resume: when you see, you become aware not only of your invisibility(Soul) but of Who you really Are as part of the Great Energy. When you just look, Soul is hidden behind flesh, it is like disappearing in a way.

Just a supposition,here.

[Dawn]

In my experience people generally project onto others what they would like to interact with. So, if they would like to be angry they will project a persona on someone around them so that they can 'fight' with that person. If they want to feel superior, they will project some sort of inferior personality on those around them.

So, people do not necessarily see what you do, how you behave, or how you look except through the filters they create.

I've been fascinated with this and in becoming aware of it. I've gotten to the place where I can actually be aware when someone else casts a 'persona' on me in order to have an interaction. I experience this as a 'net' of energy that is also a pattern. Being conscious of it helps me not to get caught in their creative web.

A number of practices help me to stay clear of these 'nets' (which are sometimes called 'glamours'). Here's a short list

1. Being aware of a 'net', sometimes I can see or feel it. But sometimes I just notice that my behavior is not in line with the 'me' I usually evidence in the world.

2. Using the 'Wands of Horace' is great because it creates a natural protective electrical field around me

3. Using sage and/or tobacco in my home and around my body if a personality change persists after someone leaves my presence

It took me a long time to be able to see this and I'm still pretty sure that I miss a lot of it. However we act, we are not in a vacuum. We almost never act alone... but always in concert with and in response to the people around us. And all of us are always creating our reality... which influences everyone else.

In particular, it is important to realize that most people 'PROJECT' what they don't like about themselves onto others so that they can begin to see it. For example a person who likes to victimize others will often believe that those around them are that way. By believing others are 'perpetrators' who are 'victimizing' them, they can rationalize their own behavior when they 'attack' the perpetrator. After all, if they viciously attack someone they perceive as attacking them first then they are the victim in all of it.

It really isn't my business what someone else thinks of me. My only business is what I think of myself. Wise words to live by

[johnf]

In my experience people generally project onto others what they would like to interact with. So, if they would like to be angry they will project a persona on someone around them so that they can 'fight' with that person. If they want to feel superior, they will project some sort of inferior personality on those around them.

So, people do not necessarily see what you do, how you behave, or how you look except through the filters they create.

I've been fascinated with this and in becoming aware of it. I've gotten to the place where I can actually be aware when someone else casts a 'persona' on me in order to have an interaction. I experience this as a 'net' of energy that is also a pattern. Being conscious of it helps me not to get caught in their creative web.

A number of practices help me to stay clear of these 'nets' (which are sometimes called 'glamours'). Here's a short list

1. Being aware of a 'net', sometimes I can see or feel it. But sometimes I just notice that my behavior is not in line with the 'me' I usually evidence in the world.

2. Using the 'Wands of Horace' is great because it creates a natural protective electrical field around me

3. Using sage and/or tobacco in my home and around my body if a personality change persists after someone leaves my presence

It took me a long time to be able to see this and I'm still pretty sure that I miss a lot of it. However we act, we are not in a vacuum. We almost never act alone... but always in concert with and in response to the people around us. And all of us are always creating our reality... which influences everyone else.

In particular, it is important to realize that most people 'PROJECT' what they don't like about themselves onto others so that they can begin to see it. For example a person who likes to victimize others will often believe that those around them are that way. By believing others are 'perpetrators' who are 'victimizing' them, they can rationalize their own behavior when they 'attack' the perpetrator. After all, if they viciously attack someone they perceive as attacking them first then they are the victim in all of it.

It really isn't my business what someone else thinks of me. My only business is what I think of myself. Wise words to live by

Thanks for sharing your wisdom on this.
I really think that it starts and ends with my internal patterns and reactions, (I think that is similar to what you are saying).
I have had difficulty dealing with the aftermath of my reactions to others, when I gave them something to react to, and it has only resolved to any extent when I can see that I was trying to defend some idea that I had of myself, or getting someone to agree with an idea about myself.
In the long run it seems to all revolve around some form of the idea that who I really am at the core is unacceptable.
As long as that is there, I will not be the invisible self who is happy with the effects they are setting in motion, and can see others reactions as their own business, and not get entangled in false guilt, etc.

jf

[jounai]

Many times the experience of life in a physical reality like here on Earth is called "The game of the infinite" or "The play of God". This is very much true since everything that happens everywhere is within God and has its place within the grand play of life. The poor, the rich, the ET, the planet, the star, the universe, the ant, the human, the hater, the lover. All of these expressions in physical reality all have their reality not only within God but also as God. There really is only one thing in creation and that is God. Physical reality is then a grand play of God where it plays itself through many different perspectives of varying frequency of experience. I'm God, you are God, the poor kids in Africa are God, the so called "ruling elite" are God experiencing itself through many different perspectives and realities.

This doesn't however excuse anything that happens that can be labeled fearful, hateful or suffering. It does however give a greater perspective of what is going on, which is one of my life goals. The portal or door to the higher vibrations of experience than we have here on Earth generally is to allow and accept everything as part of existence. The higher dimensions reflect an understanding that everyone in the experience of God is a complete reality in themselves. And whenever the being behind the person so to speak decides to experience an higher frequency reality the experience has to reflect that.

Haha, yeah this is turning into an essay. :blabla: I only have one more thing to say I think then we are done. I hope, and I bet you hope as well. :roll:
So, how does all this relate to the topic of the thread (yeah, it is a good idea to stay on topic)? Well, God is that which is invisible, that which is aware of the experience going on here. The invisible awareness that is just aware of when we are suffering, crying, laughing, loving, sleeping, dreaming etc. We cannot see the invisible because we are looking from the position of the invisible. And just like you have to look in a mirror to see your own eyes; God has to create this kind of experience to gain a greater appreciation of what God itself is.

End of rambling. ;)

[deridan]

...may I point out that the many ways inwhich we've attacked this, that the original sense is most probably,
once a persona is put out, it becomes almost caging or reinforcing that the next time one puts their head out, that they are expected to react according to those same personating-demography (silly, angry, sullen etc.),
where-as the revelation of invisibility is meant as a force that the person is actually free from that persona net, able to act in any way which they desire.

amidst the complification of matters..[like being invisible to others one would have thought one would have mattered too].., some beautiful thoughts flow out, like Dawns net of reaction above, a pricky subject I'd like to think more about

[CD7]

im invisible

[Mike Gorman]

This is a basic truth for Human existence, hence it is an Existential Axiom-we are profoundly responsible for ourselves; this reminds me of
a pithy little story: "A man one day said to the universe..."Sir, I exist!"-'However,' Replied The Universe "This does not inspire me to a sense of responsibility for you"
And this is the point, because we are so vividly aware of our own consciousness we gain the belief that our 'self' IS the universe; that everyone can 'see' us and know what we are,
Some lyrics from our friends 'Pink Floyd' 'No one knows where you are, how near, or how far' (Shine on you Crazy Diamond)It is both our burden, and our liberation.

[service2others]

I would prefer a rating from one to ten advertised on your forehead in relation to your vibration. 1 being complete asehole, and 10 being akin to Buddha or Jesus. It would make my existence down here a lot easier, and we would have complete trasparency. Nothing would be invisible.
..... i should rephrase, a number given to you in relation to your evolution, there, sounds better doesn't it.;)

[zen deik]

To be fearlessly visable is freedom ;)

[Kooqwena LittleOwl]

The invisible SELF is made of LIGHT & can be seen with the Inner Eye --- it is what ENLIGHTENMENT is all about! Meditative focused attention on the Inner SELF raises the vibration of the physical body & could cause it 2 literally disappear so a person can be invisible physically as well as spiritually.
The true Invisible self is Invulnerable & can't be touched by darkness!

[Cristian]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2011/10/21/21/little-owl-19578-1319247092-41.jpg

:P

[Battleaxe]

Don't forget the sociopath who uses this technique for deception. They use charm and social graces to deceive their way into people's lives.

You took the words right out of my mouth - this is what I was going to say! I think sociopaths/psychopaths realise quite early on that they are 'invisible' and they use this to their advantage.

However, are people truly invisible and do they have control over how they are perceived. Perhaps on a basic level. But human beings also process subliminal information, pick things up on a sub-conscious level and their judgements about a person can be based (unconsciously) on this. In psychology it's generally known that people believe body language over what is said. Body language isn't always obvious, for example it extends to those fleeting facial expressions we have no control over, which last a fraction of a second. The person we're interacting with will often 'pick up' these expressions on a sub-conscious level and base their analysis on this. Ask yourself if you've ever left an interaction with someone who was perfectly charming but it felt 'off' and you weren't sure why. Might have been that you were picking up body language cues subconsciously.

[GreenGuy]

The thought of being invisible to most - so much truth there! - gives me a clue as to why we sometimes cherish certain friendships so deeply. If we're lucky we get to meet a few people who really see us. It can be startling.

[service2others]

you are your own universe. whatever karma you have brought with you, creates your own world. Whatever you put out, is returned to you. You may be part of the paradigm we call earth, but as you can see, many have diverse experiences. You may find yourself in violence and abject poverty, or you may find yourself in very fortunate circumstances. The person in difficult circumstances may take on all hardship cheerfully and without complaint, the other in opulent surroundings may find life unrewarding and be negative. YOU are your own universe. You can also be an observer, but not a participant. Or invisible. It's up to all of us to evolve our consciousness wherever we are. You are a frequency that aligns itself to like frequencys. Peace.

[Crystine]

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

And above and beyond that .. the only thing the others can see is what their senses and brains can proceed . Not only they do not see YOU , they do not see how you behave either . Unless they know.

And how again , would they know else than by knowing THEM-SELVES.

In another words, there are many things beyond current stream of perception that we know about but can't see ..


;)


Such as in ''Where are the aliens''

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/06/invisible-aliens-extraterrestrial-life-may-be-beyond-human-understanding-2461048.html

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So it comes down to trust. How good of an actor you can be. How good another can act. Just another level of possible phoney folk. But we need to achieve another level of vigilance, so we are not fooled.. Someone could be a complete scoundrel, and if they play it right, you will think they are a darling? God spare me from any more mysteries. We have a more complicated time shorting out are daily encounters , than, if we're were all spies in a gigantic e espionage web. Give me a tissue. I am gonna cry.

[Crystine]

I know some folks that I thought were dirt poor. I asked them out to dinner but they insisted on paying. When he opened his wallet it was stuffed with hundred dollar bills. After talking for awhile he explained that he put on an act at being poor because it stopped other poor folks from trying to get money outta them, it was protection. I later saw the inside of their house, it was full of expensive, beautiful artwork, but the outside looked plain and ordinary. They were controlling what other folks thought of them.
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Ok. I am getting more confused by the minute. I thought we should willingly take care of less fortunate brothers and sisters. Apparently that rule is for some other guy. I have an uncle that is quite wealthy. He does this very thing. Pretends to be poor. So no one expects anything from him. But he is good at taking of others largess. We call him a hypocrite.

[norman]

So it comes down to trust. How good of an actor you can be. How good another can act. Just another level of possible phoney folk. But we need to achieve another level of vigilance, so we are not fooled..



Whaw ! CL........... Your "Ladies" thread left me in great doubt, but, what you have worded there is worth a proper poet's appreciation.

I'm not sure you are in this world, are you a visitor behind the 'savage' glass ? :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pesvNdDtRQQ

[Agape]

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

And above and beyond that .. the only thing the others can see is what their senses and brains can proceed . Not only they do not see YOU , they do not see how you behave either . Unless they know.

And how again , would they know else than by knowing THEM-SELVES.

In another words, there are many things beyond current stream of perception that we know about but can't see ..


;)


Such as in ''Where are the aliens''

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/06/invisible-aliens-extraterrestrial-life-may-be-beyond-human-understanding-2461048.html

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So it comes down to trust. How good of an actor you can be. How good another can act. Just another level of possible phoney folk. But we need to achieve another level of vigilance, so we are not fooled.. Someone could be a complete scoundrel, and if they play it right, you will think they are a darling? God spare me from any more mysteries. We have a more complicated time shorting out are daily encounters , then if we're were all spies in a gigantic e espionage web. Give me a tissue. I am gonna cry.


And above and beyond that .. the only thing the others can see is what their senses and brains can proceed . Not only they do not see YOU , they do not see how you behave either . Unless they know.

And how again , would they know else than by knowing THEM-SELVES.

In another words, there are many things beyond current stream of perception that we know about but can't see ..

It comes down to knowing in my opinion . Trust is born of ignorance and possibly leads to knowing . Acting is what people put on their faces . Knowing it's what you share by heart.

I can't care less if you are spy or not . It's your personality that matters ;)

[Crystine]

Just a little bit of information. Scientology is ran by the IRS in the states . Some kind of deal they worked out a few years ago. Google the scientologists. Take a look at who owns thier.headquarters. And the outline of their corporate structure.
Now what?

By the way she is the real me. I am really she. At least since shortly before that picture. That wide eyed wonder is still how I see the world. In all my years it still makes no sense.

[Crystine]

So it comes down to trust. How good of an actor you can be. How good another can act. Just another level of possible phoney folk. But we need to achieve another level of vigilance, so we are not fooled..



Whaw ! CL........... Your "Ladies" thread left me in great doubt, but, what you have worded there is worth a proper poet's appreciation.

I'm not sure you are in this world, are you a visitor behind the 'savage' glass ? :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pesvNdDtRQQ

I do not understand what you have said. I am not phoney. Nor a hypocrite. But hypocrisy is held in higher esteem.
What do you doubt? I will answer. Are you making fun of me?
What is the savage glass . I am not cruel or savage. But enough balderdash. Is enough. Please what do you mean. I am not complicated. I am tired of walking alone.

ASLAN IS MY HERO ! That Lion is not attacking. No teeth bared. He is only trying to touch her.

[Crystine]

Many times the experience of life in a physical reality like here on Earth is called "The game of the infinite" or "The play of God". This is very much true since everything that happens everywhere is within God and has its place within the grand play of life. The poor, the rich, the ET, the planet, the star, the universe, the ant, the human, the hater, the lover. All of these expressions in physical reality all have their reality not only within God but also as God. There really is only one thing in creation and that is God. Physical reality is then a grand play of God where it plays itself through many different perspectives of varying frequency of experience. I'm God, you are God, the poor kids in Africa are God, the so called "ruling elite" are God experiencing itself through many different perspectives and realities.

This doesn't however excuse anything that happens that can be labeled fearful, hateful or suffering. It does however give a greater perspective of what is going on, which is one of my life goals. The portal or door to the higher vibrations of experience than we have here on Earth generally is to allow and accept everything as part of existence. The higher dimensions reflect an understanding that everyone in the experience of God is a complete reality in themselves. And whenever the being behind the person so to speak decides to experience an higher frequency reality the experience has to reflect that.

Haha, yeah this is turning into an essay. :blabla: I only have one more thing to say I think then we are done. I hope, and I bet you hope as well. :roll:
So, how does all this relate to the topic of the thread (yeah, it is a good idea to stay on topic)? Well, God is that which is invisible, that which is aware of the experience going on here. The invisible awareness that is just aware of when we are suffering, crying, laughing, loving, sleeping, dreaming etc. We cannot see the invisible because we are looking from the position of the invisible. And just like you have to look in a mirror to see your own eyes; God has to create this kind of experience to gain a greater appreciation of what God itself is.

End of rambling. ;)
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Not rambling. A great telling of true. Yours is a gift of clarity.

[Crystine]

Norman said,

""I'm not sure you are in this world, are you a visitor behind the 'savage' glass ? ""


Norman
I am not sure who I am. Sometimes I just look at what I have written, and don't exactly remember writing it. My hand has to fly to keep pace with my thoughts. At any rate. I have much to wonder about.

[CarlS]

This is true but there is a bit more to the story of being cause over one's behavior. 99.99% still have what is known in Scientology as the "reactive mind." Someone who has gone down the rabbit hole might call it the reptilian brain.

Theoretically, it should be possible to rise above the reactive mind but in practice, it is not that easy to not react to upsetting circumstances. That is why L. Ron Hubbard wrote "Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health."

[K626]

... and so are you. :)

Here's an anecdote of a massive benefit someone got from a Ron's Org (scientology) auditing (counseling) session that turned their life around. (I don't actually know this person; it was told to me by the person's auditor.)

They realized -- a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE."

"NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

"Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.

Bill you are a card. :sun:

[Ulyse30]

L'invisible,bcp de connexions,de connaissances,d'évolutions volatiles,flash de flux,matrices se déplacer et se modifier,arrêter le temps ou plier le temps,etc,... dans les espaces invisibles,devient plus facile d'être invisible,camouflages,perceptions de mondes translucides,perçu ailleurs,de multiples facettes de nouvelles visions,les invisibles sont partout,même nous,nous le pouvons si nous le voulons réellement le devenir,pour un certain nombre de temps,tout dépend de votre état d'esprit,...

[joeecho]

Invisibility, 'we' all have it.

It is a multifaceted invisibility cloak.

People can go their entire lives living with a 'person' but not truly knowing who that person is.

Isn't it interesting that people can live together and still end up complete strangers?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/95/90/539590e57a6c3a540e87f9b246f8a780.jpg

[Constance]

I prefer the word "indivisible". :heart: