27 Edward Snowden quotes

[Bill Ryan]

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#1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "The majority of people in developed countries spend at least some time interacting with the Internet, and Governments are abusing that necessity in secret to extend their powers beyond what is necessary and appropriate."

#2 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "...I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents."

#3 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to."

#4 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "...I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

#5 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything."

#6 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your e-mails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your e-mails, passwords, phone records, credit cards."

#7 (http://www.naturalnews.com/040694_Edward_Snowden_Glenn_Greenwald_interview.html) "Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere... I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President..."

#8 (http://www.naturalnews.com/040694_Edward_Snowden_Glenn_Greenwald_interview.html) "To do that, the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that's the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends. So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting YOUR communications to do so."

#9 (http://www.naturalnews.com/040694_Edward_Snowden_Glenn_Greenwald_interview.html) "I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."

#10 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "...they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behavior in the world known to them."

#11 (http://www.naturalnews.com/040694_Edward_Snowden_Glenn_Greenwald_interview.html) "Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. ...it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life."

#12 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/intelligence-leaders-push-back-on-leakers-media/2013/06/09/fff80160-d122-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html) "Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest."

#13 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/intelligence-leaders-push-back-on-leakers-media/2013/06/09/fff80160-d122-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html) "Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten — and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state."

#14 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/09/us-usa-security-identity-idUSBRE9580DW20130609) "I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."

#15 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."

#16 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong."

#17 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act."

#18 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich."

#19 (http://www.naturalnews.com/040694_Edward_Snowden_Glenn_Greenwald_interview.html) "The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things... And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny."

#20 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

#21 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "You can't come up against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and not accept the risk."

#22 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "I know the media likes to personalize political debates, and I know the government will demonize me."

#23 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."

#24 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end."

#25 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "There’s no saving me."

#26 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night."

#27 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "I do not expect to see home again."

[bogeyman]

28#I'm F**ked

Is the one you missed out.

[Bill Ryan]

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#28 might be:

"Standing alone, I am vulnerable, and my story can be swept aside. But if everyone I know doing a job like mine were to speak out in public the way I know they've been doing in private, there would be hundreds of people all stating the truth in a chorus that could not be ignored. And then the world would change."

[bogeyman]

If he doesn't find another location soon he will be arrested and a one side court hearing, which will may be in camera.

[northstar]

#24 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end."

#25 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "There’s no saving me."

#26 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night."

#27 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "I do not expect to see home again."

Edward Snowden is a hero.

[Operator]

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#19 (http://www.naturalnews.com/040694_Edward_Snowden_Glenn_Greenwald_interview.html) "The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change.
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That's my biggest fear in general too ... that nothing will change anytime soon.

I want my kids to experience another world than this one.

[northstar]

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#28 might be:

"Standing alone, I am vulnerable, and my story can be swept aside. But if everyone I know doing a job like mine were to speak out in public the way I know they've been doing in private, there would be hundreds of people all stating the truth in a chorus that could not be ignored. And then the world would change."

We are many. They are few.
Together, we have the power to stop this.

[naste.de.lumina]

Maybe..Why Shouldn't I Work for the NSA?
ghpeshRDE8g

[Sunny-side-up]

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#28 might be:

"Standing alone, I am vulnerable, and my story can be swept aside. But if everyone I know doing a job like mine were to speak out in public the way I know they've been doing in private, there would be hundreds of people all stating the truth in a chorus that could not be ignored. And then the world would change."

LOL yeah Bill I would like to be a fly on the wall of his old office and all those like the one he operated in (But thinking about that? that would make me just like the NSA!) who would be watching who in there now if he had said that as #28!

[mahalall]

#13 "Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten — and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state."

#14 "I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."

Chitragupta in Hindu mythology is responsible for tracking people through their lives. He works for Lord Yama (death). Capturing our souls?

[Poly Hedra]

Did you put this together yourself Bill?
Those words are so gut-wrenching.
I hope to God that we change.

[Nothingness]

Why not just call the US government "god," and their policies: the "bible;" and the politicians, the "prophets," since the majority of people believe everything the government and media pump out is truth and for their well-being. (I'm kidding, laughing.) The government has become All Seeing, etc. And it's odd that this young man is sacrificing everything for saying publicly what a lot of us already know.

Yet, Kali Yuga (the age of "strife, discord, quarrel, or contention") started in 3102 BC and the supposed 10,000-year Golden Age intercession started in 1989? Hmm.

But I suppose we will all see what happens because besides "the government", there is a life outside and some wonderful things happening with people and their spiritual growth. Some people are already ignoring the government and going on a separate path. I think it is possible that the government may dissolve on its own once people reach a certain level of awakening and enlightenment because aggression really is lower chakra business, and "the government" is lower chakra business, too.

It's sort of like the cartoon: "The Road Runner." Eventually we will outgrow/outrun "the government" and its silly machinations, and it will basically starve to death without sustenance. What happens if no one shows up at the polls or taxes are ignored? Perhaps there will be a mercy and the whole plot of buildings and politicians in Washington, DC, will be sucked into a giant fault resulting from an earthquake that backfired as a result of HAARP. Who knows? Laughing.

[mosquito]

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#28 might be:

"Standing alone, I am vulnerable, and my story can be swept aside. But if everyone I know doing a job like mine were to speak out in public the way I know they've been doing in private, there would be hundreds of people all stating the truth in a chorus that could not be ignored. And then the world would change."

Is this going to be the thing that FINALLY makes Americans stand up and act in unison for the greater good ? If only

[ExomatrixTV]

When Freedom Radiates & Truth Resonates, Tyranny Falls.

Big Brother Surveillance Society is NOT there to "protect" you, but to protect the NWO Mafia, they know YOU gonna be -Mad as Hell- about their abuse of power !

Hijacked Governments Legalize Corporate Crimes & Criminalizing Real Solutions: Suppressed inventions & Alternative Cures, google "When Healing Becomes a Crime" & "Hemp Revolution"

"corporatism" = police enforcing new insane unconstitutional laws & regulations serving NWO Tyranny!

John Kuhles

[frodo13]

They are charging with spying for the Chinese and are trying to deflect all disscusions about the surveillance of all of us.Thats what everyone will talk about not the real problem.Most people will think about national sercurity not privicy issues.

The idea of mass amounts of data being collected about everyone is hard for the normal joes to think really effects them. It is all ways someone elses problem and they are just trying to protect us from terrorism.

[psydney]

#24 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end."

#25 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/code-name-verax-snowden-in-exchanges-with-post-reporter-made-clear-he-knew-risks/2013/06/09/c9a25b54-d14c-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html) "There’s no saving me."

#26 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance) "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night."

#27 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) "I do not expect to see home again."

Edward Snowden is a hero.

... and a martyr

[sirdipswitch]

Most, are not us.

Most, watch the nightly news... and believe it.

Most, are still asleep.

Most, do not believe... us.

[Cidersomerset]

Ron Paul: NSA Whistleblower Snowden in a 'Hero' // Ron Paul Blasts NSA Defenders On Piers Morgan: 'You're Justifying Dictatorship



Ron Paul: NSA Whistleblower Snowden in a 'Hero'



Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89ClXEveeo



Published on 10 Jun 2013


Former GOP Presidential candidate Ron Paul says the Obama administration's program
to collect data from Americans' phone calls is 'crazy' and that the president's claim that
the administration isn't listening to your phone calls is untrue.





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Ron Paul On CNN Destroys The NSA Over The Verizon Spying Scandal



Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjfS2cAaf1g



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Ron Paul Blasts NSA Defenders On Piers Morgan: 'You're Justifying Dictatorship



Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znTk4XPH1Ys



Published on 10 Jun 2013


"To all of you who defend this nonsense, what should the penalty be for those who
destroy the constitution?" - Ron Paul

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60104-Ron-Paul-NSA-Whistleblower-Snowden-in-a-Hero-Ron-Paul-Blasts-NSA-Defenders-On-Piers-Morgan-You-re-Justifying-Dictatorship&p=688235#post688235

[Mike]

28#I'm F**ked

Is the one you missed out.

HaHa! Thanks for the laugh bogeyman:)

..but i'm afraid if he's f#cked, we're all f#cked as well.

indeed, we *are* Edward Snowden.

[RUSirius]

I just emailed my uncle who is ex CIA these quotes, here is the correspondence, make of it what you will, I'm not even sure what he means.

"So, Jeff, what do you conclude from all this? Remember what your own uncle has been up to his whole career."

"Hi Uncle John, no conclusions as of yet, just concerns, I could never forget you Uncle John or what you've done for your country and its citizens. I'm certainly not saying that all agencies and men/women within them are bad, how could I say that when I have you as an amazing character witness, and Uncle Bob in the NSA. There does seem to be something strange going on in this world right now, I do not trust or believe in the current leadership across this planet, Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing, in my opinion. Check out "smart meters" that are being used in replace of electrical meters and what they are really for. more surveillance. I'm aware of the adage that if you're doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about, but can I be left alone in my own living room, can I make some toast without someone else knowing about it, just sayin.
Love Jeff"

I could have said alot more, however it just wouldn't register with him considering his background, old school CIA.

!!!POST EDIT!!!!

I was most incorrect, I've been chatting back and forth, and clearly I sold him way to short, he's quite aware, should've know, smart guy.

[norman]

Bill, 99.99 percent of the public around the world are surely thinking he's telling us the US government and it's 'agencies' are out of control and bastardly.

Who benefits ?

[Agape]

In my best opinion ..but nothing more than opinion ..

just follow the logic , the bigger logic of events. It's getting really picturesque and ridiculous, witch hunt for individuals who made the critical step to greater transparency possible, at times when our governments are so compromised and ashamed to admit the measures they have approved ?

I repeat it's no news to most people with conscience that all personal data recorded somewhere can be used or misused. Whether NSA or another agency stores the information forwards or not, till it's on severs and in lets say, criminal investigations, it's an accessible information.

It better to tell this clear and loud .

With all the seriousness. On the other hand and return to the logic, democratic so called society by the name of it should themselves decide , and vote whether such policies resonate with their current level of social needs and customs or not,

why, if the US citizens or most of them lets say strongly oppose such measures, why can't you as a collective , in some legally approvable process, say 'no, we are opposing these measures' .

I'm not saying it's wise or unwise, that's not upon me to judge .

Think in their place, the security agencies, so if no such information should be accessible to them ,
how big is the chance that our privacy will be hacked and used by people without any sense of justice while those others , won't be allowed to intervene ?


It's as if these witch hunts are blinding everyones eyes , up to the highest places really . What is at stake ?

Fate of single individual who said something that everyone knew years ago that is coming ?



:wizard:

[Agape]

And if the above is not ringing true bells , and to avoid being labeled 'anarchist' or worse ..

could be that Edward is payed for all this big mumbo jumbo international drama to advertise the program openly and to play a scape goat at the same time ,
to scare the terrorists away together with everyone else who thought they can hide something ?

Sounds improbable but not impossible.

New styled agency operation advertisement for their surveillance program . Paranoia has usually, no clear cut edges and no proofs in hands, unless it's 'controlled paranoia' . That's far beyond my level of expertise. Too houman.


:biggrin1:

[norman]

'controlled paranoia'




You're not out of your depth at all. You're just getting going.

[Agape]

I just feel obliged at times at least, to read all these ugly news .

Read all the news at once then make sense of it .

Any 'normal whistleblower' would take his girlfriend and go to Iceland. What is the meaning of leaving her behind , take all the money and stage giving himself to Chinese who would treat him brutally if he was one of theirs ?

The NSA i suppose, can take him back anytime you want.

You may call the China 'your ally' in the news but from what I know , China is no ones ally. Except North Korea perhaps.
Their law system does not require even that much transparency as yours to put anyone to prison and Mr Snowden is looking for help there ?
In country where human rights are openly disrespected ?

How could he miss that really.

[norman]

I just feel obliged at times at least, to read all these ugly news .

Read all the news at once then make sense of it .

Any 'normal whistleblower' would take his girlfriend and go to Iceland. What is the meaning of leaving her behind , take all the money and stage giving himself to Chinese who would treat him brutally if he was one of theirs ?

The NSA i suppose, can take him back anytime you want.

Mu guess, right now ( it may well evolve ), is that the NSA have never let him go.

edit: Over 200k a year and you can't EVER even 'leave' the Royal Marines. Whose trying to make me laugh ?

We ARE talking about the N.S.A. here, echo, echo, echo, echo, ! !

[7Seven]

Omg, this is hectic. i only found out about this from here. Lol i should pay more attention too current events, thats what i get for not watching mainstream media.

He is a Hero. A champion for the revolution of the awakening of humanity
1984 isnt far away.

Surveillance of the people to the slavery of humanity. It shouldnt happen unless it was a two way street. equivalence. Where society watches big brother. Im pretty sure the majority of population wouldnt come anywhere near to the crimes of the Capitalist Corporations and the shadow agencies...Thats why Record everything out of the ordinary you see, even if it seems insignificant :) unfortunately most countries dont allow footage of law enforcement but if you see anything happen, Ninja some footage(safely) and upload it somewhere behind a proxy and back stuff up in a secret location.

Real eyes Realize Real lies
The truth is a lie, too keep the true truth a lie
Look at the eyes and not at the smile :)
Listen to the vibrations
Feel what you think
Taste the sensation
Speak the truth
unlock the 7 gates, Be one with the Multiverse and humanity not the fake society
Darkness Created
Die free, Live Happy and Safe
Trust is what destroys humanity :( pray that earthquake never comes
Be safe America move east within the next 17 years, just for good luck :/

197791

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc95/killzor69/32dcbfb1-572a-490a-b615-a9b291ea54c8_zps232119a0.jpg (http://s215.photobucket.com/user/killzor69/media/32dcbfb1-572a-490a-b615-a9b291ea54c8_zps232119a0.jpg.html)

[Agape]

We ARE talking about the N.S.A. here, echo, echo, echo, echo, ! !

Good that it's not prohibited . In China... we would get fired before finishing the comment .

Long live Edward Snowden on the Golden Island where birds in Golden Cages sing for Golden Seeds

Hope we're not getting to serious trouble though ,

it needs new whistleblower


:(

[norman]

We ARE talking about the N.S.A. here, echo, echo, echo, echo, ! !Good that it's not prohibited . In China... we would get fired before finishing the comment .

Long live Edward Snowden on the Golden Island where birds in Golden Cages sing for Golden Seeds

Hope we're not getting to serious trouble though ,

it needs new whistleblower


:(

Before we can have "real" whistle blowers we probably need an army to protect them. Until then, we will have to put up with overly cryptic nonsense from the whistleblower variety that don't feel too threatened for what they are saying.

Errrr, some of them may have told us something useful, but, it's very unlikely that they've given away much that's strategically useful to the side of this "court" that needs so much more before me can nail any crucial operators that would significantly affect the direction of travel with the timeline we are struggling over.

[Violet]

Everything about him was rather plausible. Except for #19, that somehow doesn't fit in.

And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny."

[Agape]

http://news.yahoo.com/german-spy-agency-plans-boost-internet-monitoring-spiegel-183933161.html

German spy agency plans to boost Internet monitoring: Spiegel

Germany's foreign intelligence agency (BND) plans to spend 100 million euros expanding its monitoring of the Internet, the weekly Der Spiegel reported on Sunday, saying the money would go on staff and technology.
The report came two days before U.S. President Barack Obama was due to visit Berlin, where he was likely to face tough questions about U.S. spying methods.
Many Germans from the former communist east still recall the blanket surveillance carried out by the Stasi secret police, and when news of Washington's covert electronic spying program PRISM broke last week, it caused outrage.
The BND was unavailable for comment.
Some German politicians criticized the plan, with Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger saying the answer to citizens' concerns about U.S. spying could not be "Let the Germans do it instead".


It's only logical, worse it will get before it can start getting better .


:angel:


I don't need to paraphrase Ed. Snowden to say that I never planned to talk politics, on the net as I tend to avoid the subject so meticulously in real life however .. it's probably hard to avoid in todays world . Least I ever meant to talk to the NSA.

Poor dear probably, did not mean to be at NSA either. He just miscalculated life options .

I better pray our local government resigns (http://news.yahoo.com/czech-prime-minister-says-resign-214334447.html) , and that it was not my files on the table but I'm seriously but seriously annoyed . Considering they all do the same thing and the probability that more than many of us here are being silently monitored .


How about life without headaches


:tea:

[Agape]

You know my point is ..I can talk to whomever I want at anytime I want , providing they want to talk to me and I keep the rules .

Trust me on that :tea:

At the last fire place , at the last table, we all will be sitting around silently and holding hands . Till that happens .. but this is our goal .

We all form this so called houman society , we are its brains hands and legs so we should walk far, fast, straight and upright .

We are our own metaphor, our own ancestors .

There is so many things someone is getting wrong yet. We make so many mistakes . It takes ages of so called evolution to rectify those tiny little mistakes that are at core of houman aggression , ignorance, hatred .

All those little mistakes make huge pile of errors. We seldom know when we do genuine error in life .
Not a planned error , can be genuine one that pains the most . Reaching the limit of your possibilities, meeting with the limitless unknown that is also Life and the Universe .

The Universe itself is full of anomalies, discrepancies and little and big abnormities you call errors.

But it's beautiful and harmonious at places whichever you call the Heavens .

It has dark pits and wormholes which you call Hells.

In between..those two ..there is human struggle , and our journey back home to the Stars .. .



Being pathetic little whistleblower when you are 5 does not really fit in or does it



:pray:

[naste.de.lumina]

question: given the enormity of what you are facing now in terms of repercussions, can you describe the exact moment when you knew you absolutely were going to do this, no matter the fallout, and what it now feels like to be living in a post-revelation world? Or was it a series of moments that culminated in action? I think it might help other people contemplating becoming whistleblowers if they knew what the ah-ha moment was like. Again, thanks for your courage and heroism.

Edward Snowden Answer:

I imagine everyone's experience is different, but for me, there was no single moment. It was seeing a continuing litany of lies from senior officials to Congress - and therefore the American people - and the realization that that Congress, specifically the Gang of Eight, wholly supported the lies that compelled me to act. Seeing someone in the position of James Clapper - the Director of National Intelligence - baldly lying to the public without repercussion is the evidence of a subverted democracy. The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed.

Thanks dude.

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks, Bill. Your list is being shared around Faceboog as well.

Dennis

[mountain_jim]

From today's Glenn Greenwald secure-internet interview:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower



Snowden Q&A
It is the interview the world's media organisations have been chasing for more than a week, but instead Edward Snowden is giving Guardian readers the exclusive.

The 29-year-old former NSA contractor and source of the Guardian's NSA files coverage will – with the help of Glenn Greenwald – take your questions today on why he revealed the NSA's top-secret surveillance of US citizens, the international storm that has ensued, and the uncertain future he now faces. Ask him anything.



(no doubt a lot more good stuff here - I am just reading it now)



Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school.




Final question from Glenn Greenwald:

Anything else you’d like to add?

Answer:


Thanks to everyone for their support, and remember that just because you are not the target of a surveillance program does not make it okay. The US Person / foreigner distinction is not a reasonable substitute for individualized suspicion, and is only applied to improve support for the program. This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance.

[norman]

"This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance."


Does it..... indeed.... ?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Is there more to this "leak"?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/15/are-whistleblowers-sometimes-too-good-to-be-true/



https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/did-the-cia-give-the-nsa-documents-to-ed-snowden/

[Agape]

http://news.yahoo.com/china-completes-internet-phone-monitoring-scheme-tibet-101402921.html

China completes Internet, phone monitoring scheme for Tibet

China has completed a monitoring scheme in restive Tibet that requires all telephone and internet users to register under their real names, state media said on Wednesday, as part of a campaign to crack down on what officials describe as rumors.
Tibetans are already closely watched, due to decades of often violent unrest in protest at Chinese rule, which Beijing blames on exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.
By the end of last year, all 2.76 million fixed line and mobile telephone users and 1.47 million internet users in the remote region had registered for services under their real identities, Xinhua news agency said.
The scheme "is conducive to protecting citizens' personal information and curbing the spread of detrimental information" the report quoted government official Nyima Doje as saying.
The growing popularity of the Internet and mobile phones has "brought about social problems, including the rampant circulation of online rumors, pornography and spam messages", another official, Dai Jianguo, said.
"The real-name registration will help resolve these problems while benefiting the long-term, sound development of the internet," Dai added, according to Xinhua.
The central Chinese government last year passed a law mandating the use of real names to register for internet services and also began forcing users of Sina Corp's wildly successful Weibo microblogging platform to register their real names.
Enforcement of similar rules for cellphones, especially pay-as-you-go services, is often lax, though.
China has defended its iron-fisted rule in Tibet, saying the remote region suffered from dire poverty, brutal exploitation of serfs and economic stagnation until 1950, when Communist troops "peacefully liberated" it.
The Dalai Lama fled into exile in 1959, following a failed uprising against Chinese rule. He denies Chinese charges of stoking violence in Tibet.
China's announcement of the successful completion of the telephone and internet monitoring program in Tibet comes as Chinese media and the government have expressed indignation at accusations of mass surveillance by the United States.
The explosive revelations of the U.S. National Security Agency's (NSA) spying programs were made by Edward Snowden, a former CIA employee and NSA contractor now holed up in Hong Kong, a China-controlled city.
The former British colony is supposed to enjoy wide-ranging autonomy and broad freedoms denied to people in mainland China, including an independent judiciary and free press.
Since its return to Chinese rule in 1997, however, the city's pro-democracy politicians and activists have complained that Beijing has been steadily eroding Hong Kong's freedoms, despite constitutional safeguards.
China demanded on Monday that Washington explain its monitoring programs to the international community, though China itself routinely monitors its own population.



:hand:

[norman]

Snowden's past has started surfacing.

At age 17 he was a member of arstechnica forum, using the name "The True HOOHA".

His signature at the time was:

" Real programmers never die, they just GOSUB with no RETURN ", perhaps that can go on record here as Snowden quote number 28.


SOURCE:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/nsa-leaker-ed-snowdens-life-on-ars-technica/

[Agape]

Snowden's past has started surfacing.

At age 17 he was a member of arstechnica forum, using the name "The True HOOHA".

His signature at the time was:

" Real programmers never die, they just GOSUB with no RETURN ", perhaps that can go on record here as Snowden quote number 28.


SOURCE:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/nsa-leaker-ed-snowdens-life-on-ars-technica/


Now that explains something ...

[TargeT]

I just emailed my uncle who is ex CIA these quotes, here is the correspondence, make of it what you will, I'm not even sure what he means.

"So, Jeff, what do you conclude from all this? Remember what your own uncle has been up to his whole career."

"Hi Uncle John, no conclusions as of yet, just concerns, I could never forget you Uncle John or what you've done for your country and its citizens. I'm certainly not saying that all agencies and men/women within them are bad, how could I say that when I have you as an amazing character witness, and Uncle Bob in the NSA. There does seem to be something strange going on in this world right now, I do not trust or believe in the current leadership across this planet, Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing, in my opinion. Check out "smart meters" that are being used in replace of electrical meters and what they are really for. more surveillance. I'm aware of the adage that if you're doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about, but can I be left alone in my own living room, can I make some toast without someone else knowing about it, just sayin.
Love Jeff"

I could have said alot more, however it just wouldn't register with him considering his background, old school CIA.

!!!POST EDIT!!!!

I was most incorrect, I've been chatting back and forth, and clearly I sold him way to short, he's quite aware, should've know, smart guy.

I wouldn't mind a bit more of the conversation (assuming no personal info is involved etc)

[Dennis Leahy]

Is there more to this "leak"?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/15/are-whistleblowers-sometimes-too-good-to-be-true/

Gordon Duff declares Assange, Manning, and Snowden are all phonies. I have read his assessment as to why he believes this, and in each case I think he is flat wrong. Does the US government know how to spin ANYTHING to their advantage {rhetorical} - yes, they do. So they hoist out a law from 1917 and create some new Draconian ones. Did they use Wikileaks and Assange - after the fact? Yes.

If I remember correctly, Duff declared Assange a phony because some of the original funding was traced to Global Rulers or one of their minions. Hey folks, ALL money traces back to them. Then later the "proof positive" was lack of 9/11 chatter and lack of Israeli damning cables leaked. So, we really think that ambassadors (figureheads) chatter about 9/11 and its way-over-the-top-secret secrets that they would never have been privy to? And just maybe the Israelis - global IT leaders in clandestine and telecommunications security technology - kept their zippers zipped when everyone else stupidly kept their fly open?


https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/did-the-cia-give-the-nsa-documents-to-ed-snowden/
I'm sick of whistleblower bashers, however erudite and well-reasoned. You have to believe that the government who had the whistle blown actually got a lot more benefit than detriment. These governments are acting is secrecy and someone throws the curtain open. Whistleblowing is real, despite the oh-so-clever spin that "well, we wanted the window opened. Yeah, that's it. We wanted to create a "limited hangout" rather than stay in complete secrecy as we had been operating for decades." How much ingested floride did it take to make us so stupid that we as so suspicious of whistleblowers - despite the fact that the government DID NOT benefit from having the window cracked open.

Cui bono? But I would direct you to this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60062-Edward-Snowden-affair-the-lesson-we-must-not-miss

Dennis

[norman]

Dennis, you usually sound like you're a pretty smart guy, even when I disagree with you. Your reasoning above, regarding the gumint's lack of motives to leak stuff is a tad naive.

Do you think it's in the NWO's plans to have anything left of the political and legal potency of our old governments ?

Sure, the headless chickens are running around in government circles acting like whistleblowers are top public enemies. Yeah, of course they are, they ARE the government folks, after all, it's their credibility and functions that are threatened by it.

Public enemies or public heros?

On one level, they are outing some big truths for benefit of the mass state of mind.

On another level, the government headless chickens are right in part because the whistlblowers are advancing the fall of the governments and that can be understood in different ways.

A committed optimist will understand it as all good and the end of tyranny is nearly here etc etc.

A more rational thinker will take into consideration that the good guys AND the bad guys both want to bring the power of governments to an end.

At this point in time it's hard to know what's going to come of all this gumint bashing but it's foolish to assume it's all going to be getting better because of it. It may well do, and it may well be horrifically different to that.

If the bad guys are speeding up their agenda and racing to cut off the human awakening at the pass, they must surely be very encouraged by the fact that, so far, the majority of 'awakening' masses are so euphorically single minded in that only good can come of all this activism, whistleblowing and public pressure on national politicians.

They are receiving the best help the masses could possibly be giving them right now. The national governments are under pressure from above and below. From above, it's the money supply. From below it's pressure to 'out' their crooks and sickos and try to tax the global money-go-round that will suck them ever further into a global compromise. The cultural identities of the national populations that once would have given the governments good cover etc have already been globalized by decades of propaganda.

One reason why apparently most people don't grasp the significance of pressurising the national structures might be because they don't grasp how close the agenda has got to the 'end game'. It's something they wouldn't do until they were ready to bang into place the new world order.

Hey, most of the ducks are lined up and they won't wait around for long.

[Dennis Leahy]

I don't believe I'm being naive. I believe that nothing Snowden has brought forward helps the US government or their global cabal/NWO handlers.

I think it is a bit naive to be waiting for the NWO, when the NWO is already here. We're not fighting against the possible takeover of the NWO, we're fighting the NWO that have already taken over. Nations and governments have not been disappearing, nor will they disappear. They have been taken over. We have been taken over. The Global Rulers/NWO are in complete control, why would they want to destroy the governments they already completely control, and that already effectively control their population?

Dennis