Amazing list of all ET intruders

[stardustaquarion]

Found this list in Lightworkers



FOLLOWING INFO IS FROM THESE BOOKS,SEE BELOW...

Here are the titles:
Voyagers I: The Sleeping Abductees (2nd Edition)
Voyagers II: Secrets of Amenti (2nd Edition)

The books contains a detailed history of our race and the history of our
ancestor's races, human DNA mutations, continual efforts from Guardian races
to repair genetic distortions caused by Intruder races. Also included are
details of ascension energy dynamics, HAARP and "what really happened on
9/11 (end of volume II)."

Much of the material presented is background information surrounding the
obstacles Intruders are creating/using to block our Ascension.

The Fallen Angelics have waited 26,000 years for a natural star gate opening
cycle (2000-2017). They need the conditions of geo and astro physics of a
Star gate opening cycle to secure the natural Earth-sun alignment (Nibiru is
a battle star and could be used to break the electromagnetic link between
the Earth and the Sun -- to initiate a pole shift).

Numerous "holy dramas" are planned (second coming of Christ), a pole-shift
and an evacuation plan of selected duped humans (who they'll use
later for a hybridization plan).

According to the book, all of the current:

-- instigated conflict for WWIII
-- holy drama, chosen ones echoed in the New Age Movement/traditional
religions
-- official denial of visitors and the existence of a soul

plays into this.

In this drama, representatives of Holy Figures from all major world
religions will appear to come collectively to save the world and unify world
religions and governments under a false "common humanity" cause. A cause
which is a One World Order control agenda in disguise.

The book says this drama will take place between 2002-2012 if humanity is
unable to perceive the deception.

It also says that if humanity can re-awaken to freedom and responsibility of
the original angelic human heritage and take peaceful counter-strategic
measures, this confrontation drama does not have to manifest any further
than it already has.

Note: In 1969, at age 4, Ashayana (Anna) was physically abducted in daylight
in her driveway by a Grey. For three years, she was abducted from her bed in
the middle of the night (the greys were supervised by the Zeta Reticuli
based in the Orion System). At age 7, she was approached by a blue-eyed
alien in her grandmother's yard -- a member of the Guardian Alliance (a
group that protected her from further physical abductions).

A chart in the back of Volume II contains a list of Intruder ET and
Illuminati Races and the distortions they've introduced (see below).

Necromiton-Andromie
- Buddhaic/Tibetan/Eastern/Christian spiritual text distortions
- Necromancy Luciferian-Satanic Bible
- Luciferian Egyptian/Tubetan/Mayan mystical teachings
- Alpha-Omega Templar Melchizedeks
- Lord Melchizedek/Archangel Michael/Angelic Hierarchy/Kryon/Corteum
Nephilim Anunnaki-Andromie hybrids
- False Sananda Jesus contacts
- Fallen "Vairagi" false ascended masters
- Thule Society
- Andromie ET contact/channeling
- Friendly Enemy allies Marduke-Luciferian/Marduke-Dramin (Omicron)
Anunnaki-Jehovian-Anunnaki Nephite-Nephilim collectives

Centaur-Luciferians and Blue Centaurs
- Hindu/Sanskrit/Islamic texts distortions
- various Shamanic, Pagan, Druid and WICCAN tradition distortions

Zeta-Rigelian/Zeta Reticuli Zephelium
- Zeta Reticuli Opened Phantom Earth Falcon Wormhole 1903-1916 raided by
Zeta-Rigelians
- Pleiadian-Nibiruian Samjase-Luciferian/Thoth-Enki-Zephelium allies. Most
accepted 1983-1984 Emerald Covenant Amnesty/Redemption Contracts, some
joined Pleiadian-Nibiruian Anunnaki to escape Zeta Rigelians.
- Zeta Rigelians-Drakonian-Orion Confederation administration, MJ-12 and
Nazi Zeta Treaties, enslaved Zeta-Reticuli.
- Zeta-Talk
- Thule Society
- Alister Crowley
- Black Sun
- Golden Dawn
- Enochian Watchtowers metaphysical cults
- Pagan teaching distortions
- Philadelphia Experiment/Montauk Project, 1983 Rigelian-Andromie Alliance
- Work with Drakonian Necromiton-Andromies, some
Omnicon-Drakonian/Odedicron-Reptilian factions
- Big Brother Drac World Management Team Illuminati/Montauk Boys

Omnicron-Drakonian
- Knights Malta Catholic Templar Knights
- Roman Moffia
- Scots McDonald raider line
- Nazi creeds
- Black Sun mystical schools
- Curendara/Dramin Dragon Queen
- Shamanism (Native American/Peru/Africa)
- Haitian/African Voo Doo
- Roman catholic control creeds
- Toltec-Aztec
- Inca
- Islamic
- WICCAN/Pagan
- Reiki Text distortions
- False GA claims "omnicron group"
- Zeta Rigelian/Some Odedicron-Reptilian/Marduke-Dramin-Anunnaki allies

Dracos
- Various Shamanic disortions
- promote false environmental causes
- Drak "technologies"
- ET contact demos
- utilize astral projection to initiate astral body sex with humans for D-4
astral body bio field DNA template implanting
- use sound tones for D-4 chakra-4 astral cording/bio-field tagging in
unsuspecting humans via public events
- Work with Zeta Rigelian/Omnicron Drakonian Anunnaki (Omnicro-Anunnaki
hybrids)

Odedicron-Reptilian
- Egyptian/Pagan/Shamanic/Kahuna mystical teaching distortions
- Egyptian Crocodile cults
- Falcon cults
- Malaysian Voo Doo
- Lord Maitreya
- Christian Text distortions
- Some work with Odedicon-Drakonian Dragon Moths with Zeta-Reticuli Greys
and Pleiadian-Samjase-Luciferian-Anunnaki

Marduke-Luciferian-Anunnaki
- 9560 BC Luciferian Covenant
- Work with Pleiadian-Samjase-Luciferian-Anunnaki/Nibiruian
Thoth-Enki-Zephelium-Anunnaki and/or Centaur Luciferian/Necromiton-Andromie
Orion-Necromiton Black League.
- Druid, Celtic, Pagan and Prostestant Christian text distortions

Marduke-Dramin/Satain/Anunnaki
- Dramin the Dragon Queen
- Egyptian "Set" schools
- Biblical "Seth" Lineage
- Necromancy Satanic Bible
- Satanism
- Islamic and Hebrew Text distortions
- KKK
- Russian Psychic Rasputin and related channels
- Work with Omnicron-Drakonians, Dracos and Orion-Necdomiton Black League
Pro-Drac Necromiton-Andromies.

Enlil-Odedicron-Anunnaki
- Enki-Zephelium/Marduke-Luciferian Anunnaki created Nibiruian
Primate-hominid Lulcuc-Neanderthal slave race for African gold mines and
Middle East labor, 250,000 BC.
- Enlil Anunnaki Raider Race of 148,000 BC - 75,000 BC Anu Occupation
- 25,000 Lucifer Rebellion
- 10,500 BC Luciferian Conquest
- 9560 BC Luciferian Covenant Atlantean Human Tribe Invasions
Atlantean-Egyptian "Phoenix" and Falcon mystical schools
- Falcon Shamanic traditions
- Nubian/Mayan/Toltec/Olmec/Native American Falcon cults and Crocodile Cults
- Gaul raider races of France, Britain, Europe, Knights Templar/Free Mason
Anunnaki and Drakonian factions
- Most are members of Nibiruian Councils 9 and 12
- Pleiadian-Nibiruian Coalition
- Galactic Federation and Ashtar Command

Jehovian Anunnaki
- Jehovian-Nephilim-Morantians: major distortions of original Lemurian/atlan
tean/Essene Emerald Covenant CDT-Plate Christos teachings
- Christian Protestant text distortions
- Urantia book
- Templar Melchizedek Mormon texts
- Jehovian-Nephite-Nohassim: created "YHWY/Jehovah God stories/false
12-tribe history in Hebrew-Christian texts
- Jehovian-Nephite-Adam Kadmon: Promote Jehovah/YHWH Metatron
Ophanium/Enoch/Archangel Michael and Tibetan creeds
- Jehovian-Nephite-Drakonian: Kaballah Hebrew text distortions, inverted
reversed 10-Sephiroth "Tree of Life", removed 6 letters from Hebrew Alphabet
- Traditional and Hassidic Hebrew text distortions
- Jehovian renegades in Galactic Federation/Ashtar Command/Nibiruian
Councils
- Course in Miracles channeling and Thoth-Isis-Merlin-Archangel Michael
teachings are Jehovian/GF/Necromiton-Andromie Nephilim Anunnaki Co-op

Pleiadian-Samjase-Luciferian-Anunnaki
- Protestant text distortions
- Isis mystical schools
- Pleiadian channels and UFO contacts
- work closely with Nibiruian Anunnaki Thoth-Enki-Zeta, Enlil-Odedicron and
Marduke-Luciferian lines
- Mahatma and Rosecrutian spiritual teachings
- false Mother Mary contacts
- Work with Nibiruian Thoth-Enki and Enlil-Odedicron-Anunnaki,
Zeta-Teticuli, Necromiton-Andromie-Nephilim hybrids,
Centaur-Luciferian-Anunnaki

Thoth-Enki-Zephelium Anunnaki
- Iniatiators of the 9560 BC Luciferian Covenant OWO (One World Order)
Nibiruian-Atlantean Dominion Master Plan.
- Dominant Force of the Anunnaki portions of World Management Team
Illuminati
- Greek Hermes Tris-Me-Gis-Tus
- Greek Roman Amulius and Julius Caesar Nibiruian lines
- Some Roman and Greek "Olympian" God legends
- Mayan-Quetzalcoatl
- forced Human tribes to adopt Nibiruian-distorted Mayan calendar and
Nibiruian created Julian calendar in Rome
- Egyptian Osirius-Isis mystical schools
- the Atlantean Emerald Tablets (written translations of data stored on
Emerald Covenant CDT Plate 11 stolen by Thoth in 22,340 BC)
- Brotherhood of the Snake Atlantean mystical schools
- Led Nibiruian Anunnaki Invader races in the Eieyani Indigo Massacre of
22,3266 BC Lemurian Islands (Kauai Hawaii)
- Thoth Alpha-Omega Melchizedek mystical schools
- Lord Melchizedek and related channel contacts
- Christian-Protestant text distortions
- Osirius-Isis-Horus Egyptian schools
- Most groups were Emerald Covenant loyal until Thoth defected from Emerald
Covenant just prior to the SAC (Stellar Activations Cycle) and Eieyani
Massacre of 22, 326 BC
- Coerced Enoch and his Kodazhim hybrid races to defect from the Emerald
Covenant to enter the Luciferian Covenant in 10,500 BC to launch
"Hyksos-Knights Templar Master Race Plan."
- Works closely with Nibiruian Enlil-Odedicron-Anunnaki Pleiadian
Samjase-Luciferian Anunnaki (primary allies), Zeta-Reticuli Zephelium,
Necromiton-Andromie/Drakonian/Jehovian-Nephilim (primary allies), hybrids
and Centaur-Luciferian Anunnaki.
- A driving force in the contemporary New Age movement Indigo-Hi-Jack Plan
(body snatching of as-yet unawakened Indigo Maji Types 1-2-3 via Astral
implant tagging, astral over-shadowing and eventual full body possession).

saves a lot of reading :p
http://lightworkers.org/node/101011

[samvado]

The only way to save a lot of reading is by ignoring this and any future plugs of your pseudo religion aka "Voyagers". This is hair raising nosense and I would use stronger vocabulary where it not for the mods of this forum forcing me to be polite in the face of utter nonsense.

you can believe what you want but I do consider your material disinfo of the order of "the wave" and other stuff from laura knight-jadczyk.
I know kerry has taken a liking to it too - one more reason I full support the splitting of camelot and avalon.

[stardustaquarion]

Look Samvado, you asked me not to post in your threads and I don't so unless you have any evidence that what is written in the Voyagers is "nonsense" I will ask you politely that you don't post anything that you can not support. You are entitled to believe what you want but I am tired of seeing you provoking every body and pretending that you know a lot when you don't. Saying yada yada yada is not evidence. Thank you

[stardustaquarion]

You know what else Samvado, your own thread about "a well research UFO info" supports in part what the Voyager book say, so I take it that you never took the trouble to read the book. Pitty that your hate for Anna Hayes blinds you



PS Anna Hayes is an abductee which is better than what your guy is, I don't think your methods are scientific

[Gita]

I thought you were on his ignore list Stardust?! You're not being very well ignored though are you?

Thanks for your hard work btw - It's appreciated.

[stardustaquarion]

Hi Gita, what I meant is that after my comments here I am sure I will be soon in Samvado's ignore list which I am looking forward too

Anyway, I have opened my ignore list and samvado has the priviledge to be the only one there :)

Love

[K626]

Ignore lists are silly.

Love to all.

KDisco

[Majorion]

Okay stardust, to be fair, the material's definitely interesting, its a good read, and I can understand if someone 'resonates' with the material, but here's my critique anyway (you knew its coming). For example, right at the beginning here, and quote:


The Fallen Angelics have waited 26,000 years for a natural star gate opening
cycle (2000-2017). They need the conditions of geo and astro physics of a
Star gate opening cycle to secure the natural Earth-sun alignment (Nibiru is
a battle star and could be used to break the electromagnetic link between
the Earth and the Sun -- to initiate a pole shift).


Now notice just in that one paragraph, you have; fallen angelics, stargates, nibiru, and further implication of a pole shift - wait for it - to occur sometime 2000-2017, see how convenient that is?

Look, its all good to read and everything, I'm not saying anything bad about how this could help a person and expand their mind a little, it could potentially have that sort of effect. Is it reliable though, is it concrete definitive information? to be honest, no. Its okay if you're sharing it with others, but the issue is if you are claiming it to be fact. And if you're presenting it as fact, then the onus is on you to establish its validity, by whatever means, you must the lead the readers and lurkers of this thread to be convinced by it using sound logic and a good argument supported by verifiable research and perhaps connecting to other info considered indisputable.

Though I sympathize and fully understand how this is extremely annoying, however you still shouldn't be surprised when occasionally someone shows up in your threads to dispute and add an element of skepticism. Not everyone is going to believe, I thank you for sharing though, its good stuff, but still skeptical.

[justpeter]

I agree with majorion. I'm sure you mean well stardust but I don't think you're helping yourself by posting information without showing you've analysed it yourself.

For instance, from what I've gathered from other posts you've made, you are a follower of Anna Hayes and you often state that various things and people are working on behalf of the illuminati. Yet in the list you posted above, under the heading of "Illuminati", one of the items is "Lord Melchizedek and related channel contacts". Now, when I google "Anna Hayes" I find she founded the Melchizedek Cloister Emerald Order and she is working from channelled information.

So it looks like your posting above has sunk your own guru. I'm sure you didn't intend this but I think it shows the necessity to think about the data before posting it and at least give some explanation as to why Anna Hayes thinks virtually everyone is subject to alien interference except her own channeled info.

[stardustaquarion]

Hi Justpeter and Majorion this responds both your questions

Mechizedek is a generic name as a surname, it is not exclusive to a group. For example there is the Templar Mechizedecks that serves the illuminati agenda ( Michael Tsarion research) and the Alpha Omega Melchizedeck which is in resonance with the Alpha draconis philosophy. There is also a Melchizedeck in the Bible and I am sure if I dig around I will find tons. As far as I know Asha has never claimed she is the only one of anything

I don't understand the fuss unless you feel personally aggravated by the material. The heading of the thread is "Amazing list..." means listing not analysis. Now can you prove that these people do not exist? No you can't because there is enough evidence in the planet of their existance and many researchers have mention these beings in their works, not only Anna Hayes. As it is stated at the begining of the post, this is a summary that someone did in the Lightworkers forum of two books, it is just a summary for reference. A LIST

I for example have found many references of Isis, KKK, Knights of Malta, Anunaki, satanism, luciferianism, black shamanism,Reptilians, Black Sun etc., etc., in my own research. How can you say to me that I should research, shouldn't you be the ones that research before posting? I have and I believe this material is as credible as any other in this forum and that humans have been visited and manipulated by alliens for a loooong loong time. Aren't you aware that all the books called "holy" have been "channeled" and manipulated afterwards? What is truth and what is false is this world, can you tell me? How can we further our mind if we not explore?

I am not claiming anything I am just saying come with something no just idle criticism. You are entitle not to like it but putting down information when you yourselves do not know for certain, is that positive? is that constructive? Does that help us clarify what it is happening in the planet? Look around you how many threads of UFO there are here, are you going to put them all down just because you have not had a personal ET experience?

We are entering interesting times, perhaps you should read my thread on the wingmakers and put that one down too

Peace

Are you against the analysis of Keylontic Sciences, do you think should it be excluded from the forum? Are you also against free speach like Samvado who believes that he is the only owner of the truth in this forum?

[justpeter]

I am not claiming anything I am just saying come with something no just idle criticism. You are entitle not to like it but putting down information when you yourselves do not know for certain, is that positive? is that constructive? Does that help us clarify what it is happening in the planet? Look around you how many threads of UFO there are here, are you going to put them all down just because you have not had a personal ET experience?

Every time someone on this forum mentions Drunvalo Melchizedek, you jump in and rubbish him because Anna Hayes does the same. Every time someone mentions Nassim Haramein you jump in and rubbish him because you think he has something to do with fibonacci numbers and Anna Hayes rubbishes fibonacci.

I can't speak for majorion but my point is I think you have what I call " a held-down five". Imagine a calculator where the number five is held down permanently. Every time someone tries to do a calculation they will get a wrong answer because of the held-down five. Well, what I am saying is I think your "held-down five" is Anna Hayes and she is influencing most things you post. If you put forward a point of view and explain it logically then that's fine but I don't see you doing it very often, that's all.

[Majorion]

Look around you how many threads of UFO there are here, are you going to put them all down just because you have not had a personal ET experience?

And what makes you assume that persons skeptical of this particular material (or others) have 'not' had a personal ET experience? thats quite a leap, further this asserts that material of this kind sometimes preaches an end-all-be-all attitude among certain followers; in which anybody who doesn't agree must 'not' have had any experience or knowledge on these subjects, thats very convenient.


Are you against the analysis of Keylontic Sciences, do you think should it be excluded from the forum?

No I am not for excluding anything, again what makes you come to this conclusion friend? if anything I'm "pro" looking into these things even deeper, we start by asking critical questions, and not having been disrespectful, so the only conclusion I can arrive at is that you're either unable to address some of the inquiries, or you're not comfortable - in general - about questioning things. That is a fundamentalist mentality, and no different than the corrupted religions you speak of.

Peace,

[stardustaquarion]

You are mistaken Justpeter, I am not influenced by Anna Hayes, indeed I have not meet her. I do find her material scientific, thorough and intriguing and coincide with her that the fibonacci spiral is not natural. Indeed in furthering my analysis of that I found out that Mathematicians think is a myth and that the golden mean and its derivatives arei the mathematics of preference of the Fremassons. Regretfully Nassim Haramein has not proven anything and yet his theory is being taken like the best thing since sliced bread. I don't recall just saying " i don't like it" "i think is wrong" if my memory does not fail me I presented several videos from physicists that did not agree with his points of views.

I am sorry that you feel ofended by others having a different oppinion than you. At least I took the effort to find supporting information from the mainstream scientific community. What do you have to offer appart from your dislike

The more people dislike Anna Hayes the more convinced I am that she is telling the truth because we live in a world of lies that start when we are children in the school.

As for Drunvalo he is done a very good job of discrediting himself amongst the New Age community which I am not involved with, I have nothing personal again but for me the fibonacci spiral is not natural. My personal experience of his material is that it made me ill.

Love

[stardustaquarion]

I am sorry Majorion I should have answered to you individually, I appologize for my assumption. Are you saying that you have had ET experiences? I have since I was a child, both constructive and negative

I don't follow anyone but myself and if I took the trouble to share something that I thought it may be useful in the times to come , was because I care and I think people needs to be aware that we are in the middle of a ET comflict that has nothing to do with humans and in which the humans are the ones that will lose out.

I think Hayes material is very comprehensive and I myself have researched the conections because I am writing a book. Of course I can not disclose what I am writing because it will interfere with the publication of my book

There is a lot of disinformation out there and Hayes appears to have many enemies, I do not know the reasons but I know that she speaks up and that ruffles feathers which is normally what happens when whistleblowers spill the beans, the tacktic is to discredit the person so the material will not be examined. Keylontic sciences is very liberal, they encourage you to make your own research and no one asks you to do anything. If a person decides to do a DVD or workshop is their choice it is totaly open to ones own criteria. There is no church, no program, nobody tells you what to do, nobody critizises you if you chose to do nothing.

I believe I have addressed your questions

Love

[Gita]

Am I not correct in thinking that Anna Hayes is against channelling and says channelling material should basically be taken with a pinch of salt? I understand her to be in communication with ETs who present her the material?! Someone correct me if I’m mistaken.

Channelling and communication are worlds apart in my book however discernment is always a good idea when it comes down to it.

I have not read Hayes books yet but I do intend to – but some of the materials I’ve read of hers so far do resonate with me – well the overall picture of it anyway but there’s no way I can ever be sure of the details and some of it is confusing to me but I’m going to keep an open mind as I do with all things. As far as Nazim is concerned, well I think the guy’s a genius. He’s managed to validate almost everything I knew intuitively in a scientific manner and has brought me back from the brink of insanity. :wacko2: The guy just rocks.:rockon:

So what I’m saying is that I get both side of the argument here and I’m somewhere in the middle of all this – which to me feels a good place to be as I can pick out the best of both things and happily leave what doesn’t resonate.

It would be great to see this topic turn into a discussion rather than an argument :tea: – just saying!:pleasantry:

[Humble Janitor]

Well, I was not surprised when I saw how Jehovah's Witnesses were categorized. They are some of the most hell-bent people I've ever known in my life. They keep lists, they'll show up at your home, your place of work and I'm sure they'd even interrupt your most personal moments. They have to be controlled by something otherworldly because closing the door in their face does not faze them.

Other than that, it's an interesting list but I don't think there's much else in there that could give it legs.

[justpeter]

You are mistaken Justpeter, I am not influenced by Anna Hayes, indeed I have not meet her. I do find her material scientific, thorough and intriguing and coincide with her that the fibonacci spiral is not natural. Indeed in furthering my analysis of that I found out that Mathematicians think is a myth and that the golden mean and its derivatives arei the mathematics of preference of the Fremassons. Regretfully Nassim Haramein has not proven anything and yet his theory is being taken like the best thing since sliced bread. I don't recall just saying " i don't like it" "i think is wrong" if my memory does not fail me I presented several videos from physicists that did not agree with his points of views.

I am sorry that you feel ofended by others having a different oppinion than you. At least I took the effort to find supporting information from the mainstream scientific community. What do you have to offer appart from your dislike

Well, I never intended for this to turn into an argument but you are making such illogical statements that I feel I have to respond.

The fact that you haven't met Anna Hayes is completely irrelevant so I don't know why you mentioned it. I was talking about you being influenced by her writings, not by her in person.

As regards Nassim Haramein, you make it sound as though you have thoroughly researched his work and produced scientific evidence to disprove it. I don't have the desire to go through all of your previous posts but I think you are misrepresenting the truth here. Firstly, I don't think you have a clue about Haramein's work. I think you simply saw the word "fibonacci" in association with his work and you did a quick google search to find anything that debunks him. You then proudly posted these links and called it "research".

As far as me being offended by others having a different opinion, that is ridiculous and simply shows you haven't taken the time to understand what I'm saying. If you were to look at anything I've posted I think you'd find I don't say people are agents of the illuminati and I don't say people like Haramein are talking rubbish. These are the kind of comments you make. I always moderate my comments by saying "I don't agree" or "It doesn't sound right to me" or some such wording. If you look at your own posts regarding Haramein I think you'll see that you are the one who is offended by people mentioning him. You seem to have an emotional outburst at the mere mention of his name.

As for Anna Hayes, I have never said she is wrong about anything and I won't unless I can prove it, because that's the way I am. All I've ever said is she doesn't sound genuine to me. That's an opinion and it is stated without any negative emotion at all, unlike your opinions. What does irritate me is when you post things she's written, such as the one that started this thread, and don't try to justify them. You just seem to accept it as a fact because she wrote it. As soon as majorion and myself questioned you, you had an emotional outburst. That tells me a lot. I spent many years in scientology and became one of their most highly trained people on the planet. I've had more negative outbursts aimed at me about that subject than you've had hot dinners but I can deal with them all calmly and easily. That's because a) I'm trained to deal with such attacks and b) I know their technology and can answer questions on it without getting emotional.

But, the difference between you and me is I don't post the writings of L. Ron Hubbard as if they're a fact and I can also debate them to the point of even accepting that something he said was wrong. That's because I don't have a "held-down five" on the subject.

As I said at the start of this post, I never intended to have an argument. I love to have reasoned debates. I'm not connected to scientology, Drunvalo, Haramein or anyone else but I've studied their works along with many other spiritual/religious texts and I think I've got a pretty good idea of what's going on with the planet but I'm willing to learn new things at any time.

Ok, that's all I wanted to say.

[HORIZONS]

Thanks for the LIST - I find it is just as informative as anything else on this forum.
A side note: when I read something I do not resonate with I usually just shelve it and pass right on by, for there is no need to comment on someone else's work unless I can truly contribute to the thread. This takes self-responsibility on the part of the reader though, and we may not all be there yet.

~PEACE

[justpeter]

......(snip).... This takes self-responsibility on the part of the reader though, and we may not all be there yet.

~PEACE

That kind of negative snidey comment says more about the person saying it than anyone else. I recommend scientology grade 2 counselling to help you with that particular aberration. Look for "freezone" rather than the official organization. Hope this helps.

[justpeter]

double post.

[justpeter]

Before any more posts are made on this thread, I want to backtrack.

Stardust made the original post, I thought it didn't make sense to me so I made a post to clarify it and hopefully get a discussion/debate about it. That didn't happen. What resulted was a "you said, I said" argument, for which I accept my share of responsibility.

I apologise if there has been any negativity on my part. That wasn't my intention. I simply wanted to try and understand what was being posted.

This discussion is over for me now and I don't hold any bad feelings for anyone here.

Love

[Bee]

Dear Stardust,
I only recently joined the forum and I was looking for many things. I thank you dearly for this post!
I often wonder why people get so very passionate and even aggressive when someone posts something that does not resonate with them. Nobody needs to believe anything at all! this is sharing information and I love going to different places, looking at loads of material and do the discerning myself. I do not need any fights about things at all. So I am glad you posted this here.
I have read the first voyagers book only now and the second nearly finished, I listened to Asha's interview with Kerry and I can tell you I was very critical. But I can say that many things make sense to me, going by my previous research, my questions I had for so long etc.
And as regards Drunvalo: My intuition always played up when his name came up, I tried to read his stuff, same thing happened and this also happened with a lot of other material like the very much tooted material re Ra (not talking here the 'Law of the One', Rueckert et all) and 'book of Toth' ... Over my life time I have learned to trust my intuition and I always got the piece of information at some stage that validated for me why I did was not attracted/did not resonate or did not want to invest time in certain material.
I love discussing things or asking opinions of people who I know do have a very different approach and thus I get so many angles on my research subject :)

I wish you all the very best and I hope we all learn to better communicate instead of :argue:

[BF88]

Quick question: Who gives these groups these silly names? Who says this particular group of non human beings are the guardian alliance or this other one are the whatever team of intergalactic super crystal light warriors?

During this incarnation as a human being and even before, coming from outside of what is commonly referred to as the matrix (the artificial structure of reality localised in this physical geographical region of space) and remembering it vividly, I have not once heard the utterance of a name of a group, race or particular being. The closest you could get to it is a description of certain beings 'the reptiles' / 'the insects' although it was from within the matrix where I heard this, why this makes a difference I couldn't give a honest or accurate answer at this time.

The point I am trying to make here is catagorising things is a very human like thing to do, if a particular being gives you its name or the name of its group / planet / race etc it is only for your benefit and I would doubt very much that it thinks of itself as such although I can only speak from my own experience. You could liken it to religion, people are too busy discussing and fighting over who the real savior is or incorrectly interpreting the texts given to them, rather than taking the actual advice (I'm pretty sure this is how Islam came about as a remedy for this).

Edit: I got off track for a minute and forgot to mention it is for this reason I am automatically skeptical about anything too specific such as names, has the faint scent of misguidance to me, deliberate or not. My intention is not to offend anyone's belief systems with this, I know the tone is harsh.

[GloriousPoetry]

Interesting List.......a good book to read that supports the E.T. intruder concept is George Kavassilas' book "Our Universal Journey." In this book he talks about a cosmic matrix and how these intruders have managed to design blurred lines between reality and illusion all with the intent to confuse humanity about our true spiritual sovereignty. These intruders especially the one god entity people praise like Jehovah has created a huge false light paradigm to trick humanity. He also goes on about the new age movement being another program to make people believe in the false light which keeps people passive and dumbed down.

This book is disturbing.......and I would also add that it answered my question about my kundalini experience which I had back in 2004. On an intuitive soul level I knew this energy was linked to the planet Saturn and in 2013 when I ran into this book my intuitive message was confirmed about kundalini energy. Kundalini energy is linked to the planet Saturn because it's another false light paradigm created by these intruders who are able to broadcast energetic streams that dig deep into our own energetic makeup. Kundalini energy is not organic as the new age movement believes it to be....this synthetic energy is an energetic overlay to again trick people into believing they have reached enlightenment when in reality they are being tricked.

[Peace of Mind]

Quick question: Who gives these groups these silly names? Who says this particular group of non human beings are the guardian alliance or this other one are the whatever team of intergalactic super crystal light warriors?

During this incarnation as a human being and even before, coming from outside of what is commonly referred to as the matrix (the artificial structure of reality localised in this physical geographical region of space) and remembering it vividly, I have not once heard the utterance of a name of a group, race or particular being. The closest you could get to it is a description of certain beings 'the reptiles' / 'the insects' although it was from within the matrix where I heard this, why this makes a difference I couldn't give a honest or accurate answer at this time.

The point I am trying to make here is catagorising things is a very human like thing to do, if a particular being gives you its name or the name of its group / planet / race etc it is only for your benefit and I would doubt very much that it thinks of itself as such although I can only speak from my own experience. You could liken it to religion, people are too busy discussing and fighting over who the real savior is or incorrectly interpreting the texts given to them, rather than taking the actual advice (I'm pretty sure this is how Islam came about as a remedy for this).

Edit: I got off track for a minute and forgot to mention it is for this reason I am automatically skeptical about anything too specific such as names, has the faint scent of misguidance to me, deliberate or not. My intention is not to offend anyone's belief systems with this, I know the tone is harsh.

Thanks, I too often wonder why more people doesn't realize this. Most (if not all) information concerning "Aliens" has a very "human like" tone to it. Reading posts describing what they see in a picture can be very revealing. I remember reading a thread with a picture of a bunch of rocks clumped up together on Mars. People were swearing they could see an image of a man hanging up cloths on a cloths line. seriously?

Years and years of this and all it has ever done was make people so blind that they have to now hallucinate what they want to see. Its a sad sight to witness. Putting yourself through years of unconfirmed knowledge about the cosmos has to be an awful hindrance. I just don't see the worth in wasting the little precious time we have here. The only worth I see is if all this information was solely made to be clever "distraction" tactics. Seeing how none of this alien stuff from over the years has never materialized (other than word of mouth)...I've come to the conclusion that it's all meant to stagnate your thoughts and movement. So far...its the most logical answer. I'm a bit surprised you didn't get more acknowledgement for this post...hmm, I wonder why.

Peace

[BF88]

Quick question: Who gives these groups these silly names? Who says this particular group of non human beings are the guardian alliance or this other one are the whatever team of intergalactic super crystal light warriors?

During this incarnation as a human being and even before, coming from outside of what is commonly referred to as the matrix (the artificial structure of reality localised in this physical geographical region of space) and remembering it vividly, I have not once heard the utterance of a name of a group, race or particular being. The closest you could get to it is a description of certain beings 'the reptiles' / 'the insects' although it was from within the matrix where I heard this, why this makes a difference I couldn't give a honest or accurate answer at this time.

The point I am trying to make here is catagorising things is a very human like thing to do, if a particular being gives you its name or the name of its group / planet / race etc it is only for your benefit and I would doubt very much that it thinks of itself as such although I can only speak from my own experience. You could liken it to religion, people are too busy discussing and fighting over who the real savior is or incorrectly interpreting the texts given to them, rather than taking the actual advice (I'm pretty sure this is how Islam came about as a remedy for this).

Edit: I got off track for a minute and forgot to mention it is for this reason I am automatically skeptical about anything too specific such as names, has the faint scent of misguidance to me, deliberate or not. My intention is not to offend anyone's belief systems with this, I know the tone is harsh.

Thanks, I too often wonder why more people doesn't realize this. Most (if not all) information concerning "Aliens" has a very "human like" tone to it. Reading posts describing what they see in a picture can be very revealing. I remember reading a thread with a picture of a bunch of rocks clumped up together on Mars. People were swearing they could see an image of a man hanging up cloths on a cloths line. seriously?

Years and years of this and all it has ever done was make people so blind that they have to now hallucinate what they want to see. Its a sad sight to witness. Putting yourself through years of unconfirmed knowledge about the cosmos has to be an awful hindrance. I just don't see the worth in wasting the little precious time we have here. The only worth I see is if all this information was solely made to be clever "distraction" tactics. Seeing how none of this alien stuff from over the years has never materialized (other than word of mouth)...I've come to the conclusion that it's all meant to stagnate your thoughts and movement. So far...its the most logical answer. I'm a bit surprised you didn't get more acknowledgement for this post...hmm, I wonder why.

Peace

People don't realise it because some are easily fooled, some like to live in fantasy, some have a financial interest in perpetuating certain story lines and then there is deliberate deception. Another possibility is the whole name game is just the human nature and a way of making sense and describing to others certain things, although this is where the problem lies but unfortunately I can't suggest anything better.

Giving it a little more thought I can understand naming certain beings after the star system they have told you they come from but the case of which ones are the good guys and which are evil is ultimately a matter of perspective. An Earthly example could be a lion killing a weak or child animal to eat, no one would call what the lion is doing an evil act but when people report acts done to them by an ET due to the nature of it that ET and the rest of its type are labelled as evil without the consideration given to the nature of the being and the believers simply go along with it.

I'm not trying to take anything away from those who have suffered here just trying to throw some logic at what seems to be an attempt at a belief system being created out of this. Look at all sides of the story, much can be learned by putting yourself in anthers shoes (if they have any!)

[Bee]

All of you have raised very valid aspects and questions in my humble opinion and thing I ponder often myself: who did all this and why are they doing all the stuff we are doing 'down here'? I kindof hoped there are places where this does not happen and of course maybe there is, or most certainly there is and then again there so so very much we all have to learn in this short life span also.... on the other hand to me many things I read in 'voyagers' do make a lot of sense to me: the mechanics!

I look at it always with a very open mind and try to be as objective as possible ... we all have our limits and most of the times I really go in the end by what I found in books and how my intuition reacts to all this... most of the times I feel that my intuition serves me well and when I don't know by that feeling, I normally wait and see ... all very very interesting!

Thanks everyone for sharing so much here!
Namaste! :)

[Tangri]

Dear Stardust,
I only recently joined the forum and I was looking for many things. I thank you dearly for this post!
I often wonder why people get so very passionate and even aggressive when someone posts something that does not resonate with them. Nobody needs to believe anything at all! this is sharing information and I love going to different places, looking at loads of material and do the discerning myself. I do not need any fights about things at all. So I am glad you posted this here.
I have read the first voyagers book only now and the second nearly finished, I listened to Asha's interview with Kerry and I can tell you I was very critical. But I can say that many things make sense to me, going by my previous research, my questions I had for so long etc.
And as regards Drunvalo: My intuition always played up when his name came up, I tried to read his stuff, same thing happened and this also happened with a lot of other material like the very much tooted material re Ra (not talking here the 'Law of the One', Rueckert et all) and 'book of Toth' ... Over my life time I have learned to trust my intuition and I always got the piece of information at some stage that validated for me why I did was not attracted/did not resonate or did not want to invest time in certain material.
I love discussing things or asking opinions of people who I know do have a very different approach and thus I get so many angles on my research subject :)

I wish you all the very best and I hope we all learn to better communicate instead of :argue:

Usually I do not intervene ET discussions But I couldn't stop to ask this

How did you find this old thread which owner a long time retired member? I can not trace my new tread subject if it was posted earlier.