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Delight
15th June 2013, 21:14
Has anyone been tempted lately with a need to "share" their truth as a teacher or provide some service, cure, profound solution? I know that I have had a belief that this would mean something about my evolution. Yes, and maybe not the way I perceived this issue.

This post is about observing authorities as teachers and providers of material substances (and immaterial i.e. information and "energy" stuff too if that is accepted as a vector).

I learned from a teacher at one point that there was a process of Mastery. She told me teaching and giving out one's own school of "providing" for needs healing....helping....caring....curing an ill IS THE LAST TASK OF MASTERY for the material plane. At first iI looked at it all as "Cool" and desirable to be an expert with my own truth to teach. I thought in terms of a hierarchy where the teacher had ARRIVED at the end of the course and was now going to graduate. The ability to teach would prove that in some profound way I as a Master had stepped up (and might step out to something Great).

The person who shared this has crafted a course that she teaches along with healing for a coterie of clients. In this particular case, I noticed that over the years she gets more famous. She now teaches all over the world. When she is home, she sees clients. LOTS of them are the same ones still coming week after week.

OK! That sent a red flag. The evidence that her teaching is helpful and healing successful is the constant flow of new clients and students. She certainly has new people in her classes (expensive certifications for different aspects of her teaching). But why would she still have the same clients? I thought:

Maybe its because SHE needs THEM.

I notice that some teachers I first heard about years ago are now onto "coaching". They tweet. They facebook. they have web seminars and email " newsletters. They promise the same thing lately EMPOWERMENT. Coaching is really insidious as it can go on forever. Also I ask, what is the issue here of taking on bigger and bigger nets to pull people in for coaching?

Many teachers say "You are so powerful and you just forgot so I will help you remember you don't need anyone but your SELF (something connected here with Source). You do not need anyone to accomplish for you anything. Source is your ultimate connection and you are remembering now. OH and by the way, I have an advanced seminar next week."

I am now aware that maybe the issue is what the TEACHER needs to remember. This ultimately has the teacher throwing out all the students and the healers just sitting idle. Gurdjieff is an example of one who threw out all the students so they went on and taught his work filtered by their own perceptions. They Mastered something but they were not yet MASTERS. Gurdjieff didn't need them but they needed someone still.

Its an ongoing saga. Maybe she is correct about sequence of trajectory toward mastery. But the object lesson may not be anything I ever thought before?

Perhaps if it is true that teaching is the last issue faced by Mastery, here one is faced by one's addiction to students, clients and admirers. We all are tempted to get energy form others (google energy vampires and see its a zeitgeist). This is perhaps just more refined in energy frequency than other kinds??

No fault this but a necessary weaning will be employed before kindegarten. Who can take Mommy's breast with them while walking? The trajectory is about sovereign capacity. We have to be able to generate our own fuel totally I suspect before lift off.

I wonder if I would be immune if placed in the kind of charged atmosphere the chela generates for a GURU? Actually i know I would cave in to the delicious admiration and approval from grateful people...

So maybe its true that teaching has tyo be part of the last stage before we are free to fly. maybe I can do it on youtube for free and keep my head covered?

OF COURSE I know that all admiration will be broadcast on the etheric and I can still have some delicious psychic approval even without an identity. Yummmm. OOPs sorry.

northstar
15th June 2013, 23:49
.... The evidence that her teaching is helpful and healing successful is the constant flow of new clients and students. She certainly has new people in her classes (expensive certifications for different aspects of her teaching). But why would she still have the same clients? I thought:

Maybe its because SHE needs THEM.

I notice that some teachers I first heard about years ago are now onto "coaching". They tweet. They facebook. they have web seminars and email " newsletters. They promise the same thing lately EMPOWERMENT. Coaching is really insidious as it can go on forever. Also I ask, what is the issue here of taking on bigger and bigger nets to pull people in for coaching?

Spiritual "teachers" and "masters" and "Gurus" have been vamping the life energy of their followers for centuries. I am not suggesting that this is the case with all spiritual leaders, but it is definitely the case with some.

What I am going to say now may sound weird or controversial but here goes: the spiritual leaders who vamp life energy are always puppets for exceedingly nasty incorporeal astral/etheric beings who benefit from the energetic feast offered up by the followers. This energy is freely offered by the adoring followers, sucked up by the leader and then transmitted to the disembodied entity (call it a demon if you wish) that is attached to the leader. If you find this hard to believe, take a quiet moment and reflect on this: energy flows where attention goes.

What I am describing here is not unusual. I recently encountered a New Age leader, a visually attractive woman, who was clearly and obviously possessed and she has a lot of followers.

No wonder the true believers keep coming back. When they come under the thrall of the super vamp (disguised in the clothing of a wonderful new Age teacher) they very quickly they get stuck in an energetic rut and as times passes it becomes harder and harder to break away and find their own power because they have less and less energy to do so.

I have been taken in a few times. In my case it was two different spiritual organizations that gave out little nuggets of wisdom but they expected a great deal of money in return. I am ashamed to admit that in both cases I hung around for years even after my discernment was telling me something was wrong. That led to wasted life energy, wasted time and wasted money for me.

My takeaway lesson is to apply careful discernment and do a LOT of research before taking courses and workshop or joining groups or following spiritual leaders. I still attend workshops because I get a lot from the various teachings but I maintain a very critical stance at all times now and I do a lot more research!

Careful discernment is very important.
Listen to the still small voice within.

Delight
16th June 2013, 00:18
.... The evidence that her teaching is helpful and healing successful is the constant flow of new clients and students. She certainly has new people in her classes (expensive certifications for different aspects of her teaching). But why would she still have the same clients? I thought:

Maybe its because SHE needs THEM.

I notice that some teachers I first heard about years ago are now onto "coaching". They tweet. They facebook. they have web seminars and email " newsletters. They promise the same thing lately EMPOWERMENT. Coaching is really insidious as it can go on forever. Also I ask, what is the issue here of taking on bigger and bigger nets to pull people in for coaching?

Spiritual "teachers" and "masters" and "Gurus" have been vamping the life energy of their followers for centuries. I am not suggesting that this is the case with all spiritual leaders, but it is definitely the case with some.

What I am going to say now may sound weird or controversial but here goes: the spiritual leaders who vamp life energy are always puppets for exceedingly nasty incorporeal astral/etheric beings who benefit from the energetic feast offered up by the followers. This energy is freely offered by the adoring followers, sucked up by the leader and then transmitted to the disembodied entity (call it a demon if you wish) that is attached to the leader. If you find this hard to believe, take a quiet moment and reflect on this: energy flows where attention goes.

What I am describing here is not unusual. I recently encountered a New Age leader, a visually attractive woman, who was clearly and obviously possessed and she has a lot of followers.

No wonder the true believers keep coming back. When they come under the thrall of the super vamp (disguised in the clothing of a wonderful new Age teacher) they very quickly they get stuck in an energetic rut and as times passes it becomes harder and harder to break away and find their own power because they have less and less energy to do so.

I have been taken in a few times. In my case it was two different spiritual organizations that gave out little nuggets of wisdom but they expected a great deal of money in return. I am ashamed to admit that in both cases I hung around for years even after my discernment was telling me something was wrong. That led to wasted life energy, wasted time and wasted money for me.

My takeaway lesson is to apply careful discernment and do a LOT of research before taking courses and workshop or joining groups or following spiritual leaders. I still attend workshops because I get a lot from the various teachings but I maintain a very critical stance at all times now and I do a lot more research!

Careful discernment is very important.
Listen to the still small voice within.

I appreciate your post and it makes sense. Thanks for sharing your story there.

One of the people I really like, George Kavassilas has accented the way WE actually contracted an agreement from the "entities" who use the "Glamorous Vampire". One can see sometimes the devolution of a teacher who is tempted. Then there is the story of The Christ's "40 days" in the desert.

Would one prefer to take the path where one will never be validated or the one where one is worshipped? The temptation is that the energy of adoration is so sweet. And George also says that Ego exists wherever there is a being. So temptation will necessarily be spiraling in a sense until MASTERED. The puppeteers must be just as retarded on a larger "scale".

The one with the knowledge of "doing the miraculous" will be tempted. Then I suppose if that one succeeds in resisting the temptation, I may never see him or her at all. So yes, suspicion that any GURU in the marketplace is not yet the MASTER. That one may never be seen?

Needy dovetails always with needy I think.

Hazel
16th June 2013, 06:35
Thank you for your interesting and challenging stories Delight and Northstar...

Mooji an impressively pragmatic Guru (you can find him on You Tube quite easily)... is very conscientious about such things and integrates these ethics into into his base teachings about finding true self.

DNA
16th June 2013, 10:19
I have to agree, most teaching tends to be a sort of vampirism. Sometimes it's harmless in terms of it being a momentary draining, and other times, I understand it is more nefarious, with a cord being attached and what not.

Apparently the most important thing you can do is
realize any attempt at personal liberation has to be
just that, personal.
The combination lock to your brain and ego are so
complex, that no two are made the same, as such, it
would be futile to think any one way, or one person
can tell you how to do it and set you scurrying off
into the cosmos with any one-size fits all application.
Time, diligence, isolation and synchronicity all play
a significant role in your ability to embody your
autonomous non-bound self.

We see examples of this in Lau Tzu, John the Baptist and
Henry David Thorough and we read about the miraculous knowledge
and perspective gained from their solitude, what we
don’t read about, are the scared insecure individuals
who knew not what the return was to be on their
investment for forsaking friends, relatives and
ambition.

I suppose one need not go to such extremes, but the point here is that these folks did not have teachers.