Looking into the future

[Cristian]

This is going to sound a bit weird…

If you want to know were you will be sometime in the future or how a certain situation develops, you can always visualize that moment from the future. The tricky part is …you have to empty your mind of any thoughts or desired outcomes.
This is not a New Age delusion it’s something real and very interesting to play with. I dare you guys to try this :)

Some personal observations:

1. Everything we are about to experience already happened .
2. Apparently there is a disturbing lack of choice. If I have a vision , things are going to happen that way regardless of my actions. Sometimes, me wanting to prevent something, only helps events unfolding the way I saw them.
3. I can only see events in the near future – hours up to several days. (with two notable exceptions).

Any thoughts or ideas on the subject are welcomed.

[Freed Fox]

Hmm...

Well, while I don't have any experience with this, I was wondering; what are the two 'notable exceptions' to the third principle you stated?

Also, (from another thread):

http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png

:p

[ghostrider]

i can't explain it, but I can see a couple days into the future but rarely speak about it as not to influence it ... I don't like attention and prefer to stay in the background... We create our reality by our thinking as you already know ... some things will be no matter what we do ... my dreams are surreal... I don't try to look , it just happens ... I've seen an event , today when I logged on , there was a post and video on the very event and even the exact person from my dream ... I feel it's a pay close attention to this event, it's a trigger ... okay, it was Syrian girl and the chemical weapons used in syria post ... I think jackovesk posted it ... I've seen an entire situation play out till the end ... i still can't tie in the snowy mountains, a university , and a car ( convertable) accident ... there is also an event in greece, with an unlikely outcome ...I'm hesitant to say these kinds of things, for fear of being a wacko ... I dreamed this last night three times ... down to the smallest detail ...i can remember what the people involved were wearing and saying , there were others watching besides me, couldn't see them , but could feel them ...

[Jake]

I have turned a corner a bit on my view of the future. I posit that the future cannot be predicted, only created. I am with Ghostrider, too many dreaming scenarios have manifested in waking physical reality for me to deny creation/manifestation. Many times, I cannot tell if I am dreaming of not. (How does one know, anyways?) The 'future' is a dream that I intend to become 'lucid' in!!!

Jake.

[Ioneo]

Human beings are so much more than what we have been taught. In fact, we have been purposely kept away from this knowledge in order to be more easily controlled.

[Jake]

Human beings are so much more than what we have been taught. In fact, we have been purposely kept away from this knowledge in order to be more easily controlled.

Yes, indeed. WELCOME TO AVALON!!!!

[Cristian]

Hey Jake,

I agree with what you wrote. Yes we create the future with our thoughts and actions . But we can also see the future before creating it. It's a bit complicated and confusing - for me that is.

[AwakeInADream]

I think that everything that is manifest in the physical world was first created in a higher world. The Tree of Life of the Kabbalah is a map of how manifestation starts in God/Source and then travel's down through the dimensions until it ends up here in the physical.

So being able to access these higher worlds can give you a good idea of what will happen in the future (since it already has happened higher up), but also, if you happen to be in that higher dimension observing events, then surely you can also alter these events for the better too.

As a rule, I would suggest that the higher dimension you operate in, the more power you have to make changes, but that also the higher up you are, the more likely it is that what exists there (or what changes you make) will be colored and distorted by the contents of each succeeding world below it. Certainly operating from 3D alone we are powerless to our fates, but not if we go up some, to our truer natures.:)

[Jake]

Okay, I admit,, this is a complicated explanation, but it has to do with our basic understanding of time.

I contend that all aspects of self operate simultaniously, and that no ONE thing happens before another. Just give me a minute here...

Time only SEEMS to exist. Time is how we come to experience the rate of change. All change is happening at a much higher level of SELF. As we observe CHANGE, 'time' is created and and understood. Self observation is what 'time' is,, self observation of the changes that our H.S. are going through. They simply manifest to us in the way that our linear belief system filters will allow!! Predicting the future is what happens when you strictly adhere to the linear world, and mindset of 'little me'. AND everyone experiences the rate of CHANGE differently, which is why 'time' is subjective to the observer. Experiencing 'time' is not what happens at higher levels. Change is what is experienced!! It is all a matter of taking a linear perspective or a Higher Self perspective. If you take 'little t' (time) out of many of the advanced quantom mathematics, then the equations get quite a bit simpler!! Meaning that our understanding of time is augmenting our experience, and our ability to commune with Higher self!!!

Okay,,, I am done ranting... This is indeed a subject that tough to hash through. I think we are saying the same thing... (i think)

Awakeinadream I love your avatar. I was hooked on that cartoon when I was younger.

Jake.

[Cristian]

Once again I agree with you Jake. I understand what you are saying.

But I can't help thinking something like I asked you : "do you know where the train station is" and you replied " we are the Universe itself experiencing life , dosent matter what direction you go" . Ok , true, but I really wanted to get to the train station.
I want to leave the big picture aside for a moment, and concentrate on a real 3d issue.

It may be pointless and a waste of time to discuss this only from the 3d viewpoint... but there may be practical reasons to do so.

[Bubu]

If indeed we can see into the future, which is to my understanding is true, then the future is predetermined. We do not have a freewill to choose what to do but we have a free will to choose how to feel going about the experience and that is the most important. Am I going to enjoy the experience or worry about it?

[Jake]

Once again I agree with you Jake. I understand what you are saying.

But I can't help thinking something like I asked you : "do you know where the train station is" and you replied " we are the Universe itself experiencing life , dosent matter what direction you go" . Ok , true, but I really wanted to get to the train station.
I want to leave the big picture aside for a moment, and concentrate on a real 3d issue.

It may be pointless and a waste of time to discuss this only from the 3d viewpoint... but there may be practical reasons to do so.

Got it! My apologies,, I am very wordy sometimes. A small analogy: Even if one had a map pointing to where the train station is,,, it would not do them any good if they did not know where they were!!
Cheers, Jake.

[chocolate]

I so love this thread!

I am with Jake here. Not because I like his avatar ;).

Thinking about predicting the future from a 3d perspective only is pointless in my opinion. The future changes constantly. Every choice of every living spec changes it. There are basic trends that stay in basic form, because of an accumulated "similarity" (so to speak), but everything else changes. Remember the saying that everything flows and that you can cross the same river only once.

Being involved in some sort of Remote viewing and reading and watching on this topic, I can give you links of experienced RV people who can explain why "future" as such does not exist. I tried to assimilate Jake's explanation with the quantum equations, but as much as I "feel" it is how he says it is, my technical knowledge in that area is not that much developed.

Having said all of the above I can only say, Christian, you can predict/see some basic trends only. But I would say, don't waste time, or do it if it makes you feel good and the activity keeps you entertained. Otherwise, trust life and go with it.

I was thinking actually about this today, about this same exact thing- do I want to know the future for myself. And I answered for myself "No". I have almost no fear in me anymore, so whatever comes- I am ready.

Funny thing happens, one night ago I dreamed about the tree of Life in Kabbalah, as a tattoo on someone's back [AwakeInADream ;)]

As far as the practicality for a person to try to see the future, with my dad we are sort of people who do that. What we actually do I think is not to predict, but more to try to connect different points from different streams in order to "see" certain thing developing. This is predominantly logic and thinking than prediction.
If you focus your mind on what you want to predict and do not allow distraction for a while, in a relaxed manner, the so called meditation, than probably you can "predict" the thing that interests you, but again the information is fragile. (and it does not come from your own mind, it is given to you; you just have made room for it to appear clearly for your conscious mind by quieting it).

[BrianEn]

I've decided that freewill vs. destiny doesn't matter. Whether which one is true doesn't matter. I can be shown two paths and take one. How do I really know if I was destined to take that path or I simply chose to take that path. I may have been destined to take that path only to not succeed and learn a valuable lesson or I chose the wrong one. That's a question that drives me nuts so I'm choosing to to try and come up with an an answer or was I destined to give it up?

[chocolate]

I've decided that freewill vs. destiny doesn't matter. Whether which one is true doesn't matter. I can be shown two paths and take one. How do I really know if I was destined to take that path or I simply chose to take that path. I may have been destined to take that path only to not succeed and learn a valuable lesson or I chose the wrong one. That's a question that drives me nuts so I'm choosing to to try and come up with an an answer or was I destined to give it up?

I said to my sister several days ago something I had read somewhere:
"It does not matter which road you will choose, because they all will lead you to the same point at the end. What matters is the motive that made you choose the particular road". Or "All roads lead to Rome", it speaks about the same.

BTW, in Hinduism, in their old astrology teachings, it is stated that the whole life of a person is written in the astrology chart [which is quite different from what we use now]. But there, again, they stick to predicting basic trends in a person's life, like what to avoid, which career is right for the person, if he will have problems in his family and why, what health problems to expect, things like that.
So, from that perspective also future as a matter of personal will or choice does not exist as we are used to think about it.

Namaste!

[Hazel]

Other Viewpoints:

The way of the Nagal says that second attention and intent is the key to affecting the future.
Within shamanic practices there are movements that can be learned that intercede with matrix of time, place and ones position in it at any given point. Recapitulation and dreaming work set the ground for the ease of such movements.

But what makes most sense to me is the residing in simply being with what is, with barely a ripple on the pond.. no matter what arises... this affects present and future experiences in a powerful way. From such a position all fuss of the need for specific outcomes becomes folly and there is easeful awareness of what is in the moment while observing. In other words when we are being cogent with inner and outer occurrences, our actions/words are then unshackled by the struggles of the false self striving for meaningless things.

No need for seeing into the future when we recognise 'all that is'.. is exactly where it should be in its playing-out of itself only because we are the perceiver in the act of perceiving it.

No need to be in the drama of attempting to control the rolling dice.. just be the dice or with the dice as it rolls and enjoy the ride ;)

[greybeard]

I've decided that freewill vs. destiny doesn't matter. Whether which one is true doesn't matter. I can be shown two paths and take one. How do I really know if I was destined to take that path or I simply chose to take that path. I may have been destined to take that path only to not succeed and learn a valuable lesson or I chose the wrong one. That's a question that drives me nuts so I'm choosing to to try and come up with an an answer or was I destined to give it up?

I have read what several enlightened souls have said on the subject of free will.
The answer more or less is.
You must act as though you have and this is the case--- however, from a higher perspective there never was a individual person to have free will.
You are, it would seem, here to experience, so That which you are, sets up potential for events to happen before it manifests within the human body as a seeming separate me. We had to forget our Divinity for this to work---so within this illusion "Samsara" we have free will such as you have in your dreams.
Looking into the future is fun in the dream--you may even get it right after all its your dream.
Find out who the dreamer is--- not easy but it has been done.
Chris

[BrianEn]

I really like that Greybeard.

[kersley]

Tell me more tell me more.
In my dream I saw buildings falling down, people running everywhere. I find when you watch a movie, you tend to dream something similar to what you have seen in that movie.

[kersley]

Human beings are so much more than what we have been taught. In fact, we have been purposely kept away from this knowledge in order to be more easily controlled.

How about starting a thread on the said subject? Lets try find out what this Knowledge is. Then we can tell the controllers to piss off..

[Youniverse]

This is going to sound a bit weird…

If you want to know were you will be sometime in the future or how a certain situation develops, you can always visualize that moment from the future. The tricky part is …you have to empty your mind of any thoughts or desired outcomes.
This is not a New Age delusion it’s something real and very interesting to play with. I dare you guys to try this :)

Some personal observations:

1. Everything we are about to experience already happened .
2. Apparently there is a disturbing lack of choice. If I have a vision , things are going to happen that way regardless of my actions. Sometimes, me wanting to prevent something, only helps events unfolding the way I saw them.
3. I can only see events in the near future – hours up to several days. (with two notable exceptions).

Any thoughts or ideas on the subject are welcomed.

Yes in fact this is how psychics see the future, because time is an illusion, an abstraction of our collective mind. So this is why when they see it, it appears to them as if it is happening right now. Because it is. I would disaggree with the part about the lack of choice however. Always, always, always there is choice. Whenever it appears that there is no choice, it is only because one cannot see the whole picture, vision is obscured somehow.

I suppose, the more experienced one is at meditation, the more easy it would be to empty ones mind of thoughts or desired outcomes and then focus on the future.

[72MAV27]

What's up Cristian? Great thread. Here is my 2 cents.

I think when when we visualize and clear our minds in the way you spoke of we operating closer to our true nature. From that perspective we can do many things that some people call "supernatural".

When it comes to viewing the so called future in my opinion it's more like you being at a point where you are in tune with what the most probable out come of the way your life (thoughts,emotions,relationships,environment,etc.) is trending. In my opinion what we call the future is never set in stone. But always in a state of probability depending on many factors. It seems as if it changes moment to moment. This is a deep subject so it's hard to try to put in words

I do think that certain things in your life are what we would call destined to happen on a personal level. I think your spirit or higher self or whatever you chose to call it chooses certain experiences for you to go thru before you incarnate here. It seems as tho its usually some sort of hardship or trials and tribulations. It seems as tho this is a good place to grow and learn.

Peace

[bodhii71]

I think the more advanced the "practitioner" the less the desire to affect a future outcome. It becomes much more obvious that the current moment is where any change can be exacted, and knowledge of cause and effect will unfold in a natural way.
I tend to get mixed up in non-duality to the point where it becomes hijacked by the ego, then find myself becoming aware again to my sleepy state.
I think there are sign posts and hints along the way but we shouldn't get too lost in that equation.
And then I think of those who were realized and each one was moved to awaken itself to itself. (Christ, Buddha, Ghandi,on and on)

Edit- I had a moment in my life when much younger I operated from a less than noble way, aware I was doing a wrong, yet did so anyway.
What I experienced was a deep regret not only from where I was in that point in time, but also it seemed to echo out across my future, and I had spoiled a very dear state of being. It was very real and tangible sense of spiritual falling and seemed to continually manifest until I learned this crucial lesson.
It proved to be a very real lesson in Karmic behavior... it seemed altering one's destiny has more to do with the thoughts and deeds which we give power to.

[greybeard]

I think the more advanced the "practitioner" the less the desire to affect a future outcome. It becomes much more obvious that the current moment is where any change can be exacted, and knowledge of cause and effect will unfold in a natural way.
I tend to get mixed up in non-duality to the point where it becomes hijacked by the ego, then find myself becoming aware again to my sleepy state.
I think there are sign posts and hints along the way but we shouldn't get too lost in that equation.
And then I think of those who were realized and each one was moved to awaken itself to itself. (Christ, Buddha, Ghandi,on and on)

Brilliant.
Eckhart Tolle said--"There are no accidents the totality brings it about"
When asked if we could speed up the changing consciousness he more or less said "Keep out of the way of it, That knows what its doing".
We have no idea what the big picture is but for sure things they are a changing.
Human beings are an evolutionary species for sure we are no where near the peak of this.
We are all the Buddha in disguise.
Think the future is that we are about to find out what we really are.
That is what has been hidden from us.

Chris

[Bubu]

The human being is a self-propelled automaton entirely under the control of external influences. Willful and predetermined though they appear, his actions are governed not from within, but from without. He is like a float tossed about by the waves of a turbulent sea.Nikola Tesla


We are automata entirely controlled by the forces of the medium, being tossed about like corks on the surface of the water, but mistaking the resultant of the impulses from the outside for free will.Nikola Tesla

History haven't seen a man who clearly understood the wheel work of the universe better than Nikola Tesla.

But then again we have a choice whether to be sad or happy with whatever experience and that is what matters.:confused::sad::laugh:

[onawah]

This has been posted on the Here and Now thread and elsewhere, but I think it has useful info for this thread too.
Drunvalo is unique in that he has had a lot of communication with many indigenous elders all over the world re what the current Shift is all about.
Prophecy, destiny, seeing into the future and related subjects are all a part of his discussion with George Noory and the callers.
The interview starts at about 8 minutes in.
I always find Drunvalo gives me lots to think about, though exercising discernment is always advisable.

Xx-s04QQ5Hk

[ghostrider]

This kind of exploring with energy and dreams and such is needed now, we won't fully understand the mechanisms and the basic how it works guide, until we talk about it, learn from each other, and basically explore and let our potential take it's course ... we use 10 percent of our minds when awake, 90 percent is asleep, time to tap into the 90 percent ...you'll be surprised where your own energy can take you and what it is capable of ...

[mahalall]

There seems to be an angle of refraction from when the event is seen to it happening. By this i mean, one seems to be in a different position of rotation on viewing from the then to the now.

[TraineeHuman]

Is there such a “separate thing” as “The Future”? Or is it kind of inextricably entangled and enmeshed with the present?

If what I’m suggesting is the case, then you over here can’t choose a supposed future over there because too much of it is already present “in here” somewhere, only in a kind of wrapped up state. That would be kind of like, say, a flag that will get fully unfurled at some “future” point but it’s also already all here in a quite “furled” form. In that sense, you have no free will. But such “free will” would have been “freedom” only to indulge a fiction.

So, do you have “free will” in some true sense, in the eternal Now? What I would suggest is that the answer is neither Yes nor No. Rather, the answer is that the very notion of “free will” is meaningless. I didn’t say that either the notion of “freedom” or of “will” is meaningless. Indeed, these are very basic to and very real in all universes at virtually all levels. But the main question of this thread is, I suggest meaningless, much like it would be meaningless to speculate about what is the true color, and the spin direction, of the number four.

Add to this the fact that time doesn’t really “flow”, at all; that all there is is the eternal Now. What do you get? Well, for a start it’s clear that the eternal Now keeps changing. Also that it gets changed by whatever’s happening now – and not by what happens in some “future” outside the Now that’s a total fiction anyway.