What's Happened with AMMACH? Has the sh*t hit the proverbial fan? [Archive]

Poly Hedra

18th June 2013, 00:00

This is a comment taken from the comments section on this video
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"megawatts10662 days ago
I have nothing to do with Ammach, Joanne has been stabbing me in the back for at least 2 months I now hear, and have no wish to be connected with such a disingenuous person. Gather she is compiling a dossier on me.. or whatever."

I will add the rest now. I have to keep saving my posts as I'm on a infuriating ipad.

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Taken from the comments in this video:

"megawatts10662 days ago
Its simply too messy, I was in formed from day one Ammach was compromised. and its wasn't me. The only other was Joanne. My task was to do what I could to protect and make the brave witnesses look and be their best as they gave their statements. AND Having to see who and what the compromised issue was. One witness has stated that she told her whom she really was, but we will leave that off screen. The whole affair, including the show itself has been one big lie."

turiya

18th June 2013, 00:33

Not to worry. Looks like its more about money... than anything else.

This from the description on that last video:

Published on Jun 14, 2013

Ammach update 006, The old Ammach team is back for one last time. We cover the two conferences, held in Sept 2012 and the spring event in 2013. The Black Goo makes its presence felt in an advertisment for the Channel 4 programme, which was started production in late 2012, and aired on June 13th 2013.
And with a Stop Press!! update from Dave Marrow (Ref Bases 7) on a crash of an ancient Viking ET craft in the Orkney Islands, which also effected Northern Ireland. This claim requires verification. This is a Black Goo story, which is now the big thing to research.

Marie Kayali's Brain Scan implant is also a last minute extra in this packed update.
Which covers a wide range of aspects of the Ammach Project which was an idea by David Griffin, taken on board by Joanne, and started up with Miles in Jan 2012.

As its clear established media will not do the subject any favours, or treat it seriously, its now imperative that an independent media hub and headquaters is established. So Joanne and Miles now make a formal request for major funding to do so. Donate via respective websites.
So this is the final edit for Ammach by Undergroudvideouk, which is closing down its West London facility.

turiya :cool:

Poly Hedra

18th June 2013, 00:38

I wish it were that simple. Both those videos were uploaded on June 14th. Both the comments were made on the 17th.

There are more comments.

turiya

18th June 2013, 00:43

I wish it were that simple. Both those videos were uploaded on June 14th. Both the comments were made on the 17th.

There are more comments.

Yes, I 've been reading... perhaps, Avalon member, Marie Kayali can tell us more?

I suspect that there is a legal issue involved here, which translates into... money.

turiya :cool:

Agape

18th June 2013, 00:46

Work overload . It's been too much on everybody . I found the document most interesting , from psychological perspective ..no matter who 'failed' and who 'won'.

But, as Miles noted previously ..critics eyes will be unto us ..for lack of scientific entertainment . Barry M King provides good commentary on his blog :

http://disclosureexposed.wordpress.com/2013/06/

My take on “Confessions of an Alien Abductee” Channel4 programme...

My take is ...

Simon did great . He exposed things to a deal that very few dared to say in such an open and civil manner . The problem is that it sounds too crazy to average joe to even consider it real .

Poor dear Maria should not have been questioned in front of cameras just few month after losing her daughter . It's psychologically anti-pathic . Being interviewed and exposed to public scrutiny is NOT form of a therapy( Miles ) ,
it does not serve your ego , it does not make your emotions better, you do it either because you have things to say and give to others or because , you feel totally fed up with life events and think that proving it to everyone will repair that .

I really dislike those many newly released documentaries based on someones anger against someones else .

Testing someone 'in grief' on such serious matters means putting them to disadvantage, first place, no matter the objectives. The polygraph test failed because her mind is still broken . Not so the mind of the tester .

Lady Chantal was fun , that's again, not showing anything to common outsider . It shows more of the interiors and how people get messed up seriously because the society fail to acknowledge that it's going on, stress circle difficult to break .

I suggest, yes more professionalism is absolutely necessary, more research to all accounts, and witnesses,
comparative studies conducted in discrete settings and top notch technologies that are already available to be able to even touch the advances of those technologies millions of years away and ahead .

What Miles n Joanne do deserves applaus not ridicule.

:hug:

Poly Hedra

18th June 2013, 00:52

Just another comment from the first video I posted:

"megawatts10663 days ago
Yes. I have been a resercher for almost my entire life. Joanne was dis-inegenous by not declaring her implant and abduction history. The situation is quite simple. She should have therapy and healing, but under no circum,stances come into contact with abductees or contactees whatesoever."

I guess nobody is none the wiser at this moment. Marie had her daughters inquest today so I wont be bothering her.

turiya

18th June 2013, 00:58

...as Miles noted previously ..critics eyes will be unto us ..for lack of scientific entertainment . Barry M King provides good commentary on his blog :
http://disclosureexposed.wordpress.com/2013/06/

My take on “Confessions of an Alien Abductee” Channel4 programme...
Poor dear Maria should not have been questioned in front of cameras just few month after losing her daughter .

Lady Chantal was fun , that's again, not showing anything to common outsider . It shows more of the interiors and how people get messed up seriously because the society fail to acknowledge that it's going on, stress circle difficult to break .

I suggest, yes more professionalism is absolutely necessary, more research to all accounts, and witnesses, comparative studies conducted in discrete settings and top notch technologies that are already available to be able to even touch the advances of those technologies millions of years away and ahead .

What Miles n Joanne do deserves applaus not ridicule. :hug:

Yes, agreed. The Chantelle/Channel4 thing was more like a ridicule on AMMACH than anything else.

turiya :cool:

norman

18th June 2013, 01:25

A common factor is all it is.

I remember this happen to Bill and Kerry.

I DO find it interesting that this has popped up right around the CH4 program.

My guess is that 'operatives' have popped up out of the woodwork ( passing themselves off as influential agents that can make a person's career ) and set to work on part 2 of the "destroy the truthers" mission that the CH4 program was just part one of.

Flash

18th June 2013, 01:29

Sérénité

18th June 2013, 11:07

I've watched pretty much all the Ammach videos and the Bases interviews, so was really looking forward to the CH4 documentary last week...not with the intention to find out anything I haven't gleaned from them already, but in the hope my husband (who is so deep asleep it could pass for a coma) along with all of the other CH4 viewers, would sit up and take some notice.

Whether the filming was intentionally humoured-up and mislead to make light entertainment, as it often is with the MSM, I don't know.
What I do know is it left me deflated and feeling awkward, the contactee's looking daft and my husband having 60 minutes of bad tv to back up his claims that 'you're all maaaad!'

The fuller original interviews with the contactee's needed to be hit on and shown, to show them in their true colours and make them come across as more genuine and real as they are. Maybe one hour long show should have focused on just one contactee alone, they were all misrepresented by being spread too thin which i feel has done nobody involved any good whatsoever.

I hope whatever is going on can be rectified and salvaged. There isn't a great deal of UK based points of contact for things of this nature, it would be sad to see it infiltrated and injected beyond repair with disinformation and greed.

Agape

18th June 2013, 11:31

I have an opinion in formation , and ..find a bit difficult to stomach it at the moment . If I say my suspicions openly , I'll be called 'Agape the Black Sheep' as usually when I have radically different opinion ,
besides that, I have not watched all the autumn interviews and wonder if I want to .

I rather wonder of what help can I be to all these confused people who are all experiencers, witnesses, researchers and whistleblowers at the same time ,
as most of us ..are volunteering roles and posts when necessary and possible ,

however to them I'll be forever less ...

so it's kind of difficult to be of much help .

Well, I may but try.

:angel:

Limor Wolf

18th June 2013, 12:20

Very sorry to hear it. My feelings always was and is that there is no one who can co-operate with the mainstream media and stay 'alive'. The desire to permeate into public awrness is understood, but doomed in the current climate where every thing is utilized to a benefit of a certain agenda which is tried to be imposed on us.

Joanne and Miles, without enetering into any type of gossip, have taken upon themselves to do something which is highly worthwhile, helpful in intention and also risky. Any thought that they will be left alone to do their 'thing' is unrealistically naive. We are now living at times where we are requiered to have a lot of mental strength, we are being infiltrated whether we are on public eyes or simply playing anonymously whitin the wals of our homes. those who do not feel it now, will unfortunetly probably feel it in the future. All this will strengthen our 'spiritual muscle'. I have recieved a good advice and a good response from Joanne after I questioned something and I wish them both all the best. Good and honest intentions and intiations such as the Ammach project are priceless.

marie kayali

18th June 2013, 14:25

The lie test set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYcUVVGxAe8

marie kayali

18th June 2013, 14:31

good article from Chris French which is a surprise

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/jun/18/confessions-alien-abductee-channel-4?CMP=twt_fd

Agape

18th June 2013, 14:36

Pushing for evidence is not helpful against intelligencies whose nature you don't understand .

“The proof that the little prince existed is that he was charming, that he laughed, and that he was looking for a sheep. If anybody wants a sheep, that is a proof that he exists.”
― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince

Some people think Exupery too had an ET encounter/s when he was flying and got lost in the desert . I believe it's true. It's incredibly wise book no matter your age.

People tend to make their world more and more complicated, creating more pain for themselves than without all the proofs.

:wave:

Agape

18th June 2013, 14:42

good article from Chris French which is a surprise

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/jun/18/confessions-alien-abductee-channel-4?CMP=twt_fd

I think , on the other hand that it was very interesting and incredibly entertaining from psychological perspective documentary . The problem is ..if you don't know what you're doing , doing it in front of cameras is always fun.

It's a pioneering project ..and not the main objective of research, these movies.

Hugs n prayers

:pray:

Limor Wolf

18th June 2013, 14:56

The lie test set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYcUVVGxAe8

Marie, can you say more about the 'set up' part?

jackovesk

18th June 2013, 16:33

Storm in a :tea:

Agape

18th June 2013, 20:33

The lie test set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYcUVVGxAe8

Well, I watched every minute of this very important piece of documentary and am currently still with my opinion from previous page.

Marie should not have been subjected to this openly stressful testing few months after losing her daughter. Whilst our superficial and outer functioning may appear to be 'in norm' , several defence mechanisms of consciousness are often 'down' or you'd say better 'off' for several month at least .

It's of course, valid for both genders to a degree but women tend to be more subjective and hurt in that period and tend to take self destructive or simply random decisions while we still perceive ourselves to be absolutely correct, plausible and strong on outside .

Few generations earlier, they'd simply keep her home and do not allow others to disturb her, she is fantastic the way she functions on her own ,
but it does not deny the fact that something very serious happened to deal with and therapy to sooth the trauma should be really based on support of reliable psychologist than contactee support group struggling for finances, proofs and professionals.

She did not have to undergo any such test to prove things to herself or anyone,

the test in the hands of Chairman of Polygraphic Association is obviously not a toy to be played with , it's used at courts worldwide with people who are serious suspects of a crime. Witnesses or what you call you 'abductees' are not criminals .

There are many experimental uses of similar devices, vis those scientology e-meters for example , I suggest perhaps for Marie to search this forum for threads about auditing and ask Bill Ryan for help .
It may help to explain her better the way the meters function and it seems to take many n many of hours of training to most individuals to be able to confirm their own mental capacity against the measuring .

They have now also rather cheap EEG biofeedback platforms for mobile use such as the Mindwave Kit : http://www.mindtecstore.com/index.php/en/mindwave-mobile-brainwave-starter-kit

which any individual can operate themselves at home, test yourself, research your brain wave patterns and what way do you actually respond to certain stimuli.
Besides they're advertised as great tool for mental training without the danger of being manipulated or having to rely necessarily on someone else .

I want to get one too .

I'm feeling saddened and disturbed by what I am seeing is going on here . Even my spell checker won't function anymore if I give it 'a go'..

:pray:

Ria

18th June 2013, 23:42

Sérénité

19th June 2013, 11:25

Miles has worked very hard and constantly without remuneration, frequently though the night to get videos out by the morning.Helping people left right and centre.
He could do with some donations, he dose not have an income, this is due to what he knows and the work he has carried out. The situation he has been dealing with is serious. Please support his work.
Bless you.

This was my defence while watching the documentary with my husband. He wouldn't give it an inch of his inner conscience to think was it genuine. It saddens me people are so closed minded and judgemental.

I always doubted David Icke, just a little, a little bit of wonder, then you see his home, how he lives a very average working class lifestyle. This was also apparent with Miles.
These people aren't in it for the money or fame, they're in it for genuine reasons, to help others and because its their calling.

They give their time and energy for free, to be interviewed and give interviews. Should this alone not make people think these people need to be listened to with an open mind and heart? I really do despair at times!

I hope everyone involved gets the respect and help they deserve.

Ria

20th June 2013, 05:59

Talk From the Green Room Ep001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Fq09HOEhM
Published on Jun 19, 2013
Frank Zero (USA) and Miles Johnston (UK) discuss important issues surrounding the trashing of AMMACH by Channel 4, in the "Mock-You-mentary" by Off The Fence Productions, Confessions of an Alien Abductee, and other possible names for the subject to move on. Humiliation and mockery of vulnerable people for media trash ratings, seems to have been the aim, at the expense of the reputations and duty of care of those who are suffering strange events in their lives.

Limor Wolf

20th June 2013, 06:35

I have watched the documantry. I feel affinity with abductees and certainly with the the people who so couragously chose to put their lives out there for the eyes of the public for scrutiny, as well as with AMMACH. There could be a difference between cultures, but I haven't seen anything that was presented in such a way that can be called - mockery.
Such a TV show could never be done in Israel, we do not talk here about those things, but if it would have been presented here, then the word mockery would take a new meaning.

No outer trashing can be done unless we let it. Why to collaborate with the TV in the first place? this is a very unusual subject in our society, no matter how real it actually is, we can't expect people to recieve it the way we experiencer can. It is hidden to most, it is not understood and is the biggest concealment ever in the history of men, maybe except for the fact that their is life after this life and no death except that of the body.

It's a heavy burden to carry such a thing in your life, not to mention harrasment by government factors. I believe, for now, disclosure needs to come from professionals whom the public may listen to more attentively such as Edgar Mitchel and Paul Hellier. The expectations when participating in such a TV show, when trying to integrate the Alternative with the distorted reality of the mainstream media should not be high, this fusion comes not as good as we would like it to be. If its done already then a self responsibility should be taken on our decisions. It is hard to cry 'wolf' if we chose to go and take a walk with it.

However, the TV program was not that bad, really

With Love,

Limor

marie kayali

22nd June 2013, 23:07

Maybe some clarity on the situation

To Miss Joanne Summerscales

Firstly I have already removed myself from your group before the show was aired actually.

Secondly I do not have access to delete anything. I have made a couple of well founded remarks
that I stand by but actually Miss Summerscales , in my opinion you seem to be getting off rather
too lightly for my liking.

I cannot believe that you are still refusing to take any responsibility for what
has become a living nightmare.

Let me enlighten you in case you have been living on Mars for the last three weeks.

What on earth was that pile of crap you walked me into?? You lied with Off the Fence
Productions blatantly from day one. It has become apparent that you were well
aware of this character assassination and farce of a programme.

I find it incomprehensible that, as a so called therapist and support group founder,
you did not exercise one tiny particle of duty of care during the whole
period of filming or shown the slightest bit of interest afterwards.

I have been left to pick up the pieces of my life after this complete character
assassination.
Miles has now released the two hour polygraph test. Having watched it, I have to say
I find it highly disturbing on so many levels. The comments alone will give you an idea.
I cannot believe that I let myself be put through this obvious farce and not to mention
gross misconduct by Terry Mullins.

I won't even go in to the complaints I have about the doc. It's sleezy, underhanded,
mocking, in very bad taste where Gina is concerned and my family are absolutely fuming,
especially her father.
I have had a worse response from channel 4 than I have had from you.
Off the fence have also climbed back under their rocks like cockroaches aswell.

Where is this counsellor we were promised ,who would see us through any bad publicity
or any other issues?
Where is anyone's duty of care? Where is the support?

I cannot believe as a trained 'therapist' and I use the term loosely, that you have behaved the
way you have. Sending email faking puzzlement and bewilderment as to why I am angry?
That will not work with me Miss Summerscales and will not protect you either.

What on earth are you on is more to the question. How dare you ask me that after what
you have put me through over the weeks. What am I on,? The cheek of you.

I also think that what you did to Miles was appalling. After all the hard work and effort and long hours
he has put in, it's obvious what kind of person you are, to treat Miles the way you have. And that
has also become apparent as being the plan all along for quite a while with you it seems now.

At least he was owed a professional consultation, which occurs in the most basic of relationships
and you did not even have the courtesy to offer him that.

I also resent being caught up in the middle and as the go between, when you know I had
other serious issues to deal with. Take responsibilty for you own mess please.

As you have failed in your role as a therapist, a support group, a friend, I cannot comprehend
how on earth you foresee yourself working with children or continuing with this farce
that you call support.

I will reiterate that I did not come to Ammach for support but rather to tell my story, meet
some like minded people and perhaps get some new information. So I will not even
go into your failings as a support group.

I would also like to say that so far I have not done any mud slinging as yet. But your
obvious reluctance to confront what you have done and accept responsibility, has left me no
alternative but to expose you in public.
I will be releasing all correspondence online, from yourself, Off The Fence, Channel4 and Terry Mullins
and my responses. You have seen fit to feel its acceptable to have my integrity, honesty and my
whole life slandered in public and my full name revealed in media, against assurances to
the contrary.
I think I have the right to reveal all the nonsense that has been going on and will not 'keep a lid'
on anything for you again.

You will all be hearing from my solicitor.

Marie Kayali

Limor Wolf

23rd June 2013, 06:35

Ria

23rd June 2013, 14:38

Marie Kayali, Joanne Summerscales is a nothing, she feeds of others to be a some body.
I was more than mystified at her ability to provide nothing of what she said she dose.
What you have already done by coming forward is of great value. I am deeply sorry for what has happened to you.
You have been brilliant and could do a far better job at helping people, your experience speaks volume‎s.

Spiral

23rd June 2013, 15:00

Could J S be an agent of the intelligence agencies ?

I have for some time thought that she seemed to "egg on" interviewees into the more incredulous areas rather than towards a more coherent narrative, I'm not thinking of Marie here but some of the other interviews.

Agape

23rd June 2013, 15:30

In Truth . And whom does this all argument help ? The Ammach ? The abductees ? The Cause ?

Call in the lawyers and they'll tell us all on whose side they are. Call in the bigger media Marie and tell them how you've been deceived .
You may not understand that Joanne or Miles or anyone else on the stage are bound to receive about the same amount of doubt and ridicule as you did, that we are all in it together . Whom are you fighting for ?
Your own credibility . Do you claim to KNOW all the truth ? Anything solid to hold to ?

You must understand that it's NOT the case.

The Ammach people might be the ones who took you seriously . If you know of better people, please ..please... LET ME KNOW.

You are far from being illiterate and you knew from the start how many people actually, run this project, just open the website and read.
Didn't you know from Miles n Joanne what is the real state of affairs ?

I've not seen Joanne taking the Ammach down. I'm deeply sorry for what has happened to you in your precious life but this is not the way to help yourself,
the other people involved in this are about the same helpless as you are.

:confused:

Flash

23rd June 2013, 15:31

Dear Marie,

It looks as if all of you have been infiltrated, there are so many ways to do it today. I would like to send you (all) positive and soothing energies, love, harmony and peace in your heart. It is such a saddend thing to see the playful manipulations done on people who have something to offer to make them divided and immersed in anger and conflict. The depth of your emotions is understood after all you have been through and obviously still are. Even if we don't know each other, with great care to you, I would like to say to you to please leave it. You are now in a midst of a whirlwind and things looks different when you are in it as opposed to when you are out of it. Let the wind calm down and you will see that anything about this program is not that bad when it comes to the audience view. It is just a TV program. Some will never believe it and say nasty things about people who are beeing abducted, that's the nature of ignorance. There is something else that is going on, and it was done via this program. A very subtle play is done here and unfortunetly you are now uncounsciously helping them playing it. this is how THEY work and you know who the 'they' are.

Any washing of dirty laundry in public or mud slinging as you called it will hurt you even more. That is what THEY want, don't you see?
Please don't let them. you played too bravely by their rules and now they wish to take you down (not literally). A long breath needs to be taken now as well as stepping out of this whirlwind of emotions, you are a brave lady, marie, and you can do it. Please don't let them play with you without you noticing it and don't play along this 'divide and rule' game inflicted uopn you, as justified as you may think it is. There are people here who may offer you support, and support with energies, this is what we are here for. I just personally ask you to not use Avalon as a platform for a washing dirty laundry. the strom will pass, the air will clear and then you will understand what had happened .

Many Blessings,

~^&*~^&*

Limor

I agree 100% with Limor.

From a viewer point of view, meaning me, this program was not bad at all. From the regular folk point of view, it was entertaining, fly out, but it still get into our unconscious and does its work. And the three of you, Chantelle, Simon and you Marie were quite sympathetic in fact. If anyone one think you were weirdoes, well, they will also think you were sympathetic ones. And from there, you get into their hearts.

Also, think larger than Britain. For the American public, that show was perfect for awakening consciousness (the intellectual side of things often escapes us here).

Next time they will hear of someone having been kidnap by weird beings, or that they will do something out of their nature (programming), or yet they will see something crooked in the government, you picture and words may come to their mind. They will not even know it is you who did the consciousness work and shared it, but yet, it will come to them.

Once again, remember Icke's work and difficulties. To finally be quite recognized.

I am all with you about your pain and understanding for wanting to have those who inflicted it on you and your daughter in the open. You know that I am. Yet, do not play their game for this to really happen.

All my love to you Marie,

Flash

Chester

23rd June 2013, 17:01

I've just been on youtube and it seems that Joanne Summerscales has been outed?
Miles talking about how he was set up.
Something about Joanne being an experiencer and not disclosing this.
Lots of insults being thrown around.

Does anyone know what's going on????

The problem is that with most human beings on earth these days, if you disclose you are an experiencer, you risk limiting your audience because they automatically assume your reporting would be biased.

Sad but its the way most of us react. We want "clean, unbiased, agendaless driven reporting" and we cannot accept that a reporter could actually do a good job if it is perceived they may also have a dog in the hunt.

On the other hand, who could ask better questions than someone who has actually had their own experiences along these lines?

Too bad we can't get over that hump... in fact, it is outright sad.

Ria

24th June 2013, 00:26

For some time strange things have been going on.
When your in the middle of all this, discerning what is real and what is not and who is reliable is not so easy.
Miles for many years has been involved with UFO research set up net works in this area and has had many contacts in this area and related subjects this was in tandem with his work for many years in radio and TV. Miles has talk about this here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59885-Conversations-with-Miles-Johnson
Joanna S per-sued Miles for some time to get him to do the filming The arrangement was that she would provide help to the people that came, which she did not do, she would drop those that did not wont to be on camera also volunteers came forward to offer professional help she dropped them to.
Primarily Miles was doing most of the work doing all the filming, editing, providing the equipment as well as providing a good chunk of the contacts that Joanna was keen to piggy back on.
Miles makes no claims to being a therapist yet he was working night and day one way and another, with no remuneration yet carrying the expenses.
Also information was coming out of a worrying nature. You don't assume all information to be correct.
What I can say, there always seem to be dramas and difficulties.
I choose energetically to stay away. Contacts of mine reported different things I am declining on the details.
I support Miles in the valuable work that he dose. Please be clear it is people coming to him asking him for help and setting up a group, this was not his plan for himself, I know he will do what he can because he is like that.
Right now he could do with a home and a payed job.
peace
x

ktlight

24th June 2013, 13:00

Well said, Ria.

BUMP!!!!!!!!!

marie kayali

24th June 2013, 22:49

I really cannot believe the patronizing tone from most of you, I shall not be posting in here again

creative_expansion

8th July 2013, 00:38

Marie you have lots of real people that matter supporting you , lots of these people have no idea a fraction of it. you are so brave, classy, intelligent and a wonderful soul. you have loads of supporters of your own all over. <3

I really cannot believe the patronizing tone from most of you, I shall not be posting in here again

marie kayali

17th July 2013, 07:57

Well said, Ria.

BUMP!!!!!!!!!

happy everyone?

creative_expansion

17th July 2013, 08:16

your fantastic <3 you xxxxxxx

megawatts1066

17th July 2013, 09:57

For Marie Kayali, it is not you doing the hacking it is 3rd parties. My email is hacked, as are many others, as Ammach is directly from source..
I hold you in the highest possible regard, and regard you as one of the finest most intelligent and able people I have ever met.
I salute and support you.
An attack on you is an attack me.

As by your request, I will make parts 1,2,3 public. Dated July 17th 2013

I wish you every success, fulfillment and happiness, and send blessings, love and good tidings to Marie Kayali, a fine and brilliant woman.

Timewaster

17th July 2013, 11:09

I dont know why Marie is attacking Miles?
He has only ever said positive things about her, like what a brave and strong person she is......

Jake

17th July 2013, 13:45

For what it is worth. Marie, I, for one am appalled by the 'set up' interview. That man was there to destroy you. That is obvious. I really admired your courage. I thought you were a very good sport about it. I am not sure how I would react if I was fed to the dogs like this. You came to AMMACH at a time when they were being compromised, and fell into a trap.

You have my upmost respect, Marie. You are a fighter for truth, and it does not go unnoticed. You do have folks at Avalon that are pulling for you!! I wish you all of the best with your health. I know that this has all been traumatic, to say the least. Take your time, Marie. Be well. Your story will be better embraced if you are not forced in a 'defensive' posture.

If there are those here at Avalon who are attacking Marie inadvertently or directly, it will not go unnoticed. I realize that this event is having a big impact, and that folks have a right to want to get to the crux of an issue like this. Try and remember that in the middle of all of this cloak-n-dagger,,, real people are getting hurt. I would like Avalon to be a place where Marie can find a bit of peace. There is a story to be uncovered here. Everyone needs to do some soul searching. Lets move forward with dignity and respect for each other.

Cheers to all... Jake.

ktlight

17th July 2013, 18:29

aranuk

17th July 2013, 19:21

What I cannot understand is why Marie or Miles didn't ask the polygraph guy to see the evidence for his judgement. If I were there I would have wanted to see the squiggles on each of the 4 parts which led to his final declaration. Also did Joanne Summerscales set that up?

Stan

Jake

18th July 2013, 04:44

marie kayali

18th July 2013, 09:10

I did ask and insisted because I knew he was lying and I wanted him to show me and he wouldnt so it almost ended in a fight with him attacking me, sadly Miles 2 hour tape ran out and he'd gone out to get some lunch quickly, so the tv crew captured it all . They actually said he was so aggressive and they felt the need to come in and break it up. I have asked for any form or written results, but no its just HIS word. And yesterday I received a nasty threatening letter to take the polygraph video down and remove all comments. Well he agreed to be on film like the rest of us, it's not my fault he was shown in a bad light and I didn't produce the film. So the letter is filed with all my junk, in the bin and I wont be taking the video down or stop mking comments either. Anyone who knows me knows I don't take kindly to threats

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marie kayali

18th July 2013, 09:26

I went to see a private screening with Joanne in Bristol at Off The Fence studios a week or so before the airing and was told to keep it quiet from Miles and the others. Not sure why they did that because I would assume it would be Miles and Joanne first. I sat there with the crew and joanne and watched it. After it ended I stood up in front of them all and one by one I told them exactly what i thought of them and had a fit basically. It was clear what they had done. No one really knows but I did more tests, doctors threatened, 12 days of filming altogether that seems to have disappeared completely now. They all sat there in shock and silence, even Joanne, she said it was good and agreed with them and even liked the song at the end in agreement with them aswell. At that moment I knew she had been in on it all along. And she had already ditched Miles before that too without telling him. I don't take sides , I tell he truth. But it seems Joanne had other things in place already before any of us knew

marie kayali

18th July 2013, 09:33

Jake
I appreciate your effort to support Marie.
However, please clarify what you mean by 'that man'. I feel you are referring to the person who did the lie detection, but it is not clear.
Thank you in anticipation of your clarification.

Stop trying to ... If you have an issue with me , we can always discuss it face to face as we do only live minutes away, not a problem for me at all lady.

Mod-edit: Some post content deleted. -- Paul.

marie kayali

18th July 2013, 09:39

Those ... may explain some of their 'out of context comments' to some people in the threads.

Mod-edit: Some post content deleted. -- Paul.

Gardener

18th July 2013, 09:49

I have to say this is a great post Jake and I share your sentiments exactly. Clicking the thanks button just wasn't enough.
Evil is a word that many are afraid to use, its either just too extreme or too biblical, but in that video was a pure example of evil, 'working against' another for personal gain, profit and/or self agrandisment. I wish I had the right words for that interviewer/set up, but I don't, except 'evil'. I am seriously concerned with Miles' naivete and lack of critical thinking.
Blessings Marie

For what it is worth. Marie, I, for one am appalled by the 'set up' interview. That man was there to destroy you. That is obvious. I really admired your courage. I thought you were a very good sport about it. I am not sure how I would react if I was fed to the dogs like this. You came to AMMACH at a time when they were being compromised, and fell into a trap.

You have my upmost respect, Marie. You are a fighter for truth, and it does not go unnoticed. You do have folks at Avalon that are pulling for you!! I wish you all of the best with your health. I know that this has all been traumatic, to say the least. Take your time, Marie. Be well. Your story will be better embraced if you are not forced in a 'defensive' posture.

If there are those here at Avalon who are attacking Marie inadvertently or directly, it will not go unnoticed. I realize that this event is having a big impact, and that folks have a right to want to get to the crux of an issue like this. Try and remember that in the middle of all of this cloak-n-dagger,,, real people are getting hurt. I would like Avalon to be a place where Marie can find a bit of peace. There is a story to be uncovered here. Everyone needs to do some soul searching. Lets move forward with dignity and respect for each other.

Cheers to all... Jake.

marie kayali

20th July 2013, 14:26

Jake
I appreciate your effort to support Marie.
However, please clarify what you mean by 'that man'. I feel you are referring to the person who did the lie detection, but it is not clear.
Thank you in anticipation of your clarification.

Of course, my apologies. I am referring to the person who administered the test. I was repulsed. He was grinning, almost laughing when someone mentioned Alpha Centauri. "Isn't that a completely fictitious place??" Grin grin, look around, grin,,,. :wacko2: People refer to him as a professional??? He basically announced that he was doing this to show off to his peers.

Yet I digress. My apologies for any confusion.

Jake.

PS I do not consider it an effort to support Marie. I am delighted to offer support!!!

Thank you so much Jake , I have been meaning to thank you for all your support. It's obvious I'm being shut up by everyone even those meant to be working towards the same goals. I find this hard to swallow that I can't even have a say , yet the whole world can. They have so many of my videos and interviews on here, brought in so many views for the site, more people using me in my opinion, and they are blanking out my posts and deleting my friends posts who support me lol well Im done here but wanted to say thanks to you xx peace .
ps : I've asked again for my account to be closed here but somehow they leave it open to drag me in again yet are selective in what I am allowed to say, open forum? freedom of speech? I think not lol

minkton

20th July 2013, 14:49

What would be the advsntage to joanne to have a programme aired which discredits abductees?

marie kayali

20th July 2013, 17:32

What would be the advsntage to joanne to have a programme aired which discredits abductees?

I've no idea , no one has heard anything from her since. I don't know where all my filming went, the whole thing is weird. The truth is I'm a genuine person with genuine information and people couldn't handle it and didn't know what to do with real evidence. People have been killed and I am in a very serious situation now and been left wide open and everyone just bailed. The situation got too serious for everyone. Thats the bottom line.

marie kayali

20th July 2013, 17:37

These edits are ridiculous. Because I mention someones name? Everyone is discussing me and every post has my name in it? Whats with the double standards here. Yes I am in the public eye you may say, but so are the people who's names I mentioned.

ThePythonicCow

21st July 2013, 07:37

These edits are ridiculous. Because I mention someones name?
Not likely for that reason, as I am sure you realized on second thought :). Mentioning others names, unless something is confidential, is obviously quite fine. Posts which read to us as personal attacks aren't fine.

creative_expansion

21st July 2013, 19:31

same happened to me as well, i feel like these posts are one sided and lots seem out of context now. I do feel like anytime anybody offers a positive comment or supporting comment for marie it is always attacked and seems as if people like to start trouble. I just want to say marie is a great friend of mine and really nasty remarks and comments are so unbelievable to me because she is the nicest person and so caring and for people to be so nasty to her is really ****ty. If there is one person who does not deserve any of this it would be her, honestly. I obviously am on her side 100 percent and think that we should all move on and not keep this going, however i will stick up for my friend as im sure any of you would do for yours. there are also some nice supporting comments and thats really nice to see and read. i think when the truth comes out fully loads will be apologizing to somebody <3

Star Tsar

21st July 2013, 20:09

Well what is the "truth" ? Most Avalonians are confused about all of this and only ever seen the fall-out so lets have it then!

Try to read this thread from an impartial viewpoint and one will see how confusing it is for an outside observer....

megawatts1066

25th July 2013, 12:39

The Polygraph man DID say he would allow his results to be checked by another polygraph man, then refused on that. He was a setup from day one. Marie has done extremely good checks on this, and came up with data that condemns his test.

When I left the for a quick lunch I was tailed by 5 agents, one of whom cam into a jewelers shop, where I was looking at a watch. He grabbed the watch off me, and I immediately left, and was tailed by 4 others who sat with me in a fish and chip shop, while I had lunch. This whole affair has been a set up, and much more is revealed in the Bases 29 AMMASH Analysis

Jake

25th July 2013, 13:53

Thank you, Miles, for shedding some light on the situation. Your efforts in the fight for truth are appreciated. It seems to me that AMMACH has been compromised, and (although this is an ongoing situation) folks are choosing well, to move on. Marie has been a champion, in my opinion. It seems that you have been forced into a corner as well. I wish you all of the best with your vids and interview. As they say, "the show must go on!" (I probably could have used a different quote,,) :) I will be looking forward to putting this behind us. ;) I will also be looking forward to being a part of uncovering truth, wherever it may hide, especially with regards creating a safe place for abductees and experiencers to find like minds, and fellowship.

Take care, Miles. see you around.

Jake.

Spiral

25th July 2013, 14:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqhfMv8j6-Q

Published on 25 Jul 2013

Previously seen in Bases 29, parts 1&2, this extract focuses on the Ammash Analysis. This is provided for the wider public, so no more harm comes to vulnerable people who have traumatic events in their lives, and who have come to harm at ammash.
Witnesses have contacted me since I was dropped, after 2 1/2 years of hard work massive investment, the day before the Ch4 program, Confessions of an Alien Abductee, which is also discussed by Nina in this statement by her.
The prime object is create an effective group that helps people.

Shocking misery and severe distress has occured via Ammach , and it has to STOP.

The AMMACH Founder has stated AMMACH is HERS! and that I had Nothing to do with the Ch4 programme, "I did Nothing". She is welcome to it, it was a disaster for Ufology in the UK and wider world.

This is not "sour grapes" this is as a result of witnesses contacting me. One witness was actually Attacked during a "Therapy Session", Another lost her child, others have endured untold distress.

Nina has decided to make these statements publicly, now Miles Johnston has been released from the "spell" of Ammach founder.
The different spelling is deliberate and not a mistake

Ria

25th July 2013, 15:04

Sorry it had already been posted.

marie kayali

3rd August 2013, 14:15

Any yet we have another one telling me to stop attacking Miles and move on, trying to but Miles is insisting on dragging in anyone off the street to make yet another vid analysis and bring it all up again, who needs to move on here? Who are these ridiculous people??? Get some professionals in with an opinion , and maybe people might take notice. And NONE of you know about the offline abuse I am receiving daily from these people. Mikles can praise me all he wants , but actions speak louder than words and people should remember that and open their eyes to whats happening here. They wont bury me alive although they are working extremely hard to do it

Dorishaktiblue

15th November 2014, 04:05

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Sorry for all the added stuff in this reply. I don't see any option for reply without text.

I like Miles a lot, but whats goin on with the Three Stooges hairdo?

Work overload . It's been too much on everybody . I found the document most interesting , from psychological perspective ..no matter who 'failed' and who 'won'.

But, as Miles noted previously ..critics eyes will be unto us ..for lack of scientific entertainment . Barry M King provides good commentary on his blog :

http://disclosureexposed.wordpress.com/2013/06/

My take on “Confessions of an Alien Abductee” Channel4 programme...

My take is ...

Simon did great . He exposed things to a deal that very few dared to say in such an open and civil manner . The problem is that it sounds too crazy to average joe to even consider it real .

Poor dear Maria should not have been questioned in front of cameras just few month after losing her daughter . It's psychologically anti-pathic . Being interviewed and exposed to public scrutiny is NOT form of a therapy( Miles ) ,
it does not serve your ego , it does not make your emotions better, you do it either because you have things to say and give to others or because , you feel totally fed up with life events and think that proving it to everyone will repair that .

I really dislike those many newly released documentaries based on someones anger against someones else .

Testing someone 'in grief' on such serious matters means putting them to disadvantage, first place, no matter the objectives. The polygraph test failed because her mind is still broken . Not so the mind of the tester .

Lady Chantal was fun , that's again, not showing anything to common outsider . It shows more of the interiors and how people get messed up seriously because the society fail to acknowledge that it's going on, stress circle difficult to break .

I suggest, yes more professionalism is absolutely necessary, more research to all accounts, and witnesses,
comparative studies conducted in discrete settings and top notch technologies that are already available to be able to even touch the advances of those technologies millions of years away and ahead .

What Miles n Joanne do deserves applaus not ridicule.

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