Digital Ownership

[bogeyman]

I read an article in the March 2013 edition of the New Scientist, this article was entitled "Lost in the clouds."

The article basic message was "your possessions and memories are not truly yours anymore...they belong to the cloud."

The cloud is to do with data storage on many different servers, be it Amazon, Google or Microsoft amongst many others. Yet all this data that is stored on these servers including your pictures, websites, digital books etc., are not owned by you, since once they are uploaded you have no real ownership of the information, regardless of what format it appears in.

Here is some basic facts from the article:

Books:

When you buy a book from Amazon you pay a licence to access the book from a cloud stored book from your e-reader. This basically means Amazon has reserved the right to take the book back. Last year a women discovered here entire library of books was deleted because she breached Amazons terms of service.

Photos and Videos

Approximately 45 per cent of users upload their photos to the cloud via social networks and other sites, about a fifth upload videos. The terms of service undermine your right to retain a copyright over these materials, Facebook can do what it likes with your photos for example without paying you.

Email

Gmail, Hotmail, or Yahoo mail, are all in the cloud. You may be subject to the laws of the country which you emails are hosted. In the US they can access your emails without a warrant as long as the emails are hosted on a US server, and are older than six months.

File Storage

About a third of businesses store information in the cloud. Personal subscriptions to online storage lockers, such as Microsoft's SkyDrive, Google Drive or Drop box are predicted to reach 1.3 billion by 2017. If your information is lost or deleted you have little comeback.

Ref: New Scientist 30 March 2013.

So maybe the old methods are best, hardcopy and a box under your bed or in the attic.

[sirdipswitch]

I purchased a CD for a hundred bucks. My computer got a glitch, my CD stopped opening. I put it on another computer. Still wouldn't open. Gave it to a "Nerd" friend that said he could fix it. Didn't fix it. Now have this hundred dollar CD, that won't open. bummer.

[Sunny-side-up]

Good post:
I have 2 off line computers for personal storage, 4 Flash sticks on the go at once and copy's of all my Very-Important-To-Me-Info on DVD's in 2 separate places lol.

I've certainly never used online Data storage directly...



sirdipswitch: I purchased a CD for a hundred bucks. My computer got a glitch, my CD stopped opening. I put it on another computer. Still wouldn't open. Gave it to a "Nerd" friend that said he could fix it. Didn't fix it. Now have this hundred dollar CD, that won't open. bummer.

What kind of disk was it sirdipswitch ?

[jiminii]

Good post:
I have 2 off line computers for personal storage, 4 Flash sticks on the go at once and copy's of all my Very-Important-To-Me-Info on DVD's in 2 separate places lol.

I've certainly never used online Data storage directly...



sirdipswitch: I purchased a CD for a hundred bucks. My computer got a glitch, my CD stopped opening. I put it on another computer. Still wouldn't open. Gave it to a "Nerd" friend that said he could fix it. Didn't fix it. Now have this hundred dollar CD, that won't open. bummer.

What kind of disk was it sirdipswitch ?

I buy these 1 terabyte apple laptop USB storage the size is about 2 and half inches by 4 inches by half inch thick .. can take them around so easy

hahah

jim

[InCiDeR]

The gaming industry is the same and been for quite some time, for example Steam. You don't "own" your game anymore even if you paid it fully. You lend it until further notice.

It is kind of the new equation in the digital era. The more and easier everything is to access, the lesser you "own" or possess. Even your own identity.

Face it. Live with it. Or don't! ;)

[donk]

The concept of ownership is a delusion, and valuing the concept of possession is what is wrong with ailing humanity at the moment, in my opinion (not so humble--I wrote a whole thread about it somewheres round here)

It's a toxic idea, sorry to always go on about it but is my pet peeve of late

[mojo]

It seems hardcopy is the only way to protect an individuals copyrights...anything electronic is copied no matter what you paste to protect it, some people will copy

[donk]

Why should you get to own an idea?

The real problem is when individuals (usually hiding behind an organization or some other manufactured entity) possess knowledge and keep it from the rest of us.

I'm not saying that "clouds" and the NSA and all that nonsense is "good", I'm saying that thinking in the way we have been manipulated plays into "their" hands. It becomes a battle, a fight for possession...no "freedom" can come from that game...we already lost it anyway.

We need to accept "we" lost. The fact that patents and intellectual property can be "classified", the fact that life saving and/or improving technology is kept from us...call it "proprietary information" or "national security" or "for our own protection" or whatever guise you wanna give it...information should be freely shared.

It is natural to be fearful that there exists individuals pushing these ideas and excuse why it should not be. Complete change of mindset is necessary, or you're just perpetuating the game...playing it by their rules...bringing light to this help take away the fear from me, I hope those that have good ideas on how to change the paradigm can help transmit the message I think would allow us all more freedom

All That Is = love = light = information....we're all recievers, and should aspire to be transmitters

That's all that's real to me, all that matters...now if we get down to figuring out what "matter" is, maybe we can transcend it, and make sure this real substance, information, love, flows freely, without all this illusion of physical stuff holding us back

[Sunny-side-up]

Good post:
I have 2 off line computers for personal storage, 4 Flash sticks on the go at once and copy's of all my Very-Important-To-Me-Info on DVD's in 2 separate places lol.

I've certainly never used online Data storage directly...



sirdipswitch: I purchased a CD for a hundred bucks. My computer got a glitch, my CD stopped opening. I put it on another computer. Still wouldn't open. Gave it to a "Nerd" friend that said he could fix it. Didn't fix it. Now have this hundred dollar CD, that won't open. bummer.

What kind of disk was it sirdipswitch ?

I buy these 1 terabyte apple laptop USB storage the size is about 2 and half inches by 4 inches by half inch thick .. can take them around so easy

hahah

jim

Hi jim, if you have important info you really don't wan't to lose don't rely on Magnetic srorage. EMP's will blank you out. Thats why I have permenant DVD's etched...Well I hope they are safe?

[sirdipswitch]

Good post:
I have 2 off line computers for personal storage, 4 Flash sticks on the go at once and copy's of all my Very-Important-To-Me-Info on DVD's in 2 separate places lol.

I've certainly never used online Data storage directly...



sirdipswitch: I purchased a CD for a hundred bucks. My computer got a glitch, my CD stopped opening. I put it on another computer. Still wouldn't open. Gave it to a "Nerd" friend that said he could fix it. Didn't fix it. Now have this hundred dollar CD, that won't open. bummer.

What kind of disk was it sirdipswitch ?


Don't know, Sunny-Side. The problem was, that I loanded it to a friend, and it didn't work when I got it back. ccc. I took it to Best Buyand Staples, and they couldn't open it either. They said it looked like it had been "Burned over. hmm. dunno. Sent it back to the company who produced it, telling them the whole story about it, to see if they could fix it. They did. ccc. They sent me a new one, at cost. I am happy again. ccc.