Something there when I sleep

[carnavas]

Hello again dear friends
I'm having trouble with something and I would really appreciate some help as here is always a place I can rely on, sorry if its long, I have this thing of story telling!
First of all, I should apologize for the possible fear and negativity I might bring with my words here but I'm really freaked out!
I'm some one who believes in supernatural as I have experienced abnormal things like a lot of my dreams coming true since childhood and my thoughts manifest. for example I dream of some one that I would like to see but can't and that very day I get face to face with him or dreaming of an earthquake and it happening, or one day as I was in a park with my friend I thought I saw a white rabbit far away but as I looked closely I realized it was just a white bag carried by the wind but as I was exiting the park a white rabbit came across me or when I'm thinking about some one she calls me or I see him and etc
I thought these all was abnormal so I was asking my friend if his dreams come true or not and he said no, so I thought maybe I'm just thinking it, maybe there are no supernatural things...I went back to my childhood where I had a lot of nightmares and I would wake up terrified or as if something was there in my room. that night when I went to sleep, I suddenly came to awareness, it felt like an out of body experienced cause I was seeing myself asleep but I was totally aware of the environment and I felt something coming in my room, coming right behind me, I felt the hairs on my back standing up as I felt its presence behind my back, I could see and feel myself but I would not dare look behind me, as if I had no permission to look, then I heard something whispering my name in my ear, at first I paid no attention and thought to ignore it and go back to sleep, I felt that thing was evil and tried to disturb me so I paid no attention, and I felt it getting stubborn and it suddenly whispered something Arabic from the quran in my other ear to freak me out and I suddenly woke up terrified and I felt my ear ringing and I looked my back and nothing was there
another night I woke up and felt evil beings in my room again and I was thinking "go away leave me alone" and felt they go away
I don't know what to think but I'm scared, I'm thinking that maybe I am developing schizophrenia as it is said that people with the condition hear things or see evil things that are not there, I'm really terrified by the idea that maybe I'm mentally ill and loosing touch with reality, I'm scared they will take me away and put me on brain destroying medications and label me disabled as I have a lot of responsibilities to handle now
any ideas?

[Lifebringer]

Sounds like they sense your light and are drawn to you because you reach, on the other side of "maybe a dark presense." Thought manifest especially with the energy now, so if this being has gotten disturbed because you ignored it when it called you name, then you simply have to think with intent, that a bright light of love, shines in your life, and that it drives them away. Ask your guide who is obviously there with when you see other peaceful minded things you haven't thought manifested. Ask for the light to shine on all fears both past and present and remove the "evil intent and spirit" out of your relm.

[jiminii]

Hello again dear friends
I'm having trouble with something and I would really appreciate some help as here is always a place I can rely on, sorry if its long, I have this thing of story telling!
First of all, I should apologize for the possible fear and negativity I might bring with my words here but I'm really freaked out!
I'm some one who believes in supernatural as I have experienced abnormal things like a lot of my dreams coming true since childhood and my thoughts manifest. for example I dream of some one that I would like to see but can't and that very day I get face to face with him or dreaming of an earthquake and it happening, or one day as I was in a park with my friend I thought I saw a white rabbit far away but as I looked closely I realized it was just a white bag carried by the wind but as I was exiting the park a white rabbit came across me or when I'm thinking about some one she calls me or I see him and etc
I thought these all was abnormal so I was asking my friend if his dreams come true or not and he said no, so I thought maybe I'm just thinking it, maybe there are no supernatural things...I went back to my childhood where I had a lot of nightmares and I would wake up terrified or as if something was there in my room. that night when I went to sleep, I suddenly came to awareness, it felt like an out of body experienced cause I was seeing myself asleep but I was totally aware of the environment and I felt something coming in my room, coming right behind me, I felt the hairs on my back standing up as I felt its presence behind my back, I could see and feel myself but I would not dare look behind me, as if I had no permission to look, then I heard something whispering my name in my ear, at first I paid no attention and thought to ignore it and go back to sleep, I felt that thing was evil and tried to disturb me so I paid no attention, and I felt it getting stubborn and it suddenly whispered something Arabic from the quran in my other ear to freak me out and I suddenly woke up terrified and I felt my ear ringing and I looked my back and nothing was there
another night I woke up and felt evil beings in my room again and I was thinking "go away leave me alone" and felt they go away
I don't know what to think but I'm scared, I'm thinking that maybe I am developing schizophrenia as it is said that people with the condition hear things or see evil things that are not there, I'm really terrified by the idea that maybe I'm mentally ill and loosing touch with reality, I'm scared they will take me away and put me on brain destroying medications and label me disabled as I have a lot of responsibilities to handle now
any ideas?

there is nothing wrong with you ... when I first stopped rain between 2 traffic signals on hollywood blvd ..all my thoughts started to happen ... one after another ... it wasn't until I found the phoenix lectures that I could control my thoughts ... ok so this happened with an out of body .. and relates to dream .. out of body is very much like a dream .. can't feel body heat, weight sound humidity ... but can see everything clearly .... if there are spirits there .. it is possible you can see them ... just confront it .. there is no evil spirit that can hurt you in or out of the body without your agreement ... you would have to agree for anything bad to happen ... you are probably more lucky than others to have the gift ... now maybe you can practice making your out of body experiences more clear ... and just start doing something like move some ground under you ... (with eyes closed) and get it more and more clear .. to move some ground under you ... until you can see clearly the physical universe outside the body ... and then go to travel around to safe places and then more and more dangerous places like volcanoes and and then become more stable with your out of body experiences ... the thoughts you are created to make things happen are your postulates .. appearing in the physical universe ... so I recommend you study the phoenix lectures to learn how to manage your thoughts and change your future to what you desire ...

when I first had all my thoughts happening I was awake when all of them happened ... not asleep .. and then the bad and dangerous thoughts would happen too ... I learned from practicing how to work with my thoughts how to make the bad thoughts and dangerous thoughts disappear ...

you can download the phoenix lectures and technical dictionary here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60251-All-of-Jiminii-s-Threads----with-links&p=690145&viewfull=1#post690145


jim

[Fred Steeves]

This is what I would do Leili, and nothing else. I would set a strong and steady drum beat intent of coming to an understanding as to the source of this fearful re-occurrence. The more we run away from it, the more it will give chase, because it is likely something unresolved that needs resolving. The next time it happened I would not take one step back, but look it dead in the proverbial eye and say something like: "Who are you, and what do you want?"

The answers to those two questions could possibly be quite surprising, and also surprising could be the revelation of how much power we actually have.

[turiya]

Your situation is like the traveler who reached heaven by mistake.

He was resting under a kalpavriksha, a wish-fulfilling tree, after his tiring journey. He was not aware that he was in heaven sitting under this kalpavriksha tree; he was just there to sit in the shade of the tree. His eyes opened and he felt hungry. Just the thought came to his mind that it would be good if he could get something to eat. And immediatately, to his great surprise, plates full of delicious food came floating in the air and rested before him. He was a bit startled at first, became a little afraid, but he was so hungry that he ate to his heart’s content.

After finishing his meal, he started wondering… that there was something odd & very strange about this place… and thought that it may be dangerous. He wondered, “Are there ghosts around here?” And immediately ghosts were standing all around him.

He said, “Oh, these ghosts will come after me!” And instantly all the ghosts jumped on his chest and started to beat him. He then thought, “Oh now they are going to kill me!” And they killed him.

The tree was a kalpavriksha, a wish-fulfilling tree. Sitting under it, anything you desire will immediately be fulfilled. As you are, so full of desires & fearful thoughts, if you sit under the kalpavriksha the same would happen to you. In fact, you are sitting under a kalpavriksha tree at this very moment. This is the situation with everyone, not only with you.

Watch your thoughts, your desires, what you think of yourself, what ideas have been given to you by the society in which you live. Are your thoughts really your thoughts, or have they been placed within you to keep you in fear, and imprisoned, to keep you from enjoying life. The choice is yours – how you wish your life to be lived. Its entirely up to you.

best regards - turiya :cool:

[sirdipswitch]

You did the right thing, by telling it to go away and leave you alone. When you tell it to go away, it must. You are an Immortal Spirit, and NOTHING, can harm you. It is only this physical body that we wear, that can be harmed.

When you go out of body, and cross over into the Astral Realm, as you did, YOU are the boss, of all that you do there. The Astral Realm, is instantly thought responsive, so if you are in fear, you will attract fearfull things to you, but they cannot harm you without YOUR permission. No matter what you may see, just tell it to leave, and it must. Because you are an Immortal Spirit Of The Highest Order, it knows that YOU are of Source, and it WILL leave because it doesn't want to deal with Source.

The next time you go out of body say these words: "I Go Now, To My High Self!" and then expect to go, and you will go. And you will get to talk with YOUR High Self/Source.

If you would care to explore this further...

I ain't hard to find... cccccccccc...:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Leili these beings and or manifestations of will try scare you. I've met come across a few that I thought where bad/negative entities in the past and I just banished them.
With no fear Just say in a firm way: NO, GO. GO AWAY.

If anything like that would happen to me now I would study and watch it lol, but be careful of interaction. As you would in every day physical life, don't agree to anything with a stranger!

If you study such events in mindfulness you can put a place marker there so you can visit it and study more! but I would not take that to far, just enough so you get a good handle on them/it.

If you do meditation at all go to your HI Safe Place and enjoy!

[music]

Firstly, this is good advice from turiya


Watch your thoughts, your desires, what you think of yourself, what ideas have been given to you by the society in which you live. Are your thoughts really your thoughts, or have they been placed within you to keep you in fear, and imprisoned, to keep you from enjoying life. The choice is yours – how you wish your life to be lived. Its entirely up to you.


Secondly, is your Avalon name your own name? Don't necessarily answer that here, just take that into consideration.

Thirdly, I will cut and paste something I've posted here before, not everyone sees things the way I do, but it won't harm you to read it. The take home message from the piece is that love is the only unassailable power at our disposal, and that we should know ourselves thoroughly before we look to the outside for explanation of anything, including (or especially) psychic attack.


Entities, Possession, and Psychic Attack (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55207-Entities-Possession-and-Psychic-Attack)


Are there entities that attack and possess us? I would say yes, and no. Like the vampire, nothing external can possess us unless we grant permission, but that permission at root is nothing but a “lack” or “void” within us. In most cases, however, I believe we are “possessed” by aspects of ourselves.

On our journey, we encounter events, concepts or emotions that we are unable to deal with at that moment, so we put them aside. This is natural, part of our emotional and psychological defence system, but while the idea is that we process these things when we are better equipped, this all too often never occurs. The energy inherent in these things becomes attached to aspects of ourselves that are likewise problematic (or which identify with the energy), and we then repress the fragment. Additionally, society pinpoints aspects of ourselves that it deems undesirable, and pressurises and brainwashes us into repressing or sublimating them. These repressed or altered fragments are then available to accrue the energies of fear, disinformation, and propaganda that are our staple diet if we consume mainstream media output. These isolated pieces of ourselves do truly take on a mind of their own, and they often control us at an unconscious level, leading us to say things like “I don’t know what came over me”, or “that person has a demon in them”. While these hidden aspects may feel like an external entity to us, they are merely distortions of parts of ourselves.

The most common type of “possession” by an “external” entity is where our thoughts, emotions, memories and perceptions of another person are attached to a fragment of ourselves and allowed to assert autonomous control of that fragment as a simulacrum of an actual person. This kind of possession is really another expression of self-possession, and often concerns influential people in our lives with whom we have unresolved issues, commonly a parent. This type of possession is often very difficult for the person concerned to discern, and we usually do ourselves no favours bringing the condition to the person’s attention.

There are two types of external possession, though these also often manifest more as psychic attacks, rather than actual possession. Some people are very psychically adept and agile. They have mastered the ability to energetically explore their environment, however this often leads to unwanted insertion into another’s psyche. Here we are concerned with the energy of intent: what is the purpose of the incursion? Are we dealing with neutral curiosity only, or malign intent? Love will most often not enter another’s psyche without consent or reason, so we need not deal with that here. One who enters another’s psyche with malign intent may take the appearance of a demon, and in fact this is close to the truth, because the part of the “demon” is driven by the needs of a self-repressed fragment of the “possessor” which has been demonised through the accretion of energies that society has taught us to regard as “evil”, or “bad”, or “dirty”. The possessing fragment is usually “sent out” consciously – with malign intent – but it is useful to remember that this type of psychic attack or “possession” is a symptom of the “possessor’s” pain.

Lastly, there does exist the phenomenon of possession by a discarnate energy. These energies may be anything from consciousness (or even a thought form) lost in transition, to one case I know of where a man was possessed by a fragment of the spirit of a cave bear (the fragment either held genetically from an ancestor, or from a previous incarnation). Hypnotic regression revealed that the possessed man had a memory of killing a cave bear with the conscious intent of taking the admirable qualities of the bear into himself. My feeling is that most of these entities lack any kind of conscious direction, they are merely attracted by a void within us, and attach or insinuate themselves wherever possible. This is simply an expression of energetic principles, and these types of possession, though annoying, may not always have overly adverse effects on the individual. We may also be externally possessed by thought forms generated by society (or elements within it), that are inserted or insinuated through propaganda, dogma, mind control, personality breakdown and reconstruction, hypnosis, technology, etc. There does exist (rarely) the possession by a strong and conscious discarnate energy operating with malign intent, and this possession may be “second hand” through another possessed individual. These conscious, malign entities in fact may seek out psychically gifted individuals as vehicles, or the gifted individual’s self-possessed fragment may be the “demon” in question, so there is some cross-over here between the different kinds of possession. Malign, conscious entities ensure their survival within an individual by first taking over the egoic functions, so possessed individuals often present as aggressive (and aggressively defensive), arrogant, and omniscient. These entities expend great amounts of the energy of their chosen vehicle establishing the primacy of the ego over the heart (or higher consciousness). Why is this? – because love is the only thing they fear.

Love is a no fail method for dealing with this type of attack. Using love to repel malign intent reduces the possibility of harm coming to the would-be attacker, but be warned: using psychic energy with malign intent toward another individual will always have a negative effect on the attacker, no matter how much they blind themselves to this simple energetic truth. If we seek to inflict harm on the vehicle of the psychic attack, there will be some adverse payback for us, a further expression of energetic principles. To become immune to psychic attack and possession we must have no “holes” or “voids” within us – we must give no “permission”. Each void is a whirlpool of fear that accrues “negative” energy. Each void is a part of us that we have excluded from love. Our permanent immunity comes with internal unity.

As we address the hurts and denials of life, we experience the rising of repressed aspect after repressed aspect, and some of them seem huge, powerful and frightening. Imagine how you would feel if as an infant you had been locked in a cupboard, kept in the dark, and fed on nothing but the bugs and vermin that managed to find their way into your prison, all the while hearing the party going on outside? Deep and long buried fragments can accrue substantial energy, and since we have already seen that the energy available to repressed fragments is the dark, bad, socially unacceptable stuff, it is not surprising these parts of ourselves are strong, angry and frightening. As repressed fragments arise, don’t fear; just centre yourself in the heart. Send love to the aspect, surround it with loving acceptance, welcome it home, love it unconditionally – warts and all. Energy has two channels down which it may flow when confronted with pure love – transformation (transmutation) and reintegration into either the personal or collective consciousness, or flight. It really is that simple, but the difficulty comes with our own belief in love. If we are not whole individuals, but individuals with “holes”, then we will remain liable to attack or possession. If we do not truly believe in the power of love, then our efforts to repel psychic attack or possession will be directed by the ego, and as such, unsuccessful. If we get angry at psychic attack, we could consider that anger is nothing but fear mediated by ego-consciousness. Stand in love, and all will be well.

Never forget that psychic attack is symptomatic of pain within the attacker. Always meet attack with love, and give the energy the opportunity to transform. If the energy chooses retreat, it returns to source, and unfortunately there is no way that the attacker can prevent this malign energy from manifesting in their own life as misfortune or ill-health. Feel no guilt over this, unfortunate as it is, for the attacker has their own journey for which they alone are responsible.

Stand in love – all is well.

Fourthly, This thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59222-To-the-person-psychically-attacking-me) would be of interest to you as well.

Finally, for now, centre yourself in your heart, muster your resources, and place a bubble of love-based energy around yourself in emergencies. Engaging with, counter-attacking, or cursing any energy will ultimately only give it more strength. You fear is what it feeds on - deprive it of its food.

Love and blessings

[ghostrider]

I would ask you, have you spoke to someone new this week ??? someone of light ??? who you never met before ??? are you close to a sort of apex in your life ??? beings in your private space, they've lost their hold on you, and are desperate ...the power of oneness can keep them out of your house ... I've had an experince that sounds alot like yours years ago ...the shadow people are pure evil ...no one knows the desperation, until it happens to them in the dark alone at home ...

[fbs_brazil]

then I heard something whispering my name in my ear,

About 15 years ago I had the same experience. But instead of a whisper, it was like someone yelled my name. I woke up with a jump in heart throat. This never happened again. However, something that is quite common until today is hearing voices (many of them at the same time) in that split second between wakefulness and sleep. I never investigated the fact as to whether this is something ordinary or no.

[turiya]

Mind is the Bridge Between Matter & Consciousness


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/The_Upward_Flow_of_Mind_BRIDGE.png

The Mind is the bridge between matter and consciousness, between that which is without and what which lay within, between the gross and the subtle.

Man comes to the world through mind; man comes to the body through mind; man comes to desires through mind. So wherever you reach, the reaching is always through the mind. If you create a hell for yourself, you create it through mind. If you create a heaven, that also is through mind.

A Zen patriarch, Hui-Hai, had said, "Mind is heaven and mind is hell." So, whatsoever you are or whatsoever you can be, it will depend ultimately on how your mind works. This working can create something for you which is not; this working can reveal to you that which is. So a mind can create a very illusionary world around it: it is capable. It can dream, and it can dream so real that you cannot even detect that whatever is seen & perceived is not real.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/The_Upward_Flow_of_Mind_Projection.png

So mind has a projective force; it can project. That which is not, mind can create. And because mind can create that which is not, it can forget that which is. It can just be in such a state that the reality is never in any contact with it; and whatsoever happens, it depends only on the mind. So the mind has to be taken as the root of everything that one can experience. Even if one has to know the Divine, one has to go through mind. Of course, that going is difficult because that going implies dropping of the mind. Even if dropping of the mind is needed, it is through mind – because unless you drop the mind you will never be able to know the true.

Mind is everywhere, either positively or negatively. Whatsoever you are doing – creating an illusory world, or discovering the real, creating a madness for yourself, or creating a meditative state – it is all through mind. Wherever you go, you go through the bridge of the mind. Even if you have to come to yourself, it will be through mind.
Source: The Ultimate Alchemy Vol.1 Discourse 7 (http://www.oshoworld.com/e-books/eng_discourses.asp?page_id=15)

turiya :cool:

[carnavas]

Thanks a million thanks everyone you all have helped me a great deal I really really appreciate it
I fear no more as I find myself not alone, as I have been granted many other perspectives and possibilities, being one is really the best thing in the world isn't it?
I do find it hard to understand the truth as whether it is evil beings or my own projection of mind or a mental illness or whatever I will never know will I? or maybe if I think I will then I will? or will I not?
to dear ghostrider's post, no I have no one spiritual in my resident to talk to, I only have my friends that are not like me, they are living life as they should. but I've been coming here ALOT lately reading a lot here and that specific night I was really feeling like a multidimensional being and I slept with the feeling that there is something higher about us
they are not coming again, but now I'm so curious I wish they would come back maybe I will know after all:-))

[Sunny-side-up]

Thanks a million thanks everyone you all have helped me a great deal I really really appreciate it
I fear no more as I find myself not alone, as I have been granted many other perspectives and possibilities, being one is really the best thing in the world isn't it?
I do find it hard to understand the truth as whether it is evil beings or my own projection of mind or a mental illness or whatever I will never know will I? or maybe if I think I will then I will? or will I not?
to dear ghostrider's post, no I have no one spiritual in my resident to talk to, I only have my friends that are not like me, they are living life as they should. but I've been coming here ALOT lately reading a lot here and that specific night I was really feeling like a multidimensional being and I slept with the feeling that there is something higher about us
they are not coming again, but now I'm so curious I wish they would come back maybe I will know after all:-))

Sounds very much like you are trying find your self Leili

Your friends are a good gauge of your awakening self.

When It happened to me I got into meditation which gave me my
'One point Of Being'
This is a place/state in me (and it's in you) where I can go mindlessly, I can go in total safety
( I can pop in there anytime, in just a few seconds, no one or thing can touch me in there!!!)
It's empty of image and thought till I need it to be other wise. then it can be a mountain ledge, complete with fine cold snow in my face, or it can be a full on sunny, sandy beach with glistening calm waves and a cool breeze! Or it can be me full and composed untill I decide to move off into a new direction, mind or the Matrix, but it's me composed.

Mediation can center you, you can then be composed to look at your self and be happy and know who you are, and where you are.

Be strong, Be safe, Be you Leili

Love and Light

[conk]

My 19 year old daughter has very similar experiences, especially the visitors and entities in her room. She actually sees them. What has worked for her is to hold a steady mind of love or intent not to be fearful and to exclaim out loud, "In the name of Jesus Christ consciousness, leave this room and house" " you do not have permission to be here, leave now". She often clears the room by speaking a prayer into every corner of the room before sleeping. Her events have been reduced greatly. As you can imagine or understand, it is hard for a young person to resist fear. Best of luck and God's blessings to you. Think of all on this forum who have your best interests in mind and heart. That is a power unto itself that you can use.