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InCiDeR
22nd June 2013, 10:21
Snowden: GCHQ worse than US on data (http://www.standard.co.uk/panewsfeeds/snowden-gchq-worse-than-us-on-data-8669459.html)

http://www.standard.co.uk/panewsfeeds/article8669458.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/The+US+government+charged+has+Edward+Snowden+with+espionage+and+theft+%28AP-The+Guardian%29


British eavesdropping agency GCHQ has secretly accessed fibre-optic cables carrying huge amounts of internet and communications data, according to documents disclosed by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The agency is able to tap into and store data from the cables for up to 30 days so it can be analysed under an operation codenamed Tempora, the Guardian reported. The Cheltenham-based agency would not comment on intelligence matters but insisted it was "scrupulous" in complying with the law.

The newspaper said there were two principal components to the agency's surveillance programme, called Mastering the Internet and Global Telecoms Exploitation. It claimed the data was shared with the organisation's US counterpart the National Security Agency (NSA).

The information is the latest leak from Mr Snowden, the NSA whistleblower responsible for a string of disclosures about US intelligence operations. The claim comes as the US government charged him with espionage and theft. Mr Snowden has admitted providing information to the news media about two highly classified NSA surveillance programmes.

A complaint filed at an American federal court said Mr Snowden engaged in unauthorised communication of national defence information and wilful communication of classified communications intelligence information. He is also charged with theft of government property. All three offences carry a maximum 10-year prison penalty.

The newspaper claimed Operation Tempora had been running for 18 months and GCHQ and the NSA are consequently able to access vast quantities of communications between innocent people as well as targeted suspects, including phone calls, the content of email messages, Facebook entries and a user's internet history.

Mr Snowden, who fled the US for Hong Kong after deciding to reveal the NSA's secrets, told the Guardian he wanted to expose "the largest programme of suspicionless surveillance in human history". "It's not just a US problem. The UK has a huge dog in this fight," he said. "They (GCHQ) are worse than the US."

The Guardian reported that GCHQ lawyers told US counterparts there was a "light oversight regime" in Britain compared with America. A GCHQ spokeswoman said: "We do not comment on intelligence matters. Our intelligence agencies continue to adhere to a rigorous legal compliance regime. GCHQ are scrupulous in their legal compliance."

The newspapers said the documents revealed that by last year GCHQ was handling 600 million "telephone events" each day, had tapped more than 200 fibre-optic cables and was able to process data from at least 46 of them at a time.

Privacy campaign group Big Brother Watch's director Nick Pickes said: "If GCHQ have been intercepting huge numbers of innocent people's communications as part of a massive sweeping exercise, then I struggle to see how that squares with a process that requires a warrant for each individual intercept.

This question must be urgently addressed in Parliament. The fact GCHQ staff have been discussing how light the UK's oversight regime is compared to the US highlights why we need a wholesale review of surveillance law, including the fact that there is absolutely no judicial process within the current system and the people making these decisions are able to hide in the shadows rather than face public scrutiny."

M0JFK
22nd June 2013, 12:10
I was told back in the Thatcher years when GCHQ was out on strike for trade union recognition in the workplace by a member who worked there that they was spying on everything back then and that was with or without the legal consent or using guidelines. Snowdon is not telling me anything new with this revelation although the public maybe now will start to sit up and listen and realise what is going on around them.

ghostrider
22nd June 2013, 12:16
I still think he is a dis-info agent, and the NSA wanted leaks to help create chaos, and instability in the U.S. look at all the big stories going on when this guy came forward, bengazi, the IRS scandal, the fast and furious , the wire tapping of reporters and their families, etc ... The NSA has a young kid leak sensitive information and then hop a plane to china ??? right under the nose of the ones doing all the spying ??? uses a credit card and flies out of the country to a communist country ??? wouldn't that card swipe instantly come up on the DHS radar ??? The NSA is stupid or this was leaked on purpose , and sold to us with photoshop and media sound bites ...The most powerful spy agency in the world gets stumped by a young guy and a credit card right under their nose ...he didn't even use a disguise or fake passport ...

Cidersomerset
22nd June 2013, 12:19
I was told back in the Thatcher years when GCHQ was out on strike for trade union recognition in the workplace by a member who worked there that they was spying on everything back then and that was with or without the legal consent or using guidelines. Snowdon is not telling me anything new with this revelation although the public maybe now will start to sit up and listen and realise what is going on around them.


I agree I knew from the cold war days that the UK was the intel hub for NATO.
What is new though not surprising is how things have advanced and been kept
secret.




Leaked: UK spy agency has access to global communications, shares info with

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Published on 21 Jun 2013


The British spy agency GCHQ has access to the global
network of communications, storing calls, Facebook
posts and internet histories -- and shares this data
with the NSA, Edward Snowden has revealed to the
Guardian in a new leak

bogeyman
22nd June 2013, 12:38
Makes me wonder how many people in the UK have been blacklisted for making some misguided or taken out of context comments over the Internet or telephone. GCHQ isn't subject to the UK FOIA, so they thought they would get away with this extensive surveillance.

norman
22nd June 2013, 14:13
I can't say I'm sure about anything regarding this Snowden affair.

My gut almost tells me this is a "smoke out".

The intensification of chatter around this story will almost surely provoke a revealing of everything that's known about the cyber spying stuff in the alternative community. And, by subtraction, everything that's not known.

One thing that's quite obvious, is that the 'story' throws out a set of words among the cyber chatterers. They probably struggle with working out which words to flag when they are deciding how to narrow down their analysis of the total internet traffic. This Snowden story gives them a word set to work with for a while.

If I was in their position and working with this current word trend, I'd avoid trawling news organisations and 'conspiracy' forums etc and focus tightly on personal email accounts. I'm going to assume that they are doing exactly that.


I won't go as far as to say that Snowden isn't "real". I get the impression he believes in what he's doing. I also get the impression that the spy bosses are not stupid enough to allow something like this to happen without their consent.