Back To The Farm

[Fred Steeves]

Yes indeed, "to see the farm is to leave it", but then who exactly are the "farmers"?

Farm:

An area of land and its buildings used for growing crops and rearing animals,
typically under the control of one owner or manager.


As humans we think of farming as a natural means of utilizing resources to nourish our bodies, and maybe even making a profit by selling off excess. And you know, I can't recall the last time I heard farmers referred to as evil.

Farm animals don't seem to mind, whether they be Border Collies used for herding, horses used for riding, or the ones whose ultimate purpose is to become food. It seems to me the only animals that WOULD mind, would be one who suddenly saw the farm for what it really was.

In the eyes of an animal who "saw", the farmer would suddenly become evil. Well the farmer doesn't think so, I mean hell, if he's a conscientiousness farmer his animals are well cared for, and lead happy lives. He does the best he can to give them happy lives, while also sustaining himself through them. Of course there are the non-conscientious farmers as well.

So here's the paradox as I see it. We are all either farmers, or dependent on farmers, but we don't like being farm animals ourselves. The ones who can "see the farm" that is...

The reason I bring up this controversial and uncomfortable subject is that until we step back and take an honest look at ourselves, we can't possibly take a truly honest look at anything else. Like the Hermetic axiom says: "As above so below, as below so above".

The farmer is doing the best he can, with what he knows (very important!). In light of that, why would say parasitic Archonic entities really be so much different? :tape2:

Understand ourselves, and we understand our world. With understanding comes direction.

Cheers,

Fred

[Timreh]

Yes Fred nicely put


That kinda philosophy was discussed on the Horus Ra Thread..
An open mind could perceive a big picture with us as farm animals
If we humans can do it why can’t they?
Just like we have different foods we like for sustenance and pleasure, maybe fish, bacon, chocolate, icecream etc..
So to would our emotions/vibrations be palatable.. like anger, jealousy, grief and sorrow (of course what happens with positive emotions could be another discussion)

[william r sanford72]

We use to have a cow my father in Law called Crazy.Very unpredictable.highly aware and smart and 1000 pounds.Dangerous.She bred such good line.no matter the male stock.Something else she did that i found amazeing was that she taught all her calfs to not trust humans.NO. father in law is not abusive.nor was i.ever.but you could never catch her or her calves ever.she was always apart from the others and always made sure her calf and you were in sight.the other thing she had an effect on was the herd.if she was in the heard.that awareness seem to rubb off.when she wasnt around you could take a bucket of corn rattle it and all the herd will come.not her.screw the corn.if she was amoung the herd no go.she messed everything up.the whole program.he called her crazy.i called her awake.wonder what woke her up??also.sorry no happy ending.i stopped helping him farm cattle.unless its to help with the calves and vet work.last year she seemed to have a drastic increase in the effect on the herd.he seperated her.brought someone in and shot her.had her butcherd and currently sits in his deep freeze.I miss her.and i always could relate.miss awake..the cow.she came to mind when i read this.nice thread.william.

[Orion197]

Great point to bring up Fred.
When we take a step back and have a look, we may ask ourselves who are the real savages in this reality? We dress up our steaks with fancy names, sauces and spices but what are we doing in essence? Same thing that other animals are doing to each other but humanity has been accustomed to believe this is ok and necessary for the survival of the humans on the planet.
My heart and my intuition tells me, and I would suggest I am not alone on this one, that it was not always like this and there was a time when killing each other for food was not even a thought. We lived off of energy and all life co-existed and communicated and lived the experience together in peace and harmony.
If we don't understand and don't take into perspective what a living being, such as a cow, goes through in it's life before slaughter we won't have an opportunity to comprehend how savage we actually are. There is no such thing as "humane slaughtering" as some organic farmers have called it.
When was the last time anyone looked into the eyes of a living cow or hog? If we all did, I'm sure we would never look at that sirloin steak the same way ever again.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

So here's the paradox as I see it. We are all either farmers, or dependent on farmers, but we don't like being farm animals ourselves. The ones who can "see the farm" that is...


Metaphorically speaking, I suspect that sometimes we choose to be the farmer and sometimes choose to be the livestock. Maybe experience is all about prime creator's journey of self discovery.

[Orion197]

We use to have a cow my father in Law called Crazy.Very unpredictable.highly aware and smart and 1000 pounds.Dangerous.She bred such good line.no matter the male stock.Something else she did that i found amazeing was that she taught all her calfs to not trust humans.NO. father in law is not abusive.nor was i.ever.but you could never catch her or her calves ever.she was always apart from the others and always made sure her calf and you were in sight.the other thing she had an effect on was the herd.if she was in the heard.that awareness seem to rubb off.when she wasnt around you could take a bucket of corn rattle it and all the herd will come.not her.screw the corn.if she was amoung the herd no go.she messed everything up.the whole program.he called her crazy.i called her awake.wonder what woke her up??also.sorry no happy ending.i stopped helping him farm cattle.unless its to help with the calves and vet work.last year she seemed to have a drastic increase in the effect on the herd.he seperated her.brought someone in and shot her.had her butcherd and currently sits in his deep freeze.I miss her.and i always could relate.miss awake..the cow.she came to mind when i read this.nice thread.william.

Fred, sorry not trying to derail your thread here but William, I really feel for you and your post. Sounds like she was awake and tried to do the same unto the other calves. When I was a child, I befriended a pig on a farm. I was little but our connection was beautiful from all that I can remember. The ending was bad as she was slaughtered, and I wept for a long time after and was scarred for life. But I have always had a special connection with animals. Maybe that is why I feel the most incredible sadness when I see cruelty towards animals.

[GCS1103]

Great post, Fred. I think the great divide between animals and us is "greed" and "ego". It's absent in animals and rules most of mankind. This is why I love animals so much.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Roosters on the farm have had a variety of temperaments. Old Red was dangerous. Returning from the grocery store with plastic food bags in my hands, I entered the chicken yard to check for eggs. Old Red must have had a bad day with the hens because he nailed me with his sharp spurs when I turned my back. In self defense I started swinging the grocery bags as he continued his attack. Sometimes he would get to me, sometimes he would get to the grocery bags. By the time we had an temporary truce, all plastic bags had been shredded leaving groceries thrown all over the chicken yard. I'll call the fight a draw.

It was not the only fight we had.

One night after Old Red won a round, and I lost a little blood, I caught Old Red and put him in a transport cage. Thinking he needed a more worthy adversary, maybe a fox, coyote, hawk, owl or bobcat, my plan was to send him on a camping trip. Being very careful to stay in the car while very carefully opening the car door and cage door to avoid more violence, he was set free. When I started to drive away I could hear his spurs strike metal as he attacked the car.

There's more to the story but I feel I've already derailed your thread too much Fred. :offtopic: Appologies, I could not resist. :focus:

[ginnyk]

Interesting thread - thanks, Fred. I agree with all of the above, and still eat some meat - mostly chicken and fish. I was born on a farm in Michigan in 1939 just as WWII was getting started. My father and his father before him, back into the dim mists of the past supported their families from their labors on their farms. I remember growing what kept us alive through the long cold winters - it was no hobby. There was very little money. Many times in the winter there was some baby animal wrapped in a blanket on the floor in front of the kitchen woodstove being coaxed into staying alive by our efforts. It later repaid us by being sold for some precious cash for clothes or groceries, or became the winter supply of meat.

It goes without saying that I dislike factory farming, and the chickens we recently had almost all died of old age because we couldn't eat them. But I have a question that I have never seen answered:

If we stop eating meat, would we be denying life to millions of animals in the first place? Few people are going to pay such a large amount to raise out beef cattle for pets. Only dairy cattle would be bred and all the other breeds would be on their way to becoming extinct. The same with poultry and pigs and rabbits. This is just a rhetorical question with no emotional attachment. Is no life at all a better solution for them or is there a part of their spiritual evolution that chose this experience?

I have never been able to answer that question for myself and would appreciate your input. Hope this is not a derail - I think it fits in the overall discussion.

Gin

[Orph]

In line with what ginnyk mentioned is also the question of, .... where do you draw the line? Think of all of Mother Nature that has been destroyed to make our cities that most of us live in. At this point in the story of earth, either directly, or indirectly, just about everything we do comes at the expense of plants, animals, or insects. Again, where do you draw the line as to what is morally acceptable?

Now, getting back to Fred's opening post, I guess the question is, are we being used or abused by other entities, archrons or whatever?

[william r sanford72]

wow good question ginnyk and orph i suppose my answer arrived in a look of pure understanding and utter terror from the animal just before i killed it.that moment led to me not farming like i was.i cant kill.simple.i cant kill.

[Fred Steeves]

When we take a step back and have a look, we may ask ourselves who are the real savages in this reality? We dress up our steaks with fancy names, sauces and spices but what are we doing in essence? Same thing that other animals are doing to each other but humanity has been accustomed to believe this is ok and necessary for the survival of the humans on the planet.
My heart and my intuition tells me, and I would suggest I am not alone on this one, that it was not always like this and there was a time when killing each other for food was not even a thought. We lived off of energy and all life co-existed and communicated and lived the experience together in peace and harmony.


Hi Orion, that's pretty much what I was getting at when saying this in the original post.



The farmer is doing the best he can, with what he knows (very important!). In light of that, why would say parasitic Archonic entities really be so much different? :tape2:


I simply have a very hard time believing that the "food chain" is natural, with every living creature being dependent on feeding off of other "lesser" creatures to sustain life. It's not just animal life either. Look no further than vines slowly strangling mighty trees for their existence, or virgin forest not allowing very much lesser vegetation to flourish, because they block all the sunlight.

In the long view, it would seem that we are all parasitical. Yet we humans tend to view parasites with disdain. Hmmmmm...

[ginnyk]

The farmer is doing the best he can, with what he knows (very important!). In light of that, why would say parasitic Archonic entities really be so much different? :tape2:


I simply have a very hard time believing that the "food chain" is natural, with every living creature being dependent on feeding off of other "lesser" creatures to sustain life. It's not just animal life either. Look no further than vines slowly strangling mighty trees for their existence, or virgin forest not allowing very much lesser vegetation to flourish, because they block all the sunlight.

In the long view, it would seem that we are all parasitical. Yet we humans tend to view parasites with disdain. Hmmmmm...[/QUOTE]

Then does that bring us back to "there is no solution at the level of the problem"? We incarnated into a world of duality. Perhaps we chose to take this course - have this experience - because it is the only way we could develop compassion. Perhaps from the higher view it just IS.

[william r sanford72]

doesnt seem natural to me niether.not even close.as far as killing to live.seems like the tune is off.that the tune ..song could be perfect.or maybe it wasnt always like this??that it doesnt have to be like this.not sure i can express it in words.

[Fred Steeves]

The farmer is doing the best he can, with what he knows (very important!). In light of that, why would say parasitic Archonic entities really be so much different? :tape2:


Then does that bring us back to "there is no solution at the level of the problem"? We incarnated into a world of duality. Perhaps we chose to take this course - have this experience - because it is the only way we could develop compassion. Perhaps from the higher view it just IS.

No ginny, not in my book anyway, so far as I'm concerned there's a solution to everything. This isn't really a solution thread though, per say anyway. I always like to go to the dilemma of a severe drug addict or alcoholic, in that in order to make any changes at all, they first must come face to face with the destruction they are causing (and have caused) to both themselves and others. Everything flows from there, and the solution will present itself.

That's never pretty to look at though.

[william r sanford72]

funny i just posted something in the same tune on another thread.change is key to evoloution.change is scary.honest deep soul reflection.is the start.for some.if i can see the farm.ican change the farm.my farm.then outward???with grace and mercy.even to the parasites and such.whew.messy.farm work involves alotta ****.

[ginnyk]

To answer your OP question about parasitic Archonic entities, probably the only difference is our judgement. It is impossible to "do no harm", we can only use our best judgement based on our perspective at the time.

Living in the woods, I realize that snakes are an important part of the ecosystem. BUT, when a copperhead ventures into our yard, about 20 guineas are on it. I keep them for that purpose - that is what guineas do. I don't want to kill the snake, but I will let them do it. We choose to kill millions of innocent bacteria if we take an antibiotic just to kill the one we are targeting. Do we call that collateral damage? For me, I guess it comes down to having compassion for everything - tempered with wisdom. Maybe that is the meaning of thinking in the heart.

I cannot pretend to know the real agenda of what we call an archon. The more I learn, the less I know. I guess I can only put it in the "someday I will know the answer" file and continue to "chop wood and carry water".

Gin

[Orion197]

On the surface, we are no different that the Archons, or 4th dimensional entities as I like to call them. However, I have met many great farmers and there are billions of honest people who eat meat who we cannot label as parasites in the sense of the word. We do after all have a segment of our brains called the "reptilian complex" that the Archons have installed.

I would suggest that the difference is that most of humanity has empathy, like the average farmer who was raised on a farm and the average human who eats chicken because he doesn't know better and, as Fred has eluded to, doesn't perhaps have the information or thought process in place that may add conflict with his actions which may seem ok to him. The Archons, Reptilians, 4th dimensional energies etc have zero empathy and they have been manipulating us to be like them. So I say that we are not like them, but rather have been manipulated by them physically, spiritually and energetically.
In essence, I would suggest the core of our being is not like them, we are infinite love. We are starting to remember who we are, which is the good news.

[enfoldedblue]

Great thread Fred. While I agree with what you are bringing up, I would like to bring to the table the idea that there are some very different styles of farming. As a child I grew up on a small 'hobby' farm. Abbey and Tuney were our jersey cows and felt to me as much a part of the family as our dog and cat...even Bonnie and Clyde our two pigs were 'family' even though we did eat them. I think all our animals led good lives...even though some of them might have been shorter than in nature (though maybe not).

I imagine that life on a factory farm would be very different...dirty...overcrowding...high stress...drugs to fight off infections caused by these factors. Hmmm sounds like life in the modern city.

From what I understand about the archons they love the energy that is produced by fear and suffering...this means that the relationship can't be mutually beneficial.

For me, though I am sure there are many who would disagree, the small farm where animals were loved and given a high quality of life, could be described as mutually beneficial.

Personally, if I had to reincarnate as a pig for a life (so that as a whole we could enjoy bacon) I wouldn't mind if it meant I could roll in the mud and lie in the sun...even if it was a short life. But a life of torture...well I wouldn't be racing to the head of line

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Farm animals don't seem to have the capacity to exercise the will to break the confines of their system effectively.

Someone always picks up the phone and says something like, "Billy Bob, your cow/goat/sheep/dog is on my land!"

XD

I bet it's not much different for NSA.

[Fred Steeves]

On the surface, we are no different that the Archons, or 4th dimensional entities as I like to call them. However, I have met many great farmers and there are billions of honest people who eat meat who we cannot label as parasites in the sense of the word. We do after all have a segment of our brains called the "reptilian complex" that the Archons have installed.

That's a very valid point Orion, but just to be perfectly clear the farm metaphor is not just aimed at consuming meat (I love a good steak). :secret: We all drive cars and use energy in our homes for instance, thus supporting the rape of Earth's natural resources such as oil, coal, natural gas (fracking), etc.

Where I live here in Tennessee, all of our power comes from the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority). This power is generated through a whole series of dams that Roosevelt authorized them to build back in the 30's. These dams necessarily flooded whole towns, and untold thousands of people. During very dry periods when the water is low, boaters on these "lakes" have to be wary of rooftops, as these towns are still there as they were before, just drowned and all but forgotten. I am able to type this on my computer right now "thanks" to that...


The Archons, Reptilians, 4th dimensional energies etc have zero empathy and they have been manipulating us to be like them. So I say that we are not like them, but rather have been manipulated by them physically, spiritually and energetically.
In essence, I would suggest the core of our being is not like them, we are infinite love. We are starting to remember who we are, which is the good news.

Well, the 9 acres of land we now live on used to be Cherokee land, until the "Trail of Tears" moved them (and others) out at gun point back in the 1830's. As genuinely decent, nice and friendly as the people are here, I don't see a lot of empathy for that.

How are we so sure that 4th dimension parasitical entities don't contain a core of love within them, and would do well to remember who they really are as well? And another question: Who's to say that the manipulation originates at the 4-D level? I tend to think they are in the same bind we are, maybe even worse.

Just noticing things, and asking the questions...:)

[Orion197]

Dear Fred,
You raise some great points and it seems like many times we contradict each other with the actions we do. I think that it's safe to say that no one really has all the answers in this experience but we are learning and perhaps that is the point of everything, meaning to grow, to learn and to remember who we really are and where we came from. As we become more aware, we change our outlook on life and start making decisions for the better in living the best "life" we can. Some are here to do something, some are here to learn, some are here to help with this awakening.

Regarding the Archons i would tend to agree that that they do come from the same fabric that we come from at its core but at this level of reality they are on a mission to manipulate us. I kind of relate it loosely to a difficult spouse. We should still love them even though we heartily disagree with them most of the time :) Never hate or fight, that's the ego whispering to you silently (sometimes not so silently) in the background. Just don't agree.

On a deeper level, I would suggest we are all resonance, vibration, frequency and energy. As we turn into a more loving society (the goal of this experience perhaps..) and leave the hate, greed and war behind, those low vibrational experiences will start to wane, ultimately disappear and have little effect on us.

[music]

The reptilian brain is a misconception. When McLean proposed his triune brain theory in the 1960s, (from which this idea stems) we knew a lot less than we do today. What people call the “Reptilian cortex” in humans is more properly called the basal ganglia, and is involved in cognitive and emotive functions, conscious motor skills, habitual (procedural) learning, and other areas. McLean believed a similar structure dominated the forebrains of reptiles, but we know this is a fallacy today. The structure appears in a minor form only in the forebrains of sauropsids (birds and reptiles), and also exists in amphibians and fishes, as well as mammals (which we are).

Belief in the reptilian brain is just one step away from this gem I once read on a forum


Descended from monkeys? No, that’s the black race. White people have a reptilian brain, black people have a monkey brain.

I won’t even comment on the idea that we have a reptilian brain inserted into us by archons as a control mechanism except to say: yes, we are being controlled, but by psychology and sociology, not by anatomy and physiology.