Space Gate - Ultra Top Secret UFO Program

[Harley]

I read somewhere that this was a high school project. Whatever, it was pretty darn good!

Description:

The true story of the secret space program. 1917-Present.

It was EXECUTIVE MEMORANDUM, NSC 5401/1 that created MJ-12.

The Nazi crafts produced a force field around them which reduced their inertia 99.999% allowing them to do their incredible feats. As a result, these crafts could not be used as a weapon because standard projectiles could not penetrate the force field. It wasn't until long after the war was over, that laser technology was invented allowing the crafts to become formidable weapons.

In the late 60's the US government was kicked off the moon and prevented from leaving orbit of this planet because they tried to set up weapon systems on the moon during the first Apollo mission.

The crafts used for Mil-abs ops contain a joint crew of both human military personnel along with cloned greys.

Disclaimer: Some of the images are a recreation, but the narration is accurate to the best of my knowledge.

Sources include:

"Space Gate, The Veil Removed - Phoenix Journal 3 - by Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn" http://www.fourwinds10.com/journals/h...

"Classified Advanced Antigravity Aerospace Craft, Dr. Boylan"
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cie...

Video: UFO's of the Third Reich

Source of information the Moon and Mars Colonies:

Henry Deacon - Lawrence Livermore Labs Physicist
Alex Collier - Andromedan Contactee


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3Cw_JFwzA

[ascendingstarseed]

Great video! Although the 2 links in the quote box were no longer active....

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hey Harley not quite sure what the connection you made with Space Gate Phoenix Journel??

Anyway heres the Link to the full Journel....a must read for all...If you are seeking truth this is a must read... you will find many names within...Billy Meier/Friedman/Connally/Cooper and ,many many more.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/journals/pdf/J003.pdf

viking

[Zook]

I read somewhere that this was a high school project. Whatever, it was pretty darn good!

Description:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3Cw_JFwzA

I`m not sure the author (high school project or not) is credible. For one, he states in the video that JFK was assassinated by William Greer, the limousine driver. A quick study of the following youtube video refutes that claim:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related

JFK was assassinated by conspiracy, to be sure ... but placing Greer in the shooter`s spot is patent nonsense and/or disinfo. This naturally brings into question all the other stuff in the putative high school video. Not that that information is suspect necessarily, but the author himself doesn`t inspire confidence. But hey, if he`s just a kid ... maybe I`m being too harsh.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Zook, this is the famous Zapruder film of JFK being shot... watch very carefully...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo2gsQijmmY&feature=related

Also go to page 40-42 of the Journel I posted on this thread for details. His Assassination was carried out by agents of MJ12. Have a good read.

viking

[Zook]

Hi viking,


Hi Zook, this is the famous Zapruder film of JFK being shot... watch very carefully...
[...]
viking

You should watch the the video I provided above. It will remove all doubt. What Bill Cooper interprets as a gun is in fact the sun rays bouncing off the hair of the man sitting next to Greer. I will give Cooper a free pass on this one because, at the time of his documentary, he only had a grainy Zapruder video to work with.

Yes. There was a conspiracy. Yes Oswald was a patsy. Yes LBJ, Bush Sr., Hunt, Dulles`bros., etc. ... they all need to be subpoenaed about their involvement. But make no mistake about it, Greer was never the shooter. Now, was Greer in on the conspiracy in another capacity? I mean, why did he stop and turn around to look when he should have accelerated? Who knows? That is beyond my ability to answer.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Zook , it looks like one has been doctured with...I am aware of that film you posted and I did take a peep...

The film you posted, at the time of the shot the driver was sitting down...

Now go to the Zapruder Film. At the time of the shot the driver is clearly standing up and turns around!! Bang!!

So which one do we believe the first film or the later ones which could have been played around with!!

viking

[Zook]

Zook , it looks like one has been doctured with...I am aware of that film you posted and I did take a peep...
The film you posted, at the time of the shot the driver was sitting down...
Now go to the Zapruder Film. At the time of the shot the driver is clearly standing up and turns around!! Bang!!
So which one do we believe the first film or the later ones which could have been played around with!!
viking

I tried and tried to see what you were asking me to see, Vike.. I just couldn`t see it. Indeed, the narrator merely states that the driver rotates and fires, not stands up and fires. But clearly, in the video I provided, you can see the driver sitting and turning (just like in your video), but with both hands below chest level when the Sun`s rays hits the co-driver`s head (resulting in the sheen which your video claims is a gun). Ergo, it could not have been a gun. On top of that, the driver would`ve only had 1/18th of a second to raise his left hand from below chest level and fire the alleged pistol. Not humanly possible.

But I`m glad we both agree that there was, indeed, a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. To prove that conspiracy however, as in the case of 9/11/2001, the best evidence should be put forth. Inaccurate evidence can only delay the prosecution. I submit again that the video I provide here makes it absolutely certain that Greer could not have been the shooter.

[Eric J (Viking)]

HeyZook, lets play ping pong it's more fun!! LOL

I've looked again at the Zapruder...if you go towards to end where the Japs enhanced the Film you can clearly see the driver turn around and raiise his body slightly, presumably to get the angle above the agent directlly in front of JFK so the shot is above heads height for accuracy... after that JFK head more or less explodes with impact of the bullet!!

Perhaps we both want to see what we want to see...;)

What do the other folks think??

viking

[Arpheus]

Seems to me the driver did it tho,its shameful that to this day true justice have been brought to the people who committed such an atrocious act,now don't get me wrong JFK was no saint tho i believe most people are aware of that here on avalon,but at least he had the guts to stand up for what he believed was right to the future of this country,its like like 9/11 tho the people behind these crimes will never be brought to justice sadly,why do you think the image of justice is a lady with her eyes covered ,its in our faces for whoever wants to see it ,justice is blind and has always been something to think about it ...

[Zook]

HeyZook, lets play ping pong it's more fun!! LOL

I've looked again at the Zapruder...if you go towards to end where the Japs enhanced the Film

I'm sure my cousin with the the spiritual allegiances to Valhalla, will see the wisdom and harmony in changing his addressal of my cousins from Japan, to Japanese.



you can clearly see the driver turn around and raiise his body slightly, presumably to get the angle above the agent directlly in front of JFK so the shot is above heads height for accuracy... after that JFK head more or less explodes with impact of the bullet!!


Nope. Not from what I see. What I see in the video that I provided, is two hands well below the level required to hold a gun and pull the trigger; and only an eighteenth of a second to raise hand (and gun) to a level where a shot would be effective. Humanly impossible. From what the narrator states, there's an eighteenth second delay between frames. In frame 312, the president's head is still relatively pristine; in the next frame, the president's head is hit. But the absolute proof is in the driver's left hand ... it can be seen in the same relative position in both frames 312 and 313. End of story.



Perhaps we both want to see what we want to see...;)
What do the other folks think??
viking

I don't think that's the case here. I mean, I really wanted to see what you asked me to see; not what I had already seen earlier for myself. But all I see is a grainy colorized Japanese version of the video, as grainy as the b/w video that Bill Cooper is basing his conclusions on. Like I said previously, Cooper can be excused for his incorrect conclusion, and precisely because he didn't have access to the video that I provide above. I'm sure Cooper, were he alive today, would withdraw his conclusion. Here's a simple exercise. Look at the grainy videos again, but this time look for an optical illusion caused by the Sun's rays and not for a gun. I think you'll be surprised.

[jaybee]

I`m not sure the author (high school project or not) is credible. For one, he states in the video that JFK was assassinated by William Greer, the limousine driver. A quick study of the following youtube video refutes that claim:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related

JFK was assassinated by conspiracy, to be sure ... but placing Greer in the shooter`s spot is patent nonsense and/or disinfo. This naturally brings into question all the other stuff in the putative high school video. Not that that information is suspect necessarily, but the author himself doesn`t inspire confidence. But hey, if he`s just a kid ... maybe I`m being too harsh.


I agree with you Uncle Zook !!

Looking at the two videos...yours and Viking's one...I would conclude from them that
Greer didn't fire the FINAL shot.

It would just be too risky for the driver to do this with all the witnesses focused on the car.

He MAY have been part of it in some way? Don't know..perhaps slowing down for the
final, deadly shot?

Because...looking into it a bit just now...it seems that at least three shots were fired.


One hit Kennedy (bless his soul) through the neck? throat?.....one hit Govenor Connally
through his body...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination


During the shots Governor Connally was also struck, and his wife pulled him closer to her. He suffered several severe wounds that he survived, including a bullet entry wound in his upper right back located just behind his right armpit, four inches of his right, fifth chest rib was pulverized to pieces, a two-and-a-half inch sized sucking-air chest exit wound, his right arm's wrist bone was fractured into seven pieces, and he had a bullet entry wound in his left inner thigh.



The agent...Kellerman..sitting next to the driver..must have ducked, forward when the first
two shots were fired...then sat up and the final shot hit the President in the head.

If the shots came from the same gun... then from the path that the bullet took
through Connally's body....it would have been from a high position...?

The final shot......could this also have come from behind..or from the right..
(from high up?) .because....I would think the blood we see COULD be coming from an
EXIT wound?

[jaybee]

I don't think that's the case here. I mean, I really wanted to see what you asked me to see; not what I had already seen earlier for myself. But all I see is a grainy colorized Japanese version of the video, as grainy as the b/w video that Bill Cooper is basing his conclusions on. Like I said previously, Cooper can be excused for his incorrect conclusion, and precisely because he didn't have access to the video that I provide above. I'm sure Cooper, were he alive today, would withdraw his conclusion. Here's a simple exercise. Look at the grainy videos again, but this time look for an optical illusion caused by the Sun's rays and not for a gun. I think you'll be surprised.


I could hardly make out anything, either, from the Video you are refering to...
(the Bill Cooper one that Viking provided)...

I'm not really surprised that Japan would 'run' with this...don't suppose America was
exactly it's favourite country, at the time?

I was also a bit suspiscious when John Lear's name came into it...(7:00)....I, personally
have a question-mark regarding him....(rightly or wrongly...)

[Harley]

Great video! Although the 2 links in the quote box were no longer active....
I just quoted the video description as a convenience to those who didn't want to go to "The Tube". Sorry about the broken links.

Thanks, ascendingstarseed!

[jaybee]

But I`m glad we both agree that there was, indeed, a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. To prove that conspiracy however, as in the case of 9/11/2001, the best evidence should be put forth..

Stop it....LOL.

Actually..the kid's video in the OP..reminded me of many 9/11 videos...you know..'stuff' presented
in a monotone kind of way...emotionless...almost bored? No-matter how extra-ordinary the claims........:p

[Zook]

I agree with you Uncle Zook !!
[...]


Thanx, Mother Jayne.

I'm still holding hope you'll come over in your research of the events of 9/11/2001.
:ranger:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well, we can't agree on everything can we...hey let's agree to disagree!!

Zook if you are correct I will buy you a drink at the Galactic Bar sometime... or vice versa.. ;)

viking

[observer]

Stop !!!

This is all turning into another 'what hit the Pentagon' discussion. Who the actual 'shooter' was in the Kennedy assassination is IRELEVENT to the fact that Kennedy WAS shot. Arguing about who the shooter was is wasting valuable time and resources in the pursuit of who ordered the shooting. Can't you all see this?

If you want to go beyond the minutiae of bickering over 'talking points' and research the Truth regarding the Kennedy affair, look at 'who benefited':

JFK, The Bush Connection - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4330031689287456187#

If you take the time and watch this documentary to the end, you will gain a much broader understanding of who was behind the Kennedy assassination. This is the most accurate compilation of the facts available on the issue. (to my knowledge)

You will also see how there is a connection between what the Nazis were doing and how they were able to matriculate those operations into the United States after the war. You will gain understanding of how it was all the work of a closely-nit circle of individuals over generations of evolution. You will gain a clearer understanding of why the assassination was pivotal in the course of current events.

These are the issues that are relevant.... not 'who the shooter was'. Who cares who pulled the trigger? What we should all be concerned with is 'who benefited'....

[Zook]

Hi Observer,


Stop !!!
This is all turning into another 'what hit the Pentagon' discussion. Who the actual 'shooter' was in the Kennedy assassination is IRELEVENT to the fact that Kennedy WAS shot. Arguing about who the shooter was is wasting valuable time and resources in the pursuit of who ordered the shooting. Can't you all see this?


I understand your concern, Observer. However, I think it's misplaced here. The point of who the shooter was or wasn't ... is not to solve the JFK conspiracy here, but to evaluate the integrity of the original post (specifically, for its other claims, e.g. space gates, Top Secret/Bottom Gossip UFO programs, etc.).



If you want to go beyond the minutiae of bickering over 'talking points' and research the Truth regarding the Kennedy affair, look at 'who benefited':

JFK, The Bush Connection - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4330031689287456187#

If you take the time and watch this documentary to the end, you will gain a much broader understanding of who was behind the Kennedy assassination. This is the most accurate compilation of the facts available on the issue. (to my knowledge)

You will also see how there is a connection between what the Nazis were doing and how they were able to matriculate those operations into the United States after the war. You will gain understanding of how it was all the work of a closely-nit circle of individuals over generations of evolution. You will gain a clearer understanding of why the assassination was pivotal in the course of current events.

These are the issues that are relevant.... not 'who the shooter was'. Who cares who pulled the trigger? What we should all be concerned with is 'who benefited'....

I agree wholeheartedly, in the narrative of solving the JFK conspiracy. Indeed, I briefly mentioned LBJ, Bush, Dulles, Hunt as prime targets for investigation earlier on in this thread. However, the narrative here is the integrity of the original post (e.g. the putative high school project video).

Having said that, thank you for this new video link. The major conspiracies of this world in the last few centuries, are indeed linked to the same basic cartel of conspirators and their degenerate generational seed. Every truth should be investigated until it's properly established. You have given us the necessary segue into the JFK conspiracy. Any takers?

[Zook]

Well, we can't agree on everything can we...hey let's agree to disagree!!

Zook if you are correct I will buy you a drink at the Galactic Bar sometime... or vice versa.. ;)

viking

In the interests of harmony, agree we shall to disagree. In the interests of knowledge, make sure you bring a heavy wallet ... I like to take Stella by the barrel (or anywhere really). :wink:

[lightblue]

zookumar
In the interests of harmony, agree we shall to disagree. In the interests of knowledge, make sure you bring a heavy wallet ... I like to take Stella by the barrel (or anywhere really).

Last edited by zookumar; Today at 15:03.

Cheers
Uncle Zook




i find it's unpleasant insisting on how more accurate your proposition is...about how right you are ..personally, i find viking's proposition and video more accurate/authentic..

also i thank observer for his remarks - this discussion slid to gritty nit-picking and it's besides the point, i do agree with observer on that..

i liked the graciousness viking displayed. .. :yu: l


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[witchy1]

Wow, what a great video. I clearly have so much to learn.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I read somewhere that this was a high school project. Whatever, it was pretty darn good!

Description:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3Cw_JFwzA

My apologies Harley, I didn't watch the full video hence I did not realize the connection with the 'Space gate' Journel ... Yes its excellent research by young lads... good information...

*****

Thanks Blue... *hugs*

viking

[jaybee]

Stop !!!

This is all turning into another 'what hit the Pentagon' discussion. Who the actual 'shooter' was in the Kennedy assassination is IRELEVENT to the fact that Kennedy WAS shot. Arguing about who the shooter was is wasting valuable time and resources in the pursuit of who ordered the shooting. Can't you all see this?


You are entitled to your opinion...but you can't dictate what people talk about..

And IF... 'the driver did it'...is disinfo..then it is relevant to the big picture..



If you want to go beyond the minutiae of bickering over 'talking points' and research the Truth regarding the Kennedy affair, look at 'who benefited':

Bickering ?

There we were...playing nicely in the sandpit...and.....:rolleyes:




JFK, The Bush Connection - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4330031689287456187#
...

Thanks....I have started to watch it..will finish it later.




zookumar
i find it's unpleasant insisting on how more accurate your proposition is...about how right you are ..


It's called DEBATE...and having an opinion.

Zookumar was polite throughout....but he had an OPINION on the evidence presented.
And it was relevant to the OP video...


What's unpleasant about that?

[Zook]

Hi lightblue,


zookumar

i find it's unpleasant insisting on how more accurate your proposition is...about how right you are ..personally, i find viking's proposition and video more accurate/authentic..

The quest for truth is paramount with me. Diplomacy, pleasantry, harmony, smileys ... these can help deliver the truth, to be sure. If, however, such methodologies begin to obstruct the truth, they should be quickly abandoned. Else you get sucked into a hallucinogenic view of the world, with all the attending false energies.

Now, there are truths out there that cannot be resolved immediately. In such cases, the above methodologies have great value. "Agreeing to disagree" is tonic for the soul and it preserves the positive energy. But in cases where there is absolutely no room for opinion; where the truth is so blatant that to debate it is to retard its establishment ... well, we are left with both the truth and those that stand in opposition to it. Period. Keep this in mind for below.



also i thank observer for his remarks - this discussion slid to gritty nit-picking and it's besides the point, i do agree with observer on that..


I already replied to Observer's post. In that reply, I identified the relevance of the JFK assassination in this thread, e.g. as a gauge for the research integrity of the "space gates video" and not as an expedition to determine who did or did not shoot JFK. Suffice to say, the focus seems to have shifted to the limousine driver. So be it. Truths are ubiquitous. They can be pursued before shift, during shift, and after shift.

Getting to the specifics of the matter, Viking found himself trying to defend the indefensible. Frames 312 and 313 of the video I linked to, unambiguously show both of Greer's hands below chest level and near the steering wheel. There's an eighteen-hundredth second delay between frames. Viking's shooter hypothesis would require the driver to (a) lift his left hand with a gun in it, (b) fire a successful shot, (c) return his gun hand to virtually the same spot next to the steering wheel. All in one eighteen-hundredth of a second. That's roughly a fifth of a second. Humanly impossible. Period.

If one continues to waffle on about the establishment of a fact after it has been established, then one effectively exposes one's level of discernment to ridicule. I can do nothing about that, nor will I accept any blame for that. But I thank you for trying to give me a hefty chunk of the blame pie.



i liked the graciousness viking displayed. .. :yu: l
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Grace cannot be shown in opposition to truth. What Viking was trying to do was maintain harmony. And I applaud him for that. In deference to harmony, I agreed with Viking to disagree. After all, mine is not to embarrass those who stand in opposition to truth; merely to defend truth with pit bull vigor when it is no longer susceptible to opinion. My deference to knowledge is what prompted me -in a lighthearted way- to suggest that Viking bring a heavy wallet to the Galactic Bar.

The truth would have been satisfied, Viking and I would've both had our uneventful exits (perhaps to meet later on at the Galactic Bar, who knows, perhaps at a bigger party hosted by the Supercluster Bistro), and positive energy would've remained intact ... had you not decided to barge in with a tuba at a piano recital.

[lightblue]

.
.surely no one here subscribes to truth as such, so it’s funny you should write:


The truth would have been satisfied, Viking and I would've both had our uneventful exits (perhaps to meet later on at the Galactic Bar, who knows, perhaps at a bigger party hosted by the Supercluster Bistro), and positive energy would've remained intact ... had you not decided to barge in with a tuba at a piano recital.

no one here “barges in”, everyone is free to pass their comments… this forum is free for all and there are no exclusive conversations…. best wishes :wink: l


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[Zook]

[...]
Getting to the specifics of the matter, Viking found himself trying to defend the indefensible. Frames 312 and 313 of the video I linked to, unambiguously show both of Greer's hands below chest level and near the steering wheel. There's an eighteen-hundredth second delay between frames. Viking's shooter hypothesis would require the driver to (a) lift his left hand with a gun in it, (b) fire a successful shot, (c) return his gun hand to virtually the same spot next to the steering wheel. All in one eighteen-hundredth of a second. That's roughly a fifth of a second. Humanly impossible. Period.


In the interests of accuracy, I just went back and watched the video again. The time delay between frames is actually an eighteenth of a second, not an eighteen-hundredth or a fifth of a second as I mistakenly reported above. This makes it even less possible to do all three things mentioned above.

Thanx again for your support, Mother Jayne.

To Lightblue, let`s start this first meeting thing all over again. Hi, my name is zookumar. My nephew and niece call me Uncle Zook. How do you do? :tea:

[Beth]

Thought I'd heard sometime back that there's frames missing from the Zepruder film, and if that's the case, doubt we'll ever know who the real shooter/s were.

[jaybee]

OK....now we've got that sorted out...lol....(not)



I read somewhere that this was a high school project. Whatever, it was pretty darn good!

Description:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3Cw_JFwzA


How many people here think that in the 1960s a colony of OVER 500,000 occupants was
constructed under the surface of Mars? (00:40)


I just think this is too much to believe...without a bit more evidence...other than
someone 'saying it'.....who-ever that someone might be.

[Zook]

Thought I'd heard sometime back that there's frames missing from the Zepruder film, and if that's the case, doubt we'll ever know who the real shooter/s were.

Beth, Beth, Beth ... just when he had secured all the toys in the play cube, you just had to have a craving for that slinky, didn`t you! A slinnkeee, a slinnkeee, fun for girls and boys ...

Ahem.

All right, let`s open 'er up again. Medicine ball. Leggo set. Betty Crocker oven. Here, let`s toss this EtchaSketch in the done bin. Raggedy Ann. Andy. Ahhh ... Slinky!

Well, you raise a good point, Beth. There are, indeed, a few missing frames from the Zapruder film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film

Fortunately for our debate, the missing frames are from 208-211, not the frames that are relevant to the driver`s alleged role as a shooter.

******************begin Excerpt **************************
In October 1964, the U.S. Government Printing Office released 26 volumes of testimony and evidence compiled by the Warren Commission. Volume 18 of the commission's hearings reproduced 158 frames of the Zapruder film in black and white. However, frames 208–211 were missing, a splice was visible in frames 207 and 212, frames 314 and 315 were switched, and frame 284 was a repeat of 283.[8] In reply to an inquiry, the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover wrote in 1965 that 314 and 315 were switched due to a printing error, and that the error did not exist in the original Warren Commission exhibits. In early 1967, Life released a statement that four frames of the camera original (208–211) had been accidentally destroyed, and the adjacent frames damaged, by a Life photo lab technician on November 23, 1963. Life released the missing frames from the first-generation copy it had received from Zapruder with the original.[9] (Of the Zapruder frames outside the section used in the commission's exhibits, frames 155–157 and 341 were also damaged and spliced out of the camera original, but are present in the first-generation copies.)
********************end************************************


Frames 312 and 313 are not affected. But for the sake of argument, let`s assume that the relationship between frames can`t be trusted. We can still direct our attention exclusively to frame 313 and make the case for the driver not being the shooter. For frame 313 captures Kennedy`s head being hit and in the same frame both hands of the driver are visible in proximity to the steering wheel, not where we would expect them to be had the driver fired the shot.

Mind you, the driver is still a suspect in the overall conspiracy (for not taking evasive measures after the first shot was fired; and certainly after the second shot hit Kennedy in the throat). Indeed, the link that Observer provides makes a strong case for the driver to be in on the conspiracy. But we can rule out his role as being anything other than a driver. Btw, for the record, the issue here is not who the shooter(s) are ... but who the shooter isn`t.

:focus:
(hmmm ... what was the topic, mewonders knowingly? Oh yeah, space gates.)

[TigaHawk]

You can never have Harmony amist the chaos of disagreeing minds.

You can however, learn to accept that everyone is an individual person, looking at life through their own set of eyes, from their own angle, and in their own colors.

One should not fear if their ideas or statements are questioned or queried, they should be happy someone has the interest, and the want to try to learn to see/understand the subject as you do.

One should also welcome being proven wrong, there's no shame in it, as you've just learnt something new, and are now slightly wiser ;)

I'm turning into a hippy!

[Zook]

Hi Tigahawk,


You can never have Harmony amist the chaos of disagreeing minds.

You can however, learn to accept that everyone is an individual person, looking at life through their own set of eyes, from their own angle, and in their own colors.

One should not fear if their ideas or statements are questioned or queried, they should be happy someone has the interest, and the want to try to learn to see/understand the subject as you do.

One should also welcome being proven wrong, there's no shame in it, as you've just learnt something new, and are now slightly wiser ;)


Wise words. Very much agree. Genuinely impressed in the clarity of your vision. When I was 24, I was debating whether to toss my time under a barbell or take a short cut by flexing this telescopic thingmajiggy called the Bullworker! Wait, that was when I was 18. When I was 24 I was stuck in transit between the Tcosy lab at UoGuelph and the vending machine in the hallway that poured out the vilest-tasting addictive coffee you`d allow your tongue to touch, for three mooses (this was before the days of loons and bruins ubiquity).

If I may be permitted, there is perhaps one valuable exception to the above rule of harmony; harmony is still possible if order exists in the exchange of disagreeing minds. But I guess that`s not so much an exception to the rule of harmony (amidst the chaos of disagreeing minds) ... as it is another rule altogether: harmony amidst the order of disagreeing minds. To complete the thought, a triplet trivial rule exists: harmony amidst the order of agreeing minds. Since we`re here, let`s splurge and get the quadruplet! Harmony amidst the chaos of agreeing minds, i.e. there are times when people argue even when they agree. :boxing: LOL



I'm turning into a hippy!

Better hippy than hoppy ... and disappearing into a rabbit hole.

[jaybee]

How many people here think that in the 1960s a colony of OVER 500,000 occupants was
constructed under the surface of Mars? (00:40)


I just think this is too much to believe...without a bit more evidence...other than
someone 'saying it'.....who-ever that someone might be.


No-one who has taken part in this thread has an opinion on this?

It's bang on topic...

Harley?

[Arpheus]

Its all about one's perspective on the matter we all see the same things from a different angle in life its called being human .:p

[lightblue]

zookumar:


To Lightblue, let`s start this first meeting thing all over again. Hi, my name is zookumar. My nephew and niece call me Uncle Zook. How do you do?

hi, l

:meeting:

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[RAKMEiSTER]

No-one who has taken part in this thread has an opinion on this?

It's bang on topic...

Harley?

i see it as disinfo, as far im aware we've been at mars (instant travel ancient device point to point) and awakened something/someone's under the surface. < also in a project avalon film.(cant recollect which one atm) (seen m all xd) beside correlating with the annunaki moon base ,and mars as a dispatch/incoming traffic base .
if im correct the film said some about some of the offworld officiers going down and thats triggered a awakening, (longggg wintersleep xd) and not all of them came back alive.

[observer]

OK....now we've got that sorted out...lol....(not)

How many people here think that in the 1960s a colony of OVER 500,000 occupants was
constructed under the surface of Mars? (00:40)

I just think this is too much to believe...without a bit more evidence...other than
someone 'saying it'.....who-ever that someone might be.

I would draw your attention to another Thread on this Forum (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6830-Space-plane-goes-missing&p=58909#post58909)where Bill Ryan has made several relevant statements regarding travel to Mars.

His comments can be found here:

Not so fast! :)

And here:

Manned: it takes a whole bunch of people up there - two or three dozen....

[edit] And, most recently here:

From http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html

I hope this information clears-up this debate....

[Bill Ryan]

How many people here think that in the 1960s a colony of OVER 500,000 occupants was
constructed under the surface of Mars? (00:40)

I just think this is too much to believe...without a bit more evidence...other than
someone 'saying it'.....who-ever that someone might be.

Hi, jaybee:

No evidence - but we do have testimony that can't be dismissed with a wave of the hand.

Click here for my response on another thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6830-Space-plane-goes-missing&p=58937&viewfull=1#post58937

Do also enjoy this diagram:
http://projectavalon.net/Utah_black_triangle_size_comparison.gif

This is a to-scale diagram of the craft reported and described by Gordon Novel here:

http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3

(MUST LISTEN - just a couple of minutes.)

Gordon states that there exist eight (8) of these enormous craft - which are half the size of an aircraft carrier and might be able to transport up to 2,000 people each.

Where are they all going?