Leadership challenge? [Australia]

[Tesseract]

Good night Avalon. I hope that when I get up in the morning Australia has a new PM.

[Sgt-Bones]

Doesn't really matter.

They're all bought and paid for by the same people.

One puppet on a string gets replaced by another.

Same agenda gets implemented.... just packaged a little differently.

Sleep well :)

[ThresholdRising]

its oz da same I suppose ;)

[MadMax1]

Kevin Rudd keeps saying that he will not challenge again unless they force a vote to cause him to do so, unless the treasurer does it which has happened 2 times in labour in the past they should have stuck with Rudd in the first place.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I think Abbott has been given the go ahead regardless of the outcome of this ballot.

[Hazel]

All too depressing...

An Abbott led country will be the most dullard right wing government we've ever had and the mandate to increase the gap between the haves and have nots will be a regrettable thing for those currently sucked-in by the rhetoric.

This foolish revolving door play will damage Labor long term.. and recognition for all the good progressive programs it has implemented will be lost in the pantomime that we the people have supported.

Baaaa Baa..
As they say we get what we deserve

[MadMax1]

I agree Tony abbot is as stupid as you can be and still be in government the liberals are all about big business i think labour is the lesser of two evils here, but should never have let Julia Gillard take over as prime minister she is a weak leader

[Hazel]

Can't agree that Julia is a weak leader.. she has a tough yet compassionate intelligence that I admire. If its her demise ahead then I hope the nation has the grace to acknowledge the good she has achieved. My take on old Kevin is that his ego gets in the way of clarity.. and the desire for reinstatement is another expression of such.

But then (dare I say) there appears to be an evident trend of male/female divide on this.

Lets just hope Labor can gain some ground no matter what the leadership outcome.:flypig:

Ok.. so Kev's back/Queenslanders are cheering!
If he brings in reforms like gay marriage no doubt the popularity stakes will raise a tad.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Paul Hogan should be PM.

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[Tesseract]

PM is gone - her back-stabbing ways have come full circle. Call it a historical slap in the face, if nothing else :) Also a major blow for the right faction and union bosses who have corrupted the Labor party. This is a very significant day for Australian politics.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-26/live-blog-labor-leadership/4782312

P.S. Jackovesk if you are reading, drink one for me.

[witchy1]

I think in both "back stabbing" cases krudd and juliar have been conned into doing it by the shadow government and the weasels that we dont see. Its still the same party so the good work done on education disability etc should not come unstuck.

If they didnt think they would win under Juliar what chance do they have under krudd.

Abbott made a great speech to the minining industry today. He is speaking the right speak - asylum seekers, getting rid of carbon tax and mining tax, etc - but yes could be a pile of crap as well.

I thought Albo came across well tonight - definate warming to him

Just had a thought - if Abbott gave kiwis automatic citizenship after 2 years (like they do in NZ for Australians) he would have a million votes tomorrow - because here is better than what Donkey is doing over there!

(I cant vote so my voice is not heard) so just saying

And that Chief of Australian Defence guy should be prime minister IMHO

[Hazel]

I see Jacko appears to have vetoed this thread in favour of his own party line..
Does that make you an independent Jackovesk or do our words here misrepresent your intent? :welcome:

Just Jossin'

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I see Jacko appears to have vetoed this thread in favour of his own party line..
Does that make you and independent Jackovesk or do our words here misrepresent your intent? :welcome:

Just Jossin'

By the looks of things recap, Jack has been banned for 2 months. Mods don't appreciate descent around here. Rudd will do better that Gillard would have, though I hate to think of an abbott lead australia, and I think that is where it is heading though.

Considering moving to NZ :)

[Fractalius]

Considering moving to NZ

Positive VM meet John Key, the New Zealand PM

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/john-key-and-the-things-he-does-not-want-you-to-know-part-1-the-attack-on-the-nz-dollar-in-1987/

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Good Point lol.

[MadMax1]

The liberals are all about big business you only have to look at what thy did when John Howard was in government, big business thrived and he managed to get rid of the unions too. I can not stand the liberals one bit my personal opinion of Tony Abbot is he is as dumb as you can be and still be a politicion, if you vote them back in they will once again make big business boom and leave the average aussie battler in the dust. Yes Julia Gillard deserved to get booted out and Rudd back in Labour has a bad habit of getting rid of there leaders and then it back fires on them, One problem Kevin Rudd has is he tends to think the sun shines out of his bum at times but other then that he makes a good leader for the people.

[TigaHawk]

i think labour is the lesser of two evils here


They are the exact same thing, marketed at different things to give a false perception that we have a choice. Even the other parties that are there to present a greater illusion of choice have all their votes passed on to one of the two main parties when they fail to win, i dont know how that cant be seen as just another voting outlet with a different name that sends its votes directly through to the rest.

As we've also seen i dont know.. how many times?? enough that it should have sunk in by now surely!! They promice you exactly what you want to hear to get the votes but the second they are in power they do whatever the hell they (or their masters) want them to do regardless. It's like a predictable game of Pong, ball is on the left side as they won the election, ball starts heading to the other side as the people get pissed that everything they promiced gets ignored and in most cases go direclty against what they promiced (Carbon tax is a great example) so the people think oh the other side cant be as bad they've been promicing to give us what we really want!! so the ball reaches the other side, then the exact same thing happens again.

I still find it slightly sad people in this very thread are trying to say one side is not as bad as the other or this party as they are all one and the same!

[Anchor]

Games are afoot.

Julia Gillard said there would be no Carbon Tax, and she passed it into law.


Just before the 2010 Federal election, Julia Gillard said “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”

Mind you at least she admitted the error and said sorry.


John Howard said there would be no GST, yet saw it passed into law during his term.


John Howard: No, there's no way that a GST will ever be part of our policy.
Journalist: Never ever?
John Howard: Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by the voters in the last election.
--Interview, Tweed Heads Civic Centre (2 May 1995)

This is the same BS we get from politicians the world over. They start out passionate about serving the people who elect them, but end up serving unseen masters and having to change their minds and be made liars.

What I want to see is politicians telling the truth.

Avoid weasel words, so that the construction of what is said bears out as true technically, but conveying a lie. It is called spin! The arch spin doctor for Tony Blair from the UK has been in Australia recently - Alistair Cambell, a past master of the art of distortion and lies presented as "truth".

Politicians! Listen up!!! Just tell the truth and the whole truth. It will work, I promise.

People understand the truth. People are not as stupid as the elite have tried to make them via despicable means.

The truth is resonant and it rings and people understand it. Speak it and serve well!

I dont care who gets in the job now, just be honest and work from the heart - or face the karma.

[ThePythonicCow]

Politicians! Listen up!!! Just tell the truth and the whole truth. It will work, I promise.
If a decent, honest, politician told the truth before the election, they wouldn't get elected ... not because "we can't handle the truth", but because we don't have honest elections.

If a corrupt, or corruptible, politician told the truth before the election, they might or might not get elected, but it wouldn't matter either way. The corruption would continue.

If any one, already elected, told the truth, they would not stay a living, breathing and elected official for long.

[Fractalius]

Now NZ's labour party leader has been told he has 2 months to shape up or he will be replaced too.

[Anchor]

Politicians! Listen up!!! Just tell the truth and the whole truth. It will work, I promise.
If a decent, honest, politician told the truth before the election, they wouldn't get elected ... not because "we can't handle the truth", but because we don't have honest elections.

If a corrupt, or corruptible, politician told the truth before the election, they might or might not get elected, but it wouldn't matter either way. The corruption would continue.

If any one, already elected, told the truth, they would not stay a living, breathing and elected official for long.

Agree, but, this dark scenario can be overcome by a change in attitude. Eventually it will change.

[Mad Hatter]

Interestingly krudd the dud, like paul cheating (before him and probably others as well) was admitted to office despite violating this countries constitution. Specifically section 42 which states...

"Every senator and every member of the House of Representatives shall before taking his seat make and subscribe before the Governor General, or some person authorised by him, an oath or affirmation of allegiance in the form set forth in the schedule to this Constitution."

Wonder how much more of those sorts of shenanigans the sheeple here are going to put up with. It should also be noted and perhaps added to the mix, juliar is up on fraud charges in Western Australia...

I am fully cognisent of the fact that we have an incorporated body known as the Australian Parliament which has for years been masquerading as the de jure Commonwealth of Australia !! What I find a little disconcerting is that fellow travellers on the good citizen'ship' oz who are awake and aware enough to the material this forum presents are, on the face of it, still buying into the left right puppet paradigm.

I'd respectfully suggest that they consider taking a leaf out of the younger generations book and don't vote. At least they, seem to have cottoned on to the fact that we live in a demockery and as such want nothing to do with it.

Even more disheartening is the 'oh well, lesser of two evils argument'. This simply shows a somewhat deplorable ignorance as to the third option available to any citizen on voting day. Given the maxim 'Leadership is always down to those who turned up' the completely legal option to express your dissatisfaction with what is on offer comes down to simply striking a black line through every candidates name. If we all did this then the system has no choice but to call another election and field a completely new set of candidates... think about that long and hard before subjecting this nation to yet another round of rape pillage and plunder by the sociopathic collection of pirates currently infesting Canberra.

[witchy1]

I think this is really relevant to this disucssion on telling the truth....Why people believe what we are told (primarily by the pollies), the language used and some tips on spotting them. I found it so good, I might consider buying her book......By the way we all lie :suspicious:
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[Hazel]

Crikey-Mikey..

its like one rat with a gold tooth shoots up the proverbial drain pipe n' .. then while your blinkin' another fat one skittles out from the chimney and lands onyer pavlova.. tut tut.

But surely we can't allow cynicism to prevent our attempts to keep the bas***** honest eh!

Keep up the Stirrin' and we might just whip up a big enough batch of damper to scorch their sticky arses on the camp fire of searing truth. :attention::attention:

[apokalypse]

it's bloody painful to see Australian people(sheep) talked all the issues and problem on US election and their condition but they do opposite comes to Australia Election.

when ever i hear that name Tony Albert 2 thing popup in my head is DEBT and SURPLUS...sadly, people will buying it.

[Sgt-Bones]

I am fully cognisent of the fact that we have an incorporated body known as the Australian Parliament which has for years been masquerading as the de jure Commonwealth of Australia !!

Well, happy to see at least one person here knows what's up :D


What I find a little disconcerting is that fellow travellers on the good citizen'ship' oz who are awake and aware enough to the material this forum presents are, on the face of it, still buying into the left right puppet paradigm.

Yes, that IS a little disconcerting... but not really surprising.


I'd respectfully suggest that they consider taking a leaf out of the younger generations book and don't vote. At least they, seem to have cottoned on to the fact that we live in a demockery and as such want nothing to do with it.

Indeed, peaceful non-compliance is a good strategy for sure.

p.s. I have never voted once in either a state or federal election (never been fined for it either and I'm now 33 years old ;)).


... the completely legal option to express your dissatisfaction with what is on offer comes down to simply striking a black line through every candidates name. If we all did this then the system has no choice but to call another election and field a completely new set of candidates... think about that long and hard before subjecting this nation to yet another round of rape pillage and plunder by the sociopathic collection of pirates currently infesting Canberra.

I've often wondered how the puppet masters who pull this nation's strings from behind the scenes would handle that situation (if it was ever to eventuate)... would certainly be "interesting" to watch that play out.

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Also, as an after-thought, I figured some folks here might like to take a look at the following YT vid. It's a short doco about the fraudulent Australian "government" that has been illegally enacted and imposed upon us since the early part of the 20th century. It should be a good little eye-opener for those who haven't already seen it and/or haven't been exposed to this sort of information before.

What the FUQ:Frequently Unanswered Questions of the "Australian Government"

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And, this link offers some more detailed info for those who are interested:

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/09/20/commonwealth-australia-corporation

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is that our "government" is a total sham/scam.

Okay, apologies for the slight derailment... :focus: now.

[Hazel]

Yup seen this material SGT BONES

No derailment - on topic!