What do you think about a Person that does Basejumping for fun?

[seehas]

Hej Avalon Folks i would like to know what do you think about a Person that does Basejumping for fun?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_umMvQQ-sXnE/TKZeVD65NWI/AAAAAAAABkk/n7-p4nE0eDo/s1600/base-jumping-11.jpg

For me its like a two sided sword, a person that is able to do the step over a cliff will be pretty hard to control do to fear based mechanisms, it also removes the "we take care of you" mentality that our system puts on you, but otherwise its the biggest egoistic move thats possible if you have a family and friends that love you.

what do you think about it? (i would love to hear what a buddhist monk would say about it :) )

[indigopete]

I think it's great although I'm not a Bhuddist monk..

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Incredible wingsuit flight - just along the road from me...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsYTJAtaFKU

I would not be trying this myself but good luck to those who do.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I think all Buddhist monks should do it, until then they should suspend their judgment:rolleyes:

[Octavusprime]

I'm a thrill seeker myself, to the dissmay of my mother and girlfriend. For someone like myself the best way to feel alive is to get as close as I can to death. I dont do it unless i know it can be done. I take necessary precautions to minimize risk. I don't want to die but at the same time I do not fear it. I have broken many bones and donated much blood in the process. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger IMO.

My family knows me and has accepted this as a part of who I am. For their sakes I don't do everything that I would like to do. I've agreed to not own a motorcycle as a compromise to my GF.

Adrenaline junkies come in all flavors so I can only speak for myself. What I do is not selfish in my eyes. It is a passion that drives me to jump, fly and go fast. With every exhilarating thrill I feel more connected to the world around me.

[seehas]

I think it's great although I'm not a Bhuddist monk..

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Incredible wingsuit flight - just along the road from me...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsYTJAtaFKU

I would not be trying this myself but good luck to those who do.

nice :) check this video its only some days old start at minute 8:00 its the girls record - 15 girls at one time

i bow down to the mental power to do this - humans are amazing


http://vimeo.com/68995170

[Octavusprime]

Check out this oldie but goodie. Inspiring.

http://www.flixxy.com/best-wingsuit-flying-footage.htm

[naste.de.lumina]

I made many parachute jumps from aircraft. All for fun.
The jump basejumping besides being much riskier is also more difficult to be done because there is no easy access to towers, bridges, buildings or cliffs on which to jump.
The parachute is specially developed for this jump because it has to have an opening very quickly and with a canopy of aerodynamic shape that pushes the skydiver forward, otherwise you run the risk of colliding with the structure.
Remembering that these parachutes basejumping has no reserves, they are useless due to low altitude jumps.
The freedom of flight in a free fall is an experience impossible to describe in words. Maybe the closest is wonderful.
I do not think selfish act. Police officers, firefighters, soldiers, etc., all run some risk. After only two are sure of life. The death and paying taxes.

[Fred Steeves]

Hej Avalon Folks i would like to know what do you think about a Person that does Basejumping for fun?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_umMvQQ-sXnE/TKZeVD65NWI/AAAAAAAABkk/n7-p4nE0eDo/s1600/base-jumping-11.jpg

For me its like a two sided sword, a person that is able to do the step over a cliff will be pretty hard to control do to fear based mechanisms, it also removes the "we take care of you" mentality that our system puts on you, but otherwise its the biggest egoistic move thats possible if you have a family and friends that love you.


Well seehas, I've been a regular skydiver, and done a few bungee jumps to boot. The thought of it being an ego driven endeavor has never even crossed my mind until now, as family and friends of any jumper I've ever known accepted that the person is following their passion, and doing what they genuinely love to do.

I've always seen skydivers as boundary breakers, free spirits that will not be caged, and there's not a group of people more fun to hang out with. Especially when it's beer time! (LOL)

Cheers,

Fred

[Rex]

I don't remember which video I saw this on (way before youtube) but it was about skydiving and base jumping, and they were interviewing some base jumpers. They were talking about how people incorrectly called it a "death wish". One of the base jumpers said, it's not a death wish, it's a life wish!

[Camilo]

Cool, kind of nuts, exiting, the ultimate rush, even a radical spiritual experience.

[naste.de.lumina]

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[BrianEn]

I don't know what to make of them other than we all tick differently. I prefer my feet firmly planted on the ground. I sure do appreciate the view from helmet cams. The guy who jumped from space is the coolest badass muther(expletive) that ever walked this planet.

[4evrneo]

If I wasnt afraid of heights, I would say sure ! But bodily reactions prevent me from going there lol. Kudo's to you that can stomach it.
This remided me of this video that I enjoy watching, very exhilarating (from the ground) ha!

Enjoy!
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@ :50 seconds it gets good :)

[naste.de.lumina]

The extreme sport in my view, is a form of; fun while you try to overcome your limits. It is not natural for you to hang on a plane to jump into the void.
Your conscious knows that. The control required to overcome the initial fear (especially in the first jumps) while the brain is required to work correctly performing a number of tasks required for the jump is successful, as a prize behind a great self confidence in yourself.
Over the jumps this feeling of fear is being replaced as the heels are becoming a routine.
Hence the desire to meet other extreme as basejumping eg for that feeling that existed before again being felt. It is these searches emotion that follows the term addiction to adrenaline.
And is not an arrogant self confidence.
It's the kind of thing you only need to prove yourself.
Then you'll know it'll be when you need

[torti]

I think this sort of stuff is amazing. I am a firm believer, when it is your time, it is your time.

Do what you love and don't be afraid, if you die on a motorcycle, or from a heart attack or whatever, the way you die does not matter, only that, that was your moment, regardless of how or why...

Wouldn't you rather die doing something you loved if you had the choice?

But in saying that... I love thrill seeking... white water rafting, bungy jumping etc... you can't beat that rush!

[Katyani]

I don't remember which video I saw this on (way before youtube) but it was about skydiving and base jumping, and they were interviewing some base jumpers. They were talking about how people incorrectly called it a "death wish". One of the base jumpers said, it's not a death wish, it's a life wish!

That was probably Thor Alex Kappfjell, who jumped the World Trade Center a couple of months before he passed away, diving off a mountain in Norway. In an interview, he said:

A lot of people imagine that my friends and I are stupid - total idiots who don't know what's best for ourselves and who don't have any respect for life. They think we have some kind of death wish. In fact, it's the total opposite. The people I know who BASE jump all love life, and because they do, they're pretty reflective about it. When you put yourself in such dangerous situations, where one mistake will kill you, it makes you think. So why do we do it? It has to do with an intense feeling of being able to face the extreme and control it, which gives enormous satisfaction.

[Fred Steeves]

In an interview, he said:


When you put yourself in such dangerous situations, where one mistake will kill you, it makes you think. So why do we do it? It has to do with an intense feeling of being able to face the extreme and control it, which gives enormous satisfaction.

Yes, he's spot on there. Reminds me of the first time I jumped a rig that had no automatic opener on it after graduating from student status. As I was heading out the door at 10,000 feet, my mind was saying basically: "This is it bro, there's no human or contraption on Earth that can save you from bouncing off that ground down there like a rubber ball, it's all you. Now go..."

There was one situation where I was forced to deploy the reserve chute in free fall, and another where I had to struggle with the main chute through 2,000 feet of altitude to get it to finally open properly, trying to avoid cutting it away and going to #2 yet again. I finally got er to fully open, but not til the last minute when the choice was about to be mandatory. Either cut away and pull the reserve, or ride it in with what you've got.

Although nobody in their right mind wants to be put in these types of situations, there is also no better way of finding out if you've got what it takes to operate properly under extreme pressure, or if you're one to fold up and panic.

Talk about getting to know thyself. :)

[seehas]

Hej Avalon Folks i would like to know what do you think about a Person that does Basejumping for fun?


For me its like a two sided sword, a person that is able to do the step over a cliff will be pretty hard to control do to fear based mechanisms, it also removes the "we take care of you" mentality that our system puts on you, but otherwise its the biggest egoistic move thats possible if you have a family and friends that love you.


Well seehas, I've been a regular skydiver, and done a few bungee jumps to boot. The thought of it being an ego driven endeavor has never even crossed my mind until now, as family and friends of any jumper I've ever known accepted that the person is following their passion, and doing what they genuinely love to do.

I've always seen skydivers as boundary breakers, free spirits that will not be caged, and there's not a group of people more fun to hang out with. Especially when it's beer time! (LOL)

Cheers,

Fred

in skydiving the statistics say u got a malfunction every 800 jumps (malfunction=main canopy not working as it should, you have to chop it off).

in base you better never get one since there is only one chute - and even when the chute opens it still could be the direction faced to the wall and not enough time to rear-riser your ass out.

thats why its a big big difference, skydiving has become a real safe sport and tourists all over the world enjoy tandem-jumps - u wont see base tandems that soon :tongue1:


YES the beer is good ! im the guy at the fridge, do you still jump? :cheers:

[naste.de.lumina]

Fortunately I never had to use the reserve parachute.
But I'm sure he was ready if needed.
The biggest danger I faced was I think the third or fourth jump I did when I was landing, far from the landing area established, a gust of wind threw me toward a road and I almost got hit by a truck. For very little canopy not curled up into the truck.
I remember thinking. Go talk to my parents that I jumped with a parachute and died hit by a truck. How so???????? Hehehe

[Fred Steeves]

in skydiving the statistics say u got a malfunction every 800 jumps (malfunction=main canopy not working as it should, you have to chop it off).

in base you better never get one since there is only one chute - and even when the chute opens it still could be the direction faced to the wall and not enough time to rear-riser your ass out.

thats why its a big big difference, skydiving has become a real safe sport and tourists all over the world enjoy tandem-jumps - u wont see base tandems that soon :tongue1::

My student instructor was a 20 year Army Ranger and Special Forces guy with 8,000+ jumps. One day I was on my way to do a jump with him, but turned back home because it looked like bad weather. That same day he did a tandem with a first timer, and nothing ever opened. They hit the ground going over 200 m.p.h., must have been a real mess. About as safe as driving to work I reckon.



YES the beer is good ! im the guy at the fridge, do you still jump? :cheers:

I see you there, and I'm coming for that frosty one way in the back corner. No I haven't jumped for some time, but it's always there...

Have you jumped?

[jagman]

I have been a thrill seeker most of my life. I have never base-jumped
but i have cliff dived, drove race cars to the limit.
been in gawd awful bar brawls. I was even caught in bed with a guys
wife once (she didn't tell me she was married)
but that's a different story. The thing is, you never feel more alive has
when your close to death. All of your senses are heightened
and it can become an addiction in itself.
:behindsofa:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45hM7iAkjk8

[naste.de.lumina]

What are the most dangerous extreme sports? Urbim by Emiliano Thais and Sant? Ana Tweet
"Life is very dangerous business," once said Guimarães Rosa. Is longer, in his spare time, the living, walking on airplanes in flight or surfing waves between the height of buildings. These activities are the 1st and 2nd places in the ranking of sports that have a higher risk of death (see Table Thrills).

Some of these hobbies are so dangerous that amount to go to war. In fact, it is an injustice: one foreign soldier in Iraq has five times more likely to be alive than who walks off the plane. 're Finding these guys crazy? Well they love what they do and as Guimarães Rosa also said: "Any love is already a bit of health, a break in the madness."


Strong emotions
Most dangerous sports for probability of death

1. Wing Walking
PRACTITIONERS: 200
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 5
What it is: move on the wings of an airplane in flight. Variations include handstands, hanging up by the teeth, move on to another plane (or car, boat, train) and jumps that opens the parachute at the last possible instant.
Why is it dangerous: the show turns suicide whenever someone violates the first law of wing walking: "Never let go of what you are holding until holding something else."

2. Big Wave Surfing
PRACTITIONERS: 1000
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 3
What it is: surfing mode in which a surfer is towed or jumps from helicopter in the middle of the ocean, where they form giant waves - 6-15 meters.
Why is it dangerous: deaths usually involve jumping helicopter poorly executed, in which the surfer falls awkwardly and is susceptible to drowning.

3. Free Style Motocross
PRACTITIONERS: 6000
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 1.8
What it is: Also known as FMX, is not a race but a diving tournament in which bikers maneuvering for a jury.
Why is it dangerous, well, helmets are made to protect the motorcycle in traffic, not pirouettes with bikes to 10 feet tall.

4. Street Luge
PRACTITIONERS: 1200
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 1.7
What it is: race downhill on a skateboard giant. The pilot, lying on his back (standard) or prone (advanced), leans to control speed and direction.
Why is it dangerous: sometimes the control is only in trying it, something dangerous 100 km / h. Cost put a brake? Even shopping has its rolimã.

5. Heli-Skiing
PRACTITIONERS: 7000
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 0.85
What it is: a helicopter takes skiers to the top of an inaccessible mountain. No lane without signaling and without knowing the terrain, he must descend skiing.
Why is dangerous: it is inelegant use self-service, but: "No clue without signaling and without knowing the terrain, he must descend skiing."

6. Base Jump
PRACTITIONERS: 12,000
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 0.83
What is, is to jump from a static point too high - buildings, antennas, bridges or mountains - using only a parachute.
Why is it dangerous: the parachute wont open - the problem is that the wind or a jump may leave the weak base jumper too close to where jumped.

7. Sky Surfing
PRACTITIONERS: 10,000
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 0.5
What it is: equal to parachuting, with the bonus that the subject has a board (smaller than surfing) attached to the feet, performing daring stunts.
Why is it dangerous: the trend is that the board is on top and he upside down, making it difficult to open the parachute.

8. Bull riding
PRACTITIONERS: 12,000
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 0.25
What is, is the biggest attraction of rodeos - the pawn must stay 8/2 on the back of the bull, known as the "8 second most dangerous sport."
Why is it dangerous: even though many think the rights of the bulls, who are at risk of death is the pawn falls and it can be trampled and gored.

9. Skydiving
PRACTITIONERS: 1000000
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 0.12
What it is: near the 8 previous follies, practically a walk in the park - jump from an airplane, spend some time enjoying the freefall, open the parachute.
Why is it dangerous: common sense tells us to jump with two parachutes, but sometimes, more precisely one in 8000 times, none of them opens.

10. RAFTING
PRACTITIONERS: 2 million
EVERY THOUSAND DEAD - 0.001
What it is: common pastime in every city that has rapids, it is down a river boat.
Why is it dangerous: in fact, it is only dangerous in the most difficult routes, the Grade 6, in which the speed of the current is very strong and in the middle of the road there are many stones.

Source: http://super.abril.com.br/esporte/quais-esportes-radicais-mais-perigosos-535987.shtml

[naste.de.lumina]

I have been a thrill seeker most of my life. I have never base-jumped
but i have cliff dived, drove race cars to the limit.
been in gawd awful bar brawls. I was even caught in bed with a guys
wife once (she didn't tell me she was married)
but that's a different story. The thing is, you never feel more alive has
when your close to death. All of your senses are heightened
and it can become an addiction in itself.
:behindsofa:

If there is a competition synonymous of insanity he is called Isle of Man TT
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[Sunny-side-up]

Never done any skydiving but must be cool each time it works. Base jumping has a whole load of variables, updraughts and the such like, much more dangerous!
The extreme past time that really makes me cringe and curl my toes is watching vids of 'Free Climbers' Look at this Madness! He has his climbing skills, staminer and no fear of heights. I guess after the first 2-3 steps it's all repetitive, but still madness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUfB3Wkq7mM

As for them 'Free climbers' on cliff faces who leap and hang under ledges on finger tip niches of just rock 0?o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrX0ohmu1zw

[Bubu]

"Hej Avalon Folks i would like to know what do you think about a Person that does Basejumping for fun?'

I think I leave them alone to their craziness as much as I want to be left alone to my craziness. Lets' have fun

I hope I answered your question to the point.

[Anchor]

OP: Hey this guy has freewill and is using it what do you think

Possible audience response: Let's pronounce a judgement on his use of freewill

Actual response: Whatever + some other crazy stories :)

Love it.

Que sera sera.

[seehas]

in skydiving the statistics say u got a malfunction every 800 jumps (malfunction=main canopy not working as it should, you have to chop it off).

in base you better never get one since there is only one chute - and even when the chute opens it still could be the direction faced to the wall and not enough time to rear-riser your ass out.

thats why its a big big difference, skydiving has become a real safe sport and tourists all over the world enjoy tandem-jumps - u wont see base tandems that soon :tongue1::

My student instructor was a 20 year Army Ranger and Special Forces guy with 8,000+ jumps. One day I was on my way to do a jump with him, but turned back home because it looked like bad weather. That same day he did a tandem with a first timer, and nothing ever opened. They hit the ground going over 200 m.p.h., must have been a real mess. About as safe as driving to work I reckon.



YES the beer is good ! im the guy at the fridge, do you still jump? :cheers:

I see you there, and I'm coming for that frosty one way in the back corner. No I haven't jumped for some time, but it's always there...

Have you jumped?

yes im also jumping, started 6 years ago but didnt do that many jumps in that time, now just kicked out nearly 100 in one year pushing it on :p, i realy would love to do base one day but i need more experience special on my brand new 7cell.

hej and in that top10 of most dangerous sports there is something missing - "speedflying" pretty new sport and it was called to be the mainstream sport for the future 10 years ago, many professionals died past these years and its not realy safer than base at all.

[Fred Steeves]

Have you jumped?


yes im also jumping, started 6 years ago but didnt do that many jumps in that time, now just kicked out nearly 100 in one year pushing it on :p, i realy would love to do base one day but i need more experience special on my brand new 7cell.[QUOTE]

Gotchya, I had a feeling when you mentioned the rear riser move. Not an every day term. Now maybe I'm just missing something here (LOL), but at a 100 or so jumps yourself, and wanting to base jump, why the comment below in your opening post?

[QUOTE=seehas;694176]but otherwise its the biggest egoistic move thats possible if you have a family and friends that love you.


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[seehas]

Have you jumped?


yes im also jumping, started 6 years ago but didnt do that many jumps in that time, now just kicked out nearly 100 in one year pushing it on :p, i realy would love to do base one day but i need more experience special on my brand new 7cell.[QUOTE]

Gotchya, I had a feeling when you mentioned the rear riser move. Not an every day term. Now maybe I'm just missing something here (LOL), but at a 100 or so jumps yourself, and wanting to base jump, why the comment below in your opening post?

[QUOTE=seehas;694176]but otherwise its the biggest egoistic move thats possible if you have a family and friends that love you.


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what do you mean? sorry dont understand it :)

[Fred Steeves]

what do you mean? sorry dont understand it :)

Well, for almost this whole thread I was thinking you were a person who had never jumped, mainly because of your comment about it being very ego based if one had family and/or friends, because of the needless danger. Then I saw you had 100 or so jumps, and also want to base jump to boot. So that got me wondering "just what is he getting at then?"

[seehas]

what do you mean? sorry dont understand it :)

Well, for almost this whole thread I was thinking you were a person who had never jumped, mainly because of your comment about it being very ego based if one had family and/or friends, because of the needless danger. Then I saw you had 100 or so jumps, and also want to base jump to boot. So that got me wondering "just what is he getting at then?"

no there u got me wrong i dont start tomorrow i dont feel ready yet :) and yes for me its very egoistic if i had kids i would never do it.

was just curious how avalon openminded people think about this topic.

[naste.de.lumina]

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[Hughe]

A former skydiver here. ;)

[jack]

Thank you Sehas! I just went and booked two skydiving tickets :D

[mahalall]

To observe the sensation from the edge of flight with the insight of it's impermanence is the mark of ones wisdom.

I nearly crapped myself when I first jumped, a lot to learn.

[seehas]

Thank you Sehas! I just went and booked two skydiving tickets :D

great tell us about your experience when you did it :)

[jack]

Thank you Sehas! I just went and booked two skydiving tickets :D

great tell us about your experience when you did it :)

Will do :)

My brother was quite taken aback when I told him I booked him a ticket as well ;)

[Carmody]

I don't know what to make of them other than we all tick differently. I prefer my feet firmly planted on the ground. I sure do appreciate the view from helmet cams. The guy who jumped from space is the coolest badass muther(expletive) that ever walked this planet.

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[Carmody]

All the folks here...are risk takers.

Screwing with the elitist desire for a world they control.

What's a little risk of death - for a open, advancing world... of freedom and peace?

[shadowstalker]

Kids or not if one enjoys doing what they do, then do it. and if one dies doing it then so be it. better to die happy then to die miserable.

Teaching children to follow there dreams and not be held back by fear/negativity and to be loving and forgiving in the process is the best thing parents can teach there children.

If you wish to try this jumping thing then do it.
It's not egoistic to be who one is and still be aware of the dangers that may come.

There is more danger in driving to work everyday then what you are contemplating.
That according to the stats shown in this thread proves it.

[Octavusprime]

Free climbing is intense. This is the best of the best, a young lad from California.

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[Nothingness]

I'm all for it. It doesn't pollute and my guess is your chances are better than driving a car.

I got my clearance for sky diving in Alaska some years ago because the US Olympic team spent their summers up there, and I learned from them. Some skydivers were ex-mountain climbers because they had bad knees from climbing, and so they chose skydiving as a substitute--safer, too. The tundra was soft to land on, but it was wet, so everyone usually had wet bottoms.

To me Basejumping is like flying, and how wonderful would that be--but I don't skydive any more. Maybe you have to have been a bird in a former life to enjoy it.

Years ago I used to dream about Basejumping in the Swiss Alps before any one came up with it. Maybe it was a shared dream.

[Carmody]

For those who love basejumping, sky diving, any of that adrenaline inducing stuff: Astral Projection puts them all to shame on a level which cannot be compared. Not possible to compare.

This is probably where the urge comes from. Memories. Deep memories.

[seehas]

Thank you Sehas! I just went and booked two skydiving tickets :D

how was it? :)