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johnf
26th June 2013, 23:21
A friend of mine who was a spiritual mentor to me once asked me the following.
What if all of a sudden, everyone everywhere could read everyones mind perfectly.
You would be walking past someone on the street, and you would have a thought like, what an a******.
Then you would see that fellows thoughts as he sees your judgement, as well as any judgements he has of you.
My friends conclusion was what a bummer.
Mine was, wow, how many of us would survive that.
Now with the internet being rather wisespread for at least 15 years, and participation on this forum for a couple, (more time on other forums before this), years, my thought experiment has become, what if we are using the internet to prepare for the day when many will be ready to participate in the mass telepathy experiment.
How long does it take me to see past my arguing, my judgements , my attempts to disprove, and counter. And to instead see the other being and respond quickly with a response that helps them to the next level of acceptance of themselves and the world as it is unfolding that day.
It is after the internet, and I can just read, and not reply until I have reached a non judgemental place before I hit the post button. Don't allways, but it is as I say a training process.
I hope the telepathy thing doesn't happen today, I don't thing I would be up to it.
Perhaps sometime next week.
jf
naste.de.lumina
26th June 2013, 23:45
I've thought about it a few times.
The internet is so far the closest we have to broadcast thoughts. The speed of a click you put into the world (part of it (group, forum, face, etc.) as a focus) not exactly your real thoughts but at least one facet of it.
Auto control of the mind will be needed to reach this stage, otherwise, not be left one stone upon another.
Great topic.
Hug.
Bubu
26th June 2013, 23:46
Mind control or mod control is a nearer possibility than telepathy. If your computer is equipped with electronics that could emit the proper electromagnetic waves then that's it. I have been examining my pc's motherboard since I became aware of mind control. And if it's not too obvious for some people, pc can be manipulated by a hacker from anywhere:eek:
johnf
27th June 2013, 00:05
The workings of computers, software, the process of programming etc, make scary good
analogies for the mind, emotions, body, and spirit.
My interest here is primarily the process of watching what comes up in myself when reading others posts, and responses, and how there is a learning process there that is part of my overall growth.
If I am getting emotional about a topic, post, etc, can I see what part of myself is threatened, and refrain form fixing another till I have calmed down my own reactions.
jf
dpwishy
27th June 2013, 00:07
In my opinion, I think you got it backwards. I think because we lost the ability to communicate telepathically (which we could), we subconsciously manifested a way to do it artificially. Technology is just an external representation of something we could already do but forgot how to. I think this is the trap that is technology. It slowly strips us of our birthrights and substitutes them for artificial means. Over time we completely forget that would could do it and are dependent on the technology.
johnf
27th June 2013, 00:23
I think you got it backwards. I think because we lost the ability to communicate telepathically (which we could), we subconsciously manifested a way to do it artificially. Technology is just an external representation of something we could already do but forgot how to. I think this is the trap that is technology. It slowly strips us of our birthrights and substitutes them for artificial means.
I think that there are many things people are doing with technology, and I most emphatically am not saying that telepathy will come about because of it. Or that we have not been there in the past.
What I am saying is that I believe telepathy is coming around again, and that the more attention we put on where our thoughts and reactions are coming from, the more prepared we will be for telepathy or any other psychic phenomena.
Participation in forums can be an intense form of human interaction, and is only an extension of the face to face interactions we have in everyday life.
Also, I am trying to see if there are others that have seen their process on forums etc as a tool for growth.
jf
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 00:24
One detail. Theoretically be able to read the thoughts of another person, we have to somehow identify exactly at what point it is fully formed. Otherwise we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming. So the question is. Can we somehow get to a definition of when this process is complete and thus can be read?
william r sanford72
27th June 2013, 00:28
could be a dormant latent ability already in place waiting to kick back on again.internet could be a set of many triggers on the road to use it again.telepathy.reteaching us.
jagman
27th June 2013, 00:33
I really don't want someone inside my head. It's my last refuge for gawd sake.lol
:wave:
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 00:34
Or reading to be the vibration of feelings. Or a mixture of both mind and emotions.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 00:37
I say this because in one of the interviews the project Camelot. the sergeant Clifford Stone describing his contact with a Gray says clearly that it (the gray) could feel it was fear and other emotions from Sgt. And vice versa.
johnf
27th June 2013, 00:39
One detail. Theoretically be able to read the thoughts of another person, we have to somehow identify exactly at what point it is fully formed. Otherwise we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming. So the question is. Can we somehow get to a definition of when this process is complete and thus can be read?
I am talking about the earliest point you would become aware of anothers internal process.
But really the telepathy part is just a thought experiment, and I consider the reading of ones own mind to the most important tool anyone has ever had.
And it is a prerequisite for having a really helpfull interaction.
The comment by Naste.de.lumina about autocontrol is really the sort of thing I am talking about.
Nature's comment is interesting because it talks about moderation, and the possibility of hacking.
I am understanding the autocontrol as being our own mod, and I am talking about experiences with that loop mostly.
If we do that right I think we will be debugging our own thoughts as we go ,and also scanning them for possible intrusions.
jf
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 00:41
I really don't want someone inside my head. It's my last refuge for gawd sake.lol
:wave:
Perhaps the warrior of the future that is able to block readings of his thought.
johnf
27th June 2013, 00:41
could be a dormant latent ability already in place waiting to kick back on again.internet could be a set of many triggers on the road to use it again.telepathy.reteaching us.
I didn't get very far with my python studies, and dot notation, but thank you, that was a mini mind blower.
jf
ThresholdRising
27th June 2013, 00:43
I believe that there there is a chance that this is possible. Maybe all technology is leading up to this. Even the fact that the PTB have such a big spy network and also monitor so much of our lives these days as this gives us fear of being listened into or watched or thoughts beeen read making us fear of everything tangental to telepathy. If this were to happen I do believe that you have to be open, loving and willing to give your life to the world while simultaneously embracing others lovingly.
Just take it for granted that your being watched and listened into and love it anyway making us one step closer to that moment.
Thanks for the gr8 post.;)
johnf
27th June 2013, 00:45
Another thing that makes this analogy come up a lot lately, for me, is the continuing rise of the
surveillance age.
More and more people are not only watching them watching back, but the responsibility we have of monitoring the monitors is becoming more apparent.
I hope that doesn't complicate the subject too much.
jf
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 00:45
One detail. Theoretically be able to read the thoughts of another person, we have to somehow identify exactly at what point it is fully formed. Otherwise we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming. So the question is. Can we somehow get to a definition of when this process is complete and thus can be read?
I am talking about the earliest point you would become aware of anothers internal process.
But really the telepathy part is just a thought experiment, and I consider the reading of ones own mind to the most important tool anyone has ever had.
And it is a prerequisite for having a really helpfull interaction.
The comment by Naste.de.lumina about autocontrol is really the sort of thing I am talking about.
Nature's comment is interesting because it talks about moderation, and the possibility of hacking.
I am understanding the autocontrol as being our own mod, and I am talking about experiences with that loop mostly.
If we do that right I think we will be debugging our own thoughts as we go ,and also scanning them for possible intrusions.
jf
Sorry, as you can see my mind is going a million per hour when it comes to this matter. It also shows that need a lot of mental training in self control. hehehe
Now I understand the focus you want to give this subject.
johnf
27th June 2013, 00:47
I believe that there there is a chance that this is possible. Maybe all technology is leading up to this. Even the fact that the PTB have such a big spy network and also monitor so much of our lives these days as this gives us fear of being listened into or watched or thoughts beeen read making us fear of everything tangental to telepathy. If this were to happen I do believe that you have to be open, loving and willing to give your life to the world while simultaneously embracing others lovingly.
Just take it for granted that your being watched and listened into and love it anyway making us one step closer to that moment.
Thanks for the gr8 post.;)
That was a lil spooky as we were both posting about the spying aspect at the same time.
:eek:
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 01:00
One detail. Theoretically be able to read the thoughts of another person, we have to somehow identify exactly at what point it is fully formed. Otherwise we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming. So the question is. Can we somehow get to a definition of when this process is complete and thus can be read?
I am talking about the earliest point you would become aware of anothers internal process.
But really the telepathy part is just a thought experiment, and I consider the reading of ones own mind to the most important tool anyone has ever had.
And it is a prerequisite for having a really helpfull interaction.
The comment by Naste.de.lumina about autocontrol is really the sort of thing I am talking about.
Nature's comment is interesting because it talks about moderation, and the possibility of hacking.
I am understanding the autocontrol as being our own mod, and I am talking about experiences with that loop mostly.
If we do that right I think we will be debugging our own thoughts as we go ,and also scanning them for possible intrusions.
jf
Looking at the present time, it is quite likely that our first real experiences with mental perception is actually against the invasion of our brain.
Who owns the research in this field that I know are the governments and their secret projects.
We do not know if they are not already using these resources. That may be so. Who can deny with certainty when we have no idea how we would feel to have invaded our brain?
Lefty Dave
27th June 2013, 01:11
I'm thinking this would be an upgrade for humanity...we would quickly lose our false bravado...we would lose the 'mask' most of us wear in the presence of others....maybe our ego.One thing is certain...there would be no more secrets...all would know ones true feelings, opinions, etc....my feeling is telepathy would be a good thing...but it deserves more thought...thanks for the thread..blessings.
johnf
27th June 2013, 01:16
One detail. Theoretically be able to read the thoughts of another person, we have to somehow identify exactly at what point it is fully formed. Otherwise we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming. So the question is. Can we somehow get to a definition of when this process is complete and thus can be read?
I am talking about the earliest point you would become aware of anothers internal process.
But really the telepathy part is just a thought experiment, and I consider the reading of ones own mind to the most important tool anyone has ever had.
And it is a prerequisite for having a really helpfull interaction.
The comment by Naste.de.lumina about autocontrol is really the sort of thing I am talking about.
Nature's comment is interesting because it talks about moderation, and the possibility of hacking.
I am understanding the autocontrol as being our own mod, and I am talking about experiences with that loop mostly.
If we do that right I think we will be debugging our own thoughts as we go ,and also scanning them for possible intrusions.
jf
Looking at the present time, it is quite likely that our first real experiences with mental perception is actually against the invasion of our brain.
Who owns the research in this field that I know are the governments and their secret projects.
We do not know if they are not already using these resources. That may be so. Who can deny with certainty when we have no idea how we would feel to have invaded our brain?
Well, I have had numerous experiences of having foreign energies in my mind.
I have had the experience lately of going from seeing something as an invasion in my mind to looking more directly at my own emotions.
I think that the exagerated sense of self that is common in modern society, comes from accepting others thoughts or ideas, or habits as inherently superior to our own.
As one teacher puts it,(Bentinho Massaro) is this thought of self something you made up as a baby? Or was it maybe borrowed from others around you?
Like, when exactly did I decide to do as the romans?
That theoretical moment might be the proverbial backdoor to my soul computer.
So, if I bring the focus back to myself, and my own processes, maybe mind control becomes a non issue.
jf
lakewatcher
27th June 2013, 01:19
could be a dormant latent ability already in place waiting to kick back on again.internet could be a set of many triggers on the road to use it again.telepathy.reteaching us.
Anybody familiar with Robert Heinlein's story "Lost Legacy"?
RunningDeer
27th June 2013, 01:23
It’s my belief that it is natural for us to see, hear, sense, smell, know. Technology’s created to deaden it. But because of who we are, we creatively adapt by dovetailing technology and the natural tools. As we grow in confidence, our abilities are rekindled.
Often, I’ll receive confirmations of my thoughts through other’s posts. By that I mean, I’ll put out a question to Higher Self and Helpers. Usually, I’ll receive an answer before I finish the sentence. Then doubt kicks in and I ask for further ‘proof’. I’ll see it here and other places within hours or minutes. Why? Because I believe. I know.
It’s not anything special. It’s because we live in times that fosters it. We only need to be aware of what we tell ourselves. Imagination works for and/or against. Free choice. Be vigilant. Watch words that create road blocks and barriers to what’s there waiting to be tapped and explored and used.
You are not who you were, when you woke up this morning.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 01:23
Well, I have had numerous experiences of having foreign energies in my mind.
I have had the experience lately of going from seeing something as an invasion in my mind to looking more directly at my own emotions.
I think that the exagerated sense of self that is common in modern society, comes from accepting others thoughts or ideas, or habits as inherently superior to our own.
As one teacher puts it,(Bentinho Massaro) is this thought of self something you made up as a baby? Or was it maybe borrowed from others around you?
Like, when exactly did I decide to do as the romans?
That theoretical moment might be the proverbial backdoor to my soul computer.
So, if I bring the focus back to myself, and my own processes, maybe mind control becomes a non issue.
jf
I agree with that.
What I meant is to realize when there is a willful and premeditated invasion to collect his thoughts somehow.
How to distinguish what you said to feel like a form of induction to the form collection.
At least I do not know how to differentiate. Anyway, able to control their thoughts and emotions, can solve the problem of both.
So I hope.
and what is stored in the subconscious?
johnf
27th June 2013, 01:26
I'm thinking this would be an upgrade for humanity...we would quickly lose our false bravado...we would lose the 'mask' most of us wear in the presence of others....maybe our ego.One thing is certain...there would be no more secrets...all would know ones true feelings, opinions, etc....my feeling is telepathy would be a good thing...but it deserves more thought...thanks for the thread..blessings.
Our reactions to the thought experiment in the op, were very similar.
I think, when we become ready it will be amazing.
And we are not there yet.
What if this is the big looming event on our horizon?
And instead of a collision with dark entities, human or otherwise, we are heading towards an inner reunion with ourselves.
Again there are mythologies out there about ascension, blink of an eye etc, but what if we are in the middle of a step in a bigger step by step process?
jf
RunningDeer
27th June 2013, 01:37
Or reading to be the vibration of feelings. Or a mixture of both mind and emotions.
We do that already. A few quick examples:
You step into a room where two people have been fighting. Even though they've got big cheery smiles, you know.
One quick look at your distressed mate or child, you know.
You think of someone and you’ll get a call. Now my question is, “Did I send a vibe that says, ET phone home? Or did they?”
There are people you love to be around because of their infectious energy. There are others that you can’t get away fast enough. Energy drainers.
johnf
27th June 2013, 01:40
Watching this video recently helped inspire this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dibSZ1JNTGs
My present experience is, every interaction I have is an opportunity to follow the pointers back to
myself, if there is some false self thought in the way, I can look at it directly and thoroghly , maybe even break through to more of my soul than I am previously contacting.
Then come back to you with a response that you can use to lead you back to more of your own
soul, or real self.
Simple, not easy eh?
jf
johnf
27th June 2013, 01:52
could be a dormant latent ability already in place waiting to kick back on again.internet could be a set of many triggers on the road to use it again.telepathy.reteaching us.
Anybody familiar with Robert Heinlein's story "Lost Legacy"?
Nope I looked it up, it has ESP, and brain surgery in it?
Go on?
jf
johnf
27th June 2013, 01:57
Or reading to be the vibration of feelings. Or a mixture of both mind and emotions.
We do that already. A few quick examples:
You step into a room where two people have been fighting. Even though they've got big cheery smiles, you know.
One quick look at your distressed mate or child, you know.
You think of someone and you’ll get a call. Now my question is, “Did I send a vibe that says, ET phone home? Or did they?”
There are people you love to be around because of their infectious energy. There are others that you can’t get away fast enough. Energy drainers.
Awesome points in your last two posts Paula, I have bumped into these things over the decades, and they seem to be happening more frequently, more consciously recently.
I feel an urgency sometimes, but when I use certain tools, I feel it is all happening perfectly.
jf
william r sanford72
27th June 2013, 02:09
i take a more natural view somewhat based on beeing a former bee keeper. latent genes that are dormant in honey bees..they get triggerd by chemicals...vibration etc.hive mind leaves bad taste ..50.000 bees working in tandem for one purpose is astounding to me.it never gets old.all based on pre programed info passed through a egg...the queen.for generations.so what says we dont have dormant genes that just need to be triggerd.so forth.sorry i like to super focus when i feel a trigger.thats when the mini mind blowers come in to play.short sweet to the point.dont over think...go in ward.like johnf posted.why the bees came to mind.i get to view hyper evolution as it progresses over and over.cool thread.
RunningDeer
27th June 2013, 02:21
I really don't want someone inside my head. It's my last refuge for gawd sake.lol
:wave:
Perhaps the warrior of the future that is able to block readings of his thought.
Why wait for the future? Why not be the Warrior now? One way to block thoughts is to have none.
Also, one technique I learned in 1990, from Stuart Wilde’s “Warrior Wisdom 5 day Intensive” was to hold an idea and through the “natural power that you are” shoot it into their lower spine and watch (third eye seeing) it’s energy travel up into the brain. I’ve forgotten which hemisphere. If I were to use this technique today, I’d use both hemispheres because that’s where we are heading, namely, a merge and balance whole brain activity.
The technique’s a combination of visualization and ‘chi energy’. It was an experiential exercise, but we also understood the ethics and accountability. The point was the demonstration of energy, not to control. The exercises were designed to experience beyond the ordinary world.
The theory: it bumps out their thoughts and your thought are replaced. This technique is also covered in either his book called, “The Force” or “The Quickening”. (pretty sure, it’s been 20+ years now.)
For the record, I have no need to control others. I continue to refine who I am. Energy comes from within. And building chi through right life style increases internal spirit/light and awareness of Truth and balance of mind, body, spirit.
I say, ‘keep it simple’. You don’t need all that hoopla like back in the 1990’s. We’ve all experienced when you stand by someone, the auras touch and/or they merge. We are “phoning one another”. Energy exchange translates into feelings, into words, into inner knowing, etc.
RunningDeer
27th June 2013, 02:43
Or reading to be the vibration of feelings. Or a mixture of both mind and emotions.
We do that already. A few quick examples:
You step into a room where two people have been fighting. Even though they've got big cheery smiles, you know.
One quick look at your distressed mate or child, you know.
You think of someone and you’ll get a call. Now my question is, “Did I send a vibe that says, ET phone home? Or did they?”
There are people you love to be around because of their infectious energy. There are others that you can’t get away fast enough. Energy drainers.
Awesome points in your last two posts Paula, I have bumped into these things over the decades, and they seem to be happening more frequently, more consciously recently.
I feel an urgency sometimes, but when I use certain tools, I feel it is all happening perfectly.
jf
Hi JohnF,
More on tools...
We all have these tools in varying degrees. In fact, most use them automatically; recognition and practice enhances them. This ‘upgrade’ is waiting to be re-discovered. What’s the secret to full recognition of innate abilities? Awareness. Which is not so secret, is it?
I listen for when it's time to step away from everything. Inner knowing whispers it’s time: to process, to reframe an assumption, or trash outmoded beliefs, feelings and emotions. Ideally, my goal is process as it’s happening. Also, the time between process and clarity has quickened, in part because of willingness to be brutally honest with myself.
The goal is chuck the garbage that anchors me to 3D illusionary play. A side benefit? Emergence of subtle refinement of the tools. Here's a list of some tools to research.
claircognizance via knowingness
clairvoyance via visual
clairsentience via feelings
clairgustance via taste
clairaudience via sound
clairscent via smell
clairtangency via touch
spiritguide
27th June 2013, 02:54
Question posed with a different perspective,,,, Are others sharing their thoughts with us once we clean out the clutter that fogs our receptors? Non-verbal communication has always been and awareness of this is what is happening. We are radio stations that transmit 24/7 and we are just learning how to tune in our receivers. The frequency of respect and love get a very good signal. FM radio station WIIFM (what's in it for me) has poor reception.
Peace!
lakewatcher
27th June 2013, 03:13
could be a dormant latent ability already in place waiting to kick back on again.internet could be a set of many triggers on the road to use it again.telepathy.reteaching us.
Anybody familiar with Robert Heinlein's story "Lost Legacy"?
Nope I looked it up, it has ESP, and brain surgery in it?
Go on?
jf
No brain surgery involved. Perhaps you are thinking of Heinlein's novel "I Will Fear No Evil", which involves a brain transplant.
Here is a synopsis from Wikipedia of "Lost Legacy":
Lost Legacy (1941) is a novella (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novella) by science fiction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction) writer Robert A. Heinlein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein). Originally published in the November, 1941 issue of Super Science Stories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Science_Stories), it was collected in the book Assignment in Eternity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assignment_in_Eternity) (1953).
The novella is an exploration of the possibilities that humans, with the proper training, have the potential to make use of a wide range of telepathic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathic) and telekinetic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telekinetic) abilities. It is based on the presumption that most, if not all, humans have innate psychic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic) abilities, but simply don't know it and therefore do not make use of them. This ignorance is encouraged by a mysterious and powerful cabal which benefits from keeping people unaware of their abilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Legacy
One of my favorite Heinlein stories. It seems to me that it was spot on the subject you raised, and especially william r sanford72's take on it. Last time I read the story was about 30 yrs ago, and I've noticed it's kind of hard to find now. I'm not surprised, since it blows the whistle on the elite PTB pretty explicitly.
I think the story is well worth your time, if you like SF, and if you can find a copy of it.
spiritguide
27th June 2013, 03:38
The book Assignment in Eternity can be found at amazon.com . The hard cover version is pricy but paperback and used are affordable.
Peace!
Mad Hatter
27th June 2013, 05:10
we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming.
Which if being read by others as it happens could be of assistance in identifying any mis-step in that reasoning and subsequent feedback would allow the opportunity for adjustment. Whether or not such a process would be beneficial is to my mind highly questionable as I am not, nor ever will be, a fan of the hive mind concept.
As someone pointed out there would be no secrets. I wonder if those who think that is a good idea have thoroughly thought through the implications of that being so. After all, are you really sure it such a great idea that everyone knows the instant granny splits her incontinence pants... :p
Extrapolating that line of thought, emotions also being thought forms, if this where to all of a sudden be switched on en mass, who is really up for dealing with whatever pain 7 billion individuals happen to be suffering all in that one instant??
TBH I think we have a few other problems to address before going anywhere near contemplating playing with such a thing.
ThresholdRising
27th June 2013, 07:08
One detail. Theoretically be able to read the thoughts of another person, we have to somehow identify exactly at what point it is fully formed. Otherwise we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming. So the question is. Can we somehow get to a definition of when this process is complete and thus can be read?
Not, necessarily so. I believe the intention or belief in it can be sufficient enough to pick up on thoughts or images of another person, of course this is'nt reading it out of their mind, only through field interpretaion. The thing is the image or words are part of something greater so specific context could be very important. Of course I could be percieving or thinking what your percieving or thinking in a different way.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 07:12
Or reading to be the vibration of feelings. Or a mixture of both mind and emotions.
We do that already. A few quick examples:
You step into a room where two people have been fighting. Even though they've got big cheery smiles, you know.
One quick look at your distressed mate or child, you know.
You think of someone and you’ll get a call. Now my question is, “Did I send a vibe that says, ET phone home? Or did they?”
There are people you love to be around because of their infectious energy. There are others that you can’t get away fast enough. Energy drainers.
I agree in part with you in these examples you cited Paula.
Because the physical contact with the person, even though not realize it, many of the impressions we receive them are the origins of body language.
The look, the eyebrow franzer, small movements of facial muscles give us a great frame of perception of emotion. Even though we are not always aware of these details. There may also be a mixture of feeling the vibration coupled with visual perception.
In cases of think of someone and receive a call or before the first contact with a stranger and feel the need to move away or not, these examples I agree.
Grateful for clarification.
Kraut
27th June 2013, 07:22
All I need to do is take a look at the many youtube commenter flame wars to know that we really don't want world wide telepathy right now. People need to learn to be self reflective again and to be honest with themselves. Nowadays many tend to be fault finding and look for the bad in others but completely ignore their own feelings and thought processes. If all of that were to be completely open most would be incensed at what others think about them but never waste a moment realizing that they themselves might be even worse inside.
What worries me a bit is the possibility of modern or secret technology to interfere or at least monitor my thought processes and mind, that would be way out of bounds.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 07:26
One detail. Theoretically be able to read the thoughts of another person, we have to somehow identify exactly at what point it is fully formed. Otherwise we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming. So the question is. Can we somehow get to a definition of when this process is complete and thus can be read?
Not, necessarily so. I believe the intention or belief in it can be sufficient enough to pick up on thoughts or images of another person, of course this is'nt reading it out of their mind, only through field interpretaion. The thing is the image or words are part of something greater so specific context could be very important. Of course I could be percieving or thinking what your percieving or thinking in a different way.
If we agree that the reading will be performed by raising vibrations and frequencies of energy so in theory we should be able to distinguish clearly the same information without subterfuge. That is, all would understand exactly the same way.
Unless receptors indivuduais decoding are different between individuals and each interpretari so that energy of a different form.
So we're back where we are today, because we would be interpreting the information based on the current beliefs.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 07:33
All I need to do is take a look at the many youtube commenter flame wars to know that we really don't want world wide telepathy right now. People need to learn to be self reflective again and to be honest with themselves. Nowadays many tend to be fault finding and look for the bad in others but completely ignore their own feelings and thought processes. If all of that were to be completely open most would be incensed at what others think about them but never waste a moment realizing that they themselves might be even worse inside.
What worries me a bit is the possibility of modern or secret technology to interfere or at least monitor my thought processes and mind, that would be way out of bounds.
What somehow already occurs at induction beliefs through media mind control.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 07:49
we would be reading pieces of reasoning forming.
Which if being read by others as it happens could be of assistance in identifying any mis-step in that reasoning and subsequent feedback would allow the opportunity for adjustment. Whether or not such a process would be beneficial is to my mind highly questionable as I am not, nor ever will be, a fan of the hive mind concept.
As someone pointed out there would be no secrets. I wonder if those who think that is a good idea have thoroughly thought through the implications of that being so. After all, are you really sure it such a great idea that everyone knows the instant granny splits her incontinence pants... :p
Extrapolating that line of thought, emotions also being thought forms, if this where to all of a sudden be switched on en mass, who is really up for dealing with whatever pain 7 billion individuals happen to be suffering all in that one instant??
TBH I think we have a few other problems to address before going anywhere near contemplating playing with such a thing.
Try to imagine the possibility of being consciously connected emotions of 7 billion people in itself is a huge challenge.
Many politicians would not dare to apply I think. :lie:
Kraut
27th June 2013, 07:56
What somehow already occurs at induction beliefs through media mind control.
Yes, which is bad enough, but once we become aware we can be watchful and work against such mind control. What I mean is more "invasive" forms, more direct.
Kraut
27th June 2013, 08:00
Try to imagine the possibility of being consciously connected emotions of 7 billion people in itself is a huge challenge.
Many politicians would not dare to apply I think. :lie:
Dealing with what's going on in my own head and my own emotions is bad enough already. All people connected? :faint2:
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 08:05
What somehow already occurs at induction beliefs through media mind control.
Yes, which is bad enough, but once we become aware we can be watchful and work against such mind control. What I mean is more "invasive" forms, more direct.
What I think the cabal is trying to do now with this total surveillance of our information and internet discussions.
Through its algorithms and large amount of data, try to visualize our future actions.
My concern is they get a way to achieve this goal without the need to use data from the internet and other means of generating information.
Ie, able to read directly from the individual minds of the people.
The implanted micro chip may well be the beginning of this attempt.
Bubu
27th June 2013, 08:36
People cannot even do mental telepathy with head side by side. If computer is able to facilitate telepathy between to heads miles apart then that makes the computer more intelligent than human. By that time robots rule the world. Just another diversionary crap.:confused:
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 08:43
People cannot even do mental telepathy with head side by side. If computer is able to facilitate telepathy between to heads miles apart then that makes the computer more intelligent than human. By that time robots rule the world. Just another diversionary crap.:confused:
Time to build a universal remote control reset for robots.
ResistETIntervention
27th June 2013, 08:44
Human beings are quite well aware of the physical environment. However, majority of us are not really aware of the mental environment, the environment of thought and mental influence. Yet, becoming aware of the mental environment is necessary now with foreign forces from outer space here to conquer our world covertly. We must contend with these extraterrestrials that do not share language with us. Moreover, we must realize that these technologically advanced ETs also possess sophisticated skills to manipulate thought in the mental environment. Thus, it is imperative that human beings become aware of the mental environment and learn to become skilled in it in order to counteract the ETs' manipulations and thwart their agenda here. Development in the mental environment, however, should not occur instantly, for it would be too much of stimulation for those who have not gained the capacity to handle it.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 09:35
Question posed with a different perspective,,,, Are others sharing their thoughts with us once we clean out the clutter that fogs our receptors? Non-verbal communication has always been and awareness of this is what is happening. We are radio stations that transmit 24/7 and we are just learning how to tune in our receivers. The frequency of respect and love get a very good signal. FM radio station WIIFM (what's in it for me) has poor reception.
Peace!
Hello friend.
I agree with you that we have a receiving antenna (pineal gland).
You put an interesting point that I've been wondering for quite some time.
This tuner (frequencies) personnel could be just our emotions?
Explain.
When we are angry for example, the influence of this emotion would have an effect on the electromagnetic vibrations in our brain and consequently in the pineal gland, thus acting as a tuner and becoming receptive the electric waves of the same frequency and vibration (anger) around us. Then these waves of anger that we raised in our environment contributes to stay brooding thoughts invariably this emotion.
As we calmed down, the feeling will decrease which provides change our tune antenna and consequently attracting other energies of thought / way.
Does it make sense?
hug.
Bubu
27th June 2013, 09:35
On second thought i think it is a brilliant idea, my hands will be free to do other things instead of clicking the mouse.
Where can I buy a computer that can read my mind?
johnf
27th June 2013, 09:36
It is interesting where this thread went.
also it has taken me half a day to settle down into
what i was really trying to express here, and where the OP question took me.
The goal I saw in my friends question was to see that I have fear of intimacy.
That is what is behind my judgements, my compulsive corrections of others.
Most of the time I find these things boring it is hard to get to them, but that question
kind of raised the stakes ,made things seem more intense by considering the possibility
that others could know what is going on inside me before I did.
If I beat them to the punch this would not be a problem.
I judge me maybe worse than I judge others, and judgeing them is an imaginary escape from this personal hell.
The issues with what others are saying on the internet, and the media, are not external ones, but internal ones.
and this is over my head as far as anything practical goes, but others thoughts, the external threats I have reacted to on this forum ,are all inside of me anyway.
I started this thread to see if I could get a little closer to where I really am on that scale.
I am afraid of going within, even though that has been the major thrust of my life, and it is okay
practice makes better.
jf
Sérénité
27th June 2013, 09:47
I think if we spent more time looking into each others eyes, tried to understand and feel the other person, not judging, just connecting, we would all be a step closer to telepathy instantly.
Words just get in the way.
Kraut
27th June 2013, 09:51
It is interesting where this thread went.
also it has taken me half a day to settle down into
what i was really trying to express here, and where the OP question took me.
The goal I saw in my friends question was to see that I have fear of intimacy.
That is what is behind my judgements, my compulsive corrections of others.
Most of the time I find these things boring it is hard to get to them, but that question
kind of raised the stakes ,made things seem more intense by considering the possibility
that others could know what is going on inside me before I did.
If I beat them to the punch this would not be a problem.
I judge me maybe worse than I judge others, and judgeing them is an imaginary escape from this personal hell.
The issues with what others are saying on the internet, and the media, are not external ones, but internal ones.
and this is over my head as far as anything practical goes, but others thoughts, the external threats I have reacted to on this forum ,are all inside of me anyway.
I started this thread to see if I could get a little closer to where I really am on that scale.
I am afraid of going within, even though that has been the major thrust of my life, and it is okay
practice makes better.
jf
Johnf, I know what you mean. Almost all of my life I have been my worst enemy and harshest critic. Often I would see myself in a way that others never would, but thought they saw me the same way. Right now I am going within every day very much. It is an intense process and sometimes gut wrenching. But the good in us is also within. Judging ourselves is a mistake. We have to embrace the good, then confront what needs to be changed but also understand where the dark sides in us come from. We have to own them, but often they are not really our fault. Conditioning starts early and is often a major factor for the dark within, the tendency to judge. It seems that almost all of our personal issues could be solved "simply" by loving ourselves fully. Which is easier said than done. And if we don't accept ourselves the way we are now, others won't either. We deserve to be accepted and loved, right here, right now. But we have to start ourselves.
I don't really fear intimacy, I embrace it. But in my opinion others have to prove they are worthy of that intimacy. Many aren't, which is a sad fact.
What I wonder is, let's say we live in a society that is telepathic. It's an ability, so like all abilities it should also be continually developed, or not? And perhaps we could still have the ability to choose what we share and what not, at least in public. With those close it would most likely be different as they would know better how to read us. Just a thought.
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 10:06
It is interesting where this thread went.
also it has taken me half a day to settle down into
what i was really trying to express here, and where the OP question took me.
The goal I saw in my friends question was to see that I have fear of intimacy.
That is what is behind my judgements, my compulsive corrections of others.
Most of the time I find these things boring it is hard to get to them, but that question
kind of raised the stakes ,made things seem more intense by considering the possibility
that others could know what is going on inside me before I did.
If I beat them to the punch this would not be a problem.
I judge me maybe worse than I judge others, and judgeing them is an imaginary escape from this personal hell.
The issues with what others are saying on the internet, and the media, are not external ones, but internal ones.
and this is over my head as far as anything practical goes, but others thoughts, the external threats I have reacted to on this forum ,are all inside of me anyway.
I started this thread to see if I could get a little closer to where I really am on that scale.
I am afraid of going within, even though that has been the major thrust of my life, and it is okay
practice makes better.
jf
I believe that we are here to be able to understand us and heal us of our own fears and dark sides.
I also believe that by not knowing which contracts made by the souls of people and for ourselves before incarnating, makes the act of judging a terrible injustice. But we are conditioned since childhood to compete in almost everything and therefore how to evaluate the outcome of this competition is judged.
So it is impossible to stop judging, facilitate yourself and others the act of forgiveness.
That's how I try to deal with my ghosts.
Hug.
johnf
27th June 2013, 10:09
It is interesting where this thread went.
also it has taken me half a day to settle down into
what i was really trying to express here, and where the OP question took me.
The goal I saw in my friends question was to see that I have fear of intimacy.
That is what is behind my judgements, my compulsive corrections of others.
Most of the time I find these things boring it is hard to get to them, but that question
kind of raised the stakes ,made things seem more intense by considering the possibility
that others could know what is going on inside me before I did.
If I beat them to the punch this would not be a problem.
I judge me maybe worse than I judge others, and judgeing them is an imaginary escape from this personal hell.
The issues with what others are saying on the internet, and the media, are not external ones, but internal ones.
and this is over my head as far as anything practical goes, but others thoughts, the external threats I have reacted to on this forum ,are all inside of me anyway.
I started this thread to see if I could get a little closer to where I really am on that scale.
I am afraid of going within, even though that has been the major thrust of my life, and it is okay
practice makes better.
jf
I don't really fear intimacy, I embrace it. But in my opinion others have to prove they are worthy of that intimacy. Many aren't, which is a sad fact.
What I wonder is, let's say we live in a society that is telepathic. It's an ability, so like all abilities it should also be continually developed, or not? And perhaps we could still have the ability to choose what we share and what not, at least in public. With those close it would most likely be different as they would know better how to read us. Just a thought.
The rub here is whether I can retain my skin around others, because I don't really get to control others to the extent that I won't be tempted to judge myself and attack someone else instead because they did some random thing because of what they can't handle.
I can decide I don't want to hang around certain people much, but I may still run into them on occaision, and will have to live with my reactions to them afterward.
Still intimacy with myself is still the biggest deal, and the most valuable skill.
jf
spiritguide
27th June 2013, 10:29
Question posed with a different perspective,,,, Are others sharing their thoughts with us once we clean out the clutter that fogs our receptors? Non-verbal communication has always been and awareness of this is what is happening. We are radio stations that transmit 24/7 and we are just learning how to tune in our receivers. The frequency of respect and love get a very good signal. FM radio station WIIFM (what's in it for me) has poor reception.
Peace!
Hello friend.
I agree with you that we have a receiving antenna (pineal gland).
You put an interesting point that I've been wondering for quite some time.
This tuner (frequencies) personnel could be just our emotions?
Explain.
When we are angry for example, the influence of this emotion would have an effect on the electromagnetic vibrations in our brain and consequently in the pineal gland, thus acting as a tuner and becoming receptive the electric waves of the same frequency and vibration (anger) around us. Then these waves of anger that we raised in our environment contributes to stay brooding thoughts invariably this emotion.
As we calmed down, the feeling will decrease which provides change our tune antenna and consequently attracting other energies of thought / way.
Does it make sense?
hug.
It has been said "You reap what you sow.", the reflection is similar is it not. All communication is just thought image transfer. The interpretation is just skewed by technical language. Enjoy the following song and it's message...
r1MjRp0ys5I
Peace be with you!
Chester
27th June 2013, 12:07
A friend of mine who was a spiritual mentor to me once asked me the following.
What if all of a sudden, everyone everywhere could read everyones mind perfectly.
You would be walking past someone on the street, and you would have a thought like, what an a******.
Then you would see that fellows thoughts as he sees your judgement, as well as any judgements he has of you.
My friends conclusion was what a bummer.
Mine was, wow, how many of us would survive that.
Now with the internet being rather wisespread for at least 15 years, and participation on this forum for a couple, (more time on other forums before this), years, my thought experiment has become, what if we are using the internet to prepare for the day when many will be ready to participate in the mass telepathy experiment.
How long does it take me to see past my arguing, my judgements , my attempts to disprove, and counter. And to instead see the other being and respond quickly with a response that helps them to the next level of acceptance of themselves and the world as it is unfolding that day.
It is after the internet, and I can just read, and not reply until I have reached a non judgemental place before I hit the post button. Don't allways, but it is as I say a training process.
I hope the telepathy thing doesn't happen today, I don't thing I would be up to it.
Perhaps sometime next week.
jf
WARNING: The following is ONLY my opinion so be warned I am stating it as if it is fact but only doing so for the sake of style.
Us human beings, along with all other beings are already fully telepathic if we consider the total being.
Whereas a fully integrated being (one who is whole) is individually conscious of most all thought / feelings and has access to all knowledge (like a "god"), most human beings on earth today possess varying degrees of blockages to this "universal server." I do, but the reason I state what I have stated is that I have performed a process throughout my life which has torn down some of these blockages and no expectations have experienced increased psi abilities and not exactly as I would ever have imagine - 95% of all my psi experiences can be placed under the heading of "synchronicity."
Understand, at this moment, I am speaking of the physical being in their waking state experience. Every thought, emotion... energetic output is picked up by all, but most individuals are cut off from "knowing these things" at their conscious, waking state level of being.
I have my theories as to how / why we are in this situation now, but unless and until we identify our true reality, and accept it, what we might do about it... how we might then handle "psi abilities" (which is simply bridging that gap between the currently divided state of being where we have this waking state realm of experience (which we think is just about all there really is to existence and more importantly, being) and our full being. Current estimates are that we exist in about 5% of our full consciousness.
I can assure you that all your "thoughts" are known to all. The break is between this small region we perceive as "the reality" and actual reality which is the all.
I have a been exploring theories as to why this may be the case... but that would be an entire thread onto its own.
I am also sniffing up the trail that we do not live in a simple matrix after all.
I am seeing what I can only call right now an array of sub matrices which appear to be 7 individual, self contained matrices which intersect. Here are a few...
Holographic
Vibrational Analog
Archetypal - Hyperspace communication is processed down here
It appears that within the overall array, multiple groups of beings have developed a digital overlay which they found can influence (manipulate) the overall experience of others.
...as we come from 0 (zero) to our current experience, we take this route -
0 to 1 to 3 to 7 which interestingly happen to be "sacred" numbers.
0 - you, unmanifest
1 - you "god" (eternal, immortal, etc)
3 - you, the spirit being - ensouled which via reverse holonics is the soul, spirit, mind.
Note: the soul is the key to eternal life - beings "without it" seek it and I don't blame them. This makes this array quite interesting IMO... but as I tend to do, I digress.
7 - you, the master array "within which" you exist. Which most of us experience first through our physical body vehicle and is where most of us are "trapped," and in my opinion occurs because we allow ourselves to be (thus it is ultimately a choice). I can say I take full responsibility for my "being here" yet I could not say that for anyone else though my opinion is that each of us has responsibility at some level of our being for being here.
I can expound later if anyone is interested in my research.
RunningDeer
27th June 2013, 12:30
Two objectives:
to emphasize that we all have natural abilities
to underscore the importance of mindful self-talk
Time to step beyond the mystery or program of some do, some don’t have natural abilities. All do. It depends where the attention is focused. Some find the sweet spot in OBE (out of body). Others tap it to create insightful art. A few common denominators are awareness and the belief to go beyond programs that say otherwise.
That’s where language comes in and the importance to pay attention. Where it came from initially, i.e., parents, media, friends, enemies, is an excuse. Free will. You choose to hold on or let go of what prevents you from the discovery of who you are really.
“I could never do that.” That’s a program. See it. Change it. How? One way is to go beyond language. Bypass the written and spoken word. Plug into the natural sensations: ear, eye, gut, feel, smell, etc. See examples post # 32 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60534-The-internet-as-preparation-for-world-wide-telepathy&p=693941&viewfull=1#post693941).
It’s zero hour in our evolution. Always. How fortuitous is that?
You are your best asset. Unconscious mind programs oneself into a life of paralysis.
Conscious mind:
Takes ownership of and for your own life choices, not what others think you should do
Awareness of what you put out is what you get back
Choices, choices, choices
No blame, just get the job done
See from the larger perspective
Unconscious mind:
I’m clumsy
I have a black cloud over my head
I always loose my keys
Accidents always happen
I’ve always done it like that
I'm unorganized
I'm a procrastinator
I’m fat, skinny, stupid, an idiot
Everyone hates me
I’m afraid
I’m weak
I'm confused
S/he did it to me
It's because of my mother/father
I can't decide
Victim blaming
No one cares
Poor me
I can’t do that
Everyone is jealous of me
Don’t hate me because I'm beautiful, hubba-hunk, rich, smart
I’m too scared
Why me?
I can never do that
Life’s a bitch
Peace,
Paula
Snoweagle
27th June 2013, 12:34
Humanity is telepathic.
It doesn't need the internet to prepare us for telepathy, we exist telepathically already.
Technology destroys the ability rather than enhances it. No aspect of technology enables telepathy. Technology creates a control medium only.
The use of alternative technology will complement telepathy but will require the demise of every source of conducted, transmitted or broadcast energies currently in use.
Conscious mind - fiction
Unconscious mind - thought fiction
Telepathy - Intuition, connection, knowing, seeing
Chester
27th June 2013, 12:44
Folks just seem afraid to "face themselves" and thus can't bare to even consider an existence where "everyone else knows my inner thoughts."
If you can be honest with yourself, clean yourself up by making the changes you seek, then you have no reason to be concerned "someone else can read my mind," - you can then be authentic and... based solely on my own experience, I conclude that one suddenly discovers that bridge to the rest of one's whole being and as a result, becomes more aware of their psi abilities. I see the Soul as this bridge.
How have I done this? I had to throw out morals, throw out what I think "god" might require of me... all that "programming crap" just to face my actual self and the picture was truly horrific - at first... but then I realized I will either "die the second death" or, embrace the second life into which I have awakened.
I choose life.
To keep it, I must maintain vigilance with regards to self honesty. This is a never ending requirement as I do not want to go back to sleep ever again.
Now, if only I could get the "master of the overlay" to stop throwing curve balls... hahaha
william r sanford72
27th June 2013, 13:26
i agree with snow eagle to a point.its already there and tech could destroy or even twist it.when i flip it i also see how its helped me connect with others like me.also to help refine and re teteach something in me i spent 20 years trying to kill or surpress.also justoneman brought up a valid point.what are we afraid of???if were being honest with our selves.i am not talking giving up control.iam talking about connecting with others on a higher leval.
william r sanford72
27th June 2013, 13:46
i guess thts my only want in all this...or the whatsinitforme....i wanna connect.it feels very natural to me.a positive exchange of energys thats not taking or giving.just flowing.sound to cheesy??thats my goal.cheesy or not.crackers please.
Camilo
27th June 2013, 14:09
A friend of mine who was a spiritual mentor to me once asked me the following.
What if all of a sudden, everyone everywhere could read everyones mind perfectly.
You would be walking past someone on the street, and you would have a thought like, what an a******.
Then you would see that fellows thoughts as he sees your judgement, as well as any judgements he has of you.
My friends conclusion was what a bummer.
Mine was, wow, how many of us would survive that.
Now with the internet being rather wisespread for at least 15 years, and participation on this forum for a couple, (more time on other forums before this), years, my thought experiment has become, what if we are using the internet to prepare for the day when many will be ready to participate in the mass telepathy experiment.
How long does it take me to see past my arguing, my judgements , my attempts to disprove, and counter. And to instead see the other being and respond quickly with a response that helps them to the next level of acceptance of themselves and the world as it is unfolding that day.
It is after the internet, and I can just read, and not reply until I have reached a non judgemental place before I hit the post button. Don't allways, but it is as I say a training process.
I hope the telepathy thing doesn't happen today, I don't thing I would be up to it.
Perhaps sometime next week.
jf
Many people have this ability nowadays. Perhaps they already reached a spiritual maturity beyond judgement and prejudice.
Rosieposie
27th June 2013, 14:23
I've always been able to tell what everyone is feeling and often thinking (fun thing to learn to deal with when you are a child lol especially one as naive as myself) although I don't connect my energies up with peoples thought energies unless I know them and need to contact them and even then I stay superficial, it's a matter of respect and honestly it's annoying enough knowing what everyone is feeling without getting chatter as well, I guess that would only appeal to someone who had a control agenda? It is handy sometimes though I guess I found it largely isolating growing up, I don't really think about it, it just seems normal to know what everyone is feeling kinda like how it took me until 14 before I realized not everyone innately knew and felt other dimensions lol I'm so oblivious in many ways. My daughter is the same (perhaps more clearly developed too) and from before birth we have communicated through it, makes for challenging bubs though lol extremely one on one with high int and large emotional body developing, and don't ask about sleep with a baby who wakes up if mum is in anything other than completely chilled lol.
RunningDeer
27th June 2013, 14:31
People cannot even do mental telepathy with head side by side. If computer is able to facilitate telepathy between to heads miles apart then that makes the computer more intelligent than human. By that time robots rule the world. Just another diversionary crap.:confused:
"...then that makes the computer more intelligent than human...."
Factor in the *wild card*. Creative Intelligence. We got it, computers don’t. Nor do the dank-dark-ones. Achoo...
naste.de.lumina
27th June 2013, 18:23
WARNING: The following is ONLY my opinion so be warned I am stating it as if it is fact.
Us human beings, along with all other beings are already fully telepathic. Whereas a fully integrated being (one who is whole) is individually conscious of all thought / feelings and has access to all knowledge (like a "god"), most human beings on earth today possess varying degrees of blockages to this "universal server."
Understand, at this moment, I am speaking of the physical being and their waking state experience. Every thought, emotion... energetic output is picked up by all, but most individuals are cut off from "knowing these things" at their conscious, waking state level of being.
I have my theories as to how / why we are in this situation now, but unless and until we identify our true reality, and accept it, what we might do about it... how we might then handle "psi abilities" (which is simply bridging that gap between the currently divided state of being where we have this waking state realm of experience (which we think is just about all there really is to existence and more importantly, being) and our full being. Current estimates are that we exist in about 5% of our full consciousness.
I can assure you that all your "thoughts" are known to all. The break is between this small region we perceive as "the reality" and actual reality which is the all.
I have a been exploring theories as to why this may be the case... but that would be an entire thread onto its own.
I am also sniffing up the trail that we do not live in a simple matrix after all.
I am seeing what I can only call right now an array of sub matrices which appear to be 7 individual matrices. Here are a few...
Holographic
Vibrational Analog
Archetypal - Hyperspace communication is processed down here
It appears that within the overall array, multiple groups of beings have developed a digital overlay which they found can influence (manipulate) the overall experience of others.
...as we come from 0 (zero) to our current experience, we take this route -
0 to 1 to 3 to 7 which interestingly happen to be "sacred" numbers.
0 - you, unmanifest
1 - you "god" (eternal, immortal, etc)
3 - you, the spirit being - ensouled which via reverse holonics is the soul, spirit, mind.
Note: the soul is the key to eternal life - beings "without it" seek it and I don't blame them. This makes this array quite interesting IMO... but as I tend to do, I digress.
7 - you, the master array "within which" you exist. Which most of us experience first through our physical body vehicle and is where most of us are "trapped" which is the only way we actually can be, because we allow ourselves to be (thus it is ultimately a choice).
I can expound later if anyone is interested in my research.
This is a very intriguing perspective my friend.
I've read in other threads about opinions beings devoid of soul.
And although I do not get asked about it, because it definitely was not the focus of the topic, all new information that I had contact on the subject apparently was accumulating in my subconscious.
Whether I can imagine how they could be beings created, nothing more than speculation on my part.
I read very superficially somewhere on murders of soul. It made me scared.
The full image you present itself is very interesting and excites my curiosity.
So I would like to take your kindness to deepen it.
The way best suits for you.
Thank you.
Chester
1st July 2013, 12:54
This is a very intriguing perspective my friend.
I've read in other threads about opinions beings devoid of soul.
And although I do not get asked about it, because it definitely was not the focus of the topic, all new information that I had contact on the subject apparently was accumulating in my subconscious.
Whether I can imagine how they could be beings created, nothing more than speculation on my part.
I read very superficially somewhere on murders of soul. It made me scared.
The full image you present itself is very interesting and excites my curiosity.
So I would like to take your kindness to deepen it.
The way best suits for you.
Thank you.
I enjoy exploring opinions... my own and others. I faced the facts that I exist anchored in a physical body within a physical realm. My Soul, which is my source for life (which is more than simple existence) is critically central to my experience. Opinions only bounce around in my Mind and no longer have much influence upon my Soul. My Spirit, more and more, is becoming directed by my Soul via my Mind, though sometimes the Body has its say.
I have found my experience far more rewarding since I have begun to truly free my Soul. Again, my Mind, more and more, takes direction from my Soul. I find myself all but totally unattached to anything and this includes opinions.
But opinions are fun to play with. Whereas someone may find themselves captive to an opinion (and sense their soul has been "murdered" which I believe is impossible as Soul is eternal and thus immortal), because my Soul is reasonably healthy these days, I can't be held hostage by opinions (mine nor those of others) because all actual truth is known to the Soul which is... hahaha, just my opinion though is taught in many schools - esoteric, mystical, philosophical and "other."
jiminii
1st July 2013, 13:22
WARNING: The following is ONLY my opinion so be warned I am stating it as if it is fact.
Us human beings, along with all other beings are already fully telepathic. Whereas a fully integrated being (one who is whole) is individually conscious of all thought / feelings and has access to all knowledge (like a "god"), most human beings on earth today possess varying degrees of blockages to this "universal server."
Understand, at this moment, I am speaking of the physical being and their waking state experience. Every thought, emotion... energetic output is picked up by all, but most individuals are cut off from "knowing these things" at their conscious, waking state level of being.
I have my theories as to how / why we are in this situation now, but unless and until we identify our true reality, and accept it, what we might do about it... how we might then handle "psi abilities" (which is simply bridging that gap between the currently divided state of being where we have this waking state realm of experience (which we think is just about all there really is to existence and more importantly, being) and our full being. Current estimates are that we exist in about 5% of our full consciousness.
I can assure you that all your "thoughts" are known to all. The break is between this small region we perceive as "the reality" and actual reality which is the all.
I have a been exploring theories as to why this may be the case... but that would be an entire thread onto its own.
I am also sniffing up the trail that we do not live in a simple matrix after all.
I am seeing what I can only call right now an array of sub matrices which appear to be 7 individual matrices. Here are a few...
Holographic
Vibrational Analog
Archetypal - Hyperspace communication is processed down here
It appears that within the overall array, multiple groups of beings have developed a digital overlay which they found can influence (manipulate) the overall experience of others.
...as we come from 0 (zero) to our current experience, we take this route -
0 to 1 to 3 to 7 which interestingly happen to be "sacred" numbers.
0 - you, unmanifest
1 - you "god" (eternal, immortal, etc)
3 - you, the spirit being - ensouled which via reverse holonics is the soul, spirit, mind.
Note: the soul is the key to eternal life - beings "without it" seek it and I don't blame them. This makes this array quite interesting IMO... but as I tend to do, I digress.
7 - you, the master array "within which" you exist. Which most of us experience first through our physical body vehicle and is where most of us are "trapped" which is the only way we actually can be, because we allow ourselves to be (thus it is ultimately a choice).
I can expound later if anyone is interested in my research.
This is a very intriguing perspective my friend.
I've read in other threads about opinions beings devoid of soul.
And although I do not get asked about it, because it definitely was not the focus of the topic, all new information that I had contact on the subject apparently was accumulating in my subconscious.
Whether I can imagine how they could be beings created, nothing more than speculation on my part.
I read very superficially somewhere on murders of soul. It made me scared.
The full image you present itself is very interesting and excites my curiosity.
So I would like to take your kindness to deepen it.
The way best suits for you.
Thank you.
this spirit I AM .. is immortal ... you can't kill one .. if you could then why would they need to go to such an expense to create a prison planet like this ... they would just kill you ... the spirit is outside this physical universe .. it has no mass no motion no energy no space no time no wavelength .. but it can create all those and a universe like this by extending itself out of the static ... this period of time has already happened .. we are doing it again from the future ... there is a reason I was not allowed to bring this information to the body conscious and that is in this planet situation we are in I, (from this bodies perceptions) would abuse it .... so to be able to do what I do ... the spirit views it for those in the future ... keeps this bodies attention off what is happening in the spiritual realm because this way we can BE HERE .. do our job ... and finish our missions
everything is done in the spiritual world first ... you change the form and it changes the body ... the spirit can not make direct contact with the body it could accidentally discharge enough charge to turn the body to powder .... so the spirit controls the form .. (theta body) ... and the form controls the body ,.. you don't move the body ... you move the form and the body follows
you can damage the body and flood the form and mind with garbage but it can't hurt the spirit ... the spirit is still in the static and it can just bypass this damaged body (soul would be like a viewpoint the spirit creates to operate inside the physical universe ..and you can mess up the viewpoint a lot) ... and soul (viewpoint ) ... and operate from one of it's other viewpoints ... so you see ... these negative entities can only damage that what is created in this physical universe .. it can't damage the spirit being itself because the viewpoints and theta bodies are the buffer between this physical universe and the static ... (where the spirit is creating from) ...
so if these insane like to play these insane games ... they are only digging a deeper hole for them to come out ... and if they think they can damage a spirit ... I can tell you ... they can just leave the body... and then they are only damaging a robot GE (ghost ,.. that has the mind of an animal ... is a creation no greater than trees and plants) ... so they can't hurt us if we don't agree to it ...
we are trying to dig everyone out of this ... and they just are a minor annoyance .... we can get our jobs done ... because they are so obviously insane .. only a few are willing to play their game
jim
naste.de.lumina
1st July 2013, 13:49
this spirit I AM .. is immortal ... you can't kill one .. if you could then why would they need to go to such an expense to create a prison planet like this ... they would just kill you ... the spirit is outside this physical universe .. it has no mass no motion no energy no space no time no wavelength .. but it can create all those and a universe like this by extending itself out of the static ... this period of time has already happened .. we are doing it again from the future ... there is a reason I was not allowed to bring this information to the body conscious and that is in this planet situation we are in I, (from this bodies perceptions) would abuse it .... so to be able to do what I do ... the spirit views it for those in the future ... keeps this bodies attention off what is happening in the spiritual realm because this way we can BE HERE .. do our job ... and finish our missions
everything is done in the spiritual world first ... you change the form and it changes the body ... the spirit can not make direct contact with the body it could accidentally discharge enough charge to turn the body to powder .... so the spirit controls the form .. (theta body) ... and the form controls the body ,.. you don't move the body ... you move the form and the body follows
you can damage the body and flood the form and mind with garbage but it can't hurt the spirit ... the spirit is still in the static and it can just bypass this damaged body (soul would be like a viewpoint the spirit creates to operate inside the physical universe ..and you can mess up the viewpoint a lot) ... and soul (viewpoint ) ... and operate from one of it's other viewpoints ... so you see ... these negative entities can only damage that what is created in this physical universe .. it can't damage the spirit being itself because the viewpoints and theta bodies are the buffer between this physical universe and the static ... (where the spirit is creating from) ...
so if these insane like to play these insane games ... they are only digging a deeper hole for them to come out ... and if they think they can damage a spirit ... I can tell you ... they can just leave the body... and then they are only damaging a robot GE (ghost ,.. that has the mind of an animal ... is a creation no greater than trees and plants) ... so they can't hurt us if we don't agree to it ...
we are trying to dig everyone out of this ... and they just are a minor annoyance .... we can get our jobs done ... because they are so obviously insane .. only a few are willing to play their game
jim
I have an impression very similar.
Grateful for the explanation.
Maia Gabrial
2nd July 2013, 18:10
I'm not sure it would happen that way, johnf. We'd all be in so much awe having an expanded consciousness. We'd know why everything happened the way they did in the past; why people experienced what they did and why. We'd understand ourselves, too. IMO there would be no judgements towards anyone. Just understanding....relief.... finally, even unconditional love....
Come what may, I'm ready for it. You'll be able to see everything I've done as well as me seeing everything that you did.... And we'd still love one another regardless....
Naruma
8th October 2013, 05:25
My thought is that the mask is who most people are. Not to your friends or family mind, but to people you first meet. I don't think the world is ready. imho this would tank or cause riots.
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