An Oxymoron – Abduction by Harmless ETs

[ResistETIntervention]

Abduction by harmless extraterrestrials? That is an oxymoron.

Some of the perspectives offered by pro-ETs are as follows:


That the abductors were brotherly aliens watching over people
That the aliens must be harmless because abductees were returned “unharmed”
That abductees have had psychologically and physically traumatic abduction experiences due to their shortcomings
That the ETs are here to advance humanity scientifically, technologically, and/or spiritually
That the ETs are unaware of human beings’ physical pains that they inflict upon them
That technological advancement automatically indicates spiritual advancement
That all abductees later understood that they were abducted by harmless aliens (an unsubstantiated statement as I know of abductees who most definitely do not understand so)
That there is no proof of the existence of malevolent ETs out there or that all ETs are benevolent as ET-proponents such as Steven Greer would put it

Perhaps readers can see the mindboggling influences extraterrestrial beings are capable of exerting on some people and particularly on abductees, the power of which should not be undermined. Pro-ETs’ perspectives lack rationality to the extent that they welcome, support, and even apologize for the very ETs that have abducted them. Could they have so much understanding and compassion for human kidnappers?

If some strangers camped out in a pro-ET individual’s backyard and took his children in the middle of the night for whatever purposes which were explained to the children as beneficial to them, could he apologize for the strangers as possibly having benevolent excuses for abducting his children? If his children were drugged or otherwise mind-controlled, part or all of their memory of the abduction episodes were suppressed by their abductors, their bodies were raped, probed with needles, and experimented on, their blood was drawn out, and they were told that it is all for their good, could he have so much understanding and compassion for those strangers? Absolutely not? I didn’t say to suppose the strangers were human beings.

These ETs have been in our world for a while and their Intervention has been underway for quite some time now. They have studied human beings’ psychology, social behaviors, physiology, etc. They are apparently able to control brain frequencies of human beings to induce or suppress various feelings or emotions. For example, among other sensations and emotions, during abduction, some abductees were not able to feel any coldness wearing only their pajamas outside in the middle of winter. The ETs, of course, invariably immobilize abductees so that they couldn’t resist. They also immobilize abductees’ loved ones so that they could not save them from being abducted. Harmless ETs? I think not.

Those abductees who have had “brotherly,” “loving,” or “enlightening” experiences must try to recall ALL of their abduction experiences. Why are they able to recall only part of them? What sort of brothers would abduct them out of their beds in the middle of the night and against their will? What sort of spiritually enlightened beings would abduct people in order to manipulate their senses and have them experience “spiritually enlightening” or “loving” feelings, and how does this enlighten the abductees?

I urge those who have had sexually arousing encounters to try to recall every second of all of their abduction episodes. Have they encountered, for example, beautiful Pleiadian females who seduced them? Are they able to recall the entire episodes? A man was able to recall his encounter with such a being that lured him. However, she (or it) then turned into an asymmetrical “monstrous” being that shoved a long tube-like arm down his throat and left a bitter taste in his mouth. Alluring or loving? Hardly.

Some abductees claim to have been “educated” by their extraterrestrial abductors. What exactly did these ETs teach that abductees find helpful either to themselves or others? If it is like the experiences that Stan Romanek have had, perhaps the ETs showed or inserted memory of some mathematical or scientific formula that the abductees could not understand or use or formulae or theories that were already in existence in the relevant fields. How does this help the abductees or help advance humanity in any way? I urge those who have “learned” any subjects from these extraterrestrial beings to recall what it is that they learned exactly (write it down) and ponder upon whether they would be so understanding if any of their school teachers had abducted them out of their beds in the middle of the night and against their will in order to educate them.

I would be extremely callous, to say the least, if I told abductees that it is due to their shortcomings that they are so easily mind-controlled. Yet, there are abductees who believe to have encountered “harmless” ETs and blame other abductees for having had psychologically and physically traumatic abduction experiences, claiming that it is due to their shortcomings that they had such atrocious experiences. Try telling that to rape victims. Yes, any rape victims.

How about the stance that the aliens must be harmless because abductees were returned “unharmed”? I challenge them to define “unharmed.” Are abductees unharmed even though implants were put into their bodies for whatever unknown purposes? Are they unharmed even though they were raped by or forced to have sexual intercourse with extraterrestrials or other human beings whom they do not know? Are they unharmed even though they were forced to carry human-alien hybrids that they never wanted? Are they unharmed even though their blood is drawn out and organs are bottled, as observed by other abductees? Are they unharmed even though they are living with constant fear of not knowing when they will be abducted again? Are they unharmed even though they are living with silence, lest they may be ridiculed and rejected by their fellow human beings? Are they unarmed even though they must cope, for the rest of their lives, with psychological damages resulted from their traumatic abduction experiences? Are they unharmed even though their memory of abduction is suppressed and they do not even realize that they were abducted by extraterrestrials?

Are abductees unharmed even though they are returned so mind-controlled that they believe themselves to have had encounters with “harmless, brotherly” ETs?

No ethical beings (human beings or otherwise) would abduct anyone and deviously persuade their abductees that they are brotherly entities here to advance the abductees intellectually, technologically, or spiritually. None of those advancements require raping abductees or probing their bodies, let alone abduction itself. None of those require taking human blood and DNA.

There is no such thing as abduction by harmless extraterrestrials.

Abduction utterly undermines and violates individual’s fundamental rights.

Let this be understood clearly.

[Sérénité]

Good points, never really thought of it in this context!
If some random person abducted my children, for what they deemed was for good intentions, I would not assume them to be harmless and would want them locking up for it.
To take someone without their consent, whether for good or bad intentions, is wrong, unjust and most definitely not benevolent, imo!

[wobbegong]

Thankyou for this thread ResistETIntervention. On the points you listed I would also add the disgusting lie that Greer is trying to disseminate:
"...We exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made. ..." (page 25 of 'dead man's trigger')

[sirdipswitch]

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

[Star Tsar]

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

Sirdipswitch may I ask why you say this?

:)

[Sidney]

You are right. Oxymoron. The supposed (we cannot intervene, therefore we cannot help/get involved, yadayadayada). Well, invading someones dreamstate, abducting, sending telepathic messages, even crop circles, are all some type of intervention or another, therefore their law means nothing.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

Just as the last surviving native American Indian would say. If they bring blankets, don't take them.

[DevilPigeon]

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

You need to post again, your post count is currently 'the mark of the beast' :p

[ResistETIntervention]

… I would also add the disgusting lie that Greer is trying to disseminate: "...We exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made. ..." (page 25 of 'dead man's trigger')
Yes. We must note, however, that ufologists are vulnerable to manipulation by the Extraterrestrial Intervention because of their work and the fact that they are the ones from whom people interested in the UFO/ET phenomenon or concerned about it seek to find answers. We cannot undermine the power of influence the ET Intervention can exert on people.

I don’t know whether Steven Greer was abducted and returned mind-controlled, but he certainly displays all the symptoms of such people. We need to see beyond Steven Greer, all the abductees returned mind-controlled, and those in the positions of power that have fallen under the ETs’ persuasion. Our battle is not against these people, but against the ET Intervention. If we don’t recognize this, then we will put ourselves in the very predicaments to which the ET Intervention meant to drive the entire human race: conflicts and division among humanity, and loss of faith in ourselves, our governments, and all of humanity.

This fracturing of human societies is exactly what the ET Intervention has been instigating and waiting for to happen, so that people – now having lost faith in human leaderships and themselves – will want to seek leadership from extraterrestrial forces.

It will take much longer to accomplish their goals of conquering the world through such tactics, but it will ensure the least resistance from people against them.

Do you see how the ET Intervention can overtake the world without even firing a shot?


Just as the last surviving native American Indian would say. If they bring blankets, don't take them. Exactly. Throughout human history, natives living in isolated regions that are valued by others have been exploited by those with the means and motives to conquer the natives.

Now, the entire human race is the native of the world being exploited so by extraterrestrial forces.

[Maia Gabrial]

James Horak and Richard Boylan are two more who say there are no negative ET's, too. Anyone who thinks there are, they say are bad or misguided. Are these guys mind controlled to mislead people? Wouldn't common sense tell you that in this universe of duality, there most certainly would be bad ET's...?

[Etherios]

James Horak and Richard Boylan are two more who say there are no negative ET's, too. Anyone who thinks there are, they say are bad or misguided. Are these guys mind controlled to mislead people? Wouldn't common sense tell you that in this universe of duality, there most certainly would be bad ET's...?

Well i think it would be too boring if all were good ETs. Yes we can say that they might not be expansionists and dont want to kill off other civilizations but does that make them good? each race want to survive and protect it self.

I am sure we shall see in the near future who is wrong and who is right.

[DevilPigeon]

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To say all aliens are benevolent is quite frankly a joke. Consider this - to other aliens looking in on us, we are the aliens; and we as a species aren't exactly all blue skies and bunny rabbits are we?

[ResistETIntervention]

James Horak and Richard Boylan are two more who say there are no negative ET's, too. Anyone who thinks there are, they say are bad or misguided. Are these guys mind controlled to mislead people? Wouldn't common sense tell you that in this universe of duality, there most certainly would be bad ET's...?
I’m not sure who those people are or what they do, so I couldn’t say whether they may be manipulated by the ET Intervention or not. However, anyone who is not informed about any ETs would not automatically claim that there are no negative ETs. Also, those who have attempted to find out anything about ETs are likely to have come across information on abductions by ETs, and unlikely to determine that there are no negative ETs.

Here though, I think we should move away from labeling these ETs as “negative” or “bad” ETs, in order to see the reality objectively as is, rather than out of our preferences, fears, or hopes. They are here to conquer our world covertly for the access of our resources. So they are our adversaries undoubtedly. We have what they need and they really want them and will do whatever they can do acquire them. In the physical universe where every being needs resources to survive, the stronger will attempt to dominate the weaker for the acquisition of resources, if possible. This is the case among tribes and nations in our world as well. It is no different in the universe except in a much larger scale involving a lot more and many different races competing with one another at an unimaginable scale.

In the universe full of stark barren worlds, our planet is truly a gem in the universe. Yet, we spoil our environments and squander our resources robbing our future generations their means to survive. Humanity collectively is not respected as worthy stewards of the planet so envied by other races in the universe. Humanity must become more mature collectively, cease conflicts among groups and nations, secure the solar system as its border, establish its own rules of engagement with foreign races from outer space, and conserve and preserve the resources and environment.

This is our planet and our solar system. The ET Intervention does not belong anywhere within the solar system and we need to drive all the ETs out of it.

[mojo]

Thanks for highlightng this important point, although there will likely be abductees that will see their experience as positive even after being taken by them. Should we label it as negative if that is the case? If not how do we validate their encounters as (good?) if that has been their overall experience? Almost a few years ago I posted a thread on this subject. My experience with them led me to question their motives, and abduction was one of the benchmarks used to determine good vs. bad, among other things. Had abductions been involved it would not have been so easy to capture ongoing evidence.

My personal encounters/observations and attempts at documenting (~ 5 years) have led to conclude that there are some benevolent ET's/beings watching/observing that don't don't abduct or act agressive to us.

[ResistETIntervention]

My personal encounters/observations and attempts at documenting (~ 5 years) have led to conclude that there are some benevolent ET's/beings watching/observing that don't don't abduct or act agressive to us.

Could you elaborate on your encounters/observations?

[william r sanford72]

until the true nature of abductions is revealed all we have is each other.i took much bad and much good from my encounters.in the end i would suggest looking in ward for the answer.and then on how to use the negative aspects for something good.otherwise what else do we do.go crazy??.all good all bad.its both.

[thunder24]

E-GAD....WHAT if a human showed up in a car?


It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

[mojo]

ok, around 2011 which appears to be the height of the activity. On some encounters the beings were not solid looking and other times they were. In the solid form they never approached as close as in their energy form. The self-luminescent form makes the eyes water from the intensity of energy emitted when very close, and at least 7 times recalling when the energy went down my hand and it felt like a gentle caress with a slight static charge including and aura of energy around my hand as an after effect. Along with the physical aspect, there was a stronger emotional connection made and although I'm not telepathic my empathic ability helped me to understand something of the intelligence or motive behind what was observed. Numerous observations later as well as their consistent interactions helped to confirm the benevolent nature. They likely have the telepathic abilities and whenever I was fearful the displays would back away until it was comfortable to proceed. SeeingUFOsPA discovered in a video I uploaded a taller ET showing affection to a smaller one. And finally in all the years they never acted aggresive.

[ResistETIntervention]

On some encounters the beings were not solid looking and other times they were. In the solid form they never approached as close as in their energy form. The self-luminescent form makes the eyes water from the intensity of energy emitted when very close, and at least 7 times recalling when the energy went down my hand and it felt like a gentle caress with a slight static charge including and aura of energy around my hand as an after effect.
Please note that the ETs are capable of projecting images via technology such as holographs. They may look solid, self-luminescent, or any other forms such as Jesus, avatars, saints, demons, angels, your loved ones (even deceased ones), etc. Also, they can manipulate what your senses report to you. You do not want to trust what you see, hear, or feel when you are in the vicinity of ETs.


Along with the physical aspect, there was a stronger emotional connection made and although I'm not telepathic my empathic ability helped me to understand something of the intelligence or motive behind what was observed. May I ask what it is that you understood from what you observed? What did you understand to be their motives in abducting you?


Numerous observations later as well as their consistent interactions helped to confirm the benevolent nature. Could you elaborate on your observations and the consistent interactions from which you concluded that the ETs are benevolent in nature?


They likely have the telepathic abilities and whenever I was fearful the displays would back away until it was comfortable to proceed. I’m not sure what you mean by “the displays.” Do you mean they showed you some images? What proceeded when you felt comfortable?


SeeingUFOsPA discovered in a video I uploaded a taller ET showing affection to a smaller one. Is “SeeingUFOsPA” a youtube video?


And finally in all the years they never acted aggresive. Could I ask you whether you remember every single second of however many (?) abduction episodes you have experienced?



until the true nature of abductions is revealed all we have is each other.i took much bad and much good from my encounters.in the end i would suggest looking in ward for the answer.and then on how to use the negative aspects for something good.otherwise what else do we do.go crazy??.all good all bad.its both.

Could you elaborate on the good and bad experiences of your encounters with ETs?

[mojo]

Perhaps should ask why you feel there is only a negative agenda with ET's and apologize for not wishing to elaborate more.

[blufire]

You are right. Oxymoron. The supposed (we cannot intervene, therefore we cannot help/get involved, yadayadayada). Well, invading someones dreamstate, abducting, sending telepathic messages, even crop circles, are all some type of intervention or another, therefore their law means nothing

Just curious Sidney . . . how else would an alien race communicate with us?

So then I suppose all aliens or ET’s are evil or harmful by the opinions of this thread?



Abduction utterly undermines and violates individual’s fundamental rights.

Why do we feel that we are correct when we judge something that is completely different than we are in ‘human’ terms?

How would an alien race know what an individuals fundamental rights are . . . . I don’t even know what an individuals human rights are . . . and I bet if we asked 1000 people we would get 1000 different answers.

We wonder why the ET’s aren’t more obvious and direct in communicating and interacting with us . . . . well this thread imo is a very good example and reason why.

Just a thought.

[ResistETIntervention]

Perhaps should ask why you feel there is only a negative agenda with ET's and apologize for not wishing to elaborate more.

Abduction, as I have stated, violates individual's fundamental rights. There is no such thing as abduction by harmless ETs.

I think I have given enough explanations based on abductees' experiences and from the perspective of practicality. I am not apologizing for anything here.

Abductees often feel that they cannot share what they experienced, lest they may be jeered at by their fellow human beings. I'm not one of those insensitive people. Abductees' minds unfortunately are often manipulated to welcome, support, and apologize for their extraterrestrial abductors. They also seem to possess beliefs that their abductors are not harmful as self-protection mechanisms to deal with their constant fear and anxiety of their abduction episodes and not knowing when the next episode will be – by regarding the extraterrestrial abductors as benevolent, perhaps they believe that the ETs may not do much harm to them.

What you experienced, or rather, what you were made to believe you experienced is not what actually happened, at least not entirely. If they had benevolent intentions, you would not have been abducted in the first place. Do you recall every single second of all of your abduction episodes? Why do you suppose you don't? Do you feel that you cannot elaborate on what the ETs have done to you because you physically and mentally cannot allow yourself to vilify them in any way? Does it strike you as strange at all that you're shielding the very ETs that have abducted you? By asking all these questions, I’m not trying to blame you for what happened to you, but to awaken you if possible.

Please try to answer these questions earnestly for your sake, even if only to yourself.

There is part of you that cannot be manipulated by anything or anyone, not even by ETs. So please do not feel helpless or hopeless. There are many things you can do to help yourself.

[Bongo]

I don’t even know what an individuals human rights are.


Individuals human rights are simple

I am Sovereign.
Do not cause me any harm.

These are applicable to the entire human race but these simple facts are violated all over the world everyday. Every time someone tries to make a decision for someone else they violate the sovereignty of the individual. When the individual tries to reclaim their sovereignty harm is usually the tool used to get them to comply.

[blufire]

I am an abductee . . . . Although I personally would not use this term.

I spent a great deal of my childhood with at one time I thought were owls at my window.

[mojo]

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edit. I was not abducted and I'm not disagreeing with you about abductions. There's a broader perspective that is the issue which you haven't addressed. That there are benevolent ET's.

[william r sanford72]

i posted some of my stuff on my profile page because i didnt have the balls at the time to publicly post it and also after being on avalon for a short time soon realized that this has been discussed to quite an extent and very deeply..in archives vids so forth.but i do like seeing it discussed again.and again because a fresh outlook is always good.and new info and details await as time goes on.

[sirdipswitch]

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

You need to post again, your post count is currently 'the mark of the beast' :p



Look who's talkin Devil Pigeon. ccc.

But, just for you I am. Even though I am.

I am 50% Evil... and 50% good... I am perfect ballance. ccc. :wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:

Sirdipswitch may I ask why you say this?

:)




Any race that shows up here in ships, telling us how to be more spiritual, with their condesending attitude, aren't any more spiritual than Humans. I don't need a ship to go explore the Unverse and it's other races, so why should they, if they are so Spiritual. Then to top that off they install their "Abductees, with implants so they can communicate from space with them. B*** S***!!!

To me it ain't no differnt... than the Mayans lettin the Spanish come ashore! ccc.

[thunder24]

mayb we should build a border fence....or is that space based platforms or laser cannons or rods from God.... me must get on this... DEFEND THE MOTHER PLANET...

[ResistETIntervention]

Clearly, abduction violates individual’s fundamental rights. If I abducted ETs against their will, they will most certainly accuse me of being unethical and violating their fundamental rights. Kidnapping of a person by another human being most certainly violates the abductee’s fundamental rights. Would you not agree?

Did all of humanity decide democratically that it wants to interact with the ETs? No. Then the ETs should not be here in our world. If someone visits your home, you’d like to know why they are visiting you and when they will leave your home. If someone simply moves into your home bringing more and more supplies and carries out certain activities and you have no idea what they are doing for what purposes or when they will leave your home, would you apologize for that individual? No? If you wouldn’t allow that for any fellow human being in your home, why would you allow that for extraterrestrials about whom you know nothing?

Ethical contact would include extraterrestrials’ introduction of themselves to humanity, informing humanity (absolutely without abducting anyone) for what purpose they are visiting the world and when they will leave. Any other way is unethical.

This is our planet and our solar system. It belongs to humanity and humanity alone, and humanity must exercise its rights and responsibilities in securing its border and declaring its sovereignty. Such is expected among nations in our world, as is expected among the worlds in our local universe. A nation does not accomplish it by building physical fences at its border. Neither do other worlds in the universe. Their respective solar systems are their native spheres of influence, if they declare them to be so. That is expected and respected by other worlds. Thus, it is foolish to not declare our sovereignty in our solar system (http://www.humansovereignty.org/). For otherwise, unwelcomed, uninvited “visitors” from outer space could invite themselves in and establish themselves wherever in our world and solar system as long as humanity does not mount enough resistance against them or declares its sovereignty.

In the universe, free races that are spiritually advanced do exist. They would not infiltrate into any worlds, abduct any beings, exploit any emerging races (such as humanity) ignorant of life in the universe, or lure any races with some trinket technology. Yet, freedom is rare in the universe. Those ETs that are infiltrating into our world however covertly and abducting people are not here for benevolent purposes. They are not making ethical contact. They are not free races or spiritually advanced races. They do not value freedom within their worlds, nor do they value human freedom viewing it as chaotic.

Thus, it is our freedom and self-determination at stake.

[ResistETIntervention]

I am an abductee . . . . Although I personally would not use this term. I spent a great deal of my childhood with at one time I thought were owls at my window What were your experiences like?

When abductees are returned mind-controlled, they will say and do what the ETs want them to say and do. Of course they will welcome, support, and apologize for the ETs that abducted them because that’s what the ETs want them to say and do. It’s very unfortunate and heartbreaking.

[ResistETIntervention]

Here are some of the reasons that contact the ET Intervention is making with human beings currently is unethical:



visitation and occupation without informed consent by citizens of this world instead by secret government groups or other organizations
non-disclosure of intentions and fostering secrecy and deception as opposed to openness, trust, and negotiation
breeching planetary and national boundaries with impunity
displays of technological power over cities and military installations risking national security
fostering human dependency through offers of technology to a less advanced or less developed native race
violations of basic human rights in abducting people against their will and subjecting them to often terrifying procedures, resulting in psychological trauma and social isolation
exploitation of resources, both human and biological
behind the scenes exacerbation of human conflict

From Ethics of Contact (http://alliesofhumanity.org/the-ethics-of-contact/)

[lookbeyond]

Hi Resist, do you have an opinion on past life agreements with ETs that ive read about? thx lb

[ResistETIntervention]

Hi Resist, do you have an opinion on past life agreements with ETs that ive read about? thx lb

Could you elaborate on what you have read?

[blufire]

Here are some of the reasons that contact the ET Intervention is making with human beings currently is unethical:



visitation and occupation without informed consent by citizens of this world instead by secret government groups or other organizations
non-disclosure of intentions and fostering secrecy and deception as opposed to openness, trust, and negotiation
breeching planetary and national boundaries with impunity
displays of technological power over cities and military installations risking national security
fostering human dependency through offers of technology to a less advanced or less developed native race
violations of basic human rights in abducting people against their will and subjecting them to often terrifying procedures, resulting in psychological trauma and social isolation
exploitation of resources, both human and biological
behind the scenes exacerbation of human conflict

From Ethics of Contact (http://alliesofhumanity.org/the-ethics-of-contact/)


Just wondering here . . .

So did somebody make a few million copies of this “Ethics of Contact” and hand it out to all the different ET’s that are moseying around our planet so they could understand that they are unethical?

I cannot wrap my head around this. You are coming entirely from a human point of view.

We cannot even begin to understand alien intent . . . .we cant even agree on human intent.

All I can say is my heart goes out to you because it is clear something very traumatic has happened to you. I hope you have someone who can help you sort this out and you can come to some peace.

[lookbeyond]

Sorry Resist, its just a gathering of this idea from a variety of threads ive visited here on Avalon over the past year- so i cant give a specific source.I am interested in the idea as it had been mentioned on some of these threads that the contactee had forgotten their contract which may have been instigated in a far previous life, lb

[Nanoo Nanoo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL56IXifi9w&list=PLA15C5AF8DBDAE090


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVZ2CgLYKgc

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Blue fire, resist ET intervention IMO has it very well sorted out. I think you are the one who is in denial of a sitution of grave concern to the human family. Ask yourself if you are really aware of everything that has taken place with your abductions. These alien follow a strict chain of command where freedom is not respected or allowed. They may very well know human ethics of contact because it is a universe of intelligent life in which we have been observed for a long time. They don't care for our ideals and ethics. They blindly follow the agenda given to them. The higher up in there hierarchy I'm sure have greater intelligence than there worker class who has totall allegiance to its hierarchy of command. They were bred for this purpose. To follow orders strictly. They do not value human freedom for they see it as distructive and they believe what they are doing is good in order to secure the biological resources of this world for there own benefit. They desperately need these resources in a universe of many barren worlds our biological resources are a gem. I'm taking blood, plasma, organs, sperm, DNA! Bluefire this is serious and we won't have any peace if we are enslaved to intervening forces here to use us for our biology and whatever other natural resources the earth contains. When you tell resist ET intervention that clearly something traumatic happened I think you are really talking about yourself. Resist ET clearly has this well sorted out and you just can't even grasp it yet you are the one talking about being abducted and seeing owls in your window. Can you describe your experiences in greater detail to help all of us non-abductees to understand the true nature of These Ets from your point of view. This is not a time to bottle things up. We need to know to effectively discern what is going on. You need to know most importantly why this is happening to you and don't just be pacified to your own disempowerment.

[Jake]

I concur with those who posit that there is no such thing as a benevolent abduction! Yet, I know that the contacts being made are not easily received. There are physical AND non-physical aspects of being HUMAN that need to be embraced before we can understand what is happening. Any advanced physical race would have a non-physical counterpart, just like humans. Only, it is more likely that advanced races will have mastered what we call the non-physical, or Astral, or whatever you want to call it. Advanced does not immediately = benevolent.

There has been a recent push, (I have noticed) to try and insist that aliens are only benevolent, or that they do not exist at all. I have to admit,, once one faces down all of their own inner demons, the ET enigma will not (law of attraction) call out to any form of intelligence, other than like minds or benevolent beings. However,, we do not live in a world where the Human experience is free of its own fear/confusion,, etc,,, and that will always augment the attraction of alien beings, physical or not!!

What if one has a past life connection to an alien group? From ones physical perspective,,, a visit from a 'friend' may prove to be quite shocking and fearful. Yet, benevolent...

I had an experience where I was held paralyzed and vibrating while 3 small aliens hovered above me. This was NOT a benevolent experience. They had no right!!!

The most likely place for contact will NOT be in the physical!!! However,,, it WILL be soon...! (Once we re-evaluate our understanding of what physicality is!!) The age of particle physics is OVER!! What remains will be an understanding of ALL worlds (physical/non-physical) as consciousness. It is an amazing journey.

Any benevolent race of being will have gone through this themselves,,,, and would never force a change onto humanity that would cause a premature 'addiction' to them. They cannot bring us out of the fog,, but WE can!!!

The Human/Earth/life/belief system is NOT the only sphere of consciousness that exists!! We are not alone!! Find out what that means for yourself, and you will find yourself in a place that DOES NOT appreciate other forms of consciousness forcing themselves onto ours!!! But DOES appreciate the universal nurturing that exists if you look for it!!

Jake.

[ulli]

What surprised the Borg-like ETs most about humanity is it's diversity...the incredible spectrum
of differences, and to find that some humans are brighter and more powerful than the brightest ET races.
And that is what makes our world so unique- it's exactly BECAUSE we have free will and choice that this diverse spectrum exists in the first place.
And what is the highest attainment of a human seeker?
The discovery that it is possible to manifest stuff simply with intent, or prayer...whichever.

This is what makes us unique and powerful, and will in time show the unwanted ETs the door.
Might even teach them manners and respect.....

[Youniverse]

Abduction by harmless extraterrestrials? That is an oxymoron.

Some of the perspectives offered by pro-ETs are as follows:


That the abductors were brotherly aliens watching over people
That the aliens must be harmless because abductees were returned “unharmed”
That abductees have had psychologically and physically traumatic abduction experiences due to their shortcomings
That the ETs are here to advance humanity scientifically, technologically, and/or spiritually
That the ETs are unaware of human beings’ physical pains that they inflict upon them
That technological advancement automatically indicates spiritual advancement
That all abductees later understood that they were abducted by harmless aliens (an unsubstantiated statement as I know of abductees who most definitely do not understand so)
That there is no proof of the existence of malevolent ETs out there or that all ETs are benevolent as ET-proponents such as Steven Greer would put it

Perhaps readers can see the mindboggling influences extraterrestrial beings are capable of exerting on some people and particularly on abductees, the power of which should not be undermined. Pro-ETs’ perspectives lack rationality to the extent that they welcome, support, and even apologize for the very ETs that have abducted them. Could they have so much understanding and compassion for human kidnappers?

If some strangers camped out in a pro-ET individual’s backyard and took his children in the middle of the night for whatever purposes which were explained to the children as beneficial to them, could he apologize for the strangers as possibly having benevolent excuses for abducting his children? If his children were drugged or otherwise mind-controlled, part or all of their memory of the abduction episodes were suppressed by their abductors, their bodies were raped, probed with needles, and experimented on, their blood was drawn out, and they were told that it is all for their good, could he have so much understanding and compassion for those strangers? Absolutely not? I didn’t say to suppose the strangers were human beings.

These ETs have been in our world for a while and their Intervention has been underway for quite some time now. They have studied human beings’ psychology, social behaviors, physiology, etc. They are apparently able to control brain frequencies of human beings to induce or suppress various feelings or emotions. For example, among other sensations and emotions, during abduction, some abductees were not able to feel any coldness wearing only their pajamas outside in the middle of winter. The ETs, of course, invariably immobilize abductees so that they couldn’t resist. They also immobilize abductees’ loved ones so that they could not save them from being abducted. Harmless ETs? I think not.

Those abductees who have had “brotherly,” “loving,” or “enlightening” experiences must try to recall ALL of their abduction experiences. Why are they able to recall only part of them? What sort of brothers would abduct them out of their beds in the middle of the night and against their will? What sort of spiritually enlightened beings would abduct people in order to manipulate their senses and have them experience “spiritually enlightening” or “loving” feelings, and how does this enlighten the abductees?

I urge those who have had sexually arousing encounters to try to recall every second of all of their abduction episodes. Have they encountered, for example, beautiful Pleiadian females who seduced them? Are they able to recall the entire episodes? A man was able to recall his encounter with such a being that lured him. However, she (or it) then turned into an asymmetrical “monstrous” being that shoved a long tube-like arm down his throat and left a bitter taste in his mouth. Alluring or loving? Hardly.

Some abductees claim to have been “educated” by their extraterrestrial abductors. What exactly did these ETs teach that abductees find helpful either to themselves or others? If it is like the experiences that Stan Romanek have had, perhaps the ETs showed or inserted memory of some mathematical or scientific formula that the abductees could not understand or use or formulae or theories that were already in existence in the relevant fields. How does this help the abductees or help advance humanity in any way? I urge those who have “learned” any subjects from these extraterrestrial beings to recall what it is that they learned exactly (write it down) and ponder upon whether they would be so understanding if any of their school teachers had abducted them out of their beds in the middle of the night and against their will in order to educate them.

I would be extremely callous, to say the least, if I told abductees that it is due to their shortcomings that they are so easily mind-controlled. Yet, there are abductees who believe to have encountered “harmless” ETs and blame other abductees for having had psychologically and physically traumatic abduction experiences, claiming that it is due to their shortcomings that they had such atrocious experiences. Try telling that to rape victims. Yes, any rape victims.

How about the stance that the aliens must be harmless because abductees were returned “unharmed”? I challenge them to define “unharmed.” Are abductees unharmed even though implants were put into their bodies for whatever unknown purposes? Are they unharmed even though they were raped by or forced to have sexual intercourse with extraterrestrials or other human beings whom they do not know? Are they unharmed even though they were forced to carry human-alien hybrids that they never wanted? Are they unharmed even though their blood is drawn out and organs are bottled, as observed by other abductees? Are they unharmed even though they are living with constant fear of not knowing when they will be abducted again? Are they unharmed even though they are living with silence, lest they may be ridiculed and rejected by their fellow human beings? Are they unarmed even though they must cope, for the rest of their lives, with psychological damages resulted from their traumatic abduction experiences? Are they unharmed even though their memory of abduction is suppressed and they do not even realize that they were abducted by extraterrestrials?

Are abductees unharmed even though they are returned so mind-controlled that they believe themselves to have had encounters with “harmless, brotherly” ETs?

No ethical beings (human beings or otherwise) would abduct anyone and deviously persuade their abductees that they are brotherly entities here to advance the abductees intellectually, technologically, or spiritually. None of those advancements require raping abductees or probing their bodies, let alone abduction itself. None of those require taking human blood and DNA.

There is no such thing as abduction by harmless extraterrestrials.

Abduction utterly undermines and violates individual’s fundamental rights.

Let this be understood clearly.

It's not necessarily an oxymoron. If the so-called abductors don't see what they're doing as wrong or harmful, and may have had some kind of contract with the human in between incarnations. Perspective is everything. If someone is missing key pieces of information, they see a fragmented version of reality. On the other hand, if someone is very tramatized and physically harmed during the abduction, it is easy to see how that can be seen as something very negative. When you use the term abduction or abductors, of course there will be a negative connotation and so the following words "harmless ETs" would be contradictory. At any rate it appears to the 'abductee' and most of those around her/him, that there was no agreement with the ETs and so it seems they were taken against their will. The key word here is "appears." Of course it is also quite possible that some ETs may not be spiritually/ethically evolved enough to care about the harm that they may or may not be doing to someone.

[wobbegong]

. . .
So did somebody make a few million copies of this “Ethics of Contact” and hand it out to all the different ET’s that are moseying around our planet so they could understand that they are unethical?
...
I don't believe there is much need for that, as we are being observed, even studied. This is not paranoia, many channellings (the GFL is an obvious one), in fact, show that our behaviours have been modelled and on that basis much material has been disseminated to suit different tastes and preferences and manipulate them in the process. One argument against this is that it's humans, not ETs, doing it, but I personally believe it's an ET agenda.


... You are coming entirely from a human point of view.

We cannot even begin to understand alien intent ...

The human point of view is what counts here, as we are the native race inhabiting this planet, nevertheless, I believe that we actually have gained some understanding of the alien intent, basically from their actions, some of them we mentioned here...abductions, cattle mutilations, GFL channellings and other ones that are obviously manipulative etc., other ones are mentioned in several threads here at Avalon.


. . . .we cant even agree on human intent.
...
I'm sort of with you on that one:( it's what we really need to work on.


...All I can say is my heart goes out to you because it is clear something very traumatic has happened to you. I hope you have someone who can help you sort this out and you can come to some peace.
Let's not dismiss each other's points of view with this kind of 'benevolence'...like 'my heart goes out to you who have been traumatized therefore have no credibility'. Apologies if I misinterpreted it but that's what it struck me as.

I don't believe that the opinions of this thread are that all aliens or ET’s are evil or harmful, and personally I believe that there are spiritually advanced ET races that are destined to become our friends, but they do not interfere with us now.
It is a difficult time for the human family, we need to sort many things out among ourselves before we are ready to have a beneficial contact with other races. We are still having difficulty dealing with diversity among our own races, imagine how we would handle the diversity of an off world race.

[blufire]

You know if I really think hard about it I have never really heard of ‘personal interaction’ (abduction would not be correct term here) with any other alien other than reptilian/grays or evil ET’s.

I have contact (countless?) with both the grays and that I can only identify as a blue orb the size of a beach ball that glows from brilliant jewel blue to blinding white. I have no negative or traumatic feelings to either of these very different contact interactions . . . . I ‘feel’ nothing toward either. Neither is evil or benevolent.

If I had to put a description to them I would describe my encounters with the grays as ‘heavy’, they are so entirely different from our present human form that they are overwhelming and intense. They ‘mostly feel’ sad to me, they ‘feel’ curious and highly intelligent. These are emotions I can only put on’ them if forced to describe in human terms. My encounters with the blue orb are almost solely ‘riveting’ and I have the most missing time with the blue orb(s).

So are both of these life long contact experiences with two very different ET’s both as you describe? Most feel the grays/reptilians are the evil horrible ones. Most think the orbs are somehow the ‘good or benevolent ones' so what or who are the blue orb? Because I have the most missing time with the blue orb(s) then this is some sort of negative abusive alien abduction?



This is our planet and our solar system. It belongs to humanity and humanity alone, and humanity must exercise its rights and responsibilities in securing its border and declaring its sovereignty.

ResistETIntervention . . . . I was reading back through you posts and I think you have possibly lost my interest in this thread any further with the above comment. I believe it is very arrogant and presumptuous of you to make such an outrageous claim to ownership. And how in the hell would we ‘secure our solar systems border’ and why would we even want to? Talk about setting up a scenario with war among worlds.

No wonder our alien cousins (all of the different ones) only have very careful contact and interaction with us.

I want a t-shirt that says ‘I am not with him’ with an arrow pointing at ResistETIntervention . . . . .

[thunder24]

You know if I really think hard about it I have never really heard of ‘personal interaction’ (abduction would not be correct term here) with any other alien other than reptilian/grays or evil ET’s....

heres onyxknights thread....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences--discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.-

[donk]

Benevolence (and malevolence) is relative.

Anything done against my will, or without my consent, is not benevolent to me, even if you are giving me freaky awesome super powers or taking what you just KNOW are necessary steps toward achieving peace on earth...darkness is that, the no light, no love. If you can abduct me, you can clue me in on your intent, that's step one before even considering to think about something as benevolent.

I'll forgive you, if your intent is pure, but that doesn't retroactively make the event benevolent, the ends may justify the means, even to me, in retrospect, but at that time, that here & now it happens...it is not benevolent to me.

[blufire]

Benevolence (and malevolence) is relative.

Anything done against my will, or without my consent, is not benevolent to me, even if you are giving me freaky awesome super powers or taking what you just KNOW are necessary steps toward achieving peace on earth...darkness is that, the no light, no love. If you can abduct me, you can clue me in on your intent, that's step one before even considering to think about something as benevolent.

I'll forgive you, if your intent is pure, but that doesn't retroactively make the event benevolent, the ends may justify the means, even to me, in retrospect, but at that time, that here & now it happens...it is not benevolent to me.

I appreciate much what you have said here.

I wonder though . . . . . Those of us who assign no human dualistic emotion to these encounters seem to have on going or in my case life long contact, albeit many years may go by in between.

I have always found myself just as curious about ‘them’ as they seem to be in me.

I truly thought for many many years that the grays were owls that came to visit in the night. I had many animals friends growing up in the mountains . . .they were my only playmates. It wasn’t until I saw the cover of Whitley Strieber’s book ‘Communion” in the late 80’s that I realized they were in no way owls.

[mevlana]

It is as I keep saying... If they come in Ships, don't trust them.:wizard:


Abduction is malevolent other wise we would call it routine check up.
Abductors ( ETs or military) are malevolent and they do not care or give a thits for subject's well being . If they do care they would ask volunteer subject who were subsequently paid for compensation .
I bet They would find millions of them. if they offer complimentary payment. I am witnessed thousand of them(humans) were ready to messed up their hormone levels, intestinal system integrity , psychological st abilities with joining pharmaceutical companies' research programs for $2000. for 2 or 3 weeks. I always was pity on them for selling their body, their health or time for money.
But in reality it(looking volunteer test subjects) is feasible,less expensive, legal and less complicated then abduction, even for ETs(they do not need offer money only one short space trip offering would do the job.)
If they are not offering any compensation for commitment they are very greedy and malevolent.:eyebrows:

[donk]

I feel you blufire. I'm a self-loathing pet owner. That's what the best case scenario is, a beneficial outcome, from truly well intended beings that feel that they can't explain on the same level, so treat us like treasured family members, only to reveal to us later when we can understand

But just taking a pet or a child from its bio parents, it is abduction. The exception is not even really in the se category... this only truly benevolent act is in a "rescue" situation. I would not call that an "abduction".

[mevlana]

You are right. Oxymoron. The supposed (we cannot intervene, therefore we cannot help/get involved, yadayadayada). Well, invading someones dreamstate, abducting, sending telepathic messages, even crop circles, are all some type of intervention or another, therefore their law means nothing

Just curious Sidney . . . how else would an alien race communicate with us?

So then I suppose all aliens or ET’s are evil or harmful by the opinions of this thread?



Abduction utterly undermines and violates individual’s fundamental rights.

Why do we feel that we are correct when we judge something that is completely different than we are in ‘human’ terms?

How would an alien race know what an individuals fundamental rights are . . . . I don’t even know what an individuals human rights are . . . and I bet if we asked 1000 people we would get 1000 different answers.

We wonder why the ET’s aren’t more obvious and direct in communicating and interacting with us . . . . well this thread imo is a very good example and reason why.

Just a thought.

So then I suppose all aliens or ET’s are evil or harmful by the opinions of this thread? IMHO is definitely true. If you see a cat stealing some newly gave birth dog's puppies and killing or hurting them and not interfere the cat's action for mother nature law's sake I would call same naming to you. We(I assume you ,I and others) are human we have(or should have had) compassion, love, empathy and expect same for our selves.
Why do we feel that we are correct when we judge something that is completely different than we are in ‘human’ terms?
If it related with me(as a human) of course I would judge in human terms. It would be very weird if I would look Kardasians terms to react the situation. :confused:

[ResistETIntervention]

Sorry Resist, its just a gathering of this idea from a variety of threads ive visited here on Avalon over the past year- so i cant give a specific source.I am interested in the idea as it had been mentioned on some of these threads that the contactee had forgotten their contract which may have been instigated in a far previous life, lb
I wouldn’t know what to say about “past life agreements with ETs.” If you could please post links to the threads where you read about the topic when you come across them again, I might have a better idea of what you mean.

[ResistETIntervention]

The ETs have been clandestinely invading our world and carrying out certain activities for some time now. They have been studying human psychology, physiology, social behaviors, etc. Of course they know that human beings would regard their invasion unethical. Of course they already know that other races in the local universe would regard their “visitation” and activities in our world unethical. If humanity did not welcome the ET Intervention and resisted these ETs, then other races of the Greater Community of Worlds will be able to observe our resistance movement, and then these ETs will have no choice but to leave our solar system. That is the reason that they have been carrying out their sinister activities covertly. They need human beings to remain ignorant about their “visitation,” in denial of it, welcoming it, or at least neutral about it. In order to keep people in one of those four states, they have been casting the Pacification Program upon humanity.

You can see the mindboggling pervasiveness of the program everywhere in the world


I cannot wrap my head around this. You are coming entirely from a human point of view. The reason that you cannot “wrap your head around this” is that your mind is being controlled by your extraterrestrial abductors. You’re displaying all the symptoms of an abductee returned mind-controlled and now welcoming, supporting, and even apologizing for your abductors.


We cannot even begin to understand alien intent . . . .we cant even agree on human intent. That is partially correct. Human beings still tolerate diversity in thoughts, beliefs, cultures, values, opinions,... However, the ETs do not value such qualities viewing them as chaotic. Their society is a hierarchical system in which individuals are strictly controlled by their superiors, with very little freedom for individuals and few identifiable distinctions among individuals. So the intent of these extraterrestrials is quite single-minded, focused, and clear: to overtake this world covertly for the access of resources. They do not deviate from their goals.


All I can say is my heart goes out to you because it is clear something very traumatic has happened to you. I hope you have someone who can help you sort this out and you can come to some peace.
I have absolutely no recollection of ever being abducted by any extraterrestrial beings. While it is true that any one of us could have been abducted by extraterrestrial beings unbeknownst to ourselves, you are one of the abductees who do remember having been abducted. So chances are you are the one who has experienced traumatic incidences, even if you don’t recollect them or recollect only the pleasant(?) memories (with missing times) that were inserted by them or that you were rendered to think you experienced.

I don’t know whether it is possible to awaken abductees returned mind-controlled to realize that what the ETs put them through is unethical and most likely horrific, or whether they can recall each and every one of their abduction episode in its entirety.

Only you can answer that for yourself.

[ResistETIntervention]

Most feel the grays/reptilians are the evil horrible ones. Most think the orbs are somehow the ‘good or benevolent ones' so what or who are the blue orb? Because I have the most missing time with the blue orb(s) then this is some sort of negative abusive alien abduction? Your missing time with the blue orbs is the very part of your abduction episodes that you need to recall desperately for your sake. Are you somehow more attracted to the “blue orb(s)” than grays/reptilians abductors? How will you know that the orbs were not a projection of image of the grays/reptilian abductors? Do the blue orbs arouse “loving” feelings in you? As I have stated in one of the previous posts, you do not want to trust what you see, hear, or feel in the vicinity of ETs, as they are capable of projecting images and manipulating your emotions and what your senses report to you.


I believe it is very arrogant and presumptuous of you to make such an outrageous claim to ownership. And how in the hell would we ‘secure our solar systems border’ and why would we even want to? Talk about setting up a scenario with war among worlds. I have already mentioned how we would secure our border: by declaring human sovereignty (http://www.humansovereignty.org/).

Our local universe which consists of about 5000 solar systems is occupied by worlds that have been long established with long-standing commerce and trade relationships. In order to keep their trade routes clear of troubles, they have also established rules and regulations which they adhere to, lest they may disrupt trade relationships. Under such regulations, the ETs are not allowed to conquer any world by force. Through their experiences, they have come to realize that there are no winners in wars using high-tech armaments that destroy precious environments. So, should any world attempt to overtake another world by force, there would be hundreds of worlds attempting to suppress that one world that it would be a futile attempt to even try such method. Thus, the ETs have learned to employ more subtle and sophisticated methods in any endeavors to conquer another world: persuasions and manipulations in the mental environment.

The fact that a world can be conquered, albeit through the use of a different sort of weapons which humanity has little comprehension about, indicates that there are wars occurring in the local universe, not physical wars, but battles in the mental environment. It would be utterly naïve to presume that ETs are spiritually advanced because they are technologically advanced.

It’s important to note here that ET agents (ETs, human-alien hybrids, abductees returned mind-controlled, and also perhaps human beings that have fallen under the ETs’ persuasion) are the ones who adamantly reject the idea of humanity’s declaring its sovereignty in the solar system, for that would be the only way to force the ETs out of the solar system.

Contemplate upon that. If you can...

[thunder24]

how did we get here for them to intervene with us? How do you know?

If "they" put us here or "created" us, would we not b "their" property until we as a planet stood up and said "no more", as one voice?! ...and until that time we would b looked at as property no? Do you tell others what to do with their property, do you like it when you are told what to do with your property?

I did not like my mom and dad taking me to the doctor when i was young, and making me get shots... that was against my will... unethical you could say... malevolent you cold say... benevolent you could say... responsible you could say...

How do you know 100%

feed the world
peace


The ETs have been clandestinely invading our world and carrying out certain activities for some time now. They have been studying human psychology, physiology, social behaviors, etc. Of course they know that human beings would regard their invasion unethical. Of course they already know that other races in the local universe would regard their “visitation” and activities in our world unethical. If humanity did not welcome the ET Intervention and resisted these ETs, then other races of the Greater Community of Worlds will be able to observe our resistance movement, and then these ETs will have no choice but to leave our solar system. That is the reason that they have been carrying out their sinister activities covertly. They need human beings to remain ignorant about their “visitation,” in denial of it, welcoming it, or at least neutral about it. In order to keep people in one of those four states, they have been casting the Pacification Program upon humanity.

You can see the mindboggling pervasiveness of the program everywhere in the world


I cannot wrap my head around this. You are coming entirely from a human point of view. The reason that you cannot “wrap your head around this” is that your mind is being controlled by your extraterrestrial abductors. You’re displaying all the symptoms of an abductee returned mind-controlled and now welcoming, supporting, and even apologizing for your abductors.


We cannot even begin to understand alien intent . . . .we cant even agree on human intent. That is partially correct. Human beings still tolerate diversity in thoughts, beliefs, cultures, values, opinions,... However, the ETs do not value such qualities viewing them as chaotic. Their society is a hierarchical system in which individuals are strictly controlled by their superiors, with very little freedom for individuals and few identifiable distinctions among individuals. So the intent of these extraterrestrials is quite single-minded, focused, and clear: to overtake this world covertly for the access of resources. They do not deviate from their goals.


All I can say is my heart goes out to you because it is clear something very traumatic has happened to you. I hope you have someone who can help you sort this out and you can come to some peace.
I have absolutely no recollection of ever being abducted by any extraterrestrial beings. While it is true that any one of us could have been abducted by extraterrestrial beings unbeknownst to ourselves, you are one of the abductees who do remember having been abducted. So chances are you are the one who has experienced traumatic incidences, even if you don’t recollect them or recollect only the pleasant(?) memories (with missing times) that were inserted by them or that you were rendered to think you experienced.

I don’t know whether it is possible to awaken abductees returned mind-controlled to realize that what the ETs put them through is unethical and most likely horrific, or whether they can recall each and every one of their abduction episode in its entirety.

Only you can answer that for yourself.

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Most feel the grays/reptilians are the evil horrible ones. Most think the orbs are somehow the ‘good or benevolent ones' so what or who are the blue orb? Because I have the most missing time with the blue orb(s) then this is some sort of negative abusive alien abduction? Your missing time with the blue orbs is the very part of your abduction episodes that you need to recall desperately for your sake. Are you somehow more attracted to the “blue orb(s)” than grays/reptilians abductors? How will be you certain that the orbs were not a projection of image of the grays/reptilian abductors? Do the blue orbs arouse “loving” feelings in you? As I have stated in one of the previous posts, you do not want to trust what you see, hear, or feel in the vicinity of ETs, as they are capable of projecting images and manipulating what your senses report to you.


I believe it is very arrogant and presumptuous of you to make such an outrageous claim to ownership. And how in the hell would we ‘secure our solar systems border’ and why would we even want to? Talk about setting up a scenario with war among worlds. I have already mentioned how we would secure our border: by declaring human sovereignty (http://www.humansovereignty.org/).

Our local universe which consists of about 5000 solar systems is occupied by worlds that have been long established with long-standing commerce and trade relationships. In order to keep their trade routes clear of troubles, they have also established rules and regulations which they adhere to, lest they may disrupt trade relationships. Under such regulations, the ETs are not allowed to conquer any world by force. Through their experiences, they have come to realize that there are no winners in wars using high-tech armaments that destroy precious environments. So, should any world attempt to overtake another world by force, there would be hundreds of worlds attempting to suppress that one world that it would be a futile attempt to even try such method. Thus, the ETs have learned to employ more subtle and sophisticated methods in any endeavors to conquer another world: persuasions and manipulations in the mental environment.

The fact that a world can be conquered, albeit by a different sort of weapons which humanity has little comprehension about, indicates that there are wars occurring in the local universe, not physical wars, but battles in the mental environment. It would be utterly naïve to presume that ETs are spiritually advanced because they are technologically advanced.

It’s important to note here that ET agents (ETs, human-alien hybrids, abductees returned mind-controlled, and also perhaps human beings that have fallen under the ETs’ persuasion) are the only ones who adamantly reject the idea of humanity’s declaring its sovereignty in the solar system, for that would be the only way to force the ETs out of the solar system.

Contemplate upon that. If you can...

hhhmmm you post right before me
what i mean...hhhmm

[QUOTE=ResistETIntervention;696593
It’s important to note here that ET agents (ETs, human-alien hybrids, abductees returned mind-controlled, and also perhaps human beings that have fallen under the ETs’ persuasion) are the only ones who adamantly reject the idea of humanity’s declaring its sovereignty in the solar system, for that would be the only way to force the ETs out of the solar system.

Contemplate upon that. If you can...[/QUOTE]

why the solar system, do you know if there are humans on another planet, do you know if another life form was born on another planet in the solar system? I 'v never been to pluto... I hear Uranus is sideways... :heh:...but i dnt know....

[ResistETIntervention]

No wonder our alien cousins (all of the different ones) only have very careful contact and interaction with us. This is another one of the tricks that ET Intervention casts upon some of the abductees that can easily be mind-controlled. The ETs attempt to create a bond with the abductees by implanting in them the false ideas that they are our ancestors, space brothers or cousins, or friends from outer space here to help human race. It is very unfortunate that abductees returned mind-controlled are manipulated to believe this.

Is it truly fortunate that easily mind-controlled abductees believe that they had “non-hostile” treatments by extraterrestrial ETs, even though they don’t even recall their abduction episodes in its entirety? Or is it unfortunate that their minds now belong to the ET Intervention, for they are now a casualty in a battle who has become enslaved by the ETs?

Such abductees’ words will reflect the intention of the ET Intervention that is here to conquer this world.

[ResistETIntervention]

Nanoo Nanoo, what might be your intention of posting those youtube videos? Are you trying to indicate that ETs are harmless and even endearing as they are portrayed in movies? I think your login name came from the TV sitcom “Mork and Mindy” and your youtube videos are film clips. Please note that Hollywood, whether intentionally to obfuscate the public or out of bravado or false hopes, has been misportraying the ET Intervention.

It is a grave mistake to presume that the ETs in reality are like those (mis)portrayed in many of the Hollywood movies.

[ResistETIntervention]

It's not necessarily an oxymoron. If the so-called abductors don't see what they're doing as wrong or harmful, and may have had some kind of contract with the human in between incarnations. Perspective is everything. If someone is missing key pieces of information, they see a fragmented version of reality. On the other hand, if someone is very tramatized and physically harmed during the abduction, it is easy to see how that can be seen as something very negative. When you use the term abduction or abductors, of course there will be a negative connotation and so the following words "harmless ETs" would be contradictory. At any rate it appears to the 'abductee' and most of those around her/him, that there was no agreement with the ETs and so it seems they were taken against their will. The key word here is "appears." Of course it is also quite possible that some ETs may not be spiritually/ethically evolved enough to care about the harm that they may or may not be doing to someone.
How would you term abduction by harmless ETs? Are you implying that you were not abducted, but you had “a contract between incarnations” with these ETs to take you away to their spaceships? Could you elaborate on your abduction experiences in its entirety?

As you mentioned the key word is “appears.” If it appeared as though you didn’t have any traumatic experiences during your abduction, it is merely appearance.

[ResistETIntervention]

Thankyou for this thread ResistETIntervention. On the points you listed I would also add the disgusting lie that Greer is trying to disseminate:
"...We exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made. ..." (page 25 of 'dead man's trigger')
I think this can be the topic of another thread.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Bluefire I think it is odd that you feel nothing toward these experiences. You say they are neither malevolent or benevolent. That sounds as if you are quite pacified to the situation. You should be able to feel some emotion towards these experiences unless of course your senses are being manipulated during the experience and afterwards you don't know what to think of it really because you have no memory of the feeling and emotion of the experience that it truly was. There surely is a reason why you would feel nothing. You have no control of your life if you are neutral about things. So you say you feel something towards the Ets but what do you really know about them. Do you think they abduct you simply because of a fascination of human beings. Have you actually agreed to this abduction or contact. I think the past life excuse is rediculous because you always have the power to say no or the right to have been told in great detail and clarification of how and when this past life or in between life agreement came to be. God would not be a part of this because god knows we could not possibly discern effectively wither what we are being told is the truth. We are like children just going out to the city for the first time, but the city is the universe of intelligent life of great complexity and diversity. It has been said that the first to come to an emerging world such as ours would not be here for our benefit though they would make it seem so to those who can not see. our allies are out there I assure you. But they are not here now because they know we are not ready for them, because we can not possible discern friend from foe at this time. That is why we must declare our human Soveriegnty over this planet and this solar system. So that we may have the time to prepare and choose with greater understanding and discernment who will associate with. Do not be childish and foolish in this. We are emerging into a greater community of intelligent life and we do not have the upper hand. This is the physical universe we the separated are reclaimed through knowledge, the deeper knowing mind which god has given you. Call it what you may, But do not be fooled these ETs and the innocence they portray. It is such a grand mistake. They have been practicing and improving there powers in the mental environment to a very great degree for a long time! We do not possibly have the focus at this time to effectively counter even the strongest of ETs. To those who laugh at this you are supremely arrogant and ignorant of what is happening and what will happen if we don't counteract the intervention of our world at this time.

Let knowledge be your guide the deepest part of your being!

[mojo]

We can listen to the words of the late John Mack which Im referencing on page 43 of his book Abduction and he says it best.

"Needless to say, abductions profoundly affect the lives of those who experience them. These effects are traumatic and disturbing, but they can also be transforming, leading to significant personal change and spiritual growth."

My hope is that the thread will not morph into all ET's are bad thread, which is somewhat ironic from the comment above on Greer.

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[778 neighbour of some guy]

Most feel the grays/reptilians are the evil horrible ones. Most think the orbs are somehow the ‘good or benevolent ones' so what or who are the blue orb? Because I have the most missing time with the blue orb(s) then this is some sort of negative abusive alien abduction? Your missing time with the blue orbs is the very part of your abduction episodes that you need to recall desperately for your sake. Are you somehow more attracted to the “blue orb(s)” than grays/reptilians abductors? How will you know that the orbs were not a projection of image of the grays/reptilian abductors? Do the blue orbs arouse “loving” feelings in you? As I have stated in one of the previous posts, you do not want to trust what you see, hear, or feel in the vicinity of ETs, as they are capable of projecting images and manipulating your emotions and what your senses report to you.


I believe it is very arrogant and presumptuous of you to make such an outrageous claim to ownership. And how in the hell would we ‘secure our solar systems border’ and why would we even want to? Talk about setting up a scenario with war among worlds. I have already mentioned how we would secure our border: by declaring human sovereignty (http://www.humansovereignty.org/).

Our local universe which consists of about 5000 solar systems is occupied by worlds that have been long established with long-standing commerce and trade relationships. In order to keep their trade routes clear of troubles, they have also established rules and regulations which they adhere to, lest they may disrupt trade relationships. Under such regulations, the ETs are not allowed to conquer any world by force. Through their experiences, they have come to realize that there are no winners in wars using high-tech armaments that destroy precious environments. So, should any world attempt to overtake another world by force, there would be hundreds of worlds attempting to suppress that one world that it would be a futile attempt to even try such method. Thus, the ETs have learned to employ more subtle and sophisticated methods in any endeavors to conquer another world: persuasions and manipulations in the mental environment.

The fact that a world can be conquered, albeit by a different sort of weapons which humanity has little comprehension about, indicates that there are wars occurring in the local universe, not physical wars, but battles in the mental environment. It would be utterly naïve to presume that ETs are spiritually advanced because they are technologically advanced.

It’s important to note here that ET agents (ETs, human-alien hybrids, abductees returned mind-controlled, and also perhaps human beings that have fallen under the ETs’ persuasion) are the ones who adamantly reject the idea of humanity’s declaring its sovereignty in the solar system, for that would be the only way to force the ETs out of the solar system.

Contemplate upon that. If you can...

I have a picture of me with a HUGE blue orb in the background, a smaller red and green one right above it, anybody REALLY knows what this means, it would mean a lot to me, SRSLY!!!

I am done with guessing/ speculating and need some real answers and even need to know how to get rid of them, because it hurts when they make contact ( between my shoulder blades, like some attachment in rammed in my back or is violently pulled out, it feels like I am being kicked around in my bed, when it gets yanked out I am always awake and I bounce about a feet up in the air, very tiresome). I have posted this before but only met dead silence in response

So again, if anyone KNOWS, not guesses, please tell me, I am done trying to act like a tough guy, f@ck them usually crappy ufo videos, this is a very much unwanted spiritual/energetic component that has to go.

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[wobbegong]

...
My hope is that the thread will not morph into all ET's are bad thread, which is somewhat ironic from the comment above on Greer.
If you are referring to this comment

On the points you listed I would also add the disgusting lie that Greer is trying to disseminate:
"...We exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made. ..." (page 25 of 'dead man's trigger')
could you pls explain? Because I don't see any connection with an 'all ET's are bad' position, but rather one exposing a big lie that is clearly against humanity.

Concerning the 'all ET's are bad' issue, I think that what happened on other threads is that statements like 'it is not a good time for ET's to interfere with human affairs, given the situation etc. etc., therefore the ones that are here are not here for our benefit etc.' are translated into 'all ET's are bad'.
Greer in his documentary even went as far as associating to Nazis any caution on the issue - that is definitely a clear indication of a pro Alien agenda...it probably should be a topic for another thread.
So, as I mentioned earlier, I believe there are good beings out there, but they know that this is not the right time to establish an allegiance with us...I would love to meet them, but I believe it won't happen soon.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

778 the light is clearly a byproduct of the flash on your camera. It is because of the angle you held your camera at that you see the light above your head. Now that's no to say there is something real going on with you and the pain you feel in your back. Try this out and tell me if it helps. Clasp both hands behind your back and bend your elbows which will straighten your posture then straighten your arms until they are straight, away from your back and you have to bend down and the look up squeezing the muscles In between your scapulas. This stretch deals with the pericardium which actually has a lot to do with being open and spirituality. Also it has to do with sleep disorders and this may help you sleep.

I wish you well...

[donk]

Wish I could help you bro (to the artist formerly known as the plumber), all I can say is that I know somebody that suffers something similar (but way different, if you know what I mean). I think reaching out is all you can do at a certain point.

I also think if you keep at it, you will be answered (eventually, and likely in an expected way). Stay as positive as you can. (That's what I tell myself). I hope you find relief

[778 neighbour of some guy]

778 the light is clearly a byproduct of the flash on your camera. It is because of the angle you held your camera at that you see the light above your head. Now that's no to say there is something real going on with you and the pain you feel in your back. Try this out and tell me if it helps. Clasp both hands behind your back and bend your elbows which will straighten your posture then straighten your arms until they are straight, away from your back and you have to bend down and the look up squeezing the muscles In between your scapulas. This stretch deals with the pericardium which actually has a lot to do with being open and spirituality. Also it has to do with sleep disorders and this may help you sleep.

The stretches I do on a daily basis for years so that's not it either, thank you for your advice.

I wish you well...

Hi thanks for your response,

the red ones in front of at waist height are are camera flash response, the above are clearly not, that I know for a fact, there is an other image that would previously NOT upload for some strange reason where the blue orb is more flattened out is much higher ( floats near the ceiling), in the posted image it has changed shape is now round and much lower, I have posted about this before but got zero response that time, what I said was this image was taken on a sunny day in a room with open curtains flooded with daylight, yet the picture itself ended up dark as it is, if it wasn't for this strange picture I would have never known something was up there, and if it wasn't for all these other circumstances I would have never ever considered posted this, something is up here and I know it, only the red orbs on waist and flash height are camera images.

Thank you for your response.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Wish I could help you bro (to the artist formerly known as the plumber), all I can say is that I know somebody that suffers something similar (but way different, if you know what I mean). I think reaching out is all you can do at a certain point.

I also think if you keep at it, you will be answered (eventually, and likely in an expected way). Stay as positive as you can. (That's what I tell myself). I hope you find relief

Thanks Donk, I am sure I am not the only one here who has to deal with this sort of vague stuff, its like some is filling up its tank with my energy and has to make contact HARD to achieve this, strangest thing I always feel it coming on slow, a little faster and then WHAMMO, and I go like "ooompfff, sh!t not again eh, please f@ck off and leave me alone". To me it has the feeling of being very much connected with those pesky hard to prove psychic attacks, and it sucks, who, why and how do I make it stop, that's all I am interested in.

Do you personally share this sort of experience btw? And if its not you to who do I reach out, feel free t pm me man, I will respect the others privacy if that's the question, this other person would also have to agree about being in contact regarding this subject of course.

Thanks man, your response is very much appreciated.

Ed

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Its come here too , the fear agenda against the aliens .. lol

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Its come here too , the fear agenda against the aliens .. lol

I see no fear agenda, I see a discussion about why agendas should be hidden and a lack of confidence in our intelligence and willingness to co operate in the open, this goes for humans and whatever is out there as well.

If you want something from me, we should both benefit from the deal, to me that's respect, friendship, love, good morals and good business on the material and emotional and spiritual levels.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Its come here too , the fear agenda against the aliens .. lol

I see no fear agenda, I see a discussion about why agendas should be hidden and a lack of confidence in our intelligence and willingness to co operate in the open, this goes for humans and whatever is out there as well.

If you want something from me, we should both benefit from the deal, to me that's respect, friendship, love, good morals and good business on the material and emotional and spiritual levels.

It is a fear agenda. I see a whole bunch of new people here whose sole purpose is to push the alien fear agenda. Its so obvious its not even funny.

am i the only one who sees a whole lot of holes in this propoganda with absolutely no solid evidence ? ( i know im not the only one )

I just get really taken by people whose immaginations have run rampant with finger pointing about things that are only marginally real at best.

Id say that of all alien encounter material reported 87% is not even remotely accurate. And as far as abductions is concerned i hate to sound contrary to the truly genuine experiencers out there , i do not want to dis respect them but this whole alien fear propoganda is imo a total dis respectation ( yet another term i have made up ) of people who have had genuine experiences.

I understand speculation of possibilities , yes i respect that but people speak as though its been confirmed ... The queen is a lizzard , our prime ministerial opposition is a cyborg robot , the aliens want to take over our planet ! yeah .. what for ? tell me one good reason you would want to take over this planet ? Why now ? why when they have had so many opportunities in the past befoe we became informed and intelligent ( which is debateable ) .

Can anybody come up with a truly convincing argument as to what would be gained by this slow clandestine take over ? Dont you think that if they were , and its somehow illegal in the alien courts , lets say , that if we picked up on it wouldnt their oppositions definitely knwo and take action against them ?! i mean i cannot phathom one truly good argument for conquering this planet.

there are thousands like it all through our galaxy un inhabited. why this one ? because they want our souls thats it ! yeah lets get some souls ! man i shake my head at the sadness that has gripped humanity and how so many of you are going right into the propoganda nest. . .

not only is it a silly proposition there is so much evidense to the contrary and you knwo who is holding the smoking gun ?

We cant even control our own human governments and we fantasise about aliens and controlling them ? or getting upset that they observe us ? there is not a lot you can do about it so why go down this road of useless debate ? its totally pointless.

sorry for the rant but i feel like the last year the fear propoganda has flooded Avalon and its a sad state of affairs for common sense.

ugh

[donk]

Wish I could help you bro (to the artist formerly known as the plumber), all I can say is that I know somebody that suffers something similar (but way different, if you know what I mean). I think reaching out is all you can do at a certain point.

I also think if you keep at it, you will be answered (eventually, and likely in an expected way). Stay as positive as you can. (That's what I tell myself). I hope you find relief

Thanks Donk, I am sure I am not the only one here who has to deal with this sort of vague stuff, its like some is filling up its tank with my energy and has to make contact HARD to achieve this, strangest thing I always feel it coming on slow, a little faster and then WHAMMO, and I go like "ooompfff, sh!t not again eh, please f@ck off and leave me alone". To me it has the feeling of being very much connected with those pesky hard to prove psychic attacks, and it sucks, who, why and how do I make it stop, that's all I am interested in.

Do you personally share this sort of experience btw? And if its not you to who do I reach out, feel free t pm me man, I will respect the others privacy if that's the question, this other person would also have to agree about being in contact regarding this subject of course.

Thanks man, your response is very much appreciated.

Ed

I personally have little to no sensitivity--or at least recognition of what I’m feeling—when it comes to anything beyond the 5 sense/3D reality. I do personally have much experience with people who are extremely sensitive, and seem to attract that into my life somehow. I have witnessed first-hand effects of entities messing with the environment, and once—at the suggestion just like you said “I just want them gone!” witnessed the speaker being like punched in the stomach while oversurge of energy made the lightbulb go superbright before burning out…she extremely ill til we moved out the location and she got them out of her mind. This was the most concrete, that solidified my suspicions of the subtler “coincidences” and anomalous occurances.

So I got something slightly different going on, I think. I almost feel like I can’t be directly attacked for some reason, or they know my only fear is causing harm to others, so they don’t bother going after me, they hit me where it really hurts. Or both. …..or neither….i dunno, but it sucks, especially when it seems there are so many people that claim it’s a piece of cake to get rid of negative bad sh!t, but it’s always, “you can do it yourself”. Sure, maybe, but wouldn’t help if showed me how? I need visuals, if I ever saw someone successfully doing it, it would be much easier for me to even try (I worry I will make things worse, as that is what history has shown me when I try to do something above my experience level).

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Well I think it is important to consider where you are focusing your energies. What is it in you that would allow something to drain your energy. Perhaps a lifestyle change is necessary to counter whatever these orbs / entities are. If you are unable to focus on this or have a hectic life perhaps it is actually something that is causing you to change your lifestyle for your benefit even though you may not perceive what that benefit is for some time. And Nanoo Nanoo this really isn't about fear. It is about preparing for something so much greater than anything the world has ever know. And truly you lack common sense if you can't see why they would want our world. In fact the may not care for worlds that are uninhibited because one of the main resources sought after in the greater community of intelligent life is biological resources. They have waited until this time in order to create destabilization in our world as we advance technologically as we near greater unity a greater usefulness for them and before we become truly self empowered, self determined, and self suficient, in our world. We are so vulnerable to these influences now. If you were a world leader and were promised world dominion and advanced technology would you take it? This if implamented will make us dependent upon them and soon then they could enforce demands upon us.They can use our infrustracture in fact and everything we have put in place to support there agenda here. They need us to work for them essentially. It is a process of acquisition and pacification so that we begin to accept there presence here and believe they are actually going to help us. Truly how could any visiting race actually help us if not only to gift us with wisdom and knowledge. To self empower us. It is bad for humanity to have premature exposure to the greater community intervening in this world because we are not ready for them. Regardless of all the things I am say which may sound like pure fascination and fear tactics. It is really about getting humanity up and going again. preserving our world and create a world that is sustainably and that can deal with influences beyond our border. Do you really think we would remain a secure, immature, and isolated race forever. Surely we would destroy ourselves within the century if that was the case. We are evolving, there is a greater community out there and intervening forces here now. Whether you like it or not we are emerging into the greater community. Nanoo Nanoo, you can either ridicule the warning. Criticize the warning, pick it apart into little pieces. Or you can prepare. Securing your life as a result and the lives of those around you for generations to come. Living in a free world, strong and self determined, wise/ discreet in our affairs, and powerful in the mental environment.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

778 perhaps a cat would help with your energy environment. They are very sensitive to energies and they maintain a wide field of energy in which would encompass there entire accessible area whether outside or inside. I have cats they help with meditation and focusing. I think they also could help keep away whatever is bothering you. If you don't have any cats. Try to spend some time with some wherever you can find them. But not wild cats, unless they are friendly like a normal house cat.

I hope you can take care of this for yourself and be more present In this world as a result. Perhaps even a hypnosis or regression therapy would help. Are you familiar with Brian Weiss ? He does past life regression. But all this is for another thread so I will say no more.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

On to the topic at hand I thought some of you might like this video just released today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZezTsbywqg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Nanoo Nanoo perhaps you are just afraid of the truth. I can't convince you of anything nor will I try I only seek to engage in meaningful discussion of what I perceive to be a great turning point for humanity. It is so easy to be narrow sighted about this. But really the process of emerging into a greater community is not much different than the great explorers in history who would come upon new lands in search of resources take them and inslave and exploit the native inhabitants. I'm not saying litteraly we will be enslaved. It is much more discreet than that. In fact if the interventions plan works and I mean really works many people really would not even know about it. They would be totally pacified to the reality and most likely all the anger would be directed at the people we need to be building relationships with. It is a long hard confusing road to travel. And it starts with you. And our relationships all around us. Let's begin today!

[wobbegong]

On to the topic at hand I thought some of you might like this video just released today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZezTsbywqg&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Thankyou LIVING for KNOWLEDGE, great vid...you know, I found that material when I was a member of the old Avalon forum (freedive was my nickname), I just found an old thread that you may be interested in: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19791
I think I found it before this thread but it was thanks to Avalon...I wonder if Steven from Temiscouata is still around...Steven, if you read this can you pls contact me?

[ResistETIntervention]

I have a picture of me with a HUGE blue orb in the background, a smaller red and green one right above it, anybody REALLY knows what this means, it would mean a lot to me, SRSLY!!!

I am done with guessing/ speculating and need some real answers and even need to know how to get rid of them, because it hurts when they make contact ( between my shoulder blades, like some attachment in rammed in my back or is violently pulled out, it feels like I am being kicked around in my bed, when it gets yanked out I am always awake and I bounce about a feet up in the air, very tiresome). I have posted this before but only met dead silence in response

So again, if anyone KNOWS, not guesses, please tell me, I am done trying to act like a tough guy, f@ck them usually crappy ufo videos, this is a very much unwanted spiritual/energetic component that has to go.

I feel badly for you, 778 neighbour of some guy. I myself get psychical attacks time to time, particularly when I declare human sovereignty (http://www.humansovereignty.org/).

Out of curiosity,
- Are you able to move freely while these orbs appear? It seems that way, since you were able to get up and take a photograph of yourself with the orbs behind you.
- Do the orbs stay in one place? That is, how were you able to look in the mirror with the orbs behind you, when you were taking the photo?
- Does this occur frequently?
- Do your specific pains you described always accompany the orbs, one large blue orb with one red and green orb above it? Also, vice versa?
- What do you think those orbs are?

[ResistETIntervention]

LIVING for KNOWLEDGE and wobbegong, thank you for the links for the video and thread. They do resonate within me.

[ResistETIntervention]

We can listen to the words of the late John Mack which Im referencing on page 43 of his book Abduction and he says it best.

"Needless to say, abductions profoundly affect the lives of those who experience them. These effects are traumatic and disturbing, but they can also be transforming, leading to significant personal change and spiritual growth."

My hope is that the thread will not morph into all ET's are bad thread, which is somewhat ironic from the comment above on Greer.

In your opinion, what did John Mack mean when he stated that abductions can lead to significant personal change and spiritual growth? In what ways do you agree with him?

No, all extraterrestrial races aren’t “bad.” However, the word “bad” is too simplistic. It would be more appropriate to state that ALL the ETs that are present in our world and in our solar system currently are self-serving ETs that are here to exploit the weak and divided human race in order to gain human allegiance and take control of the world for the access of its resources. In the physical reality, acquisition of resources is a major concern for all, and the stronger ones will attempt to dominate the weaker ones for that purpose, if they can. They themselves or even you may not regard them as “bad,” but their goal is to exploit weak and divided humanity to rob our sovereignty and self-determination. We, human race, stand to lose our freedom, if enough us does not take the correct actions to thwart the ET Intervention. We should regard the ET Intervention the way Native Americans should have regarded the westerners: with wisdom, discernment, discretion, caution, and authority.

Those that could be our potential allies are not here in our solar system currently.

In case you believe that Steven Greer or anyone else has proved that there are no ETs that have abducted human beings, you might want to check out these youtube videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afoaRvjypN0 (Homicide detective Butch Witkowski)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmB1PflaK8 (Homicide detective Butch Witkowski)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNBwYcqjisg (Ray Fowler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1BgvmO4 (Dr. Roger Leir Presents New Startling Findings: Alien Implant Research)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKV-LhFW4WU (Dr. Roger Leir)


A hoax is a claim that “we have exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made.” In order to prove that all abductions and mutilations are man-made, one would have to prove that it is a hoax for each and every single case of abduction and mutilation cases. Clearly he has not done that, as there are many, many abductees who have not even had a single interview with him and there are abductees who have been abducted unbeknownst to themselves.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Okay I just finished reading that thread you posted wobbegong. It is very good. I followed a link from that thread into another thread which discusses the C channeling. It consist of a large body of texts around 1700 pages. It say she took 15 years to prepare receiving this and her channel go into detail about the intervention. She say awareness will save us. Knowledge will save us. We can not stop them but awareness will change things over time. We must be unified to truly make a difference! Here is the thread http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19401&page=2. It continues into the new Avalon forum on page 2. I highly recommend taking a look so we can discern this material and discuss further.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

By the way when I say we can not stop them I mean the channelling says that they can not interfere because of the law of free will. It is necessary for races to evolve independently withought interferrance in order to adapt to truly be strong and self sufficient. But what can be given is the knowledge and wisdom to help us. These channelings infacize the need to prepare for what is coming and what is already here. And when i say they say they can not interfere it is from the point of view to truly do good for humanity. Races can interfere But they won't be doing what is truly best for our growth.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

we can listen to the words of the late john mack which im referencing on page 43 of his book abduction and he says it best.

"needless to say, abductions profoundly affect the lives of those who experience them. These effects are traumatic and disturbing, but they can also be transforming, leading to significant personal change and spiritual growth."

my hope is that the thread will not morph into all et's are bad thread, which is somewhat ironic from the comment above on greer.

in your opinion, what did john mack mean when he stated that abductions can lead to significant personal change and spiritual growth? In what ways do you agree with him?

No, all extraterrestrial races aren’t “bad.” however, the word “bad” is too simplistic. It would be more appropriate to state that all the ets that are present in our world and in our solar system currently are self-serving ets that are here to exploit the weak and divided human race in order to gain human allegiance and take control of the world for the access of its resources. In the physical reality, acquisition of resources is a major concern for all, and the stronger ones will attempt to dominate the weaker ones for that purpose, if they can. They themselves or even you may not regard them as “bad,” but their goal is to exploit weak and divided humanity to rob our sovereignty and self-determination. We, human race, stand to lose our freedom, if enough us does not take the correct actions to thwart the et intervention. We should regard the et intervention the way native americans should have regarded the westerners: With wisdom, discernment, discretion, caution, and authority.

Those that could be our potential allies are not here in our solar system currently.

In case you believe that steven greer or anyone else has proved that there are no ets that have abducted human beings, you might want to check out these youtube videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afoarvjypn0 (homicide detective butch witkowski)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmb1pflak8 (homicide detective butch witkowski)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnbwycqjisg (ray fowler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1bgvmo4 (dr. Roger leir presents new startling findings: Alien implant research)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkv-lhfw4wu (dr. Roger leir)


a hoax is a claim that “we have exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made.” in order to prove that all abductions and mutilations are man-made, one would have to prove that it is a hoax for each and every single case of abduction and mutilation cases. Clearly he has not done that, as there are many, many abductees who have not even had a single interview with him and there are abductees who have been abducted unbeknownst to themselves.

what an absolute load of bloody crap !!!

You are fear mongering the people and are working for a dis information agentcy !

You have still not presented any real truth or evidense to your outlandish theories

dont believe this person they are not telling the truth

disgusting !

[PurpleLama]

I have cats they help with meditation and focusing.
I am well versed in meditation and the esoteric arts, but my experience is exactly the opposite. Perhaps your cats are not nearly so rotten as mine....

I think they also could help keep away whatever is bothering you.
This, however, is absolutely true. I have even seen cats eat dark, energetic creatures, who were left over from a negative person who had previously lived in the house.

[donk]

Nanoo, my friend, you are very emotionally attached to the idea that humans are the only self-serving conscious beings in existence. You don't allow in this infinite universe that there may exist non-earthlings that are malevolent?

I have never seen evidence of benevolent ETs. I am certain they exist though. I don't think everyone claiming they do have an agenda, and are lying, that's a little close-minded

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Well I think it is important to consider where you are focusing your energies. What is it in you that would allow something to drain your energy. Perhaps a lifestyle change is necessary to counter whatever these orbs / entities are. If you are unable to focus on this or have a hectic life perhaps it is actually something that is causing you to change your lifestyle for your benefit even though you may not perceive what that benefit is for some time. And Nanoo Nanoo this really isn't about fear. It is about preparing for something so much greater than anything the world has ever know. And truly you lack common sense if you can't see why they would want our world. In fact the may not care for worlds that are uninhibited because one of the main resources sought after in the greater community of intelligent life is biological resources. They have waited until this time in order to create destabilization in our world as we advance technologically as we near greater unity a greater usefulness for them and before we become truly self empowered, self determined, and self suficient, in our world. We are so vulnerable to these influences now. If you were a world leader and were promised world dominion and advanced technology would you take it? This if implamented will make us dependent upon them and soon then they could enforce demands upon us.They can use our infrustracture in fact and everything we have put in place to support there agenda here. They need us to work for them essentially. It is a process of acquisition and pacification so that we begin to accept there presence here and believe they are actually going to help us. Truly how could any visiting race actually help us if not only to gift us with wisdom and knowledge. To self empower us. It is bad for humanity to have premature exposure to the greater community intervening in this world because we are not ready for them. Regardless of all the things I am say which may sound like pure fascination and fear tactics. It is really about getting humanity up and going again. preserving our world and create a world that is sustainably and that can deal with influences beyond our border. Do you really think we would remain a secure, immature, and isolated race forever. Surely we would destroy ourselves within the century if that was the case. We are evolving, there is a greater community out there and intervening forces here now. Whether you like it or not we are emerging into the greater community. Nanoo Nanoo, you can either ridicule the warning. Criticize the warning, pick it apart into little pieces. Or you can prepare. Securing your life as a result and the lives of those around you for generations to come. Living in a free world, strong and self determined, wise/ discreet in our affairs, and powerful in the mental environment.

I thank you for your pensive argument.


I think however you proceed without knowing my back ground or at least wanting to come across as such...

I understand these things can be interpreted in so many ways. I see you have decided to view our neighbours , the ones who visit here reularly , that come and go every day and have been for hundreds of thousands of years before you were born ( in this life of course ) , as evil ?

You do realise that of all the races that mine and exploit this planet Humans ,ie you and your kind are the ones soley accountable for the slow death of this planet.

not meaning to direct this to you per se but should we not concentrate on getting our own affairs in order before we try to control something that might just be thin air ? you can see how this would be a great distraction ? how while we are staring at them , the others calmly finalise their plots.

I believe in the interest of truth and honesty there can be no more futile agenda than to state we have any chance of defeating superiorly advanced races when we have no idea how to defeat ones on this planet. Can we not see that even considering it is futile ? not that we should not protect that which is ours but to pick the right fight may be prudent. And to concentrate on things that are possibly a little skewed is a waste of time. in my opinion.

Ok so with that out of the way. May i ask you what EXaCTLY shoud we do ? other than stating a word " resisit " what actual things can be done , practical steps mind you , to stop these aliens taking over our planet and eating all our potato chips ?

SO what im asking for is not a deflection ... which i sense may be coming .. but rather a real way to stop them ? what is it ?

Should i , when im asleep keep a red cross and a black rock rubbed 12 times anti clock wise ?

Should i, when i suspect an alien is near or about to abduct me , stand quickly akimbo and shout " Booger Booger You Cant take my Shuga ! " then clap 3 times and do sparkle hands with a semi twist ( to the right , it has to be clock wise or the alien may think you are coming on to them ) and then curl up into a ball and think of my favorite flower ... Is that what i should do ?



and ill explain like im explaining to a 5 year old ( no offence , its meant to be clear so no body could mis understand )

say for eg i want to change a tyre .. what do i do to change it in point form summary ( please do not explain this its merely an example )

Now , please explain to me or Resist Intervention may help here too seeing they are pushing this agenda as well, What Practical steps in point summary we can d to RESIST the aliens taking ovr us and mind controlling our brains .

Go ahead you have the floor

( expect a deflection as there is truly nothing that could be done even if it were true )

Deflection ?


N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Nanoo, my friend, you are very emotionally attached to the idea that humans are the only self-serving conscious beings in existence. You don't allow in this infinite universe that there may exist non-earthlings that are malevolent?

I have never seen evidence of benevolent ETs. I am certain they exist though. I don't think everyone claiming they do have an agenda, and are lying, that's a little close-minded

donk you keep mis representing me , and im getting a little bit annoyed at the consistancy of it. i have explained to you personally that i know there are factions of malevolent races interacting with us ! but you still paint me as someone a bit biased ..

i have seen examples of both good and bad. my argument is and ill re iterate this to you directly in the hope you get it this time. is this

Without proper evidense its futile trying to point the finger

its a bad habit to get into becoming fearful of something that has not yet been confirmed ( generally speaking )

I have dealt with both sides 9 races ) and i can tell you AGAIN that 2 are not so nice 1 is definitely malevolent and about another 6 are ok and bordering on benevolent. This my interpretation of about 40 years of EXPERIENCING without brain implants or mind control.

eg

if i tell my daughter that there is a monster in the cupboard ( for what ever reason ) she may just believe it ... just because im telling her. but does it mean one exists ?

Truth be known , it is possible however highly un likely. and until you open that cupboard and inspect the interior with Monster Laser reading devices then we wont be able to cofirm it right ?

but its a good thing to tell all our kids that all cupboards have monsters in them : 0 ) great .. let them grow up with that fear .. and debilitate them for ever ..

The Creation of Fear ( no matter what form it comes in ) IS an open door for Mind Control or a more sinister and subtle means. Lets get away from the Alien thing just for a tick ok..

I deal with people in fear every day , i dedicate about 20 hours a week as a volunteer to help people who fear Cats, Rain , Thunder , Chickens , Taxation, Car Horns , Heights , Smells , Pictures of Wizzards .. and the list could go on for pages ... but iwont bore you .. suffice to say there is no real qualification for a subject matter just the fact that a Fear has somehow been Created .

that fear is Leverage .. it can be used to control and debilitate someone from their true purpose. And it gets a wholelot worse from there.

What i am aginst is not that you are creating fear about aliens .. i could not give a tinkers cuss to be honest what the subject matter is , i care that you create the problem , out of thin air it seems sometimes ( not you nessesarily donk , people who monger fear in general like alex jones ) and then leave them In fear < without any practical means to heal or protect or fix the problem , they are intrinsically left with

Man i got a problem ( i think ) and no way out ! ummm ... hang on more fear ! ok id better watch in case they give an antidote or at least some tech to reverse the problem i may have perhaps if i were one in a billion that is selected.. hmm

Its not emotional , its just so damn obvious .. and yeah .. maybe i should just walk away and let you all go and talk amongst your selves..

that would be the best .. if i were self serving.

N

ps donk please dont paint me a as a lizzy lover , thank you

hugs

( non bi or homo as per )

[mojo]

Nanoo you are definitely not alone in your thinking it's just that the opinions are arelady set and no changing any points of view.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Nanoo you are definitely not alone in your thinking it's just that the opinions are arelady set and no changing any points of view.

Yes and thank you for the support. Im not upset , however the frank version is pertinent to every one considering choosing what fear they wish for today. Choose wisely and read the fine print.

So changing points of view is not the concern,its informing people of their choices.

Naniu

[Peace&Love]

that fear is Leverage .. it can be used to control and debilitate someone from their true purpose. And it gets a wholelot worse from there.

Dear Nanoo Nanoo, Thank you!
Please don't give up on us. You have very good points, and have convincing approach to this matter. Instead of us fearing and blaming external forces for our lack of evolvement, we should get a grip of ourselves, clean the mess we have created in our own planet, restore love within us, get more connected with planet earth and wise use of its resources. We are here to learn, and your knowledge is our teacher.
Your efforts are not in vain as you do bring the light of understanding even at the darkest places.
Please, keep us updated and show us more tools to be strong and free of fear mind control.

[wobbegong]

So, it seems that most agree that there are both good and bad ET races out there.
The main schism is on wether any good ETs are present here on earth or not. One opinion is that there are good ones here, while the other is that no, only the self serving ones are here.
I personally believe that humanity at the moment is too confused and divided to be able to develop a constructive relationship with any ET race, and it is in the midst of a series of critical problems where any interference would be a hindrance because even 'help' would be a temporary measure, causing us to fall into our same patterns again and again. Therefore I say that the ETs present here now are self serving because the benevolent ones would know that we must solve our own problems.
That's my assumption, that's my view - more than being something that requires proof, it is a logic that may or may not be partaken.
So the next question is, if the above were true, 'what can we do?'
One opinion shared on this thread is "...expect a deflection as there is truly nothing that could be done even if it were true...".
To me that is more fearful than anything that has been said here.
Personally I don't believe that's the case.
I am more inclined towards the concept that was presented in George Green's Handbooks for the New paradigm: the concept of 'the quorum'. He said that if enough representatives of the human race agree to refuse interference, then the interference would have to back down due to the law of non-interference - which is also mentioned in other literature and I personally find it to be a credible possibility (Green's books are free online, so further details on what I'm writing are easy to find).
Surely if one believes that the human race is not capable of coming together - coming together with a concerted declaration calling for non-interference, then the 'nothing could be done' view is the only option, but personally I don't believe that's the case.
I believe that we can do a lot in terms of sharing information and insights on this subject, which is really the first step towards coming together with a decision and working towards a 'quorum'.
I believe that a lot of people are already doing it - famous people like the person I mentioned above, and others on Avalon threads like the Horus-Ra thread for example.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

The fact is that the single most important thing we can do is to be aware of the intervention. Once enough people are aware and are resistant to the intervention they can no longer be here. This is because there are others who would intervene on our behalf of it appeared that our world was resisting the intervention. The understaning is that there are strict rules of engagement within these trade networks in the greater community. We live in a highly inhabited part of the galaxy in which earth is a strategic location of great value. Races rely on a trade network in our area for resources and if these collectives perceive that humanity is not resisting or against the Intervention then there action will be allowed to continue.

Now Nanoo you are certainly right to say that we could be too focused on this and lose sight of matters here on earth of grand significance. I am devoted here on earth to more human matters as well. I study sustainable agriculture, I am a massage therapist, and one day I hope to have a health and rejuvenation center based on my farm that also teaches how to grow your own food and build your own shelter with local materials ect.

Nanoo I total acknowledge that human kind is accountable for the slow death of this planet and the squandering of it resources and I certainly don't place the blame on the intervention but I am not ignorant to the possibility that there are external influences involved in many choices humanity makes.

Nanoo by all means we should get our affairs in order. We must get our affairs in order! I'm not sure what you mean by control though. Please clarify.

Who are the others calmly finalizing their plots? If your referring to more human means will I don't ignore that either and one thing overlooked is the interbreeding program which will create allegiance to the extraterrestrial forces. these people who may have plots for world dominion or whatever else your referring to may be influenced by the intervention though I am not saying all evil on earth originates from ETs. It must not be overlooked. And it is imperative that we develop our inner strength and inner Knowing to effectively combat the problems of the world. We must be strong with knowledge to know what to do, when to act, when not to act, when to say something and when to hold back.

Nanoo this isn't a great distraction to me because it has given me greater focus in my life in what I need to be doing here, it has created the great need for me to work on setting my affairs in order, cleaning my house before imposing what I believe should be done on others. It has given great strength to not lose faith in our people and the governance of this world. I have become far more engaged in politics and the great neccesitie for our world to have food security. Because truly we will be lost to the intervention if we can not support the world. Truly the greater community will dominate humanity and set its demand upon our world. Do not be ignorant and unaware that this world is in fact emerging into a greater community of intelligent worlds who are prepared for us! We are not prepared for them!

Truly what could unite the world, what could set us straight than this greater need now. What could make all the difference now is the realization that we are facing a greater set of circumstances than humanity has ever had to deal with. truly the problems of our world are dwarfed in comparison to the problem that are and will continue to arise in the face of the intervention. If we will not fix our problems in good times in times of seeming success then we must learn to change when things are bad. that is the true nature of our world now. That we can't address the pressing needs of the world know then we must do so in times when greater need is upon us! In times of great decline we will either sink or swim in the rising waters!

Truly our problems won't be solved until a greater need is recognized. Our problem will be small then in the face of the greater community and we will simply have to forget our differences and unite I order to save this world and humanities existence on it as a free and self determined race.

You may call it fear mongering all you like. Im responding to a greater set of needs now. I'm gearing up for action to preserve this world and protect human sovereignty and freedom. You may be wondering where all this come from. From where do I derive my knowledge from. Well would you believe me if I told you that God has sent us a message totaling over 9000 pages of revelation. It focus on all facits of human life. It is what I study to the greatest degree of anything in my life now. Truly it is life changing. The question you must ask is can you respond to it? Can you take the many years required to patiently study these texts and take the Step To Knowledge.

You asked what can we truly do to thwart the intervention. I know what I can do and I am doing it. If you are open to what I say then look to this new message from God and take the step to knowledge. See if this is for you.

If you respond to it you will know. Inside yourself you will know if you need this now.

Lastly it is important to make clear that there are no masters in the world. Only people who are proficient in their practice who may appear to be masterful. to truly move forward we must follow something. Even the great leaders followed something even greater. Then you will learn to lead not because you say hey come follow me I know the way. Because you are following something much greater within you which you can not deny. People will see this and come to follow you because they see you are developing something greater, fulfilling a greater purpose in life and they want to be apart of it. In fact we will need a great deal of help to accomplish the tasks at hand.

So lastly lastly, I am saying that knowledge is alive in the world and it can be found all over the world in many different ways. There is no one path but if you are truly ready to be reclaimed by god you will understand only god knows how to get you out. Only from a greater vantage point can the teaching be provided to you who can not see the best way up the mountain now. God has given this teaching now. You can not give it to yourself. It must be given.

And lastly lastly lastly if you do not resonate with what I recommended then I recommend you search elsewhere, but above all else don't create the path let it be given to you from someone who can see more clearly. You must discern this now.

I have not provided links to the relevant website I was referring to. IF you seek greater inquire then message me privately and I will provide the needed links. If it seems that enough people are interested on this forum then I can link it here.

You decide...

[Peace&Love]

Please do publish LIVING for KNOWLEDGE, i am interested in the sources of information you have.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The fact is that the single most important thing we can do is to be aware of the intervention. Once enough people are aware and are resistant to the intervention they can no longer be here

how ? what sort of resistance to we need ? Centrifugal ? or Newtonian ?

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

"Many people in the world are awaiting the return of their Savior, their Maitreya or their Imam. But God has sent a New Message into the world, a Message to prepare humanity for the great change that is coming here and for its encounter with intelligent life in the universe, an encounter that will be far more precarious and dangerous than most people truly recognize." [18]

"The calling must be for the individual now, for the world will need many saviors, many guided and inspired individuals, or human civilization could fail, and that failure could be the most terrible thing that could happen to the human family. You would surely fall under the domination of foreign powers in the universe. Such powers are watching you, listening to you, planning to carry out their activities through devious and subtle means." [19]

"Humanity does not recognize its advantage in living in a highly populated region of space where military conquest is not allowed and where war and violence are rare. You do not realize the advantage this gives you. If you raise your voice against the Intervention, it is put at risk. If you oppose the Intervention, if enough people can do this, the Intervention must withdraw." [13]

From the new message wiki http://newmessage.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Intervention

Other links are: greatwavesofchange.org Newmessage.org
Alliesofhumanity.org Humansovereignty.org

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

“How do free races maintain their autonomy and keep races that are not free from interfering?”
"Ah, this is the challenge! This is the challenge that awaits you if you are able to offset the Intervention that is occurring in the world today.....
"Other nations employ seers who try to see into our worlds, to see what kind of technology we are producing and to see where our power and our weakness reside. We must offset these intrusions in the mental environment with seers of our own, who are guided by Knowledge, who would obstruct this kind of intervention in the mental environment.
This is all a new frontier to you and to human science and to human religion. Power in the mental environment in many ways can be equivalent to power in the physical environment, and the dangers and defenses that must be established here are significant. This is the price of freedom in the universe—constant vigilance, constant care and great responsibility." [5]

From the same wiki page noted above.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

"The Mental Environment is the arena of influence. People know very little about it, but it is very important in Greater Community interactions, particularly between races or organizations that compete with each other. They have to spend a great deal of time trying to discern what the other is going to do and trying to influence the other in subtle ways. This does not happen through technology as much as it happens through consciousness, through awareness, through the projection of thought and through cunning activities."[1]
"The mental environment is what you create for yourself.... something you have to be responsible for because unless a foreign intelligence is in your midst, almost everything that you experience in the mental environment will come from other human beings. Plants and animals do not have a strong influence on the mental environment. In nature, as you may have noticed, there can be neutrality in the mental environment. That is why people seek refuge in nature--it is refreshingly open and free of dominating influences."[2]

From: http://newmessage.org/wiki/index.php?title=Mental_Environment

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

"There is a way to Knowledge. The way will save you time because you need to save time now. You are needed in the world, and your preparation must become accelerated. You do not now have the luxury of endless exploration and diversion, for the world needs you. It is emerging into the Greater Community. This is not a time to fiddle with your mind or your emotions or play around with different therapies or modalities because The Way of Knowledge is being offered to you. You are needed in the world. It is time to prepare. It is time to become focused and determined. There is no escape from this, for only those who are developed in The Way of Knowledge will have capability in the future and will be able to maintain their freedom in a Mental Environment that will be increasingly influenced by the Greater Community."[17]
"Your Spiritual Family beyond the world is supporting your spiritual development by communicating to you through the Mental Environment." [17]
"This is how a new fabric of unity is established. The great tapestry of life is woven strand by strand, person by person. Do not think another will do this for you. Do not think such great things are only left up to people who are great, who are heroes or heroines, for this is your responsibility. This is your calling—not to gain spiritual immunity, not to become all knowing or all powerful, but to join your mind with other minds in Knowledge, to become stronger than you are or ever could be as an individual.
The Greater Community is made up of communities. That which is powerful in the Greater Community is communities. Your mind alone, no matter how developed, cannot contend with a community mind. That is why we teach the Four Pillars of life, so that you have the basis for learning how to join with others—genuinely, truthfully, honestly, effectively. We do not send you off on your solo pursuit for spiritual enlightenment. We bring you into the world and teach you how to engage with others and join with others to bear fruit here within the world." [17]
"Nations in your region of space have security forces and can amass together a great military power, but this is only for the mutual defense of their trading networks. They have realized that they cannot overwhelm each other by force, and so they seek to influence each other through persuasion and thought. This represents a more mature use of power in the universe and a new threshold of learning for humanity." [18]
"Any human mind can be interfered with, and its understanding can be extracted by those intervening forces in the world now. Therefore, you must understand the importance of discretion. That is why it is one of the three requirements for establishing and maintaining freedom in the universe: unity, self-sufficiency and discretion. You are only at the beginning of learning about the power of the mental environment. You are only beginning to learn how other races can gain access to human wisdom and understanding. You are only beginning to realize how much your freedom will have to be guarded and protected if it is to be sustained in a universe where freedom is rare." [19].

From the link above.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

"Knowledge is who you really are." [3]

"Let us say that Knowledge is not the things that are usually associated with it. It is not ideas. It is not a body of information. It is not a system of belief. It is not a process of self-evaluation. It is the great mystery of your life. Its outward manifestations are profound intuition, great insight, inexplicable knowing, wise perception in the present and in the future and wise understanding of the past. But despite these great achievements of mind, Knowledge is greater than this. It is your True Self, a Self that is not apart from life." [4]

"Knowledge is that part of God that works within the individual, initiating great relationships between individuals and setting into motion activities that contribute to the well-being of the race to which those individuals belong. Beyond this, Knowledge contributes to the well-being of all races." [5]

"God has sent you into a difficult situation and has placed Knowledge within you to enable you to serve that situation and to give you a way back. It is like entering a deep cave where the light of day is completely left behind, and you are in this labyrinth somewhere, and you are sent down there to help others who are lost in the labyrinth and you yourself seem to be lost in the labyrinth except that God has placed a little rope attached to you—an endless kind of rope that no matter how many turns you take, no matter how deep you get into that labyrinth, no matter how much you forget the light of day, well, there is still a lifeline to you. You may be lost, but you are not lost to God."

"Through all the world religions, God has established pathways to return to Knowledge, but these pathways have become obscured by what religion has become and how religion is used. Only in the New Message, the pathway is reestablished without the weight of history, without the influence of culture, without the intrusion of human psychology. The pathway is clear. There is the pathway leading out of the labyrinth." [47].


"Knowledge will stimulate human innovation, human invention, human collaboration and human unity. It will inspire new technology. It will inspire greater creativity. It will inspire greater cooperation. All the things that human leadership and citizens everywhere will have to establish and adapt to that are truly beneficial will be inspired by Knowledge. This is why what is invisible and mysterious within you has the greatest power to effect change in human awareness and behavior." [27]

"Knowledge activates all mental and physical abilities for good. It directs all manner of individual pursuits that are for the benefit of humanity. In the arts, in the sciences, in all endeavors, in the simplest gesture and the greatest act, Knowledge demonstrates a greater life and strengthens all of the highest qualities in individuals who are engaged with it." [28]
Finding Knowledge

"Become dedicated to finding Knowledge and you will find Knowledge. And you will find those relationships that are based upon Knowledge. And those relationships will empower you and enable you to develop the other three pillars of your life. [25]

"Knowledge is regained by dedicating yourself to those individuals who represent your true allies in The Way of Knowledge. It is given through dedication and devotion." [29]

"If a person discovers Knowledge and makes advancements in the reclamation of Knowledge, he or she will affect minds in many places simultaneously.... If this is done, people will function better, be more harmonious and less prone to conflict and be able to recognize opportunities as they arise with far greater ease. Everyone will be stimulated. Everyone will be encouraged to carry on what they were sent here to do." [30]

http://newmessage.org/wiki/index.php?title=Knowledge#Finding_Knowledge

[mojo]

The video below is an amazing testimony of Gary Stearman. Two points to consider, Gary suffered from lost time and therefore possibly abducted and second the encounter was positive and the ET's did something or removed (the belt) on the craft he was in.

I've shared the video before but not as it relates to the abduction scenario.

bxbMFG5r_f4

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Nanoo I hope the compilation of quotes i provided above might better describe what is required if we are to preserve this world. I think that is a fare introduction into what I have only been studying for a couple years now. I know it will take me decades to truly study this teaching in its totality. Especially to take the steps to knowledge will take my entire life. These teaching are so great so all encompassing that I am devoted to it unlike I have been to any other study. Resisting ET intervention is only one small part on the revelation here but the message says it is the most important thing now. It says we really do not realize how serious the situation is. It is a great warning to humanity. We have no idea what the times to come will bring. I only know if I continue to study the new message and take the steps to knowledge I will be more able to respond to the greater need now. I will be stronger because of it and it will help guide me to finding the people I need to meet in this life and to discovering what it is I really came here to contribute to this world. I don't expect you to do what I do. I only hope you can see how great this teaching really is by maintaining an open mind and endeavoring to actually start reading about it. To read the texts in there entirety is the only way to grasp what it is. At least to choose one book an read it. See it for what it really is. Why it is here now. And what it is preparing humanity for. If you don't want to here about ET intervention but care about more human concerns I would considered reading Wisdom from The Greater Community Vol. 1

Many of the book there are free to download because they are so important now. One is the allies of humanity briefings. Another which I highly recommend dealing with the intervention, spirituality, and greater community affairs is Life in The Universe.

If you do not wish to study or even read what I provided above know that I am not affended. It is a lot to read and i understand you may have other important affairs to deal with. I am not here to force anything upon anyone. I understand that knowledge exist in many places in our world and there are some individuals throughout or world in which the fire of knowledge is still alive. I believe if it is your time to respond to this message you will know. And I believe many facits of it can be found here and there throughout the world. So what I am saying is this is not some sort of church group or colt. We who study the message have a greater understanding of Human nature and conditioning. I don't judge and condemn anyone for choosing not to pay attention to this message. I simply know it is not there time and I continue to go about my development so one day knowledge within can speak to knowledge within you. It can unite this world in away that my human mind can not. If the fire is burning in me it will transfer to you and the whole world will be affected thus. It is hard to understand how this really happens but over time you may come to see that there is a greater knowing and a greater presence withing that has great power in uniting people.
it is influential in the greatest of ways. It will help you see it will show you the profound power of what it means to truly know something. This is in you now and it is what I work to create greater relationship with. For what truly could save humanity now then this greater set of needs and this truly greater power within us that guides us. In each persons small way we will contribute to a better world. I am learning mine now. I am but a beginning student here. We all are beginners in the way of knowledge here no matter how advanced you think you are you must be a beginner here to learn to follow knowledge within.

This is a great responsibility now. Greater than anything life has ever presented to the world. It will take great dedication and devotion. Much hardship , discernment, and discretion. It will take great faith in the power and presence of knowledge within you and of the unseen forces who seek to guide you to your reclamation of knowledge.

Nanoo you asked what can we really do. Well it starts with you me and every individual who can respond now. It starts with working on yourself and strengthing your will to not give up and give in. It starts with reassessing what you believe now. Learn that it is not futile here to overcome the great problems of our world. Don't just be lazy and pacified with the idea that our resistance is futile. Realize you are not with knowledge now. ...

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Step 1 I am withought Knowledge now

There must be a starting point at any juncture of development. You must start from where you are, not from where you want to be. You start here in the understanding that you are withought Knowledge. That is not to say that Knowledge is not with you. It is simply to say that you are not with Knowledge. Knowledge is waiting for you to proceed. Knowledge is waiting to give itself to you. Therefore, you are beginning now to be in relationship with Knowledge, the greater aspect of mind that you have brought with you from your Ancient Home

THREE TIMES TODAY SPEND 10 MINUTES thinking about what Knowledge is, not merely applying your own ideas, not merely applying you past understanding, but thinking about what Knowledge Really is.

From The Step To Knowledge : the book of inner knowing.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

I just watched the video mojo. My question is what do you think occurred during that lost time. Also he said he felt they were probing him and could read his thoughts. I believed the visitors here now are not the same as ones who visited centuries ago and there motives have changed. also I think it is outrageous to claim that this UFO is part of an Angelic Presence as was said in the video. The Angelic Presence does not need UFOs to travel around. I really think he could actually be greatly mislead by this encounter. Although there may be good things to come out of something seemingly bad they don't ask what really were the motives of that encounter... The bible was given for the times then for a world much different than it is today and much of what is in the bible I believe has been altered from its pure source. You can not deny this for how can you truly know its original message. It has changed hands so many times it is impossible to fully trust everything in the bible. A lot of it so vague and will lead to greater confusion withought a great deal of research and understanding.

I believe that they are believing that this alien presence is some sort of angelic presence. That's exactly what the bible says about UFOs. They are from god. This is exactly the deception we need to look out for now!

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Q: (L) Well, I don’t exactly get what you mean. The whole point of this article is to say that ETs who abduct people are here to help us evolve and that it is only us, if we have dark and dirty unconscious minds, who perceive them as negative.

A: Wrong, you do not need “help” evolving, nor does anything else.

From The Wave Vol. 2 ch. 10. http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/12/the-wave-chapter-10-the-truth-is-out-there-but-trust-no-one/

[donk]

donk you keep mis representing me , and im getting a little bit annoyed at the consistancy of it. i have explained to you personally that i know there are factions of malevolent races interacting with us ! but you still paint me as someone a bit biased

Nanoo: I am the biased one, I have totally misunderstood you and took some of the things you have said as dismissal "factions of malevolent races", I apologize for this and did not mean to paint you in any way...was just reacting to specific posts.

I must be blocked up somehow when it comes to interpretting certain ideas you have...I will be more considerate and thoughtful going forward when responding to you, apparently I have some emotional trigger that goes off when people start sounding "Greer-ish" to me...I am sorry...with utmost respect (and love, love, love), Phil

[sik249]

The fact is that the single most important thing we can do is to be aware of the intervention. Once enough people are aware and are resistant to the intervention they can no longer be here

how ? what sort of resistance to we need ? Centrifugal ? or Newtonian ?

Just start talking about it with friends. The ETs want to remain hidden. If they have nothing to hide, they should come out. Anyway, we are the ones that need to fix up the mess that has been created.

Who says a civilisation that is advanced would not be hostile? Of course it can be. The ETs do not use military means they use deception and guile to get what they want. This is a far more sophisticated form of take over than using brute force physical means. You can have a totalitarian society that is interstellar in nature provided you have the ability to rigidly control your subjects at will. It can be done. Don’t ever fall for the belief that only good guys can have these mental super powers.

NanooNanoo, you need to face your deepest darkest fear. This is what it is:

You are afraid to face an intelligent being that is smarter than you and has more mental/psychic powers than you, but has the same needs as you. The intelligent being has needs for energy intake and all other assorted requirements for physical existence just like you. And if he/she can’t manage his/her own resources, then he/she will try to take it from you…and there is the problem. We are sitting on a beautiful planet coveted by others. Do you know what happens to people who have something that others covet and don’t do a good job defending it? Look at our own history. Look what happened to the Africans, Aztecs or American Indians when the people from Europe came over…what happened? You are from Africa yes? Tell us what happened in your history dealing with the Europeans? Well the Africans and Indians got their posteriors handed to them on a plate. Same thing will happen to ALL OF US (THE HUMAN RACE) if we don’t get our act together. We are ALL the natives of this beautiful World now...we are ALL being preyed upon right now.

We are all governed by the same laws of the physical universe. Never forget that. It means that all intelligent beings need to do things to get the required sustenance they need to survive. So some ET races need to do unspeakable things to survive, just like human beings do to each other…as above so below. Hence the abductions.

NanooNanoo, it is all about looking into the mirror. Mate, we are in the same boat together. Your idealism speaks of the fear that I just mentioned. I was like you 10 years ago…thinking advanced civilisations could never do evil…boy was I wrong. Just be brave and face the truth. In this case, the truth sucks. We need to get our act together.

Most people get into ufology because they want to escape the mundaneness of their everyday lives…guess what people, this ET presence is just another damn problem we have to deal with, as well as all of the usual problems that must be dealt with. It is not an idea where we can loose ourselves thinking it is all lovely…people just want to keep the mystery going…must be like shooting up on heroin or something like that.

Remember, THE HUMAN RACE IS WORTHY. There is no African race, no European race, no Asian race...just the human race!

May the presence of the Spiritual teachers and Angels of the Creator guide us always!

Peace my friend!

[ResistETIntervention]

I have a picture of me with a HUGE blue orb in the background, a smaller red and green one right above it, anybody REALLY knows what this means, it would mean a lot to me, SRSLY!!!

I am done with guessing/ speculating and need some real answers and even need to know how to get rid of them, because it hurts when they make contact ( between my shoulder blades, like some attachment in rammed in my back or is violently pulled out, it feels like I am being kicked around in my bed, when it gets yanked out I am always awake and I bounce about a feet up in the air, very tiresome). I have posted this before but only met dead silence in response

So again, if anyone KNOWS, not guesses, please tell me, I am done trying to act like a tough guy, f@ck them usually crappy ufo videos, this is a very much unwanted spiritual/energetic component that has to go.

778 Neighbour of some guy, the following passage is from a revelation titled “Protecting Yourself from the Intervention.” If you’d like, I can send the adobe document to you.




“If you have had a direct encounter, it means you have been influenced and discouraged from recalling your experiences and understanding them clearly and honestly. You have been compromised if this has occurred. You have been violated. Your mind has been breeched, and an attempt has been made to alter your understanding and your awareness.

“There are many people who suspect or who are certain that this has happened to them. If they are clear thinking and honest with themselves, they will realize that it is a violation and that it is not being carried out for a good purpose in any way.

“In dealing with the presence of the Intervention, should you experience it in any way, it is so important that you not become emotional. Do not become loving and do not become fearful. Be neutral. If it is directed at you specifically, tell it that you recognize its deception and that you will not support it. Make yourself an undesirable subject for their usage. Tell them you will resist them with every fiber of your being and they will not choose you to become part of their human group of representatives. You will cease to be a desirable subject for their study or experimentation.”

[chromalyn]

I want to say, as a person who has missing time, and foggy recollection, there is yet enough memory for me to know it wasn’t for my good. It was ‘old school’. Mean-faced grays, room intrusions, coercion, making threats. I think it was before they realized they could get more cooperation if they pretended to be angels or doing “Gods” work. They didn’t often say things like that before the Andreasson Affair. Such anomalous experiences are so reality shattering, it makes a quick lunch of the “no harm” theory. Peoples lives are destroyed, and a huge part of it comes from a fearful, mocking world. Jobs, relationships, families and lives are destroyed. Consider Barney Hill. On that note, I met an abductee who has had to endure multiple abductions, and comes from an abductee family. Yet she is an apologist. I was hoping she would help regress me (she’s a psychologist) but after hearing her describe them as benevolent, I decided she is too pacified to work with.

[ichingcarpenter]

The Barney Hill tape convinced me and frighten me on how terrifying the experience could be for a human.
His screams gave me nightmares for weeks after I heard it.