How powerful really is the Illuminati? You Decide.

[white wizard]

http://www.illuminatiagenda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/what-is-illuminati.jpg

The one thing they really do have a major grip on is Information and they use Fear in people

very cleverly to make it seem like they have more power through
various conspiracy theories of world domination. This gives average
people the false belief they are helpless in anything they can do to
defeat them.

The real truth being they do not actually have as much power as most
people believe. When a person falls for the trap of fear they actually
become an asset, because they funnel the fear out to other people,
which feeds the perception of the Illuminati looking more power full
then it really is.

These Conspiracy theories of Global enslavement and widespread terror
by them are purposely funneled out by them, but in a way that causes
people to instantly Fear them and give there power away to them. I am
not saying some of these are not true, but be careful in the way you
perceive them, because it is a trap.

Fear is there weapon, be wise and see them for what they are, the very
few who believe they can control the many.

The more powerful you believe them to be the more powerful they become.

[Wind]

I think that this video explains it pretty well. :)

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

"The Voice".

Just kidding.

At least, in Dune, the most significant power that the ruling elite possessed was "voice", the ability to cause others to obey spoken commands with no physical reason to do so.

p.s. watch out for Share International and things like that.
they try to pick off doctors and shrinks by putting their illuminAUGHTY ads in magazines like Psychology Today.


everyone listens to their doctor after all.
and if Lucifer is giving your doctor orders,
better the devil you don't know after all!

[Another1]

They are as powerful as we are.

Notice how much effort is put into attempts to make us feel inferior or simply keep us too damn busy surviving to think of anything else.

I think every one of us should do the loving thing so many new age gurus did to the Neos in internet chat rooms the past dozen+ years, help them step into their greatest fear.

[RMorgan]

Well, their power isn´t subjective or of mystic nature.

Have in mind that the conventional global institutional structure is of pyramidal hierarchy.

It means that, once you control the top level of any organization, group, company or institution, which usually is composed by just a few people, the rest of the structure just follows orders.

It´s as simple as that. They control the whole global social/political/economical structure by controlling the top of the pyramid.

This structural mechanism was deliberately created by them, so they can control the whole world by controlling just a few. No wonder why pyramid related symbols are everywhere, including the US currency...It´s a clever plot; A global pyramid scheme, literally.

So yes, their power is very real and as long as society´s structure is pyramidal, the global organizational aspects will be controlled by them, or by anyone else who´s able to take advantage of this system.

If we ever want to get rid of them, we must change the global structure to a more horizontal model which is relatively protected from excessive hierarchical influence.

Raf.

[sirdipswitch]

Far as I'm concerned, they ain't too bright. They been workin on this new world order thing, for more than a hunderd years and they ain't made it yet.

[Bubu]

So yes, their power is very real and as long as society´s structure is pyramidal, the global organizational aspects will be controlled by them, or by anyone else who´s able to take advantage of this system.

Yes but their power lies on being discreet and dissolves readily with a mere awareness. So the people they are afraid most are the people who spread awareness. we

Far as I'm concerned, they ain't too bright. They been workin on this new world order thing, for more than a hunderd years and they ain't made it yet.

I agree but I suggest they are on it since the creators left, is it the reason why they said they are the chosen?

but only gained confidence to openly state it the past hundred years.

[Sgt-Bones]

Far as I'm concerned, they ain't too bright. They been workin on this new world order thing, for more than a hunderd years and they ain't made it yet.

You been walkin' around with yer eyes closed or something??

Talk about blissful ignorance.

The only rason we are not in full blown NWO world yet is because it suits their purposes not to initiate that part of their agenda at this point in time.

It has nothing to do with them perceiving the 99% as posing some kind of imminent threat, I assure you.

They have the resouces, financial capability, and level of power to push the button any time they like and there would be absolutely nothing any of us could do about it.

They own (or have significant control/influence over) the world's financial system, political system, education system, media, armed forces, food production/supply, energy production/supply etc etc etc.

Seriously, you should count yourself lucky they are happy to simply maintain the status quo for now.

... enjoy it while it lasts.

Sounds a pretty bleak outlook I know, but this IS the reslity we are facing right now.

They have iniltrated and taken control over pretty much every aspect of our society, to the point where we are really only allowed access to the rights, freedoms and privileges THATTHEY ALLOW US TO HAVE.

I shudder to think what it will take for humanity to rid itsrlf of their poisonous influence.

I believe one day they will be ousted... but likely at GREAT COST.

Seems not enough members of the 99% are willing to give up the fake/artificial, slave-like exiistence these folks have created for them... yet.

Truth is, the vast majority don't even realise they are slaves at this point..

Until that changes, we can expect the slow release of the NWO agenda and the maintaining of the status quo to continue.

[Snookie]

Far as I'm concerned, they ain't too bright. They been workin on this new world order thing, for more than a hunderd years and they ain't made it yet.

You been walkin' around with yer eyes closed or something??

Talk about blissful ignorance.

The only rason we are not in full blown NWO world yet is because it suits their purposes not to initiate that part of their agenda at this point in time.

It has nothing to do with them perceiving the 99% as posing some kind of imminent threat, I assure you.

They have the resouces, financial capability, and level of power to push the button any time they like and there would be absolutely nothing any of us could do about it.

They own (or have significant control/influence over) the world's financial system, political system, education system, media, armed forces, food production/supply, energy production/supply etc etc etc.

Seriously, you should count yourself lucky they are happy to simply maintain the status quo for now.

... enjoy it while it lasts.

Sounds a pretty bleak outlook I know, but this IS the reslity we are facing right now.

They have iniltrated and taken control over pretty much every aspect of our society, to the point where we are really only allowed access to the rights, freedoms and privileges THATTHEY ALLOW US TO HAVE.

I shudder to think what it will take for humanity to rid itsrlf of their poisonous influence.

I believe one day they will be ousted... but likely at GREAT COST.

Seems not enough members of the 99% are willing to give up the fake/artificial, slave-like exiistence these folks have created for them... yet.

Truth is, the vast majority don't even realise they are slaves at this point..

Until that changes, we can ecpect the slow release of the NWO agenda and the maintaining of the status quo to continue.

The one thing you are not considering is the spiritual aspect of this situation. We are beginning to remember who we are.

The greatest fear a psychopath has is of being outed. Many of us are starting to recognize them for who they are.

We are waking up in huge numbers. What would they do if they tried ordering us around and we just laughed at them?

So they are using surveillance against us, we surveil them back.

Plots they are performing are backfiring in their faces, like the false flags of Aurora, Sandy Hook and Boson. People aren't believing the BS they are trying to cram down our throats anymore.

[Bubu]

Let us put it this way. In a peaceful situation as in now they have a firm grip as it is the money which in play. they have the bankers and all big businesses. But ask yourself how we ordinary citizens come to be aware of this manipulations. If we ordinary citizen are aware of these then certainly most of the world leaders are. As much as they want to effect total control they could not because world leaders. with good influence, will resist and by that time guns will be on play unless they have total control of guns,which I very much doubt, then they are not in control. So right now they are content of maintaining the status quo. But as we can see they are now advancing their agenda of total control which is reflected by the reaction of china and Russia the bankers etc. So are they in total control? The 2012 plan have lapsed so it is more or less an act of desperation.

[naste.de.lumina]

Then there are cracks between the factions of his own cabal that inevitably are exposing that they are not as organized and concise as they appear.
This video and story below, somehow show that they at least are having to be more exposed, in an attempt to implement their plans.
Or maybe it's really a rift. Anyway they are already on the radar of many people who agreed and their manipulations are being debunked.
Do not swallow more BS so easily.


Zbigniew Brzezinski on Syria: US is engaging in "mass propaganda", "Who's fighting for democracy?"
0SXBeMhIgFo


http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130626/gholami20130626123001223.jpg

Kissinger says US media lying about Syria
Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:11PM

Former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger

Former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger says the American media are not telling the truth about the current situation in Syria.

“In the American press it’s described as a conflict between democracy and a dictator- and the dictator is killing his own people, and we’ve got to punish him. But that’s not what’s going on,” he said during a speech at the Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan.

“It is now a civil war between sectarian groups,” Kissinger added.

Kissinger’s remarks come as the United States has been criticized for fomenting sectarian discord in Syria and the broader Middle East by interfering in the nations’ internal affairs and backing up insurgencies.

Elsewhere in his remarks Kissinger said “the outcome I would prefer to see” in Syria was a broken-up and balkanized country with “more or less autonomous regions.”

U.S. President Barack Obama has authorized sending weapons to foreign-backed militants in Syria, further escalating the conflict in the Arab country.

The White House earlier accused the Syrian government of using chemical weapons against the militants, an allegation denied by Damascus.

Obama’s policies regarding Syria have been attacked by some American politicians.

Former Congressman Ron Paul said the Obama administration was “escalating” the war in Syria by sending weapons to the militants.

“Today we heard from President Obama that the war in Syria will be escalated. He now has agreed to send weaponry in to assist the rebels. It’s escalation, that’s a proper word, because we’ve already been involved for quite a few months. We’ve been supporting the rebels for probably the past two years, supposedly for humanitarian reasons,” he said in a statement posted on YouTube.

“But now there is going to be a much more aggressive approach and we’re going to send weapons. There is a few problems with this, first off it’s war. Second thing is presidents are not supposed to start war without permission from the people through a congressional declaration of war,” Paul argued.

The unrest in Syria erupted over two years ago and many people, including large numbers of Syrian soldiers and security personnel, have been killed in the conflict.

Damascus says the conflict is being engineered from outside the country, and there are reports that a very large number of the militants fighting in Syria are foreign nationals.

AGB/HJ

Source: http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/310927.html

[Sith73]

Here's a great star wars clip that is an analogy how I see the Illuminati. They are the powers that "were" cause we all have the power to make things right. What has happened to our Republic? it has been transformed by the Cabal. I see them like the Empire and at the end of the video where the Sithlord is defiant till his death is how the Illuminati will go out. They will not give up their power, but believe me when you watch the video when the girl Jedi steps in to the battle is the reason light warriors such as myself are here to fight, resist and help others against the Cabal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ToztqqDcaY

[RMorgan]

Let us put it this way. In a peaceful situation as in now they have a firm grip as it is the money which in play. they have the bankers and all big businesses. But ask yourself how we ordinary citizens come to be aware of this manipulations. If we ordinary citizen are aware of these then certainly most of the world leaders are. As much as they want to effect total control they could not because world leaders. with good influence, will resist and by that time guns will be on play unless they have total control of guns,which I very much doubt, then they are not in control. So right now they are content of maintaining the status quo. But as we can see they are now advancing their agenda of total control which is reflected by the reaction of china and Russia the bankers etc. So are they in total control? The 2012 plan have lapsed so it is more or less an act of desperation.

Hey my friend,

Well, unfortunately, we´re just aware of a very small part of it, which is the part where we know that the whole global society is manipulated by a few.

Apart from that, we actually don´t know zero, zilch. What we believe to know is just a billion pieces of often contradictory information, coming from unreliable sources and far fetched conspiracy theories, which very probably are deliberately crafted to distract us.

If you realize that, even on the internet, which is in theory a free communication medium, the greatest part of visible and globally spread information is produced by less than 1% of internet users, you get the idea about how every piece of information that reaches us can be deliberately controlled and crafted to mislead.

Frankly, even when we refer to the so called elite/tptb/cabal/etc, we can´t even be sure about who they actually are. Probably they aren´t anywhere in the news to be found.

About world leaders, I´ll try to put it simple. It´s a well known fact that in any election, the candidate who gets elected is the one who manages to collect more campaign "donations", so he can buy more media exposure. The problem, is that such "donations" come from private sources, mostly corporations, and, of course, corporations don´t make "donations", they make investments...So, who do you believe to be behind such "donations"?

So, basically, in every so called "democratic" country, whoever leader is elected, is because they (whoever they are) wanted him to be elected in the first place.

Truth is, there´s no democracy anywhere in the world to be found. Ultimately, most people can´t even legitimately form the most basic kinds of opinions, because their opinions are vastly, if not totally, influenced by the media (mainstream or alternative) , which is controlled by, guess who...

This whole social/political/economical model, as we know it, was created by "them" from scratch, and there´s no possibility of getting rid of "them" without ditching this whole social/political/economical model altogether.

I´m not sure if you ever heard the popular proverb "all rivers flow to the sea". Well, in this world as we know it, if you take your time to dissect every aspect of society, everything flows to "them" as well.

They don´t control us as isolated individuals, but being isolated is practically impossible. We live a symbiotic relationship with a complex structure of dogmas, services and institutions, which invariably belongs to "them", and they control us through our undeniable dependency of such dogmas, services and institutions.

Getting rid of "them" comes with a price, which is getting rid of every current benefits, conveniences and comforts of modern society, which ultimately are managed and produced by "them".

On the other hand, if they ever want to get rid of us, all they have to do is stop the global production of everything that´s mass produced. If they order every institution that´s under their command to go on strike for one day, or if they choose a more subtle approach to sabotage the current structure from inside, the cascade effect would be so chaotic that half the world´s population would die in a matter of months.

Raf.

[Sgt-Bones]

The one thing you are not considering is the spiritual aspect of this situation. We are beginning to remember who we are.

Who is beginning to remember who they are? And how many do you honestly think are doing it? Personally, I'd say less than .01% of the worlds' population is TRULY embarking on such journeys of spiritual self-discovery. And of the <.01% who are making that effort, probably something like 90% are attempting to do so using deliberately corrupted/perverted spiritual teachings and ideologies that were (for the most part) developed and disseminated by the very people we are discussing in this thread (in order to ensure that the opposite effect is what actually gets achieved). IMO very, VERY few people on this planet right now are actually going about this process in a meaningful way. So, sorry, but I do not believe that at this point in time we are ANYWHERE NEAR close to "winning" the battle for our own spiritual independence, self realization/actualization, sovereignty, authenticity etc etc.


The greatest fear a psychopath has is of being outed. Many of us are starting to recognize them for who they are.

We are waking up in huge numbers. What would they do if they tried ordering us around and we just laughed at them?

Again... many of us?? No, I don't think that is actually the case. Sure, a small handful are starting to wake up, but waking up and TRULY BEING AWAKE are entirely different things altogether.


So they are using surveillance against us, we surveil them back.

Err, sure, and how exactly do you suggest we do that? I mean, the resources they have at their disposal are ENORMOUS... quite honestly we cannot compete with them on this front.


Plots they are performing are backfiring in their faces, like the false flags of Aurora, Sandy Hook and Boson. People aren't believing the BS they are trying to cram down our throats anymore.

How exactly have these planned false flag events "backfired" on them? The way I see it, each one was pulled off with overwhelming success as the VAST majority of the population seem to believe the official stories (despite the many and obvious holes in them)... same as the VAST majority of the population still believe 9-11 was orchestrated by a man living in a cave in Afghanistan (lol). I hate to say it, Snookie, but I think your suggestion that these recent events "backfired" because large numbers of the population aren't believing the BS stories that were concocted to cover them up is GROSSLY overstated. The fact is, because of their almost total control over the media (including alternative media), 99.99% of the population still believe their BS official stories.

Honestly, I hate to say this, but I think some people on this forum are under the impression that the alternative community is significantly larger and more influential than it actually is. How many people do you think the alternative community encompasses? 100,000?, 1,000,000?.... out of 7 billion... I dunno, you do the math.

And same with the spiritual community (unfortunately), which IMO is mostly made up of people whose "spirituality" is predominantly based on false teachings and principles that are being propagated through today's New Age Spiritual Movement... which has been heavily influenced by the very people we are talking about (quite deliberately too I might add).

[ghostrider]

ehummmm... they control everything, we know it , yet they continue, the masses asleep, don't even think they are real, so THEY work undetected... control of all banks, military, government, technology, five or six huge wars they have carried out, they pulled off 9-11 and no one went to jail, they killed kennedy, most believe we landed on the moon, Iraqi people wanted their country blown up , Osama was a terrorist, its not that the illuminati are powerful, it's WE the people wont get off our collective butts and hang them and stop the destuction of our world and future ...the problem is mind control... the NSA is still spying on us ...they are still open for business ...why have we not marched right to their front door and found a tall tree ??? step on the fouth amendment and you get stepped on ... they are not powerful, WE are ambivalant...

[ghostrider]

It pains me to say this, nothing will change until we march up to the white house in mass and kick their ### appologies for my language but no other word does the job ...

[ghostrider]

Then there are cracks between the factions of his own cabal that inevitably are exposing that they are not as organized and concise as they appear.
This video and story below, somehow show that they at least are having to be more exposed, in an attempt to implement their plans.
Or maybe it's really a rift. Anyway they are already on the radar of many people who agreed and their manipulations are being debunked.
Do not swallow more BS so easily.


Zbigniew Brzezinski on Syria: US is engaging in "mass propaganda", "Who's fighting for democracy?"
0SXBeMhIgFo


http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130626/gholami20130626123001223.jpg

Kissinger says US media lying about Syria
Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:11PM

Former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger

Former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger says the American media are not telling the truth about the current situation in Syria.

“In the American press it’s described as a conflict between democracy and a dictator- and the dictator is killing his own people, and we’ve got to punish him. But that’s not what’s going on,” he said during a speech at the Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan.

“It is now a civil war between sectarian groups,” Kissinger added.

Kissinger’s remarks come as the United States has been criticized for fomenting sectarian discord in Syria and the broader Middle East by interfering in the nations’ internal affairs and backing up insurgencies.

Elsewhere in his remarks Kissinger said “the outcome I would prefer to see” in Syria was a broken-up and balkanized country with “more or less autonomous regions.”

U.S. President Barack Obama has authorized sending weapons to foreign-backed militants in Syria, further escalating the conflict in the Arab country.

The White House earlier accused the Syrian government of using chemical weapons against the militants, an allegation denied by Damascus.

Obama’s policies regarding Syria have been attacked by some American politicians.

Former Congressman Ron Paul said the Obama administration was “escalating” the war in Syria by sending weapons to the militants.

“Today we heard from President Obama that the war in Syria will be escalated. He now has agreed to send weaponry in to assist the rebels. It’s escalation, that’s a proper word, because we’ve already been involved for quite a few months. We’ve been supporting the rebels for probably the past two years, supposedly for humanitarian reasons,” he said in a statement posted on YouTube.

“But now there is going to be a much more aggressive approach and we’re going to send weapons. There is a few problems with this, first off it’s war. Second thing is presidents are not supposed to start war without permission from the people through a congressional declaration of war,” Paul argued.

The unrest in Syria erupted over two years ago and many people, including large numbers of Syrian soldiers and security personnel, have been killed in the conflict.

Damascus says the conflict is being engineered from outside the country, and there are reports that a very large number of the militants fighting in Syria are foreign nationals.

AGB/HJ

Source: http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/310927.html

yeah , he would break up syria just like America , North vs South, Korea , north vs south, Germany North vs south vietnam , north vs south Iraq , afganistan, Lybia , bosnia , and 200 other little mini wars he has overseen ...heinz kissinger is a nazi ... i will be happy when he vacates his container one day ...

[ROMANWKT]

Far as I'm concerned, they ain't too bright. They been workin on this new world order thing, for more than a hunderd years and they ain't made it yet.

You been walkin' around with yer eyes closed or something??

Talk about blissful ignorance.

The only rason we are not in full blown NWO world yet is because it suits their purposes not to initiate that part of their agenda at this point in time.

It has nothing to do with them perceiving the 99% as posing some kind of imminent threat, I assure you.

They have the resouces, financial capability, and level of power to push the button any time they like and there would be absolutely nothing any of us could do about it.

They own (or have significant control/influence over) the world's financial system, political system, education system, media, armed forces, food production/supply, energy production/supply etc etc etc.

Seriously, you should count yourself lucky they are happy to simply maintain the status quo for now.

... enjoy it while it lasts.

Sounds a pretty bleak outlook I know, but this IS the reslity we are facing right now.

They have iniltrated and taken control over pretty much every aspect of our society, to the point where we are really only allowed access to the rights, freedoms and privileges THATTHEY ALLOW US TO HAVE.

I shudder to think what it will take for humanity to rid itsrlf of their poisonous influence.

I believe one day they will be ousted... but likely at GREAT COST.

Seems not enough members of the 99% are willing to give up the fake/artificial, slave-like exiistence these folks have created for them... yet.

Truth is, the vast majority don't even realise they are slaves at this point..

Until that changes, we can ecpect the slow release of the NWO agenda and the maintaining of the status quo to continue.

Hi SGT-BONES

You are at the moment, who's is making any sense here, most even here are under some illusion that we are, or have any control, I am afraid we are very far from it, they control all, and have done so for thousands of years, we are no where near the freedom that we seek, we are unprepared for the planned coming events, we are not unified whats so ever, even here, they are and have been in total control since your birth, we have a long way to go just here on website, never mind outside of here.

Knowledge is our only key to this.


Regards

roman

[ThePythonicCow]

How exactly have these planned false flag events "backfired" on them? The way I see it, each one was pulled off with overwhelming success as the VAST majority of the population seem to believe the official stories (despite the many and obvious holes in them)... same as the VAST majority of the population still believe 9-11 was orchestrated by a man living in a cave in Afghanistan (lol). I hate to say it, Snookie, but I think your suggestion that these recent events "backfired" because large numbers of the population aren't believing the BS stories that were concocted to cover them up is GROSSLY overstated. The fact is, because of their almost total control over the media (including alternative media), 99.99% of the population still believe their BS official stories.

The backfiring may be in our direction, not in their direction.

Most of my relatives "know" that I'm a lunatic conspiracy nut, on account of the cockamamie theories I've supported regarding 9/11.

So on the odd chance that I ever did get some glimmer of awareness and spoke something really worth listening to, those relatives would immediately dismiss my utterances as just more whacked out nonsense.

Such confusion, chaos and multitudinous conflicting conspiracy theories keep most people unaware and mind numbed, to the extent that they even notice at all, rather than watching Kim Kardashian's derriere, Dancing with the Stars or their favorite sports team.

[jiminii]

How exactly have these planned false flag events "backfired" on them? The way I see it, each one was pulled off with overwhelming success as the VAST majority of the population seem to believe the official stories (despite the many and obvious holes in them)... same as the VAST majority of the population still believe 9-11 was orchestrated by a man living in a cave in Afghanistan (lol). I hate to say it, Snookie, but I think your suggestion that these recent events "backfired" because large numbers of the population aren't believing the BS stories that were concocted to cover them up is GROSSLY overstated. The fact is, because of their almost total control over the media (including alternative media), 99.99% of the population still believe their BS official stories.

The backfiring may be in our direction, not in their direction.

Most of my relatives "know" that I'm a lunatic conspiracy nut, on account of the cockamamie theories I've supported regarding 9/11.

So on the odd chance that I ever did get some glimmer of awareness and spoke something really worth listening to, those relatives would immediately dismiss my utterances as just more whacked out nonsense.

Such confusion, chaos and multitudinous conflicting conspiracy theories keep most people unaware and mind numbed, to the extent that they even notice at all, rather than watching Kim Kardashian's derriere, Dancing with the Stars or their favorite sports team.

this is all part of the implants

DON'T LOOK ..... DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT .... DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT ,,,,

so people would rather follow this path ,, because they are not willing to confront it or get involved ... until at the last moment there is nothing else to do ,. (usually after they have been thrown in the concentration camps and are in line for the guillotine ...) ... the same as in believing in heaven and hell ,,, they rather keep this safe idea of redemption until death and they find out the truth only after they die ,,,

jim

[lookbeyond]

The one thing you are not considering is the spiritual aspect of this situation. We are beginning to remember who we are.

Who is beginning to remember who they are? And how many do you honestly think are doing it? Personally, I'd say less than .01% of the worlds' population is TRULY embarking on such journeys of spiritual self-discovery. And of the <.01% who are making that effort, probably something like 90% are attempting to do so using deliberately corrupted/perverted spiritual teachings and ideologies that were (for the most part) developed and disseminated by the very people we are discussing in this thread (in order to ensure that the opposite effect is what actually gets achieved). IMO very, VERY few people on this planet right now are actually going about this process in a meaningful way. So, sorry, but I do not believe that at this point in time we are ANYWHERE NEAR close to "winning" the battle for our own spiritual independence, self realization/actualization, sovereignty, authenticity etc etc.


The greatest fear a psychopath has is of being outed. Many of us are starting to recognize them for who they are.

We are waking up in huge numbers. What would they do if they tried ordering us around and we just laughed at them?

Again... many of us?? No, I don't think that is actually the case. Sure, a small handful are starting to wake up, but waking up and TRULY BEING AWAKE are entirely different things altogether.


So they are using surveillance against us, we surveil them back.

Err, sure, and how exactly do you suggest we do that? I mean, the resources they have at their disposal are ENORMOUS... quite honestly we cannot compete with them on this front.


Plots they are performing are backfiring in their faces, like the false flags of Aurora, Sandy Hook and Boson. People aren't believing the BS they are trying to cram down our throats anymore.

How exactly have these planned false flag events "backfired" on them? The way I see it, each one was pulled off with overwhelming success as the VAST majority of the population seem to believe the official stories (despite the many and obvious holes in them)... same as the VAST majority of the population still believe 9-11 was orchestrated by a man living in a cave in Afghanistan (lol). I hate to say it, Snookie, but I think your suggestion that these recent events "backfired" because large numbers of the population aren't believing the BS stories that were concocted to cover them up is GROSSLY overstated. The fact is, because of their almost total control over the media (including alternative media), 99.99% of the population still believe their BS official stories.

Honestly, I hate to say this, but I think some people on this forum are under the impression that the alternative community is significantly larger and more influential than it actually is. How many people do you think the alternative community encompasses? 100,000?, 1,000,000?.... out of 7 billion... I dunno, you do the math.

And same with the spiritual community (unfortunately), which IMO is mostly made up of people whose "spirituality" is predominantly based on false teachings and principles that are being propagated through today's New Age Spiritual Movement... which has been heavily influenced by the very people we are talking about (quite deliberately too I might add).

Hi SGTBONES, i think we all start off with flawed and false spiritual teachings and then we are led further along the road, drop in at places like Avalon, get a few painful awakenings, and then hopefully with persistence and courage continue to see the world partially at least as it truely is.If we are lucky we may have the privilege of waking some to the lies along the way.My lovely daughter chose a t shirt to wear to school mufti (fundraising) day that had the all seeing eye atop the pyramid.Now most had no idea, but a few did,btw its a catholic high school

[naste.de.lumina]

They have the resouces, financial capability, and level of power to push the button any time they like and there would be absolutely nothing any of us could do about it.

They own (or have significant control/influence over) the world's financial system, political system, education system, media, armed forces, food production/supply, energy production/supply etc etc etc.



Assuming they actually have quoted the whole domain, the question that comes to mind is:
Why the hell would they need be inventing false flag attacks, secret service agents pretending leaking or leak secret information, creating disinformation, etc..
The answer is that in reality they do not have all this power and control that they want to believe.
Otherwise they would not need to use subterfuge like these.
And their agenda is not ready for precisely this reason. Because they do not have all the power needed to implement it. Are moving towards this goal, but the plans are not going as they imagined.
Are facing internal and external resistances. Cracks, betrayals.
Even the built environment in which they live and in which there is conducive to loyalty.
And people are waking up and trying to get organized. As time passes they are waking others. This is clear.
If it were not so, they would not need to be tightening the siege against the freedoms so blatantly.
And these actions cause reactions that most people agree. It is a snowball.
There's no stopping.
The main weapon of them is trying to paralyze us with fear and inaction.
They will not succeed.
Confidence without fear.

[ROMANWKT]

Apparently, unless we breakaway from the greatest RELIGION ever perpetrated by man on man, an illusion that we all and everyone believes in, AND THAT'S MONEY, we are all talking from the back of our,,,,,,,,,,,,THEY GOT US ALL BIG TIME, as soon as they crash the system of MONEY, think what will happen worldwide.

we really have a long way to go, is there time, you tell me.

regards

roman

[Bubu]

halo Raf,
Well, unfortunately, we´re just aware of a very small part of it, which is the part where we know that the whole global society is manipulated by a few.

Yes we know little in terms of quantity But what we knew is of great value. Knowing alone that we are being manipulated is enough for us to do action. What do you supposed will happen if even fifty % of world population will know this single info. Alone?

About world leaders, I´ll try to put it simple. It´s a well known fact that in any election, the candidate who gets elected is the one who manages to collect more campaign "donations", so he can buy more media exposure. The problem, is that such "donations" come from private sources, mostly corporations, and, of course, corporations don´t make "donations", they make investments...So, who do you believe to be behind such "donations"?

The extent to where you see is shallow. Yes politician are in debt to the campaign donors and they would pay them provided that they do not become endangered of becoming hated by the voters. Yes I have seen it many times; once politicians are cornered they will deny every contact with donors. Just so the voters will not hate them. So ultimately it still the voters who decide not the donors. Sad to say that right now the voters are under hypnotism, as I have said, while the money is in play. But ones war or violence erupted or people is subjected to much suffering then that’s another story. That is why they are careful to maintain that little living conditions.

On the other hand, if they ever want to get rid of us, all they have to do is stop the global production of everything that´s mass produced. If they order every institution that´s under their command to go on strike for one day, or if they choose a more subtle approach to sabotage the current structure from inside, the cascade effect would be so chaotic that half the world´s population would die in a matter of months.

You also forgot that these factories are manned not by them but the slaves. Ok so let us say they stop electric power. How long do you supposed will it take for the slaves, which also don’t have power in their own homes, to take notice and march toward the plant and forcibly run the plant. Fact is they cannot close it because that will surely expose them.

Getting rid of "them" comes with a price, which is getting rid of every current benefits, conveniences and comforts of modern society, which ultimately are managed and produced by "them".

Yes getting rid of them comes at a price. Only during the transitional stage. So what convenience and comforts are you talking about. Surely our life will be more comfortable had they not suppress free energy technology alone. Surely our life will be more convenient had they not deliberately cause diseases. Surely our life will be more enjoyable had they not poisoned the plants and the environment. This list can go on and on.
There are people here that I’m watching same people that promote fear and post useless topics design as diversionary techniques they are consistent. I am a bit surprise to hear these words from you and frankly that influence my original perception. But I’m really glad that you say them.

[ROMANWKT]

Halo Ralph,
Well, unfortunately, we´re just aware of a very small part of it, which is the part where we know that the whole global society is manipulated by a few.

Yes we know little in terms of quantity But what we knew is of great value. Knowing alone that we are being manipulated is enough for us to do action. What do you supposed will happen if even fifty % of world population will know this single info. Alone?

About world leaders, I´ll try to put it simple. It´s a well known fact that in any election, the candidate who gets elected is the one who manages to collect more campaign "donations", so he can buy more media exposure. The problem, is that such "donations" come from private sources, mostly corporations, and, of course, corporations don´t make "donations", they make investments...So, who do you believe to be behind such "donations"?

The extent to where you see is shallow. Yes politician are in debt to the campaign donors and they would pay them provided that they do not become endangered of becoming hated by the voters. Yes I have seen it many times; once politicians are cornered they will deny every contact with donors. Just so the voters will not hate them. So ultimately it still the voters who decide not the donors. Sad to say that right now the voters are under hypnotism, as I have said, while the money is in play. But ones war or violence erupted or people is subjected to much suffering then that’s another story. That is why they are careful to maintain that little living conditions.

On the other hand, if they ever want to get rid of us, all they have to do is stop the global production of everything that´s mass produced. If they order every institution that´s under their command to go on strike for one day, or if they choose a more subtle approach to sabotage the current structure from inside, the cascade effect would be so chaotic that half the world´s population would die in a matter of months.

You also forgot that these factories are manned not by them but the slaves. Ok so let us say they stop electric power. How long do you supposed will it take for the slaves, which also don’t have power in their own homes, to take notice and march toward the plant and forcibly run the plant. Fact is they cannot close it because that will surely expose them.

Getting rid of "them" comes with a price, which is getting rid of every current benefits, conveniences and comforts of modern society, which ultimately are managed and produced by "them".

Yes getting rid of them comes at a price. Only during the transitional stage. So what convenience and comforts are you talking about. Surely our life will be more comfortable had they not suppress free energy technology alone. Surely our life will be more convenient had they not deliberately cause diseases. Surely our life will be more enjoyable had they not poisoned the plants and the environment. This list can go on and on.
There are people here that I’m watching same people that promote fear and post useless topics design as diversionary techniques they are consistent. I am a bit surprise to hear these words from you and frankly that influence my original perception. But I’m really glad that you say them.

Hi Nature

That is precisely what we all have to do WTSHTF, is that we must all man our stations without them, run the electricity, food production, and water supply on our own, it is we who are running it all now, will we awake enough people to understand that, we can greatly minimize the crash agenda by the psychopaths running the show.

Regards

roman


By the way who is Ralph????

[Bubu]

By the way who is Ralph????

Thanks roman I have edited the post

[Arpheus]

The one thing you are not considering is the spiritual aspect of this situation. We are beginning to remember who we are.

Who is beginning to remember who they are? And how many do you honestly think are doing it? Personally, I'd say less than .01% of the worlds' population is TRULY embarking on such journeys of spiritual self-discovery. And of the <.01% who are making that effort, probably something like 90% are attempting to do so using deliberately corrupted/perverted spiritual teachings and ideologies that were (for the most part) developed and disseminated by the very people we are discussing in this thread (in order to ensure that the opposite effect is what actually gets achieved). IMO very, VERY few people on this planet right now are actually going about this process in a meaningful way. So, sorry, but I do not believe that at this point in time we are ANYWHERE NEAR close to "winning" the battle for our own spiritual independence, self realization/actualization, sovereignty, authenticity etc etc.


The greatest fear a psychopath has is of being outed. Many of us are starting to recognize them for who they are.

We are waking up in huge numbers. What would they do if they tried ordering us around and we just laughed at them?

Again... many of us?? No, I don't think that is actually the case. Sure, a small handful are starting to wake up, but waking up and TRULY BEING AWAKE are entirely different things altogether.


So they are using surveillance against us, we surveil them back.

Err, sure, and how exactly do you suggest we do that? I mean, the resources they have at their disposal are ENORMOUS... quite honestly we cannot compete with them on this front.


Plots they are performing are backfiring in their faces, like the false flags of Aurora, Sandy Hook and Boson. People aren't believing the BS they are trying to cram down our throats anymore.

How exactly have these planned false flag events "backfired" on them? The way I see it, each one was pulled off with overwhelming success as the VAST majority of the population seem to believe the official stories (despite the many and obvious holes in them)... same as the VAST majority of the population still believe 9-11 was orchestrated by a man living in a cave in Afghanistan (lol). I hate to say it, Snookie, but I think your suggestion that these recent events "backfired" because large numbers of the population aren't believing the BS stories that were concocted to cover them up is GROSSLY overstated. The fact is, because of their almost total control over the media (including alternative media), 99.99% of the population still believe their BS official stories.

Honestly, I hate to say this, but I think some people on this forum are under the impression that the alternative community is significantly larger and more influential than it actually is. How many people do you think the alternative community encompasses? 100,000?, 1,000,000?.... out of 7 billion... I dunno, you do the math.

And same with the spiritual community (unfortunately), which IMO is mostly made up of people whose "spirituality" is predominantly based on false teachings and principles that are being propagated through today's New Age Spiritual Movement... which has been heavily influenced by the very people we are talking about (quite deliberately too I might add).

Couldnt agree with you more man,everytime i see people saying the masses are waking up i just shake my head and want to scream and cry my soul out,we havent even started to make any kind of visible and noticeable difference in the way things are in this chaotic world we live in,its hard not to start losing hope this days its getting worse by the day also,i am so sick of this bs omg,tell me when its over please!!!

[GoodETxSG]

HOW POWERFUL ARE THEY??? HOW POWERFUL ARE WE??? 1% VS 99% THEY KNOW THE ODD'S AND ARE SCARED AND AT THEIR MOST DANGEROUS!

ONE ONLY REALLY HAS TRUE POWER OVER YOU WHEN YOU, YOURSELF SUBMIT YOUR SOVEREIGN HUMAN POWER AND RIGHTS TO THEM OUT OF FREE WILL...

OTHERWISE, THE ONLY POWER THEY HAVE IS WHO LIVES AND WHO DIES IN A CONFLICT FOR FREEDOM. THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FREEDOM IS NOW ON THE LINE AS THEY CAN NO LONGER WORK IN THE SHADOWS...

THEY MUST COME OUT AND USE THEIR WEAPONS IN DIRECT WARFARE AGAINST THOSE OF US AWAKE, THOSE OF US WHO REFUSE TO RELINQUISH OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS TO SELF DETERMINATION... OUR POWER!

IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, THE BATTLE IS ON, THE WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED...

So, how many of you are going to shake your fists at the TV and Computer in anger but do nothing? YOU? Well, THEY have conditioned you well then.

Now is the time to organize, demonstrate on the streets and wake up your neighbors and family. With all of the scandals in the news and talk in the office what better time is there?

[GoodETxSG]

AWESOME!!!! I hope you do not mind... I added this to my Facebook Group "Financial and Political Corruption" Feel free to post there any time.

www.facebook.com/BankAndPoliticianFinancialCorruption


Here's a great star wars clip that is an analogy how I see the Illuminati. They are the powers that "were" cause we all have the power to make things right. What has happened to our Republic? it has been transformed by the Cabal. I see them like the Empire and at the end of the video where the Sithlord is defiant till his death is how the Illuminati will go out. They will not give up their power, but believe me when you watch the video when the girl Jedi steps in to the battle is the reason light warriors such as myself are here to fight, resist and help others against the Cabal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ToztqqDcaY

[RMorgan]

Assuming they actually have quoted the whole domain, the question that comes to mind is:
Why the hell would they need be inventing false flag attacks, secret service agents pretending leaking or leak secret information, creating disinformation, etc..


Hey my friend,

This is an important question.

Most people assume that such false flags and fake leaks are failures of their part...Assuming is not a good thing.

Such events could very well be deliberately flawed, for a number of reasons. This is how they operate; through chaos and confusion, not order.

Have in mind that the impact of a disastrous event that leaves margin for discord, controversy and sensationalism is impressively bigger than a perfectly solid and explicable event.

Making people feel confused and lost is a big strategic advantage...Just take a look at this forum, as an example.

The biggest part of threads around here regarding external sources of conspiracy theories is simply laughable...Pure nonsense... Such threads are always pages and pages long. They are the ones who draw more attention.

The precious part of this forum is always related to personal members´s insights, which is valuable information that comes from inside...Such threads are constantly neglected and underestimated.

However, nonsense threads will always and invariably overwhelm those little precious threads that are worthy of paying attention to...They work pretty hard to make things work like this. They understand human psychology better than anyone else and this is what makes them so successful.

As a side note, this is a place where most people are supposed to be awake and aware...Now just imagine what happens in the minds of those who are constantly defined as being asleep?

So, to sum up, they are always throwing the most varied things in the fire, just to keep the smoke so thick, that independently of which group an individual may belong, he´ll rarely be able to see what´s behind it.

They make people busy, worried about the things burning in the fire or analyzing the characteristics of the smoke, remaining completely unaware of what´s behind it, which is the only thing that matters.

The search for the truth could be compared to searching for a needle in a haystack, except that in this case, there are thousands of haystacks, each one with one or more hidden fake shiny needles that are literally indistinguishable from the only needle that matters...

Then people find these fake shiny needles and make themselves busy, sticking them into each other faces, each one claiming that their needle is the needle of truth, while none of them is.

In the meantime, there´s one small and ugly haystack, with a humble little needle hidden inside it...Everybody neglected it, because they are already very busy imposing their needles to everybody else, fighting for their "truths". To make things worse, people started mass producing even shinier and longer needles, to the point that needles themselves became a commodity...Making needles became a very profitable business.

Rain came and washed that small and ugly haystack away, trees grew around it. Then men came, and built a city over that forest. The now rusty and bent little needle is still there, buried deeply underground, below hundreds of tons of concrete, surrounded by a civilization that was built around their own cheap copies of it.

The only one who knows where it is, is the one who put it there, in the first place. He makes needles better than anyone else. Impressively enough, that small little needle is what´s holding everything in place; It´s the foundation of society, and it´s so fragile. Remove it, and everything else falls apart...But you have to find it first, and nobody is looking for it, because people already have an overwhelming number of needles to worry about.

Raf.

[risveglio]

Far as I'm concerned, they ain't too bright. They been workin on this new world order thing, for more than a hunderd years and they ain't made it yet.

I am not so sure. I think they have it and have had it for a long time and none of us even know it.

"The best slave is the one who thinks he is free." ~ Johann von Goethe

[risveglio]

I think we should split this thread to two. Cause I can see it going two ways. We can stick to the rules of the physical world where they do seem to have a ton of physical and mental power. I mean look at how millions of peoples opinions in my country changed on topics such as war, security and civil liberties just because a half-minority with a D next to his name became President. This is a tough battle because though I think more people are becoming aware of the game, nobody know who the enemy really is.

The other way, I guess the Icke way if I understand right is that this really is a game, an illusion. If that is true, then they are just AI like Mr Smith in the matrix, they know nothing but control and pain. If that's true, are we stuck to the rules of the game? As a developer, I know we usually throw in some hot keys or Easter eggs. Is there a hotkey Crtl-L - wake up 30% of population?

Sorry, for the babble, I was trying to think as i typed.

[naste.de.lumina]

Assuming they actually have quoted the whole domain, the question that comes to mind is:
Why the hell would they need be inventing false flag attacks, secret service agents pretending leaking or leak secret information, creating disinformation, etc..


Hey my friend,

This is an important question.

Most people assume that such false flags and fake leaks are failures of their part...Assuming is not a good thing.

Such events could very well be deliberately flawed, for a number of reasons. This is how they operate; through chaos and confusion, not order.

Have in mind that the impact of a disastrous event that leaves margin for discord, controversy and sensationalism is impressively bigger than a perfectly solid and explicable event.

Making people feel confused and lost is a big strategic advantage...Just take a look at this forum, as an example.

The biggest part of threads around here regarding external sources of conspiracy theories is simply laughable...Pure nonsense... Such threads are always pages and pages long. They are the ones who draw more attention.

The precious part of this forum is always related to personal members´s insights, which is valuable information that comes from inside...Such threads are constantly neglected and underestimated.

However, nonsense threads will always and invariably overwhelm those little precious threads that are worthy of paying attention to...They work pretty hard to make things work like this. They understand human psychology better than anyone else and this is what makes them so successful.

As a side note, this is a place where most people are supposed to be awake and aware...Now just imagine what happens in the minds of those who are constantly defined as being asleep?

So, to sum up, they are always throwing the most varied things in the fire, just to keep the smoke so thick, that independently of which group an individual may belong, he´ll rarely be able to see what´s behind it.

They make people busy, worried about the things burning in the fire or analyzing the characteristics of the smoke, remaining completely unaware of what´s behind it, which is the only thing that matters.

The search for the truth could be compared to searching for a needle in a haystack, except that in this case, there are thousands of haystacks, each one with one or more hidden fake shiny needles that are literally indistinguishable from the only needle that matters...

Then people find these fake shiny needles and make themselves busy, sticking them into each other faces, each one claiming that their needle is the needle of truth, while none of them is.

In the meantime, there´s one small and ugly haystack, with a humble little needle hidden inside it...Everybody neglected it, because they are already very busy imposing their needles to everybody else, fighting for their "truths". To make things worse, people started mass producing even shinier and longer needles, to the point that needles themselves became a commodity...Making needles became a very profitable business.

Rain came and washed that small and ugly haystack away, trees grew around it. Then men came, and built a city over that forest. The now rusty and bent little needle is still there, buried deeply underground, below hundreds of tons of concrete, surrounded by a civilization that was built around their own cheap copies of it.

The only one who knows where it is, is the one who put it there, in the first place. He makes needles better than anyone else. Impressively enough, that small little needle is what´s holding everything in place; It´s the foundation of society, and it´s so fragile. Remove it, and everything else falls apart...But you have to find it first, and nobody is looking for it, because people already have an overwhelming number of needles to worry about.

Raf.

Raf friend.
From what I understand and this is a personal view, the false flag event is created when they feel a need to justify measures that would be rejected otherwise. May also have the purpose of distraction and change of focus of a particular event. Can explore both possibilities at the same time. So it is clear that the need to use tricks to direct or confuse the public. The point I'm getting at is the fact that they require the use of these tricks expose the lack of absolute power and full that many people understand that they have.
At this point no matter what or where the real needle.
What matters is that the needle presented by them is false.
From my understanding they are imposing psychological warfare on people who for some reason are managing to stay immune to mind control designed to suppress the resistance.
Despite all the conditioning imposed as a child in order not to challenge the status quo in their determinations of what can be considered true or false,
we can not change the system, that are individually garbage, many people refuse to accept this .
And if these people could not make a difference, they would not spend so much time and resources to try to identify and silence them.
The truth is that they give more value to our power that we as group we see.
Just get resigned and despair will not improve anything our situation.
In fact they are counting on it.
Be at peace.

[jiminii]

they are not too powerful ... go to a country like china or thailand and just live ... no newspapers ... everyday is people with mostly smiling faces .. because it it their custom or their form of culture like being conservative and just live for the first time in bliss ..... you know there is s*** happening .., but you don't hear it ... see it ...see anyone else do it ... and that is this world ....
more or less ... every person creates their own world positive or negative ... step out of the limelight like go live in bhutan ...you are in your own world .. of happiness ... each creates their own illusions .. until someone from the outside starts stepping in ,. and change it so if everyone wanted to just get together and start a barter system .. and spread it as fast as you can like some states are starting to do ... then you start controlling your own universe ...and if you could spread it fast enough with a lot of mouth to mouth PR ... you would have a system that is separate this insane system ... and if the military did show up ... you just greet them with open arms ... let them eat and spread joy and they probably drop their guns or decide to join you and protect you ... until all the lawyers and all the phony doctors and all the phony medical goes bankrupt because they can't get into your barter system ... and the politicians would starve to death ... you would have everyone from the police on up to the military .,,. together in agreement to make a better world ... and the bankers and all their people would starve to death .... because they would have to work like everyone else to eat ...

and you just tell the cabal there is 300 or so million in USA against 10,000 of them ... and the land belongs to the people because the people NEVER AGREED to the system they set up to steal the land .. and you take these handful of conglomerates and tell them the same thing ... and burn all the fields that have GMO products ,... take back the land to the people it belongs to ,... and start creating a sane living for all

now if you can just ignore the governments .. start with the smaller states and get them all to agree to the new system ... that state would no longer belong to the cabal ...

but here is the thing YOU HAVE TO GET UP ENOUGH GUTS TO ORGANIZE ALL OF THIS AND PICK A DATE YOU SUDDENLY MAKE YOUR MOVE ... if you think they can bring in a handful of military to kill off millions of people who will stand up and face them ... the impact it would create on the world would be enough to send millions into the cities to tear down the banks brick by brick

as some people have said ... GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH .... that is why they DROPPED THE BOMB AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER in Japan ... because they KNEW the JAPANESE were NOT AFRAID OF DEATH ... so to prevent anything in the future ... they wanted to HURT THEM SO BAD ... that THEY WOULD BE AFRAID OF DEATH ... DEATH BY RADIATION ... ... by a handful of insane people

jim

[RMorgan]

Raf friend.
From what I understand and this is a personal view, the false flag event is created when they feel a need to justify measures that would be rejected otherwise. May also have the purpose of distraction and change of focus of a particular event. Can explore both possibilities at the same time. So it is clear that the need to use tricks to direct or confuse the public. The point I'm getting at is the fact that they require the use of these tricks expose the lack of absolute power and full that many people understand that they have...

Hi again, my friend.

Again, all these events could simply serve no other purpose but to thicken the smoke screen. Simple and insignificant ordinary maintenance procedures of preventive nature.

It doesn´t mean they fear us. It just means that every machine needs routine maintenance in order to keep working.

All these power disputes occur at a level that makes no difference to them. What looks big to us, is insignificant to them.

Contrary to what people think, they are not interested in money or conventional power. Knowledge is their only interest. They have tasted a small portion of how it feels to have true creative power, and they want more.

They have shaped this society and have been perfecting it according to their goals for centuries. There´s very little that´s out their control, mostly primitive instincts which eventually lead to problems like excessively high birth rates, poverty, excessive consumption of natural resources, pollution, etc...

Ultimately, all this mess of which we accuse them to be responsible, it´s not their fault. It´s exactly the contrary. We´re in this mess because they simply don´t care about controlling some aspects of society. They will not shape society according to our needs, they see as our obligation to shape ourselves according to their structure, and if we don´t, then it´s our problem, not theirs.

What they are really interested is about the nature of the building blocks of reality. We are just of any interest to them as long as we can help them in their research process. We´re both subjects and conductors of the experiment, which is coordinated by them.

From the begining, we just learn what they allow us to learn. They give us useless keys that open doors to nowhere. The idea of resistance looks interesting at first, but without having access to their knowledge, the best it could do is to ultimately destroy the whole system, which would consequently destroy most of us.

They are quite above the levels of society which dedicate resources to silence individuals...These are all superficial matters.

Even people who most consider to be of extreme relevance are nothing but servants, like the Royal Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Presidents and leaders of nations, have no idea of what are their true goals. They´re all puppets seduced by very tempting promises.

This is not a game on which opponents fight for victory. This just is what it is. There´s no game. There´s no dispute. There´s no winner or loser. Everything is where it´s supposed to be and what is not is simply irrelevant.

Please, don´t take my statements as of arrogant nature, because I know nothing as well. I just happen to be part of an incident a few months ago, which involved this very forum, that opened new previously unexplored mind paths, enabling to explore reality from a very unique perspective. It lasted just a few minutes, but it was enough to perceive that absolutely nothing is what it seems to be.

All I know is that in the whole reality of existence, there are certain keys which open certain doors; Sometimes there are very long paths between very important doors, and we happened to be right in the middle of one of these paths. We´re just their ride and we´ll become totally irrelevant as soon as we take them to their next destination. Then, if there´s still enough time to fix things, we´ll be free.

Anyway, this is just my perspective, though.

Raf.

[Curt]

Raf,

This is a fascinating post, and a fresh perspective. I'd be very curious to hear more about this experience you've had and how it has resulted in this new understanding. More than that, I'd be interested in hearing more about the doorways you've described, generally.

Would make a great thread, IMO.

By the way, the insight you shared earlier in the thread about the humble haystack is a profound one.

You definitely do seem to have had some powerful new insights worth sharing, and I'm glad you've begun to do that--for all our sakes.

You're pointing us in the direction of the 'cup of a humble carpenter', to use a metaphor from Indiana Jones.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110317234058/indianajones/images/f/f1/Holy_Grail.jpg




Raf friend.
From what I understand and this is a personal view, the false flag event is created when they feel a need to justify measures that would be rejected otherwise. May also have the purpose of distraction and change of focus of a particular event. Can explore both possibilities at the same time. So it is clear that the need to use tricks to direct or confuse the public. The point I'm getting at is the fact that they require the use of these tricks expose the lack of absolute power and full that many people understand that they have...

Hi again, my friend.

Again, all these events could simply serve no other purpose but to thicken the smoke screen. Simple and insignificant ordinary maintenance procedures of preventive nature.

It doesn´t mean they fear us. It just means that every machine needs routine maintenance in order to keep working.

All these power disputes occur at a level that makes no difference to them. What looks big to us, is insignificant to them.

Contrary to what people think, they are not interested in money or conventional power. Knowledge is their only interest. They have tasted a small portion of how it feels to have true creative power, and they want more.

They have shaped this society and have been perfecting it according to their goals for centuries. There´s very little that´s out their control, mostly primitive instincts which eventually lead to problems like excessively high birth rates, poverty, excessive consumption of natural resources, pollution, etc...

Ultimately, all this mess of which we accuse them to be responsible, it´s not their fault. It´s exactly the contrary. We´re in this mess because they simply don´t care about controlling some aspects of society. They will not shape society according to our needs, they see as our obligation to shape ourselves according to their structure, and if we don´t, then it´s our problem, not theirs.

What they are really interested is about the nature of the building blocks of reality. We are just of any interest to them as long as we can help them in their research process. We´re both subjects and conductors of the experiment, which is coordinated by them.

From the begining, we just learn what they allow us to learn. They give us useless keys that open doors to nowhere. The idea of resistance looks interesting at first, but without having access to their knowledge, the best it could do is to ultimately destroy the whole system, which would consequently destroy most of us.

They are quite above the levels of society which dedicate resources to silence individuals...These are all superficial matters.

Even people who most consider to be of extreme relevance are nothing but servants, like the Royal Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Presidents and leaders of nations, have no idea of what are their true goals. They´re all puppets seduced by very tempting promises.

This is not a game on which opponents fight for victory. This just is what it is. There´s no game. There´s no dispute. There´s no winner or loser. Everything is where it´s supposed to be and what is not is simply irrelevant.

Please, don´t take my statements as of arrogant nature, because I know nothing as well. I just happen to be part of an incident a few months ago, which involved this very forum, that opened new previously unexplored mind paths, enabling to explore reality from a very unique perspective. It lasted just a few minutes, but it was enough to perceive that absolutely nothing is what it seems to be.

All I know is that in the whole reality of existence, there are certain keys which open certain doors; Sometimes there are very long paths between very important doors, and we happened to be right in the middle of one of these paths. We´re just their ride and we´ll become totally irrelevant as soon as we take them to their next destination. Then, if there´s still enough time to fix things, we´ll be free.

Anyway, this is just my perspective, though.

Raf.

[naste.de.lumina]

Raf friend.
From what I understand and this is a personal view, the false flag event is created when they feel a need to justify measures that would be rejected otherwise. May also have the purpose of distraction and change of focus of a particular event. Can explore both possibilities at the same time. So it is clear that the need to use tricks to direct or confuse the public. The point I'm getting at is the fact that they require the use of these tricks expose the lack of absolute power and full that many people understand that they have...

Hi again, my friend.

Again, all these events could simply serve no other purpose but to thicken the smoke screen. Simple and insignificant ordinary maintenance procedures of preventive nature.

It doesn´t mean they fear us. It just means that every machine needs routine maintenance in order to keep working.

All these power disputes occur at a level that makes no difference to them. What looks big to us, is insignificant to them.

Contrary to what people think, they are not interested in money or conventional power. Knowledge is their only interest. They have tasted a small portion of how it feels to have true creative power, and they want more.

They have shaped this society and have been perfecting it according to their goals for centuries. There´s very little that´s out their control, mostly primitive instincts which eventually lead to problems like excessively high birth rates, poverty, excessive consumption of natural resources, pollution, etc...

Ultimately, all this mess of which we accuse them to be responsible, it´s not their fault. It´s exactly the contrary. We´re in this mess because they simply don´t care about controlling some aspects of society. They will not shape society according to our needs, they see as our obligation to shape ourselves according to their structure, and if we don´t, then it´s our problem, not theirs.

What they are really interested is about the nature of the building blocks of reality. We are just of any interest to them as long as we can help them in their research process. We´re both subjects and conductors of the experiment, which is coordinated by them.

From the begining, we just learn what they allow us to learn. They give us useless keys that open doors to nowhere. The idea of resistance looks interesting at first, but without having access to their knowledge, the best it could do is to ultimately destroy the whole system, which would consequently destroy most of us.

They are quite above the levels of society which dedicate resources to silence individuals...These are all superficial matters.

Even people who most consider to be of extreme relevance are nothing but servants, like the Royal Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Presidents and leaders of nations, have no idea of what are their true goals. They´re all puppets seduced by very tempting promises.

This is not a game on which opponents fight for victory. This just is what it is. There´s no game. There´s no dispute. There´s no winner or loser. Everything is where it´s supposed to be and what is not is simply irrelevant.

Please, don´t take my statements as of arrogant nature, because I know nothing as well. I just happen to be part of an incident a few months ago, which involved this very forum, that opened new previously unexplored mind paths, enabling to explore reality from a very unique perspective. It lasted just a few minutes, but it was enough to perceive that absolutely nothing is what it seems to be.

All I know is that in the whole reality of existence, there are certain keys which open certain doors; Sometimes there are very long paths between very important doors, and we happened to be right in the middle of one of these paths. We´re just their ride and we´ll become totally irrelevant as soon as we take them to their next destination. Then, if there´s still enough time to fix things, we´ll be free.

Anyway, this is just my perspective, though.

Raf.

My dear friend.
Relax. I do not take it personally and also do not think you are being arrogant.
I appreciate the views of all. And all opinions somehow serve as contribution in shaping my perspective. Incorporating, modifying or deleting.
For sure I've already changed my outlook as certain experiences occur. Nothing more natural.
From the point of view mentioned in this his last posting:


Even people who most consider to be of extreme relevance are nothing but servants, like the Royal Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Presidents and leaders of nations, have no idea of what are their true goals. They're all puppets seduced by promises very tempting.

And there is inevitably not go into a field beyond the earthly plane, is where I feel more comfortable to discuss, because it is where I am more me or my true self.
Anyway I feel no fear and have a need to go against the archons. After all, the ground plane or out, they have a dependence or need for something that we can generate, otherwise they would not be here.
If anyone would accept playing the bad guy, would not play the good guy.
So yes, it is as it should be.
The difference and its worth in the end is how we view and react to it.
Besides, I have nothing else to do today. Why not play bad guy and good guy?
Big hug.

[ROMANWKT]

Raf friend.
From what I understand and this is a personal view, the false flag event is created when they feel a need to justify measures that would be rejected otherwise. May also have the purpose of distraction and change of focus of a particular event. Can explore both possibilities at the same time. So it is clear that the need to use tricks to direct or confuse the public. The point I'm getting at is the fact that they require the use of these tricks expose the lack of absolute power and full that many people understand that they have...

Hi again, my friend.

Again, all these events could simply serve no other purpose but to thicken the smoke screen. Simple and insignificant ordinary maintenance procedures of preventive nature.

It doesn´t mean they fear us. It just means that every machine needs routine maintenance in order to keep working.

All these power disputes occur at a level that makes no difference to them. What looks big to us, is insignificant to them.

Contrary to what people think, they are not interested in money or conventional power. Knowledge is their only interest. They have tasted a small portion of how it feels to have true creative power, and they want more.

They have shaped this society and have been perfecting it according to their goals for centuries. There´s very little that´s out their control, mostly primitive instincts which eventually lead to problems like excessively high birth rates, poverty, excessive consumption of natural resources, pollution, etc...

Ultimately, all this mess of which we accuse them to be responsible, it´s not their fault. It´s exactly the contrary. We´re in this mess because they simply don´t care about controlling some aspects of society. They will not shape society according to our needs, they see as our obligation to shape ourselves according to their structure, and if we don´t, then it´s our problem, not theirs.

What they are really interested is about the nature of the building blocks of reality. We are just of any interest to them as long as we can help them in their research process. We´re both subjects and conductors of the experiment, which is coordinated by them.

From the begining, we just learn what they allow us to learn. They give us useless keys that open doors to nowhere. The idea of resistance looks interesting at first, but without having access to their knowledge, the best it could do is to ultimately destroy the whole system, which would consequently destroy most of us.

They are quite above the levels of society which dedicate resources to silence individuals...These are all superficial matters.

Even people who most consider to be of extreme relevance are nothing but servants, like the Royal Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Presidents and leaders of nations, have no idea of what are their true goals. They´re all puppets seduced by very tempting promises.

This is not a game on which opponents fight for victory. This just is what it is. There´s no game. There´s no dispute. There´s no winner or loser. Everything is where it´s supposed to be and what is not is simply irrelevant.

Please, don´t take my statements as of arrogant nature, because I know nothing as well. I just happen to be part of an incident a few months ago, which involved this very forum, that opened new previously unexplored mind paths, enabling to explore reality from a very unique perspective. It lasted just a few minutes, but it was enough to perceive that absolutely nothing is what it seems to be.

All I know is that in the whole reality of existence, there are certain keys which open certain doors; Sometimes there are very long paths between very important doors, and we happened to be right in the middle of one of these paths. We´re just their ride and we´ll become totally irrelevant as soon as we take them to their next destination. Then, if there´s still enough time to fix things, we´ll be free.

Anyway, this is just my perspective, though.

Raf.

Hi Morgan

I understand what you mean and where you are going with this, I too came to the same conclusion a long time ago, the realization has to come to you, as to who are they, and who are you yourself, and who do you think they are and what do you think you are, what are they, and what are you, they are what, you are what, we all are, So who the F-ck do you think you are, and who the F-ck do you think they are, shall I continue or do we get the message.

Regards as ever Morgan

roman

[RMorgan]

Raf,

This is a fascinating post, and a fresh perspective. I'd be very curious to hear more about this experience you've had and how it has resulted in this new understanding. More than that, I'd be interested in hearing more about the doorways you've described, generally.

Would make a great thread, IMO.



Hey Curt,

There´s no way to explain my experience, because it was really intense. I took me months to partially figure it out, but it was like someone or something very powerful was trying to communicate an idea that was simply too complex for my mind to comprehend.

I´ll try to illustrate it for you:

Imagine, for illustrative sake, that for an unknown reason, you find yourself in a world where chimps are the dominant species, but they´re not as smart as in the Planet of Apes movie; They are just regular stupid chimps.

You have no idea about how you ended up in this planet, in the first place. You don´t even know who you are. You deduce that it must have something to do with how what you know as reality works.

Time works differently in this planet as well, and you can live indefinitely, so you take your time to study the true properties of reality and eventually you figure out how not only to go back home, wherever it might be, but how to shape reality itself.

It ends up that reality is not as real as you think, but is not an illusion either. It just is what it is, and it´s composed of encrypted building blocks. Then you start dedicating your life to deciphering those codes, sometimes with relatively successful results, but the serious stuff is also seriously encrypted. You can´t solve them on your own.

So, you´re trapped inside a weird planet, surrounded by chimps. You know how to escape and do much more, but you need intellectual and technological help. You can´t do everything on your own.

Then you have the idea to start shaping the chimp society, guiding them through a process that eventually will meet your goals. The problem is that, it´s a slow process. Human thoughts are too big for chimps, you have to go slow, through all the pain of managing evolution and a billion other exhaustive things, pushing intellectual and consequently technological evolution until the chimps can build amazing machines and become fairly intelligent.

You shape their society as a pyramid, so as long as you´re at the top, you can control everyone else by directly controlling just a few chimps. You give them enough power to make them feel powerful, but not enough to make them dangerous. You teach them some tricks, you let them worship you, and even allow them to give subtle tips of your existence through symbols, like drawing your symbolic representation in the back of their currency or building massive pyramidal structures.

Of course, this whole process is extremely messed up. Chimps are primitive animals, and when you tried to accelerate natural evolution, they ended up as weird animals; Intelligent but savage.

Anyway, it doesn´t really matter. They are not your responsibility. You already gave them too much, so you let them handle their own problems, as long as they keep evolving towards the direction that interests you. You have too much to think about; You can´t babysit them. You tried to do that in the past and it didn´t work out. What the chimps do to themselves is not of your concern, as long as they keep going where you want them to go.

Some people refer to Earth as a prison planet. I suspect they are correct, but it is a prison for something else, not us, but for one or a group of beings of extremely complex nature, way above good or evil. They have a purpose and we happened to be the most practical means to achieve their ends.

Ahh...That´s something like it. I can´t even express it correctly in Portuguese, let alone English.

Raf.

[Snookie]

CurtisW, you might find this interview interesting in light of your comments above.


http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2013/06jun/VS-130627-plevy.php


S y n o p s i s

There is a contagious psychospiritual disease of the soul, a parasite of the mind, that is currently being acted out en masse on the world stage via a collective psychosis of titanic proportions. This mind-virus—which Native Americans have called "wetiko"—covertly operates through the unconscious blind spots in the human psyche, rendering people oblivious to their own madness and compelling them to act against their own best interests. Drawing on insights from Jungian psychology, shamanism, alchemy, spiritual wisdom traditions, and personal experience, author Paul Levy shows us that hidden within the venom of wetiko is its own antidote, which once recognized can help us wake up and bring sanity back to our society.

[Curt]

Raf,

That's actually a very clear explanation. Thank you.

I can feel that you're into something pretty profound here, and am inclined to want to press for further explanation, but I'll let it be and hope that in your own good time you'll share more, as and when it makes sense for you.

But it's fascinating stuff, and I have a notion you haven't even scratched the surface of your experience yet.

Snookie, thanks for the link. I'll definitely take a look. :)

I feel fortunate I happened to log in to PA and see this thread when I did. After all, as you've said, Raf, there are many haystacks, and very few valuable needles, so it's rewarding to find one of the good ones.

[naste.de.lumina]

Raf,

This is a fascinating post, and a fresh perspective. I'd be very curious to hear more about this experience you've had and how it has resulted in this new understanding. More than that, I'd be interested in hearing more about the doorways you've described, generally.

Would make a great thread, IMO.



Hey Curt,

There´s no way to explain my experience, because it was really intense. I took me months to partially figure it out, but it was like someone or something very powerful was trying to communicate an idea that was simply too complex for my mind to comprehend.

I´ll try to illustrate it for you:

Imagine, for illustrative sake, that for an unknown reason, you find yourself in a world where chimps are the dominant species, but they´re not as smart as in the Planet of Apes movie; They are just regular stupid chimps.

You have no idea about how you ended up in this planet, in the first place. You don´t even know who you are. You deduce that it must have something to do with how what you know as reality works.

Time works differently in this planet as well, and you can live indefinitely, so you take your time to study the true properties of reality and eventually you figure out how not only to go back home, wherever it might be, but how to shape reality itself.

It ends up that reality is not as real as you think, but is not an illusion either. It just is what it is, and it´s composed of encrypted building blocks. Then you start dedicating your life to deciphering those codes, sometimes with relatively successful results, but the serious stuff is also seriously encrypted. You can´t solve them on your own.

So, you´re trapped inside a weird planet, surrounded by chimps. You know how to escape and do much more, but you need intellectual and technological help. You can´t do everything on your own.

Then you have the idea to start shaping the chimp society, guiding them through a process that eventually will meet your goals. The problem is that, it´s a slow process. Human thoughts are too big for chimps, you have to go slow, through all the pain of managing evolution and a billion other exhaustive things, pushing intellectual and consequently technological evolution until the chimps can build amazing machines and become fairly intelligent.

You shape their society as a pyramid, so as long as you´re at the top, you can control everyone else by directly controlling just a few chimps. You give them enough power to make them feel powerful, but not enough to make them dangerous. You teach them some tricks, you let them worship you, and even allow them to give subtle tips of your existence through symbols, like drawing your symbolic representation in the back of their currency or building massive pyramidal structures.

Of course, this whole process is extremely messed up. Chimps are primitive animals, and when you tried to accelerate natural evolution, they ended up as weird animals; Intelligent but savage.

Anyway, it doesn´t really matter. They are not your responsibility. You already gave them too much, so you let them handle their own problems, as long as they keep evolving towards the direction that interests you. You have too much to think about; You can´t babysit them. You tried to do that in the past and it didn´t work out. What the chimps do to themselves is not of your concern, as long as they keep going where you want them to go.

Some people refer to Earth as a prison planet. I suspect they are correct, but it is a prison for something else, not us, but for one or a group of beings of extremely complex nature, way above good or evil. They have a purpose and we happened to be the most practical means to achieve their ends.

Ahh...That´s something like it. I can´t even express it correctly in Portuguese, let alone English.

Raf.

Hey friend.
And I think you described a very interesting way. Resonates well with me.
I think I understand, or at least had a good perception of what you propose.
And I agree with at least a 60%. Not that I disagree with the other 40%, but because I find that they are missing.
This is a particular view.

I would add a point of fundamental importance.
They felt entitled to intervene and modify a work that already has an administrator. What are our creators.

These entities we use for your purpose, are also being used by other entities for other purposes, these entities that created and allowed there to be the possibility of everything as is, or appears to be. And now we have an individual perception, what makes us unique. Generating plant different personal realities and complex emotions. An experiment of extraordinary complexity and depth.

The spirits who are here at this time of the collective reality of the earth, are those who believe that this experience was what was best in our universe to deepen our wisdom, so we also become more powerful.

The problem is that we forget that, and these entities that use us to reach your purposes, this contributed to our forgetfulness. Just as they need our physical and mental effort to achieve a physical goal and technology, they can not do anything if we decide to stop.

The game is to understand, decide, and act. We have already won. The very object of learning is already being achieved. Moreover, we have only eternity, as you said, time does not exist.

Thanks for the opportunity to explore topic so enthralling.
Be at peace.

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[Bubu]

Hi Raf,

The biggest part of threads around here regarding external sources of conspiracy theories is simply laughable...Pure nonsense... Such threads are always pages and pages long. They are the ones who draw more attention.

The precious part of this forum is always related to personal members´s insights, which is valuable information that comes from inside...Such threads are constantly neglected and underestimated.

However, nonsense threads will always and invariably overwhelm those little precious threads that are worthy of paying attention to...They work pretty hard to make things work like this. They understand human psychology better than anyone else and this is what makes them so successful.

Now to me that's a lot of sense. Glad to hear that from you

Even people who most consider to be of extreme relevance are nothing but servants, like the Royal Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Presidents and leaders of nations, have no idea of what are their true goals. They´re all puppets seduced by very tempting promises.


So, you´re trapped inside a weird planet, surrounded by chimps. You know how to escape and do much more, but you need intellectual and technological help. You can´t do everything on your own.

Then you have the idea to start shaping the chimp society, guiding them through a process that eventually will meet your goals. The problem is that, it´s a slow process. Human thoughts are too big for chimps, you have to go slow, through all the pain of managing evolution and a billion other exhaustive things, pushing intellectual and consequently technological evolution until the chimps can build amazing machines and become fairly intelligent.

You shape their society as a pyramid, so as long as you´re at the top, you can control everyone else by directly controlling just a few chimps. You give them enough power to make them feel powerful, but not enough to make them dangerous. You teach them some tricks, you let them worship you, and even allow them to give subtle tips of your existence through symbols, like drawing your symbolic representation in the back of their currency or building massive pyramidal structures.


This also resonates with my idea.

Of course, this whole process is extremely messed up. Chimps are primitive animals, and when you tried to accelerate natural evolution, they ended up as weird animals; Intelligent but savage.

Now this ones something that contradicts. If you look at how they promote violence through media and violent video games it will be very clear that they are not in to evolution of humanity but rather devolution. They are actually causing the chimps to be savage.

Simple fact is they are deliberately causing wars famine disease sufferings you name it. They have the knowledge to play with our minds they could have made it more caring and loving but they choose otherwise.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi all, this is a copy and paste from Project Camelot on Kerrys Blog.

01 July 2013
SILENT WEAPONS QUIET WARS

Posted in Kerry's Blog

The following document was sent to me... worth reading.

SILENT WEAPONS FOR QUIET WARS

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml

It is worth noting that there is a clear change in approach from the illuminati--controllers on Planet Earth since December of 2012. The gloves are off... They are no longer concerned with the facade of secrecy. They now feel their rule is evident and solidified and they are now working on simply announcing this to the world. My interview with the Super Soldiers (see above on this page to view or go here.

What that means to you is that they are now flaunting their dominion over you and the Earth and since they no longer feel they need to hide they will roll out with more obvious in-your-face style their agenda. Some will say they have always done so but no one realized it. And yes, they have always believed in 'hiding in plain site'. But this is another level of that approach. Watch and listen.

And what this means is that as their arrogance increases their ability to deal with the rise in consciousness decreases.... You don't have to take it!

This is war and we are the ones we have been waiting for. Wait no longer. You decide how you approach the coming days and years. Share and be vigilant. The one thing they will do in their arrogance is under estimate you!

Keep this in mind. Never under estimate the opposition.

Note on recent museum exhibits.... It is no accident that recent museum exhibits in Paris and London include a focus on vampires and blood lust. Understand this is what they are selling.... Are you buying?

Simply watching the latest movies tells you a lot about where they are headed.... OBLIVION, OYMPUS HAS FALLEN, WHITE HOUSE DOWN, AFTER EARTH, and so on...

[ROMANWKT]

It would be best for all to find out what we are really dealing with.

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Regards

roman

[shadowstalker]

The elitist of the world always have been and always will be weak.
A person or group with any real strength of heart would never impose there will upon anyone for any reason.
Have you ever noticed that when folks like us break free from their chains they make the chains longer, soon the chain will be so long that we can en-prison them with there own chains, and they will be held accountable,(lord knows when) but it will happen, empires never live long.
This is all cyclical.

[ROMANWKT]

The elitist of the world always have been and always will be weak.
A person or group with any real strength of heart would never impose there will upon anyone for any reason.
Have you ever notice that when folks like us break free from their chains they make the chains longer, soon the chain will be so long that we can en-prison them with there own chains, and they will be held accountable,(lord knows when) but it will happen, empires never live long.
This is all cyclical.

Hi shadowstalker

These people have been manipulating humanity for the last 17,000 thousand years, that is just way long enough.

Warmest regards to you, hope all is well for you shadowstalker


roman

[ROMANWKT]

Check this video out, it put a perspective of where we are all heading.MkAn3VIe1yQ

Regards

roman

[Curt]

I'm wondering why, in discussions of financial collapse and currency collapse, there is almost never any mention of the GB Pound.

It's the dollar and Euro they say will fail. Is there a reason for this?

Is there a different plan for Britain? Anyone have any insight on this?

http://www.gocurrency.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/one-pound-coin.jpg

[Sgt-Bones]

CurtisW, you might find this interview interesting in light of your comments above.


http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2013/06jun/VS-130627-plevy.php


S y n o p s i s

There is a contagious psychospiritual disease of the soul, a parasite of the mind, that is currently being acted out en masse on the world stage via a collective psychosis of titanic proportions. This mind-virus—which Native Americans have called "wetiko"—covertly operates through the unconscious blind spots in the human psyche, rendering people oblivious to their own madness and compelling them to act against their own best interests. Drawing on insights from Jungian psychology, shamanism, alchemy, spiritual wisdom traditions, and personal experience, author Paul Levy shows us that hidden within the venom of wetiko is its own antidote, which once recognized can help us wake up and bring sanity back to our society.

Well, well, what a surprise... didn't expect to see anyone referencing Paul Levy or 'wetiko' on this thread ;)

How very appropriate, good thinkin' Snookie.

If anyone has the time, I highly recommend checking out Paul's work (especially his research into 'wetiko').

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this material, here are a couple of links that will get you up to speed pretty quick:

Let's Spread The Word - Wetiko (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17c.htm)
The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known To Humanity (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17a.htm)
Vampire Squid Economics: a case study in full blown wetiko disease (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17b.htm)

And for those of you who prefer to watch/listen rather than read, this is quite a good little introductory video:

Red Ice Radio - Paul Levy - Hour 1 - Dispelling Wetiko - Breaking the Curse of Evil
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As you will no doubt recognise, Paul is one of the few people on this planet who truly understands what is happening to us (humanity).... how... and why.

Interesting stuff, and well worth a look if you have the time/inclination.

[turiya]

Then there are cracks between the factions of his own cabal that inevitably are exposing that they are not as organized and concise as they appear.
This video and story below, somehow show that they at least are having to be more exposed, in an attempt to implement their plans.
Or maybe it's really a rift. Anyway they are already on the radar of many people who agreed and their manipulations are being debunked.
Do not swallow more BS so easily.


Zbigniew Brzezinski on Syria: US is engaging in "mass propaganda", "Who's fighting for democracy?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SXBeMhIgFo

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Kissinger says US media lying about Syria
Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:11PM
Former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger

Former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger says the American media are not telling the truth about the current situation in Syria.

“In the American press it’s described as a conflict between democracy and a dictator- and the dictator is killing his own people, and we’ve got to punish him. But that’s not what’s going on,” he said during a speech at the Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan.

“It is now a civil war between sectarian groups,” Kissinger added.
Source: http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/310927.html

From watching this video interview (http://www.fordschool.umich.edu/news/?news_id=1106), it clearly shows (about 20-25 minutes into it) that its true, Kissinger states that the US media is lying about Syria. But Kissinger also throws his own pack of lies onto that - about the never-ending war on al-CIA-duh terror being a true reality. Yes, Kissinger is correct, the US media is lying about Syria, but Kissinger is also throwing his own pile of BS on top of that statement.

Watching this interview: notice how he states that because Bashar Assad was a practicing opthamologist in England prior to being called back to Syria, due to the death of his brother from an auto accident. And because of this, it shows that Assad never really had an overwhelming desire for being a powerful dictator, which makes him unfit to be a good leader, according to Kissinger. Ha! Ha! Ha!

This clearly shows what Kissinger's criteria is for being a true leader of a nation - having a lust for power. Oh, the sick mind of this man...
In my book, this shows that Bashar Assad was indeed a much better leader than what the media circus, Kissinger included, is trying to make him out to be. That is imo.

Have you ever seen a snake shed its own skin? Well, watch the interview & listen to the laughs & applause by the fools that are attending this event. Waking up for the masses is a bottom-up affair. The most ignorant in this country are those that think they have been well educated.

Also notice the blacken/blue backside of both Kissinger's hands - a sign that he's been receiving intravenous feedings/injections on multiple occasions. His number is coming up soon, imo.

turiya :cool:

[The Truth Is In There]

satan (jhvh) rules this world through his "chosen people". the illuminati are just a front created by the same race that created communism, capitalism, socialism, democracy, banks, ad debt-based money system, hollywood, slavery, multi-culturalism, gay-pride and all the other fancy things that have been sold to people as great ideas at one time or another. have none of you ever thought it odd that you can bash everyone without getting angry or scandalized looks from other people except this certain race? most of the world today is in satan's pocket through his chosen people. they admit that satan is their god, that all other races are worthless animals, their agenda of enslavement and elimination of all other races is in their holy books (talmud, torah, schulchan aruch), and still most people, even among the so-called "conspiracy theorists", are too dumb to recognize the deceiver and enemy of mankind working through them. they hack at the countless branches instead of going for the root. well done, mr. jhvh, the world is yours on a golden platter!

[Maunagarjana]

Raf,

This is a fascinating post, and a fresh perspective. I'd be very curious to hear more about this experience you've had and how it has resulted in this new understanding. More than that, I'd be interested in hearing more about the doorways you've described, generally.

Would make a great thread, IMO.



Hey Curt,

There´s no way to explain my experience, because it was really intense. I took me months to partially figure it out, but it was like someone or something very powerful was trying to communicate an idea that was simply too complex for my mind to comprehend.

I´ll try to illustrate it for you:

Imagine, for illustrative sake, that for an unknown reason, you find yourself in a world where chimps are the dominant species, but they´re not as smart as in the Planet of Apes movie; They are just regular stupid chimps.

You have no idea about how you ended up in this planet, in the first place. You don´t even know who you are. You deduce that it must have something to do with how what you know as reality works.

Time works differently in this planet as well, and you can live indefinitely, so you take your time to study the true properties of reality and eventually you figure out how not only to go back home, wherever it might be, but how to shape reality itself.

It ends up that reality is not as real as you think, but is not an illusion either. It just is what it is, and it´s composed of encrypted building blocks. Then you start dedicating your life to deciphering those codes, sometimes with relatively successful results, but the serious stuff is also seriously encrypted. You can´t solve them on your own.

So, you´re trapped inside a weird planet, surrounded by chimps. You know how to escape and do much more, but you need intellectual and technological help. You can´t do everything on your own.

Then you have the idea to start shaping the chimp society, guiding them through a process that eventually will meet your goals. The problem is that, it´s a slow process. Human thoughts are too big for chimps, you have to go slow, through all the pain of managing evolution and a billion other exhaustive things, pushing intellectual and consequently technological evolution until the chimps can build amazing machines and become fairly intelligent.

You shape their society as a pyramid, so as long as you´re at the top, you can control everyone else by directly controlling just a few chimps. You give them enough power to make them feel powerful, but not enough to make them dangerous. You teach them some tricks, you let them worship you, and even allow them to give subtle tips of your existence through symbols, like drawing your symbolic representation in the back of their currency or building massive pyramidal structures.

Of course, this whole process is extremely messed up. Chimps are primitive animals, and when you tried to accelerate natural evolution, they ended up as weird animals; Intelligent but savage.

Anyway, it doesn´t really matter. They are not your responsibility. You already gave them too much, so you let them handle their own problems, as long as they keep evolving towards the direction that interests you. You have too much to think about; You can´t babysit them. You tried to do that in the past and it didn´t work out. What the chimps do to themselves is not of your concern, as long as they keep going where you want them to go.

Some people refer to Earth as a prison planet. I suspect they are correct, but it is a prison for something else, not us, but for one or a group of beings of extremely complex nature, way above good or evil. They have a purpose and we happened to be the most practical means to achieve their ends.

Ahh...That´s something like it. I can´t even express it correctly in Portuguese, let alone English.

Raf.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting you here, but you seem to be suggesting here that you think these people (call them what you will) are actually genetically and intellectually superior to the rest of us. In other words, if you were to take one of their children or even one of their bastards of a mixed pedigree and raise it in an average home with average parents and an average education and so forth, they would likely distinguish themselves no matter what path they took, and would in most cases come to the notice of those at the very top. For some reason I am thinking now of the theory that Bill Clinton's real father was Winthrop Rockefeller. I have no idea if there's any truth to that theory, I just offer it to illustrate what I mean.

I'm not really sure that they are fundamentally superior in their inherent capabilities to the rest of us. I would guess that they probably think that they are, and that in those circles of individuals that's it's an unspoken assumption that they are, but to me that's just their vanity and conditioning and an expression of their inability to recognize the extent of the privileges that they acquired just by virtue of being born into a certain family. I think what they know about the true nature of reality that the rest of us don't (what they have "decrypted") is in the internet age leaking out in a myriad of ways. I would guess that the only difference between someone like the average seeker of esoteric knowledge and them is that they have the money and connections to actually do something with their knowledge other than just to try to sneak a peek behind a smokescreen.

PS About your quote: The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence - Aldous Huxley.

I would go further and say the even deeper sin is to disbelieve something without doing ones due diligence in investigating the evidence that is available. I come across this a lot in my conversations with skeptics.

[ROMANWKT]

Shatan is a Hebrew word for when you have a conflict within your hemispheres of the left or right, or when its the head against the heart, that nudging is called shatan, so Satan or Satanist are BS as the rest of them who believe in complete nonsense, they are nothing just a bunch of psychopaths, its the same as the 40 foot turd called Molech, all Babylonian BS, don't fall into the trap of fear, they do this to keep you away from the hidden, which would wake you all up with real knowledge, not some BS beliefs.

Warmest regards to all

roman

Keep listening to the recordings, there is knowledge there.

[RMorgan]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting you here, but you seem to be suggesting here that you think these people (call them what you will) are actually genetically and intellectually superior to the rest of us. In other words, if you were to take one of their children or even one of their bastards of a mixed pedigree and raise it in an average home with average parents and an average education and so forth, they would likely distinguish themselves no matter what path they took, and would in most cases come to the notice of those at the very top. For some reason I am thinking now of the theory that Bill Clinton's real father was Winthrop Rockefeller. I have no idea if there's any truth to that theory, I just offer it to illustrate what I mean.

I'm not really sure that they are fundamentally superior in their inherent capabilities to the rest of us. I would guess that they probably think that they are, and that in those circles of individuals that's it's an unspoken assumption that they are, but to me that's just their vanity and conditioning and an expression of their inability to recognize the extent of the privileges that they acquired just by virtue of being born into a certain family. I think what they know about the true nature of reality that the rest of us don't (what they have "decrypted") is in the internet age leaking out in a myriad of ways. I would guess that the only difference between someone like the average seeker of esoteric knowledge and them is that they have the money and connections to actually do something with their knowledge other than just to try to sneak a peek behind a smokescreen.

PS About your quote: The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence - Aldous Huxley.

I would go further and say the even deeper sin is to disbelieve something without doing ones due diligence in investigating the evidence that is available. I come across this a lot in my conversations with skeptics.

Yes...you´re kind of misinterpreting me, and not, at the same time.

These folks, the Royal Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc...Are not actually on top of the pyramid. They are puppets like anyone else and just regular humans, despite knowing some tricks that allows them to do certain things that most people can´t. Call it black magic, if you want, but magic is nothing but the knowledge of reality and how it works, which allows one to manipulate reality in different degrees.

As I said, that are certain keys that open certain doors...Passwords, rituals and formulas that enables to directly manipulate the very fabric of reality itself.

However, as I said, these families are not Illuminati. The Illuminati is above them. These families are indeed partially responsible for all this mess, just like we´re responsible as well for supporting their businesses, but their actions are mostly irrelevant to their commanders.

Honestly, I don´t know more about this subject than anyone else...I don´t have any tangible evidence to show either, but I´m just exposing my thoughts, not trying to convince anyone or trying to solidify a theory. The only evidence I have is only relevant to myself, because it´s derivative from personal experiences.

Basically, what I suspect is that the real Illuminati is composed of humans who have been living on this planet for a very long time; They probably came from ancient civilizations that we´ve never heard of, and were involved with something equivalent to what we know as alchemy.

Again, this could all be pure nonsense...I don´t know. I just have my reasons to believe that, but there´s nothing I can do to convince you of that, and frankly, I don´t even want to convince anyone because I know I may be totally wrong.

Cheers,

Raf.

[sirdipswitch]

Far as I'm concerned, they ain't too bright. They been workin on this new world order thing, for more than a hunderd years and they ain't made it yet.


But... chuckle chuckle chuckle... That's not to say that They are not doing anything. THEY, just don't seem to be in a real big hurry about it.

I have a copy of the Illuminati Manifesto, as it was written in 1954, at Jeckle Island, and They are doing everything They said They would do. They said it was the beginning of WW III. The silent war, and that not a shot, would need to be fired, to change to a one world government. One of the things listed that would need to be in place, was a computer system that could "Track" everything, and everyone. 1954? Computer wasn't even a word yet. We still had adding machines with a crank handle. Cash registers still had a crank handle. Typewritters were still bang em out with stiff fingers. Computer?

Do any of you have tose handy little "store cards", on your key rings, so that you can get those nifty little store discounts? Checking account? Gas cards, credit cards, debit cards, membership card of any sort? Consummer tracking at its' finest. They can track everything we do. Oh yah, don't forget "street cams". ccc.

They also said that: "Intelligent beings, that refuse to use their intelligence, are no better than animals, who have no intelligence"!

I had a house in town, and was sitting there one day and all of a sudden it was like, a traffic jam of police cars in front of my house. I jumped up to peer out of the blinds to see them running at my next door neighbors house with a battering ram, and bang, through the front door they went. I opened my door to get a better look and there was a swat team member standing there looking like JI JOE, telling me that I had NO business out there. I closed the door, headed out the back, to find more in my back yard, telling me the same, and these guys had their M-16's pointing at the back door of my neighbor.

I knew my neighbors, they were nice people. Sure was a good thing they weren't home. ccc.

Wrong address!!!!!!!! They thought it was the home of a gun dealer from Texas. Their home was ransacked, completely. There wasn't anything that wasn't turned upside down and emptyed. Nothing. They tried for months to get re-embersement, but never even got a an appology. I moved. To another town. ccc.

When "They" decide to move against us, we do NOT have the means to stop them. Period. That is... you don't. I do.

Awake? .01% awake? More like .000001% awake. There are really quite few of us that are awake enough, with the ability to stop Them, from harming us. And when They learn of us, They do try. ccc.

Of course a Plug for my thread is comming. cccc

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul-and-OBE


:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Nickolai]

Dear Snookie,

The link available to the members only... Sad! The Synopsis sounds true.

Nickolai

[Sgt-Bones]

Dear Snookie,

The link available to the members only... Sad! The Synopsis sounds true.

Nickolai


CurtisW, you might find this interview interesting in light of your comments above.


http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2013/06jun/VS-130627-plevy.php


S y n o p s i s

There is a contagious psychospiritual disease of the soul, a parasite of the mind, that is currently being acted out en masse on the world stage via a collective psychosis of titanic proportions. This mind-virus—which Native Americans have called "wetiko"—covertly operates through the unconscious blind spots in the human psyche, rendering people oblivious to their own madness and compelling them to act against their own best interests. Drawing on insights from Jungian psychology, shamanism, alchemy, spiritual wisdom traditions, and personal experience, author Paul Levy shows us that hidden within the venom of wetiko is its own antidote, which once recognized can help us wake up and bring sanity back to our society.

Hi Nickolai,

This is not the same interview that Snookie linked to, but Paul does cover off all the same material.


Well, well, what a surprise... didn't expect to see anyone referencing Paul Levy or 'wetiko' on this thread ;)

How very appropriate, good thinkin' Snookie.

If anyone has the time, I highly recommend checking out Paul's work (especially his research into 'wetiko').

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this material, here are a couple of links that will get you up to speed pretty quick:

Let's Spread The Word - Wetiko (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17c.htm)
The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known To Humanity (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17a.htm)
Vampire Squid Economics: a case study in full blown wetiko disease (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17b.htm)

And for those of you who prefer to watch/listen rather than read, this is quite a good little introductory video:

Red Ice Radio - Paul Levy - Hour 1 - Dispelling Wetiko - Breaking the Curse of Evil
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As you will no doubt recognise, Paul is one of the few people on this planet who truly understands what is happening to us (humanity).... how... and why.

Interesting stuff, and well worth a look if you have the time/inclination.

[GoodETxSG]

Sir, could you give a summary or description of what all of these links are? Especially the MP3 links. One has to be cautious on links with certain extensions these days because of malware and other dangerous code. Much appreciated, I am interested but cautious.


It would be best for all to find out what we are really dealing with.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60387--Important--Every-Human-Being-Should-Own-And-Read-This-90-Page-Book-Daily


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59941-Solipsism-the-biggest-spiritual-Con.



http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-001.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-002.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-003.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-004.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-005.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-006.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-007.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-008.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-009.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-010.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-011.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-012.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-013.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-014.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-015.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-016.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-017.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-018.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-019.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcasts/WOEIH-020.mp3


http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast get all the podcasts from here right up to number 143


Regards

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Hi GoodeTXSG

So sorry about that, these lectures are 2 hours each, and I should of described them from the start, but I am to far ahead to remember what its content from recording 1.

This is a most important lectures for beginners and for people who have been on to the truth for a long time, the dots and understanding is there, and a very important even for old timers.

I have downloaded all of them twice, and can vouch for their uncorrupted data, I have System mechanic pro and it would immediately warn me of anything trying to get in or out virus wise and firewall, or stealth.

Please don't hold yourself back, and download with confidence, you will for sure learn a lot.

warmest regards

roman

[Soulboy]

Hi GoodeTXSG

So sorry


Hi Roman,

so sorry to tell you that these links don't work. Could be just my computer, but the last one (no. 20) works, the others don't. It re-directs me to their web-hosting company.

I saw you talk about them in a previous post and was tempted to dl, but didn't until trying now.

Thanks

[ROMANWKT]

Hi GoodeTXSG

So sorry


Hi Roman,

so sorry to tell you that these links don't work. Could be just my computer, but the last one (no. 20) works, the others don't. It re-directs me to their web-hosting company.

I saw you talk about them in a previous post and was tempted to dl, but didn't until trying now.

Thanks

Hi Soulboy

Yes you're right, it has happened before, I did warn people to download this info, its pretty damming stuff truth is, it came back later, maybe he is upgrading the system server, we will have to wait and see, if it returns, if it does, please give it a big chance for yourself, you will learn a lot of very valuable things for your life, and be able to help others.

Regards to you Soulboy

roman