Wetiko

[ponda]

Interesting discussion here between Paul Levy and Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice Radio.They discuss Paul's new book 'Wetiko' and touch on theme's such as that humans are infected by a type of mind virus or psychic parasite that is part of a larger field that surrounds us and effects all of us to some extent.Wetiko might be our enemy and one of the reasons why the world is the way it is but it might also be a catalyst that helps us to awaken.Interesting interview




Paul is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence, as well as an innovator in the field of dreaming, a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over 30 years and the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, as well as the book we'll discuss, Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity. Paul says our species is clearly in the middle of a mass psychic epidemic, which he calls malignant egophrenia and Native Americans call wetiko psychosis. There is a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul whose origin is within ourselves that has the potential either to destroy our species or wake us up, depending upon whether or not we recognize what it is revealing to us. We'll discuss how Wetiko operates, what it needs and how it mutates. Paul talks about co-collective creation, our unconscious mind and shadow self. He also explains how Wetiko can actually be the greatest gift.



http://rediceradio.net/radio/2012/RIR-120308-plevy-hr1.mp3


Or listen here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/03/RIR-120308.php

[heyokah]

Thank you ponda,
I've listened to this interview and think it's very interesting.
Never heard or read about this wetiko psychosis.

Pity that for the second hour one has to be a member of Red Ice Creations.
Well, maybe it's worth it, for they have great interviews.

[heyokah]

I don't do this often, but this time......

:bump:

[leavesoftrees]

Thank you ponda,
Pity that for the second hour one has to be a member of Red Ice Creations.
Well, maybe it's worth it, for they have great interviews.

Yes it's worth it. As you say there are some great interviews on RI. Good to give something back for all the work Hendrik does

[Delight]

Interesting discussion here between Paul Levy and Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice Radio.They discuss Paul's new book 'Wetiko' and touch on theme's such as that humans are infected by a type of mind virus or psychic parasite that is part of a larger field that surrounds us and effects all of us to some extent.Wetiko might be our enemy and one of the reasons why the world is the way it is but it might also be a catalyst that helps us to awaken.Interesting interview




Paul is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence, as well as an innovator in the field of dreaming, a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over 30 years and the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, as well as the book we'll discuss, Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity. Paul says our species is clearly in the middle of a mass psychic epidemic, which he calls malignant egophrenia and Native Americans call wetiko psychosis. There is a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul whose origin is within ourselves that has the potential either to destroy our species or wake us up, depending upon whether or not we recognize what it is revealing to us. We'll discuss how Wetiko operates, what it needs and how it mutates. Paul talks about co-collective creation, our unconscious mind and shadow self. He also explains how Wetiko can actually be the greatest gift.



http://rediceradio.net/radio/2012/RIR-120308-plevy-hr1.mp3


Or listen here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/03/RIR-120308.php

How did you insert that player here?
This is a really valuable interview.
I have a subscription to Redice and feel it is really worth it to hear the second hours of interviews. Here is a link to an article by Paul Levy on Reality Sandwich

http://www.realitysandwich.com/node/84778

The idea that there is a virus that has infected humanity is also described by the Gnostics as The Archons and by shamanic traditions as the "Flyers". It is one of the most challenging but liberating ideas I have come across. If we do assume that this is the case and that we must be vigilant and proactive, we are in a much more empowered position than in ignorance and unconsciousness.

Here is an excerpt about Flyers and what we might see as a stance of power
from Castaneda's book "Active Side of Infinity"
Don Juan:

The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were
the first ones to see those fleeting shadows, so they followed them around.
They saw them as you're seeing them, and they saw them as energy that
flows in the universe. And they did discover something transcendental."
He stopped talking and looked at me. His pauses were perfectly
placed. He always stopped talking when I was hanging by a thread.
"What did they discover, don Juan?" I asked.

"They discovered that we have a companion for life," he said, as
clearly as he could. "We have a predator that came from the depths of the
cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners.
The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we
want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it
demands that we don't do so."...


"Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're
describing, don Juan?" I asked. "There must be a logical explanation."

"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest
explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and
they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear
chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops,
humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them.".....


....... Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems
of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil,
our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations
and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed,
and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and
egomaniacal."

"But how can they do this, don Juan?" .............

.................." In order to keep
us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a
stupendous maneuver-stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a
fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those
who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give
us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque,
contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute
now.

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger," he went
on, "you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the
predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be
uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after
all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings
whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree
of security to act as a buffer against their fear."


......"There's nothing that you and I can do about it," don Juan said in a
grave, sad voice. "All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where
they will not touch us. How can you ask your fellow men to go through
those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more
aggressive ones will beat the **** out of you. And not so much because they
don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there's an
ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence."

"Whenever doubts plague you to a dangerous point," he said, "do
something pragmatic about it. Turn off the light. Pierce the darkness; find
out what you can see."......


........"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple
predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to
render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no
longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for
man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of
meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."....

"This predator," don Juan said, "which, of course, is an inorganic
being, is not altogether invisible to us, as other inorganic beings are. 1 think
as children we do see it and decide it's so horrific that we don't want to think
about it. Children, of course, could insist on focusing on the sight, but
everybody else around them dissuades them from doing so.

"The only alternative left for mankind," he continued, "is discipline.
Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh
routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing
cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as
the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our
expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without
flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled
with awe."

"In what way would the sorcerers' discipline be a deterrent?" I asked.
"Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness
unpalatable to the flyer," don Juan said, scrutinizing my face as if to discover
any signs of disbelief. "The result is that the predators become bewildered.
An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I
suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than
refraining from continuing their nefarious task.

"If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while,"
he went on, "it'll keep on growing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I
can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away
long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the
level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to
its natural size.

The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of
awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and
volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous
maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.

"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times," don Juan
continued, "was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out
that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation
would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver
the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation
comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which
the fleeing of the 'flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day it flees
permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on
your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to
do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're
accustomed to.

"My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples," don
Juan continued, "that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life, for the
real mind that belongs to us, the sum total of our experience, after a lifetime
of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, 1
would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is
merely preparation."....


.......He looked at me and smiled maliciously. "The flyers' mind flees
forever," he said, "when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating
force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer
maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And
that's exactly what you are going to do: hold on to the energy that binds you
together."

I had the most inexplicable reaction I could have imagined.
Something in me actually shook, as if it had received a jolt. I entered into a
state of unwarranted fear, which I immediately associated with my religious
background.

Don Juan looked at me from head to toe.

"You are fearing the wrath of God, aren't you?" he said. "Rest assured,
that's not your fear. It's the flyers' fear, because it knows that you will do
exactly as I'm telling you.".....

....."You're being torn by an internal struggle," don Juan said. "Down in
the depths of you, you know that you are incapable of refusing the
agreement that an indispensable part of you, your glowing coat of
awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment
to, naturally, incomprehensible entities. And another part of you will stand
against this situation with all its might.

"The sorcerers' revolution," he continued, "is that they refuse to honor
agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I
would consent to be eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My
parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's
the end of the story."....

"The flyers are an essential part of the universe," he went on, "and
they must be taken as what they really are-awesome, monstrous. They are
the means by which the universe tests us.

"We are energetic probes created by the universe," he continued as if
he were oblivious to my presence, "and it's because we are possessors of
energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe
becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They
cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe
allows us to continue."

[ponda]

Delight said:

How did you insert that player here?
This is a really valuable interview.
I have a subscription to Redice and feel it is really worth it to hear the second hours of interviews. Here is a link to an article by Paul Levy on Reality Sandwich



To insert an mp3 you click on the link in the quick reply set up.The one next to the utube link and insert the mp3 link inside it.I'm not sure if you will be able to link up the 2nd hour of the interview this way though.


Yes i also found similarities between Wetiko and Castenada's flyers and the Gnostics mind parasites and archons etc.Very interesting the idea that the virus influences us via the ego.

Thanks for the link.

[Delight]

To insert an mp3 you click on the link in the quick reply set up.The one next to the utube link and insert the mp3 link inside it.I'm not sure if you will be able to link up the 2nd hour of the interview this way though.


Yes i also found similarities between Wetiko and Castenada's flyers and the Gnostics mind parasites and archons etc.Very interesting the idea that the virus influences us via the ego.

Thanks for the link.

I wish I could link up the second hours of Redice but then again I guess that is not too cool. Thanks for telling me how you linked the mp3. This info on the influence to our Ego from the virus has real value. Hope many access the info and consider it.

[Delight]

[QUOTE]

Yes i also found similarities between Wetiko and Castenada's flyers and the Gnostics mind parasites and archons etc.Very interesting the idea that the virus influences us via the ego.


I'd like to keep the attention on this thread because I see so much playing out all around and even here that seesm completely in line with influence on behavior from the mind parasite

On March 14 William Henry talked to Jay weidner:

If Archons exist, who and what are they? Like Mac Tonnies and Bill Schneider, Jay Weidner is getting close to understanding this mystery, and how to identify the ones that may live among us. Just after announcing that he was close to being able to identify them, Mac died in his sleep at the age of 34. Bill Schneider has also died.

But Jay is still with us, and in this interview he tells us all he knows about the Archons. As the Nag Hammadi text warns, the Archons walk among us. They like violence and destruction. They are hungry for our suffering.

This link has the 30 odd minute interview and a link to John Lash talking on Redice.

http://yourtubenews.ning.com/forum/topics/revelations-the-archons-masters-of-the-world-3-15-2012

Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/revelations/archons-masters-world#ixzz1pKYmHqwj

[ponda]

Yes i agree Delight.i suspect that Wetiko,mind parasites/virus and the archon phenomena all tie in with mass mind control,bloodlines,illuminati,rituals and the occult etc and ultimately in the maintaining and control of this reality illusion/matrix.

Yes Jay Weidner and John Lash have done some great research on the Gnostic material.The violence,destruction,suffering and lust etc is probably all about emotional energy collection (loosh).

Coincidentally i came across an interesting article on the Nexus magazine web site.It's a chapter from a book by Robert Monroe called "FAR JOURNEYS: The Mystery of Loosh".It tells of an out of body experience by the author where he is told that one of the reasons that the Earth was created was for the collection of loosh and hence why there are constant wars and violence etc.There is a free pdf of the article available here:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=31&Itemid=71

[TraineeHuman]

Carl Jung devoted more than two years to studying as many religions and spiritual paths around the world as he could. Then he wrote at least one book about his conclusions.

His primary conclusion, as I understand it, was as follows. At their advanced and usually very secret level, the great majority of all spiritual or shamanic paths around the world had as the most central issue that of "embracing and facing one's own dark side". That certainly doesn't mean being rude or evil, but, instead, it seems to me it''s precisely what Paul Levy is all about -- despite Delight's opinion that Paul is really talking about Archons. I disagree with Delight because your dark side or "shadow" is part of you, and it's not Archons, although as far as my experience goes it takes much work to remove the Archons that may lodge there.

I have rarely come across any in depth discussion of what "facing our dark side" means. And yet, to me it is certainly one of the most central, if not the most central, area of what true spirituality is all about.

In both Eastern and Western cultures there have been strenuous efforts, for many centuries, to totally hide all knowledge of this topic.

To me it's like Paul says more in any five minute segment than anyone I've come across in a very long time.

[ponda]

Interesting TraineeHuman.

i think that we can partake in dark side activities or do the wrong thing by being tricked or manipulated into doing it.This is where the Wetiko/Archons might come into it.They might deceive us by distorting our perceptions and then influencing us via the ego to emotionally react or overreact.Also mind control and conditioning could also be used to show a shadow/dark side perhaps.Maybe because information of the shadow/dark side has been kept secret then the way to overcome or break free from it's influence might be to shine the light of awareness on it and be mindful.

Brings to mind a line from the movie 'Revolver' about the ego or satan. "The greatest con, that he ever pulled... was making you believe... that he is you."

[Delight]

Hi Trainee Human,
I didn't make that up (because I have never had an original thought hehe) but took that idea from others. The main importance for me too is that we face the darkness within and that we build energetic immunity by inner work. I don't have any disagreements with anything you said....

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2011/12/archons-exorcising-hidden-controllers-with-robert-stanley-and-laura-eisenhower.html


Archons: A parasite of a different order

Exploring archons in his new book, Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity, psychologist Paul Levy writes, "When people are infected by the wetiko virus, Forbes writes, they are “the host for the wetiko parasites.” The wetiko germ is a psychic tapeworm, a parasite of the mind. Just like certain computer viruses or malware infect and program a computer to self-destruct, mind-viruses like wetiko can program the human bio-computer to think, believe and behave in ways that result in our self-destruction. Wetiko is a virulent, psychic pathogen that insinuates thought-forms into our mind which, when unconsciously en-acted, feed it, and ultimately kills its host (us). It doesn’t want to kill us too quickly however, for to successfully implement its agenda of reproducing and propagating itself throughout the field, it must let the host live long enough to spread the virus. If the host dies too soon, the bug would be prematurely evicted and would suffer the inconvenience of having to find a new residence.

Mr. Levy continues, "Like a cancer of the mind that metastasizes, in wetiko disease, a pathological part of the psyche co-opts and subsumes all of the healthy parts of the psyche into itself so as to serve its pathology. To quote Jung, “an unknown ‘something’ has taken possession of a smaller or greater portion of the psyche and asserts its hateful and harmful existence undeterred by all our insight, reason, and energy, thereby proclaiming the power of the unconscious over the conscious mind, the sovereign power of possession.” The personality then self-organizes an outer display of coherence around this pathogenic core, which ‘masks’ the inner dysfunction, making it hard to recognize. In a psychic coup d’etat, the wetiko bug can usurp and displace the person, who becomes its puppet and marionette. Like a parasite, the wetiko virus can take over the will of an animal more evolved than itself, enlisting that creature into serving its nefarious agenda. Once the parasite becomes sufficiently entrenched within the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person’s behavior comes from the disease, as it is now the one calling the shots. Just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, someone taken over by the wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease. Wetikos are phobic towards the light of truth, which they avoid like the plague. In advanced stages, this process takes over the person so completely that we could rightfully say the person is no longer there; they are just an empty shell carrying the disease. In a sense there is just the disease, operating through what appears to be a human being. The person becomes fully identified with their mask, their persona, but it is as if there is no one behind the mask."

[TraineeHuman]

i think that we can partake in dark side activities or do the wrong thing by being tricked or manipulated into doing it.This is where the Wetiko/Archons might come into it.They might deceive us by distorting our perceptions and then influencing us via the ego to emotionally react or overreact.Also mind control and conditioning could also be used to show a shadow/dark side perhaps.Maybe because information of the shadow/dark side has been kept secret then the way to overcome or break free from it's influence might be to shine the light of awareness on it and be mindful.

Brings to mind a line from the movie 'Revolver' about the ego or satan. "The greatest con, that he ever pulled... was making you believe... that he is you."

I imagine Delight's latest post suggests she would probably agree with me that we are ultimately the ones in charge of our own dark side. We aren't literally the devil, but I would suggest there are certain reasons why we have been led to ignore our dark sides / shadows. Ironically, one of the chief ones has been having quite a few centuries of religions that teach us: "Be good." Think about that. Over the centuries, it has come to put enormous pressure on us (particularly in our childhoods)to lie to ourselves, or conceal from ourselves, any example of when we have managed not to be good. In that way, our dark side grows, because we've disconnected our awareness from it, and let it fall through the cracks and rest in the shadows.

I guess I also disagree with you in that I claim we are more powerful than the Archons and the dead personalities that try to be parasitic on us, and so on. To embrace the dark side is to disempower it. That's what the beauty and the Beast myth is all about. I think it's no coincidence that Beauty and the Beast is by far the most popular myth these days with kids, and even -- according to some literature analysts -- among adults. (For instance, about half the plot of many of the most successful musicals has been in effect a Beauty and the Beast plot. For instance in Pygmalion and My Fair Lady, both Higgins and Eliza are at the same time beauties and beasts, though in different ways -- and have to transform each other. Kind of like most marriages/partnerships, I would say.) Incidentally, in recent centuries in Western literature, the Villain was always a two-dimensional character. Ever since the novel Silence of the Lambs came out in the 70s, though, the villains in fiction have often been as complex as the central (heroic) character of a story. I see that as a sign of real evolution of the human spirit, actually.

[ponda]

We aren't literally the devil, but I would suggest there are certain reasons why we have been led to ignore our dark sides / shadows.

i don't think that most of us are knowingly aligned with negative forces imho but we can be influenced by outside forces through the ego without being aware that it is happening.


Ironically, one of the chief ones has been having quite a few centuries of religions that teach us: "Be good."


or "Be Good Or Else ? "


I guess I also disagree with you in that I claim we are more powerful than the Archons and the dead personalities that try to be parasitic on us, and so on.


i'm not sure if it's a case of power as much as awareness


To embrace the dark side is to disempower it.


Again i lean towards awareness of rather than embracing the ds


cheers

[Delight]

i think that we can partake in dark side activities or do the wrong thing by being tricked or manipulated into doing it.This is where the Wetiko/Archons might come into it.They might deceive us by distorting our perceptions and then influencing us via the ego to emotionally react or overreact.Also mind control and conditioning could also be used to show a shadow/dark side perhaps.Maybe because information of the shadow/dark side has been kept secret then the way to overcome or break free from it's influence might be to shine the light of awareness on it and be mindful.

Brings to mind a line from the movie 'Revolver' about the ego or satan. "The greatest con, that he ever pulled... was making you believe... that he is you."

I imagine Delight's latest post suggests she would probably agree with me that we are ultimately the ones in charge of our own dark side. We aren't literally the devil, but I would suggest there are certain reasons why we have been led to ignore our dark sides / shadows. Ironically, one of the chief ones has been having quite a few centuries of religions that teach us: "Be good." Think about that. Over the centuries, it has come to put enormous pressure on us (particularly in our childhoods)to lie to ourselves, or conceal from ourselves, any example of when we have managed not to be good. In that way, our dark side grows, because we've disconnected our awareness from it, and let it fall through the cracks and rest in the shadows.

I guess I also disagree with you in that I claim we are more powerful than the Archons and the dead personalities that try to be parasitic on us, and so on. To embrace the dark side is to disempower it. That's what the beauty and the Beast myth is all about. I think it's no coincidence that Beauty and the Beast is by far the most popular myth these days with kids, and even -- according to some literature analysts -- among adults. (For instance, about half the plot of many of the most successful musicals has been in effect a Beauty and the Beast plot. For instance in Pygmalion and My Fair Lady, both Higgins and Eliza are at the same time beauties and beasts, though in different ways -- and have to transform each other. Kind of like most marriages/partnerships, I would say.) Incidentally, in recent centuries in Western literature, the Villain was always a two-dimensional character. Ever since the novel Silence of the Lambs came out in the 70s, though, the villains in fiction have often been as complex as the central (heroic) character of a story. I see that as a sign of real evolution of the human spirit, actually.

I appreciate both posts. In my own life, it is the awareness of the dark and actually as you suggest embracing it that is the antidote to allowing myself to be used. In the way I understand the mechanism, it is the disowning of the inner darkness that causes us to project it out. But I also understand this to be tricky because of the way one can actually use "our dark" in an ego way that also promotes the virus. The bottom line to me is that the virus is a separative, projective, and replicative anti-Life force entity that uses us.

If we have the kind of discussion that is happening here and increase our awareness of this being a mind virus that may fool us, we are much better equipped to starve the energy.

[TraineeHuman]

To embrace the dark side is to disempower it.


Again i lean towards awareness of rather than embracing the ds


cheers

Hi again, ponda. Thank you for bringing up issues or ideas regarding this topic, which I certainly see as being pivotal to so much.

When I say "embrace your dark side", I don't mean to approve of it nor to disapprove of it, but just to acknowledge it as a part of who you actually are, at the moment. If you don't like the word embrace, maybe "accept without judgment" would do for starters?

I don't know if you've seen the video of Bill's interview with Inelia Benz. In that she describes her approach to dealing with extreme darkness, primarily through accepting it without any judgment or fear.

The reason I prefer to go further and say "embrace" it -- but with true detachment, if possible --, is suggested by the famous story of the Tibetan sage Milarepa. Milarepa was visited by about ten of the very blackest demons in the land. He did not resist them in anyway, but greeted them ever so courteously and amicably. He got out his best food and drink, and was the most generous of hosts to them. He continued to speak with them in the most courteous and friendly ways.

Soon, the demons were all rushing for the exit. They could not stand any more. They had been "killed with kindness". So, that's why I prefer to say "embrace your dark side". I don't mean let it control you in any way. It's just that all my experience is that killing the dark side with kindness is the fastest way to evolve, both for myself and others I have observed or worked with. Not always easy, for sure, but it's the quickest way.

Incidentally, I suspect you may sometimes want to resist parts of your dark side, or the Archons. Resistance ultimately doesn't work, at all. It just sometimes appears to work briefly, like a bandaid.

[ponda]

TraineeHuman aid:

Hi again, ponda. Thank you for bringing up issues or ideas regarding this topic, which I certainly see as being pivotal to so much.

When I say "embrace your dark side", I don't mean to approve of it nor to disapprove of it, but just to acknowledge it as a part of who you actually are, at the moment. If you don't like the word embrace, maybe "accept without judgment" would do for starters?

I don't know if you've seen the video of Bill's interview with Inelia Benz. In that she describes her approach to dealing with extreme darkness, primarily through accepting it without any judgment or fear.

The reason I prefer to go further and say "embrace" it -- but with true detachment, if possible --, is suggested by the famous story of the Tibetan sage Milarepa. Milarepa was visited by about ten of the very blackest demons in the land. He did not resist them in anyway, but greeted them ever so courteously and amicably. He got out his best food and drink, and was the most generous of hosts to them. He continued to speak with them in the most courteous and friendly ways.

Soon, the demons were all rushing for the exit. They could not stand any more. They had been "killed with kindness". So, that's why I prefer to say "embrace your dark side". I don't mean let it control you in any way. It's just that all my experience is that killing the dark side with kindness is the fastest way to evolve, both for myself and others I have observed or worked with. Not always easy, for sure, but it's the quickest way.

Incidentally, I suspect you may sometimes want to resist parts of your dark side, or the Archons. Resistance ultimately doesn't work, at all. It just sometimes appears to work briefly, like a bandaid.





Hi TraineeHuman and thanks for your response,


i've had a bit of experience with this dark side through negative paranormal activity.i certainly don't embrace it or accept it or feel that it is a part of me.i'm neutral to it.It's just there.i treat it as a learning tool and an experience enhancer.Just as we can be influenced by these entities these entities or ds can be influenced by us.i don't think this ds is a part of us.At the moment i feel that we are in a higher dimensional ds field that feeds off our energies.So maybe we are a part of it rather than it being a part of us.We are being farmed by the ds to a certain extent but there is more to it.There are cosmic cycles involved and change is coming.So yes one way of looking at the ds is to be thankful to it for waking us up and for expanding our awareness.

Well that's how i see it at the moment but that could change by this afternoon ;)

cheers

[TraineeHuman]

Hi again, ponda. From your last post, I suspect you use the term “the dark side” to mean something different from what I do.

Firstly, I’ve had more than half a lifetime of meditation and even just ongoing “attention” that has involved going into dimensions – or whatever you want to call them – where there simply is no dark side, no polarity. I’ve also had probably over half a lifetime of frequently or even usually being aware of the reality of beyond-polarity while also being quite aware of the 3D world, as in daily life and work.

I’ve also experienced various negative beings in the 4D world. But I haven’t somehow subconsciously given them permission to hang around me. If you’ve experienced (lots of?) paranormal activity, then as far as I know you did somehow unknowingly attract or invite it. Certainly, that activity isn’t a part of yourself. Nor is it healthy to somehow indulge it or welcome it to return.

I guess I see the important part of “the dark side” as being the part that is in us. If it is in us, then it (that particular part) is indeed part of us. Once we individually overcome / get rid of / integrate with / resolve the part that’s in us, I claim I know, mostly from my own experience, that we become too strong for any dark forces to take away our joy and happiness, ever, pretty much – unless, maybe, temporarily to some degree if we happen to get physically ill.

Unfortunately, although I’ve had telepathic communications with various kinds of ETs and with all sorts of beings, there’s nothing that makes the notion that “we are being farmed” plausible to me – beyond some of the physical abductions for genetic experimentation by certain renegade ETs. People assert "We are being energetically farmed" as if it were a fact, but where is there a shred of proof, or evidence? On the contrary, my experience is that all human beings are extraordinarily protected on higher-dimensional levels, and even on occasion on a 3D level. I have attempted to explain some of this in the Spirituality thread “The journey to discovering my true origins”.

[ponda]

If you’ve experienced (lots of?) paranormal activity, then as far as I know you did somehow unknowingly attract or invite it. Certainly, that activity isn’t a part of yourself. Nor is it healthy to somehow indulge it or welcome it to return.



Hi TH,

The activity is a nuisance but it is also a learning opportunity.The way i see things now because of the experiences with this activity explains a lot of stuff that happened to me years ago.i also notice things a lot more now.i suspect that when people start to wake up that they can attract attention to themselves from the field/matrix and that they can experience some form of harassment whether emotional or mental or some type of external harassment.Most, probably don't even notice it or the cause of it.


From your last post, I suspect you use the term “the dark side” to mean something different from what I do.

Yes maybe.

My guess is that there are different interconnected aspects of the dark/neg etc.Put them all together and you have the ds.


I guess I see the important part of “the dark side” as being the part that is in us. If it is in us, then it (that particular part) is indeed part of us. Once we individually overcome / get rid of / integrate with / resolve the part that’s in us, I claim I know, mostly from my own experience, that we become too strong for any dark forces to take away our joy and happiness, ever, pretty much – unless, maybe, temporarily to some degree if we happen to get physically ill.

Unfortunately, although I’ve had telepathic communications with various kinds of ETs and with all sorts of beings, there’s nothing that makes the notion that “we are being farmed” plausible to me – beyond some of the physical abductions for genetic experimentation by certain renegade ETs. People assert "We are being energetically farmed" as if it were a fact, but where is there a shred of proof, or evidence? On the contrary, my experience is that all human beings are extraordinarily protected on higher-dimensional levels, and even on occasion on a 3D level. I have attempted to explain some of this in the Spirituality thread “The journey to discovering my true origins”.

My take at the moment on it is that the ds is temporarily influencing us through the mind and ego and can get into or connect with us in various ways.i think that we humans have been designed so as to be easily able to be mind controlled and emotionally squeezed BUT also upgradable.There is a higher dimensional aspect to our physical bodies imho and it is through here that the loosh is collected.No i can't prove it.It's just a theory that i have from reading,researching and my own experiences etc.i would imagine that higher dimensional beings and even other 3d beings are no where near as emotional as Earth humans.It might of been designed into us on purpose.So on one hand we get to experience a vast array of emotions but on the other hand this heightened emotional ability might produce energy that can be harvested etc.

When i look at the world this way it explains a few things.First the constant wars and violence through out history.The constant fear that is propagated through the mainstream media.This constant barrage of fear might be an energy source and also a way of controlling the global population and global consciousness.The world is the way it is by design imho.Another tool of the ds is the psychopathic aspect of the human mind and or the mind virus/parasite.This might be how the ds shapes reality.The elite etc are all puppets of the ds.They get all the money but they are just pawns and don't get to awaken.

To me the farming of loosh from humans makes sense.Look at us.We dig up the Earth and farm the oil for our energy.We farm plants and animals for food/energy.Anyway the thing i try to do now is to be as unemotional as possible yet compassionate at the same time.It's probably a good thing that there is no proof of loosh farming.

Yes i agree that in the bigger picture this reality is being managed by neutrals or benevolent entities that have more authority than the ds.

cheers

[TraineeHuman]

The way i see things now because of the experiences with this activity explains a lot of stuff that happened to me years ago.i also notice things a lot more now.I suspect that when people start to wake up that they can attract attention to themselves from the field/matrix and that they can experience some form of harassment whether emotional or mental or some type of external harassment.Most, probably don't even notice it or the cause of it.

Hi ponda,
Thank you for sharing so fully and intelligently.
Yes, it’s true that once a person becomes telepathic or clairvoyant or otherwise psychically aware, they’ll notice that there are lots of negative thoughts and emotions around, -- and yes, far more than people are aware of. My own direct and detailed investigations have shown me that these are all created by humans (mostly subconsciously or unconsciously), and not by some sort of negative field at all.

Not only that, but all thoughts and emotions contain electromagnetic energy, and in cities the air is thick with them. However, I know from experience that this negative energy is certainly not in control. It’s just a minor nuisance. I know it’s just a nuisance – and that therefore you have, apparently, greatly exaggerated its power -- because I’ve spent many man-years working with emotional and psychic energies and thought-forms and so on.

I also do a little psychic healing, and I often see dark energies shrink or dissolve before my eyes when I shine a tiny bit of light on them. You should see how they run. And all I’m doing is something that’s totally natural to any human being.


There is a higher dimensional aspect to our physical bodies imho and it is through here that the loosh is collected.No i can't prove it.It's just a theory that i have from reading,researching and my own experiences etc.i would imagine that higher dimensional beings and even other 3d beings are no where near as emotional as Earth humans.It might of been designed into us on purpose....

When i look at the world this way it explains a few things.First the constant wars and violence through out history.The constant fear that is propagated through the mainstream media.This constant barrage of fear might be an energy source and also a way of controlling the global population and global consciousness.The world is the way it is by design imho.
I don’t put much trust in anything anybody else says, unless it seems to gel with my own experiences. I have, however, read about “loosh”. Sorry, but I don’t have a high overall respect for Robert Munroe (though I’ve met him and I’ve bought and tried to apply three of his books in the distant past). But let’s assume his story about loosh is factual.

The only sense in which I can make “loosh” fit with what I have experienced is that it refers to the negative thoughts and emotions that I said above that the air in cities is thick with. I use the word “emotion” to mean something quite distinct from “feeling”. Feelings are things we directly express. But once we stop being little children, our feelings are often colored by emotions. By emotion I mean what Jung called a “complex” – which is any stuck negative feeling combined with certain fixed thoughts or beliefs. It’s true that every day we release tiny parts of our complexes into the 4D “atmosphere” around us. But these are our psychological/spiritual waste products. And as we evolve spiritually, eventually each of us reaches a stage where they don’t produce much “loosh” any more. I don’t buy Munroe’s story at all about how we were designed to be walking loosh factories. (It sounds to me like a sales brochure, actually. All tourists love a quaint story.) Rather, I happen to know we are all the multiverse and we all chose to go as “far out” as possible for a time and experience the most opposite things possible to what we really are.

Yes, beings from higher dimensions (excepting, perhaps, the lower fourth) are generally less emotional than us. Of course. It’s also true that the range of feelings is smaller in the higher dimensions. But that’s simply because in 3D the polarity is greater than it is higher dimensions: you can only feel hot to the degree you can also feel cold intensely, or sweet to the extent you can also feel sour, and so on. I don’t believe human beings are different in that respect from ETs from other 3D worlds. I’ve also read about abductions by apparently more positive and friendly greys, and how the abductees witnessed intensely strong feelings being felt by the latter.

You seem to me to be in effect arguing that the forces of darkness must currently be stronger on this planet, because if the positive forces were stronger and effective they wouldn’t allow it. But I would claim, again, that we are all really the infinite multiverse and there’s no greater joyride for us than experiencing what it’s like to really slum it up. We need the insanity of George Bush and of all the others, because they’re providing the cesspools and so on that make it a real slum. OK, we’ve forgotten that that was what we originally wanted to experience. But even the forgetting is one more part of the ride.

We’ve inoculated ourselves with the disease of Weitiko. We’ve done it purely to make ourselves stronger in the long run. Of course, medical vaccines often don’t work, but this is a psychological “vaccine” which we’ve taken precisely because it will make us much stronger, and is doing so already. Sure, the world of politics and economics is often dominated by darkness at its top levels. But that’s like the way when we’re down with a virus it feels like it’s beaten us – until our immune system kicks in. Which, of course, is also why the big change will inevitably come in the world of politics fairly soon, even if it probably won't be as spectacular as some might imagine.

[Delight]

The way i see things now because of the experiences with this activity explains a lot of stuff that happened to me years ago.i also notice things a lot more now.I suspect that when people start to wake up that they can attract attention to themselves from the field/matrix and that they can experience some form of harassment whether emotional or mental or some type of external harassment.Most, probably don't even notice it or the cause of it.


We’ve inoculated ourselves with the disease of Weitiko. We’ve done it purely to make ourselves stronger in the long run. Of course, medical vaccines often don’t work, but this is a psychological “vaccine” which we’ve taken precisely because it will make us much stronger, and is doing so already. Sure, the world of politics and economics is often dominated by darkness at its top levels. But that’s like the way when we’re down with a virus it feels like it’s beaten us – until our immune system kicks in. Which, of course, is also why the big change will inevitably come in the world of politics fairly soon, even if it probably won't be as spectacular as some might imagine.

Hi TraineeHuman,
I loved the story about inviting the "demons" in and treating them so kindly that they fled. The shamanic traditions report the use of the adversary to test us our mettle. Here you speak to helpful psychic immunity built through exposure. Also, Paul Levy talks about his sense that the virus is useful in an evolutionary way once we recognize it. Very good news (once you recognize it). Thanks! Maggie

[ponda]

I don’t put much trust in anything anybody else says, unless it seems to gel with my own experiences. I have, however, read about “loosh”. Sorry, but I don’t have a high overall respect for Robert Munroe (though I’ve met him and I’ve bought and tried to apply three of his books in the distant past). But let’s assume his story about loosh is factual.

The only sense in which I can make “loosh” fit with what I have experienced is that it refers to the negative thoughts and emotions that I said above that the air in cities is thick with. I use the word “emotion” to mean something quite distinct from “feeling”. Feelings are things we directly express. But once we stop being little children, our feelings are often colored by emotions. By emotion I mean what Jung called a “complex” – which is any stuck negative feeling combined with certain fixed thoughts or beliefs. It’s true that every day we release tiny parts of our complexes into the 4D “atmosphere” around us. But these are our psychological/spiritual waste products. And as we evolve spiritually, eventually each of us reaches a stage where they don’t produce much “loosh” any more. I don’t buy Munroe’s story at all about how we were designed to be walking loosh factories. (It sounds to me like a sales brochure, actually. All tourists love a quaint story.) Rather, I happen to know we are all the multiverse and we all chose to go as “far out” as possible for a time and experience the most opposite things possible to what we really are.

Yes, beings from higher dimensions (excepting, perhaps, the lower fourth) are generally less emotional than us. Of course. It’s also true that the range of feelings is smaller in the higher dimensions. But that’s simply because in 3D the polarity is greater than it is higher dimensions: you can only feel hot to the degree you can also feel cold intensely, or sweet to the extent you can also feel sour, and so on. I don’t believe human beings are different in that respect from ETs from other 3D worlds. I’ve also read about abductions by apparently more positive and friendly greys, and how the abductees witnessed intensely strong feelings being felt by the latter.



Hi TH,

Thanks for your response.

i respect your views regarding loosh etc and you may well be correct :)


You seem to me to be in effect arguing that the forces of darkness must currently be stronger on this planet, because if the positive forces were stronger and effective they wouldn’t allow it. But I would claim, again, that we are all really the infinite multiverse and there’s no greater joyride for us than experiencing what it’s like to really slum it up. We need the insanity of George Bush and of all the others, because they’re providing the cesspools and so on that make it a real slum. OK, we’ve forgotten that that was what we originally wanted to experience. But even the forgetting is one more part of the ride.

We’ve inoculated ourselves with the disease of Weitiko. We’ve done it purely to make ourselves stronger in the long run. Of course, medical vaccines often don’t work, but this is a psychological “vaccine” which we’ve taken precisely because it will make us much stronger, and is doing so already. Sure, the world of politics and economics is often dominated by darkness at its top levels. But that’s like the way when we’re down with a virus it feels like it’s beaten us – until our immune system kicks in. Which, of course, is also why the big change will inevitably come in the world of politics fairly soon, even if it probably won't be as spectacular as some might imagine.

i would say that the ds has been most influential on the planet whilst never really being in complete control of it.Yes it is a type of school to experience negativity and some of the ways that the ds manifest and control reality etc.

As for the change that's coming.i would say expect the unexpected ;)

cheers

[v4leriana]

Wow thanks ponda! ...I found many answers in listening to Paul Levy. Basically if we're aware of the 'devil' inside us, it becomes weaker and weaker.

[TraineeHuman]

Wow thanks ponda! ...I found many answers in listening to Paul Levy. Basically if we're aware of the 'devil' inside us, it becomes weaker and weaker.

Precisely, v4leriana. That's the essence. Got it.

And understanding the huge importance and validity of this idea is only the beginning.

Living it, and making it practical, takes far, far longer. (I'm speaking from my own experience, regarding what I believe I know is the most important journey we can take in this lifetime. I claim this is the basis of all true (spiritual) enlightenment.)

Why does it take so incredibly long to really make it practical in our everyday lives? Because the devil inside us, or the Wetiko, is ever so deceptive, and always works in the shadows. In fact, Jung even called it "the shadow part" of us.

[Bo Atkinson]

Thanks all, ya! redicecreations is really breaking into creative-territory of late.

Paraphrasing (or imperfect transcription and my abreviating-word-smithing blue) of Paul Levy: Wetiko & the Dreaming Part2
Quotes--
"...we need a certain ego-self-flation to snap out of the brain washing, the hypnotic spell that's been cast, when it's a genuine spiritual awakening we just very naturally integrate, you know what belongs to us and who we are and that ego-self-flation part of ourselves.....
...............we are all artist we are all shamans and we all suffer through spirit, but what makes a real artist is that they are somewhat able to creatively give shape and form and express the deeper archetypal energy that's informing them, touching them and moving them......."

I'm very much into that, suffer so that we inspire our own art works and vision works.
Another near transcript from pt2:
"what Wetiko hates, what it can't stand, is the creative spirit. It wants to rigidify and train people to disassociate from that spirit because we actually are in a way- channels for that what happens then there is nothing to dispel" end quotes

I think the Balinese have explored this art- aspect for ages. I think self-fulfilling art can, in time, provide and refine subtler perceptions. More navigated-indifference to Wetiko......

[TraineeHuman]

In the past I have written some notes about my own take on the dark side. In this post I'd like to present the first part of them, in the hope that some readers will find them useful. They begin with material that partly repeats several things I've already said on this thread. But there are new practical ideas further below, if you can keep reading.

Here's the first part:

It’s quite easy to intellectually understand all kinds of ideas and details to do with the topic of facing and embracing your dark side. Then you can move on to whatever the next topic on your list is. But there’s far more to it than that. Coming to understand what embracing your dark side means in practice is something people don’t get to do except gradually. And only long after they believed they had mastered it practically. As I know from long experience. And yet, this topic is crucial to making real progress in personal and spiritual growth. Our whole Western civilization (like other major civilizations also) has effectively brainwashed everybody for a number of centuries into ignoring their dark side, and not knowing it at all.

But how can you possibly develop yourself if you don’t know who “you” really are, accurately? How can you do it if all that you know of yourself is the respectable side, the “public relations image,” so to speak? That’s an absurd caricature of who you really are. It’s such a superficial picture of “you”. You need an in-depth, dimensionalised knowledge of yourself. You need to see all the way through to the “other” side -- the dark side. With anything less, you can’t possibly ever know yourself accurately, not at all. And liberation (from your own unhappiness) is mostly a matter of deep and detailed self-knowledge.

I’m sorry if you’re a “good” Christian or Jew or Buddhist or Hindu, etc, but the truth is that in certain ways the religions have done great damage through centuries of telling people to “be good.”. The psychologist Jung worked it out decades ago that in certain ways the religions have done great damage through centuries of telling people to “be good.” But the truth of it didn’t spread very far among “New Age” and similar spiritual teachers at all until the last two decades. Firstly let’s notice, as Jung did, that if you’re told you must be good just about all the time, that gives you a huge incentive to ignore or lie to yourself about any way or any time that you are or were “bad.” Much like the way strict evangelical Christians avoid having anything to do with alcohol, or dancing, or gambling, and so on, on the ground that those things are all “pure evil.” That a person shouldn’t even know anything about such “contaminating” things. The demand to “be good” also strongly encourages you to deny and ignore and repress any desires or feelings you have to do or be “bad” in any way. It’s been doing that to you for probably as long as you can remember, and earlier. Do you already notice how easy this makes it for the ego to thrive in the areas of yourself that religions have encouraged you to hide from yourself, or at least to give little attention to? Isn’t this a strategy for doing nothing about the problem of most “bad” feelings and emotions, because they’re simply ignored or repressed?

Let’s go further into this by looking at how “Be good – or else!” works on a young child. Under this approach, the child is punished, and the punishment is proof that the child has temporarily “become (totally) bad.” Here “bad” = worthless and (temporarily) hated. You are probably aware that beating a child, or physically punishing them, or verbally abusing a child or anyone, has been made illegal in most states of most Western countries. That’s because of the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence that proves beyond any doubt that abuse is very, very psychologically harmful. It takes the baby out with the bath water. Because it takes away the young person’s self-esteem. A different approach is to first of all ensure the child knows they are always valued, always loved. They are never “bad,” or anything else that somehow strips them of their great value and dignity and of being loved for who they are. It’s just that sometimes their behaviors are bad, and need to be changed. The first approach is the one we have all been taught to apply to ourselves over and over again. (Even if we don’t believe that an infinitely loving God tortures us in the most sadistic possible way for eternity for occasionally not “being good,” nevertheless the roots of this approach come from religion.) The second approach – the one based on unconditional love -- is how we would be treating ourselves once we fully learnt how to embrace our dark side. In the meantime, we keep on applying the first approach to ourselves in so many subtle ways, whether we realize it or not.

Jung understood all this. He also happened to have a father who was a Doctor of Theology, and who was a prominent member of a number of secret societies. Some of these particular societies saw part of their function as the secret preservation of the “advanced” teachings of the Rabbi Yeshua, also known as Jesus Christ. Hence, Jung knew that there was some kind of esoteric, i.e. advanced and secret, tradition of Christian spirituality, where embracing your dark side was the central issue to master. It wasn’t a matter of spurning “good” at all. The point is that it’s the only way we can ever become truly good, or more good. As the Prodigal Son story explains. Jung devoted a few years to studying many religions from all parts of the world. He concluded that nearly all of them had an exoteric form – a less advanced form for the masses --, always in effect proscribing exactly how people must “be good”, and an esoteric form, where the subject of the dark side was very prominent.

Time has moved on, and human consciousness really has been improving. In our society, I suggest the “being good” approach doesn’t work very well – not even with young children. (But please, don’t misunderstand me. I’m certainly not saying it’s OK to reward bad behavior in children.) If any of you is at all familiar with Dr Phil, you’ll know that one of the points he never tires of making is that “right-fighting” doesn’t work, and hugely not. By “right-fighting” he means using the strategy in an argument or conflict of trying to prove you are right. Of course, as Dr Phil points out, this is a strategy that will never solve the problem. The only way to resolve such a situation is for both parties to truly listen to the other’s point of view – and that involves putting aside the need or belief that their own point of view is the only valid one. But isn’t it clear that the need to always “be right” when it counts is almost the same thing as “being good” in those situations? And exactly where, do you suppose, do people acquire the conditioning that it’s extraordinarily important to always “be good (and therefore right)”?

Another of many examples the destructiveness of the conditioning that we must always “be good” is found in how some people try to apply the Law of Attraction. Now the Law of Attraction is a valid principle in its originally formulated form. Basically, it says that the universe gives you back more of whatever it is you are giving out or giving off. So yes, if you are frequently in a positive state (e.g. through often feeling the aliveness), then you will receive mostly positive things back. You will even have the eyes to see and appreciate the positive qualities in whatever the universe hands you. But the truth is, virtually everybody does have a dark side. “Oh no,” the religious people will say. “We must always be good. Therefore we will just have to try harder on the few occasions when we aren’t [i.e., when even their conditioning can’t stop them from admitting they have in fact “failed”].” In this way, religiously conditioned people expect the Law of Attraction will continually bring them good things. They expect this because most of the time they ignore the workings of their dark side, and believe that what they ignore isn’t real. If they must always be good, and they believe they have successfully met that standard since childhood, then they must, over all, already be “good.”

I happen to be sufficiently clairvoyant that I claim to know (mostly, remember) what happens after we die. After death we re-experience all the incidents in our completed life. We experience them in a kind of “super 3D,” and from the points of view of all the other individuals involved or affected. And then we judge ourselves as to what type of limitations and obstacles and difficulties we consider we deserve to encounter in our next lifetime. So you see, learning to accept ourselves more, and learning how to be less (negatively) judgmental of our own worth, is crucial. It really does have total consequences on what the next lifetime will be like in truly major ways. You’ll notice also that “right-fighting” at any time is counter-productive to this, your ultimate interest. The more you failed to even make an attempt to understand what the other person or people were feeling, the more that will of course pull you towards negative judgments about yourself when you die.

Exercise

Firstly, I’d like you to use your consciousness or your intuition or your instinctive body-awareness to “tune in” a little to what other people around you are actually feeling. Yes, you may be invading their privacy a little, but at the moment you’re just learning. Later on you’ll be able to “switch off” such tuning-in most of the time, thereby respecting their privacy.
Secondly, I’d like you to put attention on accepting yourself in specific ways. That doesn’t mean glorifying yourself as perfect. But it does mean not beating yourself up or hating yourself because of a mistake or failure or bad luck. Of course, it also means taking responsibility to set right anything you did that caused any problems. Over the next week, I’d like you to write down a small list of ways you have noticed yourself doing this during the week.

Next, let’s look at projection. At Bill Harris’s site www.masteringthepowerofnow.com there is an interview with Byron Katie. She describes how her teaching is based on four perspectives, which I’ll call “reversals”. By a “reversal” I mean a way of turning the mirror back onto yourself instead of looking at what you believe the other person has, or is doing. For instance, if person X is annoying you because they behave in a certain way, you ask yourself: “How am I sometimes annoying to other people in a similar way to how I feel annoyed by person X?”

Why is it effective to ask yourself this kind of question? Because the dark side continually deceives us by cunningly telling us that we don’t have a particular problem or weakness. “Look at that person. They are the ones who have that problem.” Of course, this doesn’t make rational sense. Just because somebody else (possibly) has a similar problem to us but worse, that does nothing to solve our own problem. But what we all do is jump to the false conclusion that we can ignore the problem in us. (That’s a major reason why our dark side is unknown to us.)

Studies have proved that one common example of projection goes like this. A person will always project their own weaknesses/ problems onto their marriage. For instance, two people may be married to each other, and in that sense they have the same marriage. But one person may have major emotional problems (a “heavy dark side”). That person will always see the marriage as having major problems, and as therefore being unsatisfactory. Let’s say their partner happens to be unusually free of problems. Then the partner will say that the marriage is basically fine, and is something of great value. Two very different versions of “the marriage”. Neither of them true.

One of the ways you can see how projection has been at work inside you is whenever you react too strongly to something somebody else does. For instance, it’s quite normal and natural to feel angry and saddened at the news that somebody was murdered. But if you object to it even more strongly than most people do, then that means you have some unresolved anger in your body. Moreover, it means you subconsciously see a real link between the circumstances of that murder and the type of anger you carry yourself. I’m not saying you’re murderously angry, but I am saying that you protest too much. Similarly, if something particularly bugs you about some person, look inside. If you dislike or are repulsed by a certain person more than other people are, then again, look inside.

I’d like to digress here to mention another form of projection you may be “guilty” of. I’m referring to what happens when you “obey” a spiritual teacher or teaching. What you are doing then is, you are giving away your own responsibility for finding a correct version of the truth. If what you’re taught is (inevitably) incomplete or inadequate or just plain wrong in some way, never mind. That’s on the head of the teacher. It’s their bad karma, not yours. Everything’s all their fault. I have noticed that the great majority of people interested in spirituality are desperate to do this. “Just tell me exactly what I have to do. Then I won’t have to worry about working any of it out for myself.” Although most people think this way, I have noticed they rarely have an inkling they are doing so continually.

Finally, I’d like to discuss a recent example of what’s involved in working on your dark side. Since I’m emphasizing that you have to continually get going on working on yourself, here’s a recent example from my own life. It concerns somebody I had been paying quite large fees to who I eventually realized was not delivering what had been promised. This person had in effect been lying to me, and repeatedly so with a vengeance, and in great detail. At first I had simply been unaware that I was being conned. Then I needed to decide whether I might be being conned. Since I had gone in assuming otherwise, I needed to find out whether I had been blocking (i.e., totally denying) that such a thing was going on, at least to some degree. This in itself took some reflection over a few weeks, because this person was masterful at hiding what was really going on – with layers of distractions and lies. (Sometimes it may take longer, and only when some relatively dramatic incident occurs do we get jolted into getting such an insight.) Yes, I eventually managed to listen to my intuition clearly enough. I had tried asking it questions early on, but in as cunning a con as this it took time for me to find the right question to ask. There was also the disappointment as I began to realize I needed to break off, and a kind of miniature “mourning period” which was the emotional legacy I had once I did break off the tie with this person.

But some unresolved emotional issues remained. For a start, I still felt that I had been victimized by this person. I felt hurt. To resolve this, I needed to face all the things this person’s deliberate and ruthless dishonesty had stirred up within my dark side. I succeeded in doing so mainly by looking at examples of situations where I had deliberately lied. Why had I lied? How had I justified it to myself? I kept reflecting on such situations where I had been a liar. Eventually I reached the point where I could clearly see that this person had essentially been doing nothing different from me. By that I mean that I also saw that it’s in this person’s nature (well, their personality) to lie and deceive, almost like breathing. This person genuinely found it hard to do anything other than deceive, ultimately. So it was really my mistake if I wished they were different. They couldn’t at present help but be deceitful. So I had to honor what is actually the case, what is. Finally I could forgive them completely, on an emotional level. They were just being what they currently are (with their pain-body dominating certain spheres of their behavior). Incidentally, emotional forgiveness doesn’t mean I might not take some form of legal action or register a complaint with a regulatory authority. But it does mean I’ll no longer be hanging onto feelings of resentment or victimization or hate, etc.

To resolve this emotionally, I had to get to a point of such “dis-identification” that I ceased to take it personally.

[ThePythonicCow]

Interesting discussion here between Paul Levy and Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice Radio.

Paul Levy is back on Red Ice Radio, in another interview along side Seth Farber.




Seth Farber & Paul Levy - Hour 1 - The Spiritual Gift of Madness

October 23, 2012
Dr. Seth Farber is a writer, social critic, dissident psychologist, activist and co-founder of the Network Against Coercive Psychiatry. His newest book is called, The Spiritual Gift of Madness: The Failure of Psychiatry and the Rise of the Mad Pride Movement. Paul Levy studied economics and art. He is the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, as well as Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity. In 1981, due to an intense personal trauma, he had a life-changing spiritual awakening in which he began to recognize the dreamlike nature of reality. During the first year of his spiritual emergence, Paul was hospitalized a number of times, and was told he was having a severe psychotic break from reality. Seth and Paul will talk about how the psychiatric system is limited to the 5 senses, misdiagnosing spiritual experiences and shamanic awakening as pathological. Paul shares his experience of psychiatric treatment. Seth talks about the problems within the psychiatric field.
See further http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/10/RIR-121023.php

[Sgt-Bones]

Everywhere I look in the world today I see people talking about the many and varied issues that humanity is currently faced with... political issues, economic issues, cultural issues, environmental issues, health issues, spiritual issues, psychological issues. You name it, we seem to have an issue about it... the list is practically endless.

That said, I also see a lot of people who are desperately searching for answers and solutions to these problems that we are all facing, both on the individual and collective levels. But most of all, I see a great number of people who are tired, hurt, angry, frustrated, confused, vulnerable, and in many cases, teetering on the brink of an ever-present and often overwhelming sense of hopelessness/helplessness/unhappiness.

BUT....

What if I was to tell you that the root cause of a lot of these problems/thoughts/emotions is a known one, that it has been hiding in plain sight for thousands of years, that it is not only something that we have the ability to control/influence, but that it may also provide us with the key/s to our own dis-enslavement and ultimate re-empowerment?

Well then, folks, without further adieu, please allow me to introduce you to... WETIKO.

To get the ball rolling on this thread, and to formally introduce the guest of honour, I thought I might start with a nice little quote from Paul Levy, who at this point in time is probably the foremost expert on wetiko in the world today:


Paul Levy
There is a contagious psycho-spiritual disease of the soul, a parasite of the mind, that is currently being acted out en masse on the world stage via a collective psychosis of titanic proportions. This mind-virus─which Native Americans have called “wetiko”─covertly operates through the unconscious blind spots in the human psyche, rendering people oblivious to their own madness and compelling them to act against their own best interests. An inner cancer of the soul, wetiko flavours and manages our perceptions by stealth and subterfuge so as to act itself out through us while simultaneously hiding itself from being seen. Not constrained by the conventional laws of third-dimensional space and time, this ‘bug’ in the system deceives us by working with the intrinsic projective tendencies of our mind so as to appear external to and other than ourselves, utilising the seemingly outside world as the canvas for its full-bodied revelation of itself. Wetiko non-locally informs, gives shape to, and configures events in the world so as to synchronistically express itself, which is to say that just like in a dream, events in the outer world are symbolically reflecting a condition deep within the psyche of humanity.

Hidden within the venom of wetiko is a revelation as well as its own antidote, which once recognised can help us wake up and bring sanity back to our society. How wetiko manifests─will it destroy our species, or will it catalyse a deeper process of global awakening?─depends upon recognising what it is revealing to us about ourselves.

Now, I realise that some of you here may already have come across wetiko in the past. Perhaps you glanced at some obscure thread about it on this or another forum, or heard it being discussed in an interview somewhere that you can barely recall now... whatever. If you have encountered wetiko before but simply blew it off at the time and moved onto something else without really taking time to consider the importance and implications that it represents for humanity and our struggle to realise our true nature/full potential... THEN YOU NEED TO STOP AND TAKE SOME TIME TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE COMING IN THIS THREAD!!

Okay, that’s probably enough from me for now, but I’ll be back with more at a later date.

In the meantime, here's a short radio interview that Paul did a few months back in which he discusses the basic, underlying concepts of 'wetiko' in some detail:

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[risveglio]

I listened to the interview but "wetiko" seemed to distract me so I will listen to it again later. Worth a listen but he seems to be working through this too. Is there a Native American teacher on this subject?

Now for some reason I feel drawn to run on a wheel that goes nowhere. :clock:

[spiritguide]

This dis-ease is the real deal don't dismiss it's reality.

[dianna]

Its a fascinating subject, and I did read the book --- this idea is addressed in history and myth --- under different names --- for example, the "Archons" in the Nag Hamadi Scriptures is speaking of the same thing --- and also, Thomas Sheridan equates it with the idea of the Psychopath in society today (fascinating) --- Carlos Castenada called it "the topic of topics" and I would have to agree --- It seeks to explain the "why" of the evil in society --- anyway, thats the way I understand it (I did find Paul Levy's book a bit difficult to follow at times, but interesting none the less) --- he also has written a couple of articles on the subject (a pretty good one is on the reality sandwich website)

[Kryztian]

I listened to the Paul Levy interview on Red Ice Radio. I felt that the concepts he was elucidating were already out there in the world and we didn't need this new word, "Wetiko" to be hammered into us. Perhaps I didn't give his lecture a fair enough listen, but I too, felt like the hamster on a wheel going no where.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/03/RIR-120308.php

[risveglio]

I listened to the Paul Levy interview on Red Ice Radio. I felt that the concepts he was elucidating were already out there in the world and we didn't need this new word, "Wetiko" to be hammered into us. Perhaps I didn't give his lecture a fair enough listen, but I too, felt like the hamster on a wheel going no where.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/03/RIR-120308.php

My wheel comment was more about having to return to my rat race job.

[Snookie]

I listened to the Paul Levy interview on Red Ice Radio. I felt that the concepts he was elucidating were already out there in the world and we didn't need this new word, "Wetiko" to be hammered into us. Perhaps I didn't give his lecture a fair enough listen, but I too, felt like the hamster on a wheel going no where.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/03/RIR-120308.php

I mentioned this interview in another thread as well a few days ago. I think some Native Americans also refer to Wetiko as "the trickster", which I think gives the concept a bit more clarity.

[Sgt-Bones]

Seems to me that a lot of folks have difficulty coming to terms with the level of evil that some human beings are capable of imposing upon their fellow man. IMO, our inability to accept this potential for evil is a direct reflection of a lack of intimacy with our own potential evil... our shadow selves. Ultimately, I believe this disconnect is what has enabled the malevolent nature of wetiko to embed itself in the human collective psyche, thus allowing it to run rampant in our society.

The problem with wetiko, is that once it becomes sufficiently entrenched in the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person’s behaviour tends to come predominantly from the disease itself... it effectively becomes the one who drives the bus and calls the shots.

Sadly, just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, a person who has been taken over by the wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease.

For the most part, wetikos are fearful of the light of truth, which they tend to avoid like the plague. From what I have observed, it seems that in most cases this disease takes over the person so completely that we could rightfully say the person is no longer there any more... essentially they become no more than an empty shell carrying the disease.

At that point, there is really only the disease, operating through what appears to be a human being. Essentially, the person ends up becoming fully identified with their mask, their persona, but the reality is that there is no one behind the mask any more.

Another point worth mentioning, is that people who are taken over by the wetiko virus often don’t suspect a thing about how they have been conned, manipulated, and deceived by it. Additionally, once under wetikos’ spell, a person tends to lose their capacity to recognize the wetiko disease in others also.

Fortunately, however, it seems that encoded within wetiko is an insight and revelation which ultimately is its own cure. It could be said that the wetiko disease provides its own antidote, but in order to receive its hidden healing benefits we must first learn to recognize and more deeply understand how the disease operates within us. Ironically, it appears that the very thing which is destroying humanity also has the potential to save us.

So, the wetiko disease seems to represent not only the deadliest psycho-spiritual poison known to humanity, but also the most profound and effective means of psychic health care.

Still, the questions remains... will wetiko destroy humanity or will it prove to be the catalyst that helps to awaken us?

At the end of the day, I believe this will depend upon whether or not we are able to recognize that which it has the potential to reveal to us.

[ulli]

I so agree with all of this, although the term Wetiko is new to me.
Anyone who understands the term "as above, so below" properly,
and also understands that all the energy at our disposal is best spent
in working on our own growth, self stalking, self purification, avoiding all self sabotage,
can then take the next step which is to carry the message to their fellow man,
until the day critical mass can be reached (also called the hundreth monkey effect)
This must continue to spread.

The more people wake up to this message of the need to
personal integrity, which means integrating all of their own shadows,
transforming and training their personal demons,
rather than sending them out where they can do only more harm,
the sooner there will be peace on earth.
No more cruelty to animals, children, the elderly, women,
no more cruelty even to the self, as an unconscious form
of self punishment.
Lets pick ourselves up, face our character flaws, just as we would clean a car, and get on with it.

[ulli]

Found this Wetiko article on Iona Miller's site. Good read.

http://holographicarchetypes.weebly.com/wetiko.html

[ulli]

I listened to the Paul Levy interview on Red Ice Radio. I felt that the concepts he was elucidating were already out there in the world and we didn't need this new word, "Wetiko" to be hammered into us. Perhaps I didn't give his lecture a fair enough listen, but I too, felt like the hamster on a wheel going no where.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/03/RIR-120308.php


The more terms there are out there to help define this virus, the better, in my opinion.
Years ago I could not understand why so many people rejected astrology, and it's amazing
power to help with self-transformation. Then I could not understand why the Bahai Faith
was not getting the message out faster. The Carlos Castaneda books. Gnosticism, hermetics.
Then the resistance to Gurdjieff, esoteric Christianity.

Until one day it dawned on me. I had underestimated the diversity of humanity, and our differences.
As the divine aid is descending it is sprinkling heavenly flower seeds of different colors, for all the different tastes to appreciate.
Wetiko is such a flower seed in my view. If someone is confused because of all the different terms and schools they only need to focus a bit harder in their own search, until they find the right tool that suits them.
I was a spiritual panhandler for most of my life, and suffered confusion as a result, but I did learn to spot what they all had in common, and are there or the good of all.
Only a secular society can provide this abundance of help available.
When you find the thing that is for you, you will KNOW, as it will electrify you in a powerful way.
Keep on with your search, while you still can.
Seek and you shall find. That's how it works.

[dianna]

Ulli, I love that --- "spiritual panhandler" --- that about sums up myself for the last 10 years (although I always thought of myself as "breaking the cycle of spiritual poverty" LOL

[Sebastion]

Actually wetiko is the native american term for "their mind" which was exposed very well on this thread, by a former member of this forum, 9eagle9: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it

9eagle9 is/has been in email touch with Mr Levy and as I understand it, he has gotten a lot of flack for putting this information out. Feel free to browse the whole thread!

[ulli]

So he is getting a lot of flak?
( ck spelling is incorrect, as the original word means FLAK, which was translated from German,
Flugzeugabwehrkanone, which translated into English means a "canon to fight off air attacks")

Perhaps someone should warn him that as long as he has 9eagle9 on his wagon this will continue to happen.

[TargeT]

Actually wetiko is the native american term for "their mind" which was exposed very well on this thread, by a former member of this forum, 9eagle9: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&highlight=their+mind

9eagle9 is/has been in email touch with Mr Levy and as I understand it, he has gotten a lot of flack for putting this information out. Feel free to browse the whole thread!

a very good thread, one of my favorites.

This topic, as mentioned above, may have many names so that it reaches the widest possible dissemination.

I think this is one of the most important things I've learned here on PA (archons and their mind, based a lot in the above thread); understanding these topics has given me much personal peace & helped me understand others more as well.

[Soulboy]

I just looked whether there was a thread about this topic because I came across a nice article by the very same Paul Levy about it all which has been interesting me since reading a few of Castaneda's books in the late nineties and there is a thread started today. Fantastic!


Here is the article I saw today (It's a long'un, perhaps not new, only published now, I don't know, but it's worth a read):

THE MASTERS OF DECEPTION


by Paul Levy

A few days before my interview on Why Shamanism Now? Internet Radio Show, I received an email from the well-known anthropologist, author and shamanic practitioner Hank Wesselman. He mentioned that what I am calling “wetiko” the Hawaiian kahuna tradition was also familiar with, and called these mind parasites the “‘e‘epa.” He mentioned that he talks about these archon-like entities in his latest book The Bowl of Light: Ancestral Wisdom from a Hawaiian Shaman, which I immediately went out and bought. When I found the section on the ‘e‘epa, my eyes almost fell out of my head, as the description of the ‘e‘epa by an esteemed Hawaiian kahuna shaman was almost word for word what I had written in my book Dispelling Wetiko: Breaking the Curse of Evil.

As my research deepens, I am realizing ever more fully that every wisdom tradition in the history of our planet has its own language and symbol system for illuminating what the Native Americans have been calling wetiko. Having just finished an article on how the Kabbalah described the evil of wetiko in its own unique way, I had recently started doing research for a new article on how a particularly powerful practice in the Islamic tradition was specially crafted so as to dissolve the pernicious effects of wetiko. After learning about the ‘e‘epa, I was left with the feeling that I was fated to continually find an ever-expanding number of wisdom traditions that articulate the wetiko psychosis, each in their own way. By whatever name we call it, wetiko is undoubtedly one of the most important discoveries ever made. Indicating the supreme importance of developing knowledge about how this predator of the mind operates, Don Juan from the Carlos Castaneda books refers to it as the “topic of topics.” Wetiko is literally “at the bottom,” at the very root of the seemingly never-ending destruction we are wreaking on each other and the very biosphere we depend upon for our survival as a species. It is truly helpful to find other lineages and traditions that illumine wetiko disease in their own creative way, as our multi-perspectival vision simultaneously gives a higher resolution, providing us with a greater scope and capacity to see what no one particular map or model by itself can reveal.

Wesselman’s book is an introduction to the profound wisdom teachings of the Hawaiian kahuna elder Hale Makua. To quote Makua’s conversation with Wesselman, “The ‘e‘epa are deceivers. Some call them the masters of deception.”[i] Interestingly, etymologically speaking, one of the inner meanings of “the devil” is “the deceiver.” Makua, who is a wisdom keeper of an ancient Polynesian lineage, continues, “They are free-ranging psychic entities, invisible beings who function as mind parasites. As such, they prey on those who are vulnerable to their influence.” We all have a tendency to potentially deceive ourselves via the reality-creating genius of our own mind; the ‘e‘epa hook into and amplify our seemingly innate propensity for self-deception. Due to our almost unlimited capacity for pulling the wool over our own eyes, psychiatrist R. D. Laing writes, our species has, “tricked ourselves out of our own mind,”[ii] a state covertly inspired by the ‘e‘epa, I might add. People are particularly susceptible to fall under the spell of these “masters of deception” who are not in touch with the living and self-authenticating reality of their own experience. Not sufficiently knowing the nature of their own minds, they are overly suggestible to taking on other peoples’ perspective of the world and themselves, therefore easily falling prey to the prevailing groupthink of the herd and to the ‘e‘epa parasite.

Others, who are “sensitive” and have a permeable boundary between the conscious and unconscious, such as psychics and channelers, can, even with the best of intentions, become unwitting instruments for these incorporeal masters of deception in ways that can create havoc in people’s lives. To quote Makua, “This is because the deceivers reside in the same realm in which psychics operate─the mental-emotional levels of awareness and experience.” Taking on and customizing their very image so as to have the most personal impact, Makua continues, “They can simply pluck them out of the mind of the psychic, then appear to them in that form…The ‘e‘epa then simply tell psychics what they wish to hear.” When we are inspired by “spirits,” it is always a good idea to check our sources, to discern if they are of the left or the right hand path.

Makua comments, “The ‘e‘epa are accomplished shape-shifters who are good at mimicking. They can assume forms that are meaningful to the ones they choose to deceive…they are devious, and their motivation is deception. They operate through illusion, and they are masters of this practice.” The ‘e‘epa, another name for the wetiko virus, have the most disagreeable and trickster-like quality of appearing in our guise. They cloak themselves in and assume our form, getting under our skin and “putting us on” as a disguise, impersonating us as they fool us to buy into their false version of who we are. Falling prey to their artificial, yet uncanny intelligence, we become unreal to ourselves. Bamboozled and hoodwinked by this imposter and copycat of ourselves, we then mime ourselves, becoming a master copy, an ersatz duplicate of our original and authentic selves. No longer belonging to nor possessing ourselves, we then simultaneously identify with who we’re not while disassociating from, and forgetting who we actually are. In so doing we effectively have then “lost our soul.”

Though “relatively” real, and most definitely needing to be dealt with and faced within the level of relative reality, from the ultimate, “absolute”[iii] point of view, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus has no objective, independent existence separate from our own mind. This is analogous to how a vampire can’t exist autonomously, from its own side, separate from us; a vampire can only take on apparent existence relative to – and feeding off of – us. There is no entity outside ourselves who can steal our soul; the dreamed-up phenomenon of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus, which arises entirely within the sphere of our mind, tricks us into giving it away ourselves. The most depraved part of falling under the sleight-of-hand of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is that, ultimately speaking, it involves the assent of our own free will, as we willingly, though unknowingly, subscribe to our enslaved condition; this is to say that no one other than ourselves is ultimately responsible for our situation. Ultimately speaking, with the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus we are not being infected by an objectively existing, independent or substantial entity, which is why there is in reality nothing outside of ourselves to be afraid of.

If we reify the ‘e‘epa/wetiko bug as being real, “other” and truly existing independently of ourselves, and therefore a substantial threat to us, this virus of the mind will then inspire, magnify and feed off of our fear. Conversely, if we think that the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is merely a function of our imagination and is hence, “unreal,” something to be ignored, we have then fallen under its spell, albeit in a different way, such that it can then unrestrainedly act itself out through us, beneath our conscious awareness. This conundrum points at the extreme paradox that we have to be able to embrace within ourselves in order to get a handle on these trickster-like forces. The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus exists in an intermediate realm in which it is both real and unreal at the same time (I go into this paradox more extensively in my book). Though not objectively existing in an absolute sense, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko pathogen has a “virtual reality” such that it can destroy not only us as individuals, but potentially our entire species. The fact that something that only exists as a function of ourselves can unleash enormously destructive forces upon the world and in so doing can ultimately destroy us is pointing at – and introducing us to – the incredibly vast, invisible, yet mostly untapped, unharnessed and unrealized creative power that is our inherent human birthright.

Jung refers to this deceiving spirit by the name Antimimos, which he describes as “the imitator and evil spirit.” Antithetical to the light, Antimimos refers to a type of deception that could be thought of as “countermimicy.” Referred to as the antimimon pneuma in the Apocryphon of John (Apoc. John III, 36:17), this counterfeiting spirit imitates something─in this case, ourselves─but with the intention to make the copy, the fake version, serve a purpose counter to that of the original. When we fall for the ruse of this snake oil salesman of the spirit, we become dis-oriented, losing our sense of spiritual vocation, our mission in life, even our very selves. Writer and poet Max Pulver, presenting at the 1943 Eranos Conference, said that “The antimimon pneuma [i.e., the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus] is the origin and cause of all the evils besetting the human soul.”[iv] The revered Gnostic text Pistis Sophia says that the antimimon pneuma has affixed itself to humanity like an “illness.”

Referring to the ‘e‘epa, Makua says, “Demons─they could be called interdimensional demons.” Unconscious psychic forces, “demons” (please see my article “Are We Possessed?”) have a psychological reality, in that they affect and alter our experience of ourselves. In my book, I refer to the origin of the wetiko demon as being split-off parts of the psyche, what Jung would call “autonomous complexes.” Due to trauma or some other form of transgression of our psychic boundaries, a part of the wholeness of our psyche dissociates and develops a seemingly independent and autonomous life of its own. Indigenous people the world over refer to these autonomous complexes as “demons.” These demons inhabit the higher (and lower) realms of mind in such a way that, as Makua points out, they are truly “interdimensional,” easily able to pass through and fluidly operate across the apparently solid boundaries of mind and matter, of inner and outer, of dreaming and waking. Not constrained by the conventional laws of third-dimensional space and time, these nonlocal “interdimensional demons” manifest – and reveal – themselves by in-forming and synchronistically configuring events in the seemingly outside world so as to express themselves.

Just as in a dream, events in the outer world are symbolically reflecting a condition deep within the psyche of each one of us. The (worldly) “powers-that-be” – the people and corporate institutions in positions of power to influence perception and deceive the masses – are themselves lower-level reflections of and instruments for these higher-dimensional “masters of deception,” who are actually the ones in-forming and guiding much of the deception within, between and among ourselves. If we don’t understand that our current world crisis has its roots within and is an expression of the human psyche, and instead become entranced into believing that the many problems we face as a species have a concrete, objective and extra-psychic origin, we are doomed to unconsciously repeat and continually re-create endless suffering and destruction in more and more amplified form, as if we are having a recurring nightmare.

The virus of evil at first insinuates itself into the soul in incremental, unnoticed and insidious steps, but at a certain point this leukemia of the soul becomes seemingly irreversible, leading to its host’s destruction. Makua elucidates, “The ‘e‘epa encourage human beings to go into the negative polarity…and as we continue to go there, we reach that point where we can no longer self-correct. It is at this point that the deceivers encourage us to continue in that direction.” Once we fall into our unconscious, identify with and act out our unreflected-upon point of view, our uncorrected error becomes an open door for the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus to lend its deviant force to what is increasingly going off course, taking us with it in an ever-downward death spiral. Inspiring an inverted, upside-down logic, a flawless and truly deadly illogic (what in my book I call “wetiko-logic”), the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus will influence those under its sway to use fallacious deduction to subconsciously select data which will then invariably lead to conclusions which only perpetuate chronic avoidance of the crux of the matter. Just as viruses or malware infect a computer and program it to self-destruct, mind-viruses like the ‘e‘epa/wetiko pathogen program the human biocomputer to think, believe and act out in ways that can result in our self-destruction. People so afflicted, like someone in the throes of an addiction or in a state of trauma, unwittingly create the very problem they are trying to resolve, clinging desperately to the very false conviction that is leading them astray as it tortures and destroys them.

Makua ends the preceeding comment by warning, “It is then that we step across a threshold and into the realm of evil.” Evil, simply put, is anti-life, life turning against itself, live “spell”-ed backwards. In the traumatized soul (and to the extent we are not fully awake, we are all in a state of trauma, the trauma of not being one with ourselves), both Freud and Jung recognized that there is a factor within the psyche which, once it gains a certain momentum and seeming autonomy, continually keeps neurotic, unproductive suffering alive. There is an aggressive anti-wholeness agency within us, as if “made” out of our disowned, unexpressed, in-turned and inverted aggression twisted back upon ourselves, which actively cultivates and breeds dissociation within the psyche. The fluid, ever-flowing, self-reflective/reflexive process of the continually-evolving psyche en/unfolding itself over time becomes suspended, rigidified and frozen, stuck in time, in a seemingly never-ending and self-generating feedback loop. This inertial, entropic and thanatic factor seems to be actively resistant to and set against us recovering, discovering and attaining our intrinsic wholeness. Jung refers to this dis-integrative factor as a “morbid” fragment of the personality which inspires a “will to be ill.” It is as if there is an unconscious counterforce to the faculty of the will, a “shadow of the will,” so to speak, that prohibits the synthesis of the fragments of our experience into the meaningful constructs and perceptions that make up a healthy, wholesome and coherent psyche.

To the extent that we unconsciously identify with, become taken over by and act out the impulses that are inspired by the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus, it is as if a psychic tapeworm or parasite has commandeered our brain and tricked us, its host, into thinking we are feeding and empowering ourselves, while we are actually nourishing the parasite. This virus of the mind is a virulent, psychic pathogen that insinuates thought-forms and beliefs into our mind which, when unconsciously enacted, feed it, and ultimately kill its host – us. To the extent we are not aware of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus, it literally colonizes our mind and sets up a seemingly autonomous regime, a “shadow government” within our psyche (outwardly reflected by the “shadow government” in the world) such that we become oppressed within the sovereign domain of our own being. The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus paralyzes and freezes the ego into an immobilized, powerless and life-less state, in which our life force and energetic potential are literally being vampirically drained from us. Imperceptibly, we become led by impersonal psychic forces which gradually take control of our psyche. We become pushed around by an invisible player like a figure on a chessboard, played and manipulated like marionettes on a string. We are then being constantly “held in check” by these intangible forces, which unbeknownst to us, are “gaming” us from a hidden position within our own unillumined psyche. As compared to existing “by virtue” of something, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko bug can only exist by the “lack of virtue” of our own obscured and unexamined minds. This pathological part of the psyche can subsume all the wholesome parts of the psyche into itself such that the healthy aspects of the psyche serve, become under the dominion of, and become slaves to the disease. This morbid and perverse part of the personality, to quote Jung, “devours what is left of the normal ego and forces it into the role of a secondary (oppressed) complex.”[v]

As if an invisible coup has taken place within the psyche, we, as rightful rulers of our own psychic landscape, have been deposed and are living under a “foreign occupation” (what Don Juan calls a “foreign installation”), no longer masters in our own home. Split in two, it is as if our left hand doesn’t know what our right hand is doing. As this split-off, rogue, and pathological part of the psyche “incorporates” itself within the psyche, it takes on, and over a living body such that it “dictates” to the ego in such a way that the ego is tricked into believing that it is directing itself. We are allowed our seeming freedom and ability to live our “normal” lives, as long as it doesn’t challenge, threaten, or thwart the deeper agenda of these sinister forces to centralize power and control. This internal process is getting externally out-pictured in the creeping tendency towards fascism within the United States government and the world at large.

Synchronistically, during the writing of this article, it has become front-page, worldwide news about the NSA’s out-of-control, 24/7 spying on not just American citizens, but on people and governments the world over. In a total abuse of power and an example of upside-down wetiko-logic, the Government absurdly claims to be “protecting” its citizens by spying on─“bugging”─them. In the total opposite of what a free society looks like – transparent government and privacy for its people – the U. S. government is demanding secrecy for itself while destroying the privacy of everyone else. Spying is a classic archetypal feature of the modus operandi of a mind infected with the logic of fear and separation, the sine qua non of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus’s operating system. Spying itself is an action that if done in return to the party committing the spying is considered to be an unacceptable outrage. As light is being shed on their nefarious actions, the NSA is acting like it’s the victim, while the truth of the matter is that, in having committed violations of basic human rights, the NSA is in fact the perpe-tra(i)tor, the “victimizer disguised as the victim.” Such a glaring double standard, logical contradiction, hypocrisy and inverted logic are the spore-prints of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus in action. A lawless and criminal violation of our sovereign rights of freedom and privacy, this complete surveillance of our lives, presented to the public as the very thing needed to keep us safe, is an example of countermimicy in action, as its underlying and unspoken agenda of power, domination, manipulation and control is creating the exact opposite of its publicly stated intention. A more vivid living example of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko bug in action as it unfolds throughout the world theater is hard to imagine.

The ‘e‘epa/wetiko bug doesn’t acknowledge or abide by the spurious subject/object dichotomy, acting itself out free from these constraints. One of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus’s unique ploys is to take advantage of the fact that there is no actual boundary between the inner and the outer. In the NSA spying scandal, an “interdimensional” process taking place deep in the soul of humanity has had the whistle blown on it, as it spills outside of our skulls and reveals itself in, as and through the events and circumstances of the outer world. Appearing external to ourselves, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus, having its origin within us, utilizes the medium of the outside world as the canvas for its full-bodied revelation of itself. The inner process of how the ‘e‘epa/wetiko bug covertly operates within our psyche is getting synchronistically dreamed up and currently en-acted in full-bodied form, writ large on the international stage, visible for all who have eyes to see it as a reflection of a dynamic taking place within ourselves.

Talking about the ‘e‘epa, Makua elaborates, “If we look at the state of the world today, we can see their influence everywhere, and at every level…they especially attach themselves to our political, economic and religious leaders─to all the major players in the game─and in all fairness, these worthies are quite unaware of their negative influence.” People who are taken over by the ‘e‘epa/wetiko parasite are unconscious of being taken over, as this ‘psychic coup’ takes place through their unconscious blind spots. When we are taken over by more powerful psychic forces, by definition, we don’t know that we are possessed by something other than ourselves, which is precisely the way the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus wants it. Those who are drawn to power are particularly susceptible to being taken over by these deceivers, which feed on their attraction and addiction to power. Having a predilection for power brings with it a self-serving blindness which can easily be seized upon, manipulated and amplified to malignant extremes by the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus. The people who find themselves in positions of worldly power and influence are easily able to propagate their pathology far and wide throughout the world at large, thus significantly helping to spread the reach and dominion of this psychic plague. Wesselman comments, “What the chief had said made perfect sense─an arch-deceiver had straddled our major religious or political systems for hundreds or even thousands of years creating havoc as the ‘e‘epa encouraged us to go even deeper into the negative polarity.”

So many of us seem to have a resistance to seeing and consciously dealing with these darker forces that have insinuated themselves into the greater body politic and are playing themselves out through every level of our society. To quote Makua, “Our cultural resistance to doing this is partially due to the dark programming of the deceivers.” This “dark programming” is the cultural brainwashing, the hypnotic spell that is woven throughout the warp and woof of every aspect of our civilization via the mainstream media and corporate-controlled entertainment industry, the “entrainment industry,” both of which can be considered to be the massive propaganda organs of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus. Our resistance, our looking away, is an avoidance of relationship with a part of ourselves. Our ostrich policy of turning a blind eye to events of enormous negative collective significance is itself nothing other than the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus in action.

Wetiko is a form of psychic blindness that not only believes itself to be sighted, but arrogantly believes it is more sighted than anyone else. The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus flavors and covertly manages our perceptions under the darkness of our unconscious so as to act itself out through us while simultaneously hiding itself from being seen. The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus bedazzles, bewitches, and bedevils consciousness in such a way that we become blind to the underlying, assumed viewpoints through which we habitually perceive, conjure up and give meaning to our experience of both the world and ourselves. Once having infiltrated and insinuated itself into the body politic, be it of a person or a society, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus perversely fancies itself to be the healing antibody, ironically relating to the genuinely wholesome parts of the greater overall system (which are in fact the actual antibodies), as cancerous tumors to be exterminated. The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus subversively turns our “genius” for reality-creation against us in such a way that we literally become bewitched by the projective tendencies of our own mind. As if under a spell, we become entranced by our own intrinsic gifts and talents for dreaming up our world, unknowingly hypnotizing ourselves with our God-given power to creatively call forth reality, so that it boomerangs against us, undermining our potential for individual and collective evolution.

Speaking about the ‘e‘epa, Makua makes the point, “If we look at the state of the world today, we can see their influence everywhere, and at every level. They could be thought of as psychic vampires. This is who and what vampires really are.” As I read Makua’s words, the excitement I felt was palpable, as it was like I was reading my own words in someone else’s book. Legends and mythologies about vampires from time immemorial are symbolically describing and pointing at the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus. Just like vampires, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus has a thirst for the very thing it lacks─the mystical essence of life─the “blood” of our soul, our very life-force. A member of the “undead,” the vampiric ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is fundamentally “dead” matter “taking on” apparently living form; it is only in and through a living being that it acquires a quasi-life. These psychic vampires aren’t able to replicate themselves through their own energy, however, so they are compelled to propagate themselves through us so that we can dissimulate, “pass on” and transmit the bug to others.

The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus animates a virulent form of psychosis that is highly contagious, spreading through the channel of our shared unconsciousness. When afflicted with this virus of the mind, there is an alien-ating code or logic which affects/infects awareness in a way analogous to how the DNA in a virus passes into and infects a cell. Its vectors of infection do not travel like a physical pathogen, however. This fluidly moving, nomadically wandering bug reciprocally reinforces and feeds off and into each of our unconscious blind spots, which is how it nonlocally propagates itself throughout the field. As Jung has reminded us, the greatest danger that threatens humanity today is the possibility that millions (maybe even billions?) of us can fall into our unconscious together, reinforcing each other’s madness in such a way that, as if afflicted by a psychic plague that we cannot see due to the blinding nature of the infection, we become unwittingly complicit in creating our own self-destruction.

Makua continues, “The ‘e‘epa are mental forces that have the ability to intrude into the human mind…and all the time. They operate through subterfuge and psychic stealth. They are adversaries who are drawn to humans because they wish to acquire our human capacity for creative imagination. You see…this they lack completely. Humans are creators, and they are not.” Coveting the creative imagination which they themselves lack, if we don’t use the divine gift of our creative imagination in the service of life, these adversarial mental forces will use our imagination for (and against) us, with deadly consequences. These predators are in competition with us for a “share” of our own mind, wanting to “sit in our seat.” Instead of being a sovereign being who consciously creates with our thoughts, we will then be unconsciously created by them, as the adversarial forces literally think in our place. Interestingly, an inner meaning of the word “Satan” is the “adversary.” Like a vampire, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus can’t stand to be illumined, however, for in seeing how it covertly operates through our own consciousness, we take away its seeming autonomy and power over us, disabling it while at the same time empowering ourselves.

Speaking of the ‘e‘epa, Makua says, “We always have to deal with our own lower impulses that are continually encouraged by the deceivers, and we all run up against them, and every day. They have been here a long time, and they know the human mind intimately, as that is where they reside.” It is as if, to the extent we are not awake, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus knows our mind better than we do. With the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus, it is as if an alien, meta-physical “other” is subliminally intruding thought-forms and beliefs into our own mind, which if identified with, compel us to act against our own best interests. Similarly, the “Gnostics” (the ones “who know”) are pointing at the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus when they describe mind parasites called “Archons” who infiltrate and subvert the workings of our own mind.

Referring to the ‘e‘epa, Makua continues, “Dealing with them and recognizing who and what they are is the first stage of the transformational process─yet it is the one that may lead us to cross the event horizon you have mentioned, beyond which nothing is ever the same again.” Once we recognize “who and what” the ‘e‘epa are, to quote Makua, “This is where our potentials for spiritual and evolutionary growth becomes limitless.” The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus can only be seen when we begin to realize the dreamlike nature of our universe, step out of the viewpoint of the separate self, and recognize the deeper underlying field of which we are all expressions, in which we are all contained, and through which we are all interconnected. The energetic expression of this realization, and the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus dissolver par excellence, is compassion. Speaking about “the high spiritual guardians who brought us to this world,” Makua comments that they knew that “humanity already existed as a dream. We as individuals are the manifested aspects of that dream─aspects that have now grown to the point where we have become creator beings unlike any that have existed on this world before.” As creators, we are autopoietic agencies in reciprocal co-evolution with ourselves as well as with the universe at large. Once we recognize the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus for what it is, to quote Makua, “We can participate in our own evolution as well as our personal and collective destiny.” As I become more familiar with Makua’s empowering and enlightening teachings, I find myself filled with gratitude for having connected with his amazing work.

The origin of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is the human psyche[vi] (see my article “The World is Psyche”), and recognizing how this virus of the mind operates through our unawareness is the beginning of the cure that literally changes everything. Our shared future will be decided primarily by the changes that take place in the psyche of humanity, which is truly the world’s pivot. The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is literally demanding that we pay attention to the fundamental role that the psyche plays in creating our experience of ourselves and of the world. The less the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is recognized, however, the more seemingly powerful, and dangerous it becomes. To quote the Gnostic text The Gospel of Philip, “So long as the root of wickedness is hidden, it is strong. But when it is recognized, it is dissolved…It is powerful because we have not recognized it.”[vii]

To a person who’s entranced by the spell of the collectively agreed upon consensus reality, such talk about demons, vampires, mind viruses, psychic parasites and the like sound like so much superstitious dogma, new age, spiritual nonsense and gobbledygook, or the ravings of a fevered, paranoid imagination that believes in strange conspiracy theories. It should be pointed out that everyone of us experiences the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus in our own unique way, regardless of what concepts or words we use to describe the experience, or whether we believe in such things or not. It is worth noting, and should get our highest attention, however, that some of the greatest thinkers, philosophers, visionaries and teachers among us have been pointing in their own way at the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus for millennia. Speaking about the state of humanity, philosopher, mystic and social activist Simone Weil writes, “It is as though affliction had established itself in him like a parasite and were directing him to suit its own purposes.”[viii] The revolutionary spiritual teacher Gurdjieff says that if we observe carefully, “You will see that you are different from what you think you are. You will see that you are two. One that is not, but takes the place and plays the role of the other [the real you].”[ix] Physicist David Bohm, one of the most original, radical and important thinkers of the second half of the twentieth century, speaking of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko parasite in his own words, writes, “It’s similar to a virus─somehow this is a disease of thought, of knowledge, of information, spreading all over the world…It’s spreading like a virus and each one of us is nourishing that virus.”[x] To the extent we are unaware of this thought-virus, Bohm realized that we are all complicit in its propagation. He recognized that this virus of the mind is the very thing “preventing mankind from working together for the common good, and indeed, for survival.” He realized that this contagious “disease of thought” had surreptitiously intruded itself into the realm of mind itself, where, to the extent we are unaware of it, it can work its black magic unrestrained.

Bohm then wonders, “Do we have a kind of immune system that stops it? The only way to stop it is to recognize it, to acknowledge it, to see what it is. If any one of us starts to look at that, then we are looking at the source of the problem.”[xi] The seeing and knowing of the presence and activities of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus, in Buddhist tradition called “Mara” – The Evil, or Dark One – are major elements in the process of the Buddha’s enlightenment. It is emphasized in the Buddha’s teachings that it was ignorance and darkness, along with their capacity to “blind” humanity – all characteristics of being afflicted by the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus – that were dispelled at the moment of enlightenment. The image of Buddha routing Mara’s hosts is often likened to darkness being dispelled by the sun. Once he attained enlightenment, the Buddha always recognized the moment that Mara appeared; to fully recognize Mara is to immediately defeat him. This is why Mara exclaims with the utmost dismay and despair, “The Exalted One knows me!” (The Exalted One is the Buddha, the one who has awakened to the dreamlike nature). Remember also what the Gnostic Gospel of Philip says about evil, “When it is recognized, it is dissolved.” Though on one level apparently opposing Buddha’s enlightenment, Mara (the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus) was actually Buddha’s secret ally, a projected aspect of Buddha’s own consciousness, for Buddha wouldn’t have been able to develop the “muscle” of his realization without Mara’s challenge.

Makua concludes, “Sooner or later, all of us become aware of the presence of a darkness within ourselves─the darkness into which we have fallen with the help of the adversaries, the deceivers.” I would suggest that the sooner we shed light on and become aware of the “darkness within ourselves,” the better. Our “enlightenment” makes no difference whatsoever if it doesn’t help us to illumine the darkness within ourselves. As Jung reminds us, “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.”[xii] Light is ultimately revealed through darkness; it needs darkness, for otherwise, how could it appear as light? Shadows are simultaneously an expression of the absence, as well as the presence of light, for we can never have a shadow without light nearby. The darker the shadow, the brighter is the light of which it is a projection. We normally think of illumination as “seeing the light,” but “seeing the darkness” is a form of illumination, too. Hidden and encoded in the darkness is a higher form of light that transcends the light vs. dark duality: the light of awareness itself. This formless light has the property of not only being invulnerable to the negative forces of darkness, but it touches and transfigures everyone who “sees” it. This is the light of self-reflective lucid, primordial awareness that awakens us to the dreamlike nature of reality.

Speaking about this very light in his dialogue with Makua, Wesselman says, “The higher vibrational states of being are connected to the Light that emanates from the Source. This in turn reveals unequivocally that our being of light, our Oversoul [our Higher Self], is a fragment of the great spiritual Light that is not subject to the distortion of the dark forces.” The greatest protection against becoming negatively affected, and in extreme cases possessed, by the evil aspects of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is to be in touch with our intrinsic wholeness, which is to be “self-possessed” – in possession of the part of ourselves that is not possess-able, which is the Self, the wholeness of our being. Being in touch with our true nature acts as a sacred amulet or talisman, shielding and protecting us from evil’s pernicious effects. We “defeat” evil not by fighting against it (in which case, by playing its game, we’ve already lost), but by getting in touch with the part of us that is invulnerable to its effects. The value of bringing our attention to, putting our awareness on and contemplating the multi-faceted ways that the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus deviates the psyche is that, in so doing, we can discover and directly experience the part of ourselves that is incorruptible, which is the very place from which we can bring real and lasting change to our world. Testers of humanity, it is as if these nonlocal vampiric forces are guardians of the threshold of our conscious evolution.

In illuminating the darkness, we need to rely on a “higher power” (Wesselman’s “Oversoul,” or Higher Self), a strength in us that is greater than and transcendent to our own ego, which is the Self, our intrinsic wholeness. Paradoxically, we would not have connected with the wholeness of the Self without the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus’s intervention. Without a break in its symmetry, the higher order and true nature of our Being would have no way to encounter and become aware of itself. If the obstacles presented by the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus didn’t exist, we would have to invent them intentionally, because it is by overcoming obstacles that we develop the higher qualities that we need in order to unleash our untapped potential. Interestingly, another meaning of the word “Satan” is one who creates “obstacles.” Instead of a typical virus mutating so as to become resistant to our attempts to heal from it, the shape-shifting and mercurial ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus forces us to mutate─and evolve─relative to it. In a very real sense, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus “cures” us of our wrong attitude towards both it as well as ourselves. It is as though the evil of the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is itself the instrument of a higher intelligence designed to connect us to a sacred, creative source within ourselves. The ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus literally demands that we step into our power and become immune to its oppression such that we discover how to step out of bondage and become free. Although the source of humanity’s inhumanity to itself, at the same time the ‘e‘epa/wetiko bug is the greatest catalytic force of evolution ever known─as well as not known─to humanity. It confronts us with a stark option: evolve or self-destruct.

Though seemingly opposed to our true nature, seen from this more expanded point of view, the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus introduces us to, and is itself, the disguised expression of our true nature. Once this is realized, the question arises: Is the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus the darkest evil, or being that it is introducing us to the greater unity and perfection within ourselves, of which we were previously unaware, is it an instrument of the highest good? This point of view within ourselves in which the opposites coincide and become indistinguishable─a “coincidentia oppositorum”─is itself the transpersonal viewpoint of the Self. Seeing through the “transpersonaling” lens of the Self allows us to not personalize, and solidify ourselves as a separate and seemingly concrete individual. A true quantum phenomenon,[xiii] the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is the deadliest poison and the most healing medicine co-joined in one superposed state. Will the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus take our species down and continue to inspire our self-destruction, or will it awaken us? Everything depends upon whether or not we recognize what it is revealing to us about ourselves. Being a dreamed up phenomena, how the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus manifests depends upon how we dream it from now onwards.

A pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence, Paul Levy is a wounded healer in private practice, assisting others who are also awakening to the dreamlike nature of reality. He is the author of Dispelling Wetiko: Breaking the Curse of Evil (North Atlantic Books). He is also the author of The Madness of George W. Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, An artist, he is deeply steeped in the work of C. G. Jung, and has been a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over thirty years. Please visit Paul’s website www.awakeninthedream.com. You can contact Paul at paul@awakeninthedream.com; he looks forward to your reflections. Though he reads every email, he regrets that he is not able to personally respond to all of them. © Copyright 2013.



[i] All of the quotes from Wesselman’s book The Bowl of Light (Boulder: Sounds True, 2011) are from pp. 224 – 237.

[ii] R. D. Laing, The Politics of Experience (New York: Pantheon, 1971), 73.

[iii] The relative and absolute points of view interpenetrate each other so fully such that they should not be considered separate. For example, it is a mistake to solely identify with the absolute point of view (in which the ‘e‘epa/wetiko virus is seen to be “unreal” and hence, doesn’t exist) and thereby marginalize the relative; both points of view need to honored simultaneously.

[iv] Joseph Campbell, ed. Spiritual Disciplines: Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks, Vol. 4 (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1985). p. 254.

[v] Quoted from Minder, “Sabina Speilbrein, Jung’s patient in the Burgholzli,” Journal of Analytical Psychology, 46 (1): 45.

[vi] I am using the word “psyche” similar to Jung, in that it includes the totality of all psychic processes, both conscious and unconscious. Being nonlocal, the psyche is not only contained within our skull, but we are surrounded by, and contained within the psyche.

[vii] II, 3, 83.5-30.

[viii] Simone Weil, “The Love of God and Affliction,” in Simone Weil Reader, ed. G. Panichas (Mt. Kisco, NY; Moyer Bell Limited, 1977), 441.

[ix] From an essay by Jeanne de Salzmann originally published in Gurdjieff: Essays and Reflections on the Man and His Teaching (New York: Continuum, 1996), ed. Jacob Needleman and George Baker; posted at www.gurdjieff.org/salzmann3.htm.

[x] Bohm, On Dialogue, 58.

[xi] Ibid., p. 58-59.

[xii] Jung, Alchemical Studies, CW 13, par. 335.

[xiii] By quantum phenomenon, I refer to the nature of light – is it a wave or a particle? The answer: it depends upon how it is observed (or in my language, how we “dream it”).

[Sebastion]

I would agree with you Target that this is a most important topic as would Castenada! Excerpts from the book Active Side of Infinity:

Castaneda puts it as follows: [excerpted]

"They [the sorcerers of ancient Mexico]discovered that we have a companion for life. We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so." […]
You have arrived, by your effort alone, to what the shamans of ancient Mexico called the topic of topics,. I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico." " […] They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them." […]

I would say after studying all that I have, that 9eagle9 and Paul Levy are both experts in the field of Wetico/Their Mind.

It is indeed the Topic of Topics....

[ThePythonicCow]

I just looked whether there was a thread about this topic because I came across a nice article by the very same Paul Levy about it all which has been interesting me since reading a few of Castaneda's books in the late nineties and there is a thread started today. Fantastic!


Here is the article I saw today (It's a long'un, perhaps not new, only published now, I don't know, but it's worth a read):

THE MASTERS OF DECEPTION


by Paul Levy
Here's a link to the original of this article, with working links and a downloadable pdf: http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/the-masters-of-deception/

[ulli]

The other dimensional world goes two ways. Just as there are sneaky and deceptive entities there are also kind and honest ones. Not saying that Castaneda was wrong for not mentioning those,
nor the schools that omit talking about that aspect of reality.
But since I met neither Castaneda, nor Paul Levy in person I will withhold judgement.

But those people I have met who have no clue that there are benevolent beings outside of themselves
can never convince me that their view is everything there is to know.
Focusing on the dark side needs to be balanced by focusing on the higher-ups.

Maybe these people had it rough in childhood, and suffered trauma. Never got help, by someone who had transcended self.
So they cannot imagine that when you reach your own limit, you will be assisted.
Sure they got assistance, somewhere. From mind...not from the heart. And what mind would that be?
THEIR mind...the projected evil virus. Mind is always fragmented, it knows no other way. Every word has an opposite meaning. Intelligence without love and emotion will create a monster... Like Dr. Frankenstein did.
The heart-oriented geniuses, on the other hand, who come and simply do their service, lifting up, rather than trampling down the enemy, are the ones who ought to be heard, too.
Every stick has two ends.

[Sgt-Bones]

Actually wetiko is the native american term for "their mind" which was exposed very well on this thread, by a former member of this forum, 9eagle9: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it

9eagle9 is/has been in email touch with Mr Levy and as I understand it, he has gotten a lot of flack for putting this information out. Feel free to browse the whole thread!

Hi Sebastion,

Thank you very much for bringing that thread to my attention!!

You are quite right, the 'their mind' that 9eagle9 was describing in that thread is EXACTLY the same thing as wetiko... no doubt about it whatsoever.

I just fininished reading that thread from start to finish and I must say, 9eagle9's insights into this subject matter are fantastic... and that is to say the very least.

I did notice, however, that she has been 'unsubscribed' from the forum and I'm wondering what someone with so much knowledge, insight and wisdom into the true nature of the human psyche could have done to get her self banned?

That is a real shame, would have loved to have been posting on here when she was still around... that's a big resource/asset for a forum like this one to lose.

Anyway, thanks for sharing that with me I REALLY appreciate it.

Oh, and if anyone else is seriously interested in this topic you should DEFINITELY GO AND READ THAT THREAD... it is quite an eye-opener and somewhat of a masterpiece.

Link here: Their mind and the emotioinal matrix that we create with it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...create-with-it)

[ThePythonicCow]

I did notice, however, that she has been 'unsubscribed' from the forum and I'm wondering what someone with so much knowledge, insight and wisdom into the true nature of the human psyche could have done to get her self banned?

That is a real shame, would have loved to have been posting on here when she was still around... that's a big resource/asset for a forum like this one to lose.
It's a long story ... the final chapter is writ here: 9eagle9 has been unsubscribed from this forum. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55121-9eagle9-has-been-unsubscribed-from-this-forum.).

[Sgt-Bones]

I did notice, however, that she has been 'unsubscribed' from the forum and I'm wondering what someone with so much knowledge, insight and wisdom into the true nature of the human psyche could have done to get her self banned?

That is a real shame, would have loved to have been posting on here when she was still around... that's a big resource/asset for a forum like this one to lose.
It's a long story ... the final chapter is writ here: 9eagle9 has been unsubscribed from this forum. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55121-9eagle9-has-been-unsubscribed-from-this-forum.).

Thanks Paul (sort of)... I think I can see now what went down there.

Based on what I've read of 9eagle9's posts, it seems she had a real knack for getting under people's (wetiko's) skin.


For the most part, wetikos are fearful of the light of truth, which they tend to avoid like the plague.

Typically, I have found that emotionally wounded people don't take too kindly to those who openly expose their woundedness.

My sense is that this is why "certain people" on this forum found her approach to be somewhat unpallatable.

But that is exactly how wetiko/their mind/flyer mind/archonic mind protects itself... by way of its inbuilt self-protection mechanism, whereby the afflicted are incapable of recognising the diesease in themselves and go into a kind of emotionally reactive (and defensive) mode when its existence is pointed out to them.

Thus drawing attention away from the disease and diverting attention to the drama that inevitably begins to unfold at that point.

This is one of the reasons why the disease is so prevalent throughout our society... billioins of people walking around who are completely oblivious to their own affliction and incapable of recognising it or accepting its existence when it is shown to them.

It truly is an uphill battle that we are fighting here... and in my estimation we need all the 9eagle9's we can get if we are to prevail.

Sad to see that she is no longer around here to help keep wetiko in check.

[Freed Fox]

Based on what I've read of 9eagle9's posts, it seems she had a real knack for getting under people's (wetiko's) skin.


For the most part, wetikos are fearful of the light of truth, which they tend to avoid like the plague.

Typically, I have found that emotionally wounded people don't take too kindly to those who openly expose their woundedness.

My sense is that this is why "certain people" on this forum found her approach to be somewhat unpallatable.

But that is exactly how wetiko/their mind/flyer mind/archonic mind protects itself... by way of its inbuilt self-protection mechanism, whereby the afflicted are incapable of recognising the diesease in themselves and go into a kind of emotionally reactive (and defensive) mode when its existence is pointed out to them.

Sgt... You basically nailed it.

I'll share something here regarding 9e9 (Chelley) which I don't believe I have before, since we're on the topic.

Initially, and for quite awhile, I was one of those who reacted negatively to her posts. I kept this to myself, however, and mostly just avoided her threads. However, I was apparently open-minded enough not to write her off entirely, and began delving into the 'Their Mind' thread when I had the time and mind to do so. At some point it just 'clicked', and I understood both where she was coming from and why I had previously found her posts distasteful.

That is a big reason why it bothers me when someone talks about ignoring certain members, for really any reason... Pieces of the puzzle all around, and lessons can be learned in the most unexpected places.

9e9 was a 'chronic offender'. I admit I wish she had employed more tact and diplomacy, however her seeming lack of these traits was sort of the whole point. It was how her words packed their punch. Her message and approach was highly inflammatory to 'their mind', and so it was exemplified all around her.

I wish more members could have seen the merits of her efforts. I miss her, as well as modwiz (another great member who left in the wake of those events). I am not laying blame to the moderators, as I can see how their hands were sort of tied, but that doesn't take away from the loss this forum there suffered.

[TargeT]

Typically, I have found that emotionally wounded people don't take too kindly to those who openly expose their woundedness.

My sense is that this is why "certain people" on this forum found her approach to be somewhat unpallatable.
.

careful where you tread, I'd say there's clearly still some people who have "issue " with 9eagle9 & she was banned from this forum, so the forum's slant is clear, those that cannot handle certain things get preferential treatment (even if it was for their own good).

I'm well practiced at self editing and am careful not to go over the line here on PA.


it's still a great source of info & seems to strive for a wider audience, which is understandable to me; if a bit disappointing.

[write4change]

What this site demonstrates in writing is that lot's of gurus of any kind have lots of problems themselves when they begin to take their insights and themselves too seriously.

It is my personal opinion the both Chelley and Rad did a lot of damage inspite of their intelligence, insight, and many friends. Going into it all again, is probably pointless. None the less, there was much said and done on Skype that was not known here nor made transparent to all involved.

Both Mod and eagle could be quite judgmental about the motives of others while they did a lot of what I consider to be game playing. I have no problem with game playing---it can provide lots of learning and experience. I have a problem with not acknowledging the game being played. I also find psychodrama highly useful when used right. I participated in Prometheus in Palo Alto for 9 years in the 70s. I am still so blown away by some of the things said about me on Skype that I do much more reading than posting any more. After all if someone has worked really hard to destroy your credibility without a chance to confront----- And there was a huge group of people here that really found that behavior satisfying.

So when anyone gets into who is more enlightened or who is more in touch with the essence of the Mysteries---I get backed off. We all have flaws and we all see through the veil only darkly. I have been reading Paul Levy for about 8years and he first appeared on Dailykos as a blogger. As he has evolved, much of his past seems to have disappeared.

My other guru I watch--Walsh of Conversations with God. He more than anyone convinces me of channeling. There is a lot of original insight in the first book and I knew him personally in the early 80s with the Hayes movement. The person I knew could not have written that book without a lot of help. I really can consider he heard The Voice for a while. But it was not enough and he wound up getting banned and outed for plagiarism of other people's stories. Now he is the guru of boat cruises.

I will continue watching Greer to see how that evolves. I still have great appreciation for David Icke, warts and all, the serious believer of his own vision. Is it right? I don't know. But I hear what he has to say.

[gripreaper]

The body is a vessel. Like the Potter who forms the flask with his hands on the wheel, which once having been “fired” in the Phoenix fires of life, becomes the chalice from which all the waters of compassion and joy flow.

Each polarized aspect of the light spectrum, every color of the rainbow, is explored and experienced in all of its utter bliss and horror, both from the male perspective as well as the female perspective. The mother becomes the son, and the daughter becomes the father. Everything happens in balance and the universe is not mocked.

Those who get “stuck” at certain polarized extremes, their soul will “up the ante” in their next lifetime, to resolve the beliefs and attachments which support the disconnected energy, and the justification for the severed and sequestered nature of the experience.

Those who cut “grooves” into an energy and remain stuck for many lifetimes, can and do attract energy vampires, both astral and incarnate, and run the risk of dissolution back into the matrix of undifferentiated light, without the benefit of their individual rainbow consciousness. Psychopathy and sociopathy are examples of this.

We create our own heaven or hell in every moment, no matter where we are, and we also choose when we’ve had enough, if ever.

The inbreath and outbreath of creation is the dance we all partake in. How we dance is up to us.

[Mark]

Sting endorsed Paul Levy's book. That's enough of a 'shout-out' for me, and that long quote you posted was fyah. One of the best descriptions I've read of the foreign installation/wetiko/asura/mara/flyer/predator/djinn/archon/demon/‘e‘epa phenomenological apparatus ever. I've participated in practically every thread on the forum in regards to that topic and have witnessed the blowback from placing an inordinate amount of attention upon something that requires mystery and secrecy in order to operate.

It attacks. It is self-pitying. It blows things out of proportion. It is passive-aggressive. It becomes an emotional firestorm.

It is its modus operandi. It is a dangerous topic to even contemplate, as doing such gives rise to immediate reaction in the lived environment of the questioner, the seeker, bent upon determining the true nature of reality and what lies beneath the false discursiveness of the predator. Those in the immediate environment of the questioner are affected. All attempts are made to return the sleeper to his or her slumber.

Thanks for sharing this information and adding a few more cultural sources to the ever-growing list of systems that recognize and prescribe real remedies to the alleviation of the problem. And, in all traditions, the answer, the medicine if you will, is the same. Spiritual enlightenment, i.e. learning to still and control the mind and emotions. An excellent addition you've made, SGT-BONES, to this, the Topic of Topics. Bless.

BTW, welcome to PA.

[Sgt-Bones]

Typically, I have found that emotionally wounded people don't take too kindly to those who openly expose their woundedness.

My sense is that this is why "certain people" on this forum found her approach to be somewhat unpallatable.
.

careful where you tread, I'd say there's clearly still some people who have "issue " with 9eagle9 & she was banned from this forum, so the forum's slant is clear, those that cannot handle certain things get preferential treatment (even if it was for their own good).

I'm well practiced at self editing and am careful not to go over the line here on PA.


it's still a great source of info & seems to strive for a wider audience, which is understandable to me; if a bit disappointing.

Hi Target,

Thanks for the friendly/honest advice, duly noted and appreciated mate.

I must admit though, conformity and restraint have never really been my strongest points... guess that probably has something to do with my Irish blood. lol

In all seriousness though, I promise I'll do my best not to stir up any more sh!t here.

Clearly 9ealge9's departure from this forum is still somewhat of a touchy subject, so I think I'll just let sleeping dogs lie for now.

I do still stand by everything I said about her in my previous post though.

You mentioned that one of your talents is the ability to self edit... well, mine is being an EXCEPTIONAL judge of character ;)

All the best, Target.

[Sgt-Bones]

Sting endorsed Paul Levy's book. That's enough of a 'shout-out' for me, and that long quote you posted was fyah. One of the best descriptions I've read of the foreign installation/wetiko/asura/mara/flyer/predator/djinn/archon/demon/‘e‘epa phenomenological apparatus ever. I've participated in practically every thread on the forum in regards to that topic and have witnessed the blowback from placing an inordinate amount of attention upon something that requires mystery and secrecy in order to operate.

It attacks. It is self-pitying. It blows things out of proportion. It is passive-aggressive. It becomes an emotional firestorm.

It is its modus operandi. It is a dangerous topic to even contemplate, as doing such gives rise to immediate reaction in the lived environment of the questioner, the seeker, bent upon determining the true nature of reality and what lies beneath the false discursiveness of the predator. Those in the immediate environment of the questioner are affected. All attempts are made to return the sleeper to his or her slumber.

Thanks for sharing this information and adding a few more cultural sources to the ever-growing list of systems that recognize and prescribe real remedies to the alleviation of the problem. And, in all traditions, the answer, the medicine if you will, is the same. Spiritual enlightenment, i.e. learning to still and control the mind and emotions. An excellent addition you've made, SGT-BONES, to this, the Topic of Topics. Bless.

BTW, welcome to PA.

Hi rahkyt,

Sounds to me like you know a thing or two about going toe-to-toe with wetiko (or whatever we're calling it now lol).

Care to tell us a little about your experiences?

No problem if you'd rather not btw... just thought I'd ask :)

I know from my own personal experience that when a person starts delving into the realms of the shadow-self things can (and often do) have a tendency to get a little "hectic" in their day-to-day life... this is typically the result of inner turmoil being reflected/projected into the physical/material world as the person wrangles with certain aspects of their shadow-self.

But, what I have also found is that these periods of chaos/turmoil tend to be short-lived and when things do finally settle down the person is left feeling much stronger, clearer, and better off for it in the end.

As you eluded to in your post, however, doing this kind of work is certainly not for the feint of heart... but the resulting pay-offs can be extremely rewarding and liberating if a person is truly willing to grind it out and allow things to unfold as required while they go through the clearing process.

There's no doubt about it though, when challenged/confronted wetiko will make a point of doing everything it can to stifle a persons efforts to free themselves from its grasp.

It will attempt to turn a person's life upside down in order to get them to submit to its will... the hard part is having enough strength of character and trust/faith/belief in one's self to see things through to the end.

This is almost always easier said than done, but as I mentioned above, it can really be worth it if a person is prepared to maintain their composure throughout the process and persevere with it no matter how tough things might get.

[TargeT]

You mentioned that one of your talents is the ability to self edit... well, mine is being an EXCEPTIONAL judge of character ;)

All the best, Target.

I'd like to think that I gained introspective awareness due to reading the material referenced in this thread, but maybe I had it all along and it just enhanced it.

I think (perhaps incorrectly) that self editing and being aware of ones own thoughts and actions (or intent to act, it's important to understand why you are going to do something before you do it) are key in the battle against "their mind" influence; I have children and I get to see what I think of as the purest forms of ego and "their mind" as social conditioning on "how to act around others" is not quite in place yet. I see their actions and think if they could simply question why they "must" do certain things, why some things get so much energy they would be much different & perhaps happier.

the ability of their mind to make you think it is actually "you" is of course, it's greatest power, and thus the reason why confronting it is so difficult in those that are unwilling to be self-introspective.

but again, all this is covered in great detail in the material referenced above.

[Mitzvah]

Once you see wetiko mind you can't stop unseeing it.

Petty and small. It makes it hosts feel foolish and look foolish, petty and small.

Good at holding a grudge. You have to give it that much.

People's obsession with safety and comfort? That is their prison. The wetiko mind obsession with safety. The powers that be are obsessed with safety. The Safety obsessed share the same mind.

I wonder if women in their dis-empowerment and 'being' small are more easily manipulated by the wetiko mind? Any ideas? While I do see it in men women are so much ever more obvious with it and it seems to express itself more through women as deep rooted insecurity.

What is not clearly understood is wholer minds cannot make their mind feel safe. Neither can they have empathy for it. It's impossible. They can ignore it but the wetiko mind don't like that. It's caught in the struggle between being fed (attention) and remaining hidden. It can't hide. It's too obvious.

Contrary to what was stated earlier up thread, people who investigate and come to an understanding of their mind are well able, better able, to know benevolent entities. Many so called 'benevolent' entities are manifestations of the wetiko mind.

The wetiko mind doesn't allow one to know which is which. Your ally becomes your enemy and your destroyer, your enabler, your closest supporter in the PHYSICAL realms let alone the non- physical. When one is in their whole mind they can know the difference between the avator and what is real.

Rahkyt is a good example. He expresses a great understanding of wetiko but still has an obvious optimism, the higher vision. That's just observation. Just obvious.

Unless one is blinded by wetiko.

[ponda]

The links below show examples of a 3d parasite that mind controls its host.It is a fungus parasite from the Amazon jungle that infects the Carpenter Ant of the Amazon jungle.

Excerpt from this link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1362507/Zombie-ants-Killer-fungus-turning-Amazon-rainforest-ants-colonies-zombies.html


It could be the plot from a straight-to-DVD horror movie - a fungus slowly turns host creatures into zombies before killing them off.

But such parasites are a reality and are destroying colonies of ants in the Amazonian rainforest.

The fungus latches on to carpenter ants as they cross the forest floor before returning to their nests high in the canopy.

The fungus then grows inside the ants, taking over their bodies and releasing chemicals to alter their behaviour.

Some of the insects wander off to find fresh leaves, while others fall from the tree tops on to leaves nearer the ground.

It is all part of the mechanism used by the fungus to ensure its spores are spread as far and wide as possible.

The final stage of the parasitic death sentence is particularly grim.

The fungus will 'guide' the infected ant to a leaf and lock their mandibles in a 'death grip' around the central vein, immobilising themselves and locking the fungus in position.

Once an ant has died, the fungus sprouts from its head and produces a pod of spores, which are dropped at night on to the forest floor.

The fungus cannot grow high up in the canopy or on the forest floor, but infected ants often die on leaves midway between the two, where the humidity and temperature suit the fungus.





There seems to be an intelligence within this parasite that controls the infected ant so as to give the parasite the best chance of survival.From the same article:


It's a fabulously complex organism,' Dr Hughes told the Guardian. 'There is a beauty to the whole thing, whether it is the chemicals at work that take over the ant, or the spores which try one strategy and then another to find a host on the forest floor.'



I find it very interesting where these parasites are located:


The four new species all come from the rainforest in south-eastern Brazil, which is the most heavily degraded biodiversity hotspot on the planet. Ninety-two percent of its original coverage is gone.


So the parasite has manifested in one area of the planet that has been the victim of human parasitical behavior.Interesting.

Also from the article:


According to the scientists each of the species is highly specialised on one ant species and has a suite of adaptations and spore types to ensure infection.

The life-cycle of these fungi that infect, manipulate and kill ants before growing spore producing stalks from their heads is remarkably complicated.

So if this is one example of a mind/body parasite that infects ants.What might be possible if humans could be infected by a mind parasite ?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/03/article-1362507-0D73D028000005DC-286_634x419.jpg
Zombified: The fungus takes over the ant's body and, once the insect is dead, produces spores from its head




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/03/article-1362507-0D73D141000005DC-568_634x409.jpg
Parasite: The fungus turns the ants into husks that are left clamped on to the leaves





Other links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/02/fungi-zombie-ants-amazon
http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2011/03/pictures/110303-zombie-ants-fungus-new-species-fungi-bugs-science-brazil/

[Sgt-Bones]

The links below show examples of a 3d parasite that mind controls its host.It is a fungus parasite from the Amazon jungle that infects the Carpenter Ant of the Amazon jungle.

Excerpt from this link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1362507/Zombie-ants-Killer-fungus-turning-Amazon-rainforest-ants-colonies-zombies.html


It could be the plot from a straight-to-DVD horror movie - a fungus slowly turns host creatures into zombies before killing them off.

But such parasites are a reality and are destroying colonies of ants in the Amazonian rainforest.

The fungus latches on to carpenter ants as they cross the forest floor before returning to their nests high in the canopy.

The fungus then grows inside the ants, taking over their bodies and releasing chemicals to alter their behaviour.

Some of the insects wander off to find fresh leaves, while others fall from the tree tops on to leaves nearer the ground.

It is all part of the mechanism used by the fungus to ensure its spores are spread as far and wide as possible.

The final stage of the parasitic death sentence is particularly grim.

The fungus will 'guide' the infected ant to a leaf and lock their mandibles in a 'death grip' around the central vein, immobilising themselves and locking the fungus in position.

Once an ant has died, the fungus sprouts from its head and produces a pod of spores, which are dropped at night on to the forest floor.

The fungus cannot grow high up in the canopy or on the forest floor, but infected ants often die on leaves midway between the two, where the humidity and temperature suit the fungus.





There seems to be an intelligence within this parasite that controls the infected ant so as to give the parasite the best chance of survival.From the same article:


It's a fabulously complex organism,' Dr Hughes told the Guardian. 'There is a beauty to the whole thing, whether it is the chemicals at work that take over the ant, or the spores which try one strategy and then another to find a host on the forest floor.'



I find it very interesting where these parasites are located:


The four new species all come from the rainforest in south-eastern Brazil, which is the most heavily degraded biodiversity hotspot on the planet. Ninety-two percent of its original coverage is gone.


So the parasite has manifested in one area of the planet that has been the victim of human parasitical behavior.Interesting.

Also from the article:


According to the scientists each of the species is highly specialised on one ant species and has a suite of adaptations and spore types to ensure infection.

The life-cycle of these fungi that infect, manipulate and kill ants before growing spore producing stalks from their heads is remarkably complicated.

So if this is one example of a mind/body parasite that infects ants.What might be possible if humans could be infected by a mind parasite ?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/03/article-1362507-0D73D028000005DC-286_634x419.jpg
Zombified: The fungus takes over the ant's body and, once the insect is dead, produces spores from its head




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/03/article-1362507-0D73D141000005DC-568_634x409.jpg
Parasite: The fungus turns the ants into husks that are left clamped on to the leaves





Other links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/02/fungi-zombie-ants-amazon
http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2011/03/pictures/110303-zombie-ants-fungus-new-species-fungi-bugs-science-brazil/

Well now, that really is some fascinating stuff - thanks for posting ponda.

Here's a couple of vids I found about these real-life parasites that have the ability control the minds of their prey/victims...

lGSUU3E9ZoM

2irXpAMBHkE

And wow, check this one out, seems they've made a 'zombie apocalypse' video game for the Playstation 3 that is based on the cordyceps-fungus-spore-parasite-mind-control-phenomena described in ponda's post and the two vids above... now that's just freaky!!

VKaX7GQyWm0

Hope this doesn't give the 'elite' any funny ideas!! lol

[Mitzvah]

Interesting observation . That is how we learn about the parasitical, by observation. The participant or host hasn't a clue. Nor can they observe the parasite at work in themselves or others.

South America, in general, is where the unsafe urge the other unsafe to flee to for future safety. Late for that now. As long as someone is being an obliging host to the collective parasitical hive mind there is no place in the world that will be safe. One is then urged to keep the parasite safe without much regard to one's own authentic desires and well being.

That last video shows the truth of our reality but demonstrated on a physical level. One observes those behaviors in most of the population anywhere you go, look, or observe at on an emotional and mental level.

People who constantly troll and provoke various emotional reactions from others. People who feed on others.

Other's who snap, bite and lash out when others come to close to their parasites. Or topics or subjects that touch on or surround abating the parasite; they go into reactive state. In the alternative spirituality realms and without out. Just because we've been given new ideas doesn't mean we've progressed beyond the parasitical. Learning tarot and being an medium doesn't protect us from the parasite. These have nothing to do with whole or un-dis-eased self.

People who need to cover up, erase, kill anything that poses a threat to their parasite.

Hosts simply are defensive fortresses for the parasite. Nor can you get behind the parasite to communicate to the wholer person and speak to them as if they were whole people. They don't want it. It seems to me that at one time you could do that but no longer. At least not very often. By observation it seem those people who can get out from under this infection have already done so or retain enough of themselves to do so. Like a line has been drawn in the sand. And those sorts of people will have very little appeal for the zombies because they aren't safety makers for the parasite. Their own immunity keeps them safe. They don't have to 'do' anything. They leave a bad taste in the mouth of the person slowly becoming de-humanized

The very subtle de-humanization of people or trans-humanism is well under way. Via the wetiko. Not a future event it's here now.

So that leads to the question of the fabled mass population kill off. 3/4's of the world's population taken out. Who though? The parasitical zombie people? Or the smaller group of wholer people. The numbers will tell you its parasitical people. It is through the virus itself people will be taken out. Those who have gotten out from under it, there's really no way to affect them. Even just leaving it up to nature will have the same effect.

The physical portion of the body the wetiko claims dominion over is the hypothalmus gland. Which controls everything. Metabolism, emotional chemical carriers, appetite. So a future scenario where the body is actually altered is not as improbable as it might seem.

[TargeT]

And wow, check this one out, seems they've made a 'zombie apocalypse' video game for the Playstation 3 that is based on the cordyceps-fungus-spore-parasite-mind-control-phenomena described in ponda's post and the two vids above... now that's just freaky!!

VKaX7GQyWm0

Hope this doesn't give the 'elite' any funny ideas!! lol


with the amount of zombie films recently & now this; it matches the "public disclosure" MO; hopefully there's not an engineered fungus in our future... but I wouldn't be overly supprised.

hopefully it's just a metaphor as mitsvah is elluding to; but even then it shows how badly things have gotten for us.

[Sebastion]

Thank you for this post Mitzvah. After reading it and seeing what you have pointed out, I can see it in greater depth. This wetico/their mind stuff is some serious business and the implications are staggering in magnitude.......



Interesting observation . That is how we learn about the parasitical, by observation. The participant or host hasn't a clue. Nor can they observe the parasite at work in themselves or others.

South America, in general, is where the unsafe urge the other unsafe to flee to for future safety. Late for that now. As long as someone is being an obliging host to the collective parasitical hive mind there is no place in the world that will be safe. One is then urged to keep the parasite safe without much regard to one's own authentic desires and well being.

That last video shows the truth of our reality but demonstrated on a physical level. One observes those behaviors in most of the population anywhere you go, look, or observe at on an emotional and mental level.

People who constantly troll and provoke various emotional reactions from others. People who feed on others.

Other's who snap, bite and lash out when others come to close to their parasites. Or topics or subjects that touch on or surround abating the parasite; they go into reactive state. In the alternative spirituality realms and without out. Just because we've been given new ideas doesn't mean we've progressed beyond the parasitical. Learning tarot and being an medium doesn't protect us from the parasite. These have nothing to do with whole or un-dis-eased self.

People who need to cover up, erase, kill anything that poses a threat to their parasite.

Hosts simply are defensive fortresses for the parasite. Nor can you get behind the parasite to communicate to the wholer person and speak to them as if they were whole people. They don't want it. It seems to me that at one time you could do that but no longer. At least not very often. By observation it seem those people who can get out from under this infection have already done so or retain enough of themselves to do so. Like a line has been drawn in the sand. And those sorts of people will have very little appeal for the zombies because they aren't safety makers for the parasite. Their own immunity keeps them safe. They don't have to 'do' anything. They leave a bad taste in the mouth of the person slowly becoming de-humanized

The very subtle de-humanization of people or trans-humanism is well under way. Via the wetiko. Not a future event it's here now.

So that leads to the question of the fabled mass population kill off. 3/4's of the world's population taken out. Who though? The parasitical zombie people? Or the smaller group of wholer people. The numbers will tell you its parasitical people. It is through the virus itself people will be taken out. Those who have gotten out from under it, there's really no way to affect them. Even just leaving it up to nature will have the same effect.

The physical portion of the body the wetiko claims dominion over is the hypothalmus gland. Which controls everything. Metabolism, emotional chemical carriers, appetite. So a future scenario where the body is actually altered is not as improbable as it might seem.

[Sgt-Bones]

And wow, check this one out, seems they've made a 'zombie apocalypse' video game for the Playstation 3 that is based on the cordyceps-fungus-spore-parasite-mind-control-phenomena described in ponda's post and the two vids above... now that's just freaky!!

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Hope this doesn't give the 'elite' any funny ideas!! lol


with the amount of zombie films recently & now this; it matches the "public disclosure" MO; hopefully there's not an engineered fungus in our future... but I wouldn't be overly supprised.

hopefully it's just a metaphor as mitsvah is elluding to; but even then it shows how badly things have gotten for us.

Based on personal observations, I would say a good portion of the population are quite zombie-like already ;)

When you think about it, how many people out there are spending 8 hours a day performing some monotonous repetitive job they can't stand, followed by 4+ hours a night of watching mind-numbing television programming, then sitting around on the couch all weekend drinking beer and watching sport, only to follow it up with more of the same routine the following week, and the next, and the next, and the......

Seems to me like quite a few of them are pretty much well on their way to full blown zombie-dom. lol

We probably all know (or at least know of) people who currently lead this kind of life... do you think these people are truly operating under their own volition or that this comes naturally for them?

Does it seem logical that people would choose to lead that kind of existence?

Or, do you think it's possible that "something" other than their own mind might be controlling/manipulating/influencing them to behave that way and to accept that as being a reasonable way to live out their lives?

I personally don't think human beings are naturally lazy, unimaginative, unintelligent, uninspired beings... nope, I think we are being programmed and conditioned to act this way even though it goes completely against our natural desires and tendencies.

One thing is for certain, as it stands currently... we are a broken people.

I don't think we can afford to overlook or disregard the possibility that an outside influence of some kind is playing a part here.

[Mark]

Sounds to me like you know a thing or two about going toe-to-toe with wetiko (or whatever we're calling it now lol).

Care to tell us a little about your experiences?

You already know my experiences. Because they are your experiences. They are everyone's experiences. The greatest mistake of the semi-aware who come across this knowledge is to think they are exempt. That they have conquered the Foreign Installation. The Wetico. They do not see it's expression in their every sentence. In their every use of the words "I", or "me", the expression of desire, of preference.

That is because they see it as themselves. They claim the false personality, which is actually the Wetico claiming itself, straddling the back of the individual looking at itself through the Other and laughing as it mimics communication by engaging in conversation with itself.

All the while, the real self is contained, stifled, repressed, back beyond even the dark corners of the mind, still and observing and waiting for the spark of consciousness to reveal its presence.


No problem if you'd rather not btw... just thought I'd ask :)

I appreciate your enthusiasm, as do others. There are some who have entered your thread here to engage you and to forward the cause dutifully because it is something real. Something important. But many of us have been round and round this topic forwards and backwards and upside-down here at PA. We know where it will eventually and perhaps invariably go, despite the best intentions of the OP or the participants.

But it is a record for posterity, writ large upon the fabric of creation and, therefore, worthwhile.

So I am placing my stamp Here and Now as a statement of purpose and intent.


I know from my own personal experience that when a person starts delving into the realms of the shadow-self things can (and often do) have a tendency to get a little "hectic" in their day-to-day life... this is typically the result of inner turmoil being reflected/projected into the physical/material world as the person wrangles with certain aspects of their shadow-self.

But, what I have also found is that these periods of chaos/turmoil tend to be short-lived and when things do finally settle down the person is left feeling much stronger, clearer, and better off for it in the end.

An illusion. Wetiko does not give up.

Not until clarity of mind and stillness are achieved. Total control.

Wetiko is whispering, has figured out a new modus operandi and direction of attack, lulling you into quietude and renewed slavery thinking you've won.

Do not believe the hype but stay vigilent and aware of egoic weaknesses.


As you eluded to in your post, however, doing this kind of work is certainly not for the feint of heart... but the resulting pay-offs can be extremely rewarding and liberating if a person is truly willing to grind it out and allow things to unfold as required while they go through the clearing process.

Again, brave and beautiful words. But false. There is a reason why every souled tradition in creation spoke on the existence of the predator. That is because it is here. We are its food. They all gave us warnings that were designed to inform us about its existence and to lay out the pathway to its defeat. But this pathway is the path of spiritual enlightenment which is a singular and individual path.

Until the point where we achieve total control of the mind, we are controlled by Wetiko. Even for those who have achieved a certain ability to achieve mental stability through mind control practices such as meditation, which can leave the Wetiko starving for sustenance and cause it to flee the body for a while, it will return.

Until the highest form of clarity can be achieved. At that point it leaves for good.


Once you see wetiko mind you can't stop unseeing it.

Hi Mitzva. Long time no read and much love, sistren, to you and yours.

The trick is in really seeing it. Not just writing about what others have said about it and thinking that you now know what it is. Seeing it in yourself. Not looking at your behavior and saying, 'Ah, that's Wetiko." Not looking at your petty thoughts and saying, "Ah, that's Wetiko." Even though both are examples of Wetiko in action.

You have to see it. Within you. Its consciousness. Alien and apart, yet totally and completely familiar with every, single facet of your personality matrix. Because it is really its personality.

The susceptibility to Wetiko dissembling and distraction are virtually limitless. Constant awareness is not a habit for the vast majority and dealing with this is by far the greatest barrier to human collective evolution.


Rahkyt is a good example. He expresses a great understanding of wetiko but still has an obvious optimism, the higher vision. That's just observation. Just obvious.

You are kind, sistren. And, of course, this statement of your emotional expression is me observing the traditional niceties that comprise societal and institutional mores, and engaging in a manner that prods Wetiko and invites a similarly emotional response. A Wetiko response that creates energetic food, if employed unmindfully. Within a Wetiko structure. Language is a Wetiko structure. Honing thoughts and emotions into very specific forms that funnel Loosh through channels aeons in the making, processing and redistributing the energy for consumption at higher dimensional levels. As Above, So Below. We are bound in every way.

The only way out is total Freedom.

[Sgt-Bones]

Here's another video with Paul Levy talking about wetiko.

I only just came across it today and quickly realised it's one of the best wetiko-related interviews I've seen.

Witley Streiber's 'Dreamland' Radio Show: Evil - It Can Be Defeated!!
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[Sgt-Bones]

Sounds to me like you know a thing or two about going toe-to-toe with wetiko (or whatever we're calling it now lol).

Care to tell us a little about your experiences?

You already know my experiences. Because they are your experiences. They are everyone's experiences. The greatest mistake of the semi-aware who come across this knowledge is to think they are exempt. That they have conquered the Foreign Installation. The Wetico. They do not see it's expression in their every sentence. In their every use of the words "I", or "me", the expression of desire, of preference.

That is because they see it as themselves. They claim the false personality, which is actually the Wetico claiming itself, straddling the back of the individual looking at itself through the Other and laughing as it mimics communication by engaging in conversation with itself.

All the while, the real self is contained, stifled, repressed, back beyond even the dark corners of the mind, still and observing and waiting for the spark of consciousness to reveal its presence.


No problem if you'd rather not btw... just thought I'd ask :)

I appreciate your enthusiasm, as do others. There are some who have entered your thread here to engage you and to forward the cause dutifully because it is something real. Something important. But many of us have been round and round this topic forwards and backwards and upside-down here at PA. We know where it will eventually and perhaps invariably go, despite the best intentions of the OP or the participants.

But it is a record for posterity, writ large upon the fabric of creation and, therefore, worthwhile.

So I am placing my stamp Here and Now as a statement of purpose and intent.


I know from my own personal experience that when a person starts delving into the realms of the shadow-self things can (and often do) have a tendency to get a little "hectic" in their day-to-day life... this is typically the result of inner turmoil being reflected/projected into the physical/material world as the person wrangles with certain aspects of their shadow-self.

But, what I have also found is that these periods of chaos/turmoil tend to be short-lived and when things do finally settle down the person is left feeling much stronger, clearer, and better off for it in the end.

An illusion. Wetiko does not give up.

Not until clarity of mind and stillness are achieved. Total control.

Wetiko is whispering, has figured out a new modus operandi and direction of attack, lulling you into quietude and renewed slavery thinking you've won.

Do not believe the hype but stay vigilent and aware of egoic weaknesses.


As you eluded to in your post, however, doing this kind of work is certainly not for the feint of heart... but the resulting pay-offs can be extremely rewarding and liberating if a person is truly willing to grind it out and allow things to unfold as required while they go through the clearing process.

Again, brave and beautiful words. But false. There is a reason why every souled tradition in creation spoke on the existence of the predator. That is because it is here. We are its food. They all gave us warnings that were designed to inform us about its existence and to lay out the pathway to its defeat. But this pathway is the path of spiritual enlightenment which is a singular and individual path.

Until the point where we achieve total control of the mind, we are controlled by Wetiko. Even for those who have achieved a certain ability to achieve mental stability through mind control practices such as meditation, which can leave the Wetiko starving for sustenance and cause it to flee the body for a while, it will return.

Until the highest form of clarity can be achieved. At that point it leaves for good.


Once you see wetiko mind you can't stop unseeing it.

Hi Mitzva. Long time no read and much love, sistren, to you and yours.

The trick is in really seeing it. Not just writing about what others have said about it and thinking that you now know what it is. Seeing it in yourself. Not looking at your behavior and saying, 'Ah, that's Wetiko." Not looking at your petty thoughts and saying, "Ah, that's Wetiko." Even though both are examples of Wetiko in action.

You have to see it. Within you. Its consciousness. Alien and apart, yet totally and completely familiar with every, single facet of your personality matrix. Because it is really its personality.

The susceptibility to Wetiko dissembling and distraction are virtually limitless. Constant awareness is not a habit for the vast majority and dealing with this is by far the greatest barrier to human collective evolution.


Rahkyt is a good example. He expresses a great understanding of wetiko but still has an obvious optimism, the higher vision. That's just observation. Just obvious.

You are kind, sistren. And, of course, this statement of your emotional expression is me observing the traditional niceties that comprise societal and institutional mores, and engaging in a manner that prods Wetiko and invites a similarly emotional response. A Wetiko response that creates energetic food, if employed unmindfully. Within a Wetiko structure. Language is a Wetiko structure. Honing thoughts and emotions into very specific forms that funnel Loosh through channels aeons in the making, processing and redistributing the energy for consumption at higher dimensional levels. As Above, So Below. We are bound in every way.

The only way out is total Freedom.

Hi Rahkyt,

An excellent post from you, thanks so much for taking the time brother, I appreciated it greatly :)

Of course, you are absolutely correct on all points... precisely so in fact.

I have nothing further to add, except to say that it was refreshingly authentic and honest... thank you for making your voice heard.

[Fractalius]

Interesting thread, thanks. Ironically I have started a thread based on some of the factors based around misdirected self help courses or the like, just today, and so far the reaction seems to relate very much to the subject spoken of here!

[Mark]

I have nothing further to add, except to say that it was refreshingly authentic and honest... thank you for making your voice heard.

A bit more for consideration. Vivek's threads, The Mechanics of the Matrix (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48863-The-Mechanics-of-the-Matrix) and The Technological Revolution: Artificial Intelligence and the Invisible Plague (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague) will be of use to those new to this material in gaining an understanding of the pervasive nature of the Wetiko/Archon/Foreign Installation.

It is a system. Conscious and inorganic, purposeful and yet not intentional, that is implicit in the very design of every institution and social structure present in the world and beyond. The pyramidal and hierarchical form of control is intimately Wetiko-based.

Here are a few excerpted thoughts and ideas that I shared in Chelley's Their Mind and the Emotional Matrix that we create with it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.) thread. It is a bit lengthy but encompasses my thoughts on a potential Wetiko multidimensional structure, energetic redistribution and order of operations:


The characteristics of "hive minds" include divisions of labor. As with ants and bees, different individual instances of the overall biological occurrence of these species comply with certain "jobs" and "purposes". There are worker bees, nectar foragers, guards, undertakers, etc. Ants have similar divisions. Animals and OPs also display social structures that comply with these rules as divisions of labor are apparently ubiquitous across the spectrum of life.

At the level of multi/ultra-dimensional consciousness, it is generally accepted that soul groups and collectives exist as well, which may include angelic and demonic hierarchies, soul families, higher self fractalization into materiality and names of God. Which sets the background for our topic, the foreign installation.

According to Casteneda/Don Juan, the flyers are individualized, in that there is not just one big amoeba blob of them engulfing the Earth, there are a lot of smaller blobs of various sizes, flying and jumping around everywhere. In one scene, Carlos is sitting in the dark and he sees them and hears them flitting about him. Don Juan explains that they are shadow-like, seen out of the corner of the eyes, which complies with the understanding that vision that occurs at a 90 degree angle is other-dimensional in nature.

Don Juan states that they have been around since the beginning of the Solar System. Other sources say that they have been around since the beginning of this universe and originate in a previous universe. The Gnostics say that they are a consciousness created by Sophia's descent into materiality - which probably corresponds to at least galactic creation and maybe universal - and her manifestation as Gaia/Earth. That they lack "true life" and the connection to Source that living things possess, and are inorganic in nature, like viruses, on the cusp between life and non-life. That our "glowing coats of awareness", our auras/energy fields, are the primary source of their envy and desire to co-opt us mentally and spiritually in order to consume that which they do not possess. Essentially, they are Predators and we are their prey.

The Archontic hierarchy must comply with natural law as it is expressed on Earth and as we understand it through our observations of the physical world and the nature of consciousness. Within that hierarchy, there must be a division of labor. The collectivity of their consciousness necessitates a continuous connection between them at all levels of the hierarchy simultaneously. Examples from sci-fi that everyone is familiar with might be the Borg, the Body Snatchers, the Tommy Knockers, etc, etc, ad infinitum. The unconscious recognition of this Enemy consciousness formation is rife throughout popular culture and world mythology.

I've read nothing directly that has ever documented or explored the exact nature of Archonic consciousness or the division of labor. But, according to our shared understanding of the control matrix and what we can glean from the natural world and our ruminations on what the parameters of the multi-dimensional plane of perspective the Archons inhabit are, their division of labor must account for all of the various tasks and jobs necessary to maintain the system through a continuous, interactive and dynamic form of hierarchy very similar to the command and control networks that our lives within a similar system have made us very familiar with. Be that hierarchy military, corporate or social in nature.

At its simplest formulations, the individual instances of Archonic consciousness must be the Flyers. They inhabit the lived environment, attaching and detaching according to need. They feed off of each of us individually as they are able, keeping some for themselves and funneling the rest upwards through the hierarchy. The energy of this level seems to be male.

At the next level, could be the Aggregators. Those that maintain disparate fields of Archonic activity, to include instances of collective human energy collection, like the Military, the Corporation, Nations, Racial and Ethnic Groups, Social Organizations, each of the different formal Religions, or Institutions in general. The energy of this level seems to be female.

Above that level, must exist a Command Structure. That command structure oversees the redeployment of loosh from disparate energy collections, in order to maintain balance and energy conservation. The energy of this level seems to be male.

Then there must be a Queen. The feminine is the source of creative potentiality, birth. From her, new Archonic instances are born. From her, the directives regarding energy conservation and deployment are taken.

The instantaneous communication between Archonic instances, Aggregators, the Command Structure and the Queen must display characteristics of quantum entanglement.

We might further characterize it as telepathy, but - from our illusory individualized perspectives - it is more an example of one body split into many different instances with the ability to communicate instantly with other parts of that body. According to quantum biology, our bodies do exactly that. All of the systems of our bodies communicate instantaneously and carry out the many disparate and interlocking functions that keep us running without conscious thought. They engage at the speed of thought without us having to consciously attune the body parts and systems necessary to carry out actions. If I think, move my finger, my finger moves. If I think, go from here to there, all of the systems in my body instantly begin the complicated calculations and movements necessary to complete the command. As Bob said, our thoughts are not even in our bodies, consciousness seems to form a field surrounding the body, which is a lower, material machine designed to manifest the directives of our thoughts.

I see the Archonic hierarchy interacting similarly. As a single body. The Aggregators, in this instance, might be related to the autonomic nervous system, which regulates energy expenditure in the body, directs unconscious functions and makes sure all of the working parts have what they need in order to function. That stated very generally.

The "energy collectives" are our social systems. The Aggregators control the flow of energy from these greater systems and regulate that flow between other systems that must exist in order to maintain their "body". These collectives are voluminous and include every aspect of social energetic production that you can think of. To look at one subset we've discussed previously, within the area of "fear production" there must be a collection pertaining to racism. Energy collectives within that sub-structure must include a primary group which is the control group and producer of that particular type of energy. Perhaps it can be called a product-collective. In the case of xenophobia and the institutional structure of the Global White Supremacy System (GWSS), that group might be white people. That fear production is further classified by causative sources, or source-collectives, which might be yellow, red, brown, black or any combination of the above. Each source-collective produces a certain amount of fear within the producer group the energy of which is funneled through individuals and the flyers assigned to them into the greater collection structure as managed by the Aggregators.

As you can see, there are a large number of potential energy collectives possible. All interacting, all managed and regulated. That regulation must include signifiers and initiatives within the Archonic body that result in the infusion of certain types of discursive thoughts within targeted collectives. Sexual purity, material competition, resource competition are some general possibilities. It is an interactive matrix whereby they input directives which funnel back down through Archonic instances, flyers, into the minds of individuals, who then affect the energy output of the collective. Make sense?

The intricacy of the system is mind-boggling. I doubt we can conceive of it fully under the constraints of 3-dimensional thinking. But perhaps these ruminations relate somewhat to what is truly going on.

[Delight]

Whatever evil is projected is a portal to become aware of our own darkness.
Paul Levy expresses that in knowing the "inner is the outer", wetiko can be an ally.
He says it can be a blessing if allowed to bring out what it shows. The "revealed" behind the shadow is the real and magnificent nature of humans.

If wetiko is responsible for hatred, what feels stronger than fear?
Wouldn't fearful people "feel better" by hating the "enemy" and attempt to destroy evil. If we identify the evil is not our split off selves but what would prevent us from LOVING those split offs (that we "learned" are awful and too wrong to accept), to me that is the REvEAlation. Can we choose to deliberately choose love?

The bedrock of "safety" is by willing to ask for help from that larger aspects of SELF. One cannot attack and be spared the blowback. It is a side step to dissolve the parasite. If you send a direct charge, that feeds the evil. We are dealing with energy and that is why people have to choose what energy we will be willing to hold.

Feeling already in love; fully whole in devotion to all we love and acting that out is the symptom of being immune.
By focusing on all we cannot love, by being outside of love, we are very vulnerable.
Have compassion for wetiko...it won't like it at all.

SHADOW PROJECTION IS ITS OWN MEDICINE
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/shadow-projection-is-its-own-medicine/


We are so accustomed to the linear, causal, temporal and mechanistic view of classical physics that we are not trained to recognize a process that is atemporal (exists outside of time), synchronistic, and circular (instead of linear). The old paradigm view of classical physics views the billiard ball-like interactions of what it imagines to be separately existing parts, whereas quantum physics is articulating a higher-dimensional universe which is seamlessly whole, which is to say that it is impossible to separate it from itself. When we develop a more holistic view, we step out of viewing our universe through a lens where we exist separate from each other, and, on the contrary, recognize that we are related to each other. Re-cognizing that we are all appendages of a greater “body” that contains us and of which we are expressions, we realize that there is a deeper process that is collectively animating us so as to make itself known to us. Developing a more holistic view in which we recognize the deeper, underlying formative template which is in-forming and giving shape to events in our world through us is the very expansion of consciousness which empowers us to engage with events in our world so as to transform them. This deeper underlying process originates and is to be found in the unconscious psyche of humanity.

Through our compulsion to mutually project the shadow onto each other, a darker archetypal power that exists deep inside of everyone is seizing us in its iron grip and giving shape and form to itself through our unconscious inter-action. A deeper, up-till-now hidden shadow is materializing itself and making itself visible through our interplay. Subsumed into this more powerful archetypal process, both Israel and its enemies have become “drafted into the service” of unconsciously acting out and incarnating onto the world stage the darkness that exists deep in the soul of humanity.

By projecting out our shadow, we will be assured to meet the darker part of ourselves as it gets “dreamed up” in the outside world. The unconscious, dis-associated part of ourselves always gets projected outside of ourselves and “dreamed up” into materialization in the environment. Jung commented, “It is therefore not surprising if the unconscious appears in projected and symbolized form, as there is no other way by which it might be perceived.”[vii]

Just like in a dream, the unconscious approaches us from outside of ourselves, as what we project out always gets dreamed up in an objectified, personified and solid-seeming form, appearing to be separate from ourselves. When we project the shadow, we have so split off from the dark part of ourselves that the carrier of our projection will convincingly appear to exist in the form of an “other.” If Israel and its adversaries are dissociated from their own evil, we can be sure that the other is embodying it for them. Just like in a dream, when we split off from and project out our own darkness, this waking universe will supply all the convincing evidence we need to justify our shadow projection, endlessly feeding the self-regenerating feedback loop which we have fallen into. When we fall prey to the seductive power of shadow projection, we have become entranced by our innate power of co-creators/co-dreamers of reality in a way that not only doesn’t serve us, but is (potentially) destroying us.

Shadow projection is the circuitous route by which we dream up into materialization our unconscious, darker half so as to (potentially) recognize it and integrate it as a part of ourselves. In the co-related interaction between the two polarized-parties of shadow projector/recipient, a core psychological process that exists within each and every one of us is symbolically being revealed to us. Both Israel and its adversaries are playing out, in full-bodied form, a dynamic that exists deep within the collective unconscious of humanity, as if they have been dreamed up into materialization to reveal to us this unconscious part of ourselves. Recognizing this initiates the process of integrating this heretofore unconscious dynamic in ourselves. It is only when we project out, dream up and objectify a content of the unconscious do we begin to “see” it and become conscious of it, which is the very act which initiates its integration.

This is even a better interview I think...it brings more out about the healing

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[nomadguy]

Small addage, that video game mentioned in an earlier post is actually completely misleading. Not that games are in any way informing however the Cordyceps has been used in chinese medicine and as a herbal remedy it stimulates the immune function. -
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-602-CORDYCEPS.aspx?activeIngredientId=602&activeIngredientName=CORDYCEPS
"Cordyceps is used to treat coughs, chronic bronchitis, respiratory disorders, kidney disorders, nighttime urination, male sexual problems, anemia, irregular heartbeat, high cholesterol, liver disorders, dizziness, weakness, ringing in the ears, unwanted weight loss, and opiumaddiction.

It is also used for strengthening the immune system, improving athletic performance, reducing the effects of aging, promoting longer life, and improving liver function in people with hepatitis B.

Some people use cordyceps as a stimulant, a tonic, and an “adaptogen,” which is used to increase energy, enhance stamina, and reduce fatigue."

Moving on ~ Great thread here!, I feel this is important information.
I have met people in the last few years who appeared to be completely 'vacant'. They looked like the person I knew, but it was as if that person was gone. Even their memory seemed to function quite poorly. In one instance I had attempted to help one person with a lifestyle issue that involved ethics and self destructive habits. They immediately became divisive and began to become passive-aggressive and behaved like an enemy.
It was a truly strange thing to observe. I was in disbelief for some time about it. Ironically I had equated this behavior as parasitic. And came to the idea that some people have a sort of mind parasite. And this parasite was energetic and not so much physical. I did not know of this study my Paul Levy at the time. This was an idea I came to through observation.

End note:
I too had almost succumb to it as well. If I had taken the path of anger, or vengeful intention. I most surely would have been consumed by this sort of consuming force or invisible energy. Instead I decided to take the high road and began to focus on my own behavior. In hind sight, I was much closer to ruin that I knew.

[Sgt-Bones]

Small addage, that video game mentioned in an earlier post is actually completely misleading. Not that games are in any way informing however the Cordyceps has been used in chinese medicine and as a herbal remedy it stimulates the immune function. -
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-602-CORDYCEPS.aspx?activeIngredientId=602&activeIngredientName=CORDYCEPS
"Cordyceps is used to treat coughs, chronic bronchitis, respiratory disorders, kidney disorders, nighttime urination, male sexual problems, anemia, irregular heartbeat, high cholesterol, liver disorders, dizziness, weakness, ringing in the ears, unwanted weight loss, and opiumaddiction.

It is also used for strengthening the immune system, improving athletic performance, reducing the effects of aging, promoting longer life, and improving liver function in people with hepatitis B.

Some people use cordyceps as a stimulant, a tonic, and an “adaptogen,” which is used to increase energy, enhance stamina, and reduce fatigue."

Hi nomadguy,

Yeah, I've been using cordyceps (on a daily basis) for a little over 3 months now and the effects have been quite remarkable.

Since I started taking it I've noticed a variety of health benefits/improvements:

- significant boost in energy levels
- considerable increase in lung function/capacity
- dramatic improvement to circulation
- immune system boosted (just got through the Aussie cold/flu season with barely a sniffle)
- improved sleep (wake up feeling refreshed and energised instead of tired and sluggish)
- overall sense of well-being greatly enhanced

So, yes, as far as I'm concerned cordyceps is a wonderful medicinal herb which can be used to greatly improve overall health and wellness.

Apologies for the reference in that video about the game btw. It certainly did shed a misleadingly negative light on cordyceps... and that really was not my intention.

In any case, while I'm addressing this subject I may as well mention that I've also been taking reishi mushroom and using the two in tandem with one another. Seems they make for a wonderfully powerful and effective health-enhancing combo... one that I fully intend to continue utilising.

Additionally, if anyone here is looking for a high quality source of cordyceps and/or reishi at very affordable prices I highly recommend the products being produced by Aloha Medicinals...

Cordyceps link: http://www.alohamedicinals.com/cordyceps.html#.Udfzw5N-9FY
Reishi link: http://www.alohamedicinals.com/reishi-compare.htm#.Udf0L5N-8fg

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Okay, now :focus:

[Freed Fox]

Here are some excerpts from the Witley Streiber interview which Sgt-Bones shared in post #39. For those who have yet to listen, or if nothing else to reinforce concepts already touched upon perhaps in more simplistic brevity. Below are quotes from Mr. Levy, with my own interjection/clarification in bold:


Wetiko co-opts the intrinsic (creative) genius we have, and turns it against us. The thing which is really challenging; the instrument with which we are investigating the nature of wetiko, is the very channel through which wetiko is operating (the mind - or intellect - of the individual).

Even the mention of the word 'evil' can trigger so many people, and that’s interesting. I actually wonder; what’s that showing us? So I make the point that it’s a big mistake - some really well intentioned, spiritual people who say, “Oh, I don’t want to put any attention on evil, I don’t want to talk about it, I don’t want to think about it…” – they’re unwittingly becoming a conduit of evil through their avoidance. The evil of wetiko actually feeds off of our turning away from it, off of our awareness. But when we become too fascinated with it, then we’re also feeding it. There’s this third option in which we see how evil actually operates, then we can choose to say, “I want to invest my attention in creating the world I want to live in."

If we're trying to fight evil, we've already lost.

The real way to vanquish wetiko is to get in touch with the part of us which is invulnerable to its effects (The continuous cultivation of compassion).

[ponda]

Whatever evil is projected is a portal to become aware of our own darkness.
Paul Levy expresses that in knowing the "inner is the outer", wetiko can be an ally.
He says it can be a blessing if allowed to bring out what it shows. The "revealed" behind the shadow is the real and magnificent nature of humans.

If wetiko is responsible for hatred, what feels stronger than fear?
Wouldn't fearful people "feel better" by hating the "enemy" and attempt to destroy evil. If we identify the evil is not our split off selves but what would prevent us from LOVING those split offs (that we "learned" are awful and too wrong to accept), to me that is the REvEAlation. Can we choose to deliberately choose love?

The bedrock of "safety" is by willing to ask for help from that larger aspects of SELF. One cannot attack and be spared the blowback. It is a side step to dissolve the parasite. If you send a direct charge, that feeds the evil. We are dealing with energy and that is why people have to choose what energy we will be willing to hold.

Feeling already in love; fully whole in devotion to all we love and acting that out is the symptom of being immune.
By focusing on all we cannot love, by being outside of love, we are very vulnerable.
Have compassion for wetiko...it won't like it at all.

SHADOW PROJECTION IS ITS OWN MEDICINE
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/shadow-projection-is-its-own-medicine/


We are so accustomed to the linear, causal, temporal and mechanistic view of classical physics that we are not trained to recognize a process that is atemporal (exists outside of time), synchronistic, and circular (instead of linear). The old paradigm view of classical physics views the billiard ball-like interactions of what it imagines to be separately existing parts, whereas quantum physics is articulating a higher-dimensional universe which is seamlessly whole, which is to say that it is impossible to separate it from itself. When we develop a more holistic view, we step out of viewing our universe through a lens where we exist separate from each other, and, on the contrary, recognize that we are related to each other. Re-cognizing that we are all appendages of a greater “body” that contains us and of which we are expressions, we realize that there is a deeper process that is collectively animating us so as to make itself known to us. Developing a more holistic view in which we recognize the deeper, underlying formative template which is in-forming and giving shape to events in our world through us is the very expansion of consciousness which empowers us to engage with events in our world so as to transform them. This deeper underlying process originates and is to be found in the unconscious psyche of humanity.

Through our compulsion to mutually project the shadow onto each other, a darker archetypal power that exists deep inside of everyone is seizing us in its iron grip and giving shape and form to itself through our unconscious inter-action. A deeper, up-till-now hidden shadow is materializing itself and making itself visible through our interplay. Subsumed into this more powerful archetypal process, both Israel and its enemies have become “drafted into the service” of unconsciously acting out and incarnating onto the world stage the darkness that exists deep in the soul of humanity.

By projecting out our shadow, we will be assured to meet the darker part of ourselves as it gets “dreamed up” in the outside world. The unconscious, dis-associated part of ourselves always gets projected outside of ourselves and “dreamed up” into materialization in the environment. Jung commented, “It is therefore not surprising if the unconscious appears in projected and symbolized form, as there is no other way by which it might be perceived.”[vii]

Just like in a dream, the unconscious approaches us from outside of ourselves, as what we project out always gets dreamed up in an objectified, personified and solid-seeming form, appearing to be separate from ourselves. When we project the shadow, we have so split off from the dark part of ourselves that the carrier of our projection will convincingly appear to exist in the form of an “other.” If Israel and its adversaries are dissociated from their own evil, we can be sure that the other is embodying it for them. Just like in a dream, when we split off from and project out our own darkness, this waking universe will supply all the convincing evidence we need to justify our shadow projection, endlessly feeding the self-regenerating feedback loop which we have fallen into. When we fall prey to the seductive power of shadow projection, we have become entranced by our innate power of co-creators/co-dreamers of reality in a way that not only doesn’t serve us, but is (potentially) destroying us.

Shadow projection is the circuitous route by which we dream up into materialization our unconscious, darker half so as to (potentially) recognize it and integrate it as a part of ourselves. In the co-related interaction between the two polarized-parties of shadow projector/recipient, a core psychological process that exists within each and every one of us is symbolically being revealed to us. Both Israel and its adversaries are playing out, in full-bodied form, a dynamic that exists deep within the collective unconscious of humanity, as if they have been dreamed up into materialization to reveal to us this unconscious part of ourselves. Recognizing this initiates the process of integrating this heretofore unconscious dynamic in ourselves. It is only when we project out, dream up and objectify a content of the unconscious do we begin to “see” it and become conscious of it, which is the very act which initiates its integration.

This is even a better interview I think...it brings more out about the healing

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Interesting perspective from Paul Levy and thanks for posting it Delight.

Another perspective might be that we are influenced internally via the mind by an external influence/presence/entity/technology etc.It might appear that we are showing our dark side but in fact we might only be avatars for this subtle negative influence.

The researchers stated how complex the parasite was that influenced the ants, so how complex might a global human mind parasite be ? One that has been watching/influencing humans here for a very long time.It sure is an interesting topic.

One of the best defenses against this influence might just be to be aware of the possibility of it existing in and through our minds/thoughts/actions etc.

cheers

[TargeT]

Another good interview of Paul Levy from June 2012, it goes into a bit more depth but mostly just expands on the same topic.

There's alot more coverage on shadow projection and wetiko identification
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[Unicorn]

I would like to add to this thread the following article on wetikonomy, also by Paul Levy. We are already familiar with this state of affairs, but he exposes it brilliantly. A must read-and-spread, IMO.

Seen as a symbolic entity, the global financial system is the revelation of wetiko disease displayed graphically and schematically in its architecture, operations and overall design, so that anyone with a trained eye can discern the telltale signs and spore prints of this maleficent psycho-pathology getting down to business. The global economy (which can appropriately be referred to as the ‘wetikonomy'), displays the fear-based, linear logic of wetiko disease as it reduces everything to the bottom line of dollars and cents. We are living inside of a horrifying, abstract economic structure that itself is a living symbol and re-presentation of the out-of-control insanity of the wetiko virus. The global financial system is one of the most rapid vectors and pathways through which the virus of wetiko is going pandemic in our world.

The economy as an entity is a projection of the collective human psyche, but particularly of the "Big Wetikos," who hold a disproportionate power in crafting its operating system and in running its day-to-day operations in the world. In the wetikonomy, money has become indispensable for our biological survival, as well as our psychological well being and need for social prestige. This results in the drive for acquiring money becoming hardwired into the most primal centers of our lower, animal nature. This can generate a dependency that can easily lead to a treadmill that spirals downwards towards degeneracy, a true ‘rat race' in which we become addicted to chasing after ‘the buck,' as we increasingly worship Mammon (the God of the love of money; Interestingly, the esteemed economist John Maynard Keynes considered the love of money a form of mental illness). Our need for money becomes the ‘hook' through which the Big Wetikos, who control the supply and value of money, can ‘yank our leash' and manipulate humanity. To say it differently, the economy is engineered by a few, the "Big Wetikos," who then utilize their creation to manipulate the collective human psyche and in so doing influence and warp it in a wetiko-like way.

Using the global financial and monetary system as our case study, we can see and understand how the wetiko virus operates in the psyche and in the world, which are both interactive and co-creative reflections of each other. The invention of money was a breakthrough in human affairs, an innovation in which real wealth is allowed to be symbolically re-presented by something else. Money is a construct, something made up, which adds convenience in the trading of goods and services that have value. The wetiko-created fiat money system, however, is the doorway through which a deviant distortion in this co-operative process of exchanging value amongst ourselves emerges. The wetikonomy's fiat-currency is not backed by real value, but rather, is a system in which, as if by magic, money is created out of thin air. Having fallen through the rabbit hole, we now live in a world where money materializes simply by decree (fiat) of an elite cabal of Big Wetikos, who can exchange the tokens of value they have conjured up for the time and natural resources of everyone else. The wetiko-economy is basically a legitimized counterfeiting operation. The Big Wetikos use their military and police state ‘enforcement' resources to ensure that others cannot accumulate and circulate capital outside of their system. As if that isn't bad enough, in a further diabolic sleight of hand, this virtual fiat currency, backed by nothing real and having no intrinsic value in and of itself, is then equated with debt, thus making it worse than nothing. This total inversion of our concept of value itself is a glaring symbol in our midst primal screaming that there is something terribly amiss with our financial system. There is indeed something wrong with a virtual, bubble economy that is decoupled from the real economy and is dictated and manipulated by the few at the expense of the many.

The over-leveraged wetiko economy is a ‘phantom menace,' in that there is hardly any real substantial value changing hands except in appearance. Unlike a real economy that is based on, backed by and generates genuine wealth, the wetikonomy, because it has no conventional solid, objective, substantial reality, has only a phantom-like, apparent existence. It is as if authors of a fantasy novel or a fairy tale are trying to ‘market' and ‘sell' their creation as nonfiction, and we, as consumers, are ‘buying' it, believing it to be true. Collectively pretending the fiction is real, we have forgotten that we are playing a mass game of ‘make believe.' The bubble economy of wetiko is a con-fidence game (a ‘con' game), a con-struct of our mind maintained in each moment by the belief that the system is real, solvent and legitimate.

A virtual, synthetic economy such as ours is a product cooked up by the fevered imagination of the wetiko financiers. Like a collective dream, or a mass spell, it is a concoction based upon mutually shared agreements among its participating members. The wetikonomy in which we live, unlike a free market economy, is subject to the intervention of and manipulation by the central bank, an entity which has interposed itself between us and the market. The agency of the central bank, in its attempts to interfere with and control a natural, self-regulating marketplace, is a living symbol of the wetiko pathogen and how it disrupts a living system.

Just as a vampire can't stand to be seen and thus avoids the light of day at all costs, as it is only able to operate by the deceptive cover of darkness, so the very nature of the institutions and operations by which the phantom wetikonomy functions must be kept hidden from the light of public awareness. The financial instruments of the wetikonomy are purposely crafted to be incredibly complex and hard to understand so as to hide and obfuscate the theft that is happening. Hiding the reality of what they are doing is one of the ‘chief features' of wetiko finance. Replacing transparency with opacity, it has become standard account-ing practice in the wetikonomy to ‘cook the books' so as to avoid being held account-able. If clearly illuminated and exposed to the light of collective disclosure and transparency, the shell-game and Ponzi scheme that IS the global financial system will be revealed to be the staggering and unlawful deception that it is. In a vast computerized web of electronic transfers and accounting shenanigans, the global economic system has become an insanely desperate pyramid scheme, a high-tech casino-like scam. A monstrous, planet-wide Madoff-like rip-off done with smoke and mirrors, the wetikonomy is like a massive optical illusion that is projected by the Big Wetikos, a cadre of master spell-casting wizards, who have nearly infinite resources at their disposal to make their illusion seem real. The wetikonomy, like apparitions of majestic castles in the sky, is a magical display that captivates and holds spell-bound the credulous, semi-conscious masses, who are more than willing, based on their childlike need to hope and believe in an authority outside of themselves, to give away their power so as to quell their fear. This is a regressed form of magical thinking writ large on the world stage.

At first glance, an optical illusion looks one way, but when we investigate further, we can see the illusion for what it really is. If this grand financial illusion were to be unmasked and collectively seen through, the underlying and pervasive ‘fraud as a business model' approach to running the global economy would reveal itself to be the spectral phantasm that it is. Once the seemingly rock-solid, concrete skyscrapers of the wetikonomy reveal themselves to be a stage set with nothing behind it, built on ever-shifting sand, it is not enough just to realize this and do nothing. It is then our responsibility to re-create and re-dream a different set of agreements regarding how to be in relationship with each other. This sets the stage to re-engineer the system of wetiko-ized control mechanisms that, through locked-in contractual relationships, freezes the economy in a corporate, and wetiko-ized trajectory. The power structure in a wetiko-ized society is inherently fiscal instead of political, which is why political change doesn't result in economic change. It is the banks that control the government, not the other way around. As our collective realization gathers momentum, however, such a process of waking up en masse could dissolve the wetikonomy to its empty core, bursting the bubble economy and collapsing the whole artificial edifice – the artifice – of fake finance, like the house of cards that it is. This realization lays the groundwork for a more enlightened financial and investment system grounded in real economics, a healthy environment and the cultivation of a humane human civilization.

The unsustainable illusion that is the wetikonomy, however, is based on and supported by violence or the threat of violence, from a personal level up to the capacity to collectively wage war, both visible and invisible. The ability and willingness to kill is not an illusion. This is why many people collude in supporting and perpetuating the illusion, for to not do so inevitably leads to some form of coercion, which is a subtle (or not so subtle) form of violence. In the highly uncivilized world of the wetikonomy, ‘might makes right.' The nature of the beast that we are dealing with needs to be factored into the equation of how we creatively and strategically respond.

The wetikonomy, to use journalist Matt Taibbi's infamous phrase describing the major global investment bank Goldman Sachs, is a "vampire squid" that is sucking, draining off and redistributing more and more wealth from the poor, and the formerly middle class, into the hands of the already unthinkably wealthy. This "great vampire squid," to quote Taibbi, is "wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money." Unlike a real economy that creates wealth, the vampire squid wetikonomy, a global, organized crime syndicate, extracts and extorts wealth from the real economy and from real people like you and me. There is an actual creature called Vampyroteuthis Infernalis, which literally translates as Vampire Squid from Hell, a living symbol and perfect description of wetikonomics.

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The Big Wetikos, are debt 'pushers,' in that they inject credit into the would-be victim, artificially enlarging, pumping up and ultimately poisoning the recipient. The more money owed the better, as the bigger the meal of debt off of which the predators will be able to cannibalistically feed. The bigger the debt, the deeper the pockets they can pick, and the more blood there is for the vampires to drink. They create VSID — ‘Vampire Squid Induced Debt,' whose victims become its slaves and indentured servants. As it says in Proverbs (22:7), "The borrower is servant to the lender." The modern-day, debt-based wetikonomy is designed to have an exponentially, ever-increasing debt that in principle can never be paid off, analogous to how in wetiko disease there exists an insatiable hunger that can never be satisfied. The economic system imposed on humanity by the rapacious Big Wetikos is a perversion of the original, wholesome meaning of the word ‘eco-nomy,' which has the same root as the word ‘eco-logy,' and refers to the harmonious management of a household. The wetikonomy, instead of creating value and wealth that can be shared by all, impoverishes and enslaves the vast majority of humanity while simultaneously enriching the Big Wetiko predators. Big Wetikos are the ‘anti-Robin Hoods,' as they rob from the poor to give to the rich (themselves). The Big Wetikos buy up all of the assets that have tangible, real world value, like land for example, in exchange for their made-up fiat currency. Once the exchange is made, and they are in possession of the stuff of real value, they then devalue and debase the currency, which becomes ‘worth less' as time passes. The people are left holding an empty bag, while the Big Wetikos are increasingly in possession of everything else of value. The Big Wetikos are financial terrorists, actively engaged in warfare against humanity, using weapons of financial mass destruction (WFMD's).

In a wetikonomy, a perverse synergy occurs in the revolving door between government and high finance. The political system becomes a front for and extension of the banks. The United States Treasury is bankrupt, which is to say that it is owned by the banks. Having the upper hand, an international clique of banking elites are the ones who give the orders and, appearances to the contrary, choose the politicians who will occupy the positions of power to do their bidding. This is clearly evidenced by President Obama stacking his cabinet with the very same people who created the economic crisis in the first place, all of whom have intimate insider connections with and allegiance to a corrupt cabal of high financiers.

In a wetikonomy such as ours, the Big Wetikos who create economic crises get rewarded for their actions, gaining untold riches. Think of the bank bailouts, a criminal heist of historical proportions, where the banks blackmailed our nation, putting a metaphorical gun to our government's head, threatening that if we don't give them what they ask for, they will crash the global economy and we will have martial law. We acquiesced at the expense of our national sovereignty. True to form, there was very little accountability regarding how the banks used this money, and much of what happened to it is still a mystery. In the total opposite of what happens in a ‘real' economy, in the bailout, money was invested and sucked into the least productive aspect of the economy — the financial system — all at the expense of the taxpayers. The Big Wetikos get the booty, and the risks and liabilities are then dumped onto the general population, increasing our nation's debt, and turning almost everyone else into ‘serfs.' The inevitable austerity measures, e.g., cuts in retirement benefits and social services, will then be put squarely on the backs of the working people. Taxpaying citizens will be forced to pay off the debt over decades of hard work and toil, as they become indentured servants to the bank. As it is said, ‘Crime that pays, stays.' We live in a ‘klepto-plutocracy': a ruler-ship by really wealthy thieves. We need to ‘wake up' to that we are being taken for all that we are worth.

The result is the largest gap in the distribution of wealth between the rich and poor since right before the 1929 Great Depression, which creates enormous economic instability, a situation that the Big Wetikos can then use to their own advantage. This transferring of assets from the broad class of working people and entrepreneurs to the super-rich is no accident, but is purposefully being implemented by the cold-blooded, Big Wetiko banksters and power brokers, who operate as a global banking cartel, so as to continually centralize their power and control. Unfortunately, this isn't some sort of wacky conspiracy theory. The evidence is all around us, fully visible to anyone who has the eyes to see. A global robbery is in progress; the Big Wetikos are enacting a financial coup d'etat of staggering proportions right in front of our eyes. It is quite symbolic that the one time in the New Testament that Jesus got really pissed was towards the money-changers. Big Wetikos in positions of power in high finance, manipulating the markets so as to loot the planet's treasuries and precious resources, have become the modern-day pirates, ransacking and pillaging humanity and all living things. This real world process is an externalized reflection of the psychic coup d'etat being perpetrated by the wetiko bug within our own psyche. This is to say that we can recognize a deep process within ourselves as it is revealed to us in the seemingly outside world. Seeing this is to begin to spiritually awaken, as we aren't just ‘waking up' to the fact that we are being robbed, but are ‘waking up' to the deeper, dreamlike nature of our overall situation.

The Big Wetikos are not just draining the resources of individuals, but are sucking up the real assets of and taking down the economies of entire nations around the world (Think of what is happening in Europe now, i.e., Greece and Ireland, and ever more so in the U.S.). One striking symbol of this process is the IMF (International Money Fund), a vampire squid-like entity if there ever was one. The IMF is essentially a bankrupt institution backed by a cadre of banks that are themselves mostly insolvent. The IMF is constantly on the lookout for real assets to scarf up so as to sate its voracious debt-driven hunger. When a country finds itself in financial dire straits (a crisis oftentimes created by a coordinated, criminal cabal of financial terrorists that are in league with the IMF), the IMF swoops in, and offers a seemingly beneficent, helping hand in the form of bailouts to the ailing country in their time of need. The IMF, however, effectively loots and pillages the country that it is purportedly aiding, for once the country accepts the IMF's ‘help,' the IMF winds up taking over the country's real assets to pay back the loan, thus turning it into an economic hostage. Each country that the IMF subjects to its ‘economic shock therapy' becomes a laboratory experiment by which it continually refines and perfects its financial weaponry. The crisis in Greece is a recent example of this sinister experiment in how to financially take down and extract the wealth from an entire country. The resulting austerity measures imposed upon the now enfeebled and hobbled country are akin to a modern form of feudalism. Subsequent to Greece, Ireland was taken down using the same tactics, and other nations (Portugal, Spain and Italy to name but a few) are in the cross-hairs of this internationally organized form of financial warfare.

As the wetiko infection progresses in the global body politic, the global economic system becomes gradually redesigned to exert more and more effective top-down control by the few over the many, to the benefit of the elite few. These very hard economic times we live in, unbelievably, are the times of the greatest profits for certain select corporate conglomerates in all of history. Are people aware of this eye-opening and mind-blowing fact? It is revealing that the very phrases used to describe the grand larceny occurring daily in and as the global financial system are terms that specifically apply to the psycho-pathology of wetiko disease, such as ‘predatory lending,' ‘liar loans,' ‘zombie banks,' ‘disaster capitalism,' ‘financial terrorism,' ‘monster capitalism' ‘voodoo economics,' and ‘tapeworm economics,' to name but a few.

The one thing the Big Wetikos are most afraid of, however, is large numbers of people seeing through their charade and realizing that the emperor has no clothes. If enough people clearly see what the Big Wetikos are doing — committing unconscionable crimes against humanity on a grand scale while they play roulette with our planetary inheritance — their gig will be up. This is an externalized reflection of how the wetiko virus within ourselves is terrified of being seen, for once the bug is seen, it is ‘out of business.' The global financial system is a symbolic reflection openly revealing the psycho-spiritual disease of wetiko ‘in business.'

The wetiko economic system is a bribery system. The Big Wetikos give us a tiny, overflow trickle of the over-the-top profits they unjustly reap, in which we gladly share. We then pretend that we are ‘clean,' that we are not complicit in the systematic evil that is playing out. We fall under the self-inflicted illusion that we are not responsible and are merely victims of the system, and yet, we are simultaneously feeding off and supporting the very evil of the system as it kills us. Energetically, on the level of the deeper, underlying field, we pay a steep price if we are buying into this Faustian pact with the Devil. We receive what appear to be benefits, wetiko ‘frequent flyer miles,' so to speak, but at the ultimate cost of our own genocide. Similar to accepting Candy from a predator, the rush of immediate gratification provides an apparent short-term benefit at the cost of our integrity, our freedom and ultimately, our lives. Our true power comes when we see our culpability and complicity in this process and accept our responsibility, thus enabling our ability to respond, which gives us the power to choose differently and change things.

The wetikonomy is both a symbol of and a portal through which we can see the bug of wetiko as it in-forms a living, yet diseased system emerging from the human mind. When we see the workings of the wetiko virus in any system, be it the financial system, the family system, or within our own selves, we are at the same time generating a living antibody of awareness which neutralizes the virulence of wetiko. Seeing how the global financial system is literally being animated and driven by the wetiko virus is to pop into a heightened state of awareness in which we are seeing a wetiko-ized system from outside of itself. We could only do this if we are beginning to see with healthy, wetiko-free eyes, and are thus separating and freeing ourselves from the toxic system. As we increasingly illumine the workings of wetiko, we more and more ‘distinguish ourselves' from it.

Our real debt is to ourselves; we owe it to ourselves to take a closer look and in-form ourselves and see through the business of wetiko. We can discover how money can be used as a tool that helps us cultivate and share true abundance. The return on our investment of attention will truly stimulate the neglected real economy and further inspire deeper heights of lucidity. This allows us to tap into the place within ourselves that is untainted by wetiko, through which we can consciously leverage and redesign the system to our collective advantage, which is to say, for the benefit of all. Herein lies our power to overcome the plague of wetiko, and in so doing, to build a world that works for everyone.

http://realitysandwich.com/80488/vampire_squid_economics_wetiko_disease/

[DeDukshyn]

I am reminded a bit of the low budget, (but somewhat good) movie called "Branded (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1368440/)" -- which embraces this concept from a corporate perspective.

[ponda]

Here's an interesting perspective on why the world is the way it is.




Seeing Wetiko: On Capitalism, Mind Viruses, and Antidotes for a World in Transition (http://www.kosmosjournal.org/article/seeing-wetiko-on-capitalism-mind-viruses-and-antidotes-for-a-world-in-transition/)


By Alnoor Ladha, Martin Kirk

Wetiko: the greatest epidemic sickness known to humanity. ~ Paul Levy




What if we told you that humanity is being driven to the brink of extinction by an illness? That all the poverty, the climate devastation, the perpetual war, and consumption fetishism we see all around us have roots in a mass psychological infection? What if we went on to say that this infection is not just highly communicable but also self-replicating, according to the laws of cultural evolution, and that it remains so clandestine in our psyches that most hosts will, as a condition of their infected state, vehemently deny that they are infected? What if we then told you that this ‘mind virus’ can be described as a form of cannibalism. Yes, cannibalism. Not necessarily in the literal flesh-eating sense but rather the idea of consuming others—human and non-human—as a means of securing personal wealth and supremacy.

You may dismiss this line of thinking as New Age woo-woo or, worse, a lefty conspiracy theory. But this approach of viewing the transmission of ideas as a key determinant of the emergent reality is increasingly validated by various branches of science, including evolutionary theory, quantum physics, cognitive linguistics, and epigenetics.

The history of this infection is long, strange, and dark. But it leads to hope.




Viruses of the Mind


The New World fell not to a sword but to a meme.
~ Daniel Quinn 2


One of the most well-accepted scientific theories that helps explain the power of idea-spreading is memetics.

Memes are to culture what genes are to biology: the base unit of evolution. The term was originally coined by the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins in his 1976 book, The Selfish Gene. Dawkins writes, “I think that a new kind of replicator has recently emerged . . . It is still drifting clumsily about in its primeval soup, but already it is achieving evolutionary change at a rate which leaves the old gene panting far behind.” He goes on, “Examples of
memes are tunes, ideas, catch-phrases, clothes fashions, ways of making pots or of building arches. Just as genes propagate themselves in the gene pool by leaping from body to body via sperms or eggs, so memes propagate themselves in the meme pool by leaping from brain to brain, via a process which, in the broad sense, can be called imitation.”3

One of the high priests of rationalism, the scientific method, and atheism, is also the father of the meme of ‘memes.’ However, like all memes or ideas, there can be no ownership in a traditional sense, only the entanglement that quantum physics reminds us characterizes our intra-actions.4

Of course, similar notions of how ideas move between us have been around in Western traditions for centuries. Plato was the first to fully articulate this through his Theory of Forms, which argues that non-physical forms—i.e., Ideas—represent the perfect reality from which material reality is derived.

Modern articulations of the Theory of Forms can be seen in Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s idea of the Noosphere (the sphere of human thought) and Carl Jung’s Collective Unconscious, where structures of the unconscious are shared among beings of the same species. For Jung, the idea of the marauding cannibal would first be an archetype that manifests in the material world through the actions of those who channel or embody it.

For those who prefer their science more empirical, the growing field of epigenetics provides some intellectual concrete. Epigenetics studies changes in organisms caused by modification of gene expression rather than any physical alteration of the gene itself. In other words, how traits vary from generation to generation is not solely a question of material biology but is partly determined by environmental and contextual factors that affected our ancestors.5




The Wetiko Virus


We did not think of the great open plains, the beautiful rolling hills, and the winding streams with tangled growth as “wild.” Only to the White man was nature a “wilderness” and only to him was the land infested by “wild” animals and “savage” people. To us it was tame. Earth was bountiful and we were surrounded with the blessings of the Great Mystery. Not until the hairy man from the east came and with brutal frenzy heaped injustices upon us and the families we loved was it “wild” for us.
~ Luther Standing Bear, Land of the Spotted Eagle6




Many spiritual traditions, including Buddhism, Sufism (the mystical branch of Islam), Taoism, Gnosticism, as well as many Indigenous cultures, have long understood the mind-based nature of creation. These worldviews have at their core a recognition of the power of thought-forms to determine the course of physical events.

Various First Nations traditions of North America have specific and long established lore relating to cannibalism and a term for the thought-form that causes it: wetiko. We believe understanding this offers a powerful way of understanding the deepest roots of our current global polycrisis.

Wetiko is an Algonquin word for a cannibalistic spirit that is driven by greed, excess, and selfish consumption (in Ojibwa it is windigo, wintiko in Powhatan). It deludes its host into believing that cannibalizing the life-force of others (others in the broad sense, including animals and other forms of Gaian life) is a logical and morally upright way to live.

Wetiko short-circuits the individual’s ability to see itself as an enmeshed and interdependent part of a balanced environment and raises the self-serving ego to supremacy. It is this false separation of self from nature that makes this cannibalism, rather than simple murder. It allows—indeed commands—the infected entity to consume far more than it needs in a blind, murderous daze of self-aggrandizement. Author Paul Levy, in an attempt to find language accessible for Western audiences, describes it as ‘malignant egophrenia’—the ego unchained from reason and limits, acting with the malevolent logic of the cancer cell. We will use the term wetiko as it is the original, and reminds us of the wisdom to be found in Indigenous cultures, for those who have the ears to hear.

Wetiko can describe both the infection and the body infected; a person can be infected by wetiko or, in cases where the infection is very advanced, can personify the disease: ‘a wetiko.’ This holds true for cultures and systems; all can be described as being wetiko if they routinely manifest these traits.

In his now classic book Columbus and Other Cannibals, Native American historian Jack D. Forbes describes how there was a commonly-held belief among many Indigenous communities that the European colonialists were so chronically and uniformly infected with wetiko that it must be a defining characteristic of the culture from which they came. Examining the history of these cultures, Forbes laments, “Tragically, the history of the world for the past 2,000 years is, in great part, the story of the epidemiology of the wetiko disease.”7

We would presumably all agree that behavior of the European colonialists in North America can be described as cannibalistic. Their drive for conquest and material accumulation was a violent act of consumption. The engine of the invading culture suckedin lives and resources of millions of others and turned them into wealth and power for themselves. The figures are still disputed, but it is safe to place the numbers killed in the tens of millions, certainly one of the most brutal genocides in history. And the impact on non-human life was equally vast. Moreover, it was all done with a moral certainty that all destruction was justified in the name of ‘progress’ and ‘civilization.’

This framing belies the extent of the wetiko infection in the invader culture. So blinded were they by self-referential ambition that they could not see other life as being as important as their own. They could not see past ideological blinders to the intrinsic value of life or the interdependent nature of all things, despite this being the dominant perspective of the Indigenous populations they encountered. Their ability to see and know in ways different from their own was, it seems, amputated.

This is not an anti-European rant. This is the description of a disease whose vector was determined by deep patterns of history, including those that empowered Europeans to drive ‘global exploration’ as certain technologies emerged.


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The wetiko meme has almost certainly existed in individuals since the dawn of humanity. It is, after all, a sickness that lives through and is born from the human psyche. But the origin of wetiko cultures is more identifiable.

Memes can spread at the speed of thought but they usually require generations to change the core characteristics of cultures. What we can say is that the fingerprints of wetiko-like beliefs can be traced at least as far back as the Neolithic revolution, when humans in the Fertile Crescent first learned to dominate their environment by what author Daniel Quinn calls ‘totalitarian agriculture’ — i.e., settled agricultural practices that produce more food than is strictly needed for the population, and that see the destruction of any living entity that gets in the way of that (over-)production—be it other humans, ‘pests’ or landscaping—as not only legitimate but moral.

This early form of wetiko-logic received an amplifying power of indescribable magnitude with the arrival of Christianity. “Let us make mankind . . . rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground,” said an authority no less than God in Genesis 1:26. After 8,000 years of totalitarian agriculture spreading slowly across the region, it is perhaps not surprising that the logic finds voice in the holy texts that emerged there. Regardless, it was driven across Europe at the point of Roman swords in the two hundred years after Christ’s death. It is no coincidence that, in order for Christianity to become dominant, the existing pagan belief-system, with its understanding of humanity’s place within rather than above nature, had to be all but annihilated.8

The point is that the epidemiology of wetiko has left clear indicators of its lineage. And although it cannot be pathologized along geographic or racial lines, the cultural strain we know today certainly has many of its deepest roots in Europe. It was, after all, European projects—from the Enlightenment to the Industrial Revolution, to colonialism, imperialism, and slavery—that developed the technology that opened up the channels that facilitated the spread of wetiko culture all around the world. In this way, we are all heirs and inheritors of wetiko colonialism.

We are all host carriers of wetiko now.




Wetiko Capitalism: Removing the Veils of Context



When Western anthropologists first started to study wetiko, they believed it to be only a disease of the individual and a literal form of flesh-eating cannibalism.9 On both counts, as discussed, their understanding was, if not wrong, certainly limited. They did, however, accurately isolate two traits that are relevant for thinking about cultures: (1) the initial act, even when driven by necessity, creates a residual, unnatural desire for more; and (2) the host carrier, which they called the ‘victim,’ ended up with an ‘icy heart’— i.e., their ability for empathy and compassion was amputated.

The reader can probably already sense from the two traits mentioned above the wetiko nature of modern capitalism. Its insatiable hunger for finite resources; its disregard for the pain of groups and cultures it consumes; its belief in consumption as savior; its overriding obsession with its own material growth; and its viral spread across the surface of the planet. It is wholly accurate to describe neoliberal capitalism as cannibalizing life on this planet. It is not the only truth—capitalism has also facilitated an explosion of human life and ingenuity—but when taken as a whole, capitalism is certainly eating through the life-force of this planet in service of its own growth.

Of course, capitalism is a human conception and so we can also say that we are phenomenal hosts of the wetiko mind virus. To understand what makes us such, it is useful to consider a couple of the traits that guide the evolution of human cultures.

We have decades of evidence from social science describing just what highly contextual beings we are. Almost all aspects of our behavior, including our moral judgments and limits, are significantly shaped in response to the cultural signifiers that surround us. The Good Samaritan studies, for example, show that even when people are primed with the idea of altruism, they will walk by others in need when they are in a rush or some other contextual variable changes.10 And the infamous Stanley Milgram experiments show how a large majority of people are capable of shocking another human to a point they know can cause death simply because an authority figure in a white lab coat insists they do so.11

We really are products of our environment, and so it should be taken as inevitable that those who live in a wetiko culture will manifest, to one degree or other, wetiko beliefs and behaviors.

Looking through the broader contextual lens, we must also account for the self-perpetuating nature of complex systems. Any living network that becomes sufficiently complex will become self-organizing, and from that point on will demonstrate an instinct to survive. In practical terms, this means that it will distribute its resources to support behavior that best mimics its own logic and ensures its survival.12

In other words, any system that is sufficiently infected by wetiko logic will reward cannibalistic behavior. Or, in Jack Forbes’ evocative language, “Those who squirm upwards are, or become, wetiko, and they only perpetuate the system of corruption or oppression. Thus the communist leaders in the Soviet Union under Stalin were at least as vicious, deceitful and exploitative as their czarist predecessors. They obtained ‘power’ without changing their wetiko culture.”13

This ensures that the essential logic of cultures spreads down through generations as well as across them. And it explains why they self-organize resources to maintain a high degree of continuity in distributions of power, when those distributions efficiently serve their survival and growth. When this continuity is interrupted or broken, revolutions occur and the system is put under threat.

However, as the above quote suggests, the disruption must happen at the right level. Merely trading one wetiko for another at the top of an otherwise unchanged wetiko infrastructure (as in the case of Stalin replacing the czars or, more contemporarily, Obama replacing Bush) is largely pointless. At best, it might result in the softening of the cruelest edges of a wetiko machine. At worse, it does nothing except distract us from seeing the true infection.

The question, then, for anyone interested in excising the wetiko infection from a culture is, where is it? In one respect, because it is a psychic phenomenon that lives in potential in all of us, it is non-local. But this, though ultimately important to understand, is not the whole truth. It is also true that there is a conceptual place where the most powerful wetiko logic is held, and that, at least in theory, makes it vulnerable.

In the same way that a colony of bees will instinctively house its queen in the deepest chambers of the hive, so a complex adaptive system buries its most important operating logic furthest from the forces that can challenge them. This means two things: first, it means citing the logic in the deep rules that govern the whole. Not just this national economy or that, this government or that, but the mother system—the global operating system. And second, it means making these rules feel as intractable and inevitable as possible.

So what is this deep logic of the global operating system?

It comes in two parts. First, there is the ultimate purpose, which we might call the Prime Directive, which is to increase capital.

We often dress this up in a narrative that says capital generation is not the end but the means, the engine of progress. This makes the idea of dethroning it feel dangerous and even contrary to common sense. But the truth is, we have created a system that artificially treats money as sacred. At this point in capitalism’s history, life is controlled by, more than it controls, the forces of capital. The clue is really in the name. But if you need further proof, look no further than how we define and measure progress: GDP. More on that below.

Then, there is the logic for how we, the living components of this system, should behave, which we would summarize with the following epithet:

Selfishness is rational and rationality is everything; therefore selfishness is everything.14

This dictates that if we all prioritize ourselves and maximize our own material wealth, an invisible hand (ah, what a seductive meme!) will create an equilibrium state and life everywhere will be made better. We are pitted against each other in a form of distributed fascism where we cocoon ourselves in the immediate problems of our own circumstances and consume what we can. We then couch this behavior in the benign language of family matters, national interests, job creation, GDP growth, and other upstanding endeavors.

Put these two parts of the puzzle together and it’s easy to see why the banker who generates excess capital receives vast rewards and is labelled ‘productive’ and ‘successful,’ almost regardless of the damage s/he causes. Those who are less ‘successful’ at producing excess capital, meanwhile, are rewarded far less, regardless of the life-affirming good they may be doing. Nurses, mothers, teachers, journalists, activists, scientists—all receive far less reward because they are less efficient at obeying the Prime Directive and may even be countermanding the ‘self-interest’ operating principle. And as for those who are actually poor—well, they are effortlessly labelled not just as practical but also moral failures.


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This infection is so far advanced that the system now requires exponential capital growth. The World Bank tells us that we have to grow the global economy by at least 3 percent per year to avoid recession.15 Let’s think about what this means. Global GDP in 2014 (the last full year of data) was roughly USD $78 trillion.16 We grew that pie by 2.4% in 2015, which resulted in the commodification and subsequent consumption of roughly another $2 trillion in human labor and natural resources. That’s roughly the size of the entire global economy in 1970. It took us from the dawn of civilization to 1970 to reach $2 trillion in global GDP, and now we need that just in the differential so the entire house of cards doesn’t crumble. In order to achieve this rate of growth year-on-year, we are destroying our planet, ensuring mass species extinction, and displacing millions of our brothers and sisters (who we commonly refer to as ‘poor people’) from around the world.

So when people tell us that the market knows best, or technology will save us, or philanthrocapitalism will redistribute opportunities (pace Bill Gates), we have to understand that all of these seemingly common sense truisms are embedded in a broader operating system, a wetikonomy, with all that that means. And the more they are presented as ‘unchangeable,’ the more often we’re told, ‘there is no alternative,’ the more we should question. There is actually a beautiful irony in the fact that, when we know what we’re up against, such statements are our signposts for where to look.

It is not that we are against markets, technology, or philanthropy — they can all be wonderful, in the right context—but we are against how they are being used as alibis to excuse the insanity of the wetiko paradigm that they are inseparable from. We are reminded of Jack Forbes’ heavy words; “It is not logical to allow the wetikos to carry out their evil acts and then to accept their assessment of the nature of human life. For after all, the wetiko possess a bias created by their own evil lives, by their own amoral or immoral behavior. And too, if I am correct, they were, and are, also insane.”17



Seeing Wetiko: Antidote Logic



[I]Launch your meme boldly and see if it will replicate—just like genes replicate, and infect, and move into the organism of society. And, believing as I do, that society operates on a kind of biological economy, then I believe these memes are the key to societal evolution. But unless the memes are released to play the game, there is no progress.
~ Terrence McKenna, Memes, Drugs and Community18

You might just be a black Bill Gates in the making.
~ Beyoncé, Formation19

A key lesson of meme theory is that when we are conscious of the memetic viruses we are less likely to adhere to them blindly. Conscious awareness is like sunlight through the cracks of a window.

Thus, one of the starting points for healing is the simple act of ‘seeing wetiko’ in ourselves, in others, and in our cultural infrastructure. And once we see, we can name, which is critical because words and language are a central battleground. To quote McKenna again:

The world is not made of quarks, electromagnetic wave packets, or the thoughts of God. The world is made of language.. Earth is a place where language has literally become alive. Language has invested matter; it is replicating and defining and building itself. And it is in us.20

His last line is critical for exploring our own agency in the replication of wetiko. We are all entangled in the unfolding of reality that is happening both to and through us. In place of traditional certainties and linear cause-and-effect logic, we can recast ourselves “as spontaneously responsive, moving, embodied living beings—within a reality of continuously intermingling, flowing lines or strands of unfolding, agential activity, in which nothing (no thing) exists in separation from anything else, a reality within which we are immersed both as participant agencies and to which we also owe significant aspects of our own natures.”21

If wetiko exists, it is because it exists within us. It is also entangled with the broader superstructure, relationships, and choice architecture that we are confronted with within a neoliberal system on the brink of collapse.

Forbes reminds us that we cannot ‘fight’ wetiko in any traditional sense: “One of the tragic characteristics of the wetiko psychosis is that it spreads partly by resistance to it. That is, those who try to fight wetiko sometimes, in order to survive, adopt wetiko values.

Thus, when they ‘win,’ they lose.”22 A lot of reform-based initiatives, from the sharing economy to micro-lending have succumbed to the co-optation and retaliation of wetiko capitalism.

However, once we are in the mode of seeing wetiko, we can hack the cultural systems that perpetuate its logic. It is not difficult to figure out where to start. Following the money usually leads us to the core pillars of wetiko machinery. Those of us that are within these structures, from the corporate media to philanthropy to banking to the UN, have access to the heart of the wetiko monster.

For those of us on the outside, we can organize our lives in radically new ways to undermine wetiko structures. The simple act of gifting undermines the neoliberal logic of commodification and extraction. Using alternative currencies undermines the debt–based money system. De-schooling and alternative education models can help decolonize and de-wetikoize the mind. Helping to create alternative communities outside the capitalist system supports the infrastructure for transition. And direct activism such as debt resistance can weaken the wetiko virus, if done with the right intention and state of consciousness.

By contracting new relationships with others, with Nature, and with ourselves, we can build a new complex of entanglements and thought-forms that are fused with post-wetiko, post-capitalist values.

We have to simultaneously go within ourselves and the deep recesses of our own psyches while changing the structure of the system around us. Holding a structural perspective and an unapologetic critique of modern capitalism—i.e., holding a constellational worldview that sees all oppression as connected—serves our ability to see the alternatives, and indeed, all of us, as intricately connected.

Plato believed that ideas are the ‘eyes of the soul.’ Now that the veils obscuring wetiko are starting to be lifted, let us give birth to, and become, living antigens, embracing the polyculture of ideas that are challenging the monoculture of wetiko capitalism. Let us be pollinators of new memetic hives built on altruism, empathy, inter-connectedness, reverence, communality, and solidarity, defying the subject-object dualities of Cartesian/Newtonian/Enlightenment logic. Let us reclaim our birth right as sovereign entities, free of deluded beliefs in market systems, invisible hands, righteous greed, chosen ones, branded paraphernalia, techno utopianism and even the self-salvation of the New Age. Let us dance with thought-forms through a deeper understanding of ethics, knowing, and being,23 and the intimate awareness that our individual minds and bodies are a part of the collective battleground for the soul of humanity, and indeed, life on this planet. And let us re-embrace the ancient futures of our Indigenous ancestors that represent the only continuous line of living in symbiosis with Mother Nature. The dissolution of wetiko will be as much about remembering as it will be about creation.


Endnotes

1 These are lyrics from a song entitled “The Priests of the Golden Bull” by the Na-
tive Canadian singer/songwriter Buffy Sainte-Marie from her 1992 album entitled Coincidence and Likely Stories. The authors believe this was their first encounter
with the memetic mind virus of wendigo (a version of wetiko). This will all make sense at the end of this article.
2 Quinn, D. Beyond civilization: Humanity’s next great adventure. Broadway Books (2008), p. 50.
3 Dawkins, R. The selfish gene. Oxford University Press (1990).
4 ‘Intra-action’ is a neologism created by Karan Barad and described in her book, Meeting the Universe Halfway (2007). Barad writes about intra-action, rather than interaction, to illustrate how entanglement precedes thingness. In other words, there are no things as such, just relationships—and these ongoing relational dynamics are co-responsible for how things emerge.
5 Recent research, for example, has shown how the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors have different stress hormone profiles than those from otherwise very similar circumstances but whose grandparents did not suffer through the Holocaust. Rodriguez, T. “Descendants of Holocaust survivors have altered stress hormones,” Scientific American (March 2015), accessed at: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/descendants-of-holocaust-survivors-have-altered-stress-hormones/
6 Luther Standing Bear. Land of the spotted eagle. Bison Books (2006).
7 Forbes, Jack D. Columbus and other cannibals: The wetiko disease of exploitation, imperialism and terrorism. Seven Stories Press (2008), p.46.
8 See Not in His Image (2006) by John Lamb Lash for a comprehensive account of the systematic annihilation of paganism by the new Christian religion.
9 Cooper, J.M. “The Cree Witiko Psychosis” in Primitive Man, Vol. 6, No. 1 (Jan., 1933), pp. 20-24: The George Washington University Institute for Ethnographic Research.
10 Darley, J. M., and Batson, C.D. “From Jerusalem to Jericho: A study of situational and dispositional variables in Helping Behavior.” Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (1973), Vol. 27, Number 1, pp. 100-108.
11 See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment.
12 Capra F, Luisi P, A systems view of life: A unifying vision. Cambridge (2014), Chapter 8.
13 Forbes, Jack D. Columbus and other cannibals: The wetiko disease of exploitation, imperialism and terrorism. Seven Stories Press (2008), p.46.
14 A version of this argument was originally published on Occupy.com by the authors in a two-part essay entitled “Capitalism is Just a Story and Other Dangerous Thoughts.” See more at: http://www.occupy.com/article/capitalism-just-story-and-other-dangerous-thoughts-part-i#sthash.INKCFdNs.dpuf.
15 For example, see this forecast report by the World Bank: http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/GEP/GEP2016a/Global-Economic-Prospects-January-2016-Global-Outlook.pdf
16 See http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf
17 Forbes, Jack D. Columbus and other cannibals: The wetiko disease of exploitation, imperialism and terrorism. Seven Stories Press (2008), p.37.
18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO6-1sqQme0.
19 These lyrics are from Beyoncé’s song “Formation,” which was originally debuted at the 2015 Super Bowl. For a critical analysis, see Dianca London’s article entitled Beyoncé’s capitalism, masquerading as radical change
20 McKenna, T. The archaic revival: Speculations on psychedelic mushrooms, the Amazon, virtual reality, UFOs, evolution, shamanism, the rebirth of the goddess, and the end of history. Harper Collins (1992).
21 John Shotter, “Agential realism, social constructionism, and our living relations to our surroundings: Sensing similarities rather than seeing patterns’’ Theory and Psychology, 2014.
22 Forbes, Jack D. Columbus and other cannibals: The wetiko disease of exploitation, imperialism and terrorism. Seven Stories Press (2008), p.61.
23 Karan Barad talks about the confluence of ethics, knowing, and being as an ‘onto-ethico-politico-epistemology.’ Ontology refers to what is in the world. Epistemology is about how we know what is in the world. And ethics is how we should engage in the world. These are not separate, but emerge materially in an ongoing dynamic. The nature of reality and the nature of knowledge are entangled—not fixed or final or determinate— and thus cannot be divorced from power and what we find valuable or just.

[raff]

Thank you Ponda for your enlightening article. I have always considered the wendigo/wetiko as a local phenomena with stories that seemed to be experienced by only a few people as if one would accidentally come across their cave or dwelling or be infected if you came into contact/be possessed by them. You are the first person that I know of who speaks of them as part of the whole human experience or at least the carrion of the system we are all living under.

In my own small way i have been actively involved in seeking to change this enslaving and predatory system and have encountered stiff resistance all along the way. I have recently in the last three years in the "dream state" encountered several times (close up) these wetiko/wendigo beings as part of the opposition to one's realisation of the liberation from the wickedness of this oppressive system. Only after i had encountered them did i find out who they are. But the information about them (internet sites and books) was always a small local phenomena to the point of trivial and mythical.

I am grateful for this heads up and will research further from the book you have shown.
Thank you

[ponda]

Cheers raff.

The thing that i find interesting about the idea of a type of global mind virus that feeds off negative frequencies etc is that if it is true then it goes a long way to explaining a lot of what goes on in the world. The way the planet is being destroyed for profit and greed, the constant wars and aggression, fear propaganda in the msm, the corrupt control systems etc etc. Great to here that you are making a conscious effort to do what ever you can. I haven't read the book yet but it's on my short list.


You and others might enjoy this panel discussion below about the related topic of Hyper-Dimensional Interference. It goes for 3 hours but covers a lot of ground.There is also an audio link at the source page (https://veilofreality.com/2016/05/25/hyper-dimensional-interference-and-the-keys-to-discernment-panel-discussion/)


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Discussion Bulletin Points:

The macro-perspective/bigger picture of the Hyperdimensional Matrix Control System and how it ties in with the micro-perspective: hyperdimensional interference on a personal/individual level. Clarification and definition of basic concepts.

Suppression of extra-sensory perception and social/cultural conditioning (starting in childhood) keeps hyperdimensional forces hidden from our awareness.

Hyperdimensional “technologies” used for interference/manipulation: shape-shifting, thought injections, manipulation of perception, etc.. They have knowledge of our physiology and psychology and use it against us.

As powerful as negative entities seem, their “achilles heel” is lack of creativity (when it comes to attack/interference) and are actually not as powerful as they like us to believe. Patterns easily detectable if there is knowledge and awareness.

Importance of gaining knowledge about this topic and educating oneself for empowerment and protection.

Ancient cultures were very aware of the hidden forces influencing our reality/world. Suppression of Knowledge. Corruption of Science. “Modern” world caught in limited 3D reductionist thinking and view of life/reality. Outer technological progress at cost of developing our inner technology (mind-body split by design}, which cuts us off from our full potential and ability to perceive these forces.

All our unresolved issues within us are gateways for hyperdimensional interferences and suggestions that influence our behaviors and actions.

Manipulation of desires and emotions. Entities controlling groups/crowds and feeding off of the “loosh”, including worship/admiration (gurus, priests, politicians).

Normalization of pathology in society. The predator gave us its own mind.

Importance of healthy skepticism (Discernment) as opposed to blind belief and extreme skepticism.

Normalization of sexual pathologies. Internet porn, strip clubs as feeding grounds. Hosting/Possession. Sex addiction, compulsions, change of personality. Manipulated sexual desires. Etheric implants.

Interference on internet message boards, forums, social media (Facebook). Important to check your compulsions, triggers, urges, thoughts before posting/reacting.

Interference while reading/researching about this topic and seeking truth: tiredness, distraction, ear ringing. Technological malfunctions. Negative synchronicities.

Disinformation “agents” sent your way. Ego hooks. Fake new “friends”.

People don’t know how much they are influenced and controlled by hyperdimensional forces until they start to wake up, seek truth, gain knowledge and engage in self work (de-programming, de-conditioning).

The end-game/goal of their agenda from a macro-perspective is full take-over of our bodies in order to lock us in a frequency prison, priming our bodies for their essence to host in. Hence the push for dis-embodiment, increasing the body-mind split via increased mental activity/distraction through technology/A.I. as well as poisoning the body via GMOs, EMF radiation, vaccinations, chemtrails, etc., for genetic modification. —> Hybridization.

Disinformation/trap of “positive aliens”supposedly upgrading our DNA, which is actually a “downgrading”. Discernment! Ties into MK Ultra, abductions/contactees (fake screen memories). New Age deception.

Embodiment (full soul integration, connecting to our inner “technology”) is key for protection, awakening and anchoring higher frequencies, reconnecting to our original genetic blue print.

Humanity is being used as an “interface”. Soul recycling, stuck in incarnation loop and physicality.

Narcissism and Borderline Personality Disorders (as well as Sociopathy and Psychopathy) as major gateways (vehicles) for hyperdimensional hosting/interference. Trap of agreement when getting into reactive behavior; triggered into their “game”.

Importance of zero-point consciousness: Non-reactive; not making/taking things personal. Trap of interpersonal fighting which is what these entities want and feed of off.

Importance of boundaries and taking self-responsibility for the hyperdimensional forces can only target what resonates with our own wounds and weaknesses (psychologically and emotionally).

Trap of victim-consciousness and blame, which these entities encourage us to react with since that state disempowers us even more.

Via non-reactive zero-point consciousness and especially not getting/feeding into fear and paranoia, we can starve them so they lose interest and move on. i.e. not giving them what they want.

Certain reactions (fear/paranoia) are a form of permission for more interference/attacks because of the frequency match. Keeps increasing because of the feedback-loop.

Divide and conquer/in-fighting in the “truth movement” from a hyperdimensional perspective. Lack of emotional intelligence, embodiment and self-work in many well-meaning activists and conspiracy researchers. “Truthers” can become unconscious disinformation “agents”, especially if there is lack of understanding of the hyperdimensional matrix.

Oftentimes online/public personas are very different from how people are in person. Careful of “cult of personality” or “celebrity” style personas in the truth/conscious “movement” (ties into projection, worship, etc) who feed off of the attention and are caught up in drama/gossip/martyr/savior/victim mindsets, which is what negative hyperdimensional entities feed off of, working though them. Unconscious on their part.

Frequency Resonance Vibration and the power of our own minds with regards to shaping our experiences (for better or worse). Our lack of understanding of who we truly are and what we are capable of is being used against us. Interferences/attacks don’t happen over night but build up slowly, manipulating our free will choices, resulting in traps of agreement.

Emotionally charged thought projections create “entities” or attracts them. Paranoid mechanical thought loops.

Timeline shuffling via thought injections and emotional manipulation, hijacking our minds, which results in negative forces creating reality through us that is in alignment with their agenda. We are way more creative and powerful than them, hence they need us to create through us via free will manipulation.

Trap of hyper-sensitivity/self-consciousness with regards to what other people think of you. Guilt and shame based due to past wounding.

Silence as a permission for interference and consent/trap of agreement. Be vocal about boundaries and question everything we perceive as “normal”: media, culture, government.

Government is an archonic creation and the most basic set-up of the Matrix Control System through which the hyperdimensional overlords work through. We don’t need government in any shape or form.

Voting is consent to be ruled over (a government body taking over your life), a trap of agreement giving away our power as sovereign individuals, and also a consent to the Matrix Control System based on authoritarianism. It has negative metaphysical repercussions despite any well-meaning intentions, manipulating people’s free will choice to align with the “alien” agenda.

Importance of making conscious choices and using true free will. Most people mistake free will for their mechanical programmed reactions based on social/cultural, unconscious programming and past trauma, i.e. they are not choosing consciously but do as they are programmed to do under the illusion of “free will”.

Hyperdimensional forces need our free will consent/choice to align with their agenda. Forced choice is not “nutritious” to them and not “quality food”, hence the manipulation of consciousness and mass beliefs. Manipulated need for authority —> Stockholm Syndrome.

Sincere Self-work is imperative, deprogramming from cultural/social conditioning. Disillusionment is inevitable in the process of waking up.

Embodiment, the alchemical marriage of the inner male and female, connecting to spirit/nature and or own inner “authority” and guidance.

Importance of basic psychological self-work; shadow work. What are your emotional triggers?

Issues in relationships (not related to Love Bite/Dark Side of Cupid) when one person starts to wake up, engages in truth-seeking and self-work but the other person isn’t. Trap/danger of trying to make the other person “see” and “wake up”.

Anyone who is not in the process of sincere self-work, seeking truth (and not aware of the hyperdimensional matrix) can become a “trojan horse”, being used by entities to get to the one who is in the process of awakening. Discernment in relationships (not just the romantic kind)!

Safe vs. unsafe behaviors in relationships.

Trap of needing approval, resulting in self-diminishment and poor choices/relationships. Importance of self-worth and healthy self-love. Letting go of people-pleasing based on low self-esteem and lack of establishing healthy boundaries.

All about choice; what we align ourselves with and what not. Not making a choice is a choice as well (most often giving consent for interference/manipulation)

The socialist collective mindset the world is conditioned with on a political level is part of the NWO agenda and ultimately the hyperdimensional control system, priming the masses for full take-over with their manipulated free will consent. Group psychology and hive mind thinking, from small crowds to large spiritual, religious and political groups/parties.

Divide and conquer. Controlled opposition. Forced choices via manipulation.

Waking up is an individual process. We cannot force others to awaken. Infringement of free will. Most people are conditioned with lifetimes of lies, traps of agreements and programming that can’t be done away with “over night” by confronting them. You can’t do it for them. Spread “seeds of awareness”.

True “healers” and “guides” are facilitators and don’t save us or do the work for us.

The role of positive higher forces and how they help/guide and assist us.

The difference between true positive higher forces as opposed to negative forces posing as “positive” ones. False light teachings. Danger of rituals, calling in entities and aliens, ETs. Disinformation in the UFO community and various disclosure/exo-politics movements/organizations trying to connect with “positive” aliens and calling in UFOs. Discernment!

Pay attention to your intuitive insights and bodily messages (your gut!) regardless how intellectually clever and knowledgable a person may appear (especially online).

All there is are lessons. Attacks are initiations. Utilizing negative forces as “teachers”. Importance of self-responsibility.

Timeline reality split. Integration. Embodiment. Alignment.

[raff]

Wow Ponda a real manifesto of change, thank you very much. You have helped me more than you know. So much of ones inability to change anything is lack of experience and understanding of what truly opposes us. Words and ideas can seem so distant especially when confronting the challenges we are encountering. For myself i have come to a virtual paralysis due to the challenges i have been confronted with. You have given me the fuel to carry on when i truly felt for quite a few months now i was unable to continue. And for that dear Ponda i am eternally grateful. Many thanks and best wishes :bearhug:

[ponda]

Hey that's great raff. In the Panel Discussion they get deep into the obstacles and harassment issues and what can be done about it. Sometimes the negativity can be looked upon as a learning opportunity in hindsight.

cheers

[seah]

Paul Levy does a superb job of shedding light onto this metaphysical topic, and I thank you, ponda, for this post.

I am tempted to respond to a couple of the bulletin points above, but I will instead say the following, which I feel is simply expounding of a point in your post.
At the moment I'm particularly focused on an interesting point that has shown itself to me recently, and that is how some generally good people, who for the most part contribute to the awakening of human kind and should possess the awareness to decipher their own triggers appear oblivious to something that is ingrained in our culture. They remain easily impressed with academic credentials from an archontic influenced educational system which they readily admit serves the sole purpose of turning out droids that are in service to the empire. This cord requires cutting if we are to individually progress, but also, very much collectively; more impediment on the collective consciousness of humanity we do not need.

[ponda]

Hi seah


Feel free to comment on any of the bulletin points etc if you want. The whole topic of Hyper-Dimensional Interference and Mind Virus/Parasites etc is a big grey area imho but very interesting none the less. It's always good to get different opinions and perspectives on these topics. I look forward to reading Paul Levy's book at some stage. It received some good reviews.


cheers

[shaberon]

Had to find out what this was--spelled as "wendigo" is a little more standard.

Indigenous Americans understood this, and as noted, so did most of the rest of the world, and I would include the European druids/pagans along with that--the spiritual traditions all knew it. What this tells us, is that the modern Western tradition itself is not spiritual; it must be a wendigo! Those are pretty much the only two choices available for the mind: universal spiritual connectedness, or an artificial fight to feed an individual "self".

I might say it's entirely possible to fight in a traditional sense, without succumbing to the same infection. Of course, plenty of the champions in new robes are already infected; try not to gather round those.

[ponda]

Yes shaberon "it" goes by many names and what "it" is and how it works and what it is connected to etc is going to be much deeper down the rabbit hole imho.

I think that just having an awareness of a possible external mental influence an individual can help to prevent undue interference. Being mindful and paying attention to our thoughts and urges etc.

I suspect that no one is immune from negative activity/influence but we can learn from these types of experiences and grow stronger and more aware because of them.


cheers

[shaberon]

Agreed. I think "wendigo" is a better name than "hyperdimensional"...whatever that was (this language does not even have a word for it). Some people learn of "a" wendigo, such as the Jersey Devil, but I'm pretty sure the lore keepers understood fully well of its true existence, and that such monsters were only men whose bodies had been fully occupied by it.

As such, it's influence is not merely possible, but constant and dominant. I fully believe one could achieve an immunity, but someone like me is not going to accomplish it, and we seriously need to practice that type of mindfulness that might give us a clue about the ways it's trying to ingrain itself. We, or at least I, will probably mess it up many times--you brush off the dust, or the tears, and never give up.

[ponda]

In my opinion "wendigo/wetiko" refers to the mind virus type of activity/influence and the term "Hyper-dimensional" encompasses the broader aspects of non 3d activity that effects the 3d etc such as paranormal activity, ghosts and demons, extra-dimensional aliens, and miscellaneous other types of manipulations and influences of which the origins and types might be unknown. I suspect that there is some type of connection between many of these phenomena.


Edit update

Here's the Wiktionary definition of Hyperdimensional (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hyperdimensional)


English
Adjective

hyperdimensional ‎(not comparable)

Of or pertaining to a system having more dimensions than naturally observed in our universe.

A game of tic-tac-toe in four dimensions is hyperdimensional

[seah]

Hi seah


Feel free to comment on any of the bulletin points etc if you want. The whole topic of Hyper-Dimensional Interference and Mind Virus/Parasites etc is a big grey area imho but very interesting none the less. It's always good to get different opinions and perspectives on these topics. I look forward to reading Paul Levy's book at some stage. It received some good reviews.


cheers

Cheers, back at you...I haven't read the book either, but have been keeping up with the articles from his website for some time. http://www.awakeninthedream.com/articles/


People don’t know how much they are influenced and controlled by hyperdimensional forces until they start to wake up, seek truth, gain knowledge and engage in self work (de-programming, de-conditioning).

Which eventually leads us to disengage from almost everything, in my experience. With the onset of this, there's support from the other forces, those known as the laws of nature, and after a time of not feeding the emotional body, it does diminish.
This can ‘look’ to some like something is off about you, as though you are unfeeling, but nothing could be further from the truth; our discernment allows us to be selective, and like the C's told Laura, "always expect attack", but by the same token, if we continue doing the work on self, the reinforcements are forthcoming. :star:

[ponda]

seah said:

Which eventually leads us to disengage from almost everything, in my experience. With the onset of this, there's support from the other forces, those known as the laws of nature, and after a time of not feeding the emotional body, it does diminish.
This can ‘look’ to some like something is off about you, as though you are unfeeling, but nothing could be further from the truth; our discernment allows us to be selective, and like the C's told Laura, "always expect attack", but by the same token, if we continue doing the work on self, the reinforcements are forthcoming.


Good advice seah. Imho one can be emotionally detached from say 'provocations' or other events and yet still be compassionate and caring etc

[Ewan]

Doing a search for books with Wendigo in the title I came across an intriguing title.

Corpus Hermeticum, Tome 5 : Le souffle du Wendigo

Unfortunately I can only read books in French if they're tailored to a 4yr old.

http://bookzz.org/book/1182811/1fad16 ~That contains a link to .PDF if anyone is as curious as I.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

:bump:

More than 4 years ago, the last post was written in this thread about "Wetiko".
I believe it is worthwhile to bring this subject back to the front, as it is more than ever present in all our lives, anywhere we live.

Whether in out personal lives, in our jobs, in our communities and even worldwide, in the economy, politics, sciences and in the way we as human beings treat each other as well as the world, traces of "wetiko" can be found easily.

As an intro, maybe read the posts above, they will explain what wetiko is all about.
Paul Levy has done a terrific job in describing and analyzing this "bug", and a naughty mind-bug it certainly is!

Levy also can speak from personal experience. He may be one of the very few men - it so happens that way more women wrote about this subject in a personal way - that have described a personal battle with this mindvirus. It besieged him first through his father and later through psychologists and psychotherapists. Jung and Buddhism saved him. It is really worthwhile to read his autobiography ("Awakened by Darkness") as well as his three other books. He also has a lot of interesting articles on his website (www.awakeninthedream.com), he is a journalist by profession.

I would suggest to look at the subject of wetiko in the "light" of the present events happening all around us.
Most probably, you may get a clearer view, about what REALLY is going on.

The subject of wetiko is very closely related to the subject of pathological narcissism. Reading about the first is also reading about the other.

It would be very useful if we could expand on this thread.

[TargeT]

I would suggest to look at the subject of wetiko in the "light" of the present events happening all around us.
Most probably, you may get a clearer view, about what REALLY is going on.

The subject of wetiko is very closely related to the subject of pathological narcissism. Reading about the first is also reading about the other.

It would be very useful if we could expand on this thread.


If you read with blurred context there are a few threads that tie in this mentality; one easy connection is the C0rv0 info thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112030-Some-interesting-information-shared-by-Avalon-member-c0rv0) that ties these mindwalkers to extra dimensional entities (which he lumps into two major groups etc..) I found a lot of similarity between portions of that thread and this one; though I do not so much agree with the inferred outcomes outlined there in.


I'd say this topic is very relevant if you want to look at a macro view of what is currently happening.

[Sue (Ayt)]

The emphasis on Mind Viruses, Parasites, and "The Virus" all make this concept particularly relevant right now.

You can almost see the virus taking over, as good people everywhere seem to change... like they have been infected by ???(something)
Friends dropping friends, families being torn apart. Groups disbanded.
It is quite frightening sometimes to witness this going on!

It would be great if we could discuss tools and methods to circumvent and hopefully ride this weird energy, rather than succumb to its destructiveness.

[Anka]

I did some research and not to talk about the study, but somewhere along the subject as clearly as possible, I would say that it is a very old controversial current that links many objectives, which strikes in many perspectives, but in current events located in a absolute perspective, in a perpetual avalanche of pragmatic interest for survival that gives people a possible wrong courage, and it is absolutely a touching echo as some of the people still try to heal others. :flower:

Each episode about the culture of survival, writes our history as humanity in the constant struggle in which we win or lose vital antibodies, in the vicinity of internal or external catastrophes.

Apart from the intensity of the events, the mentality of the people in the options does not always seem very improved.
Mankind seems to have had a kind of historical misfortune but also the ability to let things "flow naturally" and turn negativity into a survival formula, which did not go well all the time.

As a perpetual theme, I do not think that there is a global solution, in such a huge disproportion in today's communication, as a kind of summary in a kind of loneliness, soluble in every aspect of society and the simplicity of a choice good and handy seems impossible.
I think it may depend on everyone's luck, which is actually a proverb...on which we may all depend, I would add.

Social tension has always existed, and each opposite segment speaks of the other side as an objective source of catastrophe, but I believe that until we reach final judgments and radical maneuvers, we always have the right to dialogue, until the trial, we must dialogue at least in a attempt to communicate.

The world has become accustomed in a kind of equidistant guilt, where it is difficult to find the calm of a real debate.

The willingness to assume diverse opinions but first of all the interest for the other next to us, gives rise to a dilemma in which it is no longer possible to recognize if we really lack communication or we realize that the context is really important but we do not know the effect.
In the end, it is perhaps an internal management in the guarantee of a good act that is not likely to ruin us, but on the contrary is dependent on feeling the culture of being balanced.
Now we are in a different crisis motivation than other historical attempts and as long as we do not find a realistic solution we will always lose.
If people had the patience to see how "waters are chosen," and when we have the patience to get past the apparent "statutory nebula," then autonomy in the clarity of the object of life should be exclusive.

A normal culture, primarily human, we always find it in the show of people who express themselves decently, the emphasis on hysterical propaganda panic should be avoided for everyone because it is a too rudimentary way to understand the public and inner presence.
There is no time to think without the wisdom of resistance in and around society.
Meeting the self can give the feeling of driving under a false freedom if we hurry. Ease has not always been easy, also.

In the face of a society severely damaged in distances imposed more and more between us and the full process of adjusting all perceptions, we live almost 8 billion of perspectives, but in the face of any option we should live by choosing simply and truly and real, humor, assumed discernment and hope.

When they can return to the theme of love we will all be healed, because personality disorders lend themselves with fantastic ease, identity, methods, picture and characteristics which are grandly compulsively exposed and the manifestation is influential, but love is purer than any current.

Often the diagnosis abuses health, especially in the total absence of empathy, everything is lost in the role lost between reward and punishment or more.Empathy, also, is always updated in the wrong formulas, because there is an enormous distance between mercy and compassion.

Lack of love endangers any intimacy by accumulating an inconsistency, the posture of a disease superimposed over events, brings an artificial and real attribution but at the same time, the placement should be weighed.

Some defend themselves from the current, others consider it a cry of a wounded child (a kind of Alpha-wound, being so versatile), somewhere in the middle, everything should be impossible limited only by understanding, compassion and love, even if everything is also debatable, the good nature of the soul should conquer.

I don't even know if I touched on the subject, but I tried to go with the idea on side topics, just for healing.
Maybe it was enough to say that healing is always a good option for the merit of feeling life, in the full simplicity of living and joy.

Or something like..

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[Delight]

David Icke is talking about mind control here. He talks about possession and calls out the driving force. He mentions wetiko and thinks wetiko brought fear into the world. He also thinks this is about to change. Really interesting video IMO...

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