Is Meditation Demonic?

[TruthSeekah]

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I look at meditation like I look at prayer. Prayer isn't demonic, unless you are praying to Satan or demons etc then the prayer become demonic because of your intention. Same thing with meditation. Prayer and meditation is a vehicle, a tool for communion with the higher power.

[GloriousPoetry]

Meditation looks different for everyone.......walking on the beach, painting or making music if you are an artist. I have never been able to sit down and meditate as a routine in my life. A few years ago I did a mediation retreat which included 10 days of silence. It was great to take 10 days off from the chaotic sounds of the world. Nevertheless, I have always felt that for me sitting down and forcing myself to meditate is not natural. I have always had my personal spiritual experiences outside meditation as I walk through this world in my own personal flow of life......


I recently ran into a book that challenges all religions and new age concepts. Its content is expansive and perhaps disturbing for some people but I do have to agree with its core message.......your soul's essence is your higher knowing in this universe and following anybody else's program is going against your divine flow.

The book is Our Universal Journey by George Kavassilas

This is a poem I wrote a few years ago.....hope it connects with you truthseekah

"Divine Arts of Creation"
An invitation to create
from a higher place in
this world arrived from
an innate substance that
is formed in the divine
providence of my soul,
an inner light that grows
with every moment that
knows where heaven's cords
fold between this world and
divinity's flow.......

[ghostrider]

meditation is only the focus of your consciousness, it can be interfered with but, true , pure , love conquers everything in the end ... the pain you carry is the love you withhold... I heard that somewhere...

[andrewgreen]

meditation is only the focus of your consciousness, it can be interfered with but, true , pure , love conquers everything in the end ... the pain you carry is the love you withhold... I heard that somewhere...

great answer!

[Tony]

Meditation is about being aware.

[kreagle]

I look at meditation like I look at prayer. Prayer isn't demonic, unless you are praying to Satan or demons etc then the prayer become demonic because of your intention. Same thing with meditation. Prayer and meditation is a vehicle, a tool for communion with the higher power.

TruthSeekah,

You're on the right track with your outlook on meditation/prayer. There is more reference to the 'word' meditation in the Old Testament than there is in the New Testament, but it means the same. As long as 'meditation' is upon His Word,....Statutes,....Laws,....Precepts,....His Works,.....or His Doings, then we find that it's concept is being properly deployed by us. The word meditation, ( by definition), fully denotes that it should 'exclusively' belong to God. It's deployment in any 'other' dimension is where people open up another realm, altogether, which is detrimental to our 'soul',....( Biblically speaking).


med·i·ta·tion/ˌmɛdɪˈteɪʃən/ Show Spelled [med-i-tey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. the act of meditating.
2. continued or extended thought; reflection; contemplation.
3. transcendental meditation.
4. devout religious contemplation or spiritual introspection.



To 'those' who regularly use 'meditation' for a wide assortment of reasons, ( other than those directed solely towards God), I'm reminded of the 'farmer's wife' who began to berate her husband for leaving the kitchen door 'wide open' and allowing the 'mosquitos', ( and other assorted bugs), to infiltrate their home. Contrary to popular belief,....this is 'exactly' what a person is doing when they misuse the term 'meditation'. Most people 'don't have a clue' as to what they have just 'opened their soul to',....to which these 'demonic entities' will gladly accept the invitation to 'move on in'.


I fully realize this outlook will not set well with 'some',...but it nevertheless is still the 'net result' when 'meditation', ( which 'belongs' to God), is deployed elsewhere.


Your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[Kraut]

To 'those' who regularly use 'meditation' for a wide assortment of reasons, ( other than those directed solely towards God), I'm reminded of the 'farmer's wife' who began to berate her husband for leaving the kitchen door 'wide open' and allowing the 'mosquitos', ( and other assorted bugs), to infiltrate their home. Contrary to popular belief,....this is 'exactly' what a person is doing when they misuse the term 'meditation'. Most people 'don't have a clue' as to what they have just 'opened their soul to',....to which these 'demonic entities' will gladly accept the invitation to 'move on in'...
In my opinion the opposite is true. These "demonic entities" try to influence us anyway, all the time. With or without invitation. The way they operate is far more subtle than many think, who imagine demonic possession or something like that. Meditation can be a tool to observe inner thought processes or emotional states and find out how much we own them or whether we may be influenced. Noticing the influence calls for looking within, in a calm and still way. Which is what meditation is, like shining a light within to see the shadows.

[TruthSeekah]

During prayer you speak to God, during meditation God speaks to you.

[kreagle]

To 'those' who regularly use 'meditation' for a wide assortment of reasons, ( other than those directed solely towards God), I'm reminded of the 'farmer's wife' who began to berate her husband for leaving the kitchen door 'wide open' and allowing the 'mosquitos', ( and other assorted bugs), to infiltrate their home. Contrary to popular belief,....this is 'exactly' what a person is doing when they misuse the term 'meditation'. Most people 'don't have a clue' as to what they have just 'opened their soul to',....to which these 'demonic entities' will gladly accept the invitation to 'move on in'...
In my opinion the opposite is true. These "demonic entities" try to influence us anyway, all the time. With or without invitation. The way they operate is far more subtle than many think, who imagine demonic possession or something like that. Meditation can be a tool to observe inner thought processes or emotional states and find out how much we own them or whether we may be influenced. Noticing the influence calls for looking within, in a calm and still way. Which is what meditation is, like shining a light within to see the shadows.


I fully agree that these 'demonic entities' are continously attempting to influence us 'all the time'. I just think it would be extremely wise to 'cut down on their opportunities', as much as possible, hence the statement I've made.

When 'meditation' is employed, the 'goal' is always to 'seek inward counsel', one way or the other. Whether we realize it, or not, it's the design, ( and desire), of God for Him to be 'included' in this 'seeking of counsel', as clearly seen in this passage.



Isaiah 30:1 (KJV)

30 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:




It should be noted that 'when' we include God in our 'meditations', you can rest assured that He is going to 'lead you and guide you into all truth'



John 16:13 (KJV)

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.




However, when He is not specifically 'summoned', ( or Spiritually 'invited'), into our meditations, then this indicates that we are 'omitting' His influence,......and seeking 'alternative' sources of comfort, and directives, for our lives. Those 'alternative sources' are certainly out there, just waiting on 'any' opportunity that we might give them, whether 'knowingly',...or by ignorance, on our part.


Wisdom tells me to 'include' the One with the answers,....as to be 'steered' correctly!


Peace, and God Bless,.....your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[kreagle]

During prayer you speak to God, during meditation God speaks to you.

Precisely my point, brother. The 'many' situations, ( ie. our 'human' baggage), that we enter into 'meditation' with certainly need to be 'sorted out,..... properly', don't they? How can we expect to 'hear the voice of God' in meditation 'if' we haven't 'specifically' made Him the 'focal point' of our meditation,.... and specifically 'invited Him into our session'?

It makes 'all the difference' in the world, my many friends,......and 'especially' with the 'results you derive' from these such invitations which include Him!


Great thread, brother!


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[PurpleLama]

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[Camilo]

Why do you ask that question?

[Mark]

There are people of many different orientations and backgrounds here.

The strictures of Christianity should not be the yardstick by which we judge the efficacy of meditation as it is known to be compromised. As a matter of fact, ALL spiritual traditions are compromised to one extent or another.

But one thing remains constant despite the co-optation of institutions. That the human connection with the divine is real and is a birthright.

How that divinity is expressed is culturally determined and, despite the hype, ALL paths contain the Truth, with varying levels of distortion obscuring it for those susceptible to distraction by dogmatic bells and ritualistic whistles.

Meditation as a tool to explore consciousness is effective without doubt. Yes, it can open one up to lower dimensional entities and spiritual warfare but, as someone stated above, we are subjected to that anyway all the time. I can remember as a 12 year old boy that grew up in a traditional Baptist African-American family, experiencing my first Kensho and then going to my mother, cautiously, and asking her about meditation. She stated, much as Kreagle does, that meditation and opening the mind will allow the devil to enter. That halted me in my tracks for about 5 years.

Meditation reflects the orientation of the individual employing that tool for the furtherance of their own personal higher goals. Right and wrong on the level of material consciousness are sliders on a scale reaching to infinity. There are as many different types of meditation as there are prayers, all it basically is, is an exploration of the inner landscape. A way toward knowing, and a path toward freedom. For those who decry meditation and use religious claptrap - not directed at Kreagle or anyone else, just generally, across the world - to justify it they are playing into the hands of the Powers and Principalities that their scripture warns them about, and leaving their ultimate salvation in the hands of priests, preachers and the fallible understanding of a limited and ignorant personal consciousness.

Bless.

EDIT: I see after watching the video belatedly that I'm just repeating what the OP has already stated. LOL Great vid.

[Freed Fox]

I have yet to view the video myself, but if what Rahkyt said above is reflective of its message, then it is probably right on point. :)

Still, for what it's worth I'll add my two cents;

Meditation is not a demonic practice, but it is a practice which involves facing ones own personal demons. Contrary to certain more 'dogmatic' views, having personal demons is not indicative of demonic possession. Arguably it is the result of living in a society which instills certain types of social, cultural, psychological, and religious programming upon its inhabitants, along with the large variety of negative/traumatic experiences one can have; experiences which leave their imprints upon us long after we think we've 'gotten over it'. These imprints reveal themselves upon deep introspection, reflection, stilling our minds, and removing ourselves from the multitude of distractions which are abundant around us. Hence, meditation often leads to this internal confrontation.

I would not be surprised if reports of demonic engagement during or as a result of meditation were in reality, much more often than not, someone's own 'dark side' and unresolved baggage rearing its head. Admitting to imperfection (and taking responsibility for it) is a tough pill to swallow. Especially for the spiritually inclined, we want to believe we are thoroughly good-natured. Any signs of selfishness, wickedness, anger, or fear seem to fly in the face of that notion, but only when we acknowledge and face these shortcomings can we ever hope to overcome them.

[Anchor]

I look at meditation like I look at prayer. Prayer isn't demonic, unless you are praying to Satan or demons etc then the prayer become demonic because of your intention. Same thing with meditation. Prayer and meditation is a vehicle, a tool for communion with the higher power.

I didn't watch the video, because I cant yet, but I am responding to the idea that meditation is "demonic" whatever that is supposed to mean.

Meditation is communion with yourself, that highest and purest aspect of you that was made by "God" in "God's" own image; a metaphysically obscure reflection of the one infinite creator, which we limit by our own expressions.

How on earth can this be demonic?

Only can be if you yourself are a demon - and even then you are still loved.

[Vitalux]

This being does between two or three hours of meditation a day.

Most beneficial thing I have ever done for mental hygiene.


Those 10 days at the Vipassana Centre were an excellent life changing experience.

[TruthSeekah]

This being does between two or three hours of meditation a day.

Most beneficial thing I have ever done for mental hygiene.


Those 10 days at the Vipassana Centre were an excellent life changing experience.

Vipassana. Thats the 10 day vow of silence right? Theres an amazing documentary about if where they implemented it into a prison in Alabama and it had life changing effects on the inmates involved. Needless to say the warden shut it down because of all the christian chaplains complaining about it. Im actually in Alabama.

[nomadguy]

My perspective is that meditation by itself is neutral.
However does anyone remember that story about a man named Siddhattha Gautama?(Gautama Buddha)
When he achieve his enlightenment he was in a meditative state.
And was faced by Maara "the tempter" and the master of Ego.
This is one the best descriptions of a demon I have ever heard of.
- link (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/guruge/wheel419.html#ch-3)

So from this I think meditation is a happening, you cannot DO it. It happens. And when it does this can allow an individual to see through of beyond the illusion.

However when in that state if you cave to fear, lust or power you can become the demon's vessel.

"Maara's last step is to challenge the future Buddha's right to the seat on which he is seated; the earth is summoned as a witness; the earth quakes and Maara and his hosts run in disarray."

Edit:
Seems there may be a cross over. Very important information here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60718-Wetiko

Meditation is a way perhaps, to reunify your creative awareness to your conscious awareness.

[Vitalux]

This being does between two or three hours of meditation a day.

Most beneficial thing I have ever done for mental hygiene.


Those 10 days at the Vipassana Centre were an excellent life changing experience.

Vipassana. Thats the 10 day vow of silence right?


A bit more to it than silence. There is also 10 days of heavy meditation which is perhaps the human's first experience in learning how to "train" the mind and deprogram our negative behavior traits that bring about our misery.

[Maunagarjana]

Is meditation demonic?

NO.

Anyone who thinks it might be, I don't know what you think meditation is, but it's not that.

[Anchor]

Finally I watched the video. I liked it, thanks for sharing it!

He is a good guy!