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Team Zen
3rd July 2013, 18:59
Hey everybody,

The Egypt uprisings are taking over all attention on CNN, BBC, Skynews, Al Jezeera- I'm dubious as to what's going on...what are your thoughts? I'm curious to know perspectives...

Wind
3rd July 2013, 19:11
Maybe people are just tired of oppression? I mean, who wouldn't want true freedom?

white wizard
3rd July 2013, 19:14
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/03/egypt-teeters-on-brink-overthrow-as-army-deadline-is-set-to-expire/

Apperantly the country just overthrew its president.

This is a sign in my opinion that the paradigm is shifting, because they

very easily took back their country. It shows the average person that

the power really is in the hands of the people.

Team Zen
3rd July 2013, 19:24
I really appreciate this feedback...I get worried, though, because of all the suspicion regarding the plan of the elites (or whatever) manipulating the politics of the middle east right now... I'm watching it right now- I am so in awe of the people coming together and taking a stand- but do they know what they're doing? Is it idealist? Or is this real movement for change on a positive direction for the benefit of the people? Perhaps my ignorance of the nuances of all this prevents me from forming an real opinion...

johnf
3rd July 2013, 19:30
I also wish I had more to go on.
Our member on the ground says he thinks it is legitimately the people behind it.
During the first one we saw all sorts of stuff in usa about it, this time it seems minimal.
My big question is whether the independent banking system is going to go back in.

jf

Operator
3rd July 2013, 19:33
It looks like TPTWB lost their puppet ... this time it may be for real.
If so, it's a good thing the military showed support for the people.

This may also throw a wrench in the works of letting the Muslim
Brotherhood spread out in the middle east.

Another delay in the Elite's plans ... :peace:

Team Zen
3rd July 2013, 19:59
Oh gosh this is not in the right section... how do we move this to General discussion or whatever?

Wind
3rd July 2013, 20:02
Oh gosh this is not in the right section... how do we move this to General discussion or whatever?

Contact Paul.

Kimberley
3rd July 2013, 20:24
Good thread...I have the same question.

This came to my attention earlier today

Egypt and Obama: 5 Stunning Pictures Banned by the Mainstream Media

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/07/egypt-and-obama-5-stunning-pictures-banned-by-the-mainstream-media-2453270.html

And I contacted Christian to move this thread...Paul is not on line right now.

johnf
3rd July 2013, 20:27
Good thread...I have the same question.

This came to my attention earlier today

Egypt and Obama: 5 Stunning Pictures Banned by the Mainstream Media

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/07/egypt-and-obama-5-stunning-pictures-banned-by-the-mainstream-media-2453270.html

And I contacted Christian to move this thread...Paul is not on line right now.

and that would be why it is so scantily covered in the US, lol.

jf

Team Zen
3rd July 2013, 20:34
Good thread...I have the same question.

This came to my attention earlier today

Egypt and Obama: 5 Stunning Pictures Banned by the Mainstream Media

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/07/egypt-and-obama-5-stunning-pictures-banned-by-the-mainstream-media-2453270.html

And I contacted Christian to move this thread...Paul is not on line right now.

Thank you! This brought a smile to my face and reaffirmed my intitial "dubiousness."

ThePythonicCow
3rd July 2013, 20:41
Oh gosh this is not in the right section... how do we move this to General discussion or whatever?


Contact Paul.
Chistian beat me to it -- thread has been moved to Current Events.

Thanks :).

Kimberley
3rd July 2013, 20:51
When reading the comments in the article I posted above I found a link to live video of Tahrir Square. Millions in the street...it is almost 11pm there...

http://www.times-standard.com/digitalextras/ci_23588344/live-egypt-protests-tahrir-square-military-deadline-closes

Kraut
3rd July 2013, 20:56
Good thread...I have the same question.

This came to my attention earlier today

Egypt and Obama: 5 Stunning Pictures Banned by the Mainstream Media

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/07/egypt-and-obama-5-stunning-pictures-banned-by-the-mainstream-media-2453270.html

And I contacted Christian to move this thread...Paul is not on line right now.
Wow, I wish that were allover the news. Thanks for sharing.

161803398
3rd July 2013, 21:09
I think there are strong forces supporting the people of Egypt to prevent civil war and stay united. They are certainly aware of what is going on in Syria. Obviously, the people had some help because they had the nice lasers and firecrackers and the Egyptian military helicopters taking pictures and carrying their flag. I understand there were several different groups who participated in the protest: some who wanted the help of the military and some who didn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?CxTAOEkzUCs

Sabrina
3rd July 2013, 21:17
Big news tonight...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23173794

3 July (2057 British Summer Time)


Army ousts Egypt's President Morsi

The head of Egypt's army has given a TV address, announcing that President Mohammed Morsi is no longer in office.

Gen Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said the constitution had been suspended and the chief justice of the constitutional court would take on Mr Morsi's powers.

Flanked by religious and opposition leaders, Gen Sisi said Mr Morsi had "failed to meet the demands of the Egyptian people".

Anti-Morsi protesters in Cairo gave a huge cheer in response to the speech.

The army's move to depose the president follows four days of mass street demonstrations against Mr Morsi, and an ultimatum issued by the military which expired on Wednesday afternoon.

TV stations belonging to Mr Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood went off air at the end of the speech and state news agency Mena said managers at the movement's Misr25 channel had been arrested.

Minutes later, a notice went up on Mr Morsi's Facebook page denouncing the army move as a "military coup".

The statement asked Egyptian citizens - both civilians and military - to "abide by the constitution and the law and not to respond to this coup".

The ousted leader's current whereabouts are unclear. However, earlier reports said security forces had imposed a travel ban on both him and other leading figures in the Muslim Brotherhood.

'Roadmap' for the future
General Sisi said on state TV that the armed forces could not stay silent and blind to the call of the Egyptian masses.

He spoke of a new roadmap for the future, and said that the chief justice of the Supreme Constitutional Court, Adli Mansour, would be given the task of "running the country's affairs during the transitional period until the election of a new president".

After Gen Sisi's address, both Pope Tawadros II - the head of the Coptic Church - and leading opposition figure Mohammed ElBaradei made short televised speeches about the new roadmap for Egypt's future which they had agreed with the army.

Mr ElBaradei said the roadmap aimed for national reconciliation and represented a fresh start to the January 2011 revolution.

"This roadmap has been drafted by honourable people who seek the interests, first and foremost, of the country," added Pope Tawadros.

Fireworks
The army is currently involved in a show of force, fanning out across Cairo and taking control of the capital, BBC correspondent Quentin Sommerville reports.

He described seeing eight armoured personnel carriers heading for Cairo University in Giza, where one of the main pro-Morsi demonstrations was being held.

The tens of thousands of anti-Morsi protesters on the streets of Cairo are now celebrating, with fireworks lighting up the night sky and car drivers honking their horns in excitement.

But Morsi supporters elsewhere in the city are reported to have shouted: "No to military rule.''

humanalien
3rd July 2013, 22:45
This is what every american needs to do.

We need o recall, all of our senators and congressmen
back to their home state and fire them all.

Then we need to march on the whitehouse and
physically remove obama the foreigner from office
and throw him in prison. Him and every government
employee that helped him.

If we sit around and do nothing for much longer,
we will no have any freedoms left and we will become
slaves to he government.

naste.de.lumina
3rd July 2013, 22:55
live
http://rt.com/on-air/opposition-rally-egypt-morsi/

crosby
3rd July 2013, 22:56
the US Gov., is ordering mandatory evacuation of all US Government personnel and families........

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-107889-US-orders-mandatory-evacuation-of-embassy-in-Cairo-

they do not want 'democracy' there. and this is plainly visible.....
warmest regards, corson

WhiteFeather
3rd July 2013, 23:01
There is something of incredible importance hidden under the Sphinx. The right paw i have heard. What they (TPTW) are doing in Egypt, is to create a huge smoke screen. This is my opinion. Call me crazy. I have been called much worse. ;)

Kimberley
3rd July 2013, 23:37
I just got back from doing errands and was listening to NPR (National Public Radio). NPR tends to be more right leaning as far as "news" goes however still main stream in my opinion. NPR is the only radio news I listen to. I do not ever listen to TV news.

So even though the military has taken over and the chief justice of the constitutional court is now the interim "leader" Mohammed Morsi is tweeting and posting on Face Book that he is not stepping down...???

Apparently the United States does not consider Egypt an ally and they do not consider them an enemy either (heard this on the news out of the mouth of Obama).

However there is talk about what the US might do...yet again why does the US have it's fingers in so many else's pies???

The supporters of Mohammed Morsi are not going to let up and they commit to being peaceful...so this is not over yet...

One last aside...even though I posted the link to the article with the anti Obama signs being displayed in Egypt I again say what I have said many time in this forum and other places. I like Obama...I think the PTW wanted Hillery to be elected and the number of Obama supporters out numbered her to such a degree that even fixed voting machines would not be able to tackle the numbers of Obama supporters.

I like Obama however know he has NO NO NO power...he is a pawn....

I know that the US presidency works like this... (warning many swear words in this 4 minute video...however fun IMHO and true)
KJPwM8nehkQ

Much love. peace, and fun to us all!!! :grouphug:

Off to Gloucester MA to see fireworks on 4th of July eve...

bogeyman
3rd July 2013, 23:40
It is a dangerous situation and what the country's regime could turn into, could be far worse than any in the middle east.

ghostrider
3rd July 2013, 23:41
my penny is, America put a puppet in charge and the masses are awake and want their own leader , not a person who is bought and paid for by blackmail and corruption ... look how much foreign aid goes to Egypt, it hasn't helped at all, just made US a little more poor ...end all foreign aid, take care of home first ... all these mass demonstrations , people taking responsibility for their country ...we approach the same thing here in the states ...

Wind
3rd July 2013, 23:53
There is something of incredible importance hidden under the Sphinx. The right paw i have heard. What they (TPTW) are doing in Egypt, is to create a huge smoke screen. This is my opinion. Call me crazy. I have been called much worse. ;)

Thank God that they got rid of the elite's pawns, Zahi Hawass and Mubarak. There is so much that they haven't told about to us the pyramids and everything else.

iTlIv9mqZRU

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[ Mod-addendum: The Egypt section with Robert Bauval begins at 0:39:55. - Paul. ]

MadMax1
3rd July 2013, 23:58
There is something of incredible importance hidden under the Sphinx. The right paw i have heard. What they (TPTW) are doing in Egypt, is to create a huge smoke screen. This is my opinion. Call me crazy. I have been called much worse. ;)

Correct their has been speculation over this for the last 15 to 20 years of a room under the right paw of the sphyinx i have an interest in ancient egyptions and watch and read alot about the egyption culture and what they built over the time they were in that area. In recent years they have done ground tests using specialised equipment and found that their is indeed a room their but with no noteable tunnels leading to it, well this is what the archeoligist say anyway that they have not yet found any tunnels leading to this space or room. This is how they have managed to find alot of other previously onknown tunnels and paths leading from the pyramids to the sphynx and the buildings surrounding it. If they have found an entrance to that chamber they have not published it anywhere my thought is the entrance is hidden somewhere on the sphynx itself. As for the egyption primeminister being ousted i do believe it was lead by the people tens of thousands have been protesting for the last 5 days and the number has grown, as to why the army has thrown support behind it i don't know their reason they stated is to stop bloodshed. I suppose we will have to see how it plays out over the next few weeks but the last time the army were in control it did not fair so well for the people.

161803398
4th July 2013, 00:06
This is some what was going on:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3268/egypt-attacks-on-christians

Supporting Fundamentalist Islamo-nazis is what the US, the Brits and others promote in the middle east and Africa and the Egyptians are wise to it.

"Mubarak was a ruthless dictator, but in some ways Morsi is even worse. Last month, for example, he appointed a former member of a terrorist group as governor of Luxor -- even though that same group once massacred scores of tourists in the same city. The outrage over the appointment was so loud that the tourism minister quit, and a few days later the new governor was forced to resign."

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/brinkley-don-t-defend-mohammed-morsi-1.5614094

blufire
4th July 2013, 00:11
Hey everybody,

The Egypt uprisings are taking over all attention on CNN, BBC, Skynews, Al Jezeera- I'm dubious as to what's going on...what are your thoughts? I'm curious to know perspectives...

My perspective in short. . . .

Significant step in the implementation of the Global. Government, One World Order, New World Order. . . What ever the term will be.

As I have said many times, in order for this new global system to be put in place all governments and power structures will be obliterated. All of them. . . Including all religion and financial structures

161803398
4th July 2013, 00:27
"It will be ironic indeed if the Obama administration’s recent release of $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt ends up, against the wishes of the Obama administration, being used to free the Egyptian people from the iron grip of the Islamists seeking to convert Egypt into a theocracy."

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/joseph-klein/egyptian-military-vs-morsi/

This makes me happy today.

Personally, I think the Egyptian people are their own power structure.

blufire
4th July 2013, 00:33
"It will be ironic indeed if the Obama administration’s recent release of $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt ends up, against the wishes of the Obama administration, being used to free the Egyptian people from the iron grip of the Islamists seeking to convert Egypt into a theocracy."

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/joseph-klein/egyptian-military-vs-morsi/

This makes me happy today.


Personally, I think the Egyptian people are their own power structure.

Exactly where do you think this 1.3 billion went?

161803398
4th July 2013, 00:36
probably some of it went to buy the firecrackers :)

Dennis Leahy
4th July 2013, 01:42
Quasi-theocratic "democratically elected" ruler, deposed by a military coup. It appeared to be a people's uprising, an outrageously huge one (possibly involving as much as 20% of the citizens in Egypt!), but I suspect they saw that they had the clout but not the power, and the Egyptian military (said to have sided with the people) stepped-in and "closed the deal" the way that (sometimes) only a military can: and some are simply calling it a "coup."

Remember when "Drake" was saying that a US military coup (though he insisted that was the wrong name) was going to arrest the US bad guys? Many of us (me included!) had to admit it might just be the only way that a regime change could happen the the United Snakes of Amerikka, Inc.

Al Jazeera is reporting that the Egyptian military has shut down the transparency of the transfer of power.
http://rt.com/news/aljazeera-channels-forced-egypt-635/

Al Jazeera’s Egyptian broadcast has been taken off the air. Both Reuters and Al Jazeera itself reported that security forces raided Cairo offices and detained at least five staff members.

Karim El-Assiuti has told Reuters his colleagues at the Al Jazeera Mubasher Misr channel were arrested while working at their studio. The station was prevented from broadcasting from a pro-Morsi rally, and a broadcasting crew was detained.
Dennis

gripreaper
4th July 2013, 01:56
Quasi-theocratic "democratically elected" ruler, deposed by a military coup. It appeared to be a people's uprising, an outrageously huge one (possibly involving as much as 20% of the citizens in Egypt!), but I suspect they saw that they had the clout but not the power, and the Egyptian military (said to have sided with the people) stepped-in and "closed the deal" the way that (sometimes) only a military can: and some are simply calling it a "coup."

Remember when "Drake" was saying that a US military coup (though he insisted that was the wrong name) was going to arrest the US bad guys? Many of us (me included!) had to admit it might just be the only way that a regime change could happen the the United Snakes of Amerikka, Inc.

Al Jazeera is reporting that the Egyptian military has shut down the transparency of the transfer of power.
http://rt.com/news/aljazeera-channels-forced-egypt-635/

Al Jazeera’s Egyptian broadcast has been taken off the air. Both Reuters and Al Jazeera itself reported that security forces raided Cairo offices and detained at least five staff members.

Karim El-Assiuti has told Reuters his colleagues at the Al Jazeera Mubasher Misr channel were arrested while working at their studio. The station was prevented from broadcasting from a pro-Morsi rally, and a broadcasting crew was detained.
Dennis

Well, the US military does the bidding of the elite around the world, as paid mercenaries, and would need to stand with the people, but the people in the US don't really see much of a problem with the way things are.

The difference between Egypt and the US is Egyptians aren't drinking the kool aid but Americans are.

ghostrider
4th July 2013, 02:01
There is something of incredible importance hidden under the Sphinx. The right paw i have heard. What they (TPTW) are doing in Egypt, is to create a huge smoke screen. This is my opinion. Call me crazy. I have been called much worse. ;)

a hidden passage leading to a huge room , that once housed a giant disk, the ancient ET's were using technology to give people visions of god and control them, they were captured 1978 and the disk removed but , the visions technology and the telenotic impulses will linger for 200 yrs ... maybe someone found the chamber ...it was a base used by ET's for 113,000 yrs ... these ET's attacked the semjase silver star center in switzerland not knowing there was a cloaked plejaren ship in the line of fire, the plejaren captured them , deported them to a prison planet , and removed their technology ...the Y shaped cross, the nails, and the crown of thorns lay in there, props to use to control mankind with religion, they say Immanuel survived and lived in India to be 132 yrs old, the tomb had a hidden passage way ...Indian shaman nursed him back to health, he had a wife and two children there after ... dirty little secret the vatican doesn't want out ... believe what you want ...

161803398
4th July 2013, 03:02
I think a lot of people in the US do see there is a problem (aside from the dunderheads who think the 4th of July is all about beer) but the US still isn't one people as Egypt is. They view themselves as "one hand" as they say. There are so many divisions in America...and with the way the police act in America its obvious there is a significant US/THEM mentality that would interfere with any kind of united front.

I didn't see hear anything about the police in Egypt interfering with the protest..whereas they did before. I don't know what happened to them unless they finally realized too what had to be done.

WhiteFeather
4th July 2013, 03:03
There is something of incredible importance hidden under the Sphinx. The right paw i have heard. What they (TPTW) are doing in Egypt, is to create a huge smoke screen. This is my opinion. Call me crazy. I have been called much worse. ;)

Thank God that they god rid of the elite's pawns, Zahi Hawass and Mubarak. There is so much that they haven't told about to us the pyramids and everything else.

iTlIv9mqZRU

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[ Mod-addendum: The Egypt section with Robert Bauval begins at 0:39:55. - Paul. ]

I would love to see Graham Hancock and John Anthony West take over The Egyptian Antiquities Cabinet. Wow that would be incredible wouldnt it?

Sidney
4th July 2013, 03:21
Military coup sweeps through Egypt

In Washington, President Obama issued a statement Wednesday night saying the administration was "deeply concerned" by the decision to remove Morsi and urged the military to avoid "any arbitrary arrests" of the president and his supporters.
Obama also said in light of Morsi's ouster he had "directed the relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. law for our assistance to the government of Egypt."


Obama SHOULD be deeply concerned, caz he could (should) be next. And IMO, its none of Obamas business what goes on over there. If the people say, Morsi is not worthy, then so be it. Same goes for Obama.:wizard:

Kimberley
4th July 2013, 03:34
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/03/obama-issues-statement-on-egypt/



4 hours ago
Obama issues statement on Egypt

CNN) - President Barack Obama called on the Egyptian military late Wednesday to "move quickly" and return full authority back to "a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible."

Read his full statement below.

As I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States supports a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, protection of universal human rights, and reform that meets the legitimate aspirations of the people. The United States does not support particular individuals or political parties, but we are committed to the democratic process and respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in Egypt began, we have called on all parties to work together to address the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the democratic process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force.

The United States is monitoring the very fluid situation in Egypt, and we believe that ultimately the future of Egypt can only be determined by the Egyptian people. Nevertheless, we are deeply concerned by the decision of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsy and suspend the Egyptian constitution. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsy and his supporters. Given today’s developments, I have also directed the relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. law for our assistance to the Government of Egypt.

The United States continues to believe firmly that the best foundation for lasting stability in Egypt is a democratic political order with participation from all sides and all political parties —secular and religious, civilian and military. During this uncertain period, we expect the military to ensure that the rights of all Egyptian men and women are protected, including the right to peaceful assembly, due process, and free and fair trials in civilian courts. Moreover, the goal of any political process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, majority and minority; that institutionalizes the checks and balances upon which democracy depends; and that places the interests of the people above party or faction. The voices of all those who have protested peacefully must be heard – including those who welcomed today’s developments, and those who have supported President Morsy. In the interim, I urge all sides to avoid violence and come together to ensure the lasting restoration of Egypt’s democracy.

No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it must stay true to the will of the people. An honest, capable and representative government is what ordinary Egyptians seek and what they deserve. The longstanding partnership between the United States and Egypt is based on shared interests and values, and we will continue to work with the Egyptian people to ensure that Egypt’s transition to democracy succeeds.


As I already said...Obama is a puppet and saying what he says to keep the puppet master from killing him and his family...However I am so tired of the US putting it's fingers in other countries pies...

:grouphug:

jagman
4th July 2013, 04:13
I feel happy for the Egyptian people they spoke in one loud clear voice They will not be ruled by a tyrant.
Be happy tonight Egypt, celebrate your independence. Choose a good leader.

jagman
4th July 2013, 04:27
Kimberley, However I am so tired of the US putting it's fingers in other countries pies...

I like pies Kimberley,can we just leave the pies out of it lol

Mulder
4th July 2013, 07:47
the US Gov., is ordering mandatory evacuation of all US Government personnel and families........

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-107889-US-orders-mandatory-evacuation-of-embassy-in-Cairo-

they do not want 'democracy' there. and this is plainly visible.....
warmest regards, corson

I agree, but there'll be a better chance of freedom for Egyptians without American bureaucrats/personnel!

Kraut
4th July 2013, 07:57
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/03/obama-issues-statement-on-egypt/



4 hours ago
Obama issues statement on Egypt...As I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States supports a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, protection of universal human rights, and reform that meets the legitimate aspirations of the people. The United States does not support particular individuals or political parties, but we are committed to the democratic process and respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in Egypt began, we have called on all parties to work together to address the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the democratic process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force...

As I already said...Obama is a puppet and saying what he says to keep the puppet master from killing him and his family...However I am so tired of the US putting it's fingers in other countries pies...

:grouphug:

I agree with you, Obama is a puppet and though I have no respect for him at all I don't understand why so many focus all their frustration and hate on him. Most of them had no problems with the mess his predecessor created.

When I read the above part of his statement I can't help but...

http://pichost.de/images/2013/07/04/g5SU4.jpg

I am so tired of all these empty and twisted words that political leaders use.

naste.de.lumina
4th July 2013, 08:54
Some photos of people with posters I have not posted because they are confusing the administration (government) to the country. It's a complicated situation.


8 Photos Anti-Obama protests in Tahrir Square that you probably have not seen in the American media


http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-003.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-010.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-020.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-030.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-050.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-054.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-070.jpg


africa
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/130701-obama-egypt-africa-010.jpg

service2others
4th July 2013, 09:19
Revolution=Evolution

Chuck
4th July 2013, 09:53
My 2c is that no matter what happens, the Suez Canal will be kept in Western interests and control. If existing powers do not comply or threaten the stability of oil and military shipping lanes in any way, they will be replaced.

Nick Matkin
4th July 2013, 13:18
Interesting photos. Thanks.

However, rather than indulge in any speculation from a Western view-point, or repeat ANYTHING from Western media, why not do what any decent journalist (a vanishing breed unfortunately) would do...

That is - stop discussing invented conspiracy theories and seek out a range of Egytians who are living through and driving the situation. Ask THEM what's really going on.

How else would you find the truth?

Nick

Kimberley
4th July 2013, 14:52
This Mind-Blowing Video Of The Egyptian Protests Is The Most Inspiring Thing You'll See Today

http://www.policymic.com/articles/52561/this-mind-blowing-video-of-the-egyptian-protests-is-the-most-inspiring-thing-you-ll-see-today


It's been dubbed "the biggest protest in Egypt's history" and it's showing no sign of losing steam anytime soon. The anti-government movement unfolding in Cairo has caught the attention of everyone around the world. Although the Internet is exploding with impressive images and photos from the streets of Egypt, the following footage truly illustrates the magnitude of the protests and it's utterly mind-blowing.

Vux_-vJvHww

Much love, peace, and fun to us all!!

Wind
4th July 2013, 15:05
Now that's what I call revolution!

H__7VSMrI0g

Operator
4th July 2013, 15:12
Remember: Earth is in a full revolution every day ... :p

gripreaper
4th July 2013, 15:21
This Mind-Blowing Video Of The Egyptian Protests Is The Most Inspiring Thing You'll See Today

http://www.policymic.com/articles/52561/this-mind-blowing-video-of-the-egyptian-protests-is-the-most-inspiring-thing-you-ll-see-today


It's been dubbed "the biggest protest in Egypt's history" and it's showing no sign of losing steam anytime soon. The anti-government movement unfolding in Cairo has caught the attention of everyone around the world. Although the Internet is exploding with impressive images and photos from the streets of Egypt, the following footage truly illustrates the magnitude of the protests and it's utterly mind-blowing.

Vux_-vJvHww

Much love, peace, and fun to us all!!

The energy of intention going out into the universe is riveting, exposing the lies and awakening the world to the truth of tyranny. Let all truths come out into the light of day, and let every sentient being declare that we have had enough and no longer wish to be slaves to the elite patriarchy of scarcity, but are choosing to honor and respect each other in full compassion. Release free energy and abundance!

While we Americans enjoy our families in celebration of Independence day, let us be mindful of what is occurring in Egypt and understand that we are not free and independent, and that the United States is a corporation owned by the same terrorists who are attempting to own Egypt.

It really is time to shine the light of truth on the few interlopers who came from the skies and laid claim to this planet, and absconded our very indigenous heritage and our very DNA for their own nefarious purposes.

To believe and act otherwise acquiesces to tyranny, ignores the truths of history and relinquishes one's sovereignty and power to another.

ulli
4th July 2013, 17:45
Not quite a thought of mine, but I found this one interesting:

http://i.imgur.com/n7Kh7qu.jpg

Wind
5th July 2013, 01:24
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q72/s720x720/11514_543501475711435_184205841_n.jpg

Dennis Leahy
5th July 2013, 15:05
Some insights from a very bright friend of mine on Fazebook:


It looks like we will be hearing more about the Egyptian revolution. On the one hand, we have an overwhelming popular support for ousting of the president Morsi with biggest demonstrations in history.

I asked my FB friend, an activist Mahmoud Fouad (https://www.facebook.com/mahmoud.fouad3?directed_target_id=0) who is reporting from Egypt:

"Hi Mahmoud, thank you for reporting about the situation there. I am trying to figure out a bit more about the role of the military... The obvious perspective is that people's movement should be based on principles of humanity not on the military might. How do people reconcile that and what is the exact involvement of the military in the revolutionary process?"

Mahmoud: "The ‎#June30 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/june30) is all based on the principle of humanity brought by the people and for the people ..The military only stepping in to avoid the very predictable blood shed between pro anti-Government, that's what've been stated anyways ..I believe the Egyptian people have all learned the lesson from the ‎#Jan25 (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/jan25) revolution that the ‎#SCAF (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/scaf) can't be trusted due to long history with the previous regime and its history of oppression in this country. So basically the role of military here is to protect and guarantee the peaceful transition of authority relying on the authority and legitimacy of people regardless the so-called legitimacy of the president. Because democracy is about more than a ballot-box and a constitution that has been cooked to suite the ruling ‎#MB (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/mb) and guarantees its existence.

I hope this answers your question Hiroyuki.

‎#Power_to_the_people (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/power_to_the_people)!"

You can get update from Mahmoud from: https://twitter.com/DrMahmoud_Fouad (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FDrMahmoud_Fouad&h=BAQGkh8Ms&s=1)

Here is a good article on popular support for the revolution:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/egyptian-identity-stupid.html?fb_action_ids=10151728280191678&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582 via Pepe Escobar


And on the other hand, some are expressing an undeniable concern about the military which has reigned much of the modern history of Egypt with the support of US government. For example, Pepe Escobar (https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377?directed_target_id=0) says:

"THE MILITARY COUP IN EGYPT IN A NUTSHELL:

General Sisi, the coup leader, was a military attache in Saudi Arabia. So the House of Saud wins, the emir of Qatar (and the new boy-emir) lose. Most of all the Pentagon wins, because the military will keep running the show, as they did for six decades. Poor Egyptians".

Also from Pepe Escobar:

"the Obama administration was totally cool and dandy with the Qatar-financed Muslim Brotherhood. Look at the White House reaction; "only the Egyptian people" can determine their future; right, so why not "the Syrian people"? Washington is "deeply concerned" by the military coup - as if Washington was EVER concerned by ANY military coup. Obama also said the US was "reviewing the implications" of the coup. Code for: we'll give you some cash, but you do as you're told. Final point: Morsi went down a few days after practically endorsing a jihad in Syria. And the Obamites would love a Muslim Brotherhood government in Syria. Listen to the sound of my laughter booming across the South China Sea".

Also, this is from Jonathan Steele of Guardian:

"It is true that the Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters are social conservatives who may pose a threat to some Egyptians' civil rights. But the biggest and most immediate danger to the country is to the political rights that all Egyptians won with the overthrow of Mubarak. The abolition of one-party rule, the right of all kinds of political groups to organise freely, the lifting of media censorship, and the virtual curtailment of imprisonment for dissent are benefits that should not be abandoned lightly.

Those who believe that the military's main objective is to preserve the new freedoms will soon be disappointed. From Chile in 1973 to Pakistan in 1999 (and several times before that), long is the history of military takeovers that were welcomed in their first hours and days but regretted in the years of despair that followed. For Egypt to follow in that tradition is a disaster".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/03/egypt-coup-ruinous-army via Stan Moore (https://www.facebook.com/stan.moore.31?directed_target_id=0)

I sincerely hope a better future for the Egyptian people!Dennis

turiya
5th July 2013, 16:15
When reading the comments in the article I posted above I found a link to live video of Tahrir Square. Millions in the street...it is almost 11pm there...

http://www.times-standard.com/digitalextras/ci_23588344/live-egypt-protests-tahrir-square-military-deadline-closes

The Coup Is Complete: Egypt Military Tells Mursi He Is No Longer President - Tahrir Celebrates - Live Feed
Tyler Durden's picture
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/03/2013 14:56 -0400


Another live feed...

Live feeds from Cairo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbL_q1i7-Pk
SOURCE: ZeroHedge.com (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-03/coup-complete-egypt-military-tells-mursi-he-no-longer-president)

turiya :cool:

TargeT
5th July 2013, 16:48
Those who believe that the military's main objective is to preserve the new freedoms will soon be disappointed. From Chile in 1973 to Pakistan in 1999 (and several times before that), long is the history of military takeovers that were welcomed in their first hours and days but regretted in the years of despair that followed. For Egypt to follow in that tradition is a disaster".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/03/egypt-coup-ruinous-army via Stan Moore (https://www.facebook.com/stan.moore.31?directed_target_id=0)


so, biggest protest ever for a military coup that is basically more of the same?

sorta puts the whole "protest" action into perspective (protesting doesn't actually do anything apparently).

time will tell I suppose, but waiting for that is how we got to this point also; is this a case of trying to solve the same problem with the same tactic (over and over and over) and getting the same result?

with the emmense crowds and emotional charge that has to be present in Tahrir right now, I wonder.... is this a buffet of some sort?

is this a "pump and dump" for emotional energy, a feeding orgy for energetic vamperic entities, or just more mundane political trickery?

M0JFK
5th July 2013, 20:50
Maybe people are just tired of oppression? I mean, who wouldn't want true freedom?

Who would not want true freedom? That question is easy it is the Americans.

Us British have never had it so we don't know any better.

M0JFK
5th July 2013, 20:54
If the people don't take the power and become active in it from then on then its pointless. They will just end up with more banker run puppets either wearing a military uniform or not.

Kraut
5th July 2013, 20:55
Maybe people are just tired of oppression? I mean, who wouldn't want true freedom?

Who would not want true freedom? That question is easy it is the Americans.

Mate, it's not as if Brits and other Europeans are off better, eh?

TheMaskedMan
6th July 2013, 14:56
To overthrow a president you democratically elected 1 year ago is alarming to say the least.

meeradas
6th July 2013, 16:17
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jiminii
6th July 2013, 16:36
this can go the way we want it ... if we all decide it ... we have the combined power on this forum alone to do it ... the thing is ... they are getting attacked from all fronts ... and it might be NOW ... they are a bit afraid to stick their noses out any farther ... so this is where the people must carry it to the next step ...
how ....????

get me some really positive people like whitefeather and ulli and some of the mods .. and some of the natural clears I found on this website
all deciding to hold the space of the planet

just decide your space is covering the planet ... and let the spirit inside you DO WHAT IT KNOWS IT CAN DO ....

and with THAT ... we can let our combined POWER SPIRITUALLY WITHOUT WORDS ... JUST OUR KNOWINGNESS ... WE CAN MANAGE ALL THESE ENTITIES LIKE WE ONCE DID IN THE STARS BEFORE WE CAME HERE ...

we can do this ...

jim

jiminii
6th July 2013, 17:00
actually I have to thank everyone for their post ... even the negative posts ... it let me see what the next step is ... it is ok to postulate kicking the enemy out of power ,.. but at the same time he has hired all the biggest management people to create this mess ....

so you can knock out their space ... make them lose power in egypt and everywhere else ... but you must carry the entire responsibility too ... you must also decide you are with your own knowingness ... (this exceeds the time of this universe ... but there were universes before this one so that is A LOT OF KNOWINGINESS)

you can't see this KNOWINGNESS ,.. but you can SEE what it does ... when you drive a car down a windy mountain at high speeds and keep control of all of it ..

YOU KNOW .. and the BODY FOLLOWS IT ... it you had to CALCULATE IT ... with your mind you would NOT be able to control the car FAST enough ...

so with this KNOWINGNESS .. and ASSUMED SPACE .. the more space you can occupy the more power you can generate in that space ... so we have to cover ALL the VARIABLES ... YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON OFF THIS PLANET ... you just KNOW ... maybe this body doesn't know but the spirit KNOWS ... so let THAT PART THAT KNOWS .. DO WHAT IT KNOWS HOW TO DO ... you will get thoughts reflecting back from anything you are doing in that space ...

this is not EFFORT ... like DOING LONG PERIODS OF MEDITATION ...(not fast enough) ... this is REAL TIME ... just decide you KNOW how to do it .. OCCUPY the space of the Galaxy and PUT IN THE INTENTIONS of THE RESULT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN ON THIS PLANET ... AS THOUGH IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED ....

that IS the shortest time you can think or look at ... and LET THE BEING YOU ARE ... DO WHAT IT KNOWS IT CAN DO ....

do you get the idea?

jim

Knowrainknowrainbows!
7th July 2013, 23:44
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... Out of the mouth of babes!!!
Blessed child ... hope for the future is bright in his eyes!

KRKR

service2others
8th July 2013, 08:04
wonderful, people come together, no matter what side of the world you are on, the people must come together, and reclaim their sovereignty. The 1% must be routed.