A metaphor about abduction

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

Here's something that occurred today which may be a metaphor. It's also light relief, but might possibly prompt some thoughts.

At our hacienda we had, besides dozens of chickens, three birds which were surplus to requirements: a turkey, a goose, and a duck. (Sounds like a children's story.)

We didn't want to harm them, so we found them a good home -- someone who has lots of birds of all kinds roaming free on his property. So we had to catch them and transport them there.

Easier said than done. We tried to lure them into a horse trailer with trails of grain, but they were too smart and realised that something was up. (The goose, in particular, was very psychic and suspicious.) So we had to capture them.

My friend, who has an abundance of energy, chased them all over our property with a giant butterfly net. It was hilarious. Eventually, he caught them all, and we imprisoned them in the trailer. I then drove them to a rendezvous with the person who was happy to take them all. I returned about half an hour ago.

Moral of the story:

The birds were abducted by benevolent superior beings, with much higher technology and vision, who did not want to harm them. But from the birds' point of view, we are clearly evil (or self-serving, at best) and it was all a terrible trauma. It was impossible to explain to them what we were doing, or why. It was absolutely outside of their intellect and reality. All they wanted to do was escape.

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

:)

[DeDukshyn]

I believe that may also be a timely metaphor. Simple, yet obviously thought provoking ... thanks again.

[johnf]

The humans in the story were making adjustments to previous interventions
in the bird kingdom, where their ancestors found it necessary to domesticate the birds ancestors.
My take on the whole existence of humanoid species is that their task is to learn balance between intervening
with nature, and being agents of benevolent creation in nature. I like the term stewardship.

I have been involved with having groups of fowl around the house, there are many lessons there.
Happy chickens and ducks to all.

jf

[shadowstalker]

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Dear Friends,

Here's something that occurred today which may be a metaphor. It's also light relief, but might possibly prompt some thoughts.

At our hacienda we had, besides dozens of chickens, three birds which were surplus to requirements: a turkey, a goose, and a duck. (Sounds like a children's story.)

We didn't want to harm them, so we found them a good home -- someone who has lots of birds of all kinds roaming free on his property. So we had to catch them and transport them there.

Easier said than done. We tried to lure them into a horse trailer with trails of grain, but they were too smart and realised that something was up. (The goose, in particular, was very psychic and suspicious.) So we had to capture them.

My friend, who has an abundance of energy, chased them all over our property with a giant butterfly net. It was hilarious. Eventually, he caught them all, and we imprisoned them in the trailer. I then drove them to a rendezvous with the person who was happy to take them all. I returned about half an hour ago.

Moral of the story:

The birds were abducted by benevolent superior beings, with much higher technology and vision, who did not want to harm them. But from the birds' point of view, we are clearly evil (or self-serving, at best) and it was all a terrible trauma. It was impossible to explain to them what we were doing, or why. It was absolutely outside of their intellect and reality. All they wanted to do was escape.

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

:)

I had been trying to explain that to many ppl at many times,(Good Sense)
But unfortunately we have the other side of the coin, as well
The problem is trying to separate the two..
It's the fear factor and circumstance (so many) that can literally make the difference.
And so many are blind to it. for just that reason.

[naste.de.lumina]

Nice story.
Well, if the birds had a forum, they would probably also be able to take a few shots at his friend.
To think about.
Hug.

[Gardener]

I guess the dilemma of the birds (given consciousness of a kind relative to birds) might be... "Is this intervention for taking us to a good home, or to the meat market." They are wired for survival like us and without the human faculty of reason I guess the option is survival.

[gripreaper]

From the birds point of view, sounds like it turned out pretty well. Instead of being poked, prodded, DNA spliced, hybridized, or killed and eaten, all that really happened was a little inconvenience caused by their benevolent overlords.

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

[Bill Ryan]

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Not at all. :)

As Shadowstalker said (perfectly!) in post #4 above:



But unfortunately we have the other side of the coin, as well
The problem is trying to separate the two..

Some birds (and animals) are 'abducted' to improve their lot (of them as individuals, or alternatively of their species). Others are taken to the biolabs for experimentation, or to the slaughterhouse.

[gripreaper]

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Not at all. :)

As Shadowstalker said (perfectly!) in post #4 above:



But unfortunately we have the other side of the coin, as well
The problem is trying to separate the two..

Some birds (and animals) are 'abducted' to improve their lot (of them as individuals, or alternatively of their species). Others are taken to the biolabs for experimentation, or to the slaughterhouse.

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.

Makes me wonder if Montauk, Dulce and Area 51 are our benevolent "means to an end" net chasing and trailer ride, and that there is a design bigger than our pea brains can comprehend.

[johnf]

From the birds point of view, sounds like it turned out pretty well. Instead of being poked, prodded, DNA spliced, hybridized, or killed and eaten, all that really happened was a little inconvenience caused by their benevolent overlords.

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.

Makes me wonder if Montauk, Dulce and Area 51 are our benevolent "means to an end" benevolent overlords and that there is a design bigger than our pea brains can comprehend.

I don't think he is saying anything in particular about any intervening species.
I find the story good food for thought.
To be honest I have never found good reason to think that (as a duck) I know what the humans are up to.
When I find myself in a position to intervene for my own goals, I will consider the possible plight of the subjects.
When I find my self a duck, I make the best of the situation, which in this case seems to be greener pastures.
If I find myself in browner pastures, thew task remains the same.

jf

[DouglasDanger]

The Foul forums would be inundated with disinfo making sure the chickens get blamed so a very foul war starts lasting years.... "Chic' Kaaaaaahhhnnn! " Captain Drake screams ( or honks) at the sky, while holding his loved one in his arms. Naturally the birds would blame the other birds and not the human/benevolant overlords who moved them..

[Shadowman]

Hi Bill,

If you haven't yet seen this, prepare to die laughing, (or crying, depending on your point of view).

If you don't have a spare 8 mins (and let's face it, who does these days), just watch from the 5.00 min mark onwards;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5jZNS-fdY


Cheers
tim


PS Given how humans treat other species, in most cases unecessarily, where is the imbalance should the following be the case?

From The Active Side of Infinity [page 219] "There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

“One farmer says to me, 'You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with;' and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.”

“When we are unhurried and wise, we perceive that only great and worthy things have any permanent and absolute existence, that petty fears and petty pleasures are but the shadow of the reality.” ― Henry David Thoreau, Walden

(With Thanks to Justintime #35 ;))

[wobbegong]

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... At our hacienda we had, besides dozens of chickens, three birds which were surplus to requirements: ...

Thankyou Bill, excellent story and food-for-thought.
The first thought that came into my mind was: "...well, considering the problem of overpopulation, 'surplus' is definitely an issue...and I sure wouldn't like to be considered surplus!"
The very next thought was about 'our hacienda'. I hope that this planet is not an ET hacienda, so if it is not, then no ET should come here and define some of us 'surplus'.

If Earth is an ET hacienda...well then the moral of the story is clear...:(

[Roisin]

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

I think they would work themselves up into a huge stramash and plan out a strategic attack on humanity that will make those attack scene's in "The Birds" look like a routine seasonal fly-by on their way to the tropics. (note to self: buy a hard-hat and a good pair of googles too!):p
-- Additional thoughts --
On a more serious note, that story certainly DOES put things into perspective. The only thing I can think of is that what we see as negative in the abduction phenomenon and why they do the things they do, their reasons for why they do it may be far too complex for human comprehension, regardless, should this be the case, if their intentions are honorable and have something to do with our well-being and what they believe is best for us. This may be one of the reasons why they've never held a press conference to explain themselves to us let alone even show themselves to the general public to let everybody know that they exist and, in fact, are here.

[AriG]

As an expert chicken catcher, I can so relate to this story. How their little bodies vibrate in fear when you have them tucked under your arm to safely transport them to their destination. Their world is so insulated to outside influence and although we provide them with fodder and fluids, when we scoop them up to provide care or transport, we are indeed the alien life form abducting them from the safety of their world. Chicken little's we are alas.

[blufire]

From the birds point of view, sounds like it turned out pretty well. Instead of being poked, prodded, DNA spliced, hybridized, or killed and eaten, all that really happened was a little inconvenience caused by their benevolent overlords.

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Gees grip. . .I think you need to read my posts again. Your statement about what you think I believe and understand is way off base. Starting with I have never said they are benevolent OR evil. This is dualistic human genetic ingrained thinking.

Great metaphor Bill. . . Had me laughing especially with the net, I have done the exact same thing.

Next time wait until its dark and the birds go to roost. You can walk right up to them and pick them up. Perhaps another abduction metaphor ??

[johnf]

Next time wait until its dark and the birds go to roost. You can walk right up to them and pick them up. Perhaps another abduction metaphor ??

We have an experienced bird abductor among us .

[RunningDeer]

Misunderstood instructions, so replaced that with this.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/A-funny-goose-wearing-shoes-2_thumb_zps2e4e2c97.jpg

[norman]

http://i.imgur.com/kGPCAnj.jpg

[Wind]

What about birds like this?

http://funnyasduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/funny-albert-duckstein-afro-duck-pics.jpg

[Roisin]

What about birds like this?

http://funnyasduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/funny-albert-duckstein-afro-duck-pics.jpg

Would you mind if I loan this photo to a psychologist? I think he would have a different interpretation of it than what yours is. :flypig:

PS -- Don't mind me, I was only joking -- just my weird American humor. I think that photo is very funny! ;)

[Bubu]

The birds are wise enough to know that humans eat birds. Although they are not wise enough to know what it is (intention) now
at your story.

[Bright Garlick]

Yes, yes and yes.

Chicken man says thanks Bill ! :playball:

[Curt]

Here's a picture of the 'chicken man' from AMC's Breaking Bad. ;)

A master at seeming charitable and benevolent, his character runs the underground meth empire in the series. A more sinister character there has never been.


http://willopines.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/gus-yellow.jpg

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I am pretty sure that if there is good intent a superior intellect with corresponding superior emotional/spiritual intelligence can find the right way to explain the things that they are doing in a way someone could understand, if they cant I consider it bringing a roll of duct tape ( pun intended) to a date or saying the lord works in mysterious ways, a nice conversation stopper for three year olds, scaring people into submission ( or anything else living for that matter) is not the right way to go.

If they have to disguise/ shape shift or whatever the hell else they have in their arsenal to achieve their goals, something stinks and they try to keep me away for having a say in the matter, I am missing the being taken seriously by them in that case, weird eh, they could consider us to be nothing but lab rats, yet I myself don't feel that that furry and treadmilly at all, so there is a difference in perspective here.

NEVER without my permission and me remembering I gave you permission, if that's to much to ask its like a GHB induced date rape as far as I am concerned, I would like to have been given a choice and remembering the conversation. And show me what's in it for me RIGHT NOW, what do I get to look forward to, one sided business deals piss me off every single time and its less likely I am willing to co operate. An answer like "well Eddy boy, its for the preservation of mankind in a distant future" can still f@ck up your and my life, right now, they would have to do better than that imo, two sides to their coin is fine by me, I also have two sides to my coins and it should be respected. NO means NO until it becomes a yes, some convincing and payment for delivered services of my part should be required, I'll make it worth your while if you make it worth mine. This is not service to selve or to others, this means service to each other, thank you for your business, I look forward to seeing you again soon, that's doing good business imo.

If the case happened to be "as above so below" it appears we get screwed below as well as above, and I have little confidence in them.

[ViralSpiral]

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

:)



This is next......


http://androidspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Angry-Birds-Star-Wars.png


Thanks for the chuckle and mind jog :)

[Sérénité]

I guess birds, much like humans are wary as they know not every living thing has compassion?

To the birds with no superior brain power but just mere survival instincts, they class all us humans as a threat. To them we are superior, ruthless, hungry and they feel below us in the food chain and the pecking order.

Just like the birds, until we are disclosed the genuine motives and reasons behind abduction, how as humans are we to trust we are being taken by compassionate beings for our better purpose and not as guinea pigs for some giant experiment or for various other ulterior motives?

If birds had forums, I think maybe they would be saying much the same as us, jeez how do you know who you can trust around here and what are these beings motives???

[Nanoo Nanoo]

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Dear Friends,

Here's something that occurred today which may be a metaphor. It's also light relief, but might possibly prompt some thoughts.

At our hacienda we had, besides dozens of chickens, three birds which were surplus to requirements: a turkey, a goose, and a duck. (Sounds like a children's story.)

We didn't want to harm them, so we found them a good home -- someone who has lots of birds of all kinds roaming free on his property. So we had to catch them and transport them there.

Easier said than done. We tried to lure them into a horse trailer with trails of grain, but they were too smart and realised that something was up. (The goose, in particular, was very psychic and suspicious.) So we had to capture them.

My friend, who has an abundance of energy, chased them all over our property with a giant butterfly net. It was hilarious. Eventually, he caught them all, and we imprisoned them in the trailer. I then drove them to a rendezvous with the person who was happy to take them all. I returned about half an hour ago.

Moral of the story:

The birds were abducted by benevolent superior beings, with much higher technology and vision, who did not want to harm them. But from the birds' point of view, we are clearly evil (or self-serving, at best) and it was all a terrible trauma. It was impossible to explain to them what we were doing, or why. It was absolutely outside of their intellect and reality. All they wanted to do was escape.

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

:)

hallebloodylugiah !

someone with some sencical perspective. thank you bill

i look at animals sometimes , i study instects , i am curious about their lives .. i have no way to communicate to them except make a funny noise ( like im calling a cat , not that its ever worked unless i have a tin of sardines ) thinking thats going to attract them for a hug .. i mean seriously , what possum would want a hug .. if you tried to hug a possum it would scratch your eyes out.

But hugging is our custom isnt it ? its a sign of respect and affection. Yeah but to them its a sign they are about to get eaten so they react without truly knowing .. and maybe we are upset by this .. some walk away .. others get a shot gun when they are regected ..

yeah great

as above so below .. the model of scientific observation goes all the way down from us to the microscopic level all the way up to the giants in the bean stalk looking down at us through their microscopes..

the ones above think we have no idea and the ones below we think have no idea and we state we are higher in evolution than they are.. when its possibly the opposite ..



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[DarMar]

Great metaphor!

It talks well about perception of things, and shows us good technique to look back at our actions.. This is excatly great way for widening perspective.
We are here mumbling amongst many things about microchiping and in meantime 90% of pet owners microchiped their pets because they love them!

This methaporical language could be way for better understanding of things

[Jake]

Yes, I think about that a lot.. Perhaps part of the 'problem' would be that the goose does NOT agree with your assessment of who has the right to claim the area to live on... However, the geese, ducks, etc.. are better at living as 'one' with the earth and their natural environment, and therefore, quite a bit more adaptable.. interesting how the other birds will follow the goose, no? Our geese and ducks will climb in yer lap and cuddle! An anomaly?? We have shown them nothin' but love,, and a unique relationship has developed. However, these birds are, now, completely dependent on us,, and will never question our motives... An interesting analogy.. It shows that the nature of the universe has more to do with existing as 'relationships', or 'systems' rather than finite individual points!! We all need each other, the goose, the duck, the chickens,,, the humans,, even Chimbo, the alpaca!!! (I now Chimbo is watching!!) :peep:

[Dennis Leahy]

Add this twist: the abductor feels and believes he is benevolent. (In this case, it is pretty cut and dry, and I believe Bill's assessment.) But how many scientists have studied a situation to the best of their ability, and made an assessment that an animal or group of animals needed to be [___________] <--- (fill-in the blank: relocated, euthanized, radio collared, experimented upon, etc.)

They are certainly not always correct, even if they think they are. Part of the problem with believing that one is superior to another, and knows what's best. Could it very well be that many alien abductions have been done by beings that believe they are superior and that believe what they are doing is in the best interest of the human subject or even humanity - but are flat wrong?

As I said, just a twist. I did 'get' Bill's intent with his analogy.

Dennis

[Kryztian]

I hike in a state park and see a lot of deer, and often think of them in terms of the alien abduction metaphor. Some humans (rangers, for example) do abduct them to put a tag on them or bring them to another park. Others humans bearing crossbows actually do hunt them for their meat. But the majority of humans do not come into contact with them and either regard the deer from a distance with admiration or just indifference. So there are many humans with different motives and attitudes, but to the deer, we are one species and they must see us as all the same. One thing that does bond us humans, is that we are all subject to the same law, that would restrict what we humans, predatory or altruistic, can do.

See how one species, homo sapiens, brings so many different objectives in their interactions with the deer, now imagine aliens, who are of diverse life forms and intelligence, and who hail from vastly different parts of the universe - the different objectives multiply. Imagine too, that these advanced life forms do not want to be at war with each other and have negotiated treaties and conventions that stipulate how civilizations like ours may be interacted with. Perhaps there are aliens out there that would intervene to treat us more benevolently, or those who would treat human beings like the cattle that are killed in mutilation scenarios, but, their interaction with us are governed by laws and customs that span solar systems and galaxies and different intelligent civilizations and life forms.

Another metaphor might be to think of 1492 and imagine you are a Native American and wonder who these aliens arriving in ships really are and what do they want. There were the "selfish ones " who wanted gold, land and other resources. And then there were the "benevolent ones" that want to bring spiritual upliftment through their religion. We later saw the "benevolent ones" burning heretics and the stake and snatching away children from their parent to put them in boarding schools where they would learn "not to be savages." Meanwhile, some of the "selfish ones" taught the Natives how engage in trade and commerce and provided them with new beneficial technologies that did improve their lives.

My point is that whoever it is out there, they are a complex bunch with a host of objectives and intentions that may take centuries to understand. When contact becomes an everyday reality, we will need to regard them with both respect and politeness, but also with healthy suspicion.

[Ki's]

Can I offer a slightly different take on the 'superior species' thing?

Yesterday, while hoeing a row in my garden, I disrupted an ant colony. I paused to watch them scurry around trying to save eggs and regroup and my first thought was..."Whoa, it's an ant Apocalypse!"

I continued to watch and now they were carrying off the dead and wounded. I couldn't say if that was out of concern for fallen brothers, or a sense of general tidiness or maybe even food storage.

I had a momentary twinge of guilt, even though I had every intention of continuing to hoe down that row. Still, I couldn't shake the nagging sense that I had just destroyed a civilization for one reason and one reason only.....They were in my way.

That led, inevitably to ... well, I suppose I don't even need to state where THAT led.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.

Makes me wonder if Montauk, Dulce and Area 51 are our benevolent "means to an end" net chasing and trailer ride, and that there is a design bigger than our pea brains can comprehend.

If the aliens are benevolent, I'd expect them to communicate with us openly and respect our free will choices instead of suddenly popping in from another reality then manipulating and scaring humans.

[Justintime]

This thread's metaphor is a rip off of the great Henry David Thoreau. I believe the quote comes from Walden. I'm looking for it now. I'll post it when I find or if someone knows what I'm talking about and can beat me too it, have at it. I'm enjoying rereading Walden though.

[Mike]

I honestly don't know if this fishing analogy is mine or if I heard it somewhere...

...but consider the fish. he has been caught, poked, prodded and measured by a superior species for reasons he cannot comprehend. he is mysteriously returned to the water, where he reunites with his fellow fish, and the story of his strange abduction is related. very profound theories are bandied about as to the purpose of the abduction and experiments. none of the fish quite know why it occurred, but most all are in agreement over it's colossal cosmic significance.

if a million years went by, (and the fish could speak, yes;)) not a one of them would suggest that a bunch of beer guzzling humans with nothing better to do indulged in a hobby known as "fishing", a sport requiring minimal physical exertion and even less mental exertion. hardly spiritual and almost purposeless, it was simply a way for these men to avoid their wives for a day or 2...

nobody knows why these alien abductions occur. it would be silly to say all abductions are benevolent, just as it would be silly to say they are all malevolent. perhaps they are neither, and perhaps they hold very little significance, but are simply a way for some other-dimensional pranksters trapped in our space/time to whittle away their lives. we all want to attach great meaning to these events, but perhaps it's time to embrace the existential crisis, ya know?:) John Keel speaks extensively on this theory in his book, 'The Mothman Prophecies'.

I can appreciate Bill's example as it applies to the benevolent ET's that most of us feel exist. and yet i'm reminded of Charles Fort, who said: "if there is a true universal mind, must it be sane?"

[johnf]

So after looking at the metaphor from all sorts of angles.
Let us look at the similarities between us, and the external humanoid species.
We can affect all of nature, including other humanoid species as we prepare to move into
the surrounding communities, that have been influencing us in ways we can barely really understand.
Also we are on the verge of learning our greater internal nature, and with that probably even greater means of affecting each other and all other species.
Given all that what effects are we choosing to cause on all these things.
That is something that we can actually know without analogies.

jf

[Justintime]

I know it seems petty, but Thoreau really inspired me to seek out wisdom. Without him the total number of books I would have read would be like two, and that's pushing it. I hated reading until Walden was required reading my junior year in high school. His words really did and still do cut to my core.

[ulli]

Buttercup the Duck is happy now about having been tampered with.
But maybe not at first.....

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/06/29/3d-printing-helps-disabled-duck-get-a-new-foot/

[write4change]

Context appears to be everything. And every species context seems to be different. Not better or worse but different. You can take this analogy to another whole story by watching Avatar.

[Sunny-side-up]

The birds being from a higher vibrational consciousness (Nature which they are one with) would not need a forum because of their greater collective connectedness, they just know what is needed to know, no confusion or need of debate! or they might just think to each other that we silly clumsy humans never learn, why do they always have to keep messing with things, tut, tut then without another thought on with the day!

Nice post Bill, reminds me of this tail I heard once:

A kind hearted farmer while walking his fields once frosty morning came across a lil chick laying on the frozen ground, Hmm! the farmer had to think quick to try save the little birdie, I know! he gently picked the chick up and with one of his fingers made a little nest in a steaming worm cow pat (Dung) and so popped the chick into it!
There he thought to him self as he walked on, a worm happy chick that will survive till it's mom comes back.

But watching from behind a hedgerow was a cold and hungry fox!
Wow how nice of that kind farmer to supply me a worm meal to start my day!
and so the fox plucked the chick out of it's worm nest and with a flick of his mouth it was all over for the chick.

The Moral being that, it's not always your enemies that put you in the S**t and not always your friends that pull you out of it !

Love and hugs and a worm pile of dung for us all, hehe :)

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for sharing. Bill did it look like this while you were trying to catch those fine feathered friends? I envisioned this. If you will....... Gotta Love Burgess Merideth Here.....LMAO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkd_Lbfq18

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Add this twist: the abductor feels and believes he is benevolent. (In this case, it is pretty cut and dry, and I believe Bill's assessment.) But how many scientists have studied a situation to the best of their ability, and made an assessment that an animal or group of animals needed to be [___________] <--- (fill-in the blank: relocated, euthanized, radio collared, experimented upon, etc.)

They are certainly not always correct, even if they think they are. Part of the problem with believing that one is superior to another, and knows what's best. Could it very well be that many alien abductions have been done by beings that believe they are superior and that believe what they are doing is in the best interest of the human subject or even humanity - but are flat wrong?

As I said, just a twist. I did 'get' Bill's intent with his analogy.

Dennis

I understand this analogy Dennis but we have to start to understand different cultures and ways of thinking if we wish to expand and be a truly universal planet. Currently we have no clue about ET culture .. other than a fear breeding about it ..

Its a very American way of thinking . Its funny how this goes up and down the scale .. its really going to stop evolution unless we try to understand universal culture.

Now its customary for an ET when it encounters another foreign being to examine it ( scan it ) for possible viruses etc. This is a safety protocal. When you encounter so many varied beings out there its not only culturally right to do so it crutial to survival. Now you may go on about how they have no right and i agree they dont but if we dont bridge the gap of understanding between our cultures then we will end up in an American style of thinking and that is We dont need nobody elce to help us out. America thinks its the only continent on the planet. ( sorry to single out america but its a great example of introverted thinking population ) and you ask an american where australia or sweeden is .. than they look at you blankly and say .. huh ? theres other countries ? aaah do they eat chicken like we do ?

ugh

so before i offend any more people out there just try to understand we need to broaden our horizons and not get all offended by our extended ET family out there but rather understand whats the norm for the rest of our galaxy .

Now , IF you are come across by an ET they will scan you .. they want to know your physiology and see if they are going to catch anything. Sometimes they feel sorry for you and see that your heart may have a murmur or you have a cancer in your bowel and they fix it because they can.

Times this by about 20 different factions of ET 's checking us out and multiply that by the probable different reactions and you have a reporting base of about 5000 different types of encounters.

i know, i have been interacted with for a long time. I actually enjoy the interaction because to be honest humans are boring ... not all but most are really limited in their creativity and thinking and i find that clostrophobic. Interacting with ET technology is absolutely mind blowing to see ! its literally out of this world and hugely interesting.

So yeah , do you let your pet dog die on the operating table because it seems to want to run away , because its afraid ? do you respect that animals rights by letting it go and let it die slowly ? thats humanie yes ? Yeah respect its rights and let it die slowly and painfully. Awesome

same thing up and down the scale .. sometimes when an ET examines you if it seems to understand you have some semblence of intelligence it may heal your ailment as part of an exersise to heal new ailments it encounters. especially if it seems life threatening.

So you knwo get away from your in bred battle stations and duality complex and realise that if you want to expand then dont be aliaphobic ( new word i made up )

its like homophobia , you know , men that think they are hetero sexual fearing gay men in the illusion they will try to have bum sex with a red neck when homosexual men usually have much higher standards than that. get over it .. lol

N

[HaulinBananas]

" . . . If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing? . . ."

Their post-abduction Bird forum topics:

What do Turkeys, Ducks and Geese have in common that Chickens don't have that makes them more likely to be abducted?
Are birds with longer necks more desirable to our Abducting Controllers?
Do Turkeys, Ducks and Geese retain more of their original heritage than the common domesticated Chicken?
Turkeys, Ducks and Geese . . . are we genetically desirable sources to create Super Birds?
Turkeys, Ducks and Geese . . . are we less likely to be compared to dinosaurs, and thus less likely than Chickens to have Reptilian influences?
;)

[Dennis Leahy]

I understand this analogy Dennis but we have to start to understand different cultures and ways of thinking if we wish to expand and be a truly universal planet. Currently we have no clue about ET culture .. other than a fear breeding about it ..

Its a very American way of thinking . Its funny how this goes up and down the scale .. its really going to stop evolution unless we try to understand universal culture.

Now its customary for an ET when it encounters another foreign being to examine it ( scan it ) for possible viruses etc. This is a safety protocal. When you encounter so many varied beings out there its not only culturally right to do so it crutial to survival. ...

N

Nannoo, there are many many accounts of interactions between ETs and humans that do NOT involve abduction and delousing.

"...its customary for an ET..." - Unless you have been in contact with a few dozen different ET races, I suspect you are just guessing. Nothing wrong with guessing, but it sounds like you are positive.

As for having a fear reaction, and whether it is "American", I think it's called "fight or flight" and anyone from any of the 8 continents would experience it. Can you name all 8 continents? Most people can only name 7 (or less.) I can find them all on a globe with my eyes closed, and everyone knows Aussies don't eat chicken, they eat kangaroo.

I suspect the vast majority of ET races that have visited (or are visiting) are watchers, with very little to no interaction at all. When those races make the occasional contact, they have no need to "scan" us - they already have a very good sense of our biology. I suspect there are only a few races that are so crude that they want or need to "sample" living humans. I have no fear whatsoever of meeting an ET (but I'm not interested in undergoing any surgery), and have telepathed that to them - so far with no response "in this dimension" hehehehehe. I think they are afraid to meet me - even after my monthly shower.

Dennis

[Nanoo Nanoo]

" . . . If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing? . . ."

Their post-abduction Bird forum topics:

What do Turkeys, Ducks and Geese have in common that Chickens don't have that makes them more likely to be abducted?
Are birds with longer necks more desirable to our Abducting Controllers?
Do Turkeys, Ducks and Geese retain more of their original heritage than the common domesticated Chicken?
Turkeys, Ducks and Geese . . . are we genetically desirable sources to create Super Birds?
Turkeys, Ducks and Geese . . . are we less likely to be compared to dinosaurs, and thus less likely than Chickens to have Reptilian influences?
;)

LMAO !! priceless !

Dont forget

the first words ever spoken by a chicken and i Quote " It was the Rooster who came first ! then i had to have his children ! "

N

[ResistETIntervention]

We didn't want to harm them, so we found them a good home -- someone who has lots of birds of all kinds roaming free on his property. So we had to catch them and transport them there.

My friend, who has an abundance of energy, chased them all over our property with a giant butterfly net. It was hilarious. Eventually, he caught them all, and we imprisoned them in the trailer. I then drove them to a rendezvous with the person who was happy to take them all. I returned about half an hour ago.

This is not a very fitting analogy, as human beings are not the ones on these extraterrestrial beings' property, but rather the ETs that have been intruding human beings' home world covertly. Human beings are not the ones who need to be transported anywhere, but the extraterrestrials that need to transport themselves out of our solar system. Human abductees are definitely being harmed in more ways than one.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I understand this analogy Dennis but we have to start to understand different cultures and ways of thinking if we wish to expand and be a truly universal planet. Currently we have no clue about ET culture .. other than a fear breeding about it ..

Its a very American way of thinking . Its funny how this goes up and down the scale .. its really going to stop evolution unless we try to understand universal culture.

Now its customary for an ET when it encounters another foreign being to examine it ( scan it ) for possible viruses etc. This is a safety protocal. When you encounter so many varied beings out there its not only culturally right to do so it crutial to survival. ...

N

Nannoo, there are many many accounts of interactions between ETs and humans that do NOT involve abduction and delousing.

"...its customary for an ET..." - Unless you have been in contact with a few dozen different ET races, I suspect you are just guessing. Nothing wrong with guessing, but it sounds like you are positive.

As for having a fear reaction, and whether it is "American", I think it's called "fight or flight" and anyone from any of the 8 continents would experience it. Can you name all 8 continents? Most people can only name 7 (or less.) I can find them all on a globe with my eyes closed, and everyone knows Aussies don't eat chicken, they eat kangaroo.

I suspect the vast majority of ET races that have visited (or are visiting) are watchers, with very little to no interaction at all. When those races make the occasional contact, they have no need to "scan" us - they already have a very good sense of our biology. I suspect there are only a few races that are so crude that they want or need to "sample" living humans. I have no fear whatsoever of meeting an ET (but I'm not interested in undergoing any surgery), and have telepathed that to them - so far with no response "in this dimension" hehehehehe. I think they are afraid to meet me - even after my monthly shower.

Dennis

Awesome post Denny boy , i love your intelligence

No i am not guessing , this is factual.

No i cannot prove it.

No i do not care to either.

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

We didn't want to harm them, so we found them a good home -- someone who has lots of birds of all kinds roaming free on his property. So we had to catch them and transport them there.

My friend, who has an abundance of energy, chased them all over our property with a giant butterfly net. It was hilarious. Eventually, he caught them all, and we imprisoned them in the trailer. I then drove them to a rendezvous with the person who was happy to take them all. I returned about half an hour ago.

This is not a very fitting analogy, as human beings are not the ones on these extraterrestrial beings' property, but rather the ETs that have been intruding human beings' home world covertly. Human beings are not the ones who need to be transported anywhere, but the extraterrestrials that need to transport themselves out of our solar system. Human abductees are definitely being harmed in more ways than one.

Can you show me proof , other than quoting another persons story ?

Prima Facie would be preferable.

N

[ResistETIntervention]

Can you show me proof , other than quoting another persons story?

Prima Facie would be preferable.

N
What would you consider Prima Facie as far as the UFO/ET phenomenon is considered? Do you have any such, or do your statements stem out of your hopes that anyone visiting from outer space must be technologically superior and therefore, must be ethically and/or spiritually advanced as well? Perhaps your perspective is based on the abduction episodes "experienced" by abductees returned mind-controlled.

If you release your (false) hopes, preferences, and fears, then you will enable yourself to observe the reality as is.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Can you show me proof , other than quoting another persons story?

Prima Facie would be preferable.

N
What would you consider Prima Facie as far as the UFO/ET phenomenon is considered? Do you have any such, or do your statements stem out of your hopes that anyone visiting from outer space must be technologically superior and therefore, must be ethically and/or spiritually advanced as well? Perhaps your perspective is based on the abduction episodes "experienced" by abductees returned mind-controlled.

If you release your (false) hopes, preferences, and fears, then you will enable yourself to observe the reality as is.


when someone answers a question with a question its clear to me they have an agenda and are here for a specific purpose. I am making a call that you are a dis info agent.



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[ResistETIntervention]

when someone answers a question with a question its clear to me they have an agenda and are here for a specific purpose. I am making a call that you are a dis info agent.
N
N

No, that is not the definition of a disinformation agent.

The definition of "disinformation" is

Deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government or especially by an intelligence agency in order to influence public opinion or the government in another nation.
Dissemination of such misleading information.


So a disinformation agent would be a representative with a purpose to disseminate disinformation. In order to accuse me of being a disinformation agent, you must have a concrete proof that what I have stated in the forum is false and that I am disseminating false information intentionally and knowingly. You can't. How can you find proofs of what is not true?

Everyone is here with a purpose. I'm here because I saw that some individuals displayed all the symptoms of abductees returned mind-controlled and wanted to awaken them if possible.

What is your purpose for being here?

[mojo]

Tibetans tell a story of an old frog who lived all his life in a dank well. One day a frog from the sea paid him a visit.
Where do you come from? asked the frog in the well.
"From the great ocean," he replied.
"How big is your ocean?"
"It's gigantic."
"You mean mean about a quater the size of my well here?"
"Bigger."
"Bigger? You mean half as big?"
"No, even bigger."
"Is it...as big as this well?"
"There's no comparison."
"That's impossible! I've got to see this myself."
They set off together. When the frog from the well saw the ocean, it was such a shock that his head just exploded into pieces.
- Sogyal Rinpoche

In the conclusion to John Mack's book "Abduction," he states, "There is considerable debate among investigators of the abduction phenomenon about whether, given the harsh and often terrorizing methods the aliens employ, the intelligence at work might be evil or mean us harm. Obviously in considering this question one enters a realm of interpretation that goe beyond the available evidence."

"Yet my overall impression is that the abduction process is not evil, and that the intelligences at work do not wish us ill. Rather, I have the sense-might I say faith-that the abduction phenomenon is, at its core, about the preservation of life on Earth at a time when the planet's life is profoundly threatened."

[Heather2017]

In the conclusion to John Mack's book "Abduction," he states, "There is considerable debate among investigators of the abduction phenomenon about whether, given the harsh and often terrorizing methods the aliens employ, the intelligence at work might be evil or mean us harm. Obviously in considering this question one enters a realm of interpretation that goe beyond the available evidence."

"Yet my overall impression is that the abduction process is not evil, and that the intelligences at work do not wish us ill. Rather, I have the sense-might I say faith-that the abduction phenomenon is, at its core, about the preservation of life on Earth at a time when the planet's life is profoundly threatened."

Sure, it's about the preservation of their life on Earth, not ours.

[araucaria]

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.


The question then becomes, Why does this make so much sense coming from Bill Dean as opposed to Steven Greer?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.


The question then becomes, Why does this make so much sense coming from Bill Dean as opposed to Steven Greer?

I know , i dont get it either.

N

[Jake]

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.


The question then becomes, Why does this make so much sense coming from Bill Dean as opposed to Steven Greer?

I know , i dont get it either.

N

I would say that it is not so black/white,, good/evil... Even the most 'evil/disfunctional' human can keep a goose, or duck, (especially a bunch of chickens) alive long enough to harvest it for food!

I would be much more willing to listen to dean than greer on just about anything.. Even though I would take them both to task with that assessment!

[christian]

Can you show me proof , other than quoting another persons story?

Prima Facie would be preferable.

N
What would you consider Prima Facie as far as the UFO/ET phenomenon is considered? Do you have any such, or do your statements stem out of your hopes that anyone visiting from outer space must be technologically superior and therefore, must be ethically and/or spiritually advanced as well? Perhaps your perspective is based on the abduction episodes "experienced" by abductees returned mind-controlled.

If you release your (false) hopes, preferences, and fears, then you will enable yourself to observe the reality as is.


when someone answers a question with a question its clear to me they have an agenda and are here for a specific purpose. I am making a call that you are a dis info agent.



N
N

I think you're both very quick to judge each other. :wink:

Rather than projecting and giving remote diagnoses, maybe next time you can put more effort into communicating and explaining yourself. :)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hi Christian

i asked a direct question and got questions back. how is that going to help me understand this person ? clearly they dont want to back up their claims and what they wrote in responce is moronic to say the least. its the perpetuation of this introverted guess work paranoinya.

so my question still stands but my guess is ill get more questions back and never get an answer ... like a polititian.

So why would i need to waste my time when clearly judgement on a fast diet is not my modus operandi.

I think people like this are dangerous for Avalon. And are duping the good readers with BS.

Thats my stance

Naniu

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Can you show me proof , other than quoting another persons story?

Prima Facie would be preferable.

N
What would you consider Prima Facie as far as the UFO/ET phenomenon is considered? Do you have any such, or do your statements stem out of your hopes that anyone visiting from outer space must be technologically superior and therefore, must be ethically and/or spiritually advanced as well? Perhaps your perspective is based on the abduction episodes "experienced" by abductees returned mind-controlled.

If you release your (false) hopes, preferences, and fears, then you will enable yourself to observe the reality as is.

there is something very familiar about this writing style ... sounds like someone that was on here a while ago .. banned .. and then banned from another forum as well..

hmmm

N

[learninglight]

Can you show me proof , other than quoting another persons story?

Prima Facie would be preferable.

N
What would you consider Prima Facie as far as the UFO/ET phenomenon is considered? Do you have any such, or do your statements stem out of your hopes that anyone visiting from outer space must be technologically superior and therefore, must be ethically and/or spiritually advanced as well? Perhaps your perspective is based on the abduction episodes "experienced" by abductees returned mind-controlled.

If you release your (false) hopes, preferences, and fears, then you will enable yourself to observe the reality as is.


when someone answers a question with a question its clear to me they have an agenda and are here for a specific purpose. I am making a call that you are a dis info agent.



N
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Nanoo Nanoo

I don't see why you say it's dis info to question a question? that's a very big accusation, anyway you don't put 'Proof' on the table with what you say so why be so intimidating??

sharon

[mojo]

The OP did not answer the metaphor but left it open ended. It did turn out to be a good debate, so if I may ask Bill Ryan about his abduction experience as it relates to the metaphor.

Although it must have been traumatic, to be taken out of a tent on the side of a mountain, would you consider all abduction to be negative or have evil intent behind it? Thanks the answer might surprise.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[ResistETIntervention]

Nanoo Nanoo, there are many people with various perspectives in the forum. If you feel threatened by the truths as I know that I speak of, you do not need to read my posts. This is a huge forum. You’re welcome to interact with only those who share your perspectives, instead of wasting your energy on trying to get everyone with different perspectives banned from the forum. I’m certainly not wasting my energy on trying to get you banned for having a different perspective.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[ResistETIntervention]

Those who can see will be able to see with only little evidence, and those who cannot see will ask for a mountain of evidence and still not see.

My question to Nanoo Nanoo’s question was actually a very legitimate one, and I’m not intimidated by him or his question, Learninglight :-). By the way, Heather, Learninglight, others who have different perspectives from those of members such as Nanoo Nanoo, and those abductees who have had less than pleasant experiences, I urge you to speak up. A grave consequence is unavoidable in the world, unless people speak out about the dark sides of the ET Intervention. You’re all very important to humanity’s fate in this regard.

I have been raising public awareness of the UFO/ET phenomenon in about 14 forums and by speaking to about 1,000 people on the street. I have encountered people with various religious and academic backgrounds, opinions, attitudes, and experiences regarding the UFO/ET phenomenon. Some people I spoke to were able to know, from their experiences or from the deeper intelligence within them, exactly what I was telling them. Others adamantly refused to accept any evidence I provided for the sake of holding onto their beliefs they have been upholding – even by attempting to debunk unsuccessfully everyone (air force officers, former presidents, physicians, etc.) as basically mental cases. One cannot simply provide one-size-fits-all explanations to everyone. In order to explain effectively, I need to gauge which angle they come from.

In the forums where I advocated, depending on the beliefs and attitudes of the majority of forum members, I was asked to provide proofs of various things. I don’t rely on photos of UFOs or ETs, which can easily be manipulated. So I provided them with links or pertinent web sites, quotes from books and articles, videos of Disclosure Conferences or other researchers’ talks, and photos of extraterrestrial implants extracted from abductees’ bodies. Some of them were so afraid of having to change their beliefs, that they would reject any and every evidence so that they can adhere to religious, scientific, or any other personal beliefs that they have been adhering to….just a little longer.

So it is a legitimate question for me to ask what people would consider evidence, when they ask me for undeniable, concrete, empirical evidence regarding the UFO/ET phenomenon, or in this case, the intentions of ETs.

Clearly, with so many people, even in this forum, who have suffered horrific experiences of abduction cases, any rational person would not accept a blanket statement such as “All ETs are benevolent,” or “No ETs have ill intentions for humanity.” One might even suspect those making such statements as disseminating disinformation, for they most certainly have not done even moderately thorough research in the extraterrestrial abduction phenomenon.

And then there are those who, out of hopes or faiths or simply thinking in terms of statistical variations of life in the universe, believe that some ETs are benevolent and other aren’t. This is probably a more sensible stance. I do not dispute that. However, there are no ETs in our world or in our solar system currently that are here with benevolent intentions for human beings. Expanding this into a discussion would be better accomplished in a separate thread.

The truth of the matter is that no human being can provide any proofs that all, some, or none of the ETs present in our world are here with our best interests at heart. So if I asked the same question to, say, Nanoo Nanoo whether he can provide concrete, indisputable proofs that all or some of the ETs present in our world are here for the benefit of humanity, he couldn’t provide them, either.

How can any human beings provide a proof for that? If we were all honest, we would come to the same conclusion. We might speculate, hope, wish, suspect, and opine about the ETs’ intentions and purposes for intruding into our world covertly. However, we simply have not traveled far enough into the space to learn about life in the universe, and thus, do not have the vantage point to know who are “visiting” our world unbeknownst to most of humanity, what sort of activities they are carrying out and why covertly, what their ultimate goals are, and what this means for us human race. Thus, rather than arguing amongst our fellow human beings, we can gather what we know about the phenomenon and our experiences regarding their intentions, and see what resonates deep within us.

I will start a thread on this topic when I can spend more time on the forum.

[mevlana]

I confess. I did perform abducted creature's lab test even-though I did not perform the collection.

I confess again I did not care gine pigs and lab. mices's sake. My whole intent was humanity's sake, how they can be healthier was my prior purpose, but if Gine pig would ask the reason of my act probably I would have convinced it.

Do not compare what human did to lower life forms for humanity's sake. What I remember is, there was the first rule we had to obey absent or avoided cruelty. I hope aliens can be reasonable if I bite them.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Those who can see will be able to see with only little evidence, and those who cannot see will ask for a mountain of evidence and still not see.

My question to Nanoo Nanoo’s question was actually a very legitimate one, and I’m not intimidated by him or his question. By the way, Heather, Learnlight, others who have different perspectives from those of members such as Nanoo Nanoo, and those abductees who have had less than pleasant experiences, I encourage you to speak up. A grave consequence is unavoidable in the world, unless people speak out about the dark sides of the ET Intervention. You’re all very important to humanity’s fate in this regard.

...
I will start a thread on this topic when I can spend more time on the forum.

I am still yet to see any " Proofs " from you either my dear friend. But im getting a better idea where you are from as i read your posts. Im not trying to get you banned im just making a call, which im allowed to do. If it were up to me id have you put in your own forum so you can continue your work here. Ive seen your type come and go .. and i apologise to the other more switched on readers that can see the holes in your argument.

here is something thats an interview with someone with an actual " credible " back ground. I find this information much more accurate from the stand point that its been scientifically colated as opposed to " peoples opinions " on the street. Seriously if thats the best you got then go ahead with your fear campaign.

But my opinion is , the more fear you instigate to our human family the more you debilitate its propensity to evolve.

You have absolutly no idea of ET agendas or culture and when i asked you for Prima Facie proof you came back with questions .. instead of showing me an article perhaps , a photo .. you know anything thats lead you to believe and create this purpose ful avatar here on Avalon with the sole purpose to instigate fear against ET's. nothing , not one shred of evidense ? not a sceric ? come on just point me to a link that adds credibility to your argument ? please im begging you , i want to understand you and people have every right to ask of proof or at least back up what you say withsome logic.

Every single time someones asked me to back up my words i have. And what i cannot prove has been confirmed as useful at least as its omething i pioneer as opposed to regurgitate.

This video truly solidifies my sentiments on the subject and yeah heres my proof.

wheres yours ? still .... ? huh ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPRN0kuaYio

[Nanoo Nanoo]

We were informed by one of our colleagues involved with Montauk that Montauk was successful at aligning humanity with a viable timeline...however, Montauk was hijacked after they were able to go back in time and disable the ship that was sent into hyperspace without a destination. It was a time loop issue that had to be resolved by 1983 and it was...after that, many people left the program as a rogue group took that technology over, along with many other technologies being developed at the time. Also, the timeline from 1983 found very few people on the planet by the latter part of 2013. The technology associated with Montauk required a sufficient level of longitudinal energy intensity to reestablish a connection to the future. We are obviously on a different timeline now, though we're about to contend with a magnetic pole shift and the fallout created during the period of time when the Earth's EM field is settling into its realignment, creating nodes around the planet that are more vulnerable to outside energy flux (CMEs); so it is difficult to discern specifically how this timeline is going to pan out at any particular location until events unfold in real time over the next few years. Earthquakes activity is also expected to increase, the intensity of which remains indeterminate.

Our collective experience will become increasingly difficult over the next few years for everyday folks to make ends meet, especially during the period from mid-2014 thru 2017. That's why our independent network is pushing as hard as we can to open source advanced energy technologies before the economic transition makes buying parts/equipment next to impossible for people to afford, and a viable Internet connection becomes increasingly difficult to find/afford.

Our network has concluded that if we are unable to open source or at least have parts kits available for purchase by the end of this year, there is insufficient time to spread the technology around to ensure that a working knowledge to independently replicate/validate these technologies remains intact post-2017. If I am personally unsuccessful at bringing at least one advanced energy technology to the public by the end of the year, my direct involvement will be discontinued, in lieu of prepping for what shall transpire over the next few years.

pm me an email addy and ill give you plans for some energy devices.

Naniu

[norman]

I like 'him' and I like 'her', and it's good to see this meeting and talk happen, but, my first impulse is that he's on 'the political defensive' and anchoring himself into something and someone that's got cred' written all over it, unlike almost everyone else he's inteviewd for ages.

With that out of the way........... what a cracker.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I like 'him' and I like 'her', and it's good to see this meeting and talk happen, but, my first impulse is that he's on 'the political defensive' and anchoring himself into something and someone that's got cred' written all over it, unlike almost everyone else he's inteviewd for ages.

With that out of the way........... what a cracker.

i think you are genius normy boy

love it

N

[Sidney]

Note the time the previous two posts were submitted/updated:
my final update posted at 18:18, also coincides with the post immediately above.

Then consider the following:

1818 - "These signs indicate that a phase of your life is about to come to an end. These signs indicate that your thoughts regarding some part of your life are in line with your Spiritual Path and, by following these thoughts, the phase you are thinking about will eventually come to end."

How do we know which part?? Any clues?

[ResistETIntervention]

So why have extraterrestrials been abducting human beings? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61096-So-Why-Have-Extraterrestrials-Been-Abducting-Human-Beings&p=701200#post701200)