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Violet
9th July 2013, 20:55
You can't handle the truth! :director:

And now my question is: what does it mean? What could be so wicked for us not to be able to handle it?

Is it the existence of aliens? I believe a good deal of people are prepared for that.
Is it that rulers are robbing their citizens? I think that's a public secret many countries have long learned to live with...or revolt against.
Is it genetic experiments on human beings? We know about a man called Mengele, so we can go from there.

I mean, what could (with lots of gruesome conspiracy theories already laid out) still be so surprising that we couldn't handle it? And I'm well aware that's thé question everybody's looking to have answered but still.

In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

donk
9th July 2013, 20:57
If we all came together as one, humanity: undivided and loving and over all our conflict

...not exactly wicked. But shocking and unbelievable.

christian
9th July 2013, 21:09
What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

Depends on the person, there are all kinds of people. Many people are still not really aware of the things that you mention.

I want the truth, too. All it takes is critical mass, a significant number of people who are genuinely ready. It will all unfold in a pace that we collectively set. To accelerate it, just go out and reach out, be there for people who are ready to move forward but need support in releasing their attachment to the control-matrix.

Actually, I think people in general tend to think that they're further than they actually are. For example, not everybody who can wrap his or her head around the idea of alien life would be really ready to meet an E.T. face to face, or to handle the situation when there would be open contact on a mass scale.

I think it's key to work on one's own balance, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, and help others improve theirs, too. We shouldn't just assume that we're ready and wait for things to unfold eventually, but actively strengthen and prepare us in general, continue to become more aware and inspire others to do the same.

Arak
9th July 2013, 21:09
I think that if it would turn out 100% sure that our universe is just a computer simulation and can be terminated at any time, that could have quite serious consequences. And btw yeah, ScientistS are seriously studying this option atm... Google it if you want to know more.

kersley
9th July 2013, 21:10
Well if you're asking???
Pole shift. don't rely on those leaders to tell you about it.. we need to look into this sooner the better...

MargueriteBee
9th July 2013, 21:12
I think people ignore the truth cause then they would have to get their bottom up off the couch and do something about it. They don't want to be bothered, their favorite show is coming on.

donk
9th July 2013, 21:16
I think it's key to work on one's own balance, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, and help others improve theirs, too. We shouldn't just assume that we're ready and wait for things to unfold eventually, but actively strengthen and prepare us in general, continue to become more aware and inspire others to do the same.

Well said...

Heh, it would be shocking if those with the means and real data actually told us the "truth".

Fred Steeves
9th July 2013, 21:18
In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

The sudden discovery of who and what they really are. :nod:

Nanoo Nanoo
9th July 2013, 21:19
You can't handle the truth! :director:

And now my question is: what does it mean? What could be so wicked for us not to be able to handle it?

Is it the existence of aliens? I believe a good deal of people are prepared for that.
Is it that rulers are robbing their citizens? I think that's a public secret many countries have long learned to live with...or revolt against.
Is it genetic experiments on human beings? We know about a man called Mengele, so we can go from there.

I mean, what could (with lots of gruesome conspiracy theories already laid out) still be so surprising that we couldn't handle it? And I'm well aware that's thé question everybody's looking to have answered but still.

In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

A Free Fried Chicken Outlet

Now thats shocking !

N

Eagle Eye
9th July 2013, 21:35
You can't handle the truth! :director:

And now my question is: what does it mean? What could be so wicked for us not to be able to handle it?

Is it the existence of aliens? I believe a good deal of people are prepared for that.
Is it that rulers are robbing their citizens? I think that's a public secret many countries have long learned to live with...or revolt against.
Is it genetic experiments on human beings? We know about a man called Mengele, so we can go from there.

I mean, what could (with lots of gruesome conspiracy theories already laid out) still be so surprising that we couldn't handle it? And I'm well aware that's thé question everybody's looking to have answered but still.

In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

Change the channel from this earth and address your mind to entire universe, other dimensions (reality), spiritual path to unity or ego. This truth need long time to understand , accept step by step small facts to be able to handle it , otherwise will have two negative reaction, it will blow your mind or your mind will simply reject it and you will start your next day like nothing happened.

Lefty Dave
9th July 2013, 21:44
Interesting...Violet....there is so much coming at us in this day and age...hard to distinguish what TRUTH is...

The shock of all shocks , to me, is the UN, and its Agenda 21...the undeniable truth that a small group of people feel it is their business to consolidate governments and nations ...shrink populations worldwide...and takeover the daily decision making of each and every one of us on Earth...what we eat...where we live...how we think. What's more...this is the body that will likely represent us, should other worldly ( or inner worldly ) life forms make official contact with humanity. None of us elected them...we don't even know who they are for the most part...and yet their decisions today reach right into our home towns tomorrow...and we have no recourse .

Good thread, Violet...hope you find answers from the forum. Blessings.

Serendipity
9th July 2013, 21:59
There are those that don't want to know the truth. I quote a friend, "If I can't do anything about it, I don't want to know about it." I can empathize to a degree as ignorance is sometimes bliss. I disagree with the concept that you can never do anything about it. If all you can do is accept it and integrate it into your life plan accordingly you have done something.

To me, the worst "truth" I can imagine is that there is no ascension or return after this life. That we are in fact dust in the wind, that this is our one shot. That would be pretty devastating because I wasted a lot of good time here.

Eram
9th July 2013, 22:05
You can't handle the truth! :director:



That what "happens" is the truth right?

So every time that we resist the truth (which is almost always), you could argue that we can't handle the truth.

We feel shortchanged by the tax that we have to pay...
We feel down because the weather isn't sunny...
We feel pity for ourselves because our partner doesn't appreciate us for what we do...


Why do we object to it?
the tax, the weather, the lack of appreciation...

We can't handle the truth!!!
Or better said, we choose not to.

In truth, all we have to do is to get "over" ourselves.

for instance: "My partner must appreciate me for my work."

The suffering that we experience isn't caused by the lack of appreciation by our partner, but by our judgment of this reality.
We judge this reality to be not correct and hence, we can't handle the truth.

Until we do.

Violet
9th July 2013, 22:29
I like this expansion of thought. Many thanks!

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There are those that don't want to know the truth. I quote a friend, "If I can't do anything about it, I don't want to know about it." I can empathize to a degree as ignorance is sometimes bliss. I disagree with the concept that you can never do anything about it. If all you can do is accept it and integrate it into your life plan accordingly you have done something.

To me, the worst "truth" I can imagine is that there is no ascension or return after this life. That we are in fact dust in the wind, that this is our one shot. That would be pretty devastating because I wasted a lot of good time here.

I think Eram explained very well that your experience of it being good time wasted might very well just be one way of viewing it. Perhaps, with other eyes, it was better spent than you might think.

Violet
9th July 2013, 22:38
Interesting...Violet....there is so much coming at us in this day and age...hard to distinguish what TRUTH is...

The shock of all shocks , to me, is the UN, and its Agenda 21...the undeniable truth that a small group of people feel it is their business to consolidate governments and nations ...shrink populations worldwide...and takeover the daily decision making of each and every one of us on Earth...what we eat...where we live...how we think. What's more...this is the body that will likely represent us, should other worldly ( or inner worldly ) life forms make official contact with humanity. None of us elected them...we don't even know who they are for the most part...and yet their decisions today reach right into our home towns tomorrow...and we have no recourse .

Good thread, Violet...hope you find answers from the forum. Blessings.

Thanks and may you be blessed too.

It's not an active answer-finding-quest. It's just: can we be any more surprised?

What you say is good reason for outrage...and surprise too.

Sunny-side-up
9th July 2013, 22:38
There are those that don't want to know the truth. I quote a friend, "If I can't do anything about it, I don't want to know about it." I can empathize to a degree as ignorance is sometimes bliss. I disagree with the concept that you can never do anything about it. If all you can do is accept it and integrate it into your life plan accordingly you have done something.

To me, the worst "truth" I can imagine is that there is no ascension or return after this life. That we are in fact dust in the wind, that this is our one shot. That would be pretty devastating because I wasted a lot of good time here.

Yes that would really be painfull.
What would blow my mind Hmm?
Give me a few years to think on that one lol.
I really don't know what would?
Ive been over and thought on just about every angle over my 54Y'z
It would hertz to know another pole shift coming as has done before and as before we all get mind wiped ! but we get to know it's happening before it takes effect :( and all is lost for another 12000 years Doh,
but even that wouldn't blow my mind now!

keep the reply's coming, I wan't to know ?

Heartsong
9th July 2013, 22:39
Why do you all think the truth is/will be painful? What has your mind been filled with and by whom?

What if the truth is good news? Would you accept it?

DouglasDanger
9th July 2013, 22:41
That our past is made up, the truth of it hidden because we could not handle the fact that we were a much more advanced species at one point and we have done this to ourselves due to our own ignorance and lack of forsight to what we were doing to the rest of our galaxy. We were spanked, had all of our advanced toys taken from us and sentenced to existance on one planet, to learn how accept that we are not the greatest, smartest, closest to perfection species in the universe ( an attempt to deminish our ego's), Put in a time out on the planet thought to have been where we evolved. This has caused us to focus blame on each other and kept us in an ignorant brainwashed state for the last 25000 + years... our sentence was up 10000 years ago but due to our ignorance and lack of forsight to keep track of our ancient ancient past we will not be invited back out into the galaxy to participate untill we as a species reunite under one banner and accept all of our humanoid forms. Some of the races in our galaxy and beyond that were most affected by our attrocites are keeping us in our ignorant state because of past indesgressions done by us to them. ;)

Violet
9th July 2013, 22:44
I think it's key to work on one's own balance, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, and help others improve theirs, too. We shouldn't just assume that we're ready and wait for things to unfold eventually, but actively strengthen and prepare us in general, continue to become more aware and inspire others to do the same.

Well said...

Heh, it would be shocking if those with the means and real data actually told us the "truth".

I have to give it to you, that would be ... really sooomething.

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I think that if it would turn out 100% sure that our universe is just a computer simulation and can be terminated at any time, that could have quite serious consequences. And btw yeah, ScientistS are seriously studying this option atm... Google it if you want to know more.

Thanks
&

Lol @ "Google it"...

Violet
9th July 2013, 22:50
That our past is made up, the truth of it hidden because we could not handle the fact that we were a much more advanced species at one point and we have done this to ourselves due to our own ignorance and lack of forsight to what we were doing to the rest of our galaxy. We were spanked, had all of our advanced toys taken from us and sentenced to existance on one planet, to learn how accept that we are not the greatest, smartest, closest to perfection species in the universe ( an attempt to deminish our ego's), Put in a time out on the planet thought to have been where we evolved. This has caused us to focus blame on each other and kept us in an ignorant brainwashed state for the last 25000 + years... our sentence was up 10000 years ago but due to our ignorance and lack of forsight to keep track of our ancient ancient past we will not be invited back out into the galaxy to participate untill we as a species reunite under one banner and accept all of our humanoid forms. Some of the races in our galaxy and beyond that were most affected by our attrocites are keeping us in our ignorant state because of past indesgressions done by us to them. ;)

You'll make Larry Niven jealous :gaah:

Violet
9th July 2013, 22:57
Why do you all think the truth is/will be painful? What has your mind been filled with and by whom?

What if the truth is good news? Would you accept it?

Yes, it can be good too. My mistake, perhaps wicked is misleading.

It could be for instance that a good God really does exist and the devil is responsible for all the suffering in the world, and people denouncing the concept of religion, and making them feel so miserable, lonely and lost in the world.

That would inevitably have to mean that the devil exists too then.

Violet
9th July 2013, 23:18
More (potential) good news: that we're far more important than we or others think we are.

Anchor
9th July 2013, 23:22
If we all came together as one, humanity: undivided and loving and over all our conflict

...not exactly wicked. But shocking and unbelievable.

This reminds me of a favourite quote from the law of one:


We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

Taurean
9th July 2013, 23:25
More than anything it is the effect on Religion that seems to be the biggest concern.



UFO files: Winston Churchill 'feared panic' over Second World War RAF incident

Churchill was reported to have exclaimed: 'This event should be immediately classified since it would create mass panic amongst the general population and destroy one's belief in the church.'




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/7926037/UFO-files-Winston-Churchill-feared-panic-over-Second-World-War-RAF-incident.html

norman
9th July 2013, 23:40
In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

The sudden discovery of who and what they really are. :nod:

And/Or what they are NOT !

General human society is so smuggly sure it's at the 'top' of something.

778 neighbour of some guy
10th July 2013, 00:05
There is that word again, "truth", the most subjective word ever, who's truth, mine, yours, theirs, ours, sometimes truth is just the moment you decide to lay something to rest to be done with it and accept that as truth, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and from their perspectives they are both correct.


War is disgusting, getting torn to shreds by shrapnell makes it even more personal, surgery that is a potential lifesaver however, is an art perfected on battlefields since thousands of years ago, agian the reason for sharpening those skills can be debated, they can also save your life now, I just wished they started to wash their hands a bit sooner. Truth is, I am happy there are skilled doctors now who can help me out in case i need them.

Truth is, I believe the universe is so massive, there is just no way around it, life must be everywhere, comets are full of organisms, thats what they have found out, those are just the tiny ones, we are the big ones on this planet, on many other planets or realm this must be exactly the same, wether its a physical form, energy form or what ever form.

Meeting one self and seeing it for what it truly is would shock most of us I think, recognising ourselves as just being part of some foodchain would shock us even more.

ghostrider
10th July 2013, 00:20
The truth is no one is coming to save us, no gods, no saviours, no wizards, etc... we are made of energy, the same creation energy that made the universe, we are all connected to everything ... if it's to be it's up to me... incarnating millions of times adding to the knowledge of creation and helping to create more magnificent worlds and beings ... the god your looking for is in the mirror ... drop religion, and take responsibiltiy for yourself and your actions and choices ... you are energy in the form of a body, the earth is energy in the form of a planet, the sea is energy in the form of water , a hawk is energy in the form of a bird , a cloud is energy in the form of a gas the form is determined by the speed of the particles/molecules/cells vibrating at a specific frequency ... it's all ENERGY ...

johnf
10th July 2013, 00:24
If there is such a thing as the infinite, then there is nothing else.

When someone grasps this truth within themselves, they risk everything they consider them selves to be, that insists it is finite.

In a sense the mind is one of those things. In the larger sense it is part of the infinite. But it is only temporary. Once the thought is completely finished, the mind doesn't exist.

The body is another part, that is very hard to see as not separate from other things.

Those are just two things that can be considered as a package that is separate from everything else.

Each of those is made up of smaller things that we attach to and call me.

If one is able to happily give up each of those things as they present themselves for inspecting and questioning, then they can move on to greater truths.

The more I am able to do that, the less I am concerned with external things such as visitors from elsewhere, and apparently powerful humans that want to keep us enslaved.

It isn't easy, but it is simple.

jf

Justintime
10th July 2013, 00:39
You can't handle the truth! :director:

And now my question is: what does it mean? What could be so wicked for us not to be able to handle it?

Is it the existence of aliens? I believe a good deal of people are prepared for that.
Is it that rulers are robbing their citizens? I think that's a public secret many countries have long learned to live with...or revolt against.
Is it genetic experiments on human beings? We know about a man called Mengele, so we can go from there.

I mean, what could (with lots of gruesome conspiracy theories already laid out) still be so surprising that we couldn't handle it? And I'm well aware that's thé question everybody's looking to have answered but still.

In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

For me it would be that we are not real. That not only is our individual ego an illusion, but so is our soul. That we are nothing but characters in the dream of some immortal demigod who will one day wake up and no longer attend to us and our world will just cease to exist because it never was.

Craig
10th July 2013, 01:04
whatever it is, it probably is a doozy, either way I want to play on the bench next round and let someone else have a go.

jiminii
10th July 2013, 01:27
.What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

we divide the earth in 4 pieces ... with an invisible wall between each ... we put all the cabal .. military ... politicians .... medical .... mental doctors .... police ... perverts ... criminals ... degraded beings ... on one quarter ... with NO vegetation . ... NO other animals ... No other lifeforms ... and they learn how to live on air ... (NO WATER too) and it will be on the dark side of the sun

we put all the workers on the second quarter ... that has seasons .. and life forms ..

we put all the spiritual on the 3rd quarter .... with beauty and art and music .. and anything creative

we put on the 4 quarter ... all the skiers ... who will have all the beautiful and majestic mountains to ski on ... the food is always exotic in well furnished hotels ... that automatically grow everything in an instant ... and they can ski .. forever ....

that is how we can shock everyone in 2013

jim

Justintime
10th July 2013, 01:35
.What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

we divide the earth in 4 pieces ... with an invisible wall between each ... we put all the cabal .. military ... politicians .... medical .... mental doctors .... police ... perverts ... criminals ... degraded beings ... on one quarter ... with NO vegetation . ... NO other animals ... No other lifeforms ... and they learn how to live on air ... (NO WATER too) and it will be on the dark side of the sun

jim

Well, looks like I'd be on the dark side of the sun. You got me at pervert, criminal and degraded being ;)

jagman
10th July 2013, 02:17
Hello Violet, In order to get to Truth we must first establish facts. There are 3 kinds of facts.
1. The Known fact: Example The Earth is a sphere. The speed of light in a vacuum is 186282 miles per second.
2. The Unknown fact: These are facts that are in our reach but have not yet been proven.
Example String Theory (The Multiverse )
3. The Unknowable fact: These fact's are beyond human comprehension. Example What are we?

ghostrider
10th July 2013, 02:30
I think people ignore the truth cause then they would have to get their bottom up off the couch and do something about it. They don't want to be bothered, their favorite show is coming on.

oh the truth is sooooo refreshing ... now that was the most honest thing I have heard all day ...

ghostrider
10th July 2013, 02:43
actually , I ponder this, I've heard the truth is creation, everything else is it's creatures ... the big bang is the big thang ...everyting else is just noise ...

Sidney
10th July 2013, 03:22
President Obama makes a state of the union speech. he tells us that the government is very sorry they have been raping us of a huge percentage of our income for centuries, and they are sorry for all of the taxes, and we are all getting a one million dollar check in the mail tomorrow. And BP is sorry they contaminated the ocean and have pledged to make it right. And yes, there are ETs. And they are sorry for the experimentation of the people against our free will. And they are also giving us the free energy we deserved 40 years ago. Also, because of the free energy, there will be no more oil dependency. And, the government is going to have a make-over, without corruption.

That would be a good start at shocking a few people. : ) It is a lovely thought. for a brief chuckle.

heretogrow
10th July 2013, 03:30
I believe the statement that "We can't handle the truth" is used as a carrot dangled in front of us to make us feel powerless. Notice it is always used when someone is feeding us information in response to information that is reaching a critical mass and becoming widely known whether people believe it or not. It is in response to our unraveling of the matrix, and what is always at stake is our dependence on the control system. How many countless, seemingly trustworthy, knowledgeable whistleblowers have given us some "inside" information and either confirmed what we suspected all along or revealed some new piece of the puzzle only to leave us with "I can't say anymore because you can't handle the truth." And from there the curious, the awake, the aware, the sensitive, the caring, the responsible, the seekers of the truth are hooked. We wrack our hearts, our minds and our souls to try to figure out what it just may be that they know that we don't. We look toward them to tell us more, reveal more insights, let us in on this great mystery. So they let out another piece of info and dangle another carrot, always stopping short of the big picture because... WE CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Says who?

What if the truth is that we are infinite beings, there is no such thing as death, and everything you have ever desired or feel you lack you have already experienced in countless lifetimes. Because of duality and implants you just can not remember. There is absolutely nothing that you could want for because in truth you have everything you need inside yourself to live a life that is blissful and meaningful and near perfect. You possess all of that ability and more in your little pinky. The last thing you NEED is for someone to lord over you and dictate what you need and what rights you have and what your life will be like. Perhaps those who spend so much time trying to dis-inform and keep the truth so elusive from us really know for a fact that they would cease to EXIST if we knew the truth! Now I wonder, who really can't handle the truth?

witchy1
10th July 2013, 05:55
That aliens are really really ugly! *think Alien and Sigourney Weaver*

When we die all our atoms (energy) are merged together with everyone elses atoms who have died at a similar time and we reincarnate as a bit of everyone - hence we are one
OR there is no way back
OR this is it
OR we really are an experiment
OR we are a food source for our souls *shudder*

apokalypse
10th July 2013, 09:09
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In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

depends on what type of shock but shock who, for us who are Truth seeker or participate on Non-Mainstream is expecting to come out with the whole stuff that we talking about from ET's to condition of our world.

It will shock the sheep especially people who are not aware and they might not able to handle it...for people who are aware but still in skeptics/deniel will shock them and they will say "Holy Crap" is true afterall.

many people aware of Alex Jones-Coast to Coast AM radio-David Icke...ect but never considering it and denied it, at most i really want them to do is listen-research on it and importantly questioning on things.

i know my family members being Catholics who are religious will not handle with the truth about Vatican and the Bible. some people who are open minded willing to listen they will handle it well..i have talked to few people who are like that, they start to think and saying Really? WOW! make sense...ect.

doesn't matter what the truth NEED and MUST come out and people who are unaware or not ready need a guide which is us who participate on non-mainstream which they called us Conspiracy theorist. What they need is a guide from people who are informed...

dianna
10th July 2013, 10:28
In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

The sudden discovery of who and what they really are. :nod:

My exact thoughts --- Thanks Fred

donk
10th July 2013, 14:08
The flip side of "I want the truth"/"you can't handle the truth" is something like:

We live in a world with walls...you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall (or people die)

The shock will come if enough people stop believing the colonel, and the only people that need fear it are the types like him (top of the pyramid and their enforcers) and those he describes (unfortunately those are the overwhelming majority for the time being), who see the rest of humanity as seperate from themselves and to be feared...

Another1
10th July 2013, 14:36
~ heads could explode
Some people could find this video clip offensive and might not want small children to see this.


Here's final scene from 'They Live' as the mind altering transmissions get turned off and humans are able to see.

Dw15wCWo7yU

The flip side of this would be fun. A moment comes when people can see and feel the light within so many of you and their own begins sparking with remembrance.

donk
10th July 2013, 16:02
In case anyone hasn’t seen one of the greatest scenes in films history (and therefore may be confused about my post), here it is:

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Jessup goes: “you have the luxury of not knowing what I know….[it] probably saved lives”.

His righteous rant at the end pretty much sums everything pretty well, I can’t think it could be said any better…

Earth Angel
10th July 2013, 16:40
what would blow one persons mind would be old news to many of us......my friends all think I am insane, and unfortunately now my kids are in the same position....being younger they talk about the things my husband and I believe to be true, they research for themselves too but they talk about it and don't care who they are talking to (where as my husband and I have learned there are many things you just can't say to many people).....they get told they are crazy etc. Its very frustrating for them to see people who have not done one moments research to laugh and treat them so condescendingly as if they know it all....they are just sheeple lead by the main stream media yet they act superiorlly intelligent!

So I can't really think of anything that would actually blow my mind as I feel there is so much already that is mind blowing and i believe much of it is true!

Another1
11th July 2013, 02:08
Jessup goes: “you have the luxury of not knowing what I know….[it] probably saved lives”.

His righteous rant at the end pretty much sums everything pretty well, I can’t think it could be said any better…

The movie blurred 2 issues I think. I believe that Jessup is correct. As long as the world is as it is we need men/women who can stand their ground, who can stand on that wall and hold off the bad guys. I don't think anyone argued against that in the movie.

The issue for the court proceedings in the movie was the falsification of records, lying, instigating the murder of another human to keep your treachery a secret. He became a god unto himself and lost sight of what he was hired to defend.

donk
11th July 2013, 03:37
Dude felt entitled to answers. Jessup let him know he don't owe anyone sh!t, we all should be thanking him for his service.

I agree the movie is total fantasy, that he would never really get anything but lies & squashed. It's nice to take a break from reality and imagine a world where power mad psychopaths get exposed and truth & consequences prevail. You can say I'm a dreamer...

Phoenix1304
11th July 2013, 22:53
Dude felt entitled to answers. Jessup let him know he don't owe anyone sh!t, we all should be thanking him for his service.

I agree the movie is total fantasy, that he would never really get anything but lies & squashed. It's nice to take a break from reality and imagine a world where power mad psychopaths get exposed and truth & consequences prevail. You can say I'm a dreamer...

...but you're not the only one....

Violet
11th July 2013, 23:33
Thank you all for your thoughts (many of which shared). :tea:

Peace in your hearts on this beautiful day.

apokalypse
12th July 2013, 13:06
what would blow one persons mind would be old news to many of us......my friends all think I am insane, and unfortunately now my kids are in the same position....being younger they talk about the things my husband and I believe to be true, they research for themselves too but they talk about it and don't care who they are talking to (where as my husband and I have learned there are many things you just can't say to many people).....they get told they are crazy etc. Its very frustrating for them to see people who have not done one moments research to laugh and treat them so condescendingly as if they know it all....they are just sheeple lead by the main stream media yet they act superiorlly intelligent!

So I can't really think of anything that would actually blow my mind as I feel there is so much already that is mind blowing and i believe much of it is true!

i can feel what you saying, seeing kids grow up these days just make me pissed me off...i tried to tell parents to teach their kids like what you did but i got ignore. lived in Asian family is damn tough, at young age parents force their kids to learn abc's-123 and paying fees for tutorials to be somebody Doctors-Lawyers...ect. i'm frustrated for 2 years seeing my Cousin study for HSC at year 11-12...Study Study Study is only thing their family know of and now my cousin nothing but a freaking robot. IF i saying anything parents will get pissed off saying i'm crazy or too much Internet got polluted.

i'm trying to get my cousin watch Citizen hearing on Disclosure or Revelation of pyramids but she ignore me and even don't want to hear what i'm saying.

kids these days just lack of critical thinking by questioning...we live in sad world

Youniverse
12th July 2013, 20:17
You can't handle the truth! :director:

And now my question is: what does it mean? What could be so wicked for us not to be able to handle it?

Is it the existence of aliens? I believe a good deal of people are prepared for that.
Is it that rulers are robbing their citizens? I think that's a public secret many countries have long learned to live with...or revolt against.
Is it genetic experiments on human beings? We know about a man called Mengele, so we can go from there.

I mean, what could (with lots of gruesome conspiracy theories already laid out) still be so surprising that we couldn't handle it? And I'm well aware that's thé question everybody's looking to have answered but still.

In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

You ARE the truth. I AM the truth. Then the question becomes, can you handle who you really are? If there is an evil agenda and conspiracy, it would ultimately have to hide the reality of who we really are, because the reality of who we really are cannot be controlled or subjugated. I don't know if it's a question of the global elites not thinking we can handle the truth, more like it is not in their interests to have us know it. Although there may be some element of being a responsible shephard within those at the very top. In my view, even those that conceal the so-called 'great mysteries and knowledge' are just as lost(even more so) as those they subjugate. They are lost because they obviously have not discovered the truth of who they really are either. They have even done everything in their power to make sure as many humans as possible fail to discover who they really are as well. They are totally identified with their egos and thus unconscious in their ways. This is where compassion comes in, since it is really like a disease(a virus or cancer) that has taken over its hosts.

Youniverse
12th July 2013, 20:22
In case anyone hasn’t seen one of the greatest scenes in films history (and therefore may be confused about my post), here it is:

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Jessup goes: “you have the luxury of not knowing what I know….[it] probably saved lives”.

His righteous rant at the end pretty much sums everything pretty well, I can’t think it could be said any better…

Except that there are those that are aware of higher truths than the ones he's aware of, thus making his truths inconsequential to them.

folotheflo
12th July 2013, 22:17
Anything and everything you or anybeing else has ever thought or dreamnt of, has already happened, or will at some point. We are alive, we are life, as life is us, and life wants to try all variables. I guess the piont is to become wise and evolve

Violet
13th July 2013, 12:25
what would blow one persons mind would be old news to many of us......my friends all think I am insane, and unfortunately now my kids are in the same position....being younger they talk about the things my husband and I believe to be true, they research for themselves too but they talk about it and don't care who they are talking to (where as my husband and I have learned there are many things you just can't say to many people).....they get told they are crazy etc. Its very frustrating for them to see people who have not done one moments research to laugh and treat them so condescendingly as if they know it all....they are just sheeple lead by the main stream media yet they act superiorlly intelligent!

So I can't really think of anything that would actually blow my mind as I feel there is so much already that is mind blowing and i believe much of it is true!

i can feel what you saying, seeing kids grow up these days just make me pissed me off...i tried to tell parents to teach their kids like what you did but i got ignore. lived in Asian family is damn tough, at young age parents force their kids to learn abc's-123 and paying fees for tutorials to be somebody Doctors-Lawyers...ect. i'm frustrated for 2 years seeing my Cousin study for HSC at year 11-12...Study Study Study is only thing their family know of and now my cousin nothing but a freaking robot. IF i saying anything parents will get pissed off saying i'm crazy or too much Internet got polluted.

i'm trying to get my cousin watch Citizen hearing on Disclosure or Revelation of pyramids but she ignore me and even don't want to hear what i'm saying.

kids these days just lack of critical thinking by questioning...we live in sad world

Thanks for sharing this viewpoint apokalypse. You know, it strange, but (I think worldwide) Asians are exactly respected for their "diligence" in study. Everybody has this image of "that bright Asian dude". If it's something that not only earns you so much scientific advances but also worldwide respect, isn't it something that in the end you should be somewhat grateful for to your parents?

There are continents on the planet where children's parents can't school them or simply don't care and this very visibly shows in the country's worldwide position in terms of science, technology and foremost: economy.

On the other hand I do agree that space should be left for a child to be a child. Playing is also learning. Playing too much is dumbing down, but that's my opinion.

Violet
13th July 2013, 12:29
You can't handle the truth! :director:

And now my question is: what does it mean? What could be so wicked for us not to be able to handle it?

Is it the existence of aliens? I believe a good deal of people are prepared for that.
Is it that rulers are robbing their citizens? I think that's a public secret many countries have long learned to live with...or revolt against.
Is it genetic experiments on human beings? We know about a man called Mengele, so we can go from there.

I mean, what could (with lots of gruesome conspiracy theories already laid out) still be so surprising that we couldn't handle it? And I'm well aware that's thé question everybody's looking to have answered but still.

In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

You ARE the truth. I AM the truth. Then the question becomes, can you handle who you really are? If there is an evil agenda and conspiracy, it would ultimately have to hide the reality of who we really are, because the reality of who we really are cannot be controlled or subjugated. I don't know if it's a question of the global elites not thinking we can handle the truth, more like it is not in their interests to have us know it. Although there may be some element of being a responsible shephard within those at the very top. In my view, even those that conceal the so-called 'great mysteries and knowledge' are just as lost(even more so) as those they subjugate. They are lost because they obviously have not discovered the truth of who they really are either. They have even done everything in their power to make sure as many humans as possible fail to discover who they really are as well. They are totally identified with their egos and thus unconscious in their ways. This is where compassion comes in, since it is really like a disease(a virus or cancer) that has taken over its hosts.

Do you ever get that feeling that you are not real? That you're just standing next to yourself and watching your body doing all these things that must be very real I guess but to you they feel like light years away.

I wonder what it's like to feel like a real truth...

Taurean
13th July 2013, 14:01
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."

Sir Winston Churchill

Many people, imho, prefer not to know !

apokalypse
13th July 2013, 15:12
Thanks for sharing this viewpoint apokalypse. You know, it strange, but (I think worldwide) Asians are exactly respected for their "diligence" in study. Everybody has this image of "that bright Asian dude". If it's something that not only earns you so much scientific advances but also worldwide respect, isn't it something that in the end you should be somewhat grateful for to your parents?

There are continents on the planet where children's parents can't school them or simply don't care and this very visibly shows in the country's worldwide position in terms of science, technology and foremost: economy.

On the other hand I do agree that space should be left for a child to be a child. Playing is also learning. Playing too much is dumbing down, but that's my opinion.

i'm having more of problem with Education systems and the programs kids going to which we in here the Alternative have said for years...focusing on study inside the paradigm to keep the system keep going?

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why kids need to study hard that controllers is trying to potrait or society should be? study hard is not a problem but the problem is kids doesn't have critical thinking by questioning and reject the ideas/answers against the paradigm. the root of the problem is education system...

write4change
13th July 2013, 15:31
the more I know the more I know what I don't know. the more I read this site, the less sure of there being any truth I am. the more I understand perception, the more I doubt even my own so called truths. I have become less inclined to teach anything although I have been a seeker and teacher all my life.

Youniverse
13th July 2013, 16:48
You can't handle the truth! :director:

And now my question is: what does it mean? What could be so wicked for us not to be able to handle it?

Is it the existence of aliens? I believe a good deal of people are prepared for that.
Is it that rulers are robbing their citizens? I think that's a public secret many countries have long learned to live with...or revolt against.
Is it genetic experiments on human beings? We know about a man called Mengele, so we can go from there.

I mean, what could (with lots of gruesome conspiracy theories already laid out) still be so surprising that we couldn't handle it? And I'm well aware that's thé question everybody's looking to have answered but still.

In my view people today are so seen-it-all that really...What would it take to shock somebody in 2013?

You ARE the truth. I AM the truth. Then the question becomes, can you handle who you really are? If there is an evil agenda and conspiracy, it would ultimately have to hide the reality of who we really are, because the reality of who we really are cannot be controlled or subjugated. I don't know if it's a question of the global elites not thinking we can handle the truth, more like it is not in their interests to have us know it. Although there may be some element of being a responsible shephard within those at the very top. In my view, even those that conceal the so-called 'great mysteries and knowledge' are just as lost(even more so) as those they subjugate. They are lost because they obviously have not discovered the truth of who they really are either. They have even done everything in their power to make sure as many humans as possible fail to discover who they really are as well. They are totally identified with their egos and thus unconscious in their ways. This is where compassion comes in, since it is really like a disease(a virus or cancer) that has taken over its hosts.

Do you ever get that feeling that you are not real? That you're just standing next to yourself and watching your body doing all these things that must be very real I guess but to you they feel like light years away.

I wonder what it's like to feel like a real truth...

Yes. Once in a while I look down at my hand or body and see it as something foreign to me, artificial. The same goes for thoughts, emotions, words, and actions, at certain times. Of course, I know there is a purpose for these manifestations and so I still honour them. The only REAL part of you is the real YOU. And it is not actually a PART of you, rather, it is all of you. This is consciousness itself. The rest are simply ephemeral forms. As actors that put on different costumes and make-up for their roles. What we typically call our lives are really just a bundle of roles that we play. We are not our roles. We cannot be something that we have. Just as we have a body(physical body), but we are not a body. We are the one that has a body. We don't have a life, we ARE life itself, and so we cannot lose something we are.

Youniverse
13th July 2013, 17:03
the more I know the more I know what I don't know. the more I read this site, the less sure of there being any truth I am. the more I understand perception, the more I doubt even my own so called truths. I have become less inclined to teach anything although I have been a seeker and teacher all my life.

That's good! That's useful in your spiritual progress. As Niszagardatta and many others have suggested, once you go through the process of understanding what you are not, all that is left is what you are. We are nothing, yet the word "nothing" has been misleading and really misrepresents what we are. You can break the word into NO THING and this more accurately represents what you are, consciousness itself. Yet, you have a body and it is a thing. Look at the way Buddha is represented (forgive me I forget which country, it may have been China) with two characters. One character means "no." The other character means "man." One may interpret this as meaning "no man," but this would be innaccurate in my opinion. It means he is both. Two realities in one. It means formless consciousness expressing itself in form. The only difference with Buddha is that he is completely aware of this fact where countless others identified primarily with the form part.

Maia Gabrial
13th July 2013, 17:12
What if the truth is about what our bodies really are? What if Avatar is closer to the truth than we've been allowed to know? What if we're all here test driving these bodies like a test pilot would a prototype aircraft, taking them to their limits? Since genetics is such a prized commodity in the Universe, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that that's what we're all doing right now? What if Earth was the chosen grounds for this; hence the quarantine...? It probably wasn't enough to design a meat suit or clone because there's no challenge with them. What if giving these bodies consciousness is the latest thing in physical bodies; and the Universal communities are watching all the stretching, pushing, poking, prodding through all the abuses, wars, famine, diseases, etc before they put an order in for one themselves?

Youniverse
13th July 2013, 17:25
What if the truth is about what our bodies really are? What if Avatar is closer to the truth than we've been allowed to know? What if we're all here test driving these bodies like a test pilot would a prototype aircraft, taking them to their limits? Since genetics is such a prized commodity in the Universe, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that that's what we're all doing right now? What if Earth was the chosen grounds for this; hence the quarantine...? It probably wasn't enough to design a meat suit or clone because there's no challenge with them. What if giving these bodies consciousness is the latest thing in physical bodies; and the Universal communities are watching all the stretching, pushing, poking, prodding through all the abuses, wars, famine, diseases, etc before they put an order in for one themselves?

Yes that's as valid a perspective as any. Part of my point was that consciousness is primary, form is secondary. This is not to say that form should not be honoured. We honour form by continuing to create, to express, play. We wouldn't be here doing this if there wasn't some worth to it, or purpose for it. However, the ultimate purpose of it cannot be understood through our minds.

apokalypse
28th July 2013, 12:24
biggest problem with people is Stubborn and ignorance, they refuse to considering it would be a fact and start seeking for the truth. The Truth is in front of their face that we being lied and manipulate such things as Science-Education-history-ecnomonic...ect but people still stick their freaking head into the sand. on Mainstream they call it UFO which appeared all over the world with witnesses like people who appeared on Citizen Hearing but some people still out there denied.

doesn't matter what you throw at these stubborn and ignorance people, they still in denied everything and waiting for Confirmation/Approval from Authority like Academic and high credential personnel, NASA-Governent...ect. if not on Mainstream Media or academic text books then is not a fact..Impossible to blow their mind.