Are aliens really demons?

[humanalien]

Compiles lots of modern photos and video footage with records and drawings of ancient aliens left by our ancestors.

So why all the mystery about who the Aliens are? All of the records and evidence point to the truth that they are the NEPHILIM races described in the Bible as hybrid human species derived from fallen angels mating with human women.................

Genesis 6:2.....That the sons of God ( meaning fallen angels, those who followed Satan in rebellion against God ) saw the daughters ( meaning women of the earth ) of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The records indicate that the offspring produced several different gentile races. Some were giants / titans, some were reptilian, some had extra arms and 6 fingers, hair covered humanoids like Esau...

And we even see evidence of this remaining in our human gene pool on recessive genes... giantism is called acromegaly now... humans born with 6 fingers are called polydactyl ... humans born covered with hair are diagnosed with hypertrichosis... on and on...

As for the hybrid alien races that survived with their technology thousands of years ahead, we see them too. Esaus hair-covered humanoid decendants in the mountains are called bigfoot... And over 20 witnesses in a Russian park (including policemen, school children, a janitor... all walks of life) saw a craft land and 3 giants over 9 feet tall stepped out into clear view.

So the aliens are not just "little green men" but many diverse races of gentile humanoids that have inhabited this planet as long as humans have.

They are not coming from outer space... they are coming from below our feet. They live beneath the surface in an UNDERWORLD or hollow honeycombed earth... and beneath the ocean's surface. They do not inhabit the surface of earth, but visit often... and that's when we see them... throughout ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLqrTKZFX30

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, you just copied the entire YouTube text!

There's certainly evidence that some ETs, UTs (ultra-terrestrials) or IDs (inter-dimensionals) appear to us exactly in whatever way that suits them. That then tends to make our perceptions of them culture-contingent.

But of course, there is plenty of life on other planets (duh!), and, of course, some of those travelers have made their way here -- in both space and maybe in time, also. So to blanket the entire complex (and important) discussion with a few pithy, easy, summary, dismissive phrases is not very intelligent or helpful.

(PS: I wrote all that myself. :) )

[shadowstalker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLqrTKZFX30

[Mike]

What's a demon?

Here we get into a semantical battle with labels and so forth, so the question is really quite slippery.

I don't put too much faith in biblical texts - the "kind and merciful" God of the old testament spent the first few books wiping out everyone in sight. Therefore "Satan" couldn't have been too bad of a guy (demon?), trying to oppose this tyrannical "God" right?

Of course that's likely an archetypal tale involving extraterrestrial/other dimensional beings that we know very little about...but that's another thread, I s'pose.

The problem is, we use terms like " aliens", "interdimensionals", "time travelers" and so on, and they're every bit as vague and ambiguous as the word "demon". And now we have this conundrum of comparing one vague and ambiguous word with another. Where to begin?

These words mean different things to different people. if we asked the forum what an alien is, we might get 50 different answers. Ditto with 'demon'. How do we compare without a consensus?

[shadowstalker]

How do we compare without a consensus?

We don't, We Can't.
But that's my personal consensus... :rolleyes:

[Mike]

How do we compare without a consensus?

We don't, We Can't.
But that's my personal consensus... :rolleyes:


Mine too;)

[Freed Fox]

We certainly shouldn't be so eager to slap labels upon other entities, of which we know very little (evidence of abductions and other such phenomena pertain to certain factions, not entire species), and particularly when these labels as mentioned previously often lack general consensus as to their meaning. 'Extra-terrestrial' is straightforward enough, 'demon' not so much.

Also, six fingers (polydactylism) is a dominant trait, not recessive.

[Justintime]

Are demons really aliens?

[donk]

I dunno dude, I think semantics can only take you so far.

An alien is a being from not where you are. We call Mexicans that come to the states aliens. It works. It does not mean 50 different things, it is someone from not here. Here being where you are, right now.

Demons are beings that are different than humans. They are different in that humans get their energy from light. Demons get their energy from fear (emotional energy, usually human).

Demons could be aliens. And vice versa. There is a plethora, perhaps infinite amount of manifestations of consciousness—these words are two of our (broad) categorizations of other’s experiences, an attempt at a common ground to be able to communicate an experience with entities we do not understand.

We have to have words we can share/relate to if we want to exchange information.

[Fred Steeves]

Are humans really the good guys?

[shadowstalker]

Are humans really the good guys?
Not all, some my see us as demons
Even some humans see other humans as demonic

[Mike]

Semantics never get us too far donk. I agree. I prefer direct language, but how does one apply it in a situation like this?

Aliens have alternately been mixed in with "time travelers", "other-dimensionals", humanoid creatures from other planets like ours, "demons" , "gods" etc etc..

Its become an umbrella term for a whole bunch of sh!t we don't really understand.

We do need some sort of consensus. That's what I was trying to say. I'm in agreement with you brother.

[donk]

right....the word demonic implies harmful to humans.

Consciousness probably takes infinite (therefore every) form, and so these labels do have a "correct" use (aka definition).

[Mike]

right....the word demonic implies harmful to humans.

Consciousness probably takes infinite (therefore every) form, and so these labels do have a "correct" use (aka definition).


Aluminum can be harmful to humans too, but we don't call it 'demonic', know what I mean?

Of course now we're doing the semantics dance;)

[donk]

weeeeelll, if you'll go back a few posts, you will find what I think of as universal definition of demonic:


Demons get their energy from fear (emotional energy, usually human).


Anyone wanna parse these words? :rolleyes:


...oh yeah...I forgot...the term implies a consciousness. So only an entity or it's actions can be considered demonic.

I'm fairly certain I can crush the semantics...let's try:

New game:

Describe an entity.

Alien? Demon? Both or neither?

[Mike]

weeeeelll, if you'll go back a few posts, you will find what I think of as universal definition of demonic:


Demons get their energy from fear (emotional energy, usually human).


Anyone wanna parse these words? :rolleyes:


Ha! I hear ya mate, but maybe "aliens" do too!;)

[johnf]

When I think of mankind at large , I can understand why people grab onto
simplified answers such as et's, angels, demons.
These encounters have a tendency to remind us of the greater reality that we live in.
Some of that reality can be understood , but, no matter what we actually find out, what we don't understand will still be infinite.
It is the minds job to answer questions, it does not like to acknowledge the unknowable.
Labels work well for physical objects. With our fellow beings they tend to put us under the power of others by our own consent.
World religions seems to give us the illusion that we have understood this interdimensional reality (whatever that really is), and that the choices are simple, we get to stop asking.

jf

[Mike]

We do of course need labels to give us relative distinction, but I guess my point, in this case anyway, is that distinction can't be separated with a piece of paper. We can assign similar and slightly different attributes to all the labels being discussed here, and still never know if we're talking about the same thing or something entirely different.

[Mike]

I'd personally love to hear from some of our members who've had abduction experiences...

[william r sanford72]

i have gotten many welts from the bible belt in the last 2 years over my encounters.seems the southern baptist call em demons...the local catholicks...no comment...on and on from a bible belt perspective.havnt had chance to ask a musilm but my brother law who is hindu seemed the most open.still need to run it by a few other persons.religion.nice box to put it all into.labels tend to do what religion does but we have to start somewhere.

[Agape]

Have you heard about humans ? Do you believe they exist ? They are said to be living in their own bubble of time-space on one tiny planet, at the edge of one remote galaxy ..far away in Space.

They eat dogs . No , seriously .. They eat even their own kids. What a nonsense .

I for one do not believe in your version of humans . They are kind and loving species .

:cantina:

[Mike]

i have gotten many welts from the bible belt in the last 2 years over my encounters.seems the southern baptist call em demons...the local catholicks...no comment...on and on from a bible belt perspective.havnt had chance to ask a musilm but my brother law who is hindu seemed the most open.still need to run it by a few other persons.religion.nice box to put it all into.labels tend to do what religion does but we have to start somewhere.


Hi William,

I believe the Hindu religion has many "gods". To me that might mean a lot of things, but my guess is that they have a comprehensive understanding of the various species of beings( if you will) in the universe - both seen and unseen. A knowledgeable Hindi man might be a beacon of light for us.

[Justintime]

As far as semantics go our languages are far to inferior to describe any experience that we have ever had. To say an alien is someone who isn't from around here or native to earth, well you could make a good argument that humans are alien to earth. Or aliens could be human time travelers from the past or future. So, who knows really. Demons, if demons are beings that feed off the darkness that humans generate, well, humans do this to other humans and therefore could be considered demons. IDK, you could say Humans are able to change their shape so to speak.

This is an interesting topic though. To add to it, would you say that aliens could be angels too?

[william r sanford72]

Chinaski..you should be a fly on the wall at my inlaws dinner table.hard core southern baptist..hindus..native american beliefs and so on.wonderful learning..about what it is to just be human.and some pretty silent suppers to...um pass the pepper please.

[Mike]

Chinaski..you should be a fly on the wall at my inlaws dinner table.hard core southern baptist..hindus..native american beliefs and so on.wonderful learning..about what it is to just be human.and some pretty silent suppers to...um pass the pepper please.

sounds great man!:cantina:

am I invited? ill bring the booze;)

[Mike]

As far as semantics go our languages are far to inferior to describe any experience that we have ever had. To say an alien is someone who isn't from around here or native to earth, well you could make a good argument that humans are alien to earth. Or aliens could be human time travelers from the past or future. So, who knows really. Demons, if demons are beings that feed off the darkness that humans generate, well, humans do this to other humans and therefore could be considered demons. IDK, you could say Humans are able to change their shape so to speak.

This is an interesting topic though. To add to it, would you say that aliens could be angels too?


And "angels" too! forgot about that one Justintime. thanks brother;)

[Sunny-side-up]

Are humans really the good guys?

Only the Humane ones Fred:croc:

[thunder24]

what if the ET's are being inhabited by demons, that aren't physical to us, so that the demon would have a physical body to operate in what we call physical space?

Should we send up our dopplegangers to take over the demons taking over the ET's? Lyrans, tau ceti's, and Bears (ursa major)... OH MY~~!!

[GoodETxSG]

ET's, ED's, tomato's, tomata's wtf? these are humans scrambling from terms they have in their collective lexicons of the time to explain what is beyond explanation in our current form and ability to understand these random other worldly experiences....

It must be a spiritual experience of the devil (Which it well could!). Some of these beings are just a state of mind from moving to the next density... all they need is some sort of energy sucked from a host in the density they find themselves in...

They feel theirs is the top of the pyramid and the rest of us are to be loathed and treated as tasty mice that snake terrorize and consume as they move along their wayward journey. IMHO.

[ghostrider]

To a satanist, a demon would be an angel ...a good thing for them in their eyes ... it's all perspective ... to christians anything that is not of god or angels has to be demons/evil ... primitive cultures encountered ET's and called them the sons of heaven, thinking they are gods but , actually were people much taller and older and wiser and had more technology that the locals couldn't comprehend ...sooooo it must be magic right ??? lol

[donk]

Really? No one likes my definition? Even to a satanist a demon is a demon. It's a thing, maybe Webster can say it better, but there's definitely a thing. Called a demon. C'mon! Like a rose? By any other name? Demon. And alien. It may not be nice. But that's what it is. It's a word. Most of us share. Like it or not.

Aliens can have demons. Demons could be aliens. Dudes that look and act (and quack) like one, are one. Cuz we have rules. This is not 'nam! Let go of your emotional attachments to them and accept them.

And the fact that translation of the ancient text and artifact may not be enough information to use either word for. Or maybe it's enough to do both? But definitions of words are not necessarily supposed to be subjective, in this context.

[Youniverse]

Of course there is the term "demonizing." So when we don't understand something and decide we strongly disagree with it, the step of demonizing it isn't far off. But I know that's not what was meant by demons in the OP. It is helpful to question terms like "demon" and "alien" actually. It can direct us in reflecting on our personal fears and belief systems. Now if a person does not believe that Satan exists, the concept of a demon changes quite drastically. However, powerful malevolent entities most surely exist and it would probably serve most of us well to avoid them. The term "demon" may seem to suit certain entities quite well. I would tend to disagree that any particular ET that is unfriendly to humans should be considered a demon, especially implying the meaning of the word "demon" that most people would use. I agree with Bill Ryan that using names like "demon" tend to over-conceptualize something or someone and thus we stop looking for the totality of what it really is. When we call something a demon we think we have it all sized up and understand exactly what it is, but do we? No of course not. We only see the concept that holds us back from further examination. So lets shy away from applying names like angels or gods or demons in referring to entities we know little to nothing about.

[nomadguy]

Keep in mind that we also have language that contours our perception. Note ~ The word 'demon" comes from the word Daemon a ( Latinized versions of the Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_%28classical_mythology%29)). And that the meaning has both positive and negative traits...
There are beyond trillions of stars and planets out there in what we call "space". It is likely that it is teaming with life. In that type of landscape there is an incalculable variety of what we might call "life" and there is no blanket description for any of it. If we want to understand these things we had better open our eyes and our minds good n wide. Our language's and their built-in associations are like looking through pinhole into the vastness of the universe.

[Mike]

Keep in mind that we also have language that contours our perception. Note ~ The word 'demon" comes from the word Daemon a ( Latinized versions of the Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_%28classical_mythology%29)). And that the meaning has both positive and negative traits...
There are beyond trillions of stars and planets out there in what we call "space". It is likely that it is teaming with life. In that type of landscape there is an incalculable variety of what we might call "life" and there is no blanket description for any of it. If we want to understand these things we had better open our eyes and our minds good n wide. Our language's and their built-in associations are like looking through pinhole into the vastness of the universe.


Well said mate!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'd personally love to hear from some of our members who've had abduction experiences...

I will try to briefly do so.

I always find it most interesting that so many 'experts', researchers, youtube warriors et al, who have never actually experienced these beings, seem to have the most to say with regards to what ‘they are’, or what they ‘are not.’

I do not believe it arrogance on my part to state: listen more to me, and my ilk, for I have experienced this phenomenon. I have stood face to face with these beings.

They are not demons. This is a silly, ancient, biblical label that immediately colours the depiction as being negative. They are not demons. ETs are not demons, guys. This is all ancient Judeo-Christian mythology. Forget it already. Nor are they fallen angels – Elohim. Still mythology, ancient tales written in an ancient time by primitive peoples with primitive understanding; when this type of language was all that was available. They had no idea of the Universe, or the greater Reality. Now we know better - should know better. I do. So, rather than Ets being fallen angels, it is actually the other way round...

I have had positive experiences with these beings. And funnily enough, those positive ones were such because for whatever reason I understood what was going on at the time – I recognised who and what these beings were due to perhaps some kind intervention on behalf of intuition, the unconscious, or my ‘Higher Self’ - or maybe recollection from other experiences. The negative I have had, though the same beings, were perceived to be negative simply because all that I was experiencing was being filtered through my normal, waking consciousness (not the purer, higher consciousness, the spiritual self) – ie my own primitive human psyche, which is full of Fear, and social and cultural programming.

The important thing to understand is I was never harmed.

I don’t have all the answers. But I have one. The classic greys of the human abduction phenomenon are extra-terrestrial and/or inter-dimensional. Not of this earth. They are not demons.

[donk]

People have such emotional attachments to words and ideas. To me, a demon is a critter that gets off on or gets energy from the fear or non-love based emotions of humans. This can include entities from here, entities from elsewhere, intereimensional creeps, or entities that only exist in your mind or only hypothetically.

But there's a thing, called demon. Whether you wanna get all negative about that reality, this fact of the English language, is up to you...call a spade a spade, if it walks like a duck, and all that..

[Arak]

My intuition says that both are real, but not the same.

Aliens have body and soul, demons lack body. And are demons evil from human point of view? Depends ofc from the POV, but usually they are just sort of parasites feeding on negative emotions.

Actually we all might have a soul parasite attached to us - our ego. It shares many similarities with evil entities. And many shamans and like say that there are some astral creatures lurking around us, leeching energy with some sort of tubes or pipes.