Edward Snowden: is he really what he seems to be?

[TargeT]

What actual information was released by Snowden's "leaks" ?

Was it anything new, anything that wasn't previously known?

Why does Snowden seem exactly like "wikileaks", both told us things we already knew & never "named names" and (even the snowden leaks) did not tell us any information that can be acted on or is acted on (no follow up criminal law suits etc..).

Why is Snowden getting so much coverage with so little information, we KNOW the MSM is basically government propaganda & so anything they heavily cover has been cleared and approved.
:spy:
With all we know on this how can we NOT understand that snowden is simply a distraction & possibly acts as a "release" valve for building anti-government tensions; I'm sure this situation is being used for multiple purposes.

This video brings up some excellent questions on the Snowden situation (starting at 12:50, though the entire interview gives more relevant back-story information).

nPN6AI2tzt0

Are we this easily manipulated?

Can anything with this level of coverage be trusted?

[william r sanford72]

WHAMOLA!!..been flipping and turning them thoughts over and feelings..hastings to me seemed a true un controlled leak.snowden a puppet??dont know.wait and see.thanks TargeT for this thread.

[ViralSpiral]

Are we this easily manipulated?




This sums it up for me.

Our naivety of the real agenda.
The continuous divide/conquer game.
Mere spectators at a magic show.


Having also just read Carmody's thread about the Navy releasing cold fusion and transmutation patents, seems to me that some of the wizards are revealing their secrets.


onward/forward

[Curt]

I'm not buying it, and I've never bought into Wikileaks for the exact reasons you've mentioned.

1.) Nothing altogether interesting was actually revealed by either; 2.) Mainstream Media keeps hyping how 'devastating' the revelations were.

It's probably a way to let anyone who didn't already know that the government is listening to everything know that the government is listening to everything.

It creates a bigger shockwave that everyone can feel.

It increases paranoia. Increases the feeling that we should be careful what we say and do. And it eases us all into accepting more Big Brother protectionism.

[william r sanford72]

Adapt/overcome...to ViralSpiral.

[TargeT]

It creates a bigger shockwave that everyone can feel.

It increases paranoia. Increases the feeling that we should be careful what we say and do. And it eases us all into accepting more Big Brother protectionism.

Interesting concept...

Could this be just an elaborate threat delivery method?

"Don't even bother being a dissident; if you were even contemplating it, WE know all!"

I hadn't thought of that angle before, that would make sense, we already know how "all powerful" the military is and the vague threat of Martial Law has been hanging out there for a long time, now we "know" that we can't even conspire/co-operate for helpful change because it will be known due to the constant monitoring that we are under.

This motive makes a bit more sense than what I had previously considered; this was a pre-emptive psychological strike to at least thin out the opposition if not crush it entirely as the thought that they have all the guns and all the info is lodged in our subconscious.

[seehas]

edward snowden is a walking agenda, with this guy its possible to find a reason why the internet has to be locked up and due to media hype its possible to reach john doe.

just watch the show its allways the same game they play

[Ultima Thule]

Could Snowden be just another problem, in the media is the reaction and we shall soon be delivered the "solution"?

[Curt]

Yep.

The people doing the spying use the (fake) story of a guy trying to save us all from spying to sneakily and unconsciously get us to accept spying as a way of life.

Brilliant. Doesn't get more devious than that.

;)




It creates a bigger shockwave that everyone can feel.

It increases paranoia. Increases the feeling that we should be careful what we say and do. And it eases us all into accepting more Big Brother protectionism.

Interesting concept...

Could this be just an elaborate threat delivery method?

"Don't even bother being a dissident; if you were even contemplating it, WE know all!"

I hadn't thought of that angle before, that would make sense, we already know how "all powerful" the military is and the vague threat of Martial Law has been hanging out there for a long time, now we "know" that we can't even conspire/co-operate for helpful change because it will be known due to the constant monitoring that we are under.

This motive makes a bit more sense than what I had previously considered; this was a pre-emptive psychological strike to at least thin out the opposition if not crush it entirely as the thought that they have all the guns and all the info is lodged in our subconscious.

[Ernie Nemeth]

You know there is a real good test to see if they are actually able to listen to, and act upon if necessary, every and any text, email, phone call or other electronic communication.

Pretend you are a terrorist and send "threatening" and "suspicious" messages to another. Then see if any alphabet agency shows up to arrest and indefinitely detain you...

[seehas]

Could Snowden be just another problem, in the media is the reaction and we shall soon be delivered the "solution"?


yeah thats 100% what i think

[sigma6]

I think they are taking some kind of desperate risk if he is (and I do lean toward the "ambiguous" category with a big A)
Because the flip side is that it has the potential to wake a lot of people up, and no matter how slow witted, every awoken mind is important to the cause of all of our personal freedoms.

People should start looking to anonymous and others to show us how to learn how to communicate more effectively using proxies, private networks, something tells me that will be an important skill set in the next few years...

[TargeT]

People should start looking to anonymous and others to show us how to learn how to communicate more effectively using proxies, private networks, something tells me that will be an important skill set in the next few years...

that would "slow them down", but clearly even anonymous doesn't know how to avoid being tracked (see various law suits against anon members after the Scientology attacks) encryption is a much better method of keeping your communications private (though at the endpoints there still is some vulnerability, and encryption is one of the best ways to peek the interest of the watchers).

Since all traffic at major hubs is collected & archived (see AT&T whistle blowers etc.., I've personally seen one of these rooms in alaska) the chances that you will hit a proxy server far enough away from your current location to not give you away, but close enough to not hit a major hub is very slim.

[Tesseract]

It’s my understanding that these *interesting* things were revealed, or at least essentially confirmed by Wikileaks in the cases where suspicions or rumours already existed. Who has revealed or confirmed more? Doug Hagmann? Ben Fulford? Any investigative journalist you care to name?

Besides, Wikileaks is just the gateway – they rely on other people feeding them documents.

1) Revealed that Saudi Arabia has been urging US to bomb Iran
2) Revealed that Fatah has asked Israel to attack other Palestinians (Hamas).
3) Revealed Turkey has been providing Israel with codes to Russian made s300 missiles that Israel’s foes wish to install.
4) Revealed that USA was bombing Yemen and entered an agreement to pretend to the world that it was Yemen bombing itself.
5) Revealed that USA was collecting DNA samples from UN diplomats
6) Revealed casualty specifics from Afghanistan war
7) Revealed 1000s of deaths in Iraq not previously acknowledge by Iraq body count.
8) Revealed (and named) Australian MP(s) acting as informant(s) to US diplomats

As for Snowden, I have found his commentary very interesting as well, and I suspect he has a lot more to offer. The media is making a show of it all - but would you prefer Obama's attempts to get this guy in prison be ignored or covered up?

[TargeT]

the multiple NSA and FBI (one from AT&T) whistle blowers that have not gotten any media play revealed and confirmed far more, going so far as to name names & give pieces of evidence that suggest far more insidious things are going on.

[Tesseract]

All whistle blowers in Obama's gulags need more attention. Unfortunately the media does not see it as their duty to put a spotlight on them.

[TargeT]

All whistle blowers in Obama's gulags need more attention. Unfortunately the media does not see it as their duty to put a spotlight on them.


Media does have a heavy liberal bias now, perhaps this is partially (or mostly) the case, however I don't think so because wiki-leaks and Snowden have continued to garnish massive MSM attention under Obama's regime; something else appears to be the case.

It is more plausible to me that snowden/manning/wikileaks got the "nod" and the other (more damaging, direct evidence bearing) whistle blowers did not.

[bennycog]

I think we have to sometimes be confident that we are moving forward amongst the new whistleblowers..
The coverage of of Snowden and wikileaks seems to be mostly about them hiding and who is taking them under their wing more than the actual information that they have..
And if we are to believe the things we do, such as the secret governments and the layer upon layer of lies told to us by them...
Then we need to be able to look and feel and adjust to these whistlblowers. We will surely see through it when we try to absorb them and see how our minds react to their push of information..
A true alternative open minded and skepitcal individual will keep their eyes open and their foot resting on the brakes..

[161803398]

"In the course of his professional life in the world of national security Edward Snowden must have gone through numerous probing interviews, lie detector examinations, and exceedingly detailed background checks, as well as filling out endless forms carefully designed to catch any kind of falsehood or inconsistency. The Washington Post (June 10) reported that “several officials said the CIA will now undoubtedly begin reviewing the process by which Snowden may have been hired, seeking to determine whether there were any missed signs that he might one day betray national secrets.”

Yes, there was a sign they missed – Edward Snowden had something inside him shaped like a conscience, just waiting for a cause."

http://williamblum.org/aer/read/118


"Before there was Edward Snowden, William Binney and Thomas Drake … before there was Bradley Manning, Sibel Edmonds and Jesselyn Radack … there was Philip Agee. What Agee revealed is still the most startling and important information about US foreign policy that any American government whistleblower has ever revealed.

Philip Agee spent 12 years (1957-69) as a CIA case officer, most of it in Latin America. His first book, Inside the Company: CIA Diary, published in 1974 – a pioneering work on the Agency’s methods and their devastating consequences – appeared in about 30 languages around the world and was a best seller in many countries; it included a 23-page appendix with the names of hundreds of undercover Agency operatives and organizations.

Under CIA manipulation, direction and, usually, their payroll, were past and present presidents of Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay, and Costa Rica, “our minister of labor”, “our vice-president”, “my police”, journalists, labor leaders, student leaders, diplomats, and many others. If the Agency wished to disseminate anti-communist propaganda, cause dissension in leftist ranks, or have Communist embassy personnel expelled, it need only prepare some phoney documents, present them to the appropriate government ministers and journalists, and – presto! – instant scandal.

Agee’s goal in naming all these individuals, quite simply, was to make it as difficult as he could for the CIA to continue doing its dirty work.

A common Agency tactic was writing editorials and phoney news stories to be knowingly published by Latin American media with no indication of the CIA authorship or CIA payment to the media. The propaganda value of such a “news” item might be multiplied by being picked up by other CIA stations in Latin America who would disseminate it through a CIA-owned news agency or a CIA-owned radio station. Some of these stories made their way back to the United States to be read or heard by unknowing North Americans.

Wooing the working class came in for special treatment. Labor organizations by the dozen, sometimes hardly more than names on stationery, were created, altered, combined, liquidated, and new ones created again, in an almost frenzied attempt to find the right combination to compete with existing left-oriented unions and take national leadership away from them.

In 1975 these revelations were new and shocking; for many readers it was the first hint that American foreign policy was not quite what their high-school textbooks had told them nor what the New York Times had reported.

“As complete an account of spy work as is likely to be published anywhere, an authentic account of how an ordinary American or British ‘case officer’ operates … All of it … presented with deadly accuracy,” wrote Miles Copeland, a former CIA station chief, and ardent foe of Agee. (There’s no former CIA officer more hated by members of the intelligence establishment than Agee; no one’s even close; due in part to his traveling to Cuba and having long-term contact with Cuban intelligence.)

In contrast to Agee, WikiLeaks withheld the names of hundreds of informants from the nearly 400,000 Iraq war documents it released.

In 1969, Agee resigned from the CIA (and colleagues who “long ago ceased to believe in what they are doing”).

While on the run from the CIA as he was writing Inside the Company – at times literally running for his life – Agee was expelled from, or refused admittance to, Italy, Britain, France, West Germany, the Netherlands, and Norway. (West Germany eventually gave him asylum because his wife was a leading ballerina in the country.) Agee’s account of his period on the run can be found detailed in his book On the Run (1987). It’s an exciting read."


http://www.minds.com/blog/view/138296/the-leading-whistleblower-of-all-time-philip-agee

[Curt]

1.) The information would have been familiar to your average Washington cocktail party attendee.

2.) None of this information wouldn't already have been known to the governments in question.

So, I guess *interesting* is a relative term. ;)

As for Obama's attempt to imprison Snowden....

I'm more concerned about his 'administration's' wholesale war against the American people than I am about this particular Punch and Judy show.



It’s my understanding that these *interesting* things were revealed, or at least essentially confirmed by Wikileaks in the cases where suspicions or rumours already existed. Who has revealed or confirmed more? Doug Hagmann? Ben Fulford? Any investigative journalist you care to name?

Besides, Wikileaks is just the gateway – they rely on other people feeding them documents.

1) Revealed that Saudi Arabia has been urging US to bomb Iran
2) Revealed that Fatah has asked Israel to attack other Palestinians (Hamas).
3) Revealed Turkey has been providing Israel with codes to Russian made s300 missiles that Israel’s foes wish to install.
4) Revealed that USA was bombing Yemen and entered an agreement to pretend to the world that it was Yemen bombing itself.
5) Revealed that USA was collecting DNA samples from UN diplomats
6) Revealed casualty specifics from Afghanistan war
7) Revealed 1000s of deaths in Iraq not previously acknowledge by Iraq body count.
8) Revealed (and named) Australian MP(s) acting as informant(s) to US diplomats

As for Snowden, I have found his commentary very interesting as well, and I suspect he has a lot more to offer. The media is making a show of it all - but would you prefer Obama's attempts to get this guy in prison be ignored or covered up?

[ThePythonicCow]

1.) The information would have been familiar to your average Washington cocktail party attendee.

2.) None of this information wouldn't already have been known to the governments in question.

So, I guess *interesting* is a relative term. ;)

As for Obama's attempt to imprison Snowden....

I'm more concerned about his 'administration's' wholesale war against the American people than I am about this particular Punch and Judy show.

It looks to me like the battle between the banksters and the intelligence organizations is going increasingly public.

Snowden has signficantly increased the exposure of the NSA as a "bad guy" in the public eye.

We have had much bad publicity for the banksters in the last few years. Consider for example the Occupy Wall Street movement.

The intelligence agencies have stayed largely out of public view, just as they prefer it.

Thanks to Snowden, more ordinary people might recognize NSA as some spy agency, not just the abbreviation for "No Strings Attached" in personal ads.

Score one point for the banksters.

[Curt]

This is an intriguing possibility, but what specifically tips you off that there is a war brewing between these two factions?

I'm certainly not dismissing anything, but, devil's advocate: wouldn't the intelligence community be more or less dependent upon the banking elite, and therefore wouldn't they essentially serve them?

Are the agencies now biting the hand that feeds them? Or am I missing a key piece of the story?



1.) The information would have been familiar to your average Washington cocktail party attendee.

2.) None of this information wouldn't already have been known to the governments in question.

So, I guess *interesting* is a relative term. ;)

As for Obama's attempt to imprison Snowden....

I'm more concerned about his 'administration's' wholesale war against the American people than I am about this particular Punch and Judy show.

It looks to me like the battle between the banksters and the intelligence organizations is going increasingly public.

Snowden has signficantly increased the exposure of the NSA as a "bad guy" in the public eye.

We have had much bad publicity for the banksters in the last few years. Consider for example the Occupy Wall Street movement.

The intelligence agencies have stayed largely out of public view, just as they prefer it.

Thanks to Snowden, more ordinary people might recognize NSA as some spy agency, not just the abbreviation for "No Strings Attached" in personal ads.

Score one point for the banksters.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is an intriguing possibility, but what specifically tips you off that there is a war brewing between these two factions?

I'm certainly not dismissing anything, but, devil's advocate: wouldn't the intelligence community be more or less dependent upon the banking elite, and therefore wouldn't they essentially serve them?
Imagine if you could spy on all the conversations, messages and financial transactions in the world,
had absolutely enormous computing power and
could control the political centers of power by controlling the information they saw.I'll wager you could then make an absolute killing in the stock and financial markets, which would be useful for funding other projects, and further extending one's control.

After a point, even if it ever was the case, you would no longer be dependent on the financial hands that fed you, but rather they would become pawns in your game.

The name of the game is control, and the well spring of control is knowledge.

(Thanks to Joseph P. Farrell for this line of thinking.)

[Curt]

Paul, can you put up a link or two to Farrell's material? Specifically anything where he gets into this topic.

Would be great to take a look/listen.



This is an intriguing possibility, but what specifically tips you off that there is a war brewing between these two factions?

I'm certainly not dismissing anything, but, devil's advocate: wouldn't the intelligence community be more or less dependent upon the banking elite, and therefore wouldn't they essentially serve them?
Imagine if you could spy on all the conversations, messages and financial transactions in the world,
had absolutely enormous computing power and
could control the political centers of power by controlling the information they saw.I'll wager you could then make an absolute killing in the stock and financial markets, which would be useful for funding other projects, and further extending one's control.

After a point, even if it ever was the case, you would no longer be dependent on the financial hands that fed you, but rather they would become pawns in your game.

The name of the game is control, and the well spring of control is knowledge.

(Thanks to Joseph P. Farrell for this line of thinking.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, can you put up a link or two to Farrell's material? Specifically anything where he gets into this topic.

Would be great to take a look/listen.
See this weekly chat of his NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM JULY 11, 2013 (http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/07/news-and-views-from-the-nefarium-july-11-2013/), as can be found on his website GizaDeathStar.com (http://gizadeathstar.com/).

[novus]

What actual information was released by Snowden's "leaks" ?

Was it anything new, anything that wasn't previously known?

Why does Snowden seem exactly like "wikileaks", both told us things we already knew & never "named names" and (even the snowden leaks) did not tell us any information that can be acted on or is acted on (no follow up criminal law suits etc..).

Why is Snowden getting so much coverage with so little information, we KNOW the MSM is basically government propaganda & so anything they heavily cover has been cleared and approved.
:spy:
With all we know on this how can we NOT understand that snowden is simply a distraction & possibly acts as a "release" valve for building anti-government tensions; I'm sure this situation is being used for multiple purposes.

This video brings up some excellent questions on the Snowden situation (starting at 12:50, though the entire interview gives more relevant back-story information).

nPN6AI2tzt0

Are we this easily manipulated?

Can anything with this level of coverage be trusted?

Great thread!

I wonder why Israel is never mentioned by any of these, "whistle blowers"? It's always some other country doing something to other country. Israel always comes out smelling like a rose.

[happytobe]

THE CONUNDRUM OF SNOWDEN
by Kerry Cassidy, July 12, 2013

This article from Jon Rappoport, is well worth reading... And he raises some important questions and makes some good points. Take this however alongside the recent article from Veterans Today calling both Assange & Snoden "Fakes" (by a CIA run publication) and we have a ... conundrum.

"...And that night, in your hotel room, you get down on your knees and pray that Ed Snowden is still working for the CIA.

Who else, besides the CIA and numerous politicians inside the Beltway, would be aching to take the NSA down a notch? Who else would be rooting hard for this former (?) CIA employee, Snowden, to succeed?" --J. Rappoport
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/matrix-who-is-edward-snowden

So why is the CIA so ready to call both Snowden and Assange "Fakes". I have been told repeatedly by a back channel source that Assange is working for Israeli intelligence... But why is he sitting in house arrest day in and day out? Is it really worth it to him, if that were the case?

Somehow, I think that the idea of whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden are simply the biggest threat because they represent men with conscience going up against the system. What if this is really the case? There is such a thing as being too well versed and jaded by being in this game that you no longer believe anyone can be just that, a real human being faced with insurmountable greed and violations to everything that you believe in such that you are willing to take it all on, like david vs. Goliath.

Somehow, Snowden doesn't strike me as a CIA operative. Now maybe he is. But I think we need to take a look at this from the standpoint of the idea that there are still among us, valiant men (and women) who are willing to brave the odds.. and take on Goliath. Flawed, perhaps. But courageous nonetheless.

Now did Snowden have help. Absolutely. I think we need to allow for the idealism that may fuel someone like Snowden. And that idealism could be used by someone with an agenda. Such as a CIA connection behind the scenes. Making it possible for him to escape with documentation...

I think when one views the ins and outs of this game, what often gets lost in the process, is insight into the character of the protangonists such as Assange or Snowden. What does a principled man or woman do when faced with insurmountable odds... and surveillance and yet when given a choice.. to do the right thing. Is it so very imposible to think that they might just choose that option. To be a man of valor, of honor in spite of their surroundings?

Because even an asset embedded in Boaz Allen, knowing the milieu in which he finds himself... could also see the opportunity.. to do the right thing... To think, to plan to weigh options to look for opportunities. To make contacts that would one day be useful... In order to do the heroic thing. Because they have that as a choice. And for some, it looks like a real choice. Like it could make a difference. In spite of the jaded landscape in which they are cast.

This is my point. Even when a person starts out on the dark side... Working for the NSA, CIA or Boaz-Allen or some other dark cabal. The opportunity always exists. To turn it all around, by some sudden well thought out act of valor... To change it all, ones destiny in one brief instant. And choose the hero's journey.

I vote for this. Maybe in these two cases I am wrong. Maybe they are just as jaded and bought out as the next guy.

But what if? What if they are really truly whistleblowers... and there's not one but two? And then three... and then four... What if?

Because in my view, this is the most frightening scenario of all to countries and those in charge of these organizations that believe themselves to be omniponent. The idea that one man or woman could bring down the whole house of cards, in one brief instant, by an act of valor... and capture the imagination of the world... This must be the one thing they can't bear to think about and yet must think about all the time. And then the idea that becoming a WHISTLEBLOWER might catch on, like some new disease in the zeitgist of the public... That being a WHISTLEBLOWER might become "cool"... a fad worth following... Well by God, they could take down a system, perhaps even an entire new world order... that is, should such a 'great notion' catch on.
http://projectcamelotportal.com/home/kerrys-blog/blog-posts/1764-the-conundrum-of-snowden


Comments:

Nothing "New"?

What if Snowden had said that "other-world entities" are manipulating the NSA? Would that be "New" and somehow qualify him as "being what he appears to be"?

Some folks might say: There's always been earthly manipulation by "other-world entitles", they walk the halls at the Pentagon, NSA and CIA -- in fact we're inundated with the rascals... try again.

And how does Snowden stand up against Ecclesiastes 1:9 --

"There is nothing new under the sun."

Veterans Today is not of one mind on this issue!

It is Gordon Duff of Veterans Today who's been the most cynical about Snowden, calling him an "...absolute and total phony" on Rense Radio.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60028-According-to-VT-s-Gordon-Duff-NSA-Whistleblower-Wikileaks-Assange-NWO-Tea-Party-are-all-PHONIES-..-

However, Preston James of the very same Veterans Today says Snowden is a "stand up guy" and "American Hero".
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/21/snow-job-over-at-the-nsa/

[turiya]

What actual information was released by Snowden's "leaks" ?

Was it anything new, anything that wasn't previously known?

Why does Snowden seem exactly like "wikileaks", both told us things we already knew & never "named names" and (even the snowden leaks) did not tell us any information that can be acted on or is acted on (no follow up criminal law suits etc..).

Why is Snowden getting so much coverage with so little information, we KNOW the MSM is basically government propaganda & so anything they heavily cover has been cleared and approved.
:spy:
With all we know on this how can we NOT understand that snowden is simply a distraction & possibly acts as a "release" valve for building anti-government tensions; I'm sure this situation is being used for multiple purposes.


I wonder why Israel is never mentioned by any of these, "whistle blowers"? It's always some other country doing something to other country. Israel always comes out smelling like a rose.


THE CONUNDRUM OF SNOWDEN
by Kerry Cassidy, July 12, 2013

This article from Jon Rappoport, is well worth reading... And he raises some important questions and makes some good points. Take this however alongside the recent article from Veterans Today calling both Assange & Snoden "Fakes" (by a CIA run publication) and we have a ... conundrum.


This response is a cross post from another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59919-Edward-Snowden-the-whistleblower-behind-the-NSA-surveillance-revelations&p=699673&viewfull=1#post699673)...


Snowden strikes again: 'NSA in bed with Germany'


turiya wrote:

Not to forget to mention Israel...

From:
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/01/cryptome.gif (http://cryptome.org/)
By way of:
http://www.ak3d.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ak3d_client_der_spiegel.png
7 July 2013


Interviewer: What is the mission of America's National Security Agency (NSA) -- and how is the job it does compatible with the rule of law?

Snowden: They're tasked to know everything of importance that happens outside of the United States. That's a significant challenge. When it is made to appear as though not knowing everything about everyone is an existential crisis, then you feel that bending the rules is okay. Once people hate you for bending those rules, breaking them becomes a matter of survival.

Interviewer: Are German authorities or German politicians involved in the NSA surveillance system?

Snowden: Yes, of course. We're 1 in bed together with the Germans the same as with most other Western countries. For example, we 2 tip them off when someone we want is flying through their airports (that we for example, have learned from the cell phone of a suspected hacker's girlfriend in a totally unrelated third country -- and they hand them over to us. They 3 don't ask to justify how we know something, and vice versa, to insulate their political leaders from the backlash of knowing how grievously they're violating global privacy.

Interviewer: But if details about this system are now exposed, who will be charged?

Snowden: In front of US courts? I'm not sure if you're serious. An investigation found the specific people who authorized the warrantless wiretapping of millions and millions of communications, which per count would have resulted in the longest sentences in world history, and our highest official simply demanded the investigation be halted. Who "can" be brought up on charges is immaterial when the rule of law is not respected. Laws are meant for you, not for them.

Interviewer: Does the NSA partner with other nations, like Israel?

Snowden: Yes. All the time. The NSA has a massive body responsible for this: FAD, the Foreign Affairs Directorate.

Interviewer: Did the NSA help to create Stuxnet? (Stuxnet is the computer worm that was deployed against the Iranian nuclear program.)

Snowden: NSA and Israel co-wrote it.

SOURCE (http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm)
WEBSITE (http://cryptome.org/)
Article in German (http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf)
New York Times (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-whistleblower-edward-snowden-on-global-spying-a-910006.html) (July 8 2013 version)

And, this youtuber is also seeing through the smoke... and takes down VT in the process...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reegOV7CyD0


turiya :cool: