So Why Have Extraterrestrials Been Abducting Human Beings?

[ResistETIntervention]

There are mainly three reasons that extraterrestrials abduct human beings. The three cases are not necessarily disjoint:


To manipulate their perceptions and reeducate their minds, i.e., to brainwash or mind-control them, in order to generate human beings that welcome and support their extraterrestrial abductors. These abductees are returned mind-controlled and will go on to influence other human beings to welcome, support, and even apologize for the extraterrestrial beings. Do you see this occurring all over the world and even in this forum?


The inducement will be focused upon two distinct groups of individuals. Actually, these are not groups of individuals, but really classifications, of individuals. The first are those who are considered psychic and sensitive. The inducement here is to validate their sensitivity and to induce them into the collective mind of the Intervention itself. Here these individuals will be encouraged to support the Intervention, and their own beliefs regarding the frailties and the sinfulness of humanity will be encouraged. And their hope that some greater power from beyond the world will come to rescue humanity from its own demise will be greatly encouraged. Here it will be taught to them that they are part of a greater association of life that is demonstrated by the Intervention itself. Here their religious views and aspirations will be encouraged but directed towards the Collectives.

These individuals will be told to trust in the extraterrestrial presence that is in the world, that it is here to uplift humanity, to transform humanity, and to rescue humanity from its own errors. They will be encouraged to become its representatives, to become its speakers, to inspire others to give their faith and their trust to the extraterrestrial presence and to become part of this movement in consciousness, this great evolutionary change that is occurring in their midst. Yet these individuals, without knowing the real nature or intentions of the Intervention, will unwittingly become its speakers and its representatives. Having become part of the visitors’ Pacification Program, these people will now pacify others and bring them to the Intervention.

So while the visitors seek liaison with individuals in positions of power in government and religion, they also seek to establish emissaries throughout the human population. For those sensitive individuals who cannot become receptive to and cooperative with the Intervention, their skills and abilities will be thwarted and offset. If such individuals begin to gain an insight into the real nature of the Intervention, they can become the target of real mental disruption.

From “The Allies of Humanity – Book 2”


To use them as their resources. Biological resources are rare and in demand in the Greater Community of Worlds. Human beings are biological resources the ET Intervention seeks. Some abductees have observed human blood and organs bottled while they were onboard extraterrestrial spaceships. There are many accounts including those on mutilation, of course, which indicate that human beings are being used as resources for extraterrestrials.

What you may not understand is that each year thousands of people are taken and not returned to the world. These people are not simply conditioned. They are kept. Some of them perish in captivity. Some of them do not survive the process of their capturing. Some become sick and die. Those that cannot survive and are still seen as useful to the Intervention are used as a biological resource. That means that their blood, their body parts, everything is used according to its value in the Greater Community. In the Greater Community, biological resources such as blood, plasma, DNA, bone marrow, skin and body organs can be used for their chemical substances. From these, medicines are made. From these, new life forms are bred. These substances are valuable commodities in certain parts of the Greater Community.

If those who are captured and not returned survive, they will be used for other purposes. Should the Intervention gain complete control of your world, many people who are considered to be undesirable, or who do not fit into the social patterns established through the Intervention, will be used as biological resources in this way.

Perhaps this is shocking, but you can understand this, for this is how you treat your animals as biological resources—to be used for food, for clothing, for medicines, for fuel. In the Greater Community, biological resources are very valuable because they can be used and altered for a variety of purposes as we have mentioned— for medicinal purposes, for life support purposes and for the breeding and generation of new species.

From “The Allies of Humanity – Book 2”



To use them in their Human-Alien Hybridization Program which the ET Intervention has been implementing for quite some time now. The goal of the genetic modification program is to manufacture human-alien hybrids that will look like human beings but whose minds are in alignment with their extraterrestrial superiors. Thus, the hybrids will be able to adapt to living on Earth, but will be absolutely allegiant to the ET Intervention. People will not be able to distinguish them from other human beings, and yet hybrids will be missing certain qualities that human beings possess and value. Hybrids will not be the ones to rule the world, but will be strategically positioned to advise human rulers. They may not even be public figures, but work completely behind the scene.


The interbreeding program is being undertaken by a different set of beings and by different alliances. Through interbreeding, they are seeking to establish a human being who will be part of their association yet who can survive within your world and who can have a natural affinity with the world. Your visitors cannot live on the surface of your world. They must either seek shelter underground, which they are doing, or they must live aboard their own craft, which they often keep hidden in large bodies of water. They want to interbreed with humanity to protect their interests here, which are primarily the resources of your world. They want to have human allegiance assured, and so for several generations they have been involved in an interbreeding program, which within the last twenty years has become quite extensive.

Their purpose is twofold. First, as we have mentioned, the visitors want to create a human-like being who can live within your world but who will be bonded to them and who will have a greater set of sensitivities and abilities. The second purpose of this program is to influence all those that they encounter and to encourage people to assist them in their undertaking. The visitors want and need human assistance. This furthers their program in all respects. They consider you valuable. However, they do not consider you to be their peers or their equals. Useful, that is how you are perceived. So, in all whom they will encounter, in all whom they will take, the visitors will seek to engender this sense of their superiority, their value and the worth and the significance of their endeavors in the world. The visitors will tell all whom they contact that they are here for the good, and they will assure those that they have captured that they need not fear. And with those who seem particularly receptive, they will attempt to establish alliances—a shared sense of purpose, even a shared sense of identity and family, of heritage and destiny.

From “The Allies of Humanity – Book 1 (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/allies-of-humanity-book1.pdf)”

[onawah]

Simon Parkes is a good resource for information of this kind that is about as directly accessed as we can expect to get.

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[Bill Ryan]

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Here are a few thoughts intended only to move things on a little in terms of possible gains in recognition or understanding.

It seems that there can be various reasons for one finding oneself caught up in something like this:



It's possible that one has given one's consent (at a higher self level or at a previous lives level) -- but does not recall it.



One might be being supported, even though it may not in any way feel like it. (Like a cat or a dog being taken to the vet for reasons it cannot possibly understand. The experience is traumatic, but is actually benevolent.)



One's mind or body might be regarded as a resource that's valuable to or wanted by others in some way. E.g. exceptional psychic abilities, family bloodline, or special DNA in some other sense. In extreme cases, that resource can be used as a 'hard' asset by humans who are the abductors or abusers -- like as a mind-controlled assassin, an intel courier, or (in some extreme cases) a sex slave. Those used in any of these ways might sometimes be 100% unaware of what is or has been going on. It's noteworthy that those involved in these kinds of issues seem to be regarded by their abusers and/or abductors as 'property'.



Concerning ET abductions of women, there is plenty of evidence that some have been used for the breeding of hybrids.



One might simply be being tracked, just as animals in the wild are captured, 'abducted', tagged, and then released without harm. The purpose here might simply be genuine (but dispassionate) research about the human race.



Some abductions are benevolent inasmuch as the abductee is 'shown' possible visions of the future by ETs, but then is made to forget it. The intention seems often to be to 'wake up' the abducted person and motivate them to take proactive action, maybe without even knowing why. The abductees in these cases are often 'drawn' emotionally to others who have had the same experience (maybe even in the same craft, at the same time).



One might be a completely random experimental subject, with the intention being simply to test, improve, and develop the high technology being deployed (by humans in black ops). See Dr John Hall's research for more on this. The randomness of the choice of target makes it particularly hard to detect join-the-dots patterns.

[ThePythonicCow]

Simon Parkes is a good resource for information of this kind that is about as directly accessed as we can expect to get.
Great interview! Skip to 22:43 for the beginning of the interview with Simon.

At 48:28 into the interview, Simon mentions that he is on our Avalon forum, thanks to Bill Ryan.

[Helvetic]

Greys collecting prime time DNA. From now on human DNA decreases drastically, our bodys breaking down, our evolution is stopping.

[Peace&Love]

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Here are a few thoughts intended only to move things on a little in terms of possible gains in recognition or understanding.

It seems that there can be various reasons for one finding oneself caught up in something like this:



It's possible that one has given one's consent (at a higher self level or at a previous lives level) -- but does not recall it.



One might be being supported, even though it may not in any way feel like it. (Like a cat or a dog being taken to the vet for reasons it cannot possibly understand. The experience is traumatic, but is actually benevolent.)



One's mind or body might be regarded as a resource that's valuable to or wanted by others in some way. E.g. exceptional psychic abilities, family bloodline, or special DNA in some other sense. In extreme cases, that resource can be used as a 'hard' asset by humans who are the abductors or abusers -- like as a mind-controlled assassin, an intel courier, or (in some extreme cases) a sex slave. Those used in any of these ways might sometimes be 100% unaware of what is or has been going on. It's noteworthy that those involved in these kinds of issues seem to be regarded by their abusers and/or abductors as 'property'.



Concerning ET abductions of women, there is plenty of evidence that some have been used for the breeding of hybrids.



One might simply be being tracked, just as animals in the wild are captured, 'abducted', tagged, and then released without harm. The purpose here might simply be genuine (but dispassionate) research about the human race.



Some abductions are benevolent inasmuch as the abductee is 'shown' possible visions of the future by ETs, but then is made to forget it. The intention seems often to be to 'wake up' the abducted person and motivate them to take proactive action, maybe without even knowing why. The abductees in these cases are often 'drawn' emotionally to others who have had the same experience (maybe even in the same craft, at the same time).



One might be a completely random experimental subject, with the intention being simply to test, improve, and develop the high technology being deployed (by humans in black ops). See Dr John Hall's research for more on this. The randomness of the choice of target makes it particularly hard to detect join-the-dots patterns.


Thank you Bill for the points given! I have seen the videos containing your personal evidence, and indeed there was no signs of any harmful intentions, but rather a message for you that with all the hardship of separation from the unique relationship to be strong again and to take what you experienced as a positive learning tool for eventually creating the ground for us being here and now.
As i still hold a very narrow spectrum of this subject, i wish not to comment in a decisive manner, but rather suggest some points for thought.

Disclosure of aliens- I don't think we are ready for disclosure as defined by current activists, as we can see how polarized is the subject of 'alien presence'.
Reasons:

a) Knowing those species that have been secretly interacting with our governments and / or taking people against their conscious will, would not create a controllable environment for humanity, even if we are to be left alone and no more alien presence would follow. The fact that we will be confronted with the truth that we are not on top of the life pyramid (or, chain of life on earth) might cause tremendous turbulence, people not trusting authority, religion being doubted, a complete chaos.

b) Disclosing the facts we know about the above mentioned aliens will only do injustice to the overall terminology associated with the word 'alien' people will not be able to discern and rather use their instinctual evolutionary traits as 'they' and 'us', creating new type of galactic racism.

c) Lack of sufficient evidence regarding the existence and work of the not 'Self Serving' species would be detrimental for any type of disclosure.

So these are the reasons i think this matter should be for now still away from the public, and disclosed only until a more balanced picture could be given.

Thank you.

[ghostrider]

it is said , most of the abductions are military black ops, the others are nearby advanced civilizations doing their research, just as we do with lions and tigers, ehummmm we must put it to sleep , it's dangerous and might kill us , but it's beautiful and interesting so we must investigate ...load the tranquilizer dart, we'll tag it and check on it from time to time ...

[Aviator]

I like the book "Sands of Time" from Sean David Morton. Using a very special perspective, it puts all in one place, the whole subject of 40 years of shadow government including alien abductions and the motivation behind it.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Karla Turner and a small part of the Ted Rice story

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[Sebastion]

Ted Rice's story closely parallels what Lou Baldin has said in his accounts with the ET's. His books are fascinating reads and methinks there is much truth in what he has to say.

http://www.amazon.com/A-Day-Extraterrestrial-Lou-Baldin/dp/1435719611

http://www.amazon.com/In-League-UFO-Lou-Baldin/dp/0578013304/ref=pd_sim_b_1

[Youniverse]

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Here are a few thoughts intended only to move things on a little in terms of possible gains in recognition or understanding.

It seems that there can be various reasons for one finding oneself caught up in something like this:



It's possible that one has given one's consent (at a higher self level or at a previous lives level) -- but does not recall it.



One might be being supported, even though it may not in any way feel like it. (Like a cat or a dog being taken to the vet for reasons it cannot possibly understand. The experience is traumatic, but is actually benevolent.)



One's mind or body might be regarded as a resource that's valuable to or wanted by others in some way. E.g. exceptional psychic abilities, family bloodline, or special DNA in some other sense. In extreme cases, that resource can be used as a 'hard' asset by humans who are the abductors or abusers -- like as a mind-controlled assassin, an intel courier, or (in some extreme cases) a sex slave. Those used in any of these ways might sometimes be 100% unaware of what is or has been going on. It's noteworthy that those involved in these kinds of issues seem to be regarded by their abusers and/or abductors as 'property'.



Concerning ET abductions of women, there is plenty of evidence that some have been used for the breeding of hybrids.



One might simply be being tracked, just as animals in the wild are captured, 'abducted', tagged, and then released without harm. The purpose here might simply be genuine (but dispassionate) research about the human race.



Some abductions are benevolent inasmuch as the abductee is 'shown' possible visions of the future by ETs, but then is made to forget it. The intention seems often to be to 'wake up' the abducted person and motivate them to take proactive action, maybe without even knowing why. The abductees in these cases are often 'drawn' emotionally to others who have had the same experience (maybe even in the same craft, at the same time).



One might be a completely random experimental subject, with the intention being simply to test, improve, and develop the high technology being deployed (by humans in black ops). See Dr John Hall's research for more on this. The randomness of the choice of target makes it particularly hard to detect join-the-dots patterns.


Yes I think that's a great list of possibilities you put together there Bill. Humans have no quams about herding up cattle and vaccinating them, tagging them, even castrating them, all through a series of very distressing and at times quite painful series of procedures. Perhaps when human beings have collectively evolved to a state where we no longer find it acceptable to do this to 'lower' life forms, certain ET species will stop doing it to us. It also shows how you can be a so-called 'highly advanced' race and still be in the spiritual dark ages.

[blufire]

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Here are a few thoughts intended only to move things on a little in terms of possible gains in recognition or understanding.

It seems that there can be various reasons for one finding oneself caught up in something like this:



It's possible that one has given one's consent (at a higher self level or at a previous lives level) -- but does not recall it.



One might be being supported, even though it may not in any way feel like it. (Like a cat or a dog being taken to the vet for reasons it cannot possibly understand. The experience is traumatic, but is actually benevolent.)



One's mind or body might be regarded as a resource that's valuable to or wanted by others in some way. E.g. exceptional psychic abilities, family bloodline, or special DNA in some other sense. In extreme cases, that resource can be used as a 'hard' asset by humans who are the abductors or abusers -- like as a mind-controlled assassin, an intel courier, or (in some extreme cases) a sex slave. Those used in any of these ways might sometimes be 100% unaware of what is or has been going on. It's noteworthy that those involved in these kinds of issues seem to be regarded by their abusers and/or abductors as 'property'.



Concerning ET abductions of women, there is plenty of evidence that some have been used for the breeding of hybrids.



One might simply be being tracked, just as animals in the wild are captured, 'abducted', tagged, and then released without harm. The purpose here might simply be genuine (but dispassionate) research about the human race.



Some abductions are benevolent inasmuch as the abductee is 'shown' possible visions of the future by ETs, but then is made to forget it. The intention seems often to be to 'wake up' the abducted person and motivate them to take proactive action, maybe without even knowing why. The abductees in these cases are often 'drawn' emotionally to others who have had the same experience (maybe even in the same craft, at the same time).



One might be a completely random experimental subject, with the intention being simply to test, improve, and develop the high technology being deployed (by humans in black ops). See Dr John Hall's research for more on this. The randomness of the choice of target makes it particularly hard to detect join-the-dots patterns.




Some abductions are benevolent inasmuch as the abductee is 'shown' possible visions of the future by ETs, but then is made to forget it. The intention seems often to be to 'wake up' the abducted person and motivate them to take proactive action, maybe without even knowing why. The abductees in these cases are often 'drawn' emotionally to others who have had the same experience (maybe even in the same craft, at the same time).

At this point in my life experience, I believe with every fiber of my being that I am one of these people.

More of my response on this thread . . . . . Deep in Foxfire Hollow (meanderings of a slightly crazy mountain woman) -- Post #53 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32007-Deep-in-Foxfire-Hollow--meanderings-of-a-slightly-crazy-mountain-woman-&p=701624&viewfull=1#post701624)

[chocolate]

Thank you! onawah , Bill Ryan, Aviator and all of the contributors on this thread.
It all starts to form into one complete picture in my mind. I was never all that excited about aliens, but I see it is all interconnected. And I got more book ideas to explore, which is always an exquisite pleasure!

[onawah]

You might want to check the Bashar messages as well.
There is a Bashar thread with some good links in the channeled forum.

[johnf]

I find the concept of abduction to be part of the programming
that is being thrown into the mix here.
I have never experienced anything that I would call abduction, but I have had
various encounters with levels of reality , and entities (for me, other beings defy definition, if I am really looking).
I used to be quite convinced that I was sent here from elsewhere to help fix things here.
At this point I can only consider myself as a probe of awareness into various realities, and in this case it comes along with
the experience of a particular human organism.
Reading books, articles, and forum posts are all actions that can program, and clear programming.
The main difference is only the quality of awareness I bring to those activities.
Perceiving changes the system being perceived.
The more we forget that, the more we are being programmed, and the more we will miss
the opportunities in front of us.

jf

[Nanoo Nanoo]

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Here are a few thoughts intended only to move things on a little in terms of possible gains in recognition or understanding.

It seems that there can be various reasons for one finding oneself caught up in something like this:



It's possible that one has given one's consent (at a higher self level or at a previous lives level) -- but does not recall it.



One might be being supported, even though it may not in any way feel like it. (Like a cat or a dog being taken to the vet for reasons it cannot possibly understand. The experience is traumatic, but is actually benevolent.)



One's mind or body might be regarded as a resource that's valuable to or wanted by others in some way. E.g. exceptional psychic abilities, family bloodline, or special DNA in some other sense. In extreme cases, that resource can be used as a 'hard' asset by humans who are the abductors or abusers -- like as a mind-controlled assassin, an intel courier, or (in some extreme cases) a sex slave. Those used in any of these ways might sometimes be 100% unaware of what is or has been going on. It's noteworthy that those involved in these kinds of issues seem to be regarded by their abusers and/or abductors as 'property'.



Concerning ET abductions of women, there is plenty of evidence that some have been used for the breeding of hybrids.



One might simply be being tracked, just as animals in the wild are captured, 'abducted', tagged, and then released without harm. The purpose here might simply be genuine (but dispassionate) research about the human race.



Some abductions are benevolent inasmuch as the abductee is 'shown' possible visions of the future by ETs, but then is made to forget it. The intention seems often to be to 'wake up' the abducted person and motivate them to take proactive action, maybe without even knowing why. The abductees in these cases are often 'drawn' emotionally to others who have had the same experience (maybe even in the same craft, at the same time).



One might be a completely random experimental subject, with the intention being simply to test, improve, and develop the high technology being deployed (by humans in black ops). See Dr John Hall's research for more on this. The randomness of the choice of target makes it particularly hard to detect join-the-dots patterns.


Yes I think that's a great list of possibilities you put together there Bill. Humans have no quams about herding up cattle and vaccinating them, tagging them, even castrating them, all through a series of very distressing and at times quite painful series of procedures. Perhaps when human beings have collectively evolved to a state where we no longer find it acceptable to do this to 'lower' life forms, certain ET species will stop doing it to us. It also shows how you can be a so-called 'highly advanced' race and still be in the spiritual dark ages.

We are leading by example arent we :0 )

I guess if i were an alien species on the out side looking in .. id be talking to my co pilot and say possibly the following to it.

Hey Bert , i want to go to the new planet Sol 3 .. apparently its teaming with life and its green for inspection

Green did you say Ronnie ?

Yeah, Green Bert !

Ok .. lets make a left at Uranus , stop off for some Keretang Spice and head on over !

Awesome !

( burt presses a button and whoosh they enter earth atmos )

SO Ronnie whats given you the impression its Green for inspoection ?

Well im glad you asked Bert ... Apparently their own government do all sort of experiments on their own people all the time and get this .. They make them work in a slave operation called a " Capitolist Society " the work for food and shelter and they earn these segments of paper cut out with numbers written on them and use them for trade and bater.

Pieces of paper did you say ?

Yeah ! and they have to keep making these pieces of paper to survive ...

What ? they have to bata to stay alive ?

Yeah ! and it gets a whole lot weirder too ! they must give a portion of their segments of paper to their ruling elite and the ruling elite use the pieces pf paper to buy weapons and kill their own people !!

WHAT !? Noooooo !!!

Yeah its well documented ! And they start these things called religions to scare peole into believing that an all powerful God will hurt them if they do not give their church pieces of paper and metal ingots.

WHA !? Ronnie you MUST be joking !? they cant be that stupid .. can they ?

Well apprarently yes.. but when we get there be careful .. they don't like outsiders ..

Ah is that why they are under quarantine ?

Yeah ...

Ok well i want to document some new life samples for school anyway so lets get some humans and see how they tic .. i mean if their own governments kill them for fun then it should be ok to observe them i guess ?

Yeah makes sence to me !

So in the last 10000 earth years they havent revolted ?

No .. not really .. sometimes they do but then they get given more pieces of paper and metal ingots and they stop.. silly really they just hand them back to the groups that kill them ..

Saddistic mod these humans hey ?

Yeah reeeeal weird .. oh and guess what .. they have these groups of people who are paid for by their govenment to spread fear propoganda about us ! these people apparently walk around with what is called an " eye Phone " and apparently it has them in a trance and it dictates to them what to do next .. like breathe , eat , go to the toilet etc ...

Fear about Us ? wha ! Propoganda ?! what on guzzbert for ?

Um do dont know ..it makes no sence .. but apparently fear debilitates them from beeing free of slavery so its kind of makes them dependant .. like a baby guknark

They havent even met us yet ! i mean yeah im green and 4 foot tall but thats no reason to dislike us .. mind you if they pay their own governments to kill them then id say they are quite strange ... A baby guknark ?! i love baby guknarks , such cute widdle wascals ..

Oh look i dont get it either but just in case use a stun gun because i hear they are very violent .. they tend to shoot first and ask questions later ...

Ah ok ... ever hear of any of us making friend with them ?

Oh jah ! plenty on earth are actually nice and dont mind a bit of tech exchange for samples of skin and dna. I heard of several factions making contact but a lot of them have been taken by fear propoganda and do not make the friendship exchange.

Oh ok so proceed with caution

Yes ! oh and make sure you scan them for viruses .. apparently theirown governments engineer viruses to make them sick !

WHAAAAAAT ! you must be joking ? what in the blazes for ?

yeah , i heard they do , its so they have to give them more piecs of paper ! They ingect them with sicknesses and put it in their drinking water ! and about 60% of them drink un filtered water still! and guess what elce, ALIEN ! ... i almost forgot to tell you ! You know how water falls in the form of precipitation ? well guess what , some companies bottle it and sell it for more than double the price of fuel stock !

Oh man .. they sound quite un remarkable .. its free , falls from the sky , yet they pay for it .. hmmm mm

yeah especially those who spread fear campaigns against us .. i mean we are just scientists wanting to learn.. theres not much elce to do is there ?

We could go to Uranus Night Club for a SHuzzbut !

Nah did that last millenia and cant afford the hang over ...

aaah


N

[WhiteFeather]

Could some of us Terrans living on Planet Earth have some previous connection or family lineage to these star beings as a reason for abduction. I remember in an interview Alex Collier had said he was directly related to The Andromedans. And if being so, would they come to check up on their long lost family members perhaps like they have done with Alex. Just a thought.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Could some of us Terrans living on Planet Earth have some previous connection or family lineage to these star beings as a reason for abduction. I remember in an interview Alex Collier had said he was directly related to The Andromedans. And if being so, would they come to check up on their long lost family members perhaps like they have done with Alex. Just a thought.

No Whitefeather thats impossible because the earth is 4000 years old and it was created by god. Aliens didnt exist back then because they are new and evil.


Our family is in Kansas didnt you know : 0 )

N

( lol )

[chocolate]

Nanio, well put together. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Whitefeather, my earthly sense of truth is always alarmed when someone says he remembers he is ... related to all sort of out-of-this-world beings. Not that I think it's impossible, but the remembering part rings all sort of alarms in my heart-mind connection. But could be true.

I think all of us, on a higher level, come from all sort of space places in our spirit form, we do not originate from this planet. And I also think the benevolent abductions have to be those that leave no trace and memory at the state of everyday alertness. Only those that try to use us for their own advantage leave marks and bad memories. I do think the alien races that have created us don't need to scare us and are also so advanced that they always remain unnoticed. They could be influencing our everyday thoughts and our dreams, influencing "the matrix" that they have created in the first place and this is something we live with all the time, just we do not look at it from this perspective.

My view only- what we call God or Gods and those prayers and rituals we have, I think these are our ways of communicating with the higher realm of existence, with our parent selves and the structure of that universe that we cannot perceive right now. Probably that is why as much of a non-religious chap I might appear to be on the outside, I've always had a strong connection with that realm now when I think of it in this way. That connection was severed at one point in my life, but I later on I was given the chance to build it anew, and now is even stronger that before. Probably my experience was just so that I can never loose my faith in myself and my understanding again, like know darkness to see the light.

I don't really need much talk about aliens, and proofs of their existence in my life in general. I sort of have lived with that idea from the start. And I feel we have put all sort of names and definitions on things that blur for me their true nature. Aliens, gods, this and that. It is so much easier sometimes to leave things unnamed and to have less words and more observation... but that is just me, I am created in this way and it feels familiar to stay in that state.

But I most definitely am grateful for the information about what I think some of us do to us, and the sick experiments some of us need to survive. I don't recall bad experience in this area.

onawah , Bashar is a known face for me for some time, and I really enjoy him. As i once though to myself, he gives a condensed and more user-friendly version of a dharma talk than most of the real buddhist can achieve.

[Spiral]

Could some of us Terrans living on Planet Earth have some previous connection or family lineage to these star beings as a reason for abduction. I remember in an interview Alex Collier had said he was directly related to The Andromedans. And if being so, would they come to check up on their long lost family members perhaps like they have done with Alex. Just a thought.

This is certainly the case at this present time, the same individuals are also prone to MILABS for the information they have, esp the stuff in the subconscious.



There would seem to be a spectrum of reasons for abductions, and the underlying pattern is still one that hasn't gelled into a coherent picture.

The problem is we are looking from a human perspective, like in the Alien invasion films where they act like US Marines, because thats the best invasion model the script writers have !

Comparing Human Abduction to what we do with animals is not helpful, and is really quite insulting to abductees, as they do not have the higher cognitive functions and abilities, nor do they have the same abilities re energies either.

The real damage & scars are those in & pertaining to the mind, and as with all trauma its the loss of power & control that is the root of so much fear, the subconscious knows exactly what happened whilst the mind tries to rationalise it away, meanwhile the nervous system goes into overdrive & stays there.

If they wanted to just take Earth over they could have done it a long time ago before we had the types of weapons we have now.

If they wanted us to stop destroying the planet then why not abduct Bilderbergers instead of people with no power ?

Why do they leave just enough in the mind to cause PTSD etc but not enough to make sense of it all ?

Whats really going on with the implants ? Its more than tracking isn't it ?

Whats with electrocuting people ??? Anyone else had that ?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Greys collecting prime time DNA. From now on human DNA decreases drastically, our bodys breaking down, our evolution is stopping.

ET's operating on a level far beyond our own comprehension, visiting certain souls from higher realms who have incarnated here for the purpose of raising the planet's, and Humanity's, vibration. These 'extraterrestrial' beings are actually, gradually, enhancing our DNA, creating a platform for a new Human Being, one that will operate on a far superior level and at a higher vibration. So, rather than evolution stopping, it is increasing. It could be about to make a quantum leap.

Much of the above, negatively-charged material concerning various ET shenanigans and abductions is, I believe, largely Misinformation, sprinkled with some Disinformation.

[ResistETIntervention]

As I have mentioned in another thread, it would not be a fear agenda to warn coastal villagers that Tsunami was approaching so that they could prepare to evacuate. It would not be a fear agenda to warn neighbors that there were kidnappers lurking in the neighborhood, so that they could be more cautious, observant, and discerning. It certainly is not a fear agenda to warn humanity of the reality it is facing.

As far as abduction experiences are concerned, there are absolutely NO genuine experiences, as ETs are capable of manipulating our perceptions and feelings. I have yet to see any abductees who claim to have had abduction experiences that did not involve time loss.

[ResistETIntervention]

There are many false ideas surrounding the UFO/ET phenomenon, which unfortunately have been cast upon humanity by the very extraterrestrials of the ET Intervention that attempts to present themselves as mysterious or spiritual beings, higher-dimensional beings, or human beings’ ancestors.

What the ETs possess is advanced technology that enables them to travel greater distances across the space at faster speeds and to hide their vehicles in various places in our planet or solar system. Extraterrestrials’ travelling across the space does not require moving through different dimensions. They just travel very, very fast at many times the luminal speed. For those who still believe that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, I have witnessed a vehicle attaining a superluminal speed from a stationary position within a second or two. That is at least one counterexample to the theory, and actually, there are many, many counterexamples as witnessed by people globally.

Various different extraterrestrials have been visiting the planet (therefore, possessing advanced technology) throughout human history for different purposes. However, current “visitation” is of extraterrestrials that are comparable to groups of space travelling pirates. Any native races in any other worlds in the local universe that are well-versed in life in the universe would not allow any ET Intervention to set foot within the boundary of their solar systems. As I have mentioned in the thread Discerning Allies from Adversaries (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61075-Discerning-Allies-from-Adversaries), there are no allies currently present in our world or anywhere in our solar system.

The extraterrestrials are very much physical beings that require mechanical vehicles to travel and resources to survive and support their technology. From this perspective, they are not much different from human beings. As human history can attest to the fact that achieving technology to travel a greater distance did not indicate attainment of higher spirituality, neither is the case in the universe.

In fact, as far as spirituality is concerned, human beings are much more advanced than any of the ETs currently “visiting” our world are. Human beings have been able to retain their deeper spiritual intelligence and maintain religious traditions, though not without errors. Human beings have been and still are, to various degrees, enjoying freedom, and would not tolerate oppressive governments or religions.

Yet, with the advancement of technology, a world must become more vigilant about any possibility of misuse of such technology which could literally destroy a planet. So, either a world must control its natives completely, or it must collectively become mature and spiritually advanced in order to maintain its advanced technology without such strict, oppressive control of the citizens. Many technological societies in the local universe have chosen to take the more expedient former route, and as a result, became secular in nature. Citizens of such worlds do not enjoy the freedom as we know it, do not have the freedom to practice any religions, to choose their vocations, pursue their talents, to explore their creativities, or follow their higher callings. Freedom is viewed as chaotic and is not valued by such societies. The ETs of the ET Intervention view human beings as chaotic, reckless, and brutish. They do not value freedom in their societies or within our world.

There is absolutely nothing mysterious about these extraterrestrial beings.

All extraterrestrial beings are physical beings.

All ETs present in our solar system currently are merely space-traveling pirates.

These ETs are not spiritually advanced.

These ETs are employing deceptions and persuasions to gain human allegiance and human assistance with the end goal of conquering our world.

These ETs scheme to take our freedom and self-determination from us.

We must be absolutely clear on these.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

All extraterrestrial beings are physical beings.
With respect, they are not, in exactly the same way that we are not. We are Spiritual beings extruded into this dense and slow moving vibration that we call Earth, and this 3-dimensional frequency of the Universe (in fact, Multiverse). All of these beings are either physical in that they exist in a far lighter vibration, or, with some, they are so advanced and evolved that they are pure light beings.


All ETs present in our solar system currently are merely space-traveling pirates.
With respect, they are not. They are for the most part just monitoring us, like we would a less-advanced indigenous people. In fact, they are helping us, and the planet, in many ways.


These ETs are not spiritually advanced.
They are far more advanced than us, hugely so.


These ETs are employing deceptions and persuasions to gain human allegiance and human assistance with the end goal of conquering our world.
This is disinformation programming, designed to follow an agenda that would disempower us. TPTB, the controllers of this planet, have no desire to see us advance, to achieve enlightenment and discover what WE TRULY ARE, and can be, as God-like beings. It's these powers that be, human powers, that are employing these deceptions so that we will become blind and ignorant and subservient to them, and to have us grant them permission to oppress us, enslave us, and conquer our world. The ET's are rooting for us to free ourselves.


These ETs scheme to take our freedom and self-determination from us.
Even if there were 'negative ETs' wanting to do this, they wouldn't need to. We have done this to ourselves already, by letting our human controllers steal our freedom and self-determination.

This is not to say that there aren’t maybe one or two ET races that are quite ‘self-interested’ in their dealings with us. They are the ones responsible for forging treaties and alliances with these powers that be, perhaps with the offer of technology in exchange for resources. I don’t believe their ‘agenda’ goes much beyond that.

I'm very sorry you feel the way you do. Do not be so ready to succumb to negative programming, do not be so quick to fear 'what is out there', or too willing to blame all the evils of the world on this outside force, when it is very clear that one need look no further for the guilty party than one's own corrupt government power structure.

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As far as abduction experiences are concerned, there are absolutely NO genuine experiences, as ETs are capable of manipulating our perceptions and feelings. I have yet to see any abductees who claim to have had abduction experiences that did not involve time loss.

I have. I have witnessed extra-terrestrials, stood face to face with them in actual, nuts and bolts physical reality. It happened in real time; had a complete and natural duration, in that after the event no time was unaccounted for.

So there ya go.. :)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Could some of us Terrans living on Planet Earth have some previous connection or family lineage to these star beings as a reason for abduction. I remember in an interview Alex Collier had said he was directly related to The Andromedans. And if being so, would they come to check up on their long lost family members perhaps like they have done with Alex. Just a thought.

I suspect that we are all multidimensional beings, that some star beings are actually multidimensional versions of ourselves. Some are here in the cause of freedom, some to manipulate and control, and some to just watch. Plus everything in between.

But that is just my intuition, not a belief. In the words of Jim Marrs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAHyuXoX54) (0:52/6:42) "I don't believe anything is true until the government has denied it." ;)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Greys collecting prime time DNA. From now on human DNA decreases drastically, our bodys breaking down, our evolution is stopping.

ET's operating on a level far beyond our own comprehension, visiting certain souls from higher realms who have incarnated here for the purpose of raising the planet's, and Humanity's, vibration. These 'extraterrestrial' beings are actually, gradually, enhancing our DNA, creating a platform for a new Human Being, one that will operate on a far superior level and at a higher vibration. So, rather than evolution stopping, it is increasing. It could be about to make a quantum leap.

Much of the above, negatively-charged material concerning various ET shenanigans and abductions is, I believe, largely Misinformation, sprinkled with some Disinformation.

I agree with you completely Star Mariner !

here is some interesting material from an actual acaemic who has studied over 2000 cases world wide.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60849-Extra-Political-Discussion-Thread-Extra-Terrestrian-Politics

page 2 has her 2 part synopsis for true purposes of what we call abdustions however over 75% of these are purposeful. The rest are considered mostly non extra terrestrial interventions.

Please enjoy and dont be fearful of things we do not truly understand.

Get to know first and be informed. \\

Naniu

[Nanoo Nanoo]

As I have mentioned in another thread, it would not be a fear agenda to warn coastal villagers that Tsunami was approaching so that they could prepare to evacuate. It would not be a fear agenda to warn neighbors that there were kidnappers lurking in the neighborhood, so that they could be more cautious, observant, and discerning. It certainly is not a fear agenda to warn humanity of the reality it is facing.

As far as abduction experiences are concerned, there are absolutely NO genuine experiences, as ETs are capable of manipulating our perceptions and feelings. I have yet to see any abductees who claim to have had abduction experiences that did not involve time loss.

Lets have a party ! youve finally met one : 0 ) most of my experiences have been completely in tact and from start to finish while i am completely awake and can articulate every moment.

So now you have met 1

Naniu : 0 )

[Youniverse]

All extraterrestrial beings are physical beings.
With respect, they are not, in exactly the same way that we are not. We are Spiritual beings extruded into this dense and slow moving vibration that we call Earth, and this 3-dimensional frequency of the Universe (in fact, Multiverse). All of these beings are either physical in that they exist in a far lighter vibration, or, with some, they are so advanced and evolved that they are pure light beings.


All ETs present in our solar system currently are merely space-traveling pirates.
With respect, they are not. They are for the most part just monitoring us, like we would a less-advanced indigenous people. In fact, they are helping us, and the planet, in many ways.


These ETs are not spiritually advanced.
They are far more advanced than us, hugely so.


These ETs are employing deceptions and persuasions to gain human allegiance and human assistance with the end goal of conquering our world.
This is disinformation programming, designed to follow an agenda that would disempower us. TPTB, the controllers of this planet, have no desire to see us advance, to achieve enlightenment and discover what WE TRULY ARE, and can be, as God-like beings. It's these powers that be, human powers, that are employing these deceptions so that we will become blind and ignorant and subservient to them, and to have us grant them permission to oppress us, enslave us, and conquer our world. The ET's are rooting for us to free ourselves.


These ETs scheme to take our freedom and self-determination from us.
Even if there were 'negative ETs' wanting to do this, they wouldn't need to. We have done this to ourselves already, by letting our human controllers steal our freedom and self-determination.

This is not to say that there aren’t maybe one or two ET races that are quite ‘self-interested’ in their dealings with us. They are the ones responsible for forging treaties and alliances with these powers that be, perhaps with the offer of technology in exchange for resources. I don’t believe their ‘agenda’ goes much beyond that.

I'm very sorry you feel the way you do. Do not be so ready to succumb to negative programming, do not be so quick to fear 'what is out there', or too willing to blame all the evils of the world on this outside force, when it is very clear that one need look no further for the guilty party than one's own corrupt government power structure.

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As far as abduction experiences are concerned, there are absolutely NO genuine experiences, as ETs are capable of manipulating our perceptions and feelings. I have yet to see any abductees who claim to have had abduction experiences that did not involve time loss.

I have. I have witnessed extra-terrestrials, stood face to face with them in actual, nuts and bolts physical reality. It happened in real time; had a complete and natural duration, in that after the event no time was unaccounted for.

So there ya go.. :)

Yes you may be accurate in your responses to ResistETIntervention. Just as the false illusion of seperation created by the ego has been a plague upon the Earth, this same kind of thinking has been extended to include ETs. The many cultures of the Earth are ever-changing as they become aware and interact in various ways with other cultures. At the same time there is a collective consciousness underlying it all. Why not include the entire cosmos of cultures in the mix? Why must we draw a line in the sand and say we can only allow influence from cultures on the Earth?

Of course there are ETs that are malevolent and those that are benevolent. I'm no authority on ETs, but as far as I am aware, most of them are benevolent. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few here and there zipping around our planet that have ill intent. Spiritual mastery is spiritual mastery regardless if you are human being or a sentient being from another galaxy. Of course, there are also higher and higher levels of spiritual mastery. I believe many of the ETs that have either contacted or visited this planet are highly advanced in every way, including spiritually. That being said, I completely understand why many humans prefer to be very cautious in their approach to any ETs. However, if there were, for example, an Alien race millions of years more technologically advanced(not spiritually advanced) than us, that decided to 'take us over' or get us out of the way, it would be a done deal in very short order. Our only hope would be that an equally or greater advanced ET that is benevolent would intervene and stop that from happening. There are several schools of thought out on the benevolent ones. Some say they are very compassionate but have no interest whatsoever in direct involvement in human affairs. Others say they are already involved and so have made a commitment to further involvement. Others say ETs have familial links to human beings and consider us very 'distant relatives', but relatives nonetheless that they will and have stood up for. So take your pick from the various perspectives.

I'd be interested to here more about your ET experiences Star Mariner.

[ResistETIntervention]

Whether these ETs are spiritually advanced or not is a topic that merits being discussed in a separate thread: The Extraterrestrial “Visitors” Are Not Spiritually Advanced Beings.

There are various perspectives about extraterrestrial abductors. Without experiencing life beyond the border of our solar system or having the vantage point to observe the world from outside our world, how can we know?

It’s foolish to regard extraterrestrial abductors as benevolent monitors of highly advanced spiritual beings or dispassionate scientists doing research on human beings. Every year, about 30,000 human beings disappear completely without a trace from the planet. This figure does not include explainable cases such as kidnapping by human beings, absconding, murders, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmB1PflaK8 (Homicide detective Butch Witkowski)

Not all abductees survive the ordeal of their abduction experiences and their bodies are used as ETs’ resources. This is the dark side of the ET Intervention which these ETs attempt to hide even from those human beings that fell under their persuasion and are now collaborating with them.

The ETs have been abducting estimated millions of people all over the world and keeping about 30,000 human beings every year for the past few decades. It is utter foolishness to assume that it is merely for the purpose of doing research on them or observing them. Certainly, abducting human beings to do research or observe is a fundamental violation of human rights, but using them as resources is beyond most humanity’s awareness or comprehension.

The universe is full of stark barren worlds replete with non-human races that have depleted their resources. As such, spiritually advanced races do not travel around the space much, unless it is for higher purposes. Even then, they do not gather in a large number, for traveling requires resources which they need to preserve. The Allies of Humanity consisted of only nine individuals.

Yet, the ETs of the ET Intervention have been gathering in a greater number each year bringing their supplies and establishing themselves in various locations in our solar system and our world. They are not here for a higher purpose, but for self-serving purposes to gain human allegiance and control of the world for its resources.

[ResistETIntervention]

Some people confuse these extraterrestrial beings as higher-dimensional beings that can travel inter-dimensionally by decreasing or increasing their densities. This is another one of ETs’ deceptions meant to confuse human beings into thinking that the ETs are some sort of mysterious beings beyond human comprehension. These ETs are not mysterious or spiritual beings. They are not beyond human comprehension. They are just space-traveling economic collectives that are here to covertly conquer the world.

Inter-dimensional travel, though greatly promising, has proven to be disastrous, for you cannot control your reentry, and even if you could find one of the portals, which are constantly in motion, you would not be able to ascertain where you would emerge—into what kind of physical environment or physical condition you would find yourself. That is why so many craft that have attempted this transference have never returned.

The portals remain a mystery. Interdimensional travel remains a hypothesis. We know that certain races have been able to bridge the gulf between dimensions. They have been able to communicate from the other dimension, but they were not able to return, and contact with them was short lived, leading to an uncertain outcome.

~From The Allies of Humanity – Book 3 (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/Allies/The_Allies_of_Humanity__Revealing_the_Extraterrestrial_Intervention_and_Teaching_Humanity_about_Life _in_the_Universe.html)



The Intervention is being carried out by physical beings who are driven by the same needs that drive humanity—the need for resources, the need for power, the need for wealth and the need for strategic advantage. It is these very things that drive all nations in the universe. You must not regard these beings as evil or demonic or as angelic. They are beings driven by the same needs that drive humanity.

~From The Allies of Humanity – Book 3 (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/Allies/The_Allies_of_Humanity__Revealing_the_Extraterrestrial_Intervention_and_Teaching_Humanity_about_Life _in_the_Universe.html)

[ResistETIntervention]

Abductees returned mind-controlled or those influenced by the deceptions of the ET Intervention often welcome and support the ET Intervention unconditionally, while disparaging human leaderships and institutions. This is also part of the influence the ET Intervention has been casting upon humanity in order to fracture human societies and provoke human beings to lose faith in themselves, in each other, and in the human leaderships.

It is the ETs of the ET Intervention that have seduced certain individuals in the positions of power with the enticements of greater wealth, power, and technology in order to corrupt them. And it is the ETs that are persuading citizens to lose faith in their human leaderships through individuals such as abductees returned mind-controlled and through their manipulations in the mental environment.

When human conflicts escalate in the difficult times ahead, the ETs scheme to present themselves as saviors that can teach human beings how to live in ‘peace.’ Having manipulated human beings to lose faith in human leaderships, the ETs may possibly gain people’s consensus for governance by extraterrestrial forces. If humanity does not become aware of the ETs’ deceptive tactics, then they may gain such consensus from enough people. In this way, these small groups of economic collectives do not even need to fire a shot to take over the whole world.

Clever and devious, aren’t they? Divide, weaken, and conquer is one of the methods the ET Intervention employs.

[ResistETIntervention]

The stance that most ETs are benevolent is also out of ignorance.

Can you see that the deceptive, self-serving extraterrestrials of the ET Intervention would not allow our true Allies to merely warn humanity against them? Can you see that our true Allies risked their lives to counsel us about the ETs of the ET Intervention, their activities, their strengths and weaknesses, their goals, and what humanity can do to expel them out of our solar system?

Can you discern our true Allies from Adversaries (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61075-Discerning-Allies-from-Adversaries) presenting themselves as our allies, saviors, ancestors, and such?

Can you see the reality humanity is facing with absolute clarity and objectivity without any false hopes, fears, or preferences?

[ResistETIntervention]

Nanoo Nanoo, you mentioned that you had ET friends. Youniverse, you had mentioned that you were abducted by “friendly” ETs that educated you. Star Mariner, you said that you “stood face to face with them in actual, nuts and bolts physical reality. It happened in real time; had a complete and natural duration, in that after the event no time was unaccounted for.”

I’m sure readers would be interested to find out about your experiences. Please do provide detailed explanations and include

the descriptions of the ETs you encountered
the manner in which you interacted
when, where, and how you have encountered them

Also, please be sure to account for every single second of the encounter with them if you can.

[Vitalux]

Personally .....I believe that that aliens manufactured our bodies for the higher spiritual entities and the Grays help maintain us for encapsulating souls.

Therfore, every so often they have to test the specimens to make sure they are tuned up and ready to operate.

It might sound a bit simple.....but ...they certainly are kind to us. :luv:
Even though we are a destructive primitive creature to this planet they let us destroy Planet Earth as fast as we can muster our stupidity and technology.

[ResistETIntervention]

Personally .....I believe that that aliens manufactured our bodies for the higher spiritual entities and the Grays help maintain us for encapsulating souls.

Therfore, every so often they have to test the specimens to make sure they are tuned up and ready to operate.

It might sound a bit simple.....but ...they certainly are kind to us. :luv:
Even though we are a destructive primitive creature to this planet they let us destroy Planet Earth as fast as we can muster our stupidity and technology.
Do not fool yourself. The ETs are not aware of "higher spiritual entities," let alone create them. You already have Higher Self within you, which is the gift from God. No one can create, alter, or manipulate that part of you.

[ResistETIntervention]

Lets have a party ! youve finally met one : 0 ) most of my experiences have been completely in tact and from start to finish while i am completely awake and can articulate every moment.

So now you have met 1

Naniu : 0 )

The important word in your sentence is "most." Once they have manipulated and completely taken over your mind, they may not have needed to erase your memory with them any further. You are now being used as their servant to misinform and obfuscate the public. Not everyone taken has completely fallen under the persuasion of their extraterrestrial abductors, thus the need for erasure or suppression of their memories of abduction episodes.

[Vitalux]

Do not fool yourself. The ETs are not aware of "higher spiritual entities," let alone create them. You already have Higher Self within you, which is the gift from God. No one can create, alter, or manipulate that part of you.

That is quite an interesting statement.
Have you had any personal experiences with an ET and/or had them convey this knowledge to you?

I find it kind of interesting how you appear equate Human Beings with the only physical entity that is perhaps spiritually aware :juggle:

[thunder24]

would you know if your mind was taken over?

I don't expect an answer as you've ignored questions directed at you before.




Lets have a party ! youve finally met one : 0 ) most of my experiences have been completely in tact and from start to finish while i am completely awake and can articulate every moment.

So now you have met 1

Naniu : 0 )

The important word in your sentence is "most." Once they have manipulated and completely taken over your mind, they may not have needed to erase your memory with them any further. You are now being used as their servant to misinform and obfuscate the public. Not everyone taken has completely fallen under the persuasion of their extraterrestrial abductors, thus the need for erasure or suppression of their memories of abduction episodes.

[ResistETIntervention]

would you know if your mind was taken over?

I don't expect an answer as you've ignored questions directed at you before.



Are you addressing me or Nanoo Nanoo? If you're addressing me, which questions are you referring to?

[thunder24]

you and we can start with the one you quoted


would you know if your mind was taken over?

I don't expect an answer as you've ignored questions directed at you before.



Are you addressing me or Nanoo Nanoo? If you're addressing me, which questions are you referring to?


how did we get here for them to intervene with us? How do you know?

If "they" put us here or "created" us, would we not b "their" property until we as a planet stood up and said "no more", as one voice?! ...and until that time we would b looked at as property no? Do you tell others what to do with their property, do you like it when you are told what to do with your property?

I did not like my mom and dad taking me to the doctor when i was young, and making me get shots... that was against my will... unethical you could say... malevolent you cold say... benevolent you could say... responsible you could say...

How do you know 100%

feed the world
peace


The ETs have been clandestinely invading our world and carrying out certain activities for some time now. They have been studying human psychology, physiology, social behaviors, etc. Of course they know that human beings would regard their invasion unethical. Of course they already know that other races in the local universe would regard their “visitation” and activities in our world unethical. If humanity did not welcome the ET Intervention and resisted these ETs, then other races of the Greater Community of Worlds will be able to observe our resistance movement, and then these ETs will have no choice but to leave our solar system. That is the reason that they have been carrying out their sinister activities covertly. They need human beings to remain ignorant about their “visitation,” in denial of it, welcoming it, or at least neutral about it. In order to keep people in one of those four states, they have been casting the Pacification Program upon humanity.

You can see the mindboggling pervasiveness of the program everywhere in the world

[QUOTE=blufire;694680] I cannot wrap my head around this. You are coming entirely from a human point of view. The reason that you cannot “wrap your head around this” is that your mind is being controlled by your extraterrestrial abductors. You’re displaying all the symptoms of an abductee returned mind-controlled and now welcoming, supporting, and even apologizing for your abductors.


We cannot even begin to understand alien intent . . . .we cant even agree on human intent. That is partially correct. Human beings still tolerate diversity in thoughts, beliefs, cultures, values, opinions,... However, the ETs do not value such qualities viewing them as chaotic. Their society is a hierarchical system in which individuals are strictly controlled by their superiors, with very little freedom for individuals and few identifiable distinctions among individuals. So the intent of these extraterrestrials is quite single-minded, focused, and clear: to overtake this world covertly for the access of resources. They do not deviate from their goals.


All I can say is my heart goes out to you because it is clear something very traumatic has happened to you. I hope you have someone who can help you sort this out and you can come to some peace.
I have absolutely no recollection of ever being abducted by any extraterrestrial beings. While it is true that any one of us could have been abducted by extraterrestrial beings unbeknownst to ourselves, you are one of the abductees who do remember having been abducted. So chances are you are the one who has experienced traumatic incidences, even if you don’t recollect them or recollect only the pleasant(?) memories (with missing times) that were inserted by them or that you were rendered to think you experienced.

I don’t know whether it is possible to awaken abductees returned mind-controlled to realize that what the ETs put them through is unethical and most likely horrific, or whether they can recall each and every one of their abduction episode in its entirety.

Only you can answer that for yourself.

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Most feel the grays/reptilians are the evil horrible ones. Most think the orbs are somehow the ‘good or benevolent ones' so what or who are the blue orb? Because I have the most missing time with the blue orb(s) then this is some sort of negative abusive alien abduction? Your missing time with the blue orbs is the very part of your abduction episodes that you need to recall desperately for your sake. Are you somehow more attracted to the “blue orb(s)” than grays/reptilians abductors? How will be you certain that the orbs were not a projection of image of the grays/reptilian abductors? Do the blue orbs arouse “loving” feelings in you? As I have stated in one of the previous posts, you do not want to trust what you see, hear, or feel in the vicinity of ETs, as they are capable of projecting images and manipulating what your senses report to you.


I believe it is very arrogant and presumptuous of you to make such an outrageous claim to ownership. And how in the hell would we ‘secure our solar systems border’ and why would we even want to? Talk about setting up a scenario with war among worlds. I have already mentioned how we would secure our border: by declaring human sovereignty (http://www.humansovereignty.org/).

Our local universe which consists of about 5000 solar systems is occupied by worlds that have been long established with long-standing commerce and trade relationships. In order to keep their trade routes clear of troubles, they have also established rules and regulations which they adhere to, lest they may disrupt trade relationships. Under such regulations, the ETs are not allowed to conquer any world by force. Through their experiences, they have come to realize that there are no winners in wars using high-tech armaments that destroy precious environments. So, should any world attempt to overtake another world by force, there would be hundreds of worlds attempting to suppress that one world that it would be a futile attempt to even try such method. Thus, the ETs have learned to employ more subtle and sophisticated methods in any endeavors to conquer another world: persuasions and manipulations in the mental environment.

The fact that a world can be conquered, albeit by a different sort of weapons which humanity has little comprehension about, indicates that there are wars occurring in the local universe, not physical wars, but battles in the mental environment. It would be utterly naïve to presume that ETs are spiritually advanced because they are technologically advanced.

It’s important to note here that ET agents (ETs, human-alien hybrids, abductees returned mind-controlled, and also perhaps human beings that have fallen under the ETs’ persuasion) are the only ones who adamantly reject the idea of humanity’s declaring its sovereignty in the solar system, for that would be the only way to force the ETs out of the solar system.

Contemplate upon that. If you can...

hhhmmm you post right before me
what i mean...hhhmm




why the solar system, do you know if there are humans on another planet, do you know if another life form was born on another planet in the solar system? I 'v never been to pluto... I hear Uranus is sideways... :heh:...but i dnt know....

[Gardener]

THis is a really interesting thread, with some very polarised experiences. Neither has been verified as either confirmed or rejected as fact, probably because it is very subjective. Although Star Marriner seems to have had an objective experience. It seems that the certainty by which each side 'knows' is as concrete and written in stone as it gets. So this begs a couple of questions
Can both be right?
or:
Is this just another cointelpro operative (conscious or unconscious)?
Are the beneficial contacts a product of the 'undivided self' (as per quote below) attempting to communicate wisdom?

ResistET-----> You already have Higher Self within you, which is the gift from God. No one can create, alter, or manipulate that part of you.

[ResistETIntervention]

I find it kind of interesting how you appear equate Human Beings with the only physical entity that is perhaps spiritually aware

I'm not sure what you mean by that sentence. Do you mean that I'm regarding human beings as physical beings that are not aware of spirituality? If that is the case, I'm not quite sure where you're getting that idea. I have been stating that all intelligent beings including human beings, benevolent races, even self-serving ETs are all physical beings with Higher Self within them. However, not all are aware of this Higher Self.

The ETs currently present in our world and solar system certainly are not aware of this. They are races from the societies that are strictly controlling and controlled. Individual freedom is unknown to them. Freedom to practice religions, let alone follow their higher callings and purposes, is unknown to them.

Even in this world, many human religious traditions have veered away from the essence of all religions, Higher Self within individuals, and thus, it remains dormant within each person to be ignited. Individuals may follow religious traditions without really practicing to reclaim this Higher Self within them, called Knowledge (Spiritual Intelligence) in the Greater Community of Worlds.

[ResistETIntervention]

Have you had any personal experiences with an ET and/or had them convey this knowledge to you?
No one should trust the experiences of those individuals who have had “personal” experiences or contact with ETs, as opposed to gruesome, traumatic abduction experiences. The ETs have the skills to manipulate human beings’ perceptions, senses, and emotions. Those who have had “loving, pleasant, or friendly” experiences with ETs must absolutely see this with greater objectivity. They must recognize that their experiences were NOT genuine. Even those who claim to have had face-to-face “friendly or beneficial” experiences have had time loss at some point or another. They must NOT see any encounters as genuine.

Abduction is a fundamental violation of human rights.

Human beings are NOT ready yet for any contact.

In my case, I have no recollection of having any personal contact with ETs or of abduction experiences. I have had many psychical attacks, particularly when I declare human sovereignty (http://www.humansovereignty.org/). So I know that the ET Intervention does NOT want human race to declare its sovereignty, though our true Allies of Humanity have encouraged us to do so.

[ResistETIntervention]

The Allies of Humanity wishes to empower us humanity and wishes for humanity to unite itself and emerge as a strong, independent race with freedom and self-determination preserved.

The ETs of the ET Intervention wishes human beings

to seek help from them to defeat “bad aliens,” (which is for their own benefit as they get to eliminate their own competitors in gaining control of the world),
to seek help from them to “solve” global issues for us, (which will be for their own benefit and not ours, as they wish to preserve the world and its resources… for themselves!),
to fall for their (false) promises of wealth, power, or dominion over humanity (this is to gain human allegiance and assistance they need in covertly conquering the world),
to fall for their offer of (addictive trinket) technology, (which is to engender dependence upon them),
to become dependent upon them (this is to lead humanity into acquiescence and ultimately, into enslavement),
to regard them as “peaceful beings” that can teach human beings how to live in peace (which would be generated by their strict, oppressive controlling through genetic manipulation of human beings, the same way they have accomplished “peace” within their own societies),
to regard them as mysterious and spiritual entities (which they are not, and again, this is to gain human allegiance by exploiting human desires for spirituality),
to regard them as spiritual emissaries here to elevate them spiritually, (individual freedom including freedom to practice religion or follow higher calling is unknown to them, so they cannot elevate themselves spiritually, let alone human beings. However, they know how to manipulate human tendency and desire for spirituality to gain human allegiance to their cause),
to be in conflict among ourselves, (this is to divide, weaken, and further fragment human race),
to lose faith in ourselves, in each other, and in human leaderships, (this is to create conflict among human race and to present themselves as saviors in the difficult times ahead and gain public consensus for leadership from extraterrestrial forces),
to remain pacified to regard abductees' experiences as equivalent to human beings’ consuming animals or experimenting on animals dispassionately, (this is to insult and dispirit humanity into thinking that it is not worthy),


The ET Intervention attempts to disempower us through above tactics and deceptions in order to ensure that humanity does not unite to rise against the ET Intervention and declare our sovereignty (http://www.humansovereignty.org/) within the solar system.

If you can observe the world honestly and objectively, you can see all of these occurring,…even in this forum.

[ResistETIntervention]

THis is a really interesting thread, with some very polarised experiences. Neither has been verified as either confirmed or rejected as fact, probably because it is very subjective. ….It seems that the certainty by which each side 'knows' is as concrete and written in stone as it gets. So this begs a couple of questions.
Can both be right?
You can see that both cannot be correct, if you understand the reality as it exists. The stance that there are some benevolent ET races and some malevolent ET races coexisting in our world and solar system is as contradictory as the stance that all ETs are benevolent.

I’m going to presume that there aren’t too many people with the latter stance, as such people vacuously ignores the traumatic experiences many abductees have had. I ask such people to do some research. The video I included above of the interview with the homicide detective Butch Witkowski is a place to start.

Those with the stance that currently in our world and solar system, there are some benevolent ET races and some malevolent ET races must realize that ETs are capable of manipulating human beings’ senses, emotions, and perceptions. Also, our true Allies, the Allies of Humanity, were sought out for destruction by the ETs of the ET Intervention because our Allies warned humanity against the ET Intervention. Indeed, four of the nine individuals consisting of the Allies of Humanity had to destroy themselves and their spaceships in order to keep their anonymity. The remaining five of them were chased out of the solar system with the ET Intervention tracking them down. This was explained here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61075-Discerning-Allies-from-Adversaries).

These two events have two implications: that any true allies of humanity with our best interests at heart could not coexist with self-serving ETs in our solar system, and that, with the Allies of Humanity leaving our solar system, there are no true allies of humanity currently in our solar system.

All extraterrestrial races currently present in our world are here with self-serving motives to conquer the world. They are not at war with each other, but they are competing with each other for the control of the world. In that respect, all of them are cooperating with one another seeking their benefits. Thus, no races openly enticing humanity with the help to destroy “malevolent aliens” have the best interests of humanity at heart. Such ETs are merely trying to eliminate their competitors in conquering this world. The "malevolent aliens" they portend to destroy are aware of such tactics, for they use various schemes to take control of this world and its resources as well.

[ResistETIntervention]

thunder24, your questions are very valid and actually cannot be answered in a couple of paragraphs, so I intended to start a new thread when I got a chance. I will post the link to the thread here once I create it.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

No one should trust the experiences of those individuals who have had “personal” experiences or contact with ETs, as opposed to gruesome, traumatic abduction experiences. The ETs have the skills to manipulate human beings’ perceptions, senses, and emotions. Those who have had “loving, pleasant, or friendly” experiences with ETs must absolutely see this with greater objectivity. They must recognize that their experiences were NOT genuine. Even those who claim to have had face-to-face “friendly or beneficial” experiences have had time loss at some point or another. They must NOT see any encounters as genuine.


ResistETIntervention,

You advise "[We] must NOT see any encounters as genuine. "

Are there exceptions to those who can be manipulated during/after telepathic or physical contact with ETs?


Marshall Vian Summers?
Yourself?

I'm just trying to discover how information can be evaluated if all information is invalid after an ET encounter(s).

[Vitalux]

I find it kind of interesting how you appear to equate Human Beings with the only physical entity that is perhaps spiritually aware

I'm not sure what you mean by that sentence. .
My apologies, I fixed that sentence.

The part that I am confused at is this.
From my own understanding Human-Beings contain really two parts;

-a spiritual soul (Being)

- a biological android type container body which has artificial intelligence for the biological unit (Human).


This kind of knowledge or information is already known to science and there are a a select number of skilled physicians and scientist that have written scientific papers or books about their observations and findings.

Millions of people around planet Earth have both the skill and capability to (by will) take their soul (being) out of their body and travel the astro world.
We even have members here on Avalon that have Out of Body Experiences.

From the best of my understanding, Everything, Everywhere, and Everyone is Source.

Therefore, I am a bit confused how something that is already a part of source isn't. If some race of biological entities is not aware of Source, than would that not be a direct result of Source blocking it's awareness.:confused:

Much the same way as how Source ultimately blocks human beings consciousness and makes us not too much more brighter than the average monkey.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c3b086a392c41c4779f8e3538d667962/tumblr_mki7miTDoP1rc407qo1_400.gif

[JohnEAngel]

all that we really have to go on is what we have read from abductees. IMO i have read quite a lot but then again maybe not enough. it does seem to me however that most abduction experiences that i have read about are from Greys, including the Barney and Betty Hill experience. and most of those experiences have been less than loving. the Grey and Reptilian agenda have this planet locked down and then they control the TPTB. abductions are multi-purpose, some so unthinkable that it is hard to comprehend. so to answer the question, 'why are aliens abducting human beings?', i say expand your awareness. but you won't like the answer. the only comfort i have in this environment is knowing that this is temporary and that i will be on to greater things when time passes.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Lets have a party ! youve finally met one : 0 ) most of my experiences have been completely in tact and from start to finish while i am completely awake and can articulate every moment.

So now you have met 1

Naniu : 0 )

The important word in your sentence is "most." Once they have manipulated and completely taken over your mind, they may not have needed to erase your memory with them any further. You are now being used as their servant to misinform and obfuscate the public. Not everyone taken has completely fallen under the persuasion of their extraterrestrial abductors, thus the need for erasure or suppression of their memories of abduction episodes.

Tell me can you account for every moment in your life ? Can you account for when you were mind controlled ? Who do you believe has given you this view of the alien agenda ?

Cheers

Naniu

[Nanoo Nanoo]

No one should trust the experiences of those individuals who have had “personal” experiences or contact with ETs, as opposed to gruesome, traumatic abduction experiences. The ETs have the skills to manipulate human beings’ perceptions, senses, and emotions. Those who have had “loving, pleasant, or friendly” experiences with ETs must absolutely see this with greater objectivity. They must recognize that their experiences were NOT genuine. Even those who claim to have had face-to-face “friendly or beneficial” experiences have had time loss at some point or another. They must NOT see any encounters as genuine.


ResistETIntervention,

You advise "[We] must NOT see any encounters as genuine. "

Are there exceptions to those who can be manipulated during/after telepathic or physical contact with ETs?


Marshall Vian Summers?
Yourself?

I'm just trying to discover how information can be evaluated if all information is invalid after an ET encounter(s).

What Resist Is suggesting is an impossible proposition. You cannot blanket every possible interaction with a negative scenario. This would imply you are a higly intelligent being with the ability to scan and conclude every interac tion thats ever taken place from the beginning of time un till now. Are you saying thats what you have done ? if so can i see your data ? must be a huge spread sheet : 0- ) or is it a pie chart ?

Naniu

[thunder24]

I LOVE Pie... but the sodium morphate in the Apple Pie is to Die for...


...or is it a pie chart ?

Naniu

:focus:

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I LOVE Pie... but the sodium morphate in the Apple Pie is to Die for...


...or is it a pie chart ?

Naniu

:focus:

LOL this Resist Charachter is something else.. i thought i was the town nutter .. i have been up staged !

she even knows about all or our own personal experiences , then tells us we are that silly we cannot possibly determine the difference , you know its a bit offensive to make such accusations ..

SO tell me ( i dont expect an answer as usual ) You state that God is in us and created us right ? SO then God in your opinion only made This planet and its immediate atmosphere ? because beyond that is where all the boogey men live must have been made by another God ? was his sons name Bert ? or Ernie ?

You insult God by your remarks ( where ever he is .. personally i think he is retired )

N

[xthesurge0nx]

Disclosure of aliens- I don't think we are ready for disclosure as defined by current activists, as we can see how polarized is the subject of 'alien presence'.
Reasons:

a) Knowing those species that have been secretly interacting with our governments and / or taking people against their conscious will, would not create a controllable environment for humanity, even if we are to be left alone and no more alien presence would follow. The fact that we will be confronted with the truth that we are not on top of the life pyramid (or, chain of life on earth) might cause tremendous turbulence, people not trusting authority, religion being doubted, a complete chaos.

b) Disclosing the facts we know about the above mentioned aliens will only do injustice to the overall terminology associated with the word 'alien' people will not be able to discern and rather use their instinctual evolutionary traits as 'they' and 'us', creating new type of galactic racism.

c) Lack of sufficient evidence regarding the existence and work of the not 'Self Serving' species would be detrimental for any type of disclosure.

So these are the reasons i think this matter should be for now still away from the public, and disclosed only until a more balanced picture could be given.

Thank you.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree for the following reasons;

1. People are being allowed to die, and have done for 60 years, so the people in charge of the information are criminals.

2. Leaving this information in the hands of a few instead of the many is putting the human species at risk, normalcy bias.

3. The US government allowed another species to abduct women & children for technology to increase its control over the people of Earth.

4. People cannot make informed decisions on life, religion, spirituality, etc etc because the very foundations of their existance is a lie.

5. The same people that are keeping this information from the public are molesting & murdering children, fluoridating the public without their knowledge or consent, spraying chemicals & bacteria on the public, as well as a lot more.

6. The people who control this information are murdering people to keep this information from the public, real people with real lives, family members and children.

7. Men are being sent to die for resources of other countries, none of those men had to die because we have had the technology to move away from Oil, Gas & Coal.

8. The people who control the information are working towards a New World Order, a one world government setup my criminals & murderers, control of people, modern day slavery.

9. It's my God given right to know who I am and the universe in which I live in.

10. Secrecy is causing suffering to people, men, women and children locked away in mental institutions for telling the truth.

11. Groups of society are bullying other groups of society causing tension.

12. Humanity is being suppressed, devolution instead of evolution.

13. The human race is being genetically infiltrated by intelligent civilizations and the people who know this are allowing this to happen, so whos side are these people really on.

14. I don't consent to the current power structure with its fraud, its murder and its war.

15. I want to know who they are and what they want.

16. I have to constantly sit back and do what everyone else wants even if I disagree and put up with it all of my life and I'm sick of it.

17. I want to interact with other civilizations and learn new things.

18. The information belongs to the 99% not the 1%.

Ill leave it there but I could go on...we have a right to know the truth...I wish people would stop saying "I don't think humanity is ready", you don't know that, it's your opinion & it angers me to hear people I have never met making decisions on my behalf...please stop saying "I don't think humanity is ready" because you have no idea what the rest of humanity is thinking...everyone I talk to already believe in Extraterrestrials so it's not like it will be a supprise to find out.

As for "ResistETIntervention"...the issue is probably much more complex than 3 categories...

If 4-100+ ET civilizations have been visiting Earth for thousands of years, in my opinion without a full public debate involving not only the brightest minds but also the general public we cannot possibly say that there are only 3 categories...

If there were 3 different civilizations then yes...but theres 100+ maybe thousands...each with its own agenda...alliances...enemies...intelligence gathering...counter intelligence...without getting deep until the information is out in the public domain it's complete speculation.

You and the group of people who support you might want these civilizations to leave, but others don't, me personally...I would like to interact with them...learn who I am and where I come from...who they are and where they come from...learn about conciousness and technology as one unit interacting. I would like to take the good with the bad...the rough with the smooth...I want to get off this rock before I die...I want to explore new worlds, see planets, other civilizations...I want to meet them...I really do...

[wobbegong]

...You and the group of people who support you might want these civilizations to leave, but others don't, me personally...I would like to interact with them...learn who I am and where I come from...who they are and where they come from...learn about conciousness and technology as one unit interacting. I would like to take the good with the bad...the rough with the smooth...I want to get off this rock before I die...I want to explore new worlds, see planets, other civilizations...I want to meet them...I really do...

Wishful thinking IMO. The 18 points you listed have nothing to do with what the races that are visiting us are here for. They are not here to help you "...learn who I am and where I come from...", c'mon, we all want to explore new worlds, planets etc. but that shouldn't be the basis for our discernment.

[Jake]

...You and the group of people who support you might want these civilizations to leave, but others don't, me personally...I would like to interact with them...learn who I am and where I come from...who they are and where they come from...learn about conciousness and technology as one unit interacting. I would like to take the good with the bad...the rough with the smooth...I want to get off this rock before I die...I want to explore new worlds, see planets, other civilizations...I want to meet them...I really do...

Wishful thinking IMO. The 18 points you listed have nothing to do with what the races that are visiting us are here for. They are not here to help you "...learn who I am and where I come from...", c'mon, we all want to explore new worlds, planets etc. but that shouldn't be the basis for our discernment.

Jake whispers,, (We are on a new planet, exploring and learning about ourselves... who we are, and where we came from!!)

[xthesurge0nx]

Wishful thinking IMO. The 18 points you listed have nothing to do with what the races that are visiting us are here for. They are not here to help you "...learn who I am and where I come from...", c'mon, we all want to explore new worlds, planets etc. but that shouldn't be the basis for our discernment.



I was replying to a comment someone made not to you personally.

There's multiple different races with multiple agendas.

If Meiers story as well as a lot of other stories are true then you're wrong.

"SOME" Extraterrestrial races are here for their own agenda while others "might" be here to help. The bottom line in my opinion, nobody truely knows why they are here, everyone is speculating, until we have open dialog with them we will never know.

It was a quick reply to someone, see it as that nothing else, as for "that shouldn't be the basis for our discernment", I never said that...that's you filling in the gaps...that's your problem not mine!!!

This is said with a smile ;)

[wobbegong]

...Jake whispers,, (We are on a new planet, exploring and learning about ourselves... who we are, and where we came from!!)

I think so too, but I believe it's an inner search, something that shouldn't be influenced by self proclaimed ET rescuers.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

"SOME" Extraterrestrial races are here for their own agenda while others "might" be here to help. The bottom line in my opinion, nobody truely knows why they are here, everyone is speculating, until we have open dialog with them we will never know.

I suspect that friendly ETs would respect our free will choices and not encourage us to change anything with the urgency of a used car salesman.

When contact becomes more common and government is involved, another way to discern "friendly" from "not friendly" is to watch the government's behavior. If the government is shooting at ETs, those ETs are probably the good guys/gals.

[wobbegong]

I was replying to a comment someone made not to you personally.

I know, I didn't mean it to be personal.

There's multiple different races with multiple agendas.

I agree...somewhat, but IMO the agenda is generally not in our favour.

If Meiers story as well as a lot of other stories are true then you're wrong.
Of course, I'm actually facing a 'time of reckoning' with some Meier related info that I advocated quite strongly...I'm having a tough time but too many things are in contradiction.

"SOME" Extraterrestrial races are here for their own agenda while others "might" be here to help. The bottom line in my opinion, nobody truely knows why they are here, everyone is speculating, until we have open dialog with them we will never know.

Ideally I would agree with you, but I have reason to think that the level of deceit that they can master would put us in a weak position.

It was a quick reply to someone, see it as that nothing else, as for "that shouldn't be the basis for our discernment", I never said that...that's you filling in the gaps...that's your problem not mine!!!

Hey sorry mate, I got you wrong there:)

[xthesurge0nx]

Whats wrong with learning along side other races? Learning from eachother...how can we learn ourselves when we haven't got the truth about who we are? History suppressed, information locked away in vaults, scientists murdered & threatened, the Vatican keeping religious scripture locked away from the people, a media who spreads propaganda...it goes on and on...I just think we can't truely know who we are and make informed decisions while there's so much secrecy, our own people have lied so much that I personally can't trust most people involved in politics...to add to that I think politics is a global killer and possibly will bring about the end of mankind...it's politics that is causing most of the problems on Earth...and because of the goals of the politicians we have today (their own survival) we won't get the truth from them.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




If the government is shooting at ETs, those ETs are probably the good guys/gals.



Well said...

[wobbegong]

Whats wrong with learning along side other races? Learning from eachother...how can we learn ourselves when we haven't got the truth about who we are? History suppressed, information locked away in vaults, scientists murdered & threatened, the Vatican keeping religious scripture locked away from the people, a media who spreads propaganda...it goes on and on...I just think we can't truely know who we are and make informed decisions while there's so much secrecy, our own people have lied so much that I personally can't trust most people involved in politics...to add to that I think politics is a global killer and possibly will bring about the end of mankind...it's politics that is causing most of the problems on Earth...and because of the goals of the politicians we have today (their own survival) we won't get the truth from them.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




If the government is shooting at ETs, those ETs are probably the good guys/gals.



Well said...
LoL Ditto, I think rmauersr's statement should be carved in stone! Hehehehe!
..but, you know, I had a very recent experience with most of the things you mention, things I couldn't agree with you more, and I still agree, but what I realised is that it's something that is being used as promises. I was totally into that, but presently I believe it's just up to us to solve those problems. I believe that if we lose trust in the human race (in us) we are doomed - nobody can come and solve our problems, and if they did, we would fall into the same pitfalls again - so why would a loving brethren do that for us?

[xthesurge0nx]

it's something that is being used as promises



A perfect example of your quote, David Cameron said he would give the public a vote on the European Union after the next election.




up to us to solve those problems.



Too true, youre right in my opinion.




I believe that if we lose trust in the human race (in us) we are doomed



Again too true.




nobody can come and solve our problems, and if they did, we would fall into the same pitfalls again



I share your thoughts.




so why would a loving brethren do that for us



It's like when a child is growing up, you have to let them get their heart broken otherwise they will not become wise to the world...

[xthesurge0nx]

"the agenda is generally not in our favour."

(wobbegong, 2013)



I agree with you %110.





"but I have reason to think that the level of deceit that they can master would put us in a weak position."

(wobbegong, 2013)



I agree with you %110.

In reality, if they are lets say 100 years more advanced in every department they could genetically modify for deception purposes, an advanced spy network, how better to gather intelligence than have people on the inside.

Now lets say they are 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000+ years more advanced in every department one can only imagine how much experience & history has gone into their research. To add to that a cosmic consciousness, a lot of Earth haven't even left their own city.

Lets look at the deception from the CIA, they lie to the world every day...and they lose no sleep...imagine an advanced ant civilization, an advanced bee civilization, an advanced dinosaur civilization, advanced spiders etc etc...people don't seem to see, the animals think. Have you ever sat and watched a coloney of birds interact, communicate, maintain order as well as rank and file, feed, give birth etc etc...there's thought behind their eyes, like we think before we speak...they have a mind...just like us...



"The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent US government agency responsible for providing national security intelligence to senior US policymakers."


(CIA, 2013)




CIA Vision, Mission & Values

Vision

One Agency. One Community. An Agency unmatched in its core capabilities, functioning as one team, fully integrated into the Intelligence Community.

Mission

We are the nation’s first line of defense. We accomplish what others cannot accomplish and go where others cannot go. We carry out our mission by:
•Collecting information that reveals the plans, intentions and capabilities of our adversaries and provides the basis for decision and action.
•Producing timely analysis that provides insight, warning and opportunity to the President and decisionmakers charged with protecting and advancing America’s interests.
•Conducting covert action at the direction of the President to preempt threats or achieve US policy objectives.

Core Values

•Service. We put Country first and Agency before self. Quiet patriotism is our hallmark. We are dedicated to the mission, and we pride ourselves on our extraordinary responsiveness to the needs of our customers.
•Integrity. We uphold the highest standards of conduct. We seek and speak the truth—to our colleagues and to our customers. We honor those Agency officers who have come before us and we honor the colleagues with whom we work today.
•Excellence. We hold ourselves—and each other—to the highest standards. We embrace personal accountability. We reflect on our performance and learn from that reflection.


(CIA, 2013)




As changing global realities have reordered the national security agenda, CIA has met these challenges by:

•Creating special, multidisciplinary centers to address such high-priority issues such as nonproliferation, counterterrorism, counterintelligence, international organized crime and narcotics trafficking, environment, and arms control intelligence.
•Forging stronger partnerships between the several intelligence collection disciplines and all-source analysis.
•Taking an active part in Intelligence Community analytical efforts and producing all-source analysis on the full range of topics that affect national security.
•Contributing to the effectiveness of the overall Intelligence Community by managing services of common concern in imagery analysis and open-source collection and participating in partnerships with other intelligence agencies in the areas of research and development and technical collection.


(CIA, 2013)


All the above is just turd polish...

Think about our own intelligence services and this may give us an understanding, some insight into what "some" Extraterrestrials are doing, or part of their agenda, an advanced Intelligence Cycle with cosmic consciousness.



The Intelligence Cycle

•Planning and Direction
•Collection
•Processing
•Analysis and Production
•Dissemination

Planning and Direction

When we are tasked with a specific job, we begin planning what we’ll do and how. We move in a specific direction to get the job done, listing what we know about the issue and what we need to find out. We discuss ways to gather the necessary intelligence.

Collection

We collect information overtly (openly) and covertly (secretly). Reading foreign newspapers and magazine articles, listening to foreign radio, and watching overseas television broadcasts are examples of “overt” (or open) sources for us. Other information sources can be “covert” (or secret), such as information collected with listening devices and hidden cameras. We can even use space-age technology like satellite photography. For instance, some analysts could actually view how many airplanes are present at a foreign military base by looking at a picture taken from a satellite in space.

Processing

We take all the information that we have collected and put it into an intelligence report. This information could be anything from a translated document to a description of a satellite photo.

Analysis and Production

During this step, we take a closer look at all the information and determine how it fits together, while concentrating on answering the original tasking. We assess what is happening, why it is happening, what might occur next, and how it affects US interests.

Dissemination

In this final step, we give our final written analysis to a policymaker, the same policymaker who started the cycle. After reading the final analysis and learning the answer to the original question, the policymaker may come back with more questions. Then the whole process starts over again.


(CIA, 2013)


These beings will be following Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) just like us.



Army Techniques Publication (ATP) 3-90.90 facilitates development of standard operating procedures (SOPs) in order to enhance efficiency and adaptability across the force. ATP 3-90.90 achieves this purpose through linking to a milWiki portal under the milSuite uniform resource locator (URL) containing guidance for tactical SOPs and unclassified examples of SOPs for reference. The SOP portal provides a baseline for developing new SOPs quickly and a forum for improving existing SOPs. The portal presents best practices consistent with doctrinal principles.

http://armypubs.army.mil/doctrine/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/atp3_90x90.pdf




A standard operating procedure is a set of instructions covering those features of operations which lend themselves to a definite or standardized procedure without loss of effectiveness.




A SOP is both standing and standard: it instructs how to perform a prescribed and accepted process established for completing a task. Features of operations that lend themselves to standardization are common and usually detailed processes performed often and requiring minimal variation each time.




Well-written and properly used unit tactical SOPs enhance effective execution of tasks; the benefits of SOPs are numerous. They reduce training time, the loss of unwritten information, the commission of errors, the omission of essential steps or processes, and the time required for completion of tasks.




This does not mean, however, that carrying out SOPs never requires thought or that SOPs should never change. Indeed, tactical units must change some operating procedures as rapidly as operational environments and missions change.


You could also add the development life cycle Planning, Research, Design, Development, Testing and Evaluation.

They will want to know things like Who, What, When, Where, Why and How.

They will have some sort of Military organization which will probably be a hierarchical structure with ranks. The Military will have some sort of management and administration which would probably be their government.



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(http://www.vetfriends.com/military_structure/index.cfm?branch=Army)

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(http://www.vetfriends.com/military_structure/index.cfm?branch=Air Force)


Remote Viewing

FULL - http://www.remoteviewed.com/crv_docs_full.pdf - 10mb

1985 CRV training manual/document - http://www.remoteviewed.com/files/4.2.07/1985_CRV_manual.pdf - 2.19mb

The Military CRV training manual (1990s) - http://www.remoteviewed.com/files/CRV%20manual%20full.pdf - 672kb

Open Source CRV - http://www.remoteviewed.com/open%20source_v3.0.pdf - (Version:3.0) (2.2MB)

Ingo Swann - http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Superpowers.html

Currency

They may have a currency hopefully not like the one on Earth.




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(http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-12-11/%E2%80%9Cinteresting-times%E2%80%9D-best-times-own-real-tangible-physical-gold)



Civilizations

There is most likely all sorts of ancient civilizations, customs, religions, spiritual beliefs and belief systems.




http://www.anony.ws/i/2013/07/27/uVTti.jpg



Motive for a coverup

So I'm led to believe the Universe is full of life and the Secret Societies in the US Government are working in collusion with other Secret Societies from other governments to cover it up from the public because of greed. Motive money, power and control.

Space & Galaxies




http://www.anony.ws/i/2013/07/27/o0RMV.jpg

(http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0709b/)



Colonies

As well as the Universe being full of life I believe from what I have gathered from witness testimony there are colonies interacting with other colonies like the diagrams below using computers and computer networks as a representation of my thought pattern.




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(http://www.novell.com/info/primer/art/prim14.gif)

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(http://ultrabpm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/network-patterns3.png)



How the Secret is being kept

This secret is being kept using multiple methods including but not restricted to Propaganda through News outlets & media, Psychological Warfare through News outlets & media, Neuro Linguistic Programming through advertising, Subliminal Stimuli through music, movies, media & video games, Compartmentalization as well as Science gained from Nazi scientists captured after world war 2 in an operation conducted by the United States Office of Strategic Services (OSS) known as Operation Paperclip. Paperclip had multiple purposes, one purpose being to deny German scientific expertise and knowledge to the USSR & the United Kingdom. Many scientists were captured including but not restricted to Rocket Scientists, Engineers, Technicians, Physicians, Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Nuclear Physicists,

Propaganda

Linguist, philosopher, cognitive scientist, historian Noam Chomsky - Control of the Public Mind



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Propaganda & Mainstream Media - Regimenting the public mind like an army regiments its soldiers


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Freemason - US Naval Intelligence William Cooper - Mind Control - Illuminati - Bilderberg - 1994


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Psychological Warfare

Ex-KGB Yuri Bezmenov Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society


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Ex-KGB - Yuri Bezmenov - Deception was my job - Russian & American Psychological Warfare - 1985


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Psywar - Psychological Warfare - US Military/Government/Rockefeller - Deceiving the world public


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Concentration of media ownership



"Concentration of media ownership (also known as media consolidation or media convergence) is a process whereby progressively fewer individuals or organizations control increasing shares of the mass media."


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownership#cite_ref-1)


Operation Mockingbird - CIA Media Control Program


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Illuminati

After the capture of the German Scientists, the Allies which included France, Poland, the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, Soviet Union, the United States of America, China, Belgium, Brazil, Czechoslovakia, Free Danes, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, and Yugoslavia, initially housed them and their families in Landshut, Bavaria, in southern Germany. Bavaria being the Bavarian Illuminati place of origin on May 1, 1776 or (7-1)+(7-1)+6 = 666, by German philosopher Johann Adam Weishaupt. The Ilhiminati refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati or Order of Illuminati. It was founded in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria), with an initial membership of five "freethinkers". Illuminati is sometimes used synonymously with New World Order.

13 Illuminati Bloodlines

1. The Astor Bloodline
2. The Bundy Bloodline
3. The Collins Bloodline
4. The DuPont Bloodline
5. The Freeman Bloodline
6. The Kennedy Bloodline
7. The Li Bloodline
8. The Onassis Bloodline
9. The Reynolds Bloodline
10. The Rockefeller Bloodline
11. The Rothschild Bloodline
12. The Russell Bloodline
13. The Van Duyn Bloodline
14. Merovingian (European Royal Families)

Interconnected families

The Disney Bloodline
The Krupp Bloodline
The McDonald Bloodline

Springmeier, Fritz (2003). The 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/
http://www.whale.to/b/sp/blood.html

Dr Michael Sunstar/Dr Robin Loxly. The Satanic Illuminati Bloodlines. Studying the families of global power.
http://archive.org/stream/SatanicIlluminatiBloodlines#page/n0/mode/2up
http://archive.org/stream/SatanicIlluminatiBloodlines/SatanicIlluminatiBloodlines_djvu.txt
http://archive.org/download/SatanicIlluminatiBloodlines/SatanicIlluminatiBloodlines.pdf

Freethought



"Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, or other dogmas. The cognitive application of freethought is known as "freethinking", and practitioners of freethought are known as "freethinkers"."

"freethinkers hold that there is insufficient evidence to support the existence of supernatural phenomena"


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought)


Johann Adam Weishaupt

Weishaupt was initiated into the Masonic Lodge "Theodor zum guten Rath", at Munich in 1777.

(7 - 1 = 6) + (7 - 1 = 6) + (7 - 1 = 6) = 666

Officially Disbanded

Through the efforts of French Freemasons and due to encouragement in several letters from George Washington, the Illuminati were officially disbanded in 1785.

1785 = 7 + (8+5+1 = 14/2 = 7) = 777

Maximilien de Robespierre

Freemasons broke off all ties and connection with as well as recognition of the group. However, it was common belief that the Illuminati did not stop actions there, but rather the exiled members of the Illuminati went on to cause several key factors that eventually spurred on the French Revolution. Accusers of this theory, which included George Washington implicated Maximilien de Robespierre as being the remaining ringleader of the Illuminati.



"Robespierre became increasingly popular for his attacks on the monarchy and his advocacy of democratic reforms. "

"In April 1790, was elected president of the powerful Jacobin political club. After the downfall of the monarchy in August 1792, Robespierre was elected first deputy for Paris to the National Convention. The convention abolished the monarchy, declared France a republic and put the king on trial for treason, all measures strongly supported by Robespierre. The king was executed in January 1793."


(BBC, 2013)




"In the period after the king's execution, tensions in the convention resulted in a power struggle between the Jacobins and the more moderate Girondins. The Jacobins used the power of the mob to take control and the Girondin leaders were arrested. Control of the country passed to the Committee of Public Safety, of which Robespierre was a member. He rapidly became the dominant force on the committee."


(BBC, 2013)




"In the period after the king's execution, tensions in the convention resulted in a power struggle between the Jacobins and the more moderate Girondins. The Jacobins used the power of the mob to take control and the Girondin leaders were arrested. Control of the country passed to the Committee of Public Safety, of which Robespierre was a member. He rapidly became the dominant force on the committee."


(BBC, 2013)




"Against a backdrop of the threat of foreign invasion and increasing disorder in the country, the committee began the 'Reign of Terror', ruthlessly eliminating all those considered enemies of the revolution. These included leading revolutionary figures such as Georges Danton."


(BBC, 2013)




"In May 1794, Robespierre insisted that the National Convention proclaim a new official religion for France - the cult of the Supreme Being. This was based on the thinking of the philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau of whom Robespierre was a passionate advocate."


(BBC, 2013)




"The intensification of the 'Reign of Terror' and Robespierre's autocracy made him increasingly unpopular. French military successes served to undermine the justification for such ruthlessness and a conspiracy was formed to overthrow Robespierre. On 27 July 1794, he was arrested after a struggle. The following day Robespierre, wounded from a bullet to the jaw, and 21 of his closest supporters were executed at the guillotine."


(BBC, 2013)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/robespierre_maximilien.shtml

United States Illuminati



TO G. W. SNYDER.1

Mount Vernon, 24 October, 1798.

Reverend Sir,

I have your favor of the 17th instant before me, and my only motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter is, to explain and correct a mistake, which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged often to write letters have led you into.

It was not my intention to doubt, that the doctrines of the Illuminati and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey was, that I did not believe that the lodges of freemasons in this country had, as societies, endeavored to propagate the diabolical tenets of the former, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects, and actually had a separation of the people from their government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

My occupations are such, that little leisure is allowed me to read newspapers or books of any kind. The reading of letters and preparing answers absorb much of my time. With respect, I remain, Sir, &c.


(Washington, 1798)


George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, Volume 14, 1798-1799, New York, G. P. Putmans Sons, 1893, p. 119

The Writings of George Washington, collected and edited by Worthington Chauncey Ford (New York and London: G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1890). Vol. XIV (1798-1799).
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=2418&layout=html



"In the United States and England, fear of the Illuminati gripped the public and even caused distrust of the Freemasons (who had long been revered and trusted in those societies), because of their supposed connection. People not familiar with the organizations began not to see the distinction between the Freemason's actions during the American Revolution and the Illuminati's actions during the French Revolution. While from the outside there are similarities and the organizations could be defined as cousins -- even siblings -- it is clear that the true distinction is both in the goals and means."


(Done, 2013)




"Daniel is the Senior Warden of Queen Anne Lodge. He leads the communications committee and manages the blog, emails, and website. Daniel blogs about the history and meaning of Freemasonry, the etymology and historical development of the craft and its influencers including enlightenment cultures from around the world. Passionate about research and finding an interesting yet scholarly perspective, he aims to apply modern relevancy to history and contextualizing it in ways that people can understand."


(http://www.queenannemasoniclodge.com/)


Source: http://www.queenannemasoniclodge.com/freemasonry-in-general/­illuminati/
Backup: https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1367361581625.pdf

Queen Elizabeth



"The Queen is not only the Grand Patroness of Freemasonry, but heads the Order of the Garter. The Order of the Garter is the parent organization over Free Masonry, worldwide. When a Mason reaches the 33rd degree, he swears allegiance to that organization, and thereby to the Queen. According to researcher Dr. John Coleman, who interviewed a Grand Master at Oxford, the Knights of the Garter are the inner-sanctum, the elite of the elite of Her Majesty's Most Venerable Order of St. John of Jerusalem. The Knights of the Order of the Garter are the leaders of the Illuminati hierarchy, and Queen Elizabeth II's most trusted "Privy Council"."


(Livingstone, 2013)


Livingstone, David (2013). The Round Table. The Crown.
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/round-table

Order of the Garter



"Membership in the Order is strictly limited and includes the monarch, the Prince of Wales, not more than 24 companion members, and various supernumerary members. The monarch alone can grant membership. He or she is known as the Sovereign of the Garter, and the Prince of Wales is known as a Knight Companion of the Garter."


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Garter)


Bohemian Grove - Cell of Order of Illuminati

Prince Philip, Tony Blair and Queen Elizabeth all attended Bohemian Grove which was at the center of child rape, murder and necrophilia in the 80's. To add to this Cathy O'Brien was witness to murder rape & necrophilia at the Grove.

Pedophile Protector David Cameron and War Criminal Tony Blair are cousins of Queen Elizabeth, Prince Charles, Prince Harry and Prince William.

Prince Philip & Tony Blair at Bohemian Grove

Prince Philip at Bohemian Grove photograph.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=5280


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Queen Elizabeth at Bohemian Grove



"In January 1983 the Queen (Elizabeth II) and her consort toured the United States. There seemed to be no apparent reason for her visit other than the honor bestowed on her by the Bohemian Club of California during the last evening of her stay. It was quite an extravaganza. The Bohemian Club is the West Coast center for the inner elite of Templar Scottish Rite Freemasonry in the United States. Some of its members are Senator Alan Cranston, FBI Director William Webster and former secretaries of state George Schultz and Henry Kissinger. On February 3, 1983, a five-minute segment of the Bohemian Club's extravaganza in honor of Queen Elizabeth was aired on all three television networks. The event began with a view of the Queen sitting slightly high in the middle of the auditorium, as if on top of a pyramid. Two dancers entered the stage wearing huge hats hanging from cables. The cone of the first hat was representative of a walled city with a pyramid or ziggurat towering in the middle. Obviously, it portrayed ancient Babylon. At the base of the pyramid two doors continuously flapped open and shut displaying inside a large picture of Prince Charles, successor to the British throne, and his wife, Princess Diana. As the dancer in the hat moved stage right, the second dancer entered from stage left. The cone on the second hat portrayed the city of London, with Big Ben towering in the center. When both dancers centered themselves, with the brims of the huge hats reaching from one end of the stage to the other, a voice bellowed, "Oh Queen, you have traversed the ages from Babylon to London!" Ever so slightly and without a smile, Queen Elizabeth nodded as if in agreement to the statement. That night the Bohemian Club, an arm of Templar Scottish Rite Freemasonry, acknowledged London as the seat of Mystery Babylon. Queen Elizabeth accepted that acknowledgment. If London is the city that the Apostle John saw in his vision, Queen Elizabeth's life and nation will be short-lived if Jesus Christ does not tarry --- for who knows better the headquarters of its rival than the ruthless French Knights Templar Scottish Rite of Freemasonry...."


(Texas, 1994)


Excerpt from 'Scarlet & the Beast volume II: The War between English & French Freemasonry' by John Daniel, JKI Publishing, Tyler Texas 1994, pages 25-6.

Cathy O'Brien at Bohemian Grove



"My purpose at the Grove was sexual in nature, and therefore my perceptions were limited to a sex slave's viewpoint. As an effective means of control to ensure undetected proliferation of their perverse indulgences, slaves such as myself were subjected to ritualistic trauma. I knew each breath I took could be my last, as the threat of death lurked in every shadow. Slaves of advancing age or with failing programming were sacrificially murdered "at random" in the wooded grounds of Bohemian Grove, and I felt it was "simply a matter of time until it would be me". Rituals were held at a giant, concrete owl monument on the banks of, ironically enough, the Russian (rushin') River. These occultist sex rituals stemmed from the scientific belief that mind-controlled slaves required severe trauma to ensure compartmentalization of the memory, and not from any spiritual motivation.

My own threat of death was instilled when I witnessed the sacrificial death of a young, dark-haired victim at which time I was instructed to perform sexually "as though my life depended upon it". I was told, "...the next sacrifice victim could be you. Anytime when you least expect it, the owl will consume you. Prepare yourself, and stay prepared." Being "prepared" equated to being totally suggestible, i.e., "on my toes" awaiting their command.

The club offered a "Necrophilia" theme room to its members. I was so heavily drugged and programmed when used in the "necrophilia" room.

My necrophilia room experience was only for the purpose of providing Dante a compromising film of a targeted member anyway."


(O'Brien, 1995)


Trance Formation of America: The True Life Story of a CIA Mind Control Slave 1995 by Cathy O'Brien with Mark Phillips.

Paul Bonacci at Bohemian Grove

David Shurter at Bohemian Grove

Peter Alexander Chernoff at Bohemian Grove


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Forensic Psychiatrist Michael Stone - Scale of Evil

Check out the video below to see the types of people who are part of our society, Forensic Psychiatrist Michael Stone of Columbia University scale of evil, profiles on various murderers, serial killers, mass murderers and psychopaths.



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Those who have killed in self-defense, and who do not show traces of psychopathy.

02

Jealous lovers who committed murder; although egocentric or immature, they are not psychopaths.

03

Willing companions of killers: aberrant personality, impulse-ridden, with some antisocial traits.

04

Those who have killed in self-defense, but had been extremely provocative toward the victim for that to happen.

05

Traumatized, desperate persons who killed abusive relatives or other people, but who show remorse for their crime and are not psychopaths.

06

Impetuous, hotheaded murderers, yet without marked psychopathic traits.

07

Highly narcissistic, but not distinctly psychopathic persons—some with a psychotic core—who kill persons next to them, with jealousy as an underlying motive.

08

Non-psychopathic persons with smoldering rage, and who kill when the rage is ignited.

09

Jealous lovers with marked psychopathic features.

10

Killers of people "in the way", such as witnesses. Extremely egocentric, but not distinctly psychopathic.

11

Psychopathic killers of people "in the way", such as close friends or even family members.

12

Power-hungry psychopaths who kill when they are "cornered".

13

Psychopathic murderers with inadequate, rageful personalities, rage being the reason of their killings.

14

Ruthlessly self-centered psychopathic schemers who kill to benefit themselves.

15

Psychopathic cold-blooded spree killers or multiple murderers.

16

Psychopaths committing multiple vicious acts, with repeated acts of extreme violence.

17

Sexually perverse serial murderers: Rape is the primary motive and the victim is killed to hide evidence.

18

Psychopathic torture-murderers, where murder is the primary motive, and the victim is killed after a torture that was not prolonged.

19

Psychopaths driven to terrorism, subjugation, intimidation, and rape, short of murder or murder is not the primary motive.

20

Psychopathic torture-murderers, where torture is the primary motive, but in persons with distinct psychoses (such as schizophrenia).

21

Psychopaths who do not kill their victims, but do subject them to extreme torture.

22

Psychopathic torture-murderers, where torture is the primary motive. In most cases, the crime has a sexual motivating factor.

Structure of the Illuminati


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Illuminati as a Philosophy



1. They believe they are by right exclusively entitled to enlightenment.
2. They engineer a new world order at which they are at the center of power.
3. They believe that the ends justify the means.


(http://www.queenannemasoniclodge.com/freemasonry-in-general/­illuminati/)


Knights Templar



"According to MAJESTYTWELVE the Knights Templar have become the driving influence at the highest levels of all the secret societies among the adepts known as the Illuminati. The most accessible font of their influence will be found in the (Cecil Rhodes) Roundtable Group (The Group), The Royal Institute Of International Affairs, the Church of Saint John the Divine in New York City, the Council On Foreign Relations, the Jason Society, the Skull and Bones Society (Russell Trust), the Scroll and Key Fraternity, the highest Degrees of the York and Scottish Rites of Freemasonry, the Ancient Order of Rosae Crucae, and many other secret societies which collectively make up the modern equivalent of the "Brotherhood of the Snake" also known as (a.k.a.) the "Guardians," the "Builders," the "Philosophers of Fire," or the "Illuminati"."


(http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm)


Advanced Description: https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1367013238255.txt
Backup: https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1367013216521.pdf

Brotherhood of the Snake




Through fire and ice.
Through famine and disaster.
We serve the serpent, our one, true master.

We conspire by day, advance by night.
No human being shall evade our might.

The sun grants us eternal wisdom, as the dawn of a new day awaits our kingdom.

Through human plight we always rise.
We protect our home with all-knowing eyes.
All we create and all you destroy, commands the influence we will employ.

The sun grants us eternal wisdom, as the dawn of a new day awaits our kingdom.

One who surpasses all personal fears,
allows higher levels of consciousness to appear.
Emotion and ego stand in the way to spiritual progression each day.

The moon provides us with eternal life for the new order of the ages.

To prey on the weakness of their unquestioning faith,
all emotions must be replaced.
To serve the serpent is to bask in domination.
We welcome the creator in all manifestations.

The moon provides us with eternal life for the new order of the ages.

Secure beneath our watchful eyes, the human race embraces our guise.
Through force, through influence we impose our will,
as we master the sacred power of Vril.

The Vril provides us with eternal power for the new order of the ages.
To the Vril we give ourselves. Our body and our soul
To the Vril we sacrifice our flesh and our blood.
To the Vril we deliver chaos so that we may be reborn.

We make war. We make peace. But everything one day will cease.

There is one power that destiny cannot overtake.

We are the Brotherhood of the Snake.

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The Georgia Guidestones




1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2.Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
4.Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones)


Skull & Bones - Russell Trust - Cell of Order of Illuminati

General William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft founded the Order of Skull & Bones in 1832 - 1833 after Russell returned from studies in Germany. The Russell family's business - Russell & Co. - was the premier American opium shipper and the third largest in the world. In the 1830s, opium became the world's largest commercial commodity, and the maneuverability and speed of the American clipper ships laid foundations of great wealth with the smuggling of opium into China. Many of the fortunate sons of Russell & Co. families were sent to Yale and were "tapped" into the Order of Skull & Bones.

Source: http://www.oilempire.us/skullbones.html

William Huntington Russell (12 August 1809 -- 19 May 1885) was an American businessman, educator, and politician. He was the founder of the Yale University secret society Skull and Bones. He was a descendant of several old New England families, including those of Pierpont, Hooker, Willett, Bingham, and Russell. His ancestor Rev. Noadiah Russell was a founder and original trustee of Yale College.

William Huntington Russell, Co-Founder of Skull and Bones, Founder of Collegiate and Commercial Institute, New Haven, Connecticut; Connecticut Legislator (1846-7); Major General, Connecticut National Guard (1862--70)
Born August 12, 1809
Middletown, Connecticut
Died May 19, 1885 (aged 75)
New Haven, Connecticut
Cause of death Aneurysm
Resting place Grove Street Cemetery
41°18′44.532″N 72°55′33.6″W
Nationality American
Alma mater
A.L.S. & M. Academy
Yale College
Occupation
Businessman
Educator
Politician
Known for Co-founder of Yale secret society Skull & Bones
Religion Protestant Christian
Denomination Congregationalist
Spouse(s) Mary E. Hubbard
Children
Frances Harriet Russell
Talcott Huntington Russell
Philip Gray Russell
Edward Hubbard Russell
Parents
Matthew Talcott Russell
Mary Huntington Russell
Relatives Rev. Noadiah Russell

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huntington_Russell

Main Families in Skull & Bones

(A) Whitney Family (1635, Watertown, Mass.)
(B) Perkins Family (1631, Boston, Mass.)
(C) Phelps Family (1630, Dorchester, Mass.)
(D) Bundy Family (1635, Boston, Mass.)
(E) Taft Family (1679, Braintree, Mass.)
(F) Wadsworth Family (1632, Newton, Mass.)
(G) Lord Family (1635, Cambridge, Mass.)
(H) Gilman Family (1638, Hingham, Mass.)
(I) Harriman Family (Railroads)
(J) Rockefeller Family (Standard Oil)
(K) Payne Family (Standard Oil)
(L) Davison Family (J.P. Morgan)
(M) Weyerhaeuser Family (Lumber)
(N) Pillsbury Family (Flour Milling)
(O) Sloane Family (Retail)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol­_skullbones04.htm

Professor Antony Cyril Sutton (February 14, 1925 -- June 17, 2002) was a British-born economist, historian, and writer.
http://www.antonysutton.com/

Skull & Bones members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_member­s

Skull & Bones book of members
https://anonfiles.com/file/cdf7bac6f554aad029455c612aadb581
https://anonfiles.com/file/90580f4790f9ee47db145dbbbe2216e5
https://anonfiles.com/file/56f3b67788e451c467b971a45a97389f
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Skull & Bones
http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm

The Russell Bloodline
http://www.whale.to/b/sp/russell.html

William H Kennedy - Skull & Bones
http://www.williamhkennedy.com/articles/satanism.html#SKULL

The Russell Bloodline
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_russell_b­loodline.htm

Professor Antony Sutton - The Order of Skull and Bones - New World Order


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Charlotte Iserbyt - Skull and Bones, The Order at Yale Revealed (Full)


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Skull & Bones Playlist

29 videos 23 hours

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAlZCDKJqi6wZe53Tb3XqmiezvFBVkGb7


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Steganography



"Steganography is the art and science of writing hidden messages in such a way that no one, apart from the sender and intended recipient, suspects the existence of the message, a form of security through obscurity."


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography)






"the practice of concealing messages or information within other non-secret text or data."

(Oxford dictionary, 2013)



Cryptography



"Cryptography (or cryptology; from Greek κρυπτός, "hidden, secret"; and γράφειν, graphein, "writing", or -λογία, -logia, "study", respectively) is the practice and study of techniques for secure communication in the presence of third parties (called adversaries)."


(Rivest, 1990)





"the art of writing or solving codes."

(Oxford dictionary, 2013)



Rivest, Ronald L. (1990). "Cryptology". In J. Van Leeuwen. Handbook of Theoretical Computer Science 1. Elsevier.

Numerology





"Numerology is any [B]study of the purported divine, mystical or other special relationship between a number and some coinciding observed (or perceived) events."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology)







"the branch of knowledge that deals with the occult significance of numbers."

(Oxford dictionary, 2013)



Numerology & 7/7

The 7 July 2005 London bombings ( 77 + ( (2005) = 2+5 = 7 ) ) = 777



This sign indicates that a lesson has been learned. It is a sign of acknowledgment and achievement - You have learned a lesson that your Spirit Guides want you to learn about your life.


Judaism & 777



The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition.


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_(number))


Orthodox Church & 777



According to the American publication, the Orthodox Study Bible, 777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity.


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_(number))


Thelema & 777



777 is also found in the title of the book 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley pertaining to the law of thelema.


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_(number))




"Thelema (/θəˈliːmə/; Koine Greek: [θélima]) is a religion that was developed by the early 20th century British writer and ceremonial magician, Aleister Crowley."


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema)




He came to believe himself to be the prophet of a new age, the Æon of Horus, based upon a spiritual experience that he and his wife, Rose Edith, had in Egypt in 1904. By his account, a possibly non-corporeal or "praeterhuman" being that called itself Aiwass contacted him and dictated a text known as The Book of the Law or Liber AL vel Legis, which outlined the principles of Thelema. An adherent of Thelema is a Thelemite.


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema)




"The Thelemic pantheon includes a number of deities focusing primarily on a trinity of deities adapted from ancient Egyptian religion, who are the three speakers of The Book of the Law: Nuit, Hadit and Ra-Hoor-Khuit. The religion is founded upon the idea that the 20th century marked the beginning of the Aeon of Horus, in which a new ethical code would be followed; "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law". This statement indicates that adherents, who are known as Thelemites, should seek out and follow their own true path in life, known as their True Will rather than their egoic desires. The philosophy also emphasizes the ritual practice of Magick."


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema)



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"...Jake whispers,, (We are on a new planet, exploring and learning about ourselves... who we are, and where we came from!!)"

(Jake, 2013)


I don't condone Charles Manson but quoting Manson;




"Everything we have to do to get to the truth has to be sneaky, it seems a shame to sneak to get to the truth.
To make the truth such an evil dirty old nasty thing, you got to sneak to get to the truth, the truth is condemned."

"Everything is sneaky up around Sneaky Ville."

(Manson)





"I think so too, but I believe it's an inner search, something that shouldn't be influenced by self proclaimed ET rescuers."

(wobbegong, 2013)


But I can't start my search inner until I know the truth reality outer...I will always be searching for the truth because, I don't condone Charles Manson but quoting Manson;




"Everything we have to do to get to the truth has to be sneaky, it seems a shame to sneak to get to the truth.
To make the truth such an evil dirty old nasty thing, you got to sneak to get to the truth, the truth is condemned."

"Everything is sneaky up around Sneaky Ville."

(Manson)




"They put a picture of Old George on the dollar and tell you that he is your father, worship him. Look at the madness that goes on, you can’t prove anything that happened yesterday. Now, the only thing that’s real. You can try to prove that Columbus sail on an ocean. But it’s not the same ocean, it’s a different ocean, it’s a different world. Everyday, every reality is a new reality, every new reality is a new horizon, a brand new experience of living"


(Manson)




"Every man judges himself, he knows what he is, you know what you are, as I know what I am, we all know what we are, nobody can stand in judgment, they can play like they are standing in judgment, then take you off and control the masses with your human body"


(Manson)




"They can lock you up in the penitentiaries, and cages, and put you on crosses like they did in the past, but it doesn’t amount to anything, what they’re doing is, they’re only persecuting a reflection of themselves, they’re persecuting what they can’t stand to look at in themselves, the truth, they cant stand to look at the truth in themselves, they persecute themselves, they are butchering themselves every time they go on the freeway, they hate themselves. Look at the signs, “Stop”, “Go”, “Turn here”, “Turn there”, “You cant do this”, “You cant do that”, “You cant, you cant, you cant”, “This is illegal”, “That’s illegal”, “Everything’s illegal”."



(Manson)




"The priest used to watch over the people, now they are watching the people. The president does not represent the people, he should be on the roadside picking up his children, but he isn’t, he is in the white house, sending them off to war, and you’re saying I have to pay for this again? and again and again. I’ve got to pay for your sins, how many times have I got to pay for your sins? I’m getting tired, I’m getting tired"


(Manson)




"They are sneaking in the county jail, looking under the door to see if the man is there, sneaking like little children out of town, sneaking. Sneaking all around the courthouse sneaking in and out of the ventilators, sneaking everywhere."


(Manson)



:cheer2:

[xthesurge0nx]

Why does it have to be about being rescued, can we not just be nice people and want to interact with the visitors, we are not a bad species, just the propaganda on the news want you to believe this. "Some" people are born bad, the Bible even though I'm not personally religious says that God was disappointed in man and wished he had not created man...but then how can I believe in half a story, when the other half of the story is in the hands of man...I just want to know the truth about who we are and where we came from...if that means getting the information from elsewhere then so be it...if that makes sense...

[Atlas]

Xthesurge0nx wrote:
people don't seem to see, the animals think. Have you ever sat and watched a coloney of birds interact, communicate, maintain order as well as rank and file, feed, give birth etc etc...there's thought behind their eyes, like we think before we speak...they have a mind...just like u

Well said.

we created ladder, girafo had neck;
we created airplane, bird had wings;
we created pushchair, kangaroo had its own too.

[xthesurge0nx]

"We created ladder, girafo had neck; we created airplane, bird had wings; we created pushchair, kangaroo had its own too."

(buares, 2013)




Yeah the pushchair...the greatest invention man made himself without ET intervention only female intervention!!!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Spiral Comparing Human Abduction to what we do with animals is not helpful, and is really quite insulting to abductees, as they do not have the higher cognitive functions and abilities, nor do they have the same abilities re energies either.

I must respectfully and strongly disagree. Animals and plants are much higher on the evolutionary scale than we are. Much much past us in fact.

How many Aloe Vera plants have you seen lately drop bombs on their own species for a pool of oil ? not many i would immagine... How many pakcs of wild dogs have you seen cornering innocent kittens to milk them for their children ? not many ...

sorry to soubnd strong in my words but please take another look at nature and see how absolutely astounding it is in its intelligence and majesty : 0)


Naniu

[Atlas]

Planet Earth reminds us: in her world, nothing is all black and nothing is all white, it's a mix of light and darkness. I always wondered how could mind prevail over matter?

The first post of this thread asks if abductions by ETs are related to mind, body or both. Concerning BODY abductions, I'd like to believe there's no evil intentions but this the mount Ortoten case shows the contrary.

I remember reading somewhere the ETs confess there have been human deaths because of their presence but they were not responsible for it, our military were to blame.

Now concerning MIND abductions by ETs, you need to answer the Jinn case first:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a38VhHARVc
Rosemary Ellen Guiley : this time the ET situation we face today is explained as Terrestrial DJINN. (IUFOC 2013)

I'm not sure why the ETs are abducting humans but I blame them for not giving the farmer whose cow was abducted and killed at least a compensation for the financial loss. They should know gold is hard to dig...

[xthesurge0nx]

Name: Butch Witkowski
Job Description: Homicide Detective
Subject matter: UFOs and Human Mutilations

Brief Description: Homicide Detective Butch Witkowski discusses the case of Todd Sees in 2002, a case of UFOs and Human Mutilations.


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Butch Witkowski, Homicide Detective

According to research carried out by Witkowski (2009) 250,000 people go missing per annum in the United States of America. On a global scale 2.5-2.7 million people go missing per year, 95% of the people missing are found, 70% of which are missing children. Witkowski (2009) claims that some of the reasons for people going missing include spouse abuse, cheating and murder. Out of the 2.5-2.7 million people world wide that go missing 30,000 are never found as if they have disappeared from the face of the Earth, man, woman and child.

Pennsylvania 2002 - Day 1

On Sunday 4th August 2002, a 39 year old white male by the name Todd Sees disappeared in Pennsylvania.

Sees lived at the base of Montour Ridge in Northumberland County near the town of Northumberland, Pennsylvania.

On the morning of the 4th Sees got up early, got dressed in his boots, camouflage vest, hat, socks, pants, jumped on his ATV and decided to go to Montour Ridge to spot early season deer on a portion of his 80-acre property. Before leaving Sees told his wife Sue Sees he would be back by noon, he rode his ATV up the power lines behind his home just after 5:00am (Davenport, 2002; Moore, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

At 5:30 a.m. a farmer and 3 fisherman on the Susquehanna river spotted a craft on the western end of Montour Ridge hovering above the power lines. The farmer said the craft appeared out of nowhere, he could see sparks coming from the tower and falling to the ground. The incident lasted around 10 minutes before the craft got very bright and took off in a western direction, the craft stopped and went straight up before disappearing in seconds. The farmer claims the horses on his farm were spooked for around 12 hours after the incident (Davenport, 2002).

Noon came and went, at 12:30 p.m. Nick Sees, Todd Sees's 18 year old son found his fathers ATV on the west end of Montour Ridge two miles from the family home (Moore, 2002).

At around 2:00 p.m. Sees's wife Sue contacted the Point Township police department, at 2:30 p.m. Northumberland Borough Fire Chief Josh Newbury received a call from Sue Sees and a search immediately followed. Local police, state police, paramedics, approximately 200 volunteers, bloodhounds and search/rescue dogs worked together to try and locate Mr Sees (Davenport, 2002; Moore, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

Before the search could commence, one group of searchers had to wait several hours for 3 tracking dogs from Northstar Search and Rescue of Selingrove, once the dogs arrived James Shaffer and the search team were sent into heavy woodland to try and pick up Todd Sees's scent (Moore, 2002).

By 6 p.m. a state police helicopter from Hazelton had flown over Montour Ridge looking for Todd Sees, around the same time Geise was requesting bloodhounds be brought in to assist the search/rescue dogs (Moore, 2002).

At about 7:45 p.m. the bloodhound was on the scene and Geise decided he had to send 25 volunteers out on foot to begin a sweep of the 6 square mile search area (Moore, 2002).

The search team located Sees's ATV previously found by Nick Sees 2 miles from his home at the top of Montour Ridge near a power line but search/rescue dogs could find nothing to go on around the ATV.

Searchers found one of Sees's shoes approximately 78 feet in the air in a tree 1 mile away from the ATV. Divers searched his pond which is located 25 yards from his house and found nothing (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

At 10pm the search was called off for the night and started again the following morning. Search coordinator Point Township Fire Chief Leon Geise said six teams with K-9 dogs planned to resume the search at 6 a.m. Monday 5h August, 2002 (Davenport, 2002; Moore, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

Pennsylvania 2002 - Day 2

On Monday 5th August 2002, later in the afternoon in a thicket of bushes between 25-150 yards away from Todd Sees home near the pond one of the searchers sees something white in a heavily wooded area overgrown with bushes. Firemen start digging into the bushes and have to cut into it with axes and power tools (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

They find Sees in his underwear, he is pale white and emaciated (extremely thin), had he been dead for 24-36 hours, the coroner said he should have been bloated (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

There was no liver mortise, no rigamortis, nothing but a few scratches from the bramble bushes he was entangled in (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

Three feet away from Sees was a dead rattle snake, with the same time of death, Sees was not bitten by the rattle snake (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

The body was described by people at the scene as having his arms bent as if in the lower end of a press up, hands flat near his head, he had a look of horror on his face. Sees also had a one and a half inch burn mark on his left temple (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

The search team and dogs had been scouring the site for 30+ hours and no one had seen anything in that area (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

Chief Gary Steffen, Chief of Police for the Point Township police department identified the body on scene since he was personally acquainted with the victim therefore the family were never asked to verify the body (Davenport, 2002).

Within 30 minutes of Sees's body being found the FBI arrive on scene and take charge of the investigation (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

The F.B.I. told police and rescue workers to “not to tell people anything” (Davenport, 2002).

FBI questioned people in the area, three farmers on one farm two miles away from Sees's residents, said they saw what they believed to be a tube shaped bright object above the tree line and power line, it was silent, it did not move for about 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up...and suddenly stopped, a beam come from the craft and something was being lifted into it. They could not explain what it was. The craft then went straight up, hesitated, then went west over the Susquehanna River before disappearing out of site (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

The body was removed without a coroner on the scene, Pennsylvania law requires if a body is found, as an example with the head laying in a separate location from the body, a police officer cannot pronounce you dead, a coroner is required (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

The body was removed to Fort Indiantown Gap, FBI stopped anyone from the family viewing the body and no one was aloud to view the body before it was interred (Davenport, 2002; Witkowski, 2009).

Point town ship has about a six man police department, their statement after the event was that Todd Sees's information on how he died would be forthcoming in about 6-8 weeks when the family could have Sees's body back, toxicology had to take place, they wanted to know what was in the blood, what happened, was there any foul play which they ruled out (Witkowski, 2009).

Davenport (2002) claims a police officer said after 2 autopsies, nothing was found. A toxicology test revealed nothing. No visible cuts or bruises anywhere except from the bramble bush. The body would be moved from Allentown, to the National Guard Training Center, Fort Indiantown Gap, Pennsylvania. The police officer noticed military helicopters scouring the mountain ever since Sees was found at least once a day. Moore (2002) states that an autopsy failed to conclude a cause of death. Moore (2002) also states Northumberland County Coroner James Kelley said the autopsy revealed Sees had been dead between 24 hours to 36 hours, but found no signs of trauma or of coronary disease.

7 ½ weeks later the toxicology report came back, which claimed Todd Sees died of a coc aine overdose (Witkowski, 2009).

Witkowski (2009) states he has seen a lot of coc aine over doses but has never seen one where a guy threw his shoe up in a tree, no footprints around his vehicle, and there was always a coroner on scene.

With the events just mentioned in mind, Witkowski (2009) tried a Freedom of Information Request to the police department, he was told it is still an open case. Witkowski (2009) then asked the question “why did they say Todd died of a coc aine overdose? “, “Is that the cause of death?”, “Yes” the policeman replied. Witkowski (2009) then said “if that is the cause of death then that is case closed”, “No it isn’t“ replied the police officer. Witkowski (2009) was then threatened with harassment charges for asking questions.

Witkowski (2009) does not believe Sees died of a coc aine overdose, he states “coc aine overdose does not leave a burn on your temple, coc aine overdose does not make you disappear for 36-40 hours, I find it hard to believe 200 searchers with dogs and cadaver dogs walked passed this body for two days and didn't see it”.

Davenport, Peter, (2002). Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported.
National UFO Reporting Center. United States of America.
http://www.nuforc.org/CB020824.html
Accessed 08/01/2013

Davenport, Peter, (2002). Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported.
National UFO Reporting Center. United States of America.
http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm
Accessed 08/01/2013

Moore, Marcia, (2002).
The Daily Item newspaper, Northumberland County, Pennsylvania. United States of America.
http://www.nuforc.org/CB020824.html
Accessed 08/01/2013

Witkowski, Butch, (2013). Butch Witkowski.
Benchmark Investigative Group Inc. United States of America.
http://www.ozufo.net/speakers-butch-witkowski.html
Accessed 08/01/2013

Witkowski, Butch, (2009). Butch Witkowski.
Pennsylvania MUFON conference. United States of America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afoaRvjypN0
Accessed 08/01/2013

[xthesurge0nx]

Name: Chris Everard
Job Description: Film maker
Subject matter: Extraterrestrials, Human contact through spirituality

Brief Description:


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Name: Chris Everard
Job Description: Film maker
Subject matter: Illuminati

Brief Description: Order of Illuminati II - The Antichrist Conspiracy


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Name: Chris Everard
Job Description: Film maker
Subject matter: Illuminati

Brief Description: Order of Illuminati III - Murdered by The Monarchs


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[Atlas]

Barbara Lamb : people that have experienced friendly/learning experiences are some times followed up with secondary, terrifying Military/ET abductions afterward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY2N1ZTQBgk
I noticed her description of the reptilians abductions concurs 100% with the Jinns scenario by the way.

[xthesurge0nx]

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WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF MUTILATED HUMAN 18+

For use in comparison with animal mutilations



Human Mutilation - http://www.think-aboutit.com/images/mute3.jpg

Human Mutilation - http://www.think-aboutit.com/images/mute4.jpg

Human Mutilation - http://www.think-aboutit.com/images/mute5.jpg

Human Mutilation - http://www.think-aboutit.com/images/mute7.jpg


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Autopsy Report - http://www.alienvideo.net/0805/img/alien-mutilation/abduction-mutilation-autopsy-report.pdf

Hybrid, (2012). The Most Disturbing Case of Alien Abduction Ever.
Alien Video. United States of America.
http://www.alienvideo.net/0805/alien-abduction-mutilation.php
Accessed 09/01/2013

Ecker, Don, (). The Human Mutilation Factor.
Think About It Enterprises. United States of America.
http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilations/Human_Mutilations.htm
Accessed 09/01/2013

Lyster, Karen, (2000). UFO RESOURCE CENTER HUMAN MUTILATION PHOTOGRAPHS FROM BRAZIL.
UFO Resource Center. United States of America.
http://uforc.com/mutes/zine-UFORCE_page75.html
Accessed 09/01/2013

Schellhorn, G. Cope, (). UFO-Related Homicide in Brazil: The Complete Story [from International UFO Magazine]
Think About It Enterprises. United States of America.
http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilations/Human_Mutilations.htm
Accessed 09/01/2013

Swartz, Tim, (1997). Are UFOs responsible for mysterious human mutilations?
Think About It Enterprises. United States of America.
http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilations/Human_Mutilations.htm
Accessed 09/01/2013

[xthesurge0nx]

Name: Linda Moulton Howe
Job Description: Investigative journalist and documentary producer
Subject matter: Cattle Mutilation

Brief Description: Cattle Mutilation


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WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF MUTILATED ANIMALS 18+

For use in comparison with human mutilations

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tlidr95gRew/TP07jJemrSI/AAAAAAAABh8/0sT2Ns4ONsU/s320/Argentina%2Bcattle%2Bmutilation%2B2010.JPG

http://api.ning.com/files/GQiSZKPZHixSHiVuMBnupMWHTTn4zxbgOU76TQCDIshEug8-AYHyWz7N55239qZjGMoyzQU7uf96kfz9yVUaaE43siYpGVpb/CattleMutilationCoredrectumNew2.jpg

http://www.spiritarchive.org/uploads/1/2/4/7/12470836/6462_orig.jpg

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[chocolate]

Planet Earth reminds us: in her world, nothing is all black and nothing is all white, it's a mix of light and darkness. I always wondered how could mind prevail over matter?

The first post of this thread asks if abductions by ETs are related to mind, body or both. Concerning BODY abductions, I'd like to believe there's no evil intentions but this the mount Ortoten case shows the contrary.

I remember reading somewhere the ETs confess there have been human deaths because of their presence but they were not responsible for it, our military were to blame.

Now concerning MIND abductions by ETs, you need to answer the Jinn case first:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a38VhHARVc
Rosemary Ellen Guiley : this time the ET situation we face today is explained as Terrestrial DJINN. (IUFOC 2013)

I'm not sure why the ETs are abducting humans but I blame them for not giving the farmer whose cow was abducted and killed at least a compensation for the financial loss. They should know gold is hard to dig...

Thank you, I needed this interview right now.

[wobbegong]

Hi everyone, I just wanted to 'bump" this thread because it received some very valuable info in these last posts, but at the same time it seems like it also got a bit unintentionally "drowned" by it.
I am sorry about the de-activation of ResistETIntervention who, even though the appearance may be 'rough around the edges', is one of the kindest persons I met (we only recently 'Skype-met' thanks to our connection to the same spiritual study group), with a stubborn yet kind heart and a desire to contribute.

Anyway, I am borrowing Bill's list of possibilities to get back to this topic which IMO is critical:


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Here are a few thoughts intended only to move things on a little in terms of possible gains in recognition or understanding.

It seems that there can be various reasons for one finding oneself caught up in something like this:



It's possible that one has given one's consent (at a higher self level or at a previous lives level) -- but does not recall it.



One might be being supported, even though it may not in any way feel like it. (Like a cat or a dog being taken to the vet for reasons it cannot possibly understand. The experience is traumatic, but is actually benevolent.)



One's mind or body might be regarded as a resource that's valuable to or wanted by others in some way. E.g. exceptional psychic abilities, family bloodline, or special DNA in some other sense. In extreme cases, that resource can be used as a 'hard' asset by humans who are the abductors or abusers -- like as a mind-controlled assassin, an intel courier, or (in some extreme cases) a sex slave. Those used in any of these ways might sometimes be 100% unaware of what is or has been going on. It's noteworthy that those involved in these kinds of issues seem to be regarded by their abusers and/or abductors as 'property'.



Concerning ET abductions of women, there is plenty of evidence that some have been used for the breeding of hybrids.



One might simply be being tracked, just as animals in the wild are captured, 'abducted', tagged, and then released without harm. The purpose here might simply be genuine (but dispassionate) research about the human race.



Some abductions are benevolent inasmuch as the abductee is 'shown' possible visions of the future by ETs, but then is made to forget it. The intention seems often to be to 'wake up' the abducted person and motivate them to take proactive action, maybe without even knowing why. The abductees in these cases are often 'drawn' emotionally to others who have had the same experience (maybe even in the same craft, at the same time).



One might be a completely random experimental subject, with the intention being simply to test, improve, and develop the high technology being deployed (by humans in black ops). See Dr John Hall's research for more on this. The randomness of the choice of target makes it particularly hard to detect join-the-dots patterns.


Presently I am having trouble with the first point: "It's possible that one has given one's consent (at a higher self level or at a previous lives level) -- but does not recall it."
This is something that is also found in the 'Handbook for the New Paradigm'. I love those books but this position does not resonate with me.
Assuming it's true, is it fair that those that did have this sort of agreement presently do not 'own' their life due to previous life engagements? It's a bit of a paradox, but in my experience the choice should 'belong' to the present incarnation.
A personal example: I have been studying 'Steps to Knowledge' for 2 and a half years, it promises to reconnect us to our inner knowledge so we find the purpose for having come here and carry out a specific 'assignment' that was decided at a higher level - so, according to this practice (one may agree or disagree with it, it's just my personal experience that I am sharing), on one hand there are decisions taken at a higher level, but on the other hand the choice is ours, it is up to me to accept or reject this assignment in my present incarnation. I chose to accept it and to take the journey to it, but if I were to be forced into it by something beyond me, like an abduction I would see it as an infringement of my present being. Hope it makes sense and would appreciate any comment.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Spiral Comparing Human Abduction to what we do with animals is not helpful, and is really quite insulting to abductees, as they do not have the higher cognitive functions and abilities, nor do they have the same abilities re energies either.

I must respectfully and strongly disagree. Animals and plants are much higher on the evolutionary scale than we are. Much much past us in fact.

How many Aloe Vera plants have you seen lately drop bombs on their own species for a pool of oil ? not many i would immagine... How many pakcs of wild dogs have you seen cornering innocent kittens to milk them for their children ? not many ...

sorry to soubnd strong in my words but please take another look at nature and see how absolutely astounding it is in its intelligence and majesty : 0)


Naniu

I understand where you are coming from in your feelings in this Nanoo, but there are some very large misinterpretations here with regards to these statements, and what is going on here, and what was meant by the original comment.

That plants and animals do not possess violent tendencies does not qualify them as being superior. They are very different forms to us, spiritually and physically, which is far lower (I don’t like to use the word ‘lower) – lesser in grade/refinement on the evolutionary scale. In basic terms they are not infused with the same kind of intelligent energy as we are. Yes they have awareness energy but not the same vital spiritual spark of intelligent consciousness that humans have.

Their energy form is a 1st and 2nd density type, which can be categorized as a simple ‘being-ness’. In simple terms they simple ‘are’, in that they are meant to just ‘be’. They do not ‘do’. They are not in, or of, a ‘doing-ness’ reality/dimension, or that of a ‘knowing-ness’. These attributes are only qualities of a higher density life form like us.

We as humans have this. Our evolutionary dimension - 3rd density - is entirely different to theirs, and way above it, outside of it, beyond it in many ways. We have that intelligent energy, we have a consciousness, and an ego, and an awareness of that consciousness and ego, and we have Duality and free will, a very important point, which they do not, and cannot in their energy-form density.

Animals and plants cannot be rated ‘above’ Humanity simply because they do not possess the inherent potential for violence and negativity that we do. In the spiritual/energetic state they hold they do not have the capacity for this, because they lack duality. They do not have this potential, so obviously there is no violence, or altruism either, because these qualities cannot be expressed in their reality, or by their density. The flaws that we possess are just lessons, evolutionary curves of duality, which we alone uniquely possess, and must work through, with the polarities of free-will.

That is not to say that they are not sovereign beings, or that they are not unique and beautiful in their own ways. They are just a far simpler and smaller form of divine energy expression than we are.

But we are not completely alone/unique in our energy-form on the earth. Dolphins and some whale forms are also of, or near, a similar density to us in their awareness, and in the expression of their energy – in that they have individualized souls. The same could be said for some pets that we keep of the domesticated variety, that, through human contact, have moved (or have the potential to move) into a higher spiritual expression of awareness and individuality.

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IMHO we are more highlY evolved than plant and animal forms. We have the capability to destroy earth as well as help create it. We have the abilities of intelligent design. When we work with nature we can actually make it more productive and abundent. We are the missing link to earths evolution. Withought us the earth would never reach its full potential and true expression of consciousness, creativity, and abundance. Oh Nanoo Nanoo... Your so silly.

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XthesurgeonX I would appreciate it if you didn't post some much stuff. Every time I'm on this page my iPad overloads and shuts down. I couldnt look at anything on the page withought my iPad blacking out every minute. Just way way to much stuff.
I had to go back to page 3 to even post here. I tried three times all of which resulted in blackout because the insane amount of stuff you posted on page 4.
Thanks

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XthesurgeonX I would appreciate it if you didn't post some much stuff. Every time I'm on this page my iPad overloads and shuts down. I couldnt look at anything on the page withought my iPad blacking out every minute. Just way way to much stuff.
I had to go back to page 3 to even post here. I tried three times all of which resulted in blackout because the insane amount of stuff you posted on page 4.
Thanks
One option that might work for you or others coming in from an iPad would be to change the number of posts displayed per page. The default setting displays 20 posts per page. You have the option of displaying 5, 10, 20, 30 or 40 posts per page. There's a good chance your iPad can display 5 xthesurge0nx posts at once, even though it gets overloaded trying to display 20 such posts at once.

To change this setting, go to:

Settings (top of page, near right side)
My Settings ==> My Account ==> General Settings (half way down left side menu)
Thread Display Options ==> Number of Posts to Show Per Page
Choose 5 or 10 from the pull down menu, instead of the Forum Default (which is 20)
Click on "Save Changes" (bottom right).

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Thank you Paul.