Annual flu shot for children?

[Violet]

A study carried out by the Belgian "Knowledge Centre" has shown that the number of deaths among the elderly due to flu could considerably be lessened by having children vaccinated against flu on an annual basis.

Full article: http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006 (http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006)(is Dutch but you can run a quick machine transl.)

[ghostrider]

giving children shots ??? ...the knowledge center seems in need of some knowledge ... the way our world is going , the flu will be the least of the childrens worries ... sorry I'm against taking a flu shot , when I was in the military it was six shots every three weeks, I did get yellow fever that almost killed me ...I left the service , quit having shots, and my health got better ...

[Bubu]

I have found out an easy way to know what the facts are. If mainstream; science, education, media, government said it's black then the fact (almost all of the time) is white.

Our family also quit taking pills ( almost killed me) altogether and my children seldom get flu and colds. And if they do they recover quickly without any attention.

I was afflicted by asthma as a young boy. And grew up on pills, my mother love me dearly and she showered me with pills thinking that it is good for me. Every change of season I get flu and/or colds two to four times each year.
never had any for almost three years since I stop taking pills more than 4 years ago.

One important question: Do you trust the vaccine manufacturers (big pharma)?

As far as I knew they deliberately make people sick. facts are everywhere you just need to open eyes a bit.

[Hip Hipnotist]

A study carried out by the Belgian "Knowledge Centre" has shown that the number of deaths among the elderly due to flu could considerably be lessened by having children vaccinated against flu on an annual basis.

Full article: http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006 (http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006)(is Dutch but you can run a quick machine transl.)

Allow me, If I may, to rephrase your post to reflect why the Belgian "Knowledge Centre" should research more about how to make the perfect Belgian waffle and stay outt'a medical research:

A study carried out by the Belgian "Knowledge Centre" has shown that the number of deaths among the elderly due to flu could considerably be lessened if they quit getting vaccinated against flu on an annual basis -- or any other basis.

Waffles, anyone? ;-)

[Lifebringer]

What! The way virus mutate and change, they want to turn our children into petri dishes? For Real?

I don't think so. Let the LIZARDS, AND THEIR CHILDREN GO FIRST, AND NOT FROM THE ROYALE PHARMACY, BUT THE WALGREENS OR RITE AID, WE HAVE TO GET OURS FROM.

Jesus, what are these people/humans/?? thinking with? their pocket stocks for the future only?

If they could profit off farts, they would have us all upside down after drinking Buttwider beer w/straws up our behinds.

[Lifebringer]

No illnesses, flu, dis-ease of the body and mind, no stock dividends returns or tax cuts on assets, or riding on the company yacht, or driving their Ferrari, or Rolex watches.

They are absolutely due a come uppance by God and Heaven's Hosts for Christ.

Buckle up peeps, I hear a train a comin,
It's rollin' round the bend;
And we ain't seen the sunshine, since, I don't know when
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWsuVuw5JO4

Let the sunshine in
Let the sunshine in
The sun..shine in...
Let the Sunshine...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

[DeDukshyn]

Annual flu shot may increase risk of H1N1 -- big pharma back to the drawing board for a 1-2 punch??
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2009/09/23/flu-shots-h1n1-seasonal.html

BC man paralyzed after flu shot
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html

Flu shots don't help seniors much
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/02/21/flu-vaccine-seniors-cdc.html

Actual flu risk very low - other respiratory diseases likely account for more deaths than the flu - no vaccines for these ...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/11/22/flu-deaths-crowe.html






"There are no real figures on deaths from influenza. They don't collect that information," he said. "So if they don't collect that information, how do they know it's a threat? And if they don't collect that information, how do they know that their policies will work? This is called faith-based medicine, not evidence-based medicine."

[gracieuse]

There is an outbreak of measles in the Netherlands, in a region where people don't vaccinate their children for religious reasons. Makes me wonder, is this a prove of a vaccine being effective? or social engineering, making them sick to get more people vaccinated?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/serious-outbreak-of-measles-in-dutch-bible-belt-area-opposed-to-vaccinations-1.1435468

All I know, is remembering as a child that the vaccin actually made me sick.

OUt of intuition, I also stopped vaccinating my pets, who were supposed to get a yearly shot. What a money bank... My pets are in better health than ever!

[happyexpat]

Swine flu offers "extraordinary super immunity" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12152500)


In the nine patients they studied who had caught swine flu during the pandemic, they found the infection had triggered the production of a wide range of antibodies that are only very rarely seen after seasonal flu infections or flu vaccination.

I'm happy to say my little one and I both had it. This is always the 'problem' of science if you ask me. They think they can do better than the human body what it is designed to do if we will just leave it alone.

[Shannow]

Australia had to stop the flu jab for under 5s, as there was a spate of incidences that they couldn't explain away (when a half dozen girls had same symptoms post HPV vaccinations, they used "mass hysteria" as the reason for the incidence and spread).

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/flu-vaccination-ban-goes-national-after-fever-convulsions-in-children-20100423-tglp.html

Something that I find morbidly amusing about the flu hysteria is:
* that a pneumonia death in an elderly person with the flu is a flu death, and justifies the programme.
* that a pneumonia death in a cancer patient receiving chemo is just plain and simple pneumonia

[happyexpat]

There is an outbreak of measles in the Netherlands, in a region where people don't vaccinate their children for religious reasons.

What does this word outbreak actually mean? I think it's just a propaganda word. Never forget when I was in Texas and there was a big "flu outbreak" and word for word they actually said on the news, "The flu virus has been released at several local schools..."

My husband had measles twice and mumps and is just fine.

When our child had whooping cough there was no "outbreak".

People catch these diseases all the time... Vaccinated or not. And usually disease is much much worse if they have been vaccinated.

[Violet]

The biggest argument given, and it will always pop up, is that you can't deny that a few centuries ago people/children used to regularly die of measles, flu and the like.

This is something we assume to be correct because I've never heard somebody on the spot asking for statistics supporting such a statement (probably for fear of making a fool of oneself).

[T Smith]

A study carried out by the Belgian "Knowledge Centre" has shown that the number of deaths among the elderly due to flu could considerably be lessened by having children vaccinated against flu on an annual basis.

Full article: http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006 (http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006)(is Dutch but you can run a quick machine transl.)

No........

[Shannow]

The biggest argument given, and it will always pop up, is that you can't deny that a few centuries ago people/children used to regularly die of measles, flu and the like.

This is something we assume to be correct because I've never heard somebody on the spot asking for statistics supporting such a statement (probably for fear of making a fool of oneself).

If you do some research (not jabbing you (j/k), I just don't have time to dig it up before work), which I'll grab some links this afternoon, all of the major "vaccine preventable" diseases were on a massive decline due to hygiene long before their various vaccines were introduced. If you acquire polio in the western world these days,it's likely from a recently vaccinated person shedding live virus.

As to children dying from measles and the flue etc., it depends on how it's defined.

Like I said earlier, if you contract pneumonia while suffering the flu, it's a flu death. If you contract pneumonia while being treated for cancer, it's a pneumonia death (you didn't die of cancer OR chemo).

My query that I'm researching at the moment is how many of the measles deaths occurred when, and given the current recommendation of not treating a measles fever with aspirin, whether aspirin was a contributing factor to high measles mortality at some historical point.

Reading an article in Nexus magazine about the 1918-19 flue disaster and it's links to high dose aspirin on a chemical that had just run out of patent protection and was recommended for everything at the time, and in massive doses...and it got me thinking about the measles link.

[happyexpat]

As to children dying from measles and the flue etc., it depends on how it's defined.

Like I said earlier, if you contract pneumonia while suffering the flu, it's a flu death. If you contract pneumonia while being treated for cancer, it's a pneumonia death (you didn't die of cancer OR chemo).


That's kinda like how most people who contract tetanus die of a secondary infection contracted while in the hospital rather than from the tetanus itself.

Diseases don't really scare me. Hospitals do. They are full of germs and where people go to die. Sometimes emergency medicine is necessary, and it has saved a few people I know, but generally... I would avoid them like the plague. Literally. Avoid the plague.

[Veiled Rain]

Flu shots--contains the virus or antibodies from the strain that was most prevalent the preceding year---does that not seem a little odd to you?
The body has natural antibodies and defenses--but the more we inundate ourselves and or children with broad spectrum antibiotics--the weaker our natural immunities become to everything( not to mention the problems associated with weather modification and genetically modified foods--but that in itself is another discussion)

Do we really need to be introducing anything synthetic into the blood stream

Any type of foreign substance always causes a reaction ie-cause effect, action reaction etc

[DeDukshyn]

The biggest argument given, and it will always pop up, is that you can't deny that a few centuries ago people/children used to regularly die of measles, flu and the like.

This is something we assume to be correct because I've never heard somebody on the spot asking for statistics supporting such a statement (probably for fear of making a fool of oneself).

Its the same as the fluoride argument ... around the time that fluoride was introduced into toothpastes and water supplies in certain countries, stats did indeed show fewer dental caries and improvement of overall dental health. But if you look at the stats carefully, you will notivced that countries that did not allow fluoride into their water and toothpastes, had a faster increase in overall dental health than those countries that added fluroide -- suddenly the stats show the opposite result (WHO's own stats) of what we "assume". In fact, fluoride did not contribute at all to the improvement of dental health, but other factors such as improved hygiene, available clean water, more disposable income to help take care of issues before they spread, and improvements to medicine and diet among the newly emerging (at the time) middle class. Fluoride actually slowed the dental health improvement in the countries that mandated its use.

I think we can say the same for many of the results we attribute to vaccines. Deeper stats I am sure would show the same trends. The four links I posted above definitely support this claim. Not to say that vaccines never worked at all, just saying we as a collective may have misplaced faith in them.

[DeDukshyn]

A study carried out by the Belgian "Knowledge Centre" has shown that the number of deaths among the elderly due to flu could considerably be lessened by having children vaccinated against flu on an annual basis.

Full article: http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006 (http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20130712_006)(is Dutch but you can run a quick machine transl.)

No........

I agree with "no", to help support how this info is likely propaganda fluff ...

The 3rd link I posted above shows that seniors hardly do any better with getting a direct flu shot; how can this be if the vaccine is effective? Also the fourth link I posted there also shows that flu deaths in Canada are never counted - I assume it is the same in every country - it's all theory based on nothing real. Health Canada claims that ~ 8000 people die in Canada every year from the flu, yet at the time that the fourth article I posted was written, only one death in Canada was actually recorded with the cause of death as influenza. Just a single one. The article shows how badly adulterated those numbers often are, where often the difference in summer deaths and winter deaths - even those by car accidents, poisonings, and old age, are all attributed to "the flu" in some models. It doesn't get any less real than the way these numbers are derived.

[Shannow]

The three card trick is demonstrated ably here...
http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1195733756107

http://www.hpa.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1263482851377&csblobid=1317298436153&ssbinary=true

Can see that deaths were nearly gone, and cases were down through nutrition and hygiene etc. etc. long before the vaccine was introduced...

What's really funny is the words below the graph


*Some of the measles deaths shown in the graph are in older individuals and were caused by the late effects of measles. These infections were acquired during the 1980s or earlier, when epidemics of measles occurred.

In other words, they were scratching for cases to fill the agenda

[Shannow]

Came across this last night

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-08-vaccination-flu-worse-exposed-strain.html#ajTabs

While looking up why so many people are getting massive flu only weeks after their flu shots.


(Medical Xpress)—A new study in the U.S. has shown that pigs vaccinated against one strain of influenza were worse off if subsequently infected by a related strain of the virus.

Microbiologist Dr. Hana Golding of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at Bethesda in Maryland and colleagues at the National Animal Disease Center in Ames, Iowa and elsewhere, vaccinated "naive" piglets (those that had never been exposed to flu viruses) against the H1N2 influenza strain and later exposed them to the rare H1N1 virus, which is the virus responsible for the 2009 swine flu pandemic.
When the piglets were vaccinated they produced a wide range of antibodies to block the H1N2 virus, but these "cross-reactive" antibodies not only failed to provide protection against the second virus, H1N1, but appeared to actually help the H1N1 virus infiltrate lung tissue and cause more severe symptoms and respiratory system complications such as pneumonia and lung damage. The unvaccinated controls suffered milder pneumonia and fewer other complications. This effect is called Vaccine-Associated Enhanced Respiratory Disease.
The researchers found that the antibodies produced in response to H1N2 could not bind to a key region of the H1N1 virus and could therefore neither kill nor neutralize them and stop them binding to cells in the pigs' lungs, and in fact helped the new virus to fuse to lung cells and multiply more readily, through a process the scientists dubbed "fusion enhancing."
The team concluded that this effect should be taken into consideration by researchers trying to develop a universal influenza vaccine to protect humans from all strains of flu virus, (see this article, for example) since protection against one strain may produce antibodies that assist similar, related strains of virus. They also cautioned that their results may not apply to humans, and that the vaccines they used were made from whole, killed viruses, unlike those used to protect humans, which are made from parts of killed viruses.
The current findings add weight to studies of the 2009 outbreak of H1N1 flu in Canada, which discovered that people who had received the normal seasonal flu vaccine were more likely to be affected by H1N1 than those who had not been vaccinated.
Dr Golding said the findings of their research are not relevant to regular seasonal flu vaccinations, and that she thought "people should definitely take them," but she added that the results of the research could prove useful for improving future vaccines.

It's laughable, as obviously the hypothesis that they were testing was that it would improve immunity against other strains...and that if it did, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

But it proved that the jab increased the problems for the pigs, so it therefore wasn't relevent to humans.

[Violet]

update: Pregnant women definitely need to get the flu shot (http://www.gva.be/nieuws/wetenschap/aid1459838/zwangere-vrouwen-moeten-zich-zeker-vaccineren-tegen-de-griep.aspx)