I have to rant (some people still think aliens don't exist)

[shadowstalker]

I have to get this of my chest..
I was watching youtube.

Alex Collier 14 Years After The Ground Breaking 1994 Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awIYPKZSvR4)

Read the posts (big mistake I should stop doing that)
Here is the post.

We have a planet full of science fiction morons holding onto a false dream remain strongly deluded until the end. There is no aliens and if there were, there is a Most High being, who would not allow such contact with mankind at any rate. There is many who are plagued by evil spiritual forces and phenomenon, and claiming to be in contact with space aliens. As if evil spirits don't lie to the living. Getting abducted? Call on Jesus and see what happens, i dare you.

My reply:
Now there is an oxy moron, god would allow (and he dose, if he truly exists) demons to speak to us and posses us, but wont allow aliens to abduct us and speak to us. Does that make any sense you anyone around here? I think I would rather deal with aliens then deal with a so called loving god that allow a demon to thrive on earth where his so called creation thrives.

I wanted to say so much more, but I had to control myself and remember that these people haven't figured it out yet. But I just seriously needed to state my peace..

As I also know that a lot of aliens don't know Jesus, and will continue to do harm to any other being out there.

END RANT

Thank you for listening.:cool:

[sygh]

You just tell it! Right there with ya. I've never seen an alien (that I know of LOL) in all the years I've walked this earth but I know they exist - just as I know I'm sitting here typing this. Not that I haven't actually invited them to meet me cause I have (I'm not a drinker but... I happened to be snookered at the time); they've just never RSVP'ed. I guess that could be real lucky on my part or, maybe I've missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Maybe I would have frozen up like a deer caught in a set of on-coming headlights.

Have you ever seen an alien? I've always imagined what I would say if I had the chance to meet one in person. I guess I just haven't imagined enough though cause I'm still too busy catching myself staring at them in my mind's eye.



Cheers!

[shadowstalker]

Have you ever seen an alien?

Massachusetts -Springfield - 2004
I was sleeping in my bed, with my head two feet from the living room window. I heard this singing at the top of my head, at the same time I saw in the back of my head a hand and a crystal, I am not even sure what kind of hand it was as I got to images at the same time, this hand was threw the window but not, along with it's body.
I had woken up and felt really refreshed but odd, but at the same time safe. At the same time I could hear the whole neighborhood speaking and having conversations, this was around 5:00 A.M. I thought to myself cool I can do this, It was awesome to hear so much and I heard the baby next door speak English tho' it was a Spanish speaking family.
Well after a few minutes I needed to go to the bathroom, when I was done with that I went to go back to bed. I laid down in bed and then I started to relax, when all of the sudden I saw a bright light at my kitchen door and two figures (appeared to be Grey,one tall one short, no clothing) closing the door and that is the only thing that scared me for all that I went threw for that night.

[Ellisa]

I suppose it all depends on what you mean by aliens. I have never seen one, but I find it increasingly difficult, particularly in view of all the new information about the Universe, to think that we are alone. Somewhere the peculiar chance that enabled life to emerge on Earth has surely happened elsewhere. All it needs is carbon! Will I ever see these other life-forms?--- probably not in my life-time--- but then again,who knows, maybe tomorrow!

But demons,deities and so on are human constructs of the supernatural type. They exist in the mind and if you believe they exist then they do for you, and who am I to even suggest they don't. Just don't allow them too much power.

[MadMax1]

That is the same kind of small mindedness that made people believe that the earth was flat even when they told them otherwise. For people to believe in this day and age that their could possibly be no other life outside of planet earth boggles the mind. Can you imagine what it must have been like for great people in the past trying to get the truth out and having people laugh at them and call them crazy. It's happening right now with the subject of life on other planets and our perception of physics.

I am sure in the near future main stream scientists will finally learn what the government scientists working on the black projects already know. Then they will have to wipe the egg off their faces and come to turns with it, just like they had to in the past. I have not seen an alien myself but I have a friend that has had contact with other worldly beings on a few occasions, and also seen their craft which is an amazing story it can be backed up by a few witnesses as well.

[spiritguide]

In this illusionary world, my personal perceptions are of inter dimensionally vs. inter planetary. We live on the cusp of two dimensions, as human, spiritual and material. To accept or reject either or both is personal to the illusion. Living through the heart and seeing with the third eye collapses boundries. IMHO

Peace be with you!

[OnyxKnight]

Has that guy, who made that insanely ridiculous comment, taken a look at the current situation of Alex Collier? And where his "delusions" have brought him today?

Some nerve ...

[Prodigal Son]

Actually, the planet is still mostly full of "science fiction morons" who DON'T believe there are aliens outside of the cinema or TV in spite of all the evidence.

I feel very compassionate for people still grappling with the cognitive dissonance that comes with the idea that there is a benevolent Creator God who would "allow" or "not allow" this or that.

The idea of timelines, dialectical evolution, hierarchies, an existing set of laws that cause consequences when they are broken, and quarantines ... answer all the logistical questions that the Orthodox "God" view never will. That's why all the efforts of the controllers to keep people dumbed down and in fear boils down to one thing: Make them believe in an external personal God who actually intervenes in the affairs of mankind and completely strip them of all their power that resides within them. It is well summed up by that old Watchtower line, their answer to everything they can't answer (which is everything) ..... "Wait on Jehovah". And while you're doing that, keep selling those magazines and feeding the Borg.

Anybody who has been exposed to the Internet for all these years should by now have come across one of those ah-a ding-ding-ding epiphany phrases or moments when they logically conclude that there is no such God. The Founding Fathers were well aware that it was no Paradise we were given, but a primordial soup dreamed up by a delusional sub-god, an abortion, a mistake, who gets off on violence and fear since every creature both human and non-human lives in such fear (except the controllers, whose only fear is the deluded masses waking up), and it was the Absolute Source that used the Hierarchy to provide the human race with the God Spark in order to salvage this place and make it evolve into something Divine. What other kind of God but a sick and twisted one would create a cute innocent loving little bird, and then create a bigger bird to terrorize, shred to pieces and eat said cute little bird?

How long should it take one to learn that the Founding Fathers were not Christians at all but Deists? They knew that if THEY didn't take action for benevolent change, no one else would. They were not waiting for any Savior. Lazy cowards do that. If they had been anything else (that falls outside the "Gnosis" box), we would not have a Constitutional Republic with civil rights and personal freedom. If they were alive today we also wouldn't have a Central Bank.

[indigopete]

remember that these people haven't figured it out yet


That is the same kind of small mindedness that made people believe that the earth was flat


shadowstalker -

I think we should be careful when we patronise others or dismiss their views over a subject which is still the realm of speculation.

I accept that there is a vast amount of evidence of a "phenomenon", including your own. But it's quite a huge leap to go from there to concluding that "aliens" are making journeys here in physical bodies.

I think we underestimate how "programmed" we are by years of star-trek type conditioning which focuses on transportation in the physical realm (i.e. travelling around space in "tin cans").

When thinking about the subject of interstellar life, we need to completely change the way we perceive our existence - most of which is in the metaphysical, not the physical. For example, try dividing the length of your physical lifetime by the age of the universe. You will end up with a fraction so ridiculously small that it's almost insignificant. On the other hand take the compliment of that fraction, you'll end up with a huge number.

So why do we insist on focusing on what goes on in the tiny fraction instead of the huge one ?

Why is it so "small minded" to suggest that physical life (the tiny fraction) might not be the least bit interested in travelling huge distances in a physical body when they can get there in an instant during the entire duration of the "huge fraction" of time I mentioned above ?

There are 2 things that I think many UFO-agenda followers (I include myself in that group) don't fully grasp:

[1] - the sheer magnitude of the physical times and distances implied by inter-galactic travel

[2] - despite the abundance of evidence of abductions, sightings of "extraterrestials" and so on, the complete absence of evidence that they originated from other parts of the galaxy

On that second issue, the target of your "rant" has a point. The conclusions drawn are mainly the result of decades of "TV" programming. There is no good reason to assume that they're extraterrestial and every good reason to assume they're terrestrial in origin. (I realise there are intuitive reasons for the "extraterrestial" conclusions, but we need to go beyond intuitive responses and start thinking it though to arrive at a more dispassionate conclusion).

Physical matter - by definition - is more or less tied to geographical location in space / time. It's stuck there - it cannot "jump around". The reason being that it gets heavier the faster it goes. Please think about this. It's telling us something profound about universal laws, namely that a physical existence is merely a "station" in the multidimensional ether.

You can't be both a train and a station. You can't expect the station to travel between stations because that contradicts our definition of "travel" in that it's the station that provides the very reference that you have travelled. By analogy, intergalactic travel necessarily involves travel between dimensions.

What I mean by that is, that if Aliens are here, then they were born here. I am one, you are one, the animals in the jungle are one. You don't get here in a "tin can saucer", you get here by being born here.

Conversely, Multi-dimensional travel off planet does exist, but you have to go through a portal known as "dying" to get back on the train. Those are just simple rules of observed reality and we would be wise to apply them when making an appraisal of the morass of information that's around regarding UFO stories.

I think your little "rant" may come back to haunt you because it reflects as much on what you yourself haven't "figured out" as it does your subject. I don't mean that in a patronising way - you clearly had a profound experience and these are very personal. I just mean that when all's said and done and the true reality emerges, it usually makes sense of all sides of the debate except each is put into it's appropriate context. There are no "sleepers and wakers" - they were all expressing the same underlying profound consciousness in diverse ways.

[naste.de.lumina]

Actually, the planet is still mostly full of "science fiction morons" who DON'T believe there are aliens outside of the cinema or TV in spite of all the evidence.

I feel very compassionate for people still grappling with the cognitive dissonance that comes with the idea that there is a benevolent Creator God who would "allow" or "not allow" this or that.

The idea of timelines, dialectical evolution, hierarchies, an existing set of laws that cause consequences when they are broken, and quarantines ... answer all the logistical questions that the Orthodox "God" view never will. That's why all the efforts of the controllers to keep people dumbed down and in fear boils down to one thing: Make them believe in an external personal God who actually intervenes in the affairs of mankind and completely strip them of all their power that resides within them. It is well summed up by that old Watchtower line, their answer to everything they can't answer (which is everything) ..... "Wait on Jehovah". And while you're doing that, keep selling those magazines and feeding the Borg.

Anybody who has been exposed to the Internet for all these years should by now have come across one of those ah-a ding-ding-ding epiphany phrases or moments when they logically conclude that there is no such God. The Founding Fathers were well aware that it was no Paradise we were given, but a primordial soup dreamed up by a delusional sub-god, an abortion, a mistake, who gets off on violence and fear since every creature both human and non-human lives in such fear (except the controllers, whose only fear is the deluded masses waking up), and it was the Absolute Source that used the Hierarchy to provide the human race with the God Spark in order to salvage this place and make it evolve into something Divine. What other kind of God but a sick and twisted one would create a cute innocent loving little bird, and then create a bigger bird to terrorize, shred to pieces and eat said cute little bird?

How long should it take one to learn that the Founding Fathers were not Christians at all but Deists? They knew that if THEY didn't take action for benevolent change, no one else would. They were not waiting for any Savior. Lazy cowards do that. If they had been anything else (that falls outside the "Gnosis" box), we would not have a Constitutional Republic with civil rights and personal freedom. If they were alive today we also wouldn't have a Central Bank.

Excellent overview friend.
My thought.
The same pseudo-God (A powerful sick entity but that is not the source of All Love and spirits) who for example, asked Abraham to kill his son as proof of loyalty.
Ohhh, but he is kind, did not allow the final act (terror and stress to Abraham does not count).
And is the same entity is keen to tell us all about it in his dogmatic and impositions books.

Thoughts, emotions, words and physical actions.
There are four ways to trigger the karmic wheel, and affection is who makes this storage.

People skeptical about extraterrestrial entities and / or extra-dimensional are having much, much work to continue even skeptics.
Despite all the evidence.
But believe in the God of the Bible. What's the point?

http://bittersweetend.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/circular_reasoning.gif

This is called affection to beliefs
Hug.

[sirdipswitch]

indigopete

Before jumping on shadowstalker, you really should re-think, a couple of points. Namely, #1&2 of your post. Everything you have stated, can be learned on the nightly news. (chuckle chuckle). To learn a bit more than Earth Physics can teach you, you must open your mind and step outside of the box, that they have so tightly nailed you within. (cc). I am really quite surprised by your post, seeing as how long you have been a member of this forum. (cc)

[indigopete]

To learn a bit more than Earth Physics can teach you, you must open your mind and step outside of the box, that they have so tightly nailed you within. (cc). I am really quite surprised by your post, seeing as how long you have been a member of this forum. (cc)

sirdipswitch -

Please feel free. I'm all ears.

[sirdipswitch]

Because you ask:

In order to travel the "extremely vast" reaches of the Universe, one should have a "vehicle" powerwed by thought. Just to travel the stars and gallaxies, one should have nothing less than Warp Drive, powered by Dark Matter, compressed into Dilithium Crystals, which will make light speed seem like a snails crawl, and Thought Powered is ... Instant... to anywhere.

This Universe is teeeeming with life beyond this rock we call Earth, and to see this, all one needs to do, is go stand out byond the Milkyway, and watch all the Starships going by on their trade routes between the gallaxies.

We, here on this rock, are the babies, in the grand design of all that Source is.

Sorry if you can't understand simplification... but you asked. (ccc)

opening your mind, will open far more, unto you...ccc.

On a side note; I have found only one, (1), impossibility in my life... I can't hide my "Thinking", from Source... ccc.:wizard:

[indigopete]

Just to travel the stars and gallaxies, one should have nothing less than Warp Drive, powered by Dark Matter, compressed into Dilithium Crystals, which will make light speed seem like a snails crawl, and Thought Powered is ... Instant... to anywhere

Ah yes ! I forgot about those.

Silly me.

I arrived here in a body - bad move. Should've used a space ship :)

[sirdipswitch]

Just to travel the stars and gallaxies, one should have nothing less than Warp Drive, powered by Dark Matter, compressed into Dilithium Crystals, which will make light speed seem like a snails crawl, and Thought Powered is ... Instant... to anywhere

Ah yes ! I forgot about those.

Silly me.

I arrived here in a body - bad move. Should've used a space ship :)


chuckle chuckle chuckle, yes you did, but you can take your body anyplace you wish... instantly. To believe otherwise... is to remain in the "Box". ccc.

[shadowstalker]

remember that these people haven't figured it out yet

I think we should be careful when we patronise others or dismiss their views over

Nothing patronizing about stating things out right, When it comes to certain things I simply don't believe in sugar coating things.

[Bill Ryan]

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Until relatively recently, simple islanders in the South Pacific, with everything they ever thought they needed where they were born, lived and died, also thought they were the only people in the world.

Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. The world is a big place, and so is our galaxy, and so is the universe.

[indigopete]

but you can take your body anyplace you wish... instantly. To believe otherwise... is to remain in the "Box"

Well I'll just have to induldge you on that one then.

I've been all over the spectrum on this issue during my adult life, but lately i think I've been vomiting up a lot of the nonsense I've swallowed on these forums (and elsewhere) over the last few years and come to the conclusion that people need to start thinking for themselves and challenging all the claims that are being thrown at us from all sources - not just the so called "mainstream" ones.

Thinking "out of the box" does not mean jumping straight into another one. For example, I don't think that your statement that "you can take your body anyplace you wish" is thinking out of the box. If you mean that metaphorically then you wouldn't be the first and if you mean it literally then you wouldn't need to be making posts on here to convince me of it.

The alternative community has created it's own "box" full of nonsense that's just as constraining as that of "Earth Physics". You only need to look back at some of empty melodrama that's been played out in these forums in the last few years to see that.

A new set of "shackles" has arrived and we need to call time on those as well if we really want to be thinking "out of the box". Your assumption that because someone challenges an alternative agenda like the existence of intergalactic travel means that they are not 'thinking out of the box' is wrong and prejudicial.

The fact is that most people don't even understand what they're looking at when they look up at the stars at night. They are actually looking at a world that doesn't exist. They are looking back in time. Some proper "out of the box" thinking is required to comprehend that fact and it's implications. But most people just see it as a "far away place where strange people might live". We don't identify ourselves as "those same people". It's an "us and them" situation which is why I brought up the issue of "star trek" sci-fi programming.

I don't think I'd have a problem with many of these concepts if there wasn't such universal agreement about them. That combined with the kind of arrogance that is often shown towards more "mainstream thinkers" makes me feel something is rotten - in the sense that tribalism has triumphed over curiosity.

Time for a rebalancing.

[sirdipswitch]

but you can take your body anyplace you wish... instantly. To believe otherwise... is to remain in the "Box"

Well I'll just have to induldge you on that one then.

I've been all over the spectrum on this issue during my adult life, but lately i think I've been vomiting up a lot of the nonsense I've swallowed on these forums (and elsewhere) over the last few years and come to the conclusion that people need to start thinking for themselves and challenging all the claims that are being thrown at us from all sources - not just the so called "mainstream" ones.

Thinking "out of the box" does not mean jumping straight into another one. For example, I don't think that your statement that "you can take your body anyplace you wish" is thinking out of the box. If you mean that metaphorically then you wouldn't be the first and if you mean it literally then you wouldn't need to be making posts on here to convince me of it.

The alternative community has created it's own "box" full of nonsense that's just as constraining as that of "Earth Physics". You only need to look back at some of empty melodrama that's been played out in these forums in the last few years to see that.

A new set of "shackles" has arrived and we need to call time on those as well if we really want to be thinking "out of the box". Your assumption that because someone challenges an alternative agenda like the existence of intergalactic travel means that they are not 'thinking out of the box' is wrong and prejudicial.

The fact is that most people don't even understand what they're looking at when they look up at the stars at night. They are actually looking at a world that doesn't exist. They are looking back in time. Some proper "out of the box" thinking is required to comprehend that fact and it's implications. But most people just see it as a "far away place where strange people might live". We don't identify ourselves as "those same people". It's an "us and them" situation which is why I brought up the issue of "star trek" sci-fi programming.

I don't think I'd have a problem with many of these concepts if there wasn't such universal agreement about them. That combined with the kind of arrogance that is often shown towards more "mainstream thinkers" makes me feel something is rotten - in the sense that tribalism has triumphed over curiosity.

Time for a rebalancing.


You are correct in your thinking, we all know what we know. Even you.

ENJOY!!! ccccccc.

[DNA]

I have to get this of my chest..
I was watching youtube.

Alex Collier 14 Years After The Ground Breaking 1994 Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awIYPKZSvR4)

Read the posts (big mistake I should stop doing that)
Here is the post.

We have a planet full of science fiction morons holding onto a false dream remain strongly deluded until the end. There is no aliens and if there were, there is a Most High being, who would not allow such contact with mankind at any rate. There is many who are plagued by evil spiritual forces and phenomenon, and claiming to be in contact with space aliens. As if evil spirits don't lie to the living. Getting abducted? Call on Jesus and see what happens, i dare you.

My reply:
Now there is an oxy moron, god would allow (and he dose, if he truly exists) demons to speak to us and posses us, but wont allow aliens to abduct us and speak to us. Does that make any sense you anyone around here? I think I would rather deal with aliens then deal with a so called loving god that allow a demon to thrive on earth where his so called creation thrives.

I wanted to say so much more, but I had to control myself and remember that these people haven't figured it out yet. But I just seriously needed to state my peace..

As I also know that a lot of aliens don't know Jesus, and will continue to do harm to any other being out there.

END RANT

Thank you for listening.:cool:

I'm with you Shadowstalker, I agree aliens exist and the evidence is there in the form of human testimonial and covered up crashes.
Folks get pissed at me for saying so, and of course to each their own, but I wouldn't go to Alex Collier as the horse's mouth on this stuff.
There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that indicates he stole most of his material from Billy Meier.
I'm not sold on Collier, he sets off my "warning this dude is full of it vibe".
Even so, I agree with what you are saying though.

All the best

[OnyxKnight]

There is no similarity to both materials. The historical depictions are very, very different, the nature of the exopolitics then and now is very different, the role of humankind in all of this mess between them is also entirely different.

So what exactly did he steal? Are the Deneb and Pleiades aliens trademarked by Billy or something? Because I really don't get it, I must be missing something.


And even if it were the case (like above), you can't trademark truth, only fiction.




I'm with you Shadowstalker, I agree aliens exist and the evidence is there in the form of human testimonial and covered up crashes.
Folks get pissed at me for saying so, and of course to each their own, but I wouldn't go to Alex Collier as the horse's mouth on this stuff.
There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that indicates he stole most of his material from Billy Meier.
I'm not sold on Collier, he sets off my "warning this dude is full of it vibe".
Even so, I agree with what you are saying though.

All the best

[Bill Ryan]

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Thought for the day:

Aliens (and many other things in this and others worlds) exist -- or not! -- no matter what you believe. The error may be believing that our beliefs are in any way important.

:)

[DNA]

And even if it were the case (like above), you can't trademark truth, only fiction.

Hey, I'm wrong all the time, I may be wrong here, but I will go ahead and ask in the hope of being enlightened.
Has Alex Collier had a prediction that came true? If so please let me know because I'm pretty sure nothing he has stated in the form of prediction has come to pass.
So, in so far as his predictions are concerned, unless someone can provide something, it would have to be relegated to the realm of fiction? Right?

His philosophies, regardless of what alien race he wants to attribute it to, can be found elsewhere.

I don't mean to be attacking anyone's beliefs. If you personally get a lot out of Alex more power to you.
But, I don't see anything wrong with folks who see falsehood offering a warning.

[OnyxKnight]

You are evading the question my friend :)


I asked, what has Alex stole from Billy Meier's account / material? You just went on to grab Alex's predictions.


If we waltz with that argument, Billy isn't doing much better in that department then Alex. If we take other aspects of it, he would be in worse place then Alex (in terms of validity).


Also, Billy's extraterrestrials are identical to the extraterrestrials another man in South Africa contacted in the early 50s. They also said they would next contact a one armed man in Switzerland on their departure. So, that Billy had some kind of contact, I have no doubts, there is an independent source confirming at least that.

Key thing is, the South African's alien contacts claimed they came from Alpha Centauri, and gave a pretty different version of things (although more believable), then the contacts of Billy, who claimed to came from the (or behind) the Pleiades and that were capable of going to the very ends of the observable universe and even traverse dimensions and other universes.

I would have liked Billy if he stayed with the truth, that he had contact, but probably not a reoccurring one. And that he didn't get much out of it.


Fabricating physical evidence is not the way to go.





Hey, I'm wrong all the time, I may be wrong here, but I will go ahead and ask in the hope of being enlightened.
Has Alex Collier had a prediction that came true? If so please let me know because I'm pretty sure nothing he has stated in the form of prediction has come to pass.
So, in so far as his predictions are concerned, unless someone can provide something, it would have to be relegated to the realm of fiction? Right?

His philosophies, regardless of what alien race he wants to attribute it to, can be found elsewhere.

I don't mean to be attacking anyone's beliefs. If you personally get a lot out of Alex more power to you.
But, I don't see anything wrong with folks who see falsehood offering a warning.

[shadowstalker]

Until relatively recently, simple islanders in the South Pacific, with everything they ever thought they needed where they were born, lived and died, also thought they were the only people in the world.

Now that is fascinating.. I would love to here there stories.
I would love to to know there true feeling on the matter of an internally new paradigm shift.
I would love to know what they went through good and bad.
There ignorance and bliss I can respect for they truly had no idea..

Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. The world is a big place, and so is our galaxy, and so is the universe.

That I simply can support, at least not this part Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. these ppl who watch at places like youtube and the like are a far cry from the islanders. And have been raised up in part by media and god, bad or indifferent and possible belief systems, and the Good folks who watch these vids are either looking for something or just love to troll. they for the most part, know inside what the truth is but would rather give it up to something else to feel safe, (This key)(not a judgement)

True I can't really blame them for the most part.

What I myself couldn't handling was the pure contradiction in the same paragraph. (and that is my downfall I must freely admit)
I never could understand how folks could state that this god could create an entire universe, but still hold the belief that this same god only spent his time creating only Demons angels and humans.

It is true what they say we can create our own manifestations, and manifest our creations.


What I was trying to relay to the poster on youtube, was that his belief was flawed in it's own and his own simplicity, he was contrary in his own belief system.
Basically as I stated, what he states is an oxy-moron (and yes I put my own personal knowings in there to, Downfall) To me it makes no common sense let alone any kind of logical sense(or faith sense) to give a deity all the praise then down grade it in the same motion. This is where these type of system start to fail and it is rarely ever caught by the believers in deities/systems.

Ok I think for a little while I will keep my big fat yap shut, maybe I have said to much on the subject for now.

And Bill sorry for imposing, It's been a weird day already for me.

[jagman]

Rant away babygirl rant away. I'm a simple man,
So I like breaking things down into simple terms. Most people
believe they have a brain in their head but how do they know
if they have never seen it.

[Flash]

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Thought for the day:

Aliens (and many other things in this and others worlds) exist -- or not! -- no matter what you believe. The error may be believing that our beliefs are in any way important.

:)

The best post and words of the week, no doubts. I think I will post it on my fridge to remind me.

[BrianEn]

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Until relatively recently, simple islanders in the South Pacific, with everything they ever thought they needed where they were born, lived and died, also thought they were the only people in the world.

Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. The world is a big place, and so is our galaxy, and so is the universe.


I really like that idea. I would have loved to have a lived a life like that having the earth provide everything I need. That seems like a vacation from our lives now.

[Flash]

There is no similarity to both materials. The historical depictions are very, very different, the nature of the exopolitics then and now is very different, the role of humankind in all of this mess between them is also entirely different.

So what exactly did he steal? Are the Deneb and Pleiades aliens trademarked by Billy or something? Because I really don't get it, I must be missing something.


And even if it were the case (like above), you can't trademark truth, only fiction.




I'm with you Shadowstalker, I agree aliens exist and the evidence is there in the form of human testimonial and covered up crashes.
Folks get pissed at me for saying so, and of course to each their own, but I wouldn't go to Alex Collier as the horse's mouth on this stuff.
There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that indicates he stole most of his material from Billy Meier.
I'm not sold on Collier, he sets off my "warning this dude is full of it vibe".
Even so, I agree with what you are saying though.

All the best

HI Onyx, happy to see you back. You are a puff of fresh air coming in, in my view. Thanks for being around.

[DNA]

You are evading the question my friend :)


I asked, what has Alex stole from Billy Meier's account / material? You just went on to grab Alex's predictions.

Look Onyx, I'm not here to argue with you. I'm really not. I'm just stating a personal warning. In all honesty, if you like Alex awesome. We can all learn things from folks with similiar temperments I suppose. I for one buy into almost all of the teachings of Carlos Castaneda, yet there is quite a bit of negative information out there that points to him using quite a bit of literary license to his writings.


If we waltz with that argument, Billy isn't doing much better in that department then Alex. If we take other aspects of it, he would be in worse place then Alex (in terms of validity).



[link to www.theyfly.com (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theyfly.com%2Flost%2Fmeier.prophecies.1958.htm)]

From 1958: "And in the Third Millennium the time comes when big parts of the continents disappear and the people will have to flee to the mountains, yet their sense of the catastrophes will only be of short duration, because they will forget everything [...] because they are already creating phantasmagoria, through movies and television, as well as later through a worldwide netting of computers and electronics..."

From 1958: "through various electronic telecommunications devices that, over satellites, transmit everything, up to the Earth's hindmost nook, in word and picture, while in only forty years even the simplest citizen will carry a pocket telephone around with him and would use it at every possible and impossible opportunity."

From 1958: "And it will be that the fanatical Islamist's bloody revenge on the distant descendants of the Christians, for the earlier crucifixions by the Christians, will come into being when they accomplish their deadly and destructive acts through irrepressible terror all over the world."

From 1958: "Marriages will no longer be formed out of love, rather out of addiction to profit, for the sake of appearances and as a consequence of erroneous and short term confusions of the feelings, and so it happens ever more frequently that husband and wife will be unfaithful, and divorce as often as they marry."

From 1958: "The already near future would bring a situation where every human will try to attain as much pleasure, worldly possessions, delight, money and wealth as he possibly can and it will be that even the parents deceive their children, the children their parents, and the siblings will deceive each other if they can thereby gain a profit for themselves."

From 1958: "The bodies of the people will be destroyed by drugs and addiction and towards the beginning of the Third Millennium a dangerous new drug with the name crystal will cause a furor amongst addicted people whose faces and bodies will be furrowed and ruined within a few months, and aged in such a way as if the addicted were monsters a hundred years old."

From 1958: "At the beginning of the Third Millennium more than seven billion people will be on the Earth, which will lead to even greater harm and to destruction worldwide because on one hand nature strikes back in vengeance and on the other hand, the human undertakes everything which will destroy the entire environment and life."

From 1958: "Through the madness of his overpopulation, the human has already detrimentally altered the world and the climate in such a way that a climbing climatic warming becomes apparent that will be carried far into the Third Millennium and release monstrous natural catastrophes, yet that will not be the end, because everything goes further in the same style..."

From 1958: "Whereby also special companies come into existence for the administration of plastic cards, while the banks will be in on that, with plastic cards they will name credit cards, in order to make their customers dependent, whereby they quite particularly have their eye set on the youth who thereby pile up immense mountains of debt which drive them into need and misery."

From 1958: "...the commoners in private bankruptcies will walk away when they can no longer control their finances because they [...] are equipped with plastic money in the form of plastic cards with which they subsist in the circumstances of their indebtedness, with sundries paid for on credit, and get into horrendous debt..."

From 1958: "Already, in a few years, marriage between man and woman would only be formed for appearances without a binding love, rather they would be only joined together out of the personal interests of the individual partners, with the result that the marriage union is just lies and deception and would no longer be constant, consequently marriages end ever more in divorce."

From 1958: "...Iraq a war will be led through the United States of America, through their country's president, however this will be without success, for which reason one of his sons, who will likewise be the U.S.A's head of power, will, in the third millennium, unleash a second war in Iraq which will ultimately lead to an unbelievable disaster and to torturing as well as to mass murder through U.S. armed forces..."

From 1958: "The end of the Second Millennium will, on one hand, be marked by very rapidly establishing computer technology, and on the other hand, rebellion and a great war which would be called the first gulf war, and a second gulf war would follow, coinciding with the start of the Third Millennium, released by the U.S.A."

[OnyxKnight]

Yeah ... its been a while, a lot has happened. You've been through much too, as I can see here. I've missed some things.




HI Onyx, happy to see you back. You are a puff of fresh air coming in, in my view. Thanks for being around.

[indigopete]

Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. The world is a big place, and so is our galaxy, and so is the universe.

Bill - I don't think this analogy works with intergalactic communities. This is why I say we need to "think differently about things" when it comes to making appraisals of reports of extraterrestrials.

It would be silly not to keep a totally open mind on such a huge subject, but at the same time we need to at least entertain the idea that Einstein might have been right. (Or at least that his laws do apply in the material dimension specifically - which is all he claimed).

In that case, the implications are that the UFO phenomena - whatever it is - is likely to be terrestrial. It doesn't mean there aren't civilisations "out there", it just means that there's never going to be any contact between them in the 'material plane', albeit there may be plenty of contact in the metaphysical planes.

The "simple islanders in the South Pacific" had boats. They could travel from one of their own islands to another within an archipelago. That was enough for them to be able to extend the concept and be able to conceive of or literally discover new worlds.

Intergalactic travel, on the other hand, is not a natural extension of the kind of physical journeys that human beings make today. I think we have to consider that the idea of traveling to other galaxies (whether for humans of aliens) while in a physical body is a contradiction. There is no generalised concept of "travel" at a universal level because ever point in the universe is a subjective singularity. If I were to try to go "somewhere", it wouldn't exist when I got there (because it only existed within the subjective context of my departure point).

So the idea that people are "visiting us" (in the sense that I might visit my gran round the corner) is unreal. It's an extension of our earthbound concepts of travel which simply do not apply at a universal level.

[william r sanford72]

Nobody..nadda.not one gray or human ever once stopped and said hay..william..do you believe this ****..before we go any further..cause if you dont..well then maybe we got the wrong guy...if they did i still cant remember..not fully.ignorance still hooks me sometimes to but otherwise i stopped trying to convince anyone long ago.bill summed it as far as im concerned.i just tell it as i know it.my truth.if i gett the courage anyways or trigger.believe me or not.your choice not mine.good thread.

[OnyxKnight]

Look Onyx, I'm not here to argue with you. I'm really not. I'm just stating a personal warning. In all honesty, if you like Alex awesome. We can all learn things from folks with similiar temperments I suppose. I for one buy into almost all of the teachings of Carlos Castaneda, yet there is quite a bit of negative information out there that points to him using quite a bit of literary license to his writings.


Why would you accuse somebody of stealing something, if you can't say what it is. I'm sorry, I'm not in the mood of arguing either, but I do call bull**** when I see it. What really troubles me is that 95% of Billy Meier's supporters claim Alex Collier stole, I quote "most" of Billy's material, but when asked to provide insight as to what is stolen exactly, they all use evasion tactics, like you just did.

I was trying to make a point here, not to argue with you. You need to see that you are acquiring a herd mentality, conforming to a group's beliefs and claims, without second-guessing anything. If you don't question Billy, at least question yourself and your actions. When you can't provide logical answers to logical questions, maybe what you are defending lacks logic in the first place. Just saying.

I poke holes in Alex Collier's story too, those that support him know that about me, but like I said, if something is unjust, like the copying material claims of Michael Horn, I will respond without any doubt.


Don't get this the wrong way please. We are friends on this piece of virtual landscape for a reason. Some other day, a very rude, agressive and insulting person will ask you the same question, without you providing an answer. He will make you look like you follow fools like Michael Horn, who did more damage to Meier's testimony than Meier himself, because Michael was the first one to voice those stealing accusations.


Peace!

[conk]

When entertaining the idea of ETs traveling, we must surely redefine travel. In civilizations FAR more advanced than ours who knows what kind of technology or abilities have been learned. Perhaps the travel is through portals, stargates, or even dimensionally. We're like ant colonies to these advanced beings, with little to no understanding of our visitors. Anyway, in an infinite universe, there is infinite potential and possiblities. If you read the more advanced thinkers among us, they all say that anything and everything is true. There is a vibration for any conceivable thing, thought, scenario, deed/action. Then harmonics of those vibrations. Infininte potential!

We only think we're smart enough to discuss a topic like this.

[donk]

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Thought for the day:

Aliens (and many other things in this and others worlds) exist -- or not! -- no matter what you believe. The error may be believing that our beliefs are in any way important.

:)

Does this hold up when you replace "aliens and many other things" with "shadow gov't/black ops" or stalker or maliciously intended parasite?

I think if one of them things exist...our beliefs about whether they do are kinda important....on some level

[Flash]

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Until relatively recently, simple islanders in the South Pacific, with everything they ever thought they needed where they were born, lived and died, also thought they were the only people in the world.

Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. The world is a big place, and so is our galaxy, and so is the universe.


I really like that idea. I would have loved to have a lived a life like that having the earth provide everything I need. That seems like a vacation from our lives now.

We have, the planet is supplying. We just don't know or look at it the way it is.

I came to a realization, an inner deeply - well I do not know how to describe it - an epiphany, call it the way you want but it is actually shaking my whole being. I came to the realization up to the cellular levels and soul levels, that it is not the knife in the back, the reptilians, the difficulties encountered that are painful, in fact, it is the absence of love. Not hate, hate has nothing to do with it. It is the ABSENCE.

We often see it in a dichotomy, pleasure/pain, hate/love, etc. In fact, it is not a dichotomy, it is the plain absence of love that makes our lifes miserable. Absence of love IS hell.

So yes, if the reptilian have no love, they are in hell albeit not knowing it and they represent hell. With all its conséquences (fear - they probably are the most fearful of all, lust for conquest because of the thrill given and the hiding off of fear it brings, thrill, the only thing left to feel alive in the absence of love).

If my neighbour restrict his love, he is in hell and creates hell around himself. The pain is truly the love witheld (thanks Alex Collier and his mentors)

IT IS THE ABSENCE THAT HAS TO BE SOLVED, NOT THE NEGATIVITY, WE ARE USUALLY WORKING ON THE WRONG PREMISES, US HUMANS.

I wanted to be love and light, but I had never felt it that way. Now experienced: THE ABSENCE GOES TO A CELLULAR LEVEL, IT IS SOOO PAINFUL, INFINITELY PAINFUL. Not to feel it, we shut down and fall in dichotomy and polarities.

THERE IS N O T H I N G TO FIGHT AGAINST FOLKS, ONLY FILLING THE VOID WITH LOVE WILL BE ENOUGH, INFUSING THE ABSENCE.

Now, for the more intellectual ones, love could be equated with energy, light, vibration (the fundamental/primal vibration of the universe), source, they are all different aspects that can bring presence.

[shadowstalker]

ok,
My quest here was not to stear folks to into a tizzy about A.C. I merely posted the link to let folks know what I was learning at the time as I love to share with others.

My problem was not with the vid, but with the flawed judgmental post.

I was bored with the same old same old and when I read the title I got curious..
True he didn't say much out of what I have already learned, but i just his experience alone had me listening more.
Another perspective is what I was gunning for for and to a certain degree and I found it.

In truth the link I posted was merely a courtesy to my well meaning family here on this forum.

[jagman]

Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Thought for the day:

Aliens (and many other things in this and others worlds) exist -- or not! -- no matter what you believe. The error may be believing that our beliefs are in any way important.

I really don't buy into that Analogy, that we are know more but ants in a forest and why would you talk to an ant.
To my knowledge we (Humans) are a very unique lifeform that has the ability to pontificate & reason.

[Flash]

Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Thought for the day:

Aliens (and many other things in this and others worlds) exist -- or not! -- no matter what you believe. The error may be believing that our beliefs are in any way important.

I really don't buy into that Analogy, that we are know more but ants in a forest and why would you talk to an ant.
To my knowledge we (Humans) are a very unique lifeform that has the ability to pontificate & reason.

Jag, read my previous post, because at least to me, it seems this is the reason for us being here on the planet. We can not only pontificate and reason, at least at an ant level, but much much much more. We are here for the much much much more, not for pontification and reason. Pontification and reason are the result of the ABSENCE. (although our brain and body can be used to its maximum when coupled with PRESENCE - of love, energy, source, light, primer vibration, call it what you want).

Believing our beliefs are important is like ego trying to fill the ABSENCE. It does not mean we are ants, it just means we are looking with the wrong end of binocular (everything become much smaller than it is in reality).

[indigopete]

To my knowledge we (Humans) are a very unique lifeform that has the ability to pontificate & reason

That might be stretching it a bit when it comes to some specimens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc7NrxIJ8M0

Pondlife may be closer to it. Hopefully the aliens will tell the difference :) .

[shadowstalker]

(although our brain and body can be used to its maximum when coupled with PRESENCE - of love, energy, source, light, primer vibration, call it what you want).
I will take that and run with it. As it does fit in, Kinda with this thread (But hey all is one right?)

If we reach that level you speak of, we CAN Jagman speak to any living being on this and any other planet,
Case in point Dog/cat/horse whisperers and then continue it's expansion and there you have it, true communication with the all....

And I guarantee you, they will do more then just pontificate and reason, They probably have more to teach us then what we think what we know about them.

[jagman]

To my knowledge we (Humans) are a very unique lifeform that has the ability to pontificate & reason

That might be stretching it a bit when it comes to some specimens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc7NrxIJ8M0

Pondlife may be closer to it. Hopefully the aliens will tell the difference :) .

Ok, Some of us can pontificate & reason lol

[ghostrider]

if they are no ET's , then what were those disk in the ancient paintings and on cave walls ??? who did that and why ??? who were those giants moses saw that to them we are grasshoppers ??? where did they come from ??? and don't get me started about the pyramids, I'll go for days ... ET is real ... the stuff of myth and legend is truth, and earth mans truth is the stuff of myth and legend ... chew on that...

[nonesuch]

I think folks may be misinterpreting indigopete's ideas. I myself 'believe' that aliens 'exist' but that doesn't prove anything. I have seen a few 'ufos' in my lifetime. And the topic of both is certainly more interesting to me than the daily grind. But beyond reading about others' experiences I haven't consciously seen an alien.

Unless I have.

Yesterday I was talking with a friend about aliens and out of nowhere, that is without thinking about it, I said, "We are the aliens." I didn't even know what I meant (and maybe I'm behind the times and many of us already realize this), since I didn't feel I'd really originated the statement through normal thinking processes. I let it go at that, but wondered what I meant. Then today I read this thread. No offense to those who HAVE had some kind of experiences directly with aliens and alien crafts, but I find Indigopete's ideas spot on in terms of alternative group think that, like the elite, believe we are superior to others because of our special 'awakeness'. Guilty here.

Anyway, the thought, "we are the aliens' puts humanity in a less than central category in a cosmology that even considers 'aliens' as the word to describe life forms or at least, imagery of such. We ARE aliens to other forms of sentient life. We on Earth are NOT the greatest expression of "God" unless God likes to battle and win against "Himself/Herself." I think Indigopete's ideas that we're as much in an unconscious box as anyone else has merit. What connects us here? The belief in a 'them' that is not connected to an 'us' (the elite, evil aliens, demons, the mainstream)?

Keeping an open mind is even meaningless if the conclusions from that openness freeze into a preferred dogma. Besides, some say the mind is the problem, anyway. So an 'open mind' would be a mind that has a hole in it through which it sees beyond its abilities and acknowledges a 'reality' so vast that it might decide to call it quits and go drink a beer, or simply acknowledge the hole in its function and without retreat, let the chips fall where they may.

Aliens do exist. But who are they, and to whom?

[Calz]

Normally don't respond to a thread this developed without reading through it ... but simple gut reaction to the OP:


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[sirdipswitch]

Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Thought for the day:

Aliens (and many other things in this and others worlds) exist -- or not! -- no matter what you believe. The error may be believing that our beliefs are in any way important.

I really don't buy into that Analogy, that we are know more but ants in a forest and why would you talk to an ant.
To my knowledge we (Humans) are a very unique lifeform that has the ability to pontificate & reason.

Jag, read my previous post, because at least to me, it seems this is the reason for us being here on the planet. We can not only pontificate and reason, at least at an ant level, but much much much more. We are here for the much much much more, not for pontification and reason. Pontification and reason are the result of the ABSENCE. (although our brain and body can be used to its maximum when coupled with PRESENCE - of love, energy, source, light, primer vibration, call it what you want).

Believing our beliefs are important is like ego trying to fill the ABSENCE. It does not mean we are ants, it just means we are looking with the wrong end of binocular (everything become much smaller than it is in reality).



You, my friends are both correct.

We are completely unique, beings in this Universe, and is the reason some ET's come here. They know who and what, we are.

Through my own pontification and reasoning, I have discovered a couple of things, or three. ccc.

Some of which may be found here:

Started first.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47841-Adventures-Beyond-the-Body

And then this one 2nd:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul


But... only Pontifically Reasonable... by those of Understanding. cccc.:wizard:

[jiminii]

You are evading the question my friend :)


I asked, what has Alex stole from Billy Meier's account / material? You just went on to grab Alex's predictions.


If we waltz with that argument, Billy isn't doing much better in that department then Alex. If we take other aspects of it, he would be in worse place then Alex (in terms of validity).


Also, Billy's extraterrestrials are identical to the extraterrestrials another man in South Africa contacted in the early 50s. They also said they would next contact a one armed man in Switzerland on their departure. So, that Billy had some kind of contact, I have no doubts, there is an independent source confirming at least that.

Key thing is, the South African's alien contacts claimed they came from Alpha Centauri, and gave a pretty different version of things (although more believable), then the contacts of Billy, who claimed to came from the (or behind) the Pleiades and that were capable of going to the very ends of the observable universe and even traverse dimensions and other universes.

I would have liked Billy if he stayed with the truth, that he had contact, but probably not a reoccurring one. And that he didn't get much out of it.


Fabricating physical evidence is not the way to go.





Hey, I'm wrong all the time, I may be wrong here, but I will go ahead and ask in the hope of being enlightened.
Has Alex Collier had a prediction that came true? If so please let me know because I'm pretty sure nothing he has stated in the form of prediction has come to pass.
So, in so far as his predictions are concerned, unless someone can provide something, it would have to be relegated to the realm of fiction? Right?

His philosophies, regardless of what alien race he wants to attribute it to, can be found elsewhere.

I don't mean to be attacking anyone's beliefs. If you personally get a lot out of Alex more power to you.
But, I don't see anything wrong with folks who see falsehood offering a warning.

I get the same from billy and alex .... don't know where they got their data ... but they make it their own ... the thing is I have to look at what is .. and go from there ...

who is this guy from south africa ... ??? another contact ... I know my contact ... I was out of body ... and I know the difference between out of body and dreams .. and the recall from the ship ... the recall going so fast in such a short time ,.. and realization of my awareness of how to operate everything on the ship ... and also how to repair it is all there ... just bip bip bip bip ... and then the gray getting my attention with telepathy ...

this is all KNOWINGNESS ... DO YOU KNOW WHAT KNOWINGNESS IS??? ... well if something grabbed your leg and it wasn't coming from awareness unit that is only aware of this body ... and this inner entity just grabs the leg ... and shoves it onto the brake of the car for 3 to 5 seconds .. of burning rubber to stop the car ... (with no cars in either lane in front of you ... therefore why would this part of my body that is aware of ONLY the body be so surprised that another part of me moved the leg?) then you see a car come out the side street and miss you by a few inches ... and if I didn't put the foot on the brake .. the girl on my right side would be dead ....

now you can interpret this anyway you want ... but if you were there and feeling it ... ??? it is easy for anyone to invalidate anything if they haven't seen it themselves ...this is just the part of you that does not want to take responsibility for your own knowingness ...

this other part of me ,.. starts up the rain in less than a minute in thailand .. in a TOTALLY CLEAR SKY coming down FULL FORCE .. so I ran into the house soaked to the bone ... and then this part of me wanted me to see something. suddenly gives me the awareness of my astral hand and lets me move it out the window and contact the storm .. and with a slight movement in and out ... slam the storm into the house and away from the house to the exact movement of this astral fingers (I could feel it connect to the storm itself) .. and shake the house so bad it scared this awareness of the body ONLY and I pulled the astral hand back quickly ... and thought ... "if I did it any harder than that I could have pulled the entire house down on me"

there are many more . more than I can count and more impossible to believe ... BUT THEY HAPPEN ... .... so the inside of me ... allows me to know what it is willing to let me know ... when these miracles happen and that is ALL ... because I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS REALITY ...WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS TRAPPED IN SO I HAVE A VIEWPOINT THAT CAN HELP ME TO SEE WAYS TO FREE OTHERS FROM THE TRAP ..

oh it would be great to have that ability turned on anytime I want ... I could get pissed at some CIA official and just take his entire building down in an instant ..

and then WHAT WOULD HE SEE ??? .. He would see his IMPLANTS .that would dictate something else ... like a DEVIL .. that needs to be brought down ...

so you can agree with all this OTHER THINK ... that comes out of the IMPLANTS ... that trapped you in this body ... and keeps you in this prison ,..

or you can LOOK and try to find out the truth ... because there is one thing i am VERY SURE OF ... WHEN YOU ARE DEAD ... AND YOU FIND OUT THAT WHAT i AM SAYING IS TRUE ... IT WILL BE TOO LATE ... AND YOU MIGHT START TO GET YOUR REAL MEMORY BACK UNTIL SOMETHING TRIGGERS YOU INTO AN IMPLANT STATION ,, AND YOU WILL BE BACK HERE ..

so it is totally OK with me if you want to DEFEAT YOURSELF .. WE can ONLY salvage THOSE who can TOSS their BELIEVE systems away .. and START .. LOOKING FOR ANSWERS YOU CAN SEE ... and if Alex or Billy .. can help with a little bit of their data .. then you start to open doors that you lead you out of this hell hole

I got mine from Alex's interview of september of 2012 .. where he said we came from the future .. and we are coming back to fix this part of the time track ...

that just OPENED THE DOOR ... for the rest ... I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE HE GOT THE DATA ... whether it comes just from him or from some dream of being in communication with some aliens ... or he made it up himself ...

I was able to locate why none of the processing worked on me in scientology ... because THEY were trying to get me to look in my PAST ,,,
but I WAS CREATED NEW IN THE FUTURE AND SENT BACK HERE ..
the purpose was and still is ... to make us UNTRACEABLE ,.. so they can NOT get any information from us that could help them DAMAGE OUR CHANCES ...

so yes ... you have to confront IMPLANTS .. like HYPNOTIC COMMANDS ... they put in you to MAKE YOU LOSE YOUR MEMORY ...and POWER ... so they can TRAP YOU HERE IN THIS INSANE REALITY ...

if you want to operate off BELIEVE SYSTEMS ... up to you ... but it won't get you off this planet ...

I have NOTHING AGAINST THIS JESUS .. he was what he was ... and he lived in north india and got his abilities there ... from that .. they took all his teachings and altered them to make a control religion ... those belief systems will do EVERYTHING but get you FREE ,,,

jim

[sirdipswitch]

(although our brain and body can be used to its maximum when coupled with PRESENCE - of love, energy, source, light, primer vibration, call it what you want).
I will take that and run with it. As it does fit in, Kinda with this thread (But hey all is one right?)

If we reach that level you speak of, we CAN Jagman speak to any living being on this and any other planet,
Case in point Dog/cat/horse whisperers and then continue it's expansion and there you have it, true communication with the all....

And I guarantee you, they will do more then just pontificate and reason, They probably have more to teach us then what we think what we know about them.

We have the Ability to communicate with anything! Even a Rock! cc.

[shadowstalker]

(although our brain and body can be used to its maximum when coupled with PRESENCE - of love, energy, source, light, primer vibration, call it what you want).
I will take that and run with it. As it does fit in, Kinda with this thread (But hey all is one right?)

If we reach that level you speak of, we CAN Jagman speak to any living being on this and any other planet,
Case in point Dog/cat/horse whisperers and then continue it's expansion and there you have it, true communication with the all....

And I guarantee you, they will do more then just pontificate and reason, They probably have more to teach us then what we think what we know about them.

We have the Ability to communicate with anything! Even a Rock! cc.

SO TRUE :cool: :wizard:

[jiminii]

I think folks may be misinterpreting indigopete's ideas. I myself 'believe' that aliens 'exist' but that doesn't prove anything. I have seen a few 'ufos' in my lifetime. And the topic of both is certainly more interesting to me than the daily grind. But beyond reading about others' experiences I haven't consciously seen an alien.

Unless I have.

Yesterday I was talking with a friend about aliens and out of nowhere, that is without thinking about it, I said, "We are the aliens." I didn't even know what I meant (and maybe I'm behind the times and many of us already realize this), since I didn't feel I'd really originated the statement through normal thinking processes. I let it go at that, but wondered what I meant. Then today I read this thread. No offense to those who HAVE had some kind of experiences directly with aliens and alien crafts, but I find Indigopete's ideas spot on in terms of alternative group think that, like the elite, believe we are superior to others because of our special 'awakeness'. Guilty here.

Anyway, the thought, "we are the aliens' puts humanity in a less than central category in a cosmology that even considers 'aliens' as the word to describe life forms or at least, imagery of such. We ARE aliens to other forms of sentient life. We on Earth are NOT the greatest expression of "God" unless God likes to battle and win against "Himself/Herself." I think Indigopete's ideas that we're as much in an unconscious box as anyone else has merit. What connects us here? The belief in a 'them' that is not connected to an 'us' (the elite, evil aliens, demons, the mainstream)?

Keeping an open mind is even meaningless if the conclusions from that openness freeze into a preferred dogma. Besides, some say the mind is the problem, anyway. So an 'open mind' would be a mind that has a hole in it through which it sees beyond its abilities and acknowledges a 'reality' so vast that it might decide to call it quits and go drink a beer, or simply acknowledge the hole in its function and without retreat, let the chips fall where they may.

Aliens do exist. But who are they, and to whom?

yes we are the aliens it is just these bodies we are in might not look like the same bodies we had before we came here

jim

[jiminii]

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Until relatively recently, simple islanders in the South Pacific, with everything they ever thought they needed where they were born, lived and died, also thought they were the only people in the world.

Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. The world is a big place, and so is our galaxy, and so is the universe.


I really like that idea. I would have loved to have a lived a life like that having the earth provide everything I need. That seems like a vacation from our lives now.

We have, the planet is supplying. We just don't know or look at it the way it is.

I came to a realization, an inner deeply - well I do not know how to describe it - an epiphany, call it the way you want but it is actually shaking my whole being. I came to the realization up to the cellular levels and soul levels, that it is not the knife in the back, the reptilians, the difficulties encountered that are painful, in fact, it is the absence of love. Not hate, hate has nothing to do with it. It is the ABSENCE.

We often see it in a dichotomy, pleasure/pain, hate/love, etc. In fact, it is not a dichotomy, it is the plain absence of love that makes our lifes miserable. Absence of love IS hell.

So yes, if the reptilian have no love, they are in hell albeit not knowing it and they represent hell. With all its conséquences (fear - they probably are the most fearful of all, lust for conquest because of the thrill given and the hiding off of fear it brings, thrill, the only thing left to feel alive in the absence of love).

If my neighbour restrict his love, he is in hell and creates hell around himself. The pain is truly the love witheld (thanks Alex Collier and his mentors)

IT IS THE ABSENCE THAT HAS TO BE SOLVED, NOT THE NEGATIVITY, WE ARE USUALLY WORKING ON THE WRONG PREMISES, US HUMANS.

I wanted to be love and light, but I had never felt it that way. Now experienced: THE ABSENCE GOES TO A CELLULAR LEVEL, IT IS SOOO PAINFUL, INFINITELY PAINFUL. Not to feel it, we shut down and fall in dichotomy and polarities.

THERE IS N O T H I N G TO FIGHT AGAINST FOLKS, ONLY FILLING THE VOID WITH LOVE WILL BE ENOUGH, INFUSING THE ABSENCE.

Now, for the more intellectual ones, love could be equated with energy, light, vibration (the fundamental/primal vibration of the universe), source, they are all different aspects that can bring presence.

there is NO ABSENCE of Love .... Love is what a spirit is NATIVE TOO ... wanted to be close to everything learning everything .. WE ARE ALL LOVE ... but we have been programmed to believe ... WE ARE SEPARATE ... with this ELITE going in with their mercenaries and breaking up groups .. and splitting people apart and all the media ... is there to convince everyone there is no love ...

but if we compare it to Reptilians ... THERE IS NO LOVE ... they are run by GE's only (genetic entities .. ghost .. that only control and manage bodies ... can not originate NEW THOUGHT) ... they are robots .. controlled by some queen bee ... at the top ... so this separates them from actual contact .. so they can look at us like we look at ants .. and just smash the ant hill ... with not thought for or against ...

the love is here ... it is just we have been setup to believe there is not ,...

jim

[gripreaper]

Energy flows through us. We attract it from the source field, and we emanate it out into the field. Beliefs hold energy. It slows it down, sequesters it, and can sever it from consciousness. Beliefs can also amplify certain energies when stuck in a meme, and the elite know damn full well how to manipulate the memes to keep our collective energy vibrating in very narrow bandwidth. It does not matter what the belief is, or where it comes from, it stymies the flow of energy. Some beliefs have been held for lifetimes and are so grooved into our DNA, that they are virtually impossible to dislodge. These grooved beliefs actually sever certain energies from the whole, and cause short circuits.

This is what it means to be "in the world, but not of it" or, the observer rather than the object of the observation. Read Bruce Lipton's "The Biology of Belief"

[shadowstalker]

to be "in the world, but not of it"
I have always loved those quotes, They have such deep meaning and truth.

[Flash]

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Until relatively recently, simple islanders in the South Pacific, with everything they ever thought they needed where they were born, lived and died, also thought they were the only people in the world.

Most of us, including the person who wrote the YouTube comment in post #1, are still just like those islanders. The world is a big place, and so is our galaxy, and so is the universe.


I really like that idea. I would have loved to have a lived a life like that having the earth provide everything I need. That seems like a vacation from our lives now.

We have, the planet is supplying. We just don't know or look at it the way it is.

I came to a realization, an inner deeply - well I do not know how to describe it - an epiphany, call it the way you want but it is actually shaking my whole being. I came to the realization up to the cellular levels and soul levels, that it is not the knife in the back, the reptilians, the difficulties encountered that are painful, in fact, it is the absence of love. Not hate, hate has nothing to do with it. It is the ABSENCE.

We often see it in a dichotomy, pleasure/pain, hate/love, etc. In fact, it is not a dichotomy, it is the plain absence of love that makes our lifes miserable. Absence of love IS hell.

So yes, if the reptilian have no love, they are in hell albeit not knowing it and they represent hell. With all its conséquences (fear - they probably are the most fearful of all, lust for conquest because of the thrill given and the hiding off of fear it brings, thrill, the only thing left to feel alive in the absence of love).

If my neighbour restrict his love, he is in hell and creates hell around himself. The pain is truly the love witheld (thanks Alex Collier and his mentors)

IT IS THE ABSENCE THAT HAS TO BE SOLVED, NOT THE NEGATIVITY, WE ARE USUALLY WORKING ON THE WRONG PREMISES, US HUMANS.

I wanted to be love and light, but I had never felt it that way. Now experienced: THE ABSENCE GOES TO A CELLULAR LEVEL, IT IS SOOO PAINFUL, INFINITELY PAINFUL. Not to feel it, we shut down and fall in dichotomy and polarities.

THERE IS N O T H I N G TO FIGHT AGAINST FOLKS, ONLY FILLING THE VOID WITH LOVE WILL BE ENOUGH, INFUSING THE ABSENCE.

Now, for the more intellectual ones, love could be equated with energy, light, vibration (the fundamental/primal vibration of the universe), source, they are all different aspects that can bring presence.

there is NO ABSENCE of Love .... Love is what a spirit is NATIVE TOO ... wanted to be close to everything learning everything .. WE ARE ALL LOVE ... but we have been programmed to believe ... WE ARE SEPARATE ... with this ELITE going in with their mercenaries and breaking up groups .. and splitting people apart and all the media ... is there to convince everyone there is no love ...

but if we compare it to Reptilians ... THERE IS NO LOVE ... they are run by GE's only (genetic entities .. ghost .. that only control and manage bodies ... can not originate NEW THOUGHT) ... they are robots .. controlled by some queen bee ... at the top ... so this separates them from actual contact .. so they can look at us like we look at ants .. and just smash the ant hill ... with not thought for or against ...

the love is here ... it is just we have been setup to believe there is not ,...

jim

I understood what you say Jimmy. But you did not understand mine.

"we have, the planet is supplying, we just do not look at it this way!", meaning we have love, from the planet itself to start with.

IT IS THE ABSENCE THAT HAS TO BE SOLVED (ME) "but if we compare it to Reptilians ... THERE IS NO LOVE ... they are run by GE's only (genetic entities .. ghost .. that only control and manage bodies ... can not originate NEW THOUGHT) ... they are robots .. controlled by some queen bee ... at the top ... so this separates them from actual contact .. so they can look at us like we look at ants .. and just smash the ant hill ... with not thought for or against ... " (You Jim)

Exactly, precisely. There is no love with Reptilians because they are lead by genetic entities, ghost, that control and manage bodies. There is no love there. Yet, these entities control a good part of humanity through false beliefs. Seeing that around is very painful, seeing human souls getting into the souless is very painful. This is the ABSENCE OF LOVE. No pro, no cons, no thoughts for or against, just an absence to notice. Nothing to fight against.

Therefore, to change the planet, "
THERE IS N O T H I N G TO FIGHT AGAINST FOLKS, ONLY FILLING THE VOID WITH LOVE WILL BE ENOUGH, INFUSING THE ABSENCE" with love (energie, primordial vibrations, light, what you want to call it). We just have to will it. That is all and that is ALL.

Of course there is love, all over, everywhere, we just have to will it, an act of will from the heart.

No fight, just will, from the heart, combined, this is a bulldozer man. Because with it comes unshakable truth. Everywhere.

[mojo]

Some contactees have kept silent about their encounters. What testimony they could share with us. Highly doubt they would share. And this is not a putdown to those with an alternative view. Most contactees are likely not out to convince anyone. Interesting the only ones making the splash are the skeptics.

[shadowstalker]

Some contactees have kept silent about their encounters. What testimony they could share with us. Highly doubt they would share. And this is not a putdown to those with an alternative view. Most contactees are likely not out to convince anyone. Interesting the only ones making the splash are the skeptics.
AGREED in these cases your damned if you do and damned if you don't

[shadowstalker]

The dudes rebuttal: The same typical response I nearly always get

The oxen moron or oxen fesses is the one who separates the two. Most so-called abductions happen with occult activities like spiritual manifestations and poltergeist activities. The two are connected. There is hardly enough space here to explain to you the dynamics why these things must happen. Your vain arrogance and feelings of self-importance wont get you the answers you seek. I mean who am I to question a Most Powerful immortal God? Not that you will actually get it.


My reply:

Ask your self these few questions. Do I have free will, true free will choice over my soul? Do I have free will true free will over the choices i make for my own life?
Your right on a few things but not all abductions are do to occult activities and not all manifestations are demon (catch-all phrase for ANY negative Being) TYPE entities... As for me being vain and or arrogant, no that was me trying to show you a different door to look through, a different perspective, self importance has nothing to do with being strong enough to point out others flaws to help them out to something out of the programmed box, Sorry you really and truly feel that way.
And with that in mind I think The dogmatic life is seriously not for me, Namaste have fun and truly and for real enjoy life.

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I guess what bothers me about this guy is the fact that he used his religion to bully a stranger, and then claimed to know better then the person he was hurting, I guess I just can't handle bullies, especially when I see another human being in emotional stress...

[OnyxKnight]

Oh, you need a physical body, trust me. You cannot fully explore a rich world with you being just energy/thought, even less, communicate with a species effectively. Not all forms of life have a sleep cycle/dream-like state, not all forms of life are telepathic (at least not yet), not all can feel or experience something of that nature like some of us can here, on Earth. Communication is key, and thus, a body serves that purpose well. Even if they did came here by thought/energy/astral projection/what have you ... They'd need a body when they get here, and access, to something that can build their body effectively. Don't see where else that would be other than a spaceship.

You can't expect our science to have the total understanding of the fabric of the cosmos, and how it works. Einstein was a smart man but not the smartest person in the universe. We are just beginning to unfold a new area in science loosely dubbed new physics, that has such extraordinary implications for our future selves, I'm not sure I can deliver it in words good enough. We're talking teleportation, astral amalgamation, instant communication (anywhere in the universe), superluminal travel, and even instantaneous travel (via wormholes/portals/etc.).

A lot of the "space highway", if I can put it that way, is already built and in place, by old, advanced civilizations that are either long gone by now, or are still around, but totally undetectable, even by other, present, advanced civilizations. Some of them have left instructions, maps, advice. Many have not, and younger space traveling species have to figure things out for themselves.

There are planetary portals. Its like a two way vacuum door. They connect only terrestrial planets, that are either dead, have atmosphere, have biosphere, or are inhabited by intelligent life. One example of this is Earth and Mars. There are specific "codes" you need to arrange in the quantum world that trigger the opening mechanism. I'm not sure how quantum particles, and a random specific arrangement of them, can cause a set, real time, protrusion in the fabric of space, but there you go, something that we, and more likely, our physicists, need to ponder with as a thought. The neat thing is, even if somebody, somehow, places Mars in the Andromeda galaxy, the portal would still work and only require a few seconds of travel. The other neat thing is, the cultures that did inhabit Mars and Earth in ancient times, didn't set this travel mechanism in place. It was already there. With instructions on how to use it.

There are other types of "portals" (I call them that way, because they are not exactly a wormhole equivalent, if we look at the nature of their characteristics), that connect two points in space. It could be two points in an empty vacuum, or two points between say, separate star systems. They can also be two points between the mantles of two planets. Something you do not wish to use, as you might end up in the core of a planet, at the arrival point. These are "unfinished constructions", when it comes to space travel. Like an unfinished bridge.

There is exotic matter that can be used for fast space travel, there is also antigravity, electro-magnetism. Superluminal travel exists, between not so distant places and its usually used for trade and commerce, or relocation to places that do not exhibit these before mentioned, portals, or other types of "easy access travel".

There are Stellar gates too. Usually only far advanced civilizations use them to travel through them. The other side of the gate is another sun, in another star system. If you can imagine a web between the stars above, that's how it would look like. The younger the star, the fewer "connections" it has in that cosmic web, the older (more giant) the star, the more connections it forms. Also the stars that are more red have most connections then those that are more blue. Our sun in comparison seems to be very moderate in that area. This is why advanced civilizations regularly inhabit asteroids, planetoids, planets, or at least build space stations around big, giant stars like Antares, Arcturus, Aldebaran or Mirach. Its not that they have a "thing" for giant stars, since there are more pleasant star systems to inhabit, but because of the type of travel that can be used there. The closer you are to the core of the galaxy, the more connections giant stars there form.

There are space "corridors" that occur naturally, but these are not use often, as they mostly don't lead anywhere specific. They could get you closer to a certain location, but you'd have to travel more to reach a destination etc. Then there are the wormholes. They also occur naturally for the most part, but the natural ones have periodic instability. Artificial wormholes, have stable structure for long periods of time, and usually connect very distant spaces, from opposite ends of a galaxy to another galaxy entirely, to a whole completely separate cluster of galaxies. The artificial ones are also not easily used, they require certain advancement in space travel technology, so not many species use them. Even so, travel is by far not limited in any way.

These limitations that pop up, with the means of travel I brought up previously, only serve to diminish the influence spacefaring species can have on other spacefaring, or planetbound species. It also serves not to give too much advantage of early bloomer civilizations, and them to colonize most suitable worlds, and use up all resources and thus limit the growth, and in many cases, the lifetime of other species/civilizations. This is why, with these limitations, only the local area of space, some 2500 light years in total, is more thoroughly explored, than further on. Thanks to these portals, some other pockets of this galaxy have been explored, but not many, and not with as much detail as these 25 hundred light years. Yet, as you (and many others have seen), even in these 2500+ light years, there is so much life (pointing to the visitations we get).

As to your claim, that these beings and craft are terrestrial in origin. I disagree. True, we have alien elements working underground along with human population, and they do fly with craft, but that hardly is 5% of the total activity out there. The rest must come from somewhere else. Before you ask, I did step on the ground of one of my contacts' planet. They do have a separate home where they live. Its not far away. You would have known if it was fake if it happened to you. Different shade of sunlight, different flora, different gravity (I felt heavier there), and even the air you breathe is different.

In the end, I hope you at least give this some thought if nothing else. If you feel strongly about this subject, not much can change your mind or views. Take it as a food for thought.

I do wonder though, what evidence that they come from elsewhere would be sufficient to convince you that this is the case?




remember that these people haven't figured it out yet


That is the same kind of small mindedness that made people believe that the earth was flat


shadowstalker -

I think we should be careful when we patronise others or dismiss their views over a subject which is still the realm of speculation.

I accept that there is a vast amount of evidence of a "phenomenon", including your own. But it's quite a huge leap to go from there to concluding that "aliens" are making journeys here in physical bodies.

I think we underestimate how "programmed" we are by years of star-trek type conditioning which focuses on transportation in the physical realm (i.e. travelling around space in "tin cans").

When thinking about the subject of interstellar life, we need to completely change the way we perceive our existence - most of which is in the metaphysical, not the physical. For example, try dividing the length of your physical lifetime by the age of the universe. You will end up with a fraction so ridiculously small that it's almost insignificant. On the other hand take the compliment of that fraction, you'll end up with a huge number.

So why do we insist on focusing on what goes on in the tiny fraction instead of the huge one ?

Why is it so "small minded" to suggest that physical life (the tiny fraction) might not be the least bit interested in travelling huge distances in a physical body when they can get there in an instant during the entire duration of the "huge fraction" of time I mentioned above ?

There are 2 things that I think many UFO-agenda followers (I include myself in that group) don't fully grasp:

[1] - the sheer magnitude of the physical times and distances implied by inter-galactic travel

[2] - despite the abundance of evidence of abductions, sightings of "extraterrestials" and so on, the complete absence of evidence that they originated from other parts of the galaxy

[sigma6]

Have you ever seen an alien?

Massachusetts -Springfield - 2004
I was sleeping in my bed, with my head two feet from the living room window. I heard this singing at the top of my head, at the same time I saw in the back of my head a hand and a crystal, I am not even sure what kind of hand it was as I got to images at the same time, this hand was threw the window but not, along with it's body.
I had woken up and felt really refreshed but odd, but at the same time safe. At the same time I could hear the whole neighborhood speaking and having conversations, this was around 5:00 A.M. I thought to myself cool I can do this, It was awesome to hear so much and I heard the baby next door speak English tho' it was a Spanish speaking family.
Well after a few minutes I needed to go to the bathroom, when I was done with that I went to go back to bed. I laid down in bed and then I started to relax, when all of the sudden I saw a bright light at my kitchen door and two figures (appeared to be Grey,one tall one short, no clothing) closing the door and that is the only thing that scared me for all that I went threw for that night.


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This post caught my attention... here is a YouTube about that super soldier summit (a little over my head) but after the short "wannabe" guy, the next interview (Tyler Clark) sounds more legitimate and claims a similar experience about an arm reaching out without a body... and it also reminds me of that by now very famous video popularized by Mexican Journalist Jaime Maussan with the two kids playing ball in what looks to be some kind of alley way, and an arm (with some torso) reaches out from behind a post to grab one of them...

So there appears to be some corroboration... some interdimensional aspect, interesting that you were experiencing psychic abilities at the time, (almost like their field seems to extend to others around possibly) And I like your reaction, I can totally relate to that... lol... Also in Maussan's example, he said there was a definite anomalous radioactive signal at the very spot for a very long time... Ahhh... the things we don't know, which will hopefully be revealed some day. (when we are spiritually mature enough I suppose)

Another alien "reaching out to touch someone"
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[Keltikmuse]

When I was younger I used to see beings at the end of my bed. They stood there and looked. I felt they were male but there were no features as they were almost transparent. I was never frightened until they left. They were shimmery with a light behind them like the sun was directly behind. Of course my parents thought I was dreaming as when they disappeared I used to scream . I felt terrible fear. I have slept with the light on all my life since those times and always believed until my 30's that they were ghosts of some sort but then research led me to believe they could have possible been aliens. Who knows..but as I was young I was open to visits maybe and now I would love it to happen again it doesn't. Should I turn my light off? lol.

[Flash]

sorry, wrote at the wrong place

[shadowstalker]

Man oh man I really need a printer :(