'World's oldest calendar' discovered in Scottish field

[Cidersomerset]

I have noticed over the past 20 years that the time scale of our ancestors has
been creeping back from about 6,000 yrs ago to nearer the ice age 12,000 years
ago when researchers like Graham Hancock suggest a lost civilisation.

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first with the 'ice mans' bronze axe , Gobekli Tepi , Adams Calender and other sites
and discoveries. This does not conflict with me that higher civilisations were here
before and could have been running parallel and still with us today as we have been
gradually evolving over the past 10,000 yrs.

You only have to look at the few remaining stone age cultures with us today in the
Amazon forrest or New Guinea to realise it is possible.

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'World's oldest calendar' discovered in Scottish field


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15 July 2013 Last updated at 03:01

'World's oldest calendar' discovered in Scottish field
Vid on BBC link...

Professor Vince Gaffney, an expert in landscape archaeology, explains what the pits
appear to showArchaeologists believe they have discovered the world's oldest
lunar "calendar" in an Aberdeenshire field.Excavations of a field at Crathes Castle
found a series of 12 pits which appear to mimic the phases of the moon and track
lunar months.A team led by the University of Birmingham suggests the ancient
monument was created by hunter-gatherers about 10,000 years ago.

The pit alignment, at Warren Field, was first excavated in 2004.

The experts who analysed the pits said they may have contained a wooden post.

The Mesolithic "calendar" is thousands of years older than previous known formal
time-measuring monuments created in Mesopotamia.

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The analysis has been published in the journal, Internet Archaeology.

The pit alignment also aligns on the Midwinter sunrise to provided the hunter-
gatherers with an annual "astronomic correction" in order to better follow the
passage of time and changing seasons.Vince Gaffney, Professor of Landscape
Archaeology at Birmingham, led the analysis project.He said: "The evidence
suggests that hunter-gatherer societies in Scotland had both the need and
sophistication to track time across the years, to correct for seasonal drift of the
lunar year and that this occurred nearly 5,000 years before the first formal
calendars known in the Near East.

"In doing so, this illustrates one important step towards the formal construction of
time and therefore history itself."

An illustration of how the pits would have worked An illustration of how the pits
would have worked The universities of St Andrews, Leicester and Bradford were
also involved.Dr Richard Bates, of the University of St Andrews, said the discovery
provided "exciting new evidence" of the early Mesolithic Scotland.

He added: "This is the earliest example of such a structure and there is no known
comparable site in Britain or Europe for several thousands of years after the
monument at Warren Field was constructed."

The Warren Field site was first discovered as unusual crop marks spotted from the
air by the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland
(RCAHMS).

Dave Cowley, aerial survey projects manager at RCAHMS, said: "We have been
taking photographs of the Scottish landscape for nearly 40 years, recording
thousands of archaeological sites that would never have been detected from the
ground.

"Warren Field stands out as something special, however. It is remarkable to think
that our aerial survey may have helped to find the place where time itself was
invented."Prof Vince Gaffney Prof Vince Gaffney led the project to analyse the pits
at Warren Field Crathes Castle and its estate is in the care of the National Trust for
Scotland (NTS).From 2004 to 2006, trust staff and Murray Archaeological Services
excavated the site.

NTS archaeologist Dr Shannon Fraser said: "This is a remarkable monument, which
is so far unique in Britain.

"Our excavations revealed a fascinating glimpse into the cultural lives of people
some 10,000 years ago - and now this latest discovery further enriches our
understanding of their relationship with time and the heavens."

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[Wind]

"A team led by the University of Birmingham suggests the ancient
monument was created by hunter-gatherers about 10,000 years ago."
Really? They don't have a clue about our past at all, now do they? :laugh:

[northstar]

Great post Cidersomerset. Thanks for connecting the dots and including Graham Hancock's work.

Scientists and academics are odd. They are most often extremely intelligent people but at the same time many of them have great difficulty accepting new ideas, new facts and new approaches.

I would love it if these new (and exciting) stories of human history were widely known and accepted but I suspect it will be years before that happens.

[HaulinBananas]

I watched Dr. Semir Osmangich's interview and lecture and it was well illustrated - with many ancient pyramids worldwide - and enjoyable because of his sense of humor. He directly addresses the strange behavior of academics in the face of discovery and investigation of ancient history. Sometimes with a graphic collage of the various members of various institutions that deny the existence of huge structures. It's a hoot and very educational to watch.

Unfortunately, some of the academics who were interested, and did participate with Dr. Osmangich paid with their job, or had their retirement threatened, or were discredited, despite their impressive credentials and experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aSQeoaKRow
Earth-Keeper : Dr Semir Osmangich & J Tyberonn - Pyramids of Bosnia

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Northstar I'm having a Graham Hancock Day...LOL..

The other thread I put up has a couple excellent recent 2013 presentations
by Graham....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61207-Graham-Hancock-The-Lost-Ark-of-the-Covenant-2013-updated-presentation....with-J-Tyberonn&p=702847#post702847




Great post Cidersomerset. Thanks for connecting the dots and including Graham Hancock's work.

Scientists and academics are odd. They are most often extremely intelligent people but at the same time many of them have great difficulty accepting new ideas, new facts and new approaches.

I would love it if these new (and exciting) stories of human history were widely known and accepted but I suspect it will be years before that happens.


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Published on 9 Apr 2013


Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, authors of the best selling book The Sphinx
Mystery, present startling evidence from our ancient past. One of the most
intriguing pieces of evidence pointing to a forgotten period of time in human history
is a series of ancient maps which show extremely accurate details of the Earth from
at least 12000 years ago.

The Orontius Phineas, Piri Reis, and Mercator map all show parts of the Earth that
were only present during pre-deluvian times, as well as inexplicably accurate
drawings of the topography of Antarctica.These drawings of what Antarctica looked
like beneath the ice, could only have been achieved if ancient man had technology
at least equal to what we have today.


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[Cidersomerset]

Graham sums up what many of us instinctively feel, mainstream
history does not feel right and we are missing many pieces that
seem to be purposely hidden from us by one group or another
whether for invested interests or more sinister design.


Graham Hancock, his fact findings views on our Ancient past

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[Cidersomerset]

Things are changing all the time another article just in....

8,000 year old fertiliser, bit by bit, mainstream are creeping back !! ..LOL


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16 July 2013 Last updated at 17:58

Neolithic farmers used manure on cropsBy Melissa Hogenboom

Science reporter, BBC News


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Artwork of Neolithic village Neolithic farmers are thought to have invested in plots
of land Europe's first farmers used livestock manure on their crops 8,000 years
ago, new research has found.Neolithic samples from charred crop remains
contained the type of nitrogen also abundant in manure.This suggests farmers took
a longer-term approach to cultivating their land, rather than leading a nomadic
lifestyle.

The study, published in PNAS, could also shed new light on what early farmers ate.

The introduction of farming was one of the most important cultural shifts in history.
This age of agriculture defines the Neolithic period, also known as the New Stone
Age.Until now, it was believed that using manure to fertilise crops was not
developed until the Iron Age, the period before the Romans invaded Britain in AD43.

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Charred crop remains Charred remains were preserved in Neolithic houses
destroyed by fire Neolithic farmers were previously believed to maintain a nomadic
lifestyle, perhaps a relic from hunter-gatherer days.But now researchers suggest
they invested in plots of land and cultivated it for future generations.

'Fixed investments'

Manuring crops involves a long-term investment in arable land. As dung breaks
down slowly, crops benefit from its nutrients over many years.A team led by Amy
Bogaard from the University of Oxford found the stable isotope nitrogen-15 (N15),
which is abundant in manure, in the charred cereal grains and pulses from 13
Neolithic sites across Europe.

"These results point to a different kind of farming where they were making fixed
investments in land that they intended to hang onto and pass onto future
generations," Dr Bogaard told BBC News. This shift also had a radical social effect,
as different families would have claimed plots of land and sought to hold onto those
plots, she added.

"The idea that farmland could be cared for by the same family for generations
seems quite an advanced notion, but rich fertile land would have been viewed as
extremely valuable for the growing of crops.

"We believe that as land was viewed as a commodity to be inherited, social
differences in early European farming communities started to emerge between the
haves and the have-nots."

Naked wheat grain from Koufovouno, southern Greece Scientists analysed charred
crop remains such as wheat

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The study may also alter the view of what Stone Age farmers ate. As manure is rich
in N15, the crops fertilised with manure, and those who ate the crops, also had
high N15 enrichment, explained Dr Bogaard. Previously it was thought human fossil
remains from this time had high values of N15 due to a diet rich in meat. The
researchers now suggest that previous studies may have wrongly inferred that

Neolithic farmers had a meat-rich diet. Juan Pedro Ferrio from the University de
Lleida, Spain, said: "There are other possible environmental factors, such as high
temperature and rain, which could increase N15."But he added that manuring -
whether accidentally or on purpose - was a likely explanation, and that it was clear
Neolithic farmers were eating grain more enriched with N15 compared to the values
of leaves of the same plant.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23314510

[Cidersomerset]

I have not seen this one yet, I was looking for something from Robert as
he has done a lot of work with Graham.....


Egypt Exposed: True Origins of Civilization By Robert Bauval, Secrets of Egypt Revealed

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Published on 6 Feb 2013


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Almost everything we once believed about the origins of our civilization is about to be undermined in the revelation of a lifetime.

Robert Bauval is a best selling author of numerous books and has appeared on
television and radio around the world. His discovery about the pyramid complex at
Giza called the Orion Correlation, made him headline news. Now in this unique film
he brings to light startling new evidence regarding the very origins of civilization.

Tracing mankind's ancient roots back in time and across the landscape of Egypt and
Africa, Bauval points to a remarkable site with definitive evidence that Egyptian
civilization emerged from a very different origin than we are lead to believe. He
points to amazing knowledge about precession and astronomy previously
unrecognized.

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That is too cool...

I wonder if Bolivian sun gate predates it

[Rex]

...Scientists and academics are odd. They are most often extremely intelligent people but at the same time many of them have great difficulty accepting new ideas, new facts and new approaches...

And great difficulty accepting the fact that there are people and other beings that are smarter and/or way more evolved than they/we are.

[DeDukshyn]

The world's oldest Calendar is actually based in astrology - one revolution = ~26,000 years. The ancients built us monuments in different ages, to mark in time when it was built. But since the "introduced" Christian paradigm of creation, Christianity had to demonize astrology (where previously the two where intricately linked via ancient texts and teachings), to go along with the "new" paradigm of belief that says: "6000 years ago we emerged from caves and learned how to farm, and no humanity activity before this point is interesting or real." -- A powerful program, but also a lie. It really gets interesting when one considers what the motivations might be for this lie. Ancient human "history" is one of the most fiercely defended lies of the super elite ... makes ya wonder ;)

Sorry for the side topic rant ... research if in doubt, you will find my words true.

That said, very cool OP! Thanks!

[DeDukshyn]

...Scientists and academics are odd. They are most often extremely intelligent people but at the same time many of them have great difficulty accepting new ideas, new facts and new approaches...

And great difficulty accepting the fact that there are people and other beings that are smarter and/or way more evolved than they/we are.


"Intelligence" is highly overrated ;)

[Cidersomerset]

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I think with all the planets now being discovered the universe is teaming
with life and more on the lines of what the plejarans told Billy Meier.


History of Our Alien Ancestors on Earth

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But each to their own until we come into our own individual knowing.

[ghostrider]

earth scientist like saying 10,000 yrs ago, they are stuck on that number for everything... ET's came here 289,000 yrs ago... so their calender of 10,000 yrs ago or so is not that ancient , the pyramids are older than that, 70,063 yrs old ... earth being 646 billion yrs old , there is much older cosmic calenders ...

[Ellisa]

The history of humans in Australia go back to 50,000 years now! So you are right saying that the date of early civilisations are being pushed back further and further. Until recently the lifestyle of the indigenous Australians now and earlier, was dismissed as nomadic and without culture and tradition. We now know more of that way of life and are learning all the time. For instance the year was divided into many seasons and activities followed as the year progressed. This means they were aware of time and planned to use it to their advantage. The aborigines used 'firestick farming', that is they set fire to parts of their lands in rotation, thus providing fertiliser in the form of char. Much of the native Australian vegetation needs fire to make it germinate successfully and the ancient people knew that.

These aborigines did not farm as 'farmers' do, but cultivated the land so that it provided native vegetation due to their husbandry. This encouraged food animals to graze and the plants grown to be gathered. Because this is so different to the way we are used to manage land it is only recently that such practices were recognised as productive use of resources, and now some of these techniques are being used by the more traditional farmers.

Maybe we could learn more from the remaining native farmers of the world. Maybe they could teach us how these ancient people lived. Just because their way of farming differs from ours, and their lives are incomprehensible to us, it does not mean that the people pre-1200BC were ignorant and without a rich culture. We have a lot still to learn.

[Atlas]

A luni-solar 'time-reckoner' from 8th millennium BC Scotland

This structure, dated to the 8th millennium BC, has been re-analysed and appears to possess basic calendrical functions. The site may therefore provide the earliest evidence currently available for 'time reckoning' as the pit group appears to mimic the phases of the Moon and is structured to track lunar months.

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It also aligns on the south east horizon and a prominent topographic point associated with sunrise on the midwinter solstice. In doing so the monument anticipates problems associated with simple lunar calendars by providing an annual astronomic correction in order to maintain the link between the passage of time indicated by the Moon, the asynchronous solar year, and the associated seasons.

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The evidence suggests that hunter-gatherer societies in Scotland had both the need and ability to track time across the year, and also perhaps within the month, and that this occurred at a period nearly five thousand years before the first formal calendars were created in Mesopotamia.

Source: intarch.ac.uk/journal/issue34/gaffney_index.html (http://intarch.ac.uk/journal/issue34/gaffney_index.html)