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16th July 2013, 12:16
Contradicting a statement by ex-vice president Dick Cheney on Sunday that warrantless domestic surveillance might have prevented 9/11, 2007 court records indicate that the Bush-Cheney administration began such surveillance at least 7 months prior to 9/11.

The Bush administration bypassed the law requiring such actions to be authorized by FISA court warrants, the body set up in the Seventies to oversee Executive Branch spying powers after abuses by Richard Nixon. Former QWest CEO John Nacchios said that at a meeting with the NSA on February 27, 2001 (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/10/nsa-asked-for-p/), he and other QWest officials declined to participate. AT&T, Verizon and Bellsouth all agreed to shunt customer communications records to an NSA database.

In 2007 the Denver Post reported (http://digitaljournal.com/article/'http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_7511374%22):

"Nacchio suggested that the NSA sought phone, Internet and other customer records from Qwest in early 2001. When he refused to hand over the information, the agency retaliated by not granting lucrative contracts to the Denver-based company, he claimed."

Other sources corroborate the former CEO's allegations (http://www.newser.com/story/9419/ex-qwest-ceo-claims-spy-effort-began-before-911.html), which were made in the course of his legal defense against insider trading charges. Both Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2006/01/tinker_tailor_miner_spy.html)and National Journal (http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/071102nj1.htm)have published reports in which sources are quoted which support the former CEO's claims.

Speaking on “FOX News Sunday" this weekend in defense of the Obama administration's NSA PRISM program (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data), which has caused a national uproar over the sweeping intrusion by the government into American citizens' emails, live chats, and other electronic communications, Cheney said (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/cheney-nsa-monitoring-could-have-prevented-911/):

“Now, as everybody has been associated with the program said if we had this before 9/11, when there were two terrorists in San Diego, two hijackers, able to use that program, that capability against the target, we might have been able to prevent 9/11,”
However, the presence of such powers in the hands of the present administration did not succeed in preventing the Boston Marathon attacks, even though the suspects were already well-known to the FBI, and one allegedly told law enforcement, while in the hospital, that they were able to "download plans (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10013977/Boston-bombs-suspect-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-Afghanistan-and-Iraq-wars-inspired-us.html)for pressure cooker bombs from the Internet."

In the same interview on "Fox news Sunday" Cheney called NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/edward-snowden-says-motive-behind-leaks-was-to-expose-surveillance-state/2013/06/09/aa3f0804-d13b-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop) a "traitor."

In 2004, an AT&T technician filed a class action lawsuit (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/07/nsa-whistle-blowers-phone-spying-program-has-hubs-across-us-has-gone-on-for-years)against AT&T for engaging in an illegal domestic-surveillance program at the behest of the government. The Bush administration accessed major routers owned by telecommunications companies, in cities such as San Francisco, to divert traffic onto NSA mirror sites in order to capture vast volumes of data.

The Bush-Cheney administration fought fiercely to pass legislation which granted telecommunications companies immunity from prosecution for violating Americans' Fourth Amendment rights under the Constitution. The legislation was passed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA_Amendments_Act_of_2008)in 2008. UK Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald argued (http://www.salon.com/2008/02/29/bush_amnesty/)that the unprecedented "retroactive" immunity would also give the Bush administration immunity as well, by preventing lawsuits from moving forward into the discovery phase, where wrongdoing was likely to be uncovered.

Nevertheless, political accountability activists continue to press for action against the Bush, and now the Obama, administrations for violations of the Constitution and settled law. On April 19th of this year a California attorney, Inder Comar, filed two lawsuits (http://witnessiraq.com/2013/04/19/please-help-me-hold-the-bush-administration-accountable-in-federal-court-for-the-iraq-war/)in the Northern District of California against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz for planning and waging a “war of aggression” against Iraq, in violation of laws set down at the Nuremberg Trials in 1946. A radio interview of Comar can be heard on peace activist Cindy Sheehan's radio show HERE (http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2013/06/cindy-sheehans-soapbox-sunday-june-16.html).



Source here (http://digitaljournal.com/article/352455)

Lifebringer
16th July 2013, 13:26
Yes, Lib Dems found out in 2002, that the program had gone as far as when Papa swore in "tNwO/chaosity.
Its on the video on YT, but that is also what set the Libs in full gear to change it before it was too late. Would have been nice if they had help, and when Progressives of every stripe in the flag, found out, we started the search for unconnected candidates. It's the only way to sever the tentacles peacefully and legally, and it gives us such a good feeling to know we've stepped on more than a few tentacles strangling Lady Liberty.
Same as then, is the same as now, but would people have believed us back then? I seriously doubt if the lone voices of Progressives, and Libs can make enough alarm to stop it, we needed those conservatives of "jobs" and Libertarians that fight only when attacked on the country. I just hope it's not too late. This is what Barack Obama meant when he said UNITY, he knew the corruption was all throughout the houses, and executive offices, and they foisted their insiders in, to help them sink the country in his cabinet. Surrounded by foes and friends, because it's bigger than yesterday's beef between parties. OUR very lives are at stake, and some who swore on the Bible, and Constitution, take it very seriously. They could do nothing to stop tnwo's agenda with all the little insiders of 30 years, but UNIFIED, WE CAN.

Snowden is "Constitutional Libertarian." There have been "Progressive Journalist" that have been killed. He was an "Independent Progressive." Unafraid of giving his life, but warning before it was done, that it may come to that.

There are many others, but if they keep us focused on other distractions, and shiny emotional objects of division, the dog whistles of tnwo, will sound.

We must keep our minds and hearts focused on the better of the good, and the guidance of God and truth in their lives, to aid them.

jimmer
16th July 2013, 16:08
sure the NSA program was developed and initiated
during bush-cheney.we all know that.
what folks are worried about now is can we trust
the current administration to not cross the line
from metadata to content mining -- and use it
as an internal weapon against their contrarians?
IRS, DOJ, HLS. that's the issue.

jagman
16th July 2013, 16:11
Bush and Cheney may have started it but Obama has enlarged it and it looks like he will finish it and us!

Aurelius
16th July 2013, 16:48
hmmm .. so they potentially already knew about 911 plans before it happened? :rolleyes:

rgray222
16th July 2013, 18:10
sure the NSA program was developed and initiated
during bush-cheney.we all know that.
what folks are worried about now is can we trust
the current administration to not cross the line
from metadata to content mining -- and use it
as an internal weapon against their contrarians?
IRS, DOJ, HLS. that's the issue.

This is a large part of the problem, people think that Obama has not crossed the line! Edward Snowden thought that Obama had cross the line and not by a little bit but by a a lot.


Whether or not you think the government should be sweeping this stuff up, calling it metadata does not make the process any less intrusive. Tell me where you have been and who you have been talking to and I will tell you about your politics, your health, your finances and your sexual orientation

It seems to me that Obama gets a pass on most things

1. The IRS scandal......... Clearly targeted opponents of this President before the election. Obama himself claims he is outraged, like someone else is President as if he is not running the govt, like someone else should get the blame.

2. The AP, Under Eric hold the Justice Department performed a massive cull of Associated Press reporters’ phone records as part of a leak investigation. Holder, the attorney general said that he was not involved and then we find out that he actually signed the affidavit requesting the warrant. It should be noted that when Holder went shopping for a judge to sign the warrant two of them turned the DOJ down saying it was unconstitutional, the third judge (friendly to the WH) finally did sign.

3. James Rosen/Fox News Scandal The Justice Department suggested that Fox News reporter James Rosen is a criminal for reporting about classified information and subsequently monitored his phones and emails.

4. The Fast and Furious Scandal, everyone thinks no big deal, tell that to the more than 200 Mexicans who were murdered by these weapons. At first Holder said he just found out about it when it fact documents have shown he was involved from day 1.

5. The NSA scandal is something that is removing our freedoms and most Americans think that Obama has not committed any grave offenses or that he has "not stepped over the line". Is it because people do not understand "metadata"

6. Benghazi........This in itself seems to be more than just one scandal

The failure of Obama to authorize adequate protection for the mission/embassy
The administration said they made no substantive changes to the talking points, this was later found out to be a lie.
Sending the UN Ambassador out on the TV circuit to commit professional suicide was appalling
The guy who produced the bogus video is still in jail
The question of gun running by Ambassador Stevens has never been answered

This scandal is being swept so far under the carpet that we will probably never get the truth.

The list could go on and on but these are topical scandals. There is little question that a very alarming pattern of Obama's behavior has emerged for all to see but he seems to get a pass. The big question is WHY?

I don't think that the age old excuse of all politicians are the same holds water here or that it is just those pesky ptb. We are talking about a man's behavior (certainly unconstitutional and probably criminal) and setting the tone for the people working for him.

TargeT
16th July 2013, 20:22
it's more likely that these things started back in the Clinton days & got refined/expanded through bush, and now obama. (think technology levels, not presidents or politicians)

but labeling it a democratic or republican issue is kind of pointless & maybe worse: feeding into what is desired by the control structure.

If there truly were a difference between "D" and "R" politicians that has been proven very false under Obama.

PurpleLama
16th July 2013, 20:46
Hmmm, methinks it far preceded Bush n Cheney, or even ol' Tricky Dick. Remember the rumors of ECHELON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON)?

Snookie
16th July 2013, 21:55
it's more likely that these things started back in the Clinton days & got refined/expanded through bush, and now obama. (think technology levels, not presidents or politicians)

but labeling it a democratic or republican issue is kind of pointless & maybe worse: feeding into what is desired by the control structure.

If there truly were a difference between "D" and "R" politicians that has been proven very false under Obama.

Never mind that Clinton and Pappy Bush were always best buds. They even went "hunting" MKUltra'd mind control slaves together. Read Cathy O'Brian's book "Trans Formation of America" and you will read of how these two's favourite sport was to give these people a head start running through the woods, then hunt them with dogs & of course guns. Sometimes they killed them, and sometimes they just beat the **** out of them or sexually abused them. Pappy Bush was especially fond of very young ones.

Vitalux
16th July 2013, 22:01
Why those dirty rotten scoundrels :(

Dirty, dishonest politicians :(

Next you will probably tell me that Lawyers lie :rolleyes:

toad
17th July 2013, 01:33
Hmmm, methinks it far preceded Bush n Cheney, or even ol' Tricky Dick. Remember the rumors of ECHELON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON)?


Or the Carnivore software?

ghostrider
17th July 2013, 03:53
cheney ??? ehummmmmmmmm giving the order to stand down, 9-11 could have been stopped by norad if HE had said , We have a go , take em out ... the president too busy in photo ops with children to be at his desk, doing his first job , protecting america, gathering intell that was screaming hey somethings up, the signs were there, HE IGNORED THEM... three CIA assets knew about 9-11 ... you should read what the plejaren had to say about 9-11 specifically spaceship commander Ishwich Ptaah ...