Dog having serious nose bleeds......

[Earth Angel]

I hope its okay to post this on this site, but as so many of you are so knowledgeable on so many things I thought you might have some info ......
Our 9 year old dog suddenly had a terrible nose bleed at about 3 am on Wednesday.....we took him to the vet yesterday morning....he was checked for something stuck or cut on his nose and checked from head to toe......blood work has been ordered......
He was fine all day and evening, woke up this morning to another large pool of blood which contained a small jelly bean sized lump of blood......I squeezed this with my fingers and it was not like congealed blood that would break apart, it seemed like a small sack of blood......his appetite is fine, he is drinking lots, lethargic but its hot as hell here......he has just recently gone on his usual summer meds of a steroid called vanectyl p .......this seems to cause all kinds of problems for him for the past 6 years and i was hoping it might be that......he also got into some WD40 the night before the first nose bleed......

anybody with anything that might help ( waiting to hear from the vet on results but am stressing out.....my daughter will go mad if anything happens to her baby) Is it possible that thing I picked up was a polyp and it has come out on its own???

thanks for any suggestions and please send him your best healing thoughts........thanks again

[soleil]

hi earth angel, i am sorry i dont know what to suggest. i really hope you find something that can help. maybe perhaps there could be a natural herb that is safe for dogs that help with blood / bleeding?

[shadowstalker]

Awww that poor puppy poo, I feel bad for you both...
Has the blood you found been taken in as well as regular blood work?
Did you take photos for personal notations and time stamping?
I only suggest this cuz it may happen again.

[spiritguide]

The WD 40 seems to be the only thing new in the enviroment he exposed himself to. Read the label of ingredients and call poison control for neutralizers. Probably it could cause havoc with sinus cavity and/or tissues. Hope this helps.

Peace!

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Old Snake]

E.A.

Get yourself a dose of C30 Phosphorus ,Homeopatic remedy, forget the vet with his evil "medicine"
Give the dog just that,and the bleeding will stop in about 4 day`s,and do a lot of good for your family friend.

Old Snake

[WhiteFeather]

Sorry to hear about the news of your Dog. What type of breed is it? Seems this website looked pretty informal. Here: http://voices.yahoo.com/common-causes-bleeding-nose-injuries-dogs-5524647.html
E.A.Research everything on this. You may come up with a solution. Good Luck.



As with humans, our dog's are able to suffer from nose bleeds. While most nose bleeds in dogs are generally of no concern, there are other times a nose bleed can be a result of nose injuries or even underlying health conditions. Depending on your dog's symptoms, you may be able to detect the cause of the bleeding nose but the safest option is to have them seen by a veterinarian to find the exact cause. The cause of a nose bleed can be as simple as a foreign object or more severe to that of a tumor. Canine Nose Tumors

Unfortunately, a dog's bloody nose can often be caused from a nose tumor. Certain breeds, such as basset hounds, collies, and Shetland sheepdog, are at an increased risk of developing a tumor. Symptoms of a tumor generally begin before the nasal bleeding occurs, however they are often misinterpreted as something else. Common symptoms for a canine nose tumor are snoring or trouble breathing. This is often misinterpreted as a foreign object in the nasal passage. The nose usually begins bleeding after the tumor begins causing the dog irritation. The dog then begins rubbing their face on objects or frequently sneezing, resulting in a nose injury and a bloody discharge. Because nasal tumors can occur, it's best to seek a veterinarians advice if your dog develops a bloody nose.

Foreign Objects

Often a dog's bleeding nose is caused from a foreign object in the nasal passage way. Persistent sneezing, bloody nasal discharge, and rubbing their face are common symptoms of a foreign object it the nose. Foreign objects can easily get into a dogs nose. As they run through brush or sniff the ground, they can inhale a small stick or bur, which gets caught in their nose. In the case of my small puppy, he got a sun flower seed stuck in his nose. If you suspect a foreign object in your pets' nose, it's best to take them to a vet immediately especially if sneezing is persistent. Persistent sneezing can cause the object to cause further nose injuries, which can lead to serious complications.

Infections

Other common causes of nose bleeds in dogs include viral and bacterial infections. If this is the case, nose injuries can occur, which will result in bleeding. Often, your pet will have other symptoms of an infection, such as coughing, wheezing, and sneezing. Due to the discharged produced by the infection and sneezing that may occur, a dogs' nose becomes raw and sensitive. Prolonged discharge or sneezing will often result in nasal bleeding. If this is the case, your pet needs to be taken to a veterinarian to see if antibiotics or other medications are needed.

Treating a Nose Bleed

When your pet experiences a bloody nose, chances are they are going to be a little frightened. This can make it very difficult to try and get them to hold still. It may even make the nicest pet snap when they are scared and hands are coming at their face. As long as a dog's breathing without difficulty, the best thing you can do is call your vet. Unless the bleeding is profuse, just let it bleed until it stops. Afterwards, take your dog to the vet. If bleeding is profuse, get it to the vet as soon as physically possible.

References:

"Canine Nose Bleeding and Tumors" www.dog-health-guide.org

"Nasal Discharge and Sneezing" www.vetmed.edu

"Nose-bleeding-Chance" www.nose-bleeding-chance.com

[Ellisa]

WHitefeather seems to have covered all bases! I am familiar with objects and dog's noses! We have a rye-grass here, and its seeds can work its way into ears, between toes and inside noses when dogs snuffle around them. I was concerned when you mentioned a small lump was sneezed out. This could be a foreign object, a clot, or a sort of blood scab plugging a puncture in a blood vessel.

He is an elderly dog and so there is also the chance the dog may be over-heated, and I must say that if the dog were mine I would take him back to the vet. A dog's companionship is precious, and you will feel you are doing your best for him.

[Debra]

What is the latest on your dog Earth Angel? I hope this upset has cleared. First I have heard of a dog with a nose bleed. Could have been the WD40 but .. has he been snuffling around in places that could contain some sharpish materials - Perhaps? He has cut himself internally - somehow. This is the only thing I can think of - and I am not a vet of course.

Sending woofy best wishes to your beloved pooch.

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[Earth Angel]

well the blood work indicates he has a thyroid issue (we have had his thyroid checked 5 times in the past and always told not a problem although he had fur loss and dull coat)......so I was relieved to hear this as its an easily and cheaply treated problem but when I asked so would thyroid issues cause nosebleeds??? the vet said she wasn't sure but was going to check with some specialist and get back to me the same day.....and she did not... I would like to think it was something like the WD40 caused some irritation in the nose as the stats on nose tumors are not good. No nose bleed last night, still eating and looking fine.
Thanks everyone for all your replies , here is a picture of him in his finer days, his coat has been dull and patchy for so long its hard to believe he ever looked this beautiful and shiny but look at that face!

[Earth Angel]

Vet called back today to say that as he is on vanectyl p (steroid) for his allergies the blood results were skewed! she knew he was on this drug when she did the blood work!!! she now has a list of some other tests she would like .....no nose bleed last night

[The Truth Is In There]

thyroid issue means he's too slow. it's an instinctive reaction by the body, not a conscious one, and happens from one moment to the next. maybe at some point he couldn't keep up with some animal he chased. this started the thyroid program and now whenever he instinctually/subconsciously feels he's too slow the thyroid program restarts. it's the same with humans who have thyroid issues, btw. try not to let him chase other animals (or toys like balls if you use them) anymore to avoid restarting the thyroid program. iodine may also help.

re the nose bleed, that has to do with smell. if you can rule out that he either smelled something very bad he didn't like, or something he would very much have liked to get but wasn't able to (like food), for a comparatively long time, then i'd guess he tried to get the scent of something and inhaled foreign objects such as dirt (most likely it was the latter).

while the program is active he wouldn't have noticed it because the sensitive tissue inside the nose is numb during that period but once the healing starts it swells, gets tender and may rupture and bleed. the bleeding will stop when the healing is further advanced, it's nothing to worry about.

if he receives steroids and other medications that will stop the pain but also the healing process and prolong the whole issue. you should let him heal at his own pace without medication and perhaps try to find out what caused it (the smell/scent thing) and avoid it in the future. it had to have happened shortly before the bleeding began, maybe a day earlier. that he's now lethargic, sleeps, drinks and eats a lot is a sign of healing. let him rest and all will be well in a few days.

if i had to make a wild guess i'd say he likes to chase other animals but is not as fast as he used to be. this would explain both the thyroid issue and why he desperately tries to catch the scent of his "victims" to the point of getting nosebleeds, but that's just guesswork.

[Earth Angel]

well the thyroid issue has been apparent for about 5 years ......but now she is saying the steroid may have skewed those blood tests so who knows if they are going to say yet again that he does not have a thyroid problem....he is not chasing much of anything these days.....he does bury his toys and bones in the back yard with his nose......and he did have WD40 on him which I am sure he licked and smelled the day before the first nose bleed......so far just the two nose bleeds....hoping that was it and we are done......his coat is dull and balding so I think his thyroid must be an issue. thanks for the ideas.

[TargeT]

Vet called back today to say that as he is on vanectyl p (steroid) for his allergies the blood results were skewed! she knew he was on this drug when she did the blood work!!! she now has a list of some other tests she would like .....no nose bleed last night

Welcome to "modern medicine" it's even worse with Vets...

For humans, we lose around 800,000 people a YEAR to medical mistakes; pets are not immune. :(


Living organisms are very resilient, if the amount of blood is less than 150-20% of total volume I would simply observe and be vigilant, no allopathic medicine needed at that point.

Has the bleeding continued? if not it could very well be due to the wd-40 incident (can you describe it more? what happened exactly, was it a large exposure, did he eat a can etc...)

[Earth Angel]

only the two nose bleeds so far and they began about 24 hours after he got the WD40....believe it or not, i put it on his back leg, was told by someone who's used it for years for arthritis that its just fish oil and water, didn't use my own common sense and realize that its also in an aerosol so its POISON! and I am sure he did lick it....there is a very dangerous email making the rounds about how wonderful WD40 is for all kinds of things, and I had seen it many times on the internet ......so not only would he have licked it but absorbed it through his skin.......I feel so awful about this
His poops seem very soft the last couple of days as well.
Yea I am sick of spending money on this dog and never getting any results (well actually my daughter pays his vet bills now) but last fall she spent about $1600 on 'tests' all came out negative so we are no further ahead on those issues......since i switched him myself to distilled water his fur finally started to grow back but its still very dull and whispy....so the thyroid issue could still be there , although all tests say he is 'borderline normal'
I will try to convince his 'mom' to let it go for a few more days and see if its going to work out....I would say the nose bleed was nowhere near the amounts you are talking TargeT ....on the floor it looks like a lot but its probably an ounce max ?

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Vet called back today to say that as he is on vanectyl p (steroid) for his allergies the blood results were skewed! she knew he was on this drug when she did the blood work!!! she now has a list of some other tests she would like .....no nose bleed last night

Welcome to "modern medicine" it's even worse with Vets...

For humans, we lose around 800,000 people a YEAR to medical mistakes; pets are not immune. :(


Living organisms are very resilient, if the amount of blood is less than 150-20% of total volume I would simply observe and be vigilant, no allopathic medicine needed at that point.

Has the bleeding continued? if not it could very well be due to the wd-40 incident (can you describe it more? what happened exactly, was it a large exposure, did he eat a can etc...)

[The Truth Is In There]

the nose bleed was most likely a reaction to the wd40 then. an instinctive reaction to a smell he wanted to get rid of but wasn't able to. it's nothing serious and will heal in a few days if no doctor "treats" him.

i'd definitely try iodine for the thyroid issue. it's likely going to help although the underlying problem with thyroid is always not being fast enough to do something, in a dog's case probably chase.

bone loss shows reduced self-worth. in humans it appears in people whose self worth is reduced because of certain things they can't do anymore or not as good as they used to, or because someone else said something along these lines to them which triggered this reaction. it's also an instinctual reaction and if it repeats itself it leads to osteoporosis. depending on where it occurs the trigger can be determined. in dogs it's most likely to do with running or jumping. this ties in with the thyroid issue as well. reduced self-worth because he's not able to run as he used to (bones loss) or not without pain, and not as fast as he used to (thyroid).

what i'd do is feed his ego. he needs a lot of attention and praise (!), should be coaxed to exercise more and should always be first in "contests" with others of the pack (you, your daughter etc.) - run with him but don't ride a bike (don't go faster than the dog). his condition can be reversed but he can only do it himself. a vet can't do it, neither can you, but you can create the conditions for him to get healthy again.

i'm not sure if it's going to work due to lack of experience with this problem but it's worth a try. my dog is 7 and thankfully he's never been sick in his life (good care, heh..) but if he'd get sick what i'd never do is take him to a vet or give him meds. nature is the best healer, and good care by other pack members.

[Earth Angel]

I stay away from the vets and doctors as much as I can.....but the reason he is on a steroid every year is a 'seasonal allergy' according to the vet who thought it was mange for two years in a row.......we have tried other things as I hate putting him on a steroid every year for 2 months but nothing works and he ends up chewing his paws bald until they bleed and become infected.....I have tried colloidal silver spray as this is good for itching and healing but its not enough
No more nose bleeds and I think I have convinced my daughter not to do any more in that regard unless he keeps having them.

[The Truth Is In There]

allergies are programs that repeat due to a trigger that was active the first time the program started. the mind records everything subconsciously to avoid dangerous situations of a similar nature in the future. the allergy is the reaction to such a seemingly dangerous situation. the situation itself doesn't exist anymore but the triggers are still there.

it's not easy even for humans who know how the process works to get rid of allergies and most likely it's harder for dogs. first you'd have to find out when he first got this allergy and the surrounding conditions at that time and place. then change all the conditions shortly before the allergy usually hits. this will remove the trigger and the allergy won't start. the hardest part is finding out what exactly triggers the allergy since you have to look for visible symptoms because he can't talk.

if it's seasonal it may have to do with nature, like hay fever in humans. i'd go on vacation elsewhere some time before the allergy usually starts. the point is for the dog (or rather, the dog's body) to realize that the program which starts the allergy is not necessary anymore. all this is instinctual, not conscious. keep in mind is that the allergy itself (the itching) is already the "healing" period so the trigger would have to appear a few days before the actual allergy and disappear about two months later, shortly before the allergy symptoms disappear. maybe you can determine it based on past experience.

[Realeyes]

sorry to hear about your dog, I hope he recovers very quickly.

I have kept dogs for over 25 years - stopped using the vet when I became educated on modern so called medicine and vaccinations and only used the vet if operations were required.

For 20 years I have kept healthy dogs with Homeopathy. They never caught anything nasty.

Also I use to have a retriever, her coat remained healthy and shiny right up to old age due to giving her a raw egg in her breakfast each day.

[The Truth Is In There]

btw, if you can't find the cause for the allergy when it first appeared see if you remember anything to do with the loss of an important member of the pack - such as your daughter going on vacation for a few weeks without the dog or leaving the dog with someone else for some time. this "loss" could have started the "allergy" because skin issues are always about losing someone or wanting to get rid of someone. the repetition of the allergy is then triggered every year by certain unique conditions that were in place at the time of that loss, like a certain kind of pollen for instance. even though the loss as such may not happen again the allergy reappears because of the trigger.