Avalon is being monitored by 4 different groups.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello my dear friends

Id like to bring to your attention that there is a total of 36 ( possibly more ) operatives here on Avalon from 4 sepperate groups of compartmentalised factions.

They are feeding particular threads to us to watch our reactions and colating data. These are actually registered members and interacting with us to garnish psychological reactive information for further agendas.

It is important they do their home work in order to understand what makes the alternative community tick indeed to corral our collective thoughts to help sway us for their means.

I do hope when we speak we do so with this in mind.

Love and hugs

Naniu

[Kimberley]

I am certain you are correct Naniu.

Are you willing to share an example of two? I would be interested in more details.

We have been tested here many times in the 2 1/2 years I have been here...and I know many many of us are stronger and more aware than ever because of it.

:grouphug:

[Another1]

I know they are here but your numbers are quite specific?
Neat trick however you do it.


'They' want to

corral our collective thoughts ???

It's apparent some clever people are here but their work is cut out for them with this crowd IMO


Pk7yqlTMvp8

Like the man says, "Anyone can herd cattle."

[naste.de.lumina]

My message to them is:
Enjoy your stay on planet Earth, will probably be the last.
Through no fault of someone or something, but by their own thoughts, feelings and actions that you mark in their own spirits.
There is no lie and deceive the disembodied. You are the image of what thinks and feels. Point.
Até la vista baby.

[Star Tsar]

I for one shall not be swayed!
Thanks for the heads up Nanoo Nanoo!
:nono::smash::nod:

[PurpleLama]

Oh, Nanoo, the good ones you will never catch....

[toad]

Curious. To the NSA, can you let me know if there is any new emails in my Priority inbox that was hacked last week?

[Cristian]

Hey Nanno,

I dont know if you realize how much harm threads like this can do . Why not just message a mod or Bill himself and handle the issue quietly?

Threads like this can go so wrong, so fast, it's crazy...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Thank you Reilly : 0 )

its really a matter of being aware its going on. They are amongst us , they even befriend us .. and thats fine .. Im niot going to start shotting in a barrell or tell who i suspect other than the obvious. Its not in my function however now that we know it changes things does it not : 0 )

Naniu

[giovonni]

Oh, Nanoo, the good ones you will never catch....

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[Justintime]

Hello my dear friends

Id like to bring to your attention that there is a total of 36 ( possibly more ) operatives here on Avalon from 4 sepperate groups of compartmentalised factions.

They are feeding particular threads to us to watch our reactions and colating data. These are actually registered members and interacting with us to garnish psychological reactive information for further agendas.

It is important they do their home work in order to understand what makes the alternative community tick indeed to corral our collective thoughts to help sway us for their means.

I do hope when we speak we do so with this in mind.

Love and hugs

Naniu

Though I'm sure you're correct that there are operatives here feeding us threads, observing our reactions and doing so because it is important for them to understand what makes a community like PA tick, I don't understand where you are getting your numbers from and why you're bringing this to our attention now? Has something been revealed to you by one of these operatives, can you tell by the thread that its a test thread? Or are you going off your intuition?

Also, are you suggesting we curtail our thoughts and emotions in order to avoid revealing to whomever what makes us pissed, annoyed, scared etc?

Regards
Justin

[PurpleLama]

If a thread seems to me to be deliberately provocative, or if it appears to be data mining, then I will decline to participate.

[Harley]

Oh, Nanoo, the good ones you will never catch....

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[ulli]

Avalon has been monitored for as long as I can remember...
particularly because it deals with cover-ups.
As are all the other alternative forums.

While it is not exactly a comforting thought to be observed by lurkers and paid operatives,
it is important to remember that not being a part of a loving community will work against them.
They are people who have sold their souls, and who therefore cannot rely on support from the higher spiritual worlds.
They don't stand a chance against us regulars.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Naniu. Don't know where you're getting your intel from, especially the numbers part. But, I always assume such things are going on anyway, kinda goes with the territory huh?

I assume there are snakes in the grass when I go for a walk in the woods as well. :yes4:

[Sith73]

Big shout out to those in those groups "Hi" :cheers:


Sending love out tho those factions that have agendas to sway us in a certain direction. Sorry but your Jedi mind tricks will not work here. :wizard:

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Ill tell you now like always my numbers and info are intuitive.

If you know me youll understand if you dont then at least you are informed of the possible and can make informed decisions to do with your on line security.

It is pertinent to do so .. not to muzzle but to be prudent in the language we use. Not to stifle communication but to understand respectful debate is often left alone compared to anger or retributive responces.

We are upset .. thats obvious , but in the mean time while we express our opinions its good practice not topaint targets to our bums.

Naniu

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Oh, Nanoo, the good ones you will never catch....

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HH ! welcome aboard !

miss you brother star man !


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[Another1]

The 'New Age' is a business model that will never go out of style. Just redesign the packaging and add a feature or two every few years.

~ a study group from Google could be here helping a client plan 2020 cosmic events schedules

[thunder24]

oh great... derf comes out again, acting like everyones buddy..... what info are you collecting this time derf?

Snakes in the grass I see Derf... O I C...


Hi Naniu. Don't know where you're getting your intel from, especially the numbers part. But, I always assume such things are going on anyway, kinda goes with the territory huh?

I assume there are snakes in the grass when I go for a walk in the woods as well. :yes4:

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hey Nanno,

I dont know if you realize how much harm threads like this can do . Why not just message a mod or Bill himself and handle the issue quietly?

Threads like this can go so wrong, so fast, it's crazy...

Yes and No. Information is not dangerous,. what we do with it can be... we are all adults and i respect that

thank you for the heads up.

Naniu

[PurpleLama]

The danger is in mistaking the merely misguided for the moles.

[Conchis]

Hi Naniu. Don't know where you're getting your intel from, especially the numbers part. But, I always assume such things are going on anyway, kinda goes with the territory huh?

I assume there are snakes in the grass when I go for a walk in the woods as well. :yes4:

I was walking in the garden at Meher Baba's house, when it was pointed out to me that there were snakes even in the Garden of Eden.

[PurpleLama]

They are people who have sold their souls, and who therefore cannot rely on support from the higher spiritual worlds.


Substitute higher spiritual worlds with higher technology.

[ulli]

They are people who have sold their souls, and who therefore cannot rely on support from the higher spiritual worlds.


Substitute higher spiritual worlds with higher technology.

I'll accept no substitutes.

[kersley]

i certainly didn't join PA because I was weak...quite the opposite actually..

[eaglespirit]

We are being influenced by a Higher that is helping Us bring forth a Pure Cure for ALL of the mischief on Mother Earth at 'about to be' warp speed factor x10!

Can't prove how I know this....let's just say I'll give it an RMorgan A1 rating from my own personal experiences:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59688-World-s-Oldest-Pyramids-Found-in-Alaska-Shocks-Scientific-Community&p=682974&viewfull=1#post682974

And Thanks, Nanoo Nanoo...they(the operatives) just best prepare themselves for a balancing/reckoning beyond anything they can imagine!

[aranuk]

I am certain you are correct Naniu.

Are you willing to share an example of two? I would be interested in more details.

We have been tested here many times in the 2 1/2 years I have been here...and I know many many of us are stronger and more aware than ever because of it.

:grouphug:

I too Nannoo would like you to explain how you know this and also how you know how many too.

Stan

[Prodigal Son]

Hey lets face it. Anybody who would work for the Fascists to monitor good well-meaning people trying to expose corruption and change the planet for the better has no soul, no heart, no spine, no substance, and truly represents what a "reptilian" is. You are, as Jesus said to the Pharisees, an empty tomb. Enjoy your brief stay here on this freewill planet, your next incarnation will probably be in a place like in that Avatar movie. Good luck with that :)

[Star Tsar]

Just look @ this ratio 162 members and 1,608 guests right now!
:sarcastic:

[Christine]

Hey Nanno,

I dont know if you realize how much harm threads like this can do . Why not just message a mod or Bill himself and handle the issue quietly?

Threads like this can go so wrong, so fast, it's crazy...

Yes and No. Information is not dangerous,. what we do with it can be... we are all adults and i respect that

thank you for the heads up.

Naniu

Hi Naniu,

I just want to make a few comments.. .. I agree that information is inherently not dangerous. But implied information is, as well as incomplete information. What you posted (even if I may tend to agree with you) is open to interpretation and speculation, both are qualities that feed our emotions of doubt and distrust. So in this case I agree with Cristian. I am thinking that a further disclosure from yourself as to the intent of your post would be helpful.

We may all be adults here but many, too many of us, have also been hurt, abused, stalked and in any number of ways compromised by people of ill intent. You are wise and know the effects of these things.

It is also true that while you are well known on the forum to some you may not be well known to many especially to the many viewers we never see. I am sure Bill and the mods of Avalon are pretty savvy in this area however any real suspicions passed on would help us in being ever vigilant. We have found that as a team we have better judgement than any single person could.

Thanks!

[scanner]

I wish them well , they have to live here to . Peace be with you whoever you are .

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ah so this is your experiment, I shall call you Dexter from now on.:confused:

[GK76]

Let them watch and participate in the duality, they won't get anywhere with that thinking. Push us more and more, it all comes back to the one, eventually. The more they fight us the easier it is to notice their little games, and to counter them. They'll destroy themselves again as they have in past cycles as technology outgrows spiritualism.

*looks on and waits*

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I am a bit confused by this thread.

Anyone that comes here should in essence understand the world in which we live, and that we are being watched and data mined no matter where we are going... its as simple as logging into facebook and seeing suggested pages for things that you have absolutely no interest in whatsoever.

Its up to us individually to keep the conversation positive, creative, and not allow them to inhibit our true thoughts and beliefs. I couldn't care less who these people are or what group they are from. We know its happening, and there is no really point to asking who, its not relevant.

[firstlook]

during my mental health breakdown I was aware of a ISA type tracking on me, or atleast that's what I assume. I think they were counter terrorism. Don't blame them really I was going through some anger but never considered hurting anyone but myself. Whats more interesting is I actually would like to go on a "ride along" if you will. Like how local cops have to let you tag along. I think I could keep up with these guys and girls and put in some work. I judge no "group" only their actions against either dangerous individuals or innocent thinkers. Might sound suspect to this forum to say that but I think you should be allowed to talk to other groups whether you agree with them or not.

Just some thoughts.

[Harley]

While it's a good reminder, especially for newbies, it's probably not a good idea to ask someone to point fingers (could cause great consternation and kaos).

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[ulli]

I must say, Nanoo, your little antenna seems to be working.
I see strange things happening on the new posts page.
More like flooding than monitoring though.
Anyone else noticed?


Oops, someone fixed the broken pipe.
Wow, our mods are fast!!!
All is back to normal.

[ThePythonicCow]

Oops, someone fixed the broken pipe.
Wow, our mods are fast!!!
All is back to normal.
I just removed 33 copies of a post, out of the 34 copies that were posted on various threads by the member known as ResistETIntervention.

ResistETIntervention is presently "moderated", meaning the mod team will have to approve each of her posts before it appears in public view.

Posting the same post, give or take minor variations, in many threads in rapid succession is usually considered spamming by us. We don't approve of it.

The mod team will evaluate the situation further.

[RunningDeer]

I must say, Nanoo, your little antenna seems to be working.
I see strange things happening on the new posts page.
More like flooding than monitoring though.
Anyone else noticed?


Oops, someone fixed the broken pipe.
Wow, our mods are fast!!!
All is back to normal.

My computer has been going haywire for a couple of days now. So much so that I purchased and quick shipped another one because I need a computer for a home business.

The most trouble is when I click on Avalon and 'conspiracy' sites. Some examples, the pages don't come up, or my wi-fi goes down only when I try these specific sites. When I finally get on to Avalon only the first couple of posts show up. In the last several hours, the problems have escalated big time.

I can't say if it's related or not, but I've regained 100% hearing in my left ear a couple of days ago. I had lost most of it 2+ years ago.

[Wind]

Is this supposed to be news for any us here? For some time now I have suspected that NSA has been following me so I must be on their blacklist. But hey, I might just be a nutcase, right? I mean most of the people I know of would think so If told them the things I know and believe in! ;)

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[Star Tsar]

Oops, someone fixed the broken pipe.
Wow, our mods are fast!!!
All is back to normal.
I just removed 33 copies of a post, out of the 34 copies that were posted on various threads by the member known as ResistETIntervention.

ResistETIntervention is presently "moderated", meaning the mod team will have to approve each of her posts before it appears in public view.

Posting the same post, give or take minor variations, in many threads in rapid succession is usually considered spamming by us. We don't approve of it.

The mod team will evaluate the situation further.

Happening again Paul

[firstlook]

Non-invasive monitoring: Identifying and tracking unknown or potential threats from individuals at key checkpoints. Real-time detection of deception or hostile intent through integrated system of human and machine methods.

[ThePythonicCow]

Happening again Paul
What do you mean ... I don't see another such incident of spamming happening now.

P.S. -- I do see it now :).

[naste.de.lumina]

I have to agree that I would at least disappointed if I do not find any of these thousands of lists. I've heard cases of children as young as 2 years old are in the list of 'not fly'.
But due to gross incompetence, I may have to content myself with not being on any list.
A suggestion to my friends at the NSA, CIA, ABC, DEF, GHI, etc, would be to create a list of 'not listed at all', so ensure democracy lists.
 
Good work friends.

[Star Tsar]

Self deleted...:o

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The 'New Age' is a business model that will never go out of style. Just redesign the packaging and add a feature or two every few years.

~ a study group from Google could be here helping a client plan 2020 cosmic events schedules

Most definitely !

Future is a good word to look at. The plans they make do not include world war but rather back ups in case of civil retaliation. The plan to create the PTB Utopia is in full swing , and they have most of the resources except the numbers, but they more than make up for it in organisation, study, planning , patience and unbelieveablely dastardly intelligence in covert missions.

We do them a favor in un covering and debating their movements. They are more than appreciateive im sure. The more we Talk and are Distracted the higher the propensity is for us to just be content someone may just pop out of the blue and save us.. Yes our job is to discuss possibilities and never act on them ( in their opinion )

The next time line is a plan in sequence to slowly tag and compartmentalise groups of humans. The smart ones will congregate in certain terrains or parts of the planet. If they are intelligent enough and mostly keep to them selves they will most likely be left alone.

Their fear right now is the release of efficient energy making devices. There are millions of them on you tube and the smart inventor is grasping all sorts of adavnced tech freely avail now more than ever. The big race right now is finding out what sort of basic items can be used to make these devices and then cut them off from supply.

Beyond the money supply which is second in line of the Power 4 the first in line is Energy. Once we are free to make our own energy efficiently then they effectively lose 1.5 legs of power. 1 is energy .5 is monitarily as the monitary leg is semi dependant on the energy leg.

The other 2 are Military and Food.

The food one is well on the way.

the Military one im leaving well alone ; 0 )

love and hugsies !

Naniu

[Dennis Leahy]

Larry, Curly, Moe...and Shemp.

Quick! See who gets the joke - if they don't, they are definitely an agent.

EVERY black-ops group that even MIGHT get mentioned, and every alphabet agency that keeps a pulse by checking any sort of popular social media are here. I'd bet there are FAR more than 4, in fact, more than 4 from the US government alone.

I'm going to continue to do exactly as I have always done: speak the truth as I know it, ask probing questions, and look for some comedy relief in this FAR too serious world (with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

[Freed Fox]

Oops, someone fixed the broken pipe.
Wow, our mods are fast!!!
All is back to normal.
I just removed 33 copies of a post, out of the 34 copies that were posted on various threads by the member known as ResistETIntervention.

ResistETIntervention is presently "moderated", meaning the mod team will have to approve each of her posts before it appears in public view.

Posting the same post, give or take minor variations, in many threads in rapid succession is usually considered spamming by us. We don't approve of it.

The mod team will evaluate the situation further.

Thank you very much, Paul.

Like a Jehova's Witness with a UFO twist. :rolleyes:

[RunningDeer]

ok im done

Dear Thunder24,

I didn't realize what your message meant until now. God speed.... And continued happy gardening.

Hearts,
Paula :wave:

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

[Dennis Leahy]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace
No offense taken - but I don't understand what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

Dennis

[TigaHawk]

I must say, Nanoo, your little antenna seems to be working.
I see strange things happening on the new posts page.
More like flooding than monitoring though.
Anyone else noticed?


Oops, someone fixed the broken pipe.
Wow, our mods are fast!!!
All is back to normal.

My computer has been going haywire for a couple of days now. So much so that I purchased and quick shipped another one because I need a computer for a home business.

The most trouble is when I click on Avalon and 'conspiracy' sites. Some examples, the pages don't come up, or my wi-fi goes down only when I try these specific sites. When I finally get on to Avalon only the first couple of posts show up. In the last several hours, the problems have escalated big time.

I can't say if it's related or not, but I've regained 100% hearing in my left ear a couple of days ago. I had lost most of it 2+ years ago.



Sometimes i wish i lived closer to you guy's so i could assist with your PC problems, but at the same time im quite happy i live in Australia. the US kinda scares me tbh. Generally with PC's over time they degrade, just bits of software here and there that get errors or corrupt data, but it keeps functioning - just slower as it's got to process all that extra stuff. Like a staircase that deteriorates and crumbles over time, you can still climb it but it will take alot longer to get to the top kinda thing. Generally a wipe and re-setup clears all of that out, brand new staircase like, and things run smoothe again.


Wireless is unreliable. Everything interferes with it, explaining how it works may help a bit. It doesnt just send out one "wave" of information that gets recieved by something else, it sends the same message many many times, as the signal bounces/reflects/dissaperars off objects around you, yet it works because the recieving unit knows this and listens to everything it can and pieces the jigsaw puzzell back together again to get the single "wave" of information. Alot of electronics interfere with wireless, like your microwave and mobile phone. some of the earlier wireless deviecs would completely drop out if you bought a 3G phone into the room or turned your microwave on. Tho... not saying net your problems are caused by this... just saying as an IT nerd i personally stay away from it because of reliability/stability issues.


Back on topic! Am wondering if im a suspect, i work for the "Gummit" and have for about 5 years now across.... 3? different departments. Surprisingly PA/PC were not blocked at any. But i guess its just interesting to see if being affiliated with them - even tho im purely here as it (used to be! heh) a secure permnant job with the only way of you getting teh boot is if you really... really screwd up, like porn or something. Job security in IT is an utter joke, even moreso now than a few years ago.


Other than that - them analysing us, bwahahahaha... sorry i find that kinda funny. Purely from the aspect that we must be puzzling, having a concience and just knowing what's right and wrong and basing our actions and thoughts on that - must be oh so confuzing for them! Tho at the same time i've noticed its very easy for (myself definately) and others to flare up emotionally with stuff that's put out there to be deliberately upsetting or trigger a reaction.

[RunningDeer]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

I pay Federal taxes because who'd take care of Wolfie if I were in prison?
Signing off,
Agent Paula :wave:

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Love/Wolf_zpse538972d.JPG

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis



No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace
No offense taken - but I don't understand what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

Dennis

Hello,

Well I read in your profile that you work as a programmer. As someone working in the states, you must pay federal taxes along with other general taxes. These funds include you as a participant in something you voice disagreement against (monitoring by government agents at different levels in the chain of command). At one end you can disagree with the "puppet masters", but in relation you participate along the same lines. You mentioned the state of need and so this is the issue I had to address.

peace

[ulli]

Where is Thunder? What happened?? He wasn't spamming, he was helping the mods...I thought....
:confused:

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

I pay Federal taxes because who'd take care of Wolfie if I were in prison?
Signing off,
Agent Paula :wave:

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Love/Wolf_zpse538972d.JPG

I understand you needs and desires. :) But it has to be brought up in a serious discussion about disagreement of the people you give money too to further the agenda you disagree with. It is hard though considering the desire we all have for various thing in life. Stay strong and happy. :)

[Sierra]

... Tho at the same time i've noticed its very easy for (myself definately) and others to flare up emotionally with stuff that's put out there to be deliberately upsetting or trigger a reaction.

Oh right. Yeah ... Very good training, having 3_letter_yahoos around to take the charge off fear based thinking. After awhile, you really start to recognize it ... <yawn>

Agent Sierra

[Freed Fox]

I understand you needs and desires. :) But it has to be brought up in a serious discussion about disagreement of the people you give money too to further the agenda you disagree with. It is hard though considering the desire we all have for various thing in life. Stay strong and happy. :)

Well, the smartest thing to do for someone who agrees with (and lives by) your position, would be to remain silent about it. Wouldn't want to be leaving any bread crumbs for the IRS to follow, would we? :)

[firstlook]

I understand you needs and desires. :) But it has to be brought up in a serious discussion about disagreement of the people you give money too to further the agenda you disagree with. It is hard though considering the desire we all have for various thing in life. Stay strong and happy. :)

Well, the smartest thing to do for someone who agrees with (and lives by) your position, would be to remain silent about it. Wouldn't want to be leaving any bread crumbs for the IRS to follow, would we? :)

That I cant agree with. If you are going to live my position, keeping silent about it is cognitive dissidence and would drain one heart and mental energy. Living in fear is always gonna come with being human no matter what choices you make, but to keep it secret is something that eats away at a person and makes them bitter and fanatic.

I wish merely to be balanced and support others along the same path. Its tough but ultimately satisfying to ones heart. Makes missing out on money and job stability not so bad after all.

:)

P.S.

Great Sig.

[RunningDeer]

Wireless is unreliable. Everything interferes with it, explaining how it works may help a bit. It doesnt just send out one "wave" of information that gets recieved by something else, it sends the same message many many times, as the signal bounces/reflects/dissaperars off objects around you, yet it works because the recieving unit knows this and listens to everything it can and pieces the jigsaw puzzell back together again to get the single "wave" of information. Alot of electronics interfere with wireless, like your microwave and mobile phone. some of the earlier wireless deviecs would completely drop out if you bought a 3G phone into the room or turned your microwave on. Tho... not saying net your problems are caused by this... just saying as an IT nerd i personally stay away from it because of reliability/stability issues.

Hi TigaHawk,

My wireless device is less than two years old so is my Mac computer. And it has been 100% reliable. My cell phone is 14ish years old. (old, old beam me up Scotty model) I use it 5 times a year. It's off the rest of the time. I have a scalar system to counter whatever else I can. The micro oven is used 11 seconds a day and is then unplugged.

I posted last month that three radio/iPod clock died on me. Different models, purchased at different times, and a couple were hardly used. And a 3 month old vacuum cleaner went kaput that I paid extra for a “quality” model.

So my conclusion is that there’s more that meets the eye here.

Peace,
Paula :wave:

UPDATE: Deleted last part.

[naste.de.lumina]

I understand you needs and desires. :) But it has to be brought up in a serious discussion about disagreement of the people you give money too to further the agenda you disagree with. It is hard though considering the desire we all have for various thing in life. Stay strong and happy. :)

Well, the smartest thing to do for someone who agrees with (and lives by) your position, would be to remain silent about it. Wouldn't want to be leaving any bread crumbs for the IRS to follow, would we? :)

That I cant agree with. If you are going to live my position, keeping silent about it is cognitive dissidence and would drain one heart and mental energy. Living in fear is always gonna come with being human no matter what choices you make, but to keep it secret is something that eats away at a person and makes them bitter and fanatic.

I wish merely to be balanced and support others along the same path. Its tough but ultimately satisfying to ones heart. Makes missing out on money and job stability not so bad after all.

:)

P.S.

Great Sig.

It is a matter of conscience,
Are you with your choices, there's no lying to yourself.
I honestly think some people feel more fear than others.

Peace in the heart brother.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hey Nanno,

I dont know if you realize how much harm threads like this can do . Why not just message a mod or Bill himself and handle the issue quietly?

Threads like this can go so wrong, so fast, it's crazy...

Yes and No. Information is not dangerous,. what we do with it can be... we are all adults and i respect that

thank you for the heads up.

Naniu

Hi Naniu,

I just want to make a few comments.. .. I agree that information is inherently not dangerous. But implied information is, as well as incomplete information. What you posted (even if I may tend to agree with you) is open to interpretation and speculation, both are qualities that feed our emotions of doubt and distrust. So in this case I agree with Cristian. I am thinking that a further disclosure from yourself as to the intent of your post would be helpful.

We may all be adults here but many, too many of us, have also been hurt, abused, stalked and in any number of ways compromised by people of ill intent. You are wise and know the effects of these things.

It is also true that while you are well known on the forum to some you may not be well known to many especially to the many viewers we never see. I am sure Bill and the mods of Avalon are pretty savvy in this area however any real suspicions passed on would help us in being ever vigilant. We have found that as a team we have better judgement than any single person could.

Thanks!

I am most happy to comply.

I am doing my part in what i do best. I explain this is my intuition. I do not know any security personell or have any leaked info. I stay well clear from that sort of thing , that is truly dangerous.

I would like to point out firstly our beloved Bill Ryan did in fact start a thread on this subject. To bring attention to it. All i am doing is an extension of that thread pertaining to our Avalon Family.

Regardless of what people thing about such things it is trule that even our most innocent of readers and members may not even think of such things. Perhaps even giving personal data to people that befriend on here. Its time to tighten the belt , i mean take a look around ... theres some seriously big stuff going on and its irrisponsible if we do not make ammends.

A warning of something that is mostly common sense to some that may not be so obvious to others, is pertinent to our Avalon Family.

Ill state this now. Im not on a witch hunt. Its just a heads up, thats all.

and if something like this surprises you then this is a good thing to realise.

Love and big huge squishy hugs

Naniu

[Freed Fox]

That I cant agree with. If you are going to live my position, keeping silent about it is cognitive dissidence and would drain one heart and mental energy. Living in fear is always gonna come with being human no matter what choices you make, but to keep it secret is something that eats away at a person and makes them bitter and fanatic.

I wish merely to be balanced and support others along the same path. Its tough but ultimately satisfying to ones heart. Makes missing out on money and job stability not so bad after all.

:)

P.S.

Great Sig.

I can see your point firstlook, but it still strikes me as throwing up red flags unnecessarily. As is understood, we are being watched here, and elsewhere. While openness in such a regard might be beneficial to ones own peace of mind, as well as a show of integrity/solidarity, it can feasibly lead to the indefinite incarceration of an individual who might have otherwise done a lot of good on the outside. I don't want to see anyone here go to prison, particularly for something as admirable as denying their support to the military-industrial complex.

Call it being sly, rather than fearful. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Where is Thunder? What happened?? He wasn't spamming, he was helping the mods...I thought....
:confused:

Thunder24 joined ResistETIntervention in the penalty box, while the mods examine the situation. Thunder24 spammed almost the same message 7 times, to some of the same xthesurge0nx threads that ResistETIntervention spammed on. I've since deleted all but one of each.

[firstlook]

I can see your point firstlook, but it still strikes me as throwing up red flags unnecessarily. As is understood, we are being watched here, and elsewhere. While openness in such a regard might be beneficial to ones own peace of mind, as well as a show of integrity/solidarity, it can feasibly lead to the indefinite incarceration of an individual who might have otherwise done a lot of good on the outside. I don't want to see anyone here go to prison, particularly for something as admirable as denying their support of the military-industrial complex.

Call it being sly, rather than fearful. :)

I agree with the issue of survival. If your going to work, not under the table, you'll want to pay taxes. But again I have to bring up the contradiction, not so much a red flag....more so intelligent discussion. No flags, no fear, jst discussing ideas and points.

again the issue im bringing up is simply the idea to condemn something while on other hand supporting the same thing, Its cognitive dissidence as I mention earlier and should never be pushed away from discussion. Growing is painful sometimes, but I promise not to make it seem like its forced on anyone here. :)

[TigaHawk]

... Tho at the same time i've noticed its very easy for (myself definately) and others to flare up emotionally with stuff that's put out there to be deliberately upsetting or trigger a reaction.

Oh right. Yeah ... Very good training, having 3_letter_yahoos around to take the charge off fear based thinking. After awhile, you really start to recognize it ... <yawn>

Agent Sierra


Was moreso trying for.. um... like when someone posts something saying help stop this along with a vid.... you watch an animal cruelty vid, you get upset and angry no? (or just dont watch it because you know you will not like it and dont want those feelings)

stuff like that. Another example i guess would be the Ammach? thread. Had a flick through it myself, seemed quite heated and i stayed out of it as i never followed it and only have a brief idea on what it's about. Few other posts i have seen lately as well seem to be written by trolls, purely to incite a reaction, via pulling on specific strings, trying to create a fence and get X people to sit one side and Y another, with emphasis on emotional triggers to set people off.

Unless i've completely missed what you were referring too by 3 letter yahoo's? Edit - Those 3 letter yahoo's - i get it now! :D

[Sierra]

My wireless device is less than two years old so is my Mac computer. And it has been 100% reliable. My cell phone is 12ish years old. (old, old beam me up Scotty model) I use it 5 times a year. It's off the rest of the time. I have a scalar system to counter whatever else I can. The micro oven is used 11 seconds a day and is then unplugged.

I posted last month that three radio/iPod clock died on me. Different models, purchased at different times, and a couple were hardly used. And a 3 month old vacuum cleaner went kaput that I paid extra for a “quality” model.

So my conclusion is that there’s more than meets the eye here.

Peace,
Paula :wave:

Paula,

As many people here have experienced, when you hit a certain stage in kundalini rising, electronic equipment goes bananas. Don't be surprised if you start exploding street lights.

And major congratulations on the full healing of your deaf ear! Part of the same thing, I am sure!

Love, Sierra

[Sierra]

... Tho at the same time i've noticed its very easy for (myself definately) and others to flare up emotionally with stuff that's put out there to be deliberately upsetting or trigger a reaction.

Oh right. Yeah ... Very good training, having 3_letter_yahoos around to take the charge off fear based thinking. After awhile, you really start to recognize it ... <yawn>

Agent Sierra


Was moreso trying for.. um... like when someone posts something saying help stop this along with a vid.... you watch an animal cruelty vid, you get upset and angry no? (or just dont watch it because you know you will not like it and dont want those feelings)

stuff like that. Another example i guess would be the Ammach? thread. Had a flick through it myself, seemed quite heated and i stayed out of it as i never followed it and only have a brief idea on what it's about. Few other posts i have seen lately as well seem to be written by trolls, purely to incite a reaction, via pulling on specific strings, trying to create a fence and get X people to sit one side and Y another, with emphasis on emotional triggers to set people off.

Unless i've completely missed what you were referring too by 3 letter yahoo's?

Nope, you got it. :) Reaction incitement is it. NSA, CIA, FBI love to incite fear.

I know what you mean about the animal videos, nothing gets to me faster than cruelty to animals. Cruelty to the small, weak and helpless, is a big part of the 3 letter yahoo programming. I get upset, then I go away and pray for the fallen, give thanks that their pain has caused me growth, that their next lifetime will be filled with love. Figure that is the best I can do to make change, where I am helpless to make 3D change, if that makes sense Tiga.

Not all tears are bad.

Sierra

[BrianEn]

I just realized Thunder isn't on my friends list which is a gross oversight site so as soon as he's back in the good books that can be corrected. Hint hint to the mods.

[gripreaper]

hang on, I'll go check it out.

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/15/XzUCXuHmnkWKX3ssBUqdRA2.gif

[BrianEn]

Love that Grip

[Justintime]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

Yeah, seriously on the surface it is so damn easy to stop the machine.
A-stop paying taxes to support its many malevolent and sneaky activities.
B- stop working for the system that intends on enslaving us and or turning us into misdirected fools or worse
C- Refuse to use money, create your own system of economics, create small independent communities etc. etc.

But, I've got a family to support, etc etc, oh and honestly I just don't feel the need to become self sufficient, or I don't want to learn I don't know. Paying taxes and living within the system that loves to rape us is sort of like eating meat. I didn't kill this animal and its already dead sooooooo.

[BrianEn]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

Yeah, seriously on the surface it is so damn easy to stop the machine.
A-stop paying taxes to support its many malevolent and sneaky activities.
B- stop working for the system that intends on enslaving us and or turning us into misdirected fools or worse
C- Refuse to use money, create your own system of economics, create small independent communities etc. etc.

But, I've got a family to support, etc etc, oh and honestly I just don't feel the need to become self sufficient, or I don't want to learn I don't know. Paying taxes and living within the system that loves to rape us is sort of like eating meat. I didn't kill this animal and its already dead sooooooo.



Nothing wrong with living within the system. You'll do your family no good if you're in jail which is precisely where you'll end if you don't your taxes. George Noorey says it all the time.

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

Yeah, seriously on the surface it is so damn easy to stop the machine.
A-stop paying taxes to support its many malevolent and sneaky activities.
B- stop working for the system that intends on enslaving us and or turning us into misdirected fools or worse
C- Refuse to use money, create your own system of economics, create small independent communities etc. etc.

But, I've got a family to support, etc etc, oh and honestly I just don't feel the need to become self sufficient, or I don't want to learn I don't know. Paying taxes and living within the system that loves to rape us is sort of like eating meat. I didn't kill this animal and its already dead sooooooo.

Indeed. It the issue of how to bring about change. It happens in small steps especially if your supporting other people. The growth doesn't come from opposing "groups" but more becoming stronger yourself. Actually the point of becoming self sufficient is the best thing you brought up. But like I said, the most important thing is to make changes slowly and without extra stress and fear. Most of the topics based on opposing nefarious groups or more so nefarious actions by individuals within groups is survival based ideas and independence. It always comes down to that and so most people here using a laptop are already pretty well off compared to much of the population in the world living in much harsher conditions and environments. This makes the debate more about fine detail of how americans living in privilege can help purify the idea of survival on this planet for everyones well being. That seems always to come to the issue of the better your off both physically and spiritually, it seems it is a result of being more independent. I guess this is the overall point im trying to contribute to this thread.

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

Yeah, seriously on the surface it is so damn easy to stop the machine.
A-stop paying taxes to support its many malevolent and sneaky activities.
B- stop working for the system that intends on enslaving us and or turning us into misdirected fools or worse
C- Refuse to use money, create your own system of economics, create small independent communities etc. etc.

But, I've got a family to support, etc etc, oh and honestly I just don't feel the need to become self sufficient, or I don't want to learn I don't know. Paying taxes and living within the system that loves to rape us is sort of like eating meat. I didn't kill this animal and its already dead sooooooo.



Nothing wrong with living within the system. You'll do your family no good if you're in jail which is precisely where you'll end if you don't your taxes. George Noorey says it all the time.

very true. but we must always examine the benefits as well the damage our choices make. I don't condone choices that will lead to ones situation turning into jail time. nevertheless we must be honest about choices we make and reflect on how we live on this planet to better understand the general situation of things. If only for the sake of intellectual reflection.

[Justintime]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

Yeah, seriously on the surface it is so damn easy to stop the machine.
A-stop paying taxes to support its many malevolent and sneaky activities.
B- stop working for the system that intends on enslaving us and or turning us into misdirected fools or worse
C- Refuse to use money, create your own system of economics, create small independent communities etc. etc.

But, I've got a family to support, etc etc, oh and honestly I just don't feel the need to become self sufficient, or I don't want to learn I don't know. Paying taxes and living within the system that loves to rape us is sort of like eating meat. I didn't kill this animal and its already dead sooooooo.



Nothing wrong with living within the system. You'll do your family no good if you're in jail which is precisely where you'll end if you don't your taxes. George Noorey says it all the time.

There kind of is something inherently wrong dare I say evil about living within the system, just as there is something evil about eating meat. By living within the system we don't really have the right to complain about it. We are all co-creators of our current system. The easiest way to change the system would be to stop living/working in it. Though I don't know if I'm strong enough to forge my own path so to speak its definitely possible, there is so much unoccupied land out there in America as is probably the case in most places. I mean the population density in places like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska etc, forget about it, easy places to blend in if you ask me.

[BrianEn]

I just realized Thunder isn't on my friends list which is a gross oversight site so as soon as he's back in the good books that can be corrected. Hint hint to the mods.



Done sent that request. Guess who's home again.

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis

No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace

Yeah, seriously on the surface it is so damn easy to stop the machine.
A-stop paying taxes to support its many malevolent and sneaky activities.
B- stop working for the system that intends on enslaving us and or turning us into misdirected fools or worse
C- Refuse to use money, create your own system of economics, create small independent communities etc. etc.

But, I've got a family to support, etc etc, oh and honestly I just don't feel the need to become self sufficient, or I don't want to learn I don't know. Paying taxes and living within the system that loves to rape us is sort of like eating meat. I didn't kill this animal and its already dead sooooooo.



Nothing wrong with living within the system. You'll do your family no good if you're in jail which is precisely where you'll end if you don't your taxes. George Noorey says it all the time.

There kind of is something inherently wrong dare I say evil about living within the system, just as there is something evil about eating meat. By living within the system we don't really have the right to complain about it. We are all co-creators of our current system. The easiest way to change the system would be to stop living/working in it. Though I don't know if I'm strong enough to forge my own path so to speak its definitely possible, there is so much unoccupied land out there in America as is probably the case in most places. I mean the population density in places like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska etc, forget about it, easy places to blend in if you ask me.

LAND. This is the issue I am at struggle with right now. How to safely occupy "public land" and hold off force from enforcement to vacate that land through my right as a human being. im pretty sure others have done so by simply discussing with "authorities" that I am not actually claiming to own the land I live on but more am upholding my right to survive and live. The language will come to me one day I suppose.

You hit on a very crucial topic IMO. I am in agreement with that direction.

[ThePythonicCow]

Where is Thunder? What happened?? He wasn't spamming, he was helping the mods...I thought....
:confused:

Thunder24 is out of the penalty box and back as a forum member in good and full standing.

[Christine]

Slippery slope! of try to catch us if you can!

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Cat-Trying-to-Run-Up-Slide.gif

Inspired by the gripreaper himself.

[thunder24]

LAND. This is the issue I am at struggle with right now. How to safely occupy "public land" and hold off force from enforcement to vacate that land through my right as a human being. im pretty sure others have done so by simply discussing with "authorities" that I am not actually claiming to own the land I live on but more am upholding my right to survive and live. The language will come to me one day I suppose.

You hit on a very crucial topic IMO. I am in agreement with that direction.
do you hike, I hear the Appalachian trail is beautiful... do you know your flora and fauna? that might b helpful to b on public land and not pay for nothing... if you want to eat... do you eat meat? you can hunt and fish... own some rope, or a tent, or a hammer?

The best way to hold off force, is not to b seen... a friend told me one time "its better to b a live dog, then a dead lion"
You can remain in one spot in the national forests for upto thirty days if im not mistaken.... just don't b taken....lol

peace

[BrianEn]

LAND. This is the issue I am at struggle with right now. How to safely occupy "public land" and hold off force from enforcement to vacate that land through my right as a human being. im pretty sure others have done so by simply discussing with "authorities" that I am not actually claiming to own the land I live on but more am upholding my right to survive and live. The language will come to me one day I suppose.

You hit on a very crucial topic IMO. I am in agreement with that direction.
do you hike, I hear the Appalachian trail is beautiful... do you know your flora and fauna? that might b helpful to b on public land and not pay for nothing... if you want to eat... do you eat meat? you can hunt and fish... own some rope, or a tent, or a hammer?

The best way to hold off force, is not to b seen... a friend told me one time "its better to b a live dog, then a dead lion"
You can remain in one spot in the national forests for upto thirty days if im not mistaken.... just don't b taken....lol

peace


I'd love to be able to stuff like that again. Hoping for one day.....soon I hope. Right now things is the way they is.

[Justintime]

"The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others- as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders- serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God"

This is a passage from "Civil Disobedience," by Henry David Thoreau he certainly says it better than me. If you read through Walden and Civil Disobedience you"ll begin to see scores upon scores of references to the system as serving the devil. Quite surprising that some people throughout history have always been aware of this.

A PDF link to Thoreau's Civil Disobedience: http://tamut.edu/faculty%20web%20pages/walter%20casey/DOCUMENTS/CV-and-papers/Henry%20David%20Thoreau.pdf

Starts on page nine and is a short read.

[thunder24]

well the "they" that are monitoring us, are also , studying for astuteness.... one must assume that they are always being watched or listened too... and that doesn't have to b by what we term "technology" but it can also b that...

the groups that are monitoring us most likely have a list or group of lists... mayb color codes....of ones abilities, and or knowledge base within certain fields... and this can all b done, but observeing us here, and then doing proper channel checking to find someone.... its all known, we just dont' know it...
peace


LAND. This is the issue I am at struggle with right now. How to safely occupy "public land" and hold off force from enforcement to vacate that land through my right as a human being. im pretty sure others have done so by simply discussing with "authorities" that I am not actually claiming to own the land I live on but more am upholding my right to survive and live. The language will come to me one day I suppose.

You hit on a very crucial topic IMO. I am in agreement with that direction.
do you hike, I hear the Appalachian trail is beautiful... do you know your flora and fauna? that might b helpful to b on public land and not pay for nothing... if you want to eat... do you eat meat? you can hunt and fish... own some rope, or a tent, or a hammer?

The best way to hold off force, is not to b seen... a friend told me one time "its better to b a live dog, then a dead lion"
You can remain in one spot in the national forests for upto thirty days if im not mistaken.... just don't b taken....lol

peace


I'd love to be able to stuff like that again. Hoping for one day.....soon I hope. Right now things is the way they is. bri hopefully one day you can come down and visit.... Ill show you

[firstlook]

LAND. This is the issue I am at struggle with right now. How to safely occupy "public land" and hold off force from enforcement to vacate that land through my right as a human being. im pretty sure others have done so by simply discussing with "authorities" that I am not actually claiming to own the land I live on but more am upholding my right to survive and live. The language will come to me one day I suppose.

You hit on a very crucial topic IMO. I am in agreement with that direction.
do you hike, I hear the Appalachian trail is beautiful... do you know your flora and fauna? that might b helpful to b on public land and not pay for nothing... if you want to eat... do you eat meat? you can hunt and fish... own some rope, or a tent, or a hammer?

The best way to hold off force, is not to b seen... a friend told me one time "its better to b a live dog, then a dead lion"
You can remain in one spot in the national forests for upto thirty days if im not mistaken.... just don't b taken....lol

peace

Good advice. I guess the issue im trying to overcome is instead of going against authority I can sustain myself while still exiting out in the open......all that running around could make this dog tired and without his playfulness that brought him to such places like Avalon.

I know how to survive if I really had and wanted to by living off of the land, its the sneaking around that breaks my spirits and issue I have. Im working on it. Anyway I truly believe that our ability to communicate is what has brought about whatever peace and joy we have in this world, and I believe more of it will continue that progress when it comes to living with and at the same time without others. Its tricky and mind numbing this process. :p

[Dennis Leahy]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis



No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace
No offense taken - but I don't understand what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

Dennis

Hello,

Well I read in your profile that you work as a programmer. As someone working in the states, you must pay federal taxes along with other general taxes. These funds include you as a participant in something you voice disagreement against (monitoring by government agents at different levels in the chain of command). At one end you can disagree with the "puppet masters", but in relation you participate along the same lines. You mentioned the state of need and so this is the issue I had to address.

peace
OK, now I get what you're saying, and I totally disagree. I reject your premise as false logic.

If a robber comes up to me in the street, and holds a gun to my head, and I acquiesce (rather than become a brain splatter pattern on the sidewalk) and hand over my money, I'm not responsible whether the guy uses the money to buy organic food for his starving children or methamphetamine for himself. The US government IS that thug, plain and simple. Rather than a gun, it is a prison cell that awaits those who don't pay taxes in the US (and if any of you are not paying, and no one noticed yet, please don't be silly enough to type it on a public forum - I know a few who do not pay and have not yet been caught. And of course I know the amendment wasn't really ratified yadda yadda yadda...)

In fact, even if a government became democratic socialist, the pooled resources (money) would almost undoubtedly not be used exactly the way I would want. That is NOT the same as chipping in some money so Obomber can purchase depleted uranium to tip a Hellfire missile and send it at a wedding party.

People who take a position at the NSA or similar and receive a paycheck for monitoring citizens or for delivering the Elite agenda are paid with blood money, extracted from citizens (and probably from opium, cocaine, black market weapons sales, etc.) by coercion. You can conflate that since my wallet is a source for the thugs' money to pay the agents, that I share the onus, but I don't - and won't.

Dennis

[Justintime]

Dennis,

We all have the option of trying to live elsewhere, independent of money, the government, etc, etc, the world is still big enough for us to forge a life out in the wilderness somewhere. Our quality of life would most likely go down dramatically though if we did this and I suspect fear holds us back. So in a sense we are all selling out to the man so to speak. However, if we just refused to play the game and we did so in large numbers, as a majority, the game would be over. Also, if enough us refused to pay our taxes,eventually we would clog the system and it would break down. It's not as simple as us being forced to do something against our will. And unlike a random thug stealing our money, we pretty much know where our money is going to. Fear, Rape, Torture, Mind F...ing, welfare programs, schools, roads( if we're lucky) development of covert technology(black magic), war, drones, Fear, Rape, Murder, Torture, and Sex.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2751697

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis



No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace
No offense taken - but I don't understand what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

Dennis

Hello,

Well I read in your profile that you work as a programmer. As someone working in the states, you must pay federal taxes along with other general taxes. These funds include you as a participant in something you voice disagreement against (monitoring by government agents at different levels in the chain of command). At one end you can disagree with the "puppet masters", but in relation you participate along the same lines. You mentioned the state of need and so this is the issue I had to address.

peace
OK, now I get what you're saying, and I totally disagree. I reject your premise as false logic.

If a robber comes up to me in the street, and holds a gun to my head, and I acquiesce (rather than become a brain splatter pattern on the sidewalk) and hand over my money, I'm not responsible whether the guy uses the money to buy organic food for his starving children or methamphetamine for himself. The US government IS that thug, plain and simple. Rather than a gun, it is a prison cell that awaits those who don't pay taxes in the US (and if any of you are not paying, and no one noticed yet, please don't be silly enough to type it on a public forum - I know a few who do not pay and have not yet been caught. And of course I know the amendment wasn't really ratified yadda yadda yadda...)

In fact, even if a government became democratic socialist, the pooled resources (money) would almost undoubtedly not be used exactly the way I would want. That is NOT the same as chipping in some money so Obomber can purchase depleted uranium to tip a Hellfire missile and send it at a wedding party.

People who take a position at the NSA or similar and receive a paycheck for monitoring citizens or for delivering the Elite agenda are paid with blood money, extracted from citizens (and probably from opium, cocaine, black market weapons sales, etc.) by coercion. You can conflate that since my wallet is a source for the thugs' money to pay the agents, that I share the onus, but I don't - and won't.

Dennis

well the issue I see with your comparison is that you agreed to certain conditions by using an id, agreed to a contract when you bought your home and have signed documents when you enlisted a job say you would pay the..."thugs". While I appreciate your analogy it is a simple one that does not account for your actual choices in the matter.

Indeed force is used, but again, you yourself came into a bond and attachment by participating and entering into the dragons lair in the first place. I understand the survival aspect and why these choices are made, but again, we have to examine the irony of our complaints while at the same time working against them. So to use another simple analogy I would say you invited the thug in for dinner and said help your self to what you like while at the same time complaining about his actions and talking with your friends about how you wont support his actions. Its silly when you think about it. Im not trying to instigate anything just intelligently trying to analyze the situation.

[SKAWF]

does it matter? if they are watching i mean......

just remember, that at all times we can walk tall and proud

but if they show themselves, its all over for them.

i would rather walk in the sunlight than skulk around in the shadows like a peeping tom.

realise your strength

[Tesseract]

I've thought for some time that registering one's business (if one has one) in the Cayman islands (for example) instead of the USA, a la Mitt 'No one will ever think I'm doing this to screw the military' Romney, is not necessarily a selfish thing to do.

For the record, I do see the moral downsides too...

[TigaHawk]

hang on, I'll go check it out.

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/15/XzUCXuHmnkWKX3ssBUqdRA2.gif

Pretty picture! But how does the door close? :D


With taxes... i can understand their purpose. To pay for roads and public infastructure and all that jazz. I would not mind paying them if the money was actually used for those things, and properly spent.

Currently the taxes are over the top, they are nothing more than petty excuses for the government to be able to stick their hand in and take more money from your pockets. The blatant misuse and waste of it all is even more appauling. I do definately do mind paying tax with the current way the system is setup.


In regards to going off the grid, i'd love to do it, but it seems an impossible task without aleniating/isolating myself from everything. Even when you buy a plot of land, its not yours, you are leasing it from the Government. X feet below the ground on that plot of land doesnt belong to you either - the government owns it and should they discover that your house sits ontop of something they want, they'll take it from under you and leave you with nothing - all through "legal" means.

If you were to go out to the bush, find a piece of land thats seemingly un-owned and setup shop there (even if in just a tent) - i dont think it would be too long untill you would be found, and people of authority come to remove you.... and fine you, for being there. It doesnt matter to them if you were hurting noone, disturbing noone, and living 100% green (not polluting or wrecking the area that you settled) - they seem to be entitled to tell you what you can and cannot do - and punish you according to whatever they feel like should they think you've done something they dont agree with.

But this is the same with everything in the system. Conform or they'll make your life miserable, through harasment, fines, threats, physical and psycological abuse, defamity, you name it, they'll do it - all with the legal system's blessings and turning blind eyes to people of authority when they overstep the line.

Focusing on living outside the system is a waste, should be focusing on tearing down the system and erecting one designed by the people, built for the peoples best interests - rather than a system built by the few, for the few, with emphasis only for the few, at the expense of everyone else.

[gripreaper]

Energy around here runs in "themes". This post is appropriate for this thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61237-What-if-time-is-on-our-side&p=703492#post703492

I might add, we are all slaves. Our birth certificates hypoticated, pledged, and collateralized us, and we volunteered to get SS numbers, licenses, and registrations. We are under contract by adhesion, and very few have stepped outside the system and become sovereign. It's not an easy thing to do and requires years of research and understanding.

Those who do exit cannot step back in, or have any contact with those still in the system. They risk it all if they do. The break has to be clean and final. You step back in and they will single you out. They don't mind you leaving, just be sure you understand what it means to do so.

[mosquito]

Id like to bring to your attention that there is a total of 36 ( possibly more ) operatives here on Avalon from 4 sepperate groups of compartmentalised factions.


Obviously you aren't going to name names, but could you at least enlighten us as to who these "groups" or "factions" are ?

It baffles me that intelligent, thought-provoking threads (getting scarcer by the way) can go totally unnoticed, yet another one of these tedious accusatory threads now has 5 bloody pages after 7 odd hours.

[Wind]

I just had to share this here, it's too funny. NSA, please don't get mad, I'm just joking! :p

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2874/8988666085_0749d7fcea_b.jpg

[mojo]

Sure they are watching and not likely to change a system of data mining and using operatives if it works, but maybe we use that to our advantage and help shape public opinion or more importantly changing tptb's attitude to us. Another concern might be to avoid propagating an 'us vs them mentality,' lest we forget we are the ones doing these things to ourselves.


rrbnbmA3n5o

[Dennis Leahy]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis



No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace
No offense taken - but I don't understand what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

Dennis

Hello,

Well I read in your profile that you work as a programmer. As someone working in the states, you must pay federal taxes along with other general taxes. These funds include you as a participant in something you voice disagreement against (monitoring by government agents at different levels in the chain of command). At one end you can disagree with the "puppet masters", but in relation you participate along the same lines. You mentioned the state of need and so this is the issue I had to address.

peace
OK, now I get what you're saying, and I totally disagree. I reject your premise as false logic.

If a robber comes up to me in the street, and holds a gun to my head, and I acquiesce (rather than become a brain splatter pattern on the sidewalk) and hand over my money, I'm not responsible whether the guy uses the money to buy organic food for his starving children or methamphetamine for himself. The US government IS that thug, plain and simple. Rather than a gun, it is a prison cell that awaits those who don't pay taxes in the US (and if any of you are not paying, and no one noticed yet, please don't be silly enough to type it on a public forum - I know a few who do not pay and have not yet been caught. And of course I know the amendment wasn't really ratified yadda yadda yadda...)

In fact, even if a government became democratic socialist, the pooled resources (money) would almost undoubtedly not be used exactly the way I would want. That is NOT the same as chipping in some money so Obomber can purchase depleted uranium to tip a Hellfire missile and send it at a wedding party.

People who take a position at the NSA or similar and receive a paycheck for monitoring citizens or for delivering the Elite agenda are paid with blood money, extracted from citizens (and probably from opium, cocaine, black market weapons sales, etc.) by coercion. You can conflate that since my wallet is a source for the thugs' money to pay the agents, that I share the onus, but I don't - and won't.

Dennis

well the issue I see with your comparison is that you agreed to certain conditions by using an id, agreed to a contract when you bought your home and have signed documents when you enlisted a job say you would pay the..."thugs". While I appreciate your analogy it is a simple one that does not account for your actual choices in the matter.

Indeed force is used, but again, you yourself came into a bond and attachment by participating and entering into the dragons lair in the first place. I understand the survival aspect and why these choices are made, but again, we have to examine the irony of our complaints while at the same time working against them. So to use another simple analogy I would say you invited the thug in for dinner and said help your self to what you like while at the same time complaining about his actions and talking with your friends about how you wont support his actions. Its silly when you think about it. Im not trying to instigate anything just intelligently trying to analyze the situation.

All hail those who are in prison for tax evasion, (ironically, feeding cash into the prison industrial complex), who refuse to pay taxes, for they are the only ones who really oppose the US Empire! hahahaah sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling.

Please feel free to personally accept the onus if you feel you are willingly paying for the Evil Empire to do its dirty deeds, or feel free to stop filing US federal income tax. Brag about it publicly if you feel the need. I will personally do what I feel holds my strongest possibility of actually affecting the future in a positive way - and disassembling Empire.

If you are alive, you are breathing. By breathing you exhale carbon dioxide. A tree takes in the carbon dioxide that you exhaled, and through photosynthesis, forms wood. Someone comes along and harvests the tree and makes arrows. An army of sociopathic mercenaries is assembled by the ruling psychopaths. 10,000 people are ambushed and killed with the arrows. Will you accept that onus too? You helped to bring about the death of 10,000 innocent people. It's true whether you pay taxes or not, whether you expatriate, or whether you hide in the forest. (It's a hypothetical, but as long as you are alive, some bad logic can be created that labels you as responsible for some atrocity. It's a word game.)

Dennis, not an "agent" nor "member" of the Psychopaths of Empire, in spite of firstlook's false logic.

(this is off topic, and if the mods want to split it off, that's fine)

[Sierra]

Indeed force is used, but again, you yourself came into a bond and attachment by participating and entering into the dragons lair in the first place. I understand the survival aspect and why these choices are made, but again, we have to examine the irony of our complaints while at the same time working against them. So to use another simple analogy I would say you invited the thug in for dinner and said help your self to what you like while at the same time complaining about his actions and talking with your friends about how you wont support his actions. Its silly when you think about it. Im not trying to instigate anything just intelligently trying to analyze the situation.

There is no irony. There is no analysis to be done. We are all slaves, but some of are awake, and discussing the situation. That we are slaves, does not presuppose there should be no discussion.

[T Smith]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)

Dennis



No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups. I would assume that is the biggest procrastination in this forum. Again, no ill will meant.

peace
No offense taken - but I don't understand what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

Dennis

Hello,

Well I read in your profile that you work as a programmer. As someone working in the states, you must pay federal taxes along with other general taxes. These funds include you as a participant in something you voice disagreement against (monitoring by government agents at different levels in the chain of command). At one end you can disagree with the "puppet masters", but in relation you participate along the same lines. You mentioned the state of need and so this is the issue I had to address.

peace

I guess when the Corleones come to my coffee shop for a shake-down that makes me part of the mob?

[Dennis Leahy]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups.
at the end of the day you are correct.
If firstlook had said we all have some responsibility (for not uniting and effectively dealing with Empire), that would be one thing, but he has conflated the paying of taxes to being an NSA agent! It is beyond hyperbole, it is incorrect, it is false logic. There is a clear difference between a paid agent and the victims of a shakedown.

And with that, I'll drop it. Anyone can accept as much onus as they want. Oh, and by the way, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt - you were asking to be raped. It's all your own fault. (that's what I think of these word games)

Dennis

[marlowe]

The danger is in mistaking the merely misguided for the moles.

I have problems with posters that say "chemtrails don't exist"..........I don't see how anybody can be THAT misguided...

Or all crop circles are made by earth born human beings....
I wasn't planning to post on this thread but there it is..

[Another1]

It baffles me that intelligent, thought-provoking threads (getting scarcer by the way) can go totally unnoticed, yet another one of these tedious accusatory threads now has 5 bloody pages after 7 odd hours.

I've been certain for quite some time that this is by design. I used to experiment at odd hours by placing opinions in an empty chat room or sleepy forum. Come back an hour later to find them buried under a ton of pure nonsense posts or more fear-porn-events that could happen any moment now.

The entire base psyop being run could very well be, "How many different ways can we convince them all is lost. Don't even try to stand up?"

[TigaHawk]

Since this thread seems to be getting looked at....

Can mods please do something about the video spamming guy?

Something about using a loophole in the forum rules to spam post, but because they are based on a specific topic they seem to be allowed?

All that it is is post after post after post of a video from youtube, with the video title and summary also copied in directly from youtube - no replies or other comments at all acompany this - and they now take up several pages on a particular part of these forums...

thanks in advance.

[T Smith]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups.
at the end of the day you are correct.
If firstlook had said we all have some responsibility (for not uniting and effectively dealing with Empire), that would be one thing, but he has conflated the paying of taxes to being an NSA agent! It is beyond hyperbole, it is incorrect, it is false logic. There is a clear difference between a paid agent and the victims of a shakedown.

And with that, I'll drop it. Anyone can accept as much onus as they want. Oh, and by the way, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt - you were asking to be raped. It's all your own fault. (that's what I think of these word games)

Dennis

I agree. Philosophically there is some truth to his stance given a Thoreauvian take on it, but the analogy of acquiescing to the street thug with a gun, or a to a mob shake-down more than suffices to point out the absurdity of implying the victim is at fault.

[Referee]

After a quick scan through this thread which is very interesting this came to mind and I believe has some weight here....Clears throat.......

7-DoPBdS-XQ

[naste.de.lumina]

During a brief nap, appears in the dream:
Windows of opportunity.
Kidnapping a theme.
'The more controversial the topic, the more easily implement the disappointment.'

Edited
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/TrutherRConsequences1.jpg

[Star Tsar]

After a quick scan through this thread which is very interesting this came to mind and I believe has some weight here....Clears throat.......

7-DoPBdS-XQ

Last Sunday the girl in this video and another where saying some very negative things about Project Avalon & David Icke on the Bases Facebook group...

[Referee]

Interesting do you more on this PM me if needed. I was being only facetious did not know this I know she attacked the founder of Ammach. Would not surprise me if she attacked Bill and David. Seems like always there is an undercurrent attacking. TPTWTB are very concerned we are waking up Really Waking up. Their grip is slipping everywhere.

Makes me smile

On the other hand it plays into the subject of this thread in a big way. NSA attacks especially after PRISIM goes public ??!!??

[fifi]

There are good and bad guys in every organization, and in those alphabet agencies, too. I just hope that while "they" are monitoring us, "they" get a chance to know the truth, and are awakened, and learn who are the good guys, and who are the bad guys, and hopefully will change and act upon their conscience and for the good of the people (not for the PTB).

[Wind]

Even though I must admit that I love technology... I sometimes think that we have in fact created a technological nightmare here on Earth. For tens of thousands of years we have been fighting over stupid and irrelevant things. After we lost connection to the spirit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Kou9TGdi8) we lost everything. Orwell would turn over in his grave if he saw the current society and the direction that we are heading towards. A cold and a robotic society with no heart in it. We have leaders that absolutely do not care about us (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97nAvTVeR6o).

Maybe a blast that would fry all the surveillance technology wouldn't be such a bad thing afterall. This world as it is just isn't sustainable and you can't fix a broken system. You need to start a new one! Back to the roots...

[Azt]

Last Sunday the girl in this video and another where saying some very negative things about Project Avalon & David Icke on the Bases Facebook group...

Have you noticed the 1st picture of this girl on the video, "one eye picture"... It`s all about symbols.

[naste.de.lumina]

Maybe they work only during business hours!!!!!

[Tony]

In a mad world, more madness just keeps
the madness going.

Doesn't it just make you mad!
Tony

[Another1]

In a mad world, more madness just keeps
the madness going.

Doesn't it just make you mad!
Tony


~ good line I remember is that '... the truth will set you free, but first it will p*** you off ...'

Or did you mean the other kind of mad like a few fries short of a happy meal?

[naste.de.lumina]

Even though I must admit that I love technology... I sometimes think that we have in fact created a technological nightmare here on Earth. For tens of thousands of years we have been fighting over stupid and irrelevant things. After we lost connection to the spirit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Kou9TGdi8) we lost everything. Orwell would turn over in his grave if he saw the current society and the direction that we are heading towards. A cold and a robotic society with no heart in it. We have leaders that absolutely do not care about us (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97nAvTVeR6o).

Maybe a blast that would fry all the surveillance technology wouldn't be such a bad thing afterall. This world as it is just isn't sustainable and you can't fix a broken system. You need to start a new one! Back to the roots...

Dear Friend.
The technological development without the against moral part already was reason of destruction of civilizations preceding our.
The spirits of that era continue incarnating and not learn.
And the cycle repeats, repeats, repeats, until we reach the end of the era of proofs and penances.
So many spirits who failed to learn during these chances received, are being sent to another plane of existence more consistent with their low vibrations to start new evolutionary cycle. Starts into barbarism again for these. From mid-1989, the spirits that discarnated with this vibrational frequency, are no longer incarnating on Earth.
We move to an era of regeneration. It is hoped that this cycle go by mid 2050, where only conducive to good spirits are incarnating on planet Earth.
Those who continue incarnating here will be able to more easily develop their spiritual individuals, without the difficulties imposed by that leave us.
Happened before in Chapel. And most of us who have incarnated on Earth since then, we were the ones who were disrupting.
We must pay attention not to make the same mistakes that got us here.
Be in peace.

This text does not intend to terrify, but to try to raise awareness.
There is much more at stake than just current life is.
We are in the final moments of decision between getting back there again or continue from here.
We can not create a new beginning for this our life, but we can create a new ending.
Nobody will be left out. Just be late.
I personally got tired of being late.

[Another1]

... in one of these cycles, maybe this one, maybe the next, this trick of demonizing all the tools used against us won't work, common folks will see the power in tech and begin trying to use it to help everyone ...

Imagine the game changer of millions of random people from all over the world meeting, sharing info, combining intent, cell phone cameras that catch criminals in the act, archives that preserve data even as the megaphone puppets scramble to delete it ... yes, someday, tech could come in handy for the uncommon folk. Trick will be to teach it's not evil. Like a toaster. Make bagels or use it to torture.

[Tony]

Hello Another1,
I suppose I mean sad, that's after feeling p******off!

The Rulers of the World want us to keep speculating,
they fear us not speculating. Anyone who speculates
is doing the Rulers of the World work for them.

What they fear is us knowing the truth, that is
knowing our true nature. Once that is known all
speculation stops.

This truth is the pure awareness reading these words.
However, the very next moment the comments
start which clouds this pure awareness.

This is provable by merely being aware! It's that simple.

Forums if they are not careful, are holding pens for
extreme imaginations, distracting this pure awareness,
which is our true being.

You inner intuition (being) knows what is true. But the mind,
the self cherishing mind that want to find fault. Ideas in
the mind are put there be our environment.

It has always been a spiritual question, never a material question.


Tony

[Wind]

Dear Friend.
The technological development without the against moral part already was reason of destruction of civilizations preceding our.
The spirits of that era continue incarnating and not learn.
And the cycle repeats, repeats, repeats, until we reach the end of the era of proofs and penances.
So many spirits who failed to learn during these chances received, are being sent to another plane of existence more consistent with their low vibrations to start new evolutionary cycle. Starts into barbarism again for these. From mid-1989, the spirits that discarnated with this vibrational frequency, are no longer incarnating on Earth.
We move to an era of regeneration. It is hoped that this cycle go by mid 2050, where only conducive to good spirits are incarnating on planet Earth.
Those who continue incarnating here will be able to more easily develop their spiritual individuals, without the difficulties imposed by that leave us.
Happened before in Chapel. And most of us who have incarnated on Earth since then, we were the ones who were disrupting.
We must pay attention not to make the same mistakes that got us here.
Be in peace.

Dear naste.de.lumina,

I understand. I just sometimes get really compassionate about things like this... I know that many souls will have to learn through karma and samsara... But I just hope that one day we will be once again able to learn through love. The society today is hostile for the soul. Earth seems to be a tough school for many, but it wasn't like that always. There have been other factors that have affected karma and free will so the game is rigged.

Maybe it's not really relevant, but I was incarnated back when Atlantis existed and certain people back then became fascinated with very powerful technology... In the end they choose destructing wars because they wanted more power and control over others. Does technology always lead to that in the end? Maybe at least in the wrong hands and technology somehow always seems to fall in to the wrong hands.

We are just going through intense experiences in this illusion of life. In this dream.

[jiminii]

it is TOTALLY OK if they monitor us ... because THEY ALL are being MONITORED from the future ...we are doing this period of time again ... and BELIEVE ME EVERYONE IS BEING MONITORED ... so THEY .. are deciding WHERE they will BE ... for the NEXT ... TRILLION TRILLION YEARS .... and the places left to put THESE KINDS ... would make EARTH LOOK LIKE HEAVEN ... ...

It's OK ... let them decide THEIR FUTURE ... RIGHT NOW .... MAKE THIS PLACE BETTER .. OR TRY TO DESTROY IT ...

and THEY .. may not believe me ... BUT .. when THEY DIE ... THEY ... WILL KNOW FOR SURE ... and THEN ... it will be TOO LATE

jim

[bogeyman]

All website concerning the subject matters discussed on this forum would be monitored. My articles are monitored by those I filed FOIA requests to. They search for leaked information and to spread the truth, disinformation and misinformation. Its common practice of any counter intelligence officer and agencies.

[Anchor]

Let's hope they learn a thing or two.

[Tony]

They are not worried about what you think you know.
They are worried about your knowing!

As long as you go on thinking it's a material question
they will be happy.

It has always been a spiritual question, never a material question.

Tony

[Tony]

Of course you must realise that 'they' are idiots!
For if 'they' understood the true meaning of our quest
they'd join us.

But 'they' don't they only need to report back that
we are still confused.

So far so good...?!

[Another1]

Of course you must realise that 'they' are idiots!
For if 'they' understood the true meaning of our quest
they'd join us.
So far so good...?!

It's been my suggestion that we help educate them.
Consider a win-win-win play,
we get to share with others,
our sharing feeds an energy field that serves all of us,
'they' may get an education and 'will' be subject to this energy field also.

I can point you to a forum right now that is pure hate, fear, angry boastful threats, people leaving itemized lists of all the weapons they got, etc., etc., I tried telling the people there that they are simply confirming everything the minions have been told to believe. My opinion confused them so I unsubscribed.

Now the ones who get to monitor this place find something different than that other place. Considering how good the game players are, this could even be a honey trap 'they' set up to gather people like me who don't have the time nor stomach to sit on a hate-filled forum. *LOL*
If true though, my 3rd point from above still applies: 'they' may get an education and 'will' be subject to this energy field also.

... we are creators too ...

[Curt]

Wow, a thread like this sure does spin out into a thousand different directions pretty quickly. ;)
So, back to the original purpose of this thread for minute. :attention:

Nannoo: 1.) Which groups do you intuit are monitoring this site? 2.) Why bring it up? 3.) And what, practically speaking, do you suggest we do about it?

:wave:

[ulli]

Curtis, if you look for Nanoo's posts in the thread you will find the answer to your question. You don't have to read every post. He did explain that it was more an intuitive thing...and for the benefit of new members who might not be aware of the fact.

I don't see a thread out of control.
I see two forces in action, the dynamic of which made it grow very quickly...

People's need to express themselves, as individuals,
while at the same time flocking together, perhaps looking for "the action",
due to a need to have contact with others.

To me that is quite a natural occurrence, the essential dynamics of life itself at work.

The point of reference being the nature of the unknown, the mystery, "infiltrators" in the dark recesses.
Perfect formula for a healthy discussion. I for one have no issues with this.
Great thread , Nanu. Clever boy!

[Curt]

Ulli, I appreciate your perspective and tend to agree with much of what you've written. There's often value in a free-ranging discussion. It can reveal quite a lot.

But, a little focus can sometimes be valuable as well.

So, for my part of this discussion, I'd find the clarification of a few points pretty useful.

Specifically, I'm curious which 'agencies' (interpreted broadly) are involved in PA's infiltration, and what if anything, Nanoo is suggesting we can do about it.

I don't see that in his previous posts.



Curtis, if you look for Nanoo's posts in the thread you will find the answer to our question. You don't have to read every post.

I don't see a thread out of control.
I see two forces in action, the dynamic of which made it grow very quickly...

People's need to express themselves, as individuals,
while at the same time flocking together, perhaps looking for "the action",
due to a need to have contact with others.

To me that is quite a natural occurrence, the essential dynamics of life itself at work.

The point of reference being the nature of the unknown, the mystery, "infiltrators" in the dark recesses.
Perfect formula for a healthy discussion. I for one have no issues with this.
Great thread , Nanu. Clever boy!

[DNA]

The 'New Age' is a business model that will never go out of style. Just redesign the packaging and add a feature or two every few years.

~ a study group from Google could be here helping a client plan 2020 cosmic events schedules

Most definitely !

Future is a good word to look at. The plans they make do not include world war but rather back ups in case of civil retaliation. The plan to create the PTB Utopia is in full swing , and they have most of the resources except the numbers, but they more than make up for it in organisation, study, planning , patience and unbelieveablely dastardly intelligence in covert missions.

We do them a favor in un covering and debating their movements. They are more than appreciateive im sure. The more we Talk and are Distracted the higher the propensity is for us to just be content someone may just pop out of the blue and save us.. Yes our job is to discuss possibilities and never act on them ( in their opinion )

The next time line is a plan in sequence to slowly tag and compartmentalise groups of humans. The smart ones will congregate in certain terrains or parts of the planet. If they are intelligent enough and mostly keep to them selves they will most likely be left alone.

Their fear right now is the release of efficient energy making devices. There are millions of them on you tube and the smart inventor is grasping all sorts of adavnced tech freely avail now more than ever. The big race right now is finding out what sort of basic items can be used to make these devices and then cut them off from supply.

Beyond the money supply which is second in line of the Power 4 the first in line is Energy. Once we are free to make our own energy efficiently then they effectively lose 1.5 legs of power. 1 is energy .5 is monitarily as the monitary leg is semi dependant on the energy leg.

The other 2 are Military and Food.

The food one is well on the way.

the Military one im leaving well alone ; 0 )

love and hugsies !

Naniu

I actually get what you are talking about. This all makes sense especially now with the 3D printers that will come on the scene and allow armchair inventors access to cheap production capabilities.
This is exactly what I have forseen.
Add to the energy creation a form of antigravity creation and the present day control mechanisms for society would erode for sure.

[ulli]

Ulli, I appreciate your perspective and tend to agree with much of what you've written. There's often value in a free-ranging discussion. It can reveal quite a lot.

But, a little focus can sometimes be valuable as well.

So, for my part of this discussion, I'd find the clarification of a few points pretty useful.

Specifically, I'm curious which 'agencies' (interpreted broadly) are involved in PA's infiltration, and what if anything, Nanoo is suggesting we can do about it.

I don't see that in his previous posts.



Curtis, if you look for Nanoo's posts in the thread you will find the answer to our question. You don't have to read every post.

I don't see a thread out of control.
I see two forces in action, the dynamic of which made it grow very quickly...

People's need to express themselves, as individuals,
while at the same time flocking together, perhaps looking for "the action",
due to a need to have contact with others.

To me that is quite a natural occurrence, the essential dynamics of life itself at work.

The point of reference being the nature of the unknown, the mystery, "infiltrators" in the dark recesses.
Perfect formula for a healthy discussion. I for one have no issues with this.
Great thread , Nanu. Clever boy!

Focus is good, nearly always. No problem.

[deridan]

My message to them is:
Enjoy your stay on planet Earth, will probably be the last.
Through no fault of someone or something, but by their own thoughts, feelings and actions that you mark in their own spirits.
There is no lie and deceive the disembodied. You are the image of what thinks and feels. Point.
Até la vista baby.

a coverse to the first line of statement.
Enjoy your stay on planet Earth, have it all, sow and eat your fruits, reincarnate into the hell you've made

the living defense is heterogeneity

[Christine]

Hey Star Tsar,

I was wondering if you could provide a link to the Facebook page where these negative comments were made.

We are weaving our way out of a very tangled web meant to bring down the whole alternative/ abductee/ aware and awake (take back our power) community. This clearly speaks of the difference we are making. I do hope that every person involved in this takes the needed time to deeply contemplate their own actions and words.

Thanks, it is appreciated. (Excuse me if this information is already posted elsewhere.)

Christine


After a quick scan through this thread which is very interesting this came to mind and I believe has some weight here....Clears throat.......

Last Sunday the girl in this video and another where saying some very negative things about Project Avalon & David Icke on the Bases Facebook group...
7-DoPBdS-XQ



*******Post Edit and note to Self.

The reason I am asking this question is simply because there is a dedicated team working on straightening out all the information related to AMMACH. It isn't about pointing fingers or even fault finding. The only intent is to bring some sanity and understanding for every person involved.

As more and more "experiencers" awaken the more counter force will be used. Our vast inner scape of knowledge and great discernment are once again strongly called on.

[GoodETxSG]

Exactly, it just sets up a situation for people to turn on each other. This is as far as I have made it in this Thread so I have no idea if it has happened... but just saying. I shall now scroll down and read the rest.
Hey Nanno,

I dont know if you realize how much harm threads like this can do . Why not just message a mod or Bill himself and handle the issue quietly?

Threads like this can go so wrong, so fast, it's crazy...

[Star Tsar]

Hey Star Tsar,

I was wondering if you could provide a link to the Facebook page where these negative comments were made.

We are weaving our way out of a very tangled web meant to bring down the whole alternative/ abductee/ aware and awake (take back our power) community. This clearly speaks of the difference we are making. I do hope that every person involved in this takes the needed time to deeply contemplate their own actions and words.

Thanks, it is appreciated. (Excuse me if this information is already posted elsewhere.)

Christine


After a quick scan through this thread which is very interesting this came to mind and I believe has some weight here....Clears throat.......

Last Sunday the girl in this video and another where saying some very negative things about Project Avalon & David Icke on the Bases Facebook group...
7-DoPBdS-XQ



*******Post Edit and note to Self.

The reason I am asking this question is simply because there is a dedicated team working on straightening out all the information related to AMMACH. It isn't about pointing fingers or even fault finding. The only intent is to bring some sanity and understanding for every person involved.

As more and more "experiencers" awaken the more counter force will be used. Our vast inner scape of knowledge and great discernment are once again strongly called on.

PM ing you now Christine....

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Exactly, it just sets up a situation for people to turn on each other. This is as far as I have made it in this Thread so I have no idea if it has happened... but just saying. I shall now scroll down and read the rest.
Hey Nanno,

I dont know if you realize how much harm threads like this can do . Why not just message a mod or Bill himself and handle the issue quietly?

Threads like this can go so wrong, so fast, it's crazy...

We need situations so we can freely discuss and do what it is in our nature. This shows us ( hopefully ) the need to co operate.

If we in the alternative media circles cannot get along with such awareness on our side then there is no hope of ever achieving much.

So practice makes perfect and hopefully the intuitive side of our minds may evolve. For every reaction is preceeded with a catalyst.

WHat i have noticed in the course of this thread is the desire for mystery. Discussion of possibilities and the tangents of egoic conjecture. This is merely an observation. I think only one person asked " what to do about it " , mind you there are many suggestions too... as usual we dig way too deep into the problem and not enough time on the solutions. I find it even more curious that Solutions seem to take 3rd or 4th place in terms of interest.

who is doing it has zero importance. why they are doing it is obvious. what we can do about it is individual and non dictative but if you read between the lines of my posts you will glean what is prudent.

And thank you Ulli , you get a huge antler hug for being so perceptive. but they are only tiny so i may just hug your pinky if thats ok.

and free hugs for all who want one too. just pinky hugs at this stage till i get bigger : 0 )



Naniu

[Sierra]

The danger is in mistaking the merely misguided for the moles.

I have problems with posters that say "chemtrails don't exist"..........I don't see how anybody can be THAT misguided...

Or all crop circles are made by earth born human beings....

22131

Thems is moles ...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hey Star Tsar,

I was wondering if you could provide a link to the Facebook page where these negative comments were made.

We are weaving our way out of a very tangled web meant to bring down the whole alternative/ abductee/ aware and awake (take back our power) community. This clearly speaks of the difference we are making. I do hope that every person involved in this takes the needed time to deeply contemplate their own actions and words.

Thanks, it is appreciated. (Excuse me if this information is already posted elsewhere.)

Christine


After a quick scan through this thread which is very interesting this came to mind and I believe has some weight here....Clears throat.......

Last Sunday the girl in this video and another where saying some very negative things about Project Avalon & David Icke on the Bases Facebook group...
7-DoPBdS-XQ



*******Post Edit and note to Self.

The reason I am asking this question is simply because there is a dedicated team working on straightening out all the information related to AMMACH. It isn't about pointing fingers or even fault finding. The only intent is to bring some sanity and understanding for every person involved.

As more and more "experiencers" awaken the more counter force will be used. Our vast inner scape of knowledge and great discernment are once again strongly called on.

PM ing you now Christine....

who is the girl in the video ? she is amazing !

N

[Ria]

Hey Star Tsar,

I was wondering if you could provide a link to the Facebook page where these negative comments were made.

We are weaving our way out of a very tangled web meant to bring down the whole alternative/ abductee/ aware and awake (take back our power) community. This clearly speaks of the difference we are making. I do hope that every person involved in this takes the needed time to deeply contemplate their own actions and words.

Thanks, it is appreciated. (Excuse me if this information is already posted elsewhere.)

Christine


After a quick scan through this thread which is very interesting this came to mind and I believe has some weight here....Clears throat.......

Last Sunday the girl in this video and another where saying some very negative things about Project Avalon & David Icke on the Bases Facebook group...
7-DoPBdS-XQ



*******Post Edit and note to Self.

The reason I am asking this question is simply because there is a dedicated team working on straightening out all the information related to AMMACH. It isn't about pointing fingers or even fault finding. The only intent is to bring some sanity and understanding for every person involved.

As more and more "experiencers" awaken the more counter force will be used. Our vast inner scape of knowledge and great discernment are once again strongly called on.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61671-Bases-29-Nina-MK-Ultra-and-SSS&p=707003&viewfull=1#post707003
This is the link to more of Bases29
The apparent neg response may be just that after seeing the attack on Miles and others that took place on the forums even though it was not Bill or David that did the attacking, it just happened to be their forums.
Christine, I am heartened by the teams efforts and hopefully we can see the intent is only to support and clarify as many are effected. I would do my utmost to stop anyone from walking in front of an oncoming car and that is what most of us wont, I hope.

[rgray222]

Here we go again, down a well traveled road to nowhere, that has no final destination accept accusation.

Nonoo makes a claim that Project Avalon has been infiltrated without one specific example of how this is known, without one specific example of who is an infiltrator, without one specific example of which group is responsible. Without one specific example of what should be done about this "infiltration" other than be aware and modify your behavior.

On top of that, the following astonishing statement is made!


who is doing it has zero importance. why they are doing it is obvious. what we can do about it is individual and non dictative but if you read between the lines of my posts you will glean what is prudent.

Really, you start a thread that lays out a very specific-spectacular accusation but you go on to tell us that who the perpetrators are is of zero importance. Without one specific detail.

Then after making a very explicit allegation nanoo goes on to say to everyone, the membership and the 36 incognito moles from 4 different nameless groups, go back divine the truth from my previous posts. Do it by "reading between the lines".

A topic like this is akin to saying "all white people are racist" or all Palestinians are terrorist or all PA members should limit and "code" what they post because spies are running rampant on this forum.

Threads like this no matter how well intentioned do irreparable damage to the forum. If you can't offer up specific examples of who the infiltrators are and what groups they from than I would recommend you think twice about starting your thread.

Threads like this hurt the credibility of the moderators. Moderators please don't take this the wrong way but the implication is that PA is riddled with infiltrators or spies and your not doing anything about it.

Threads like this imply that the application process is a joke or terribly flawed at best

Threads like this stop active members from returning and making post that contribute to the overall health of the forum. Not all active members say goodbye by starting a thread, some simply say "I have had enough" and quietly never return. Threads like this are a catalyst for that behavior.

Threads like this stop people from actively joining Project Avalon because they think we are infestsed with spies, operatives and infiltrators from nameless groups.

If the overall health of this forum is important than I would recommend that Bill get the team together and get a handle on these type of threads. A topic like this could even be helpful as long as you show how it hurt other organizations or forums but to just throw out numbers like 36 operatives from 4 different groups is just fear mongering. Even if this statement were true you would have to ask if this is the proper way to go about disseminating this information.

I am all for openness and transparency, I am completely against any form of censorship but I am also against accusations being made that damage the good name and reputation of this forum and its active membership. If you can't provide specifics and can only provide a generic accusation then do not start the thread.

[Fred Steeves]

Threads like this stop active members from returning and making post that contribute to the overall health of the forum. Not all active members say goodbye by starting a thread, some simply say "I have had enough" and quietly never return. Threads like this are a catalyst for that behavior.

Hi rgray. I see threads/posts here all the time that I find either absurd, or useless. If the same person does enough of them, then eventually I simply stop paying attention to what they have to say. Tell you what though, anyone who is egotistical enough to leave this place for either one of those reasons, I don't particularly care to conversate with anyway.



Threads like this stop people from actively joining Project Avalon because they think we are infestsed with spies, operatives and infiltrators from nameless groups.


Seriously now, anyone who doesn't already know that they are spied on, and the subject of psychological manipulation pretty much everywhere they go, is likely not quite ready for this forum anyway.

I'm not real big on channeled messages like the OP, and personally give it close to zero credibility, but so what? In full knowledge anyway that there be agents lurking about, no different than knowing there are speed traps on the highway, life goes on and there are other threads.

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

[Sierra]

Really, you start a thread that lays out a very specific-spectacular accusation but you go on to tell us that who the perpetrators are is of zero importance. Without one specific detail.

Threads like this no matter how well intentioned do irreparable damage to the forum. If you can't offer up specific examples of who the infiltrators are and what groups they from than I would recommend you think twice about starting your thread.

Threads like this hurt the credibility of the moderators. Moderators please don't take this the wrong way but the implication is that PA is riddled with infiltrators or spies and your not doing anything about it.

Mod hat on:

Without names, what do expect us to do, start a witch hunt?

With names, what do you expect us to do, start a witch hunt?

The proof of trolls/shills/spies is in the posts, patterns, consequent research, not hearsay. Besides, a real spy would never post. As well, a spy doesn't need to logon as a member, they have access to all, including PMs I am sure (mods don't).

As above, so below, the forum is a work in progress, managed by volunteers, not ex-spies laden with technology and remote viewing experience. Life is a messy old coot, and ya just have to roll with the punches... With intelligence, patience, and discernment.

What Daniel said about timelines is applicable on many levels including chasing spies I guess:


If you remain ignorant, you'll just follow the crowd around the obstacles placed by those that formed the timeline, going where they wanted you to go. Let's face it, people are lazy and will usually take the easiest path. And that is how they keep control—providing easy “paths,” not only in timelines, but in politics, legality, economics, food, fuel... just about anything you can name. Odds are you never even knew that there was a choice. Those who wake up, have a choice.

Implementing the choice is another matter.

http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Time-and-Timelines-1.pdf

Meaning, asking for names is not the way to go IMHO.

Mod hat off. :)

Sierra

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Threads like this stop active members from returning and making post that contribute to the overall health of the forum. Not all active members say goodbye by starting a thread, some simply say "I have had enough" and quietly never return. Threads like this are a catalyst for that behavior.

Hi rgray. I see threads/posts here all the time that I find either absurd, or useless. If the same person does enough of them, then eventually I simply stop paying attention to what they have to say. Tell you what though, anyone who is egotistical enough to leave this place for either one of those reasons, I don't particularly care to conversate with anyway.



Threads like this stop people from actively joining Project Avalon because they think we are infestsed with spies, operatives and infiltrators from nameless groups.


Seriously now, anyone who doesn't already know that they are spied on, and the subject of psychological manipulation pretty much everywhere they go, is likely not quite ready for this forum anyway.

I'm not real big on channeled messages like the OP, and personally give it close to zero credibility, but so what? In full knowledge anyway that there be agents lurking about, no different than knowing there are speed traps on the highway, life goes on and there are other threads.

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

Hey Fred , just a small correction if i may, the information was not channelled , for the purposes of clarification i do not partake in or edify or even believe in channelled information in any form.

Thank you

oh R Gray 222 you have your bold button stuck on i think.

Naniu


PS i must say however Bashar is a tops brain head in my opinion, channelled or not he makes a lot of sense.

as you were

[WhiteFeather]

I had started a thread awhile back of perhaps some relevance to this topic. The Oxnard Trolls.

After reading P.A. member, GlaSSsteagalfan's Thread, here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42653-A-warning-to-Alternative-Media&p=451536#post451536
it gave me an idea, I'm not sure if Avalon's Admins and Mod's would pursue this, but i thought maybe perhaps they might give it a looksy or thought. It seems that Trolls from 3 Letter Government agency's such as (NSA, FBI, DHS, TSA, etc) may very well be poisoning forums, blogs etc. spreading Disinfo and causing chaos, animosity etc. among its members here and throughout the internt. Is this possible? Damn straight it is possible.

A Quote By Glassteagalfan "Seems ALL of these cretins had the same block of IP addresses, emanating out of Oxnard, California. I don't believe in coincidences, so I had a another friend of mine in L.A. do some digging. Here's what he discovered. The block of IP addresses is conveniently in the locale of buildings where the NSA has it's offices in Oxnard California."

My question to the forum and if at all possible/doable by the Mods/Admins (even though they have a lot on their plates already). Is there anyway we can check to see if these Oxnard Trolls are present on this forum as well. I'm sure it would take some doing, but just may be well worth it for all of its members in the long run. Maybe we can pull some of the weeds that are starting to grow here in our garden choking our valued plants. I think its time for a Weed and Feed Peeps. Or just a damn good enema. What do you think? LMK

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42679-The-Oxnard-Trolls-Are-They-Here-Among-Us

[Nanoo Nanoo]

WHitefeather, i would gladly call you Grandfather : 0 )

Big Hug Brother


Naniu

[ThePythonicCow]

My question to the forum and if at all possible/doable by the Mods/Admins (even though they have a lot on their plates already). Is there anyway we can check to see if these Oxnard Trolls are present on this forum as well.
We forum admins and mods can view the IP addresses of posts, and we admins can also view the web server logs with IP addresses of every request sent to the web server.

The more organized bastards that spy and troll on us, as well as some more security conscious members, appear to be quite competent in using web proxy servers to mask their original IP and location.

I either have not found significant IP patterns that would be useful in tracking such bastards ... or I haven't spoke of what patterns I found :).

[Curt]

... or I haven't spoke of what patterns I found :).

That, my friend, is truly classic. :cool:

[Sierra]

Seems Paul already addressed the Oxnard issue on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42679-The-Oxnard-Trolls-Are-They-Here-Among-Us&p=452013&viewfull=1#post452013

(Oh hi Paul! Didn't see you above! Never mind!)

[Aurelius]

Hello my dear friends

Id like to bring to your attention that there is a total of 36 ( possibly more ) operatives here on Avalon from 4 sepperate groups of compartmentalised factions.

<snip>


even though this may be true .. let's ensure this doesn't turn into the infamous divide and conquer game (charles).

[Mike]

Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...

[Tesseract]

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time!

You mean that hood you're wearing is just part of the role play? Shattered.

[Kimberley]

I have only read the first page and this (now ) Last page. I will be interested to go back and see what I missed. However...

WoW!!! Deep stuff in this thread...good one! I mean it! The energy on this thread is lovely I think this thread shows how we are learning to agree to disagree. Congratulations!!! From my heart this feels comfortable indeed.

I would love to have the time to add to this thread in more depth however, I do have a few short 2cents...

We are all right!!! Whether you believe it or not...I am doing/being to the best of my ability and have a high sense that the majority of us are on that path...don't ya think???

There is no right or wrong. Do you judge what is right or wrong from your heart of knowing or is your view of right and wrong something that your family and school and community and society, etc taught you? Who's rules are you playing by? Your rules or other peoples rules.

It might be great for me to eat a bag of peanuts but one crumb of a single peanut could kill someone with a peanut allergy. For me everything else works that way too.

And to the op topic... I read a page of this thread yesterday and there were only a few posts. I did not feel compelled to reply because this topic is of no interest to me as I have nothing to fear and nothing to hide about anything that goes on here at this forum or with my multiple other in full public view on the internet activities that I engage in (not any more would be more accurate)...I mean come on this forum is open to all eyes that want to see...

I feel face book is more "private" to the masses than here...however if you have any mobile device or computer and you use them than you will be found. And your information can be looked at.

A thief or an NSA officer that wants to get the goods on you will one way or another.

I have shared a bit about this in the past and will be brief now...due to my years as a local radio person I never had my phone number published in the phone book...(does every one know what a phone book is...heheheh I do not use one any more...)

But having dealt with taking radio listener calls as part of my job I talked to strangers on the phone all the time... and still do.

I watched The movie "Play Misty For Me" (a 1971 American psychological thriller film, directed by and starring Clint Eastwood, about a KRML radio jockey who broadcasts nightly from a studio). I did not start in radio until fall of 1976..so I had seen this movie a few times and it was imbedded in my aware consciousness and certainly my sub consciousness.

Anyway up until 5 years ago you could not find a photo of me anywhere on the net because I had never posted one and had avoided doing that. ...now yikes...anyway because I had never and avoided doing that I also took a lot of precautionary steps to keep my identity private...

I had to transcend fear, of being found or of identity theft or what ever guber "bad thing" that could happen on the internet if you were not "safe", or I would be a nervous fearful wreck...and out of a job too...

The point I am trying to get to is that I am here to help others grow and learn and to be supported in my continued learning and need of support.

If i take the time and put in the effort to post I very much want the whole world to read it...it is not an ego thing it is because I want to add my voice and perspective to the new earth that we are co-creating together consciously or unconsciously, whether you believe it out not).

...let it be known that I do not post unless drawn to post...

I feel very loved and at peace posting here and of course there are trolls and surveillance's', and what nots in and reading this forum...so what...we have great mods and they won't last long...

So I do not agree that this is a "dangerous" or what ever word was said, thread, to me it feels very civil.And I congratulate us all!!!

Another1 nice to bump into you again. I mirror what you wrote %100

:grouphug:







It's been my suggestion that we help educate them.
Consider a win-win-win play,
we get to share with others,
our sharing feeds an energy field that serves all of us,
'they' may get an education and 'will' be subject to this energy field also.

I can point you to a forum right now that is pure hate, fear, angry boastful threats, people leaving itemized lists of all the weapons they got, etc., etc., I tried telling the people there that they are simply confirming everything the minions have been told to believe. My opinion confused them so I unsubscribed.

Now the ones who get to monitor this place find something different than that other place. Considering how good the game players are, this could even be a honey trap 'they' set up to gather people like me who don't have the time nor stomach to sit on a hate-filled forum. *LOL*
If true though, my 3rd point from above still applies: 'they' may get an education and 'will' be subject to this energy field also.

... we are creators too ...

[Prodigal Son]

Why do I get the feeling that some of us might even be highly insulted if they weren't spying on Avalon?

Yes that would include moi :)

Seriously though... everything that we type, even in personal emails and supposedly secure online banking, every keystroke gets recorded on that great big Akashic Record in Cyberspace. We've known this all along. If we put our thoughts here they are not private anymore. But lo and behold, there is a positive side to that....

Now think about it ... just the fact that our beloved gubmint gone wild deems it important enough to have moles come into havens like this to disrupt the positive energy shows you the power of our thoughts. For large numbers of truth seekers to arrive at a consensus concerning our awareness of their black magic at work will make its effects null and void. It's like Wilcock said a couple of years ago, that once the lie is exposed it becomes a joke.

It was openly admitted (Operation Mockingbird) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird) that the CIA spends vast resources to influence the media and public opinion. There's no need to wonder whether they're doing it now. They don't need to waste time trolling forums dedicated to the latest Hollywood gossip trash.... they go where the fires are blazing... knowing that when the shtf the ones hypnotized by the bread and circuses will suffer the most... in fact may have a difficult time surviving the changes ahead.

[Another1]

The OP caught my eye due to the numbers being so specific.
My mind missed the 'witch hunt' concept but I guess it makes sense to people who have been here awhile.

The geek in me would love to study the logs from this place and is certain he would find patterns of some sort.
Posters with multiple accounts is what I would expect to find first.
This is an assumption based upon past experience with websites in this genre.

[Kimberley]

Chinaski mostly what your wrote is I agree with, however I beg to differ with you that this forum is not being watched.

This forum is one of 1000's of forums with awake members. There are mediation forums with 100's of different focuses, there are healing forums, there are astrology forums, there are forums doing shift work out the ying yang...

David Ikce has a forum doesn't he?...David Wilcock, George Kavasilas, Depak Chopra, James Twyman, etc, etc.. I could list forums all day...there are thousands of them with each a few thousand members. And that equals millions of us.

We are all being watched because we are all connected. And there are millions of us with the same goals in common. Doing and being a part of helping to move this planet and this world culture out of slavery and greed and into heaven on earth...

I happened to be attracted to this forum and I am glad i was. I had not been on a forum in years before joining here...at first I thought I was crazy giving my time to this...wow has the time been worth it to me...

We are all one and connected however we are finding our tribes and there are thousands of different tribes to choice from now all over the world speaking different languages about the same topics.

What I like best about Avalon is the diversity. In years past I have been a member of forums where there was no conflict at ALL!!!...we were all like minded and yes trolls showed up and they we out as soon as they came... those forums got boring..when everyone thinks the same it gets boring...

Never a dull day at Avalon..that's what I love..

So thank to to the Avalon tribe...nice to be in connection with all I bump into...and to all that read this ... Much love, peace, and, most importantly, fun to us all!!!

[ghostrider]

Chinaski mostly what your wrote is I agree with, however I beg to differ with you that this forum is not being watched.

This forum is one of 1000's of forums with awake members. There are mediation forums with 100's of different focuses, there are healing forums, there are astrology forums, there are forums doing shift work out the ying yang...

David Ikce has a forum doesn't he?...David Wilcock, George Kavasilas, Depak Chopra, James Twyman, etc, etc.. I could list forums all day...there are thousands of them with each a few thousand members. And that equals millions of us.

We are all being watched because we are all connected. And there are millions of us with the same goals in common. Doing and being a part of helping to move this planet and this world culture out of slavery and greed and into heaven on earth...

I happened to be attracted to this forum and I am glad i was. I had not been on a forum in years before joining here...at first I thought I was crazy giving my time to this...wow has the time been worth it to me...

We are all one and connected however we are finding our tribes and there are thousands of different tribes to choice from now all over the world speaking different languages about the same topics.

What I like best about Avalon is the diversity. In years past I have been a member of forums where there was no conflict at ALL!!!...we were all like minded and yes trolls showed up and they we out as soon as they came... those forums got boring..when everyone thinks the same it gets boring...

Never a dull day at Avalon..that's what I love..

So thank to to the Avalon tribe...nice to be in connection with all I bump into...and to all that read this ... Much love, peace, and, most importantly, fun to us all!!!
I 'll give you some yoda = said it better , I could not ... wise are you...

[daddy fishwick]

Hi all, I'm sure you're correct that certain groups are using moles on sites like this...It may not be a bad thing, there stands a possibility that Avalon influence may change a few peoples minds and directions for the greater good or at least provoke thought? Daddy out......

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello my dear friends

Id like to bring to your attention that there is a total of 36 ( possibly more ) operatives here on Avalon from 4 sepperate groups of compartmentalised factions.

<snip>



even though this may be true .. let's ensure this doesn't turn into the infamous divide and conquer game (charles).


very brave of you Marcus ; 0 ) great to see you again


Naniu

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...


Great post Chinaski, thanks.

But.....but..but...I thought we were special, I.....I..I thought we were really really hurting them, sob, weep etc etc.

Ah, well, tech bubbles burst, mortgage bubbles burst, chewing gum bubbles burst, why not this one too eh.

Very wishful thinking ends up to be not so blissful drinking once more, anyone wants some more green eggs and ham, I'll do the cooking today.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I had a meditation this afternoon and had more than my fair share of enquiring minds and eyes watching me ; 0 )


one gentleman in particular 27 years of age dark curly hair and un usual voice pattern was right up the front of the que. if that fits your description please pm me.

otherwise id like to say a big MOOOOOO ! to Paul !!

Frikken Moouuuuh !

Woo hoo !

Naniu

[Christine]

Ah! Chinaski,

You hit the proverbial nail on the head, one of our little paradoxes that needs to be comprehended.

First I do know we are being watched, monitored and all the data is being fed into some super quantum computer data base in an attempt to find better ways to slave us. I have had enough experiences now to not fall into disbelief. Energy can be traced to its source and the ability to do so can be enhanced. That doesn't mean any one person gets all the information or gets it right every time, I have been learning to trust my own perceptual reality as I am deleting the chaff (interfering frequencies) from the grain.

The paradox is this: We ARE IMPORTANT, all attempts to lessen this understanding are attempts to undermine (I should say mine our power). We have a storehouse of energy that could and IS changing reality around us.

The other side of the coin which me must always remember is that WE ARE NOT IMPORTANT, this is where human arrogance is fed and our ego self gets taken over by those or that which would have us fall into self importance.

As long as we remember we are Self (TRUE Self) AND Collective (Connected to others), as long as we are in an expanding perceptual dynamic where we are aware of our thoughts and action and their effects on our reality we are doing the WORK. The world becomes less black and white, less linear, our perceptual reality expands to include the holographic nature of the matrix in which we are a participant.

One fully awake human BEing is a million people. That is my math!

Thanks for sharing, I love honestly written pieces, this is our food for thought, the way to push through the limiting paradigm....

Love ya,
Christine


Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...

[GoodETxSG]

As I mentioned in Bill's thread many of these operatives sit in front of a powerful server class machine with 6-10 monitors with access to many "Virtual Machines" (A virtual computer) each with the ability to show them in what ever time zone (Or current/past time), spoof any IP or MAC Address Scheme they would like (Make it look like they logged in from your computer at work, no matter how secure your network is)... and do what they will.

THERE IS NO/ZERO SECURITY ONLINE. You have to assume that the minute its posted it is compromised, let alone just any data on your local computer or anything you have stored on the "Cloud". Computer Security is a Myth, one I am well paid for I might add.

NOTE: Network/Computer Security is the same as basic Physical Security of a Property. You reinforce windows and doors and their locks, put up good security lighting with motion detectors, if you have the $ add some NON wireless security camera's with no blind spots... or if low on funds add a few dummy camera's in here and there... get a few ankle biter nipping dogs (Make more noise and harder to shoot or catch and toss in a closet)... Or if you live in a rural area a Gaggle of Geese are even better. That will keep the average, moderate to even professional thieves out of your building (Depending on how motivated they are). But, a highly capable government or corporate operative with a team and resources will find a way in every single time.

They will ALWAYS find a way in and have a blast doing so, and that is just STEALING! The Moles/Trolls, whole other topic with the same computer setup causing problems. Many times they (A team) get orders that "This disclosure team is getting too many results and are seeing through the Dis-Info people we are sending their way. Time to "Divide and Conquer", cause mischief and try to drive their followers apart or just go into this or that FORUM and take over an account and stir things up in this or that THREAD... ETC... Sound familiar?

MANY Threads on THIS SITE are very dangerous to some groups, so it is a given this site is monitored... this site even showed up on an online article of most monitored sites... So a magical intuition is not needed (Not discounted).

Just like ANY Computer, Home Network, Business Network, or Blog Community with Highly Sensitive Material being discussed (I KNOW the PA Admin's work their A$$'s OFF to keep this a secure and SAFE PLACE for us!)... But "THEIR HERE!"

Just a Dose of reality from a former Physical Security, Army Intel (Mostly Technical), and Present Technical/Network Admin type security nerd dude...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

MANY Threads on THIS SITE are very dangerous to some groups

For some reason my computer gets the hiccups from the Bill Cooper thread, at this time the only thread that it happens on for me.

[RunningDeer]

As I mentioned in Bill's thread many of these operatives sit in front of a powerful server class machine with 6-10 monitors with access to many "Virtual Machines" (A virtual computer) each with the ability to show them in what ever time zone (Or current/past time), spoof any IP or MAC Address Scheme they would like (Make it look like they logged in from your computer at work, no matter how secure your network is)... and do what they will.

Well, GoodeTXSG, I’m still smiling. Twenty minutes ago, I applied double layered masking tape over my new computer camera lens. Gonna leave it. Trick myself into thinking that'll do.

Note to self: wave and smile to operative sh!tbirds at least once a day. :wave:


That'll do...
rjQtzV9IZ0Q

[Prodigal Son]

Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...
It only takes one person in a blackened room with 100 people in it to light a candle and then everyone can see enough to find their own candles and light them, while no amount of darkness can drown out the light. Look up at the sky at night.... how much of it is black, and yet those tiny points of light can provide enough light to see, even with a new moon. Those little points of light are actually holes in the fabric of dark matter where the light of God shines through.

The world has always been changed by relatively very small groups, and we know how powerful human consciousness is, especially group consciousness. If it were that insignificant, why do the PTW expend so many vast resources of energy on mind control, dumbing down, chem spraying, controlling the media, education, and everything else?

And as for those "maybe" couple of thousand people that have "woken up", I think you've fallen for some of that propaganda yourself. You may have missed this post the other day....


New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/12/313399/conspiracy-theorists-vs-govt-dupes/

Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.



The most recent study was published on July 8th by psychologists Michael J. Wood and Karen M. Douglas of the University of Kent (UK). Entitled “What about Building 7? A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories,” the study compared “conspiracist” (pro-conspiracy theory) and “conventionalist” (anti-conspiracy) comments at news websites.

The authors were surprised to discover that it is now more conventional to leave so-called conspiracist comments than conventionalist ones: “Of the 2174 comments collected, 1459 were coded as conspiracist and 715 as conventionalist.” In other words, among people who comment on news articles, those who disbelieve government accounts of such events as 9/11 and the JFK assassination outnumber believers by more than two to one. That means it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority.

Perhaps because their supposedly mainstream views no longer represent the majority, the anti-conspiracy commenters often displayed anger and hostility: “The research… showed that people who favoured the official account of 9/11 were generally more hostile when trying to persuade their rivals.”

Additionally, it turned out that the anti-conspiracy people were not only hostile, but fanatically attached to their own conspiracy theories as well. According to them, their own theory of 9/11 - a conspiracy theory holding that 19 Arabs, none of whom could fly planes with any proficiency, pulled off the crime of the century under the direction of a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan - was indisputably true. The so-called conspiracists, on the other hand, did not pretend to have a theory that completely explained the events of 9/11: “For people who think 9/11 was a government conspiracy, the focus is not on promoting a specific rival theory, but in trying to debunk the official account.”

In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it.

Additionally, the study found that so-called conspiracists discuss historical context (such as viewing the JFK assassination as a precedent for 9/11) more than anti-conspiracists. It also found that the so-called conspiracists to not like to be called “conspiracists” or “conspiracy theorists.”

Both of these findings are amplified in the new book Conspiracy Theory in America by political scientist Lance deHaven-Smith, published earlier this year by the University of Texas Press. Professor deHaven-Smith explains why people don’t like being called “conspiracy theorists”: The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination! “The CIA’s campaign to popularize the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and make conspiracy belief a target of ridicule and hostility must be credited, unfortunately, with being one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”

In other words, people who use the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” as an insult are doing so as the result of a well-documented, undisputed, historically-real conspiracy by the CIA to cover up the JFK assassination. That campaign, by the way, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA is barred from all domestic activities, yet routinely breaks the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations.

DeHaven-Smith also explains why those who doubt official explanations of high crimes are eager to discuss historical context. He points out that a very large number of conspiracy claims have turned out to be true, and that there appear to be strong relationships between many as-yet-unsolved “state crimes against democracy.” An obvious example is the link between the JFK and RFK assassinations, which both paved the way for presidencies that continued the Vietnam War. According to DeHaven-Smith, we should always discuss the “Kennedy assassinations” in the plural, because the two killings appear to have been aspects of the same larger crime.

Psychologist Laurie Manwell of the University of Guelph agrees that the CIA-designed “conspiracy theory” label impedes cognitive function. She points out, in an article published in American Behavioral Scientist (2010), that anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly about such apparent state crimes against democracy as 9/11 due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing belief.

In the same issue of ABS, University of Buffalo professor Steven Hoffman adds that anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” - that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.

The extreme irrationality of those who attack “conspiracy theories” has been ably exposed by Communications professors Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State University. In a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion,” they wrote:

“If I call you a conspiracy theorist, it matters little whether you have actually claimed that a conspiracy exists or whether you have simply raised an issue that I would rather avoid… By labeling you, I strategically exclude you from the sphere where public speech, debate, and conflict occur.”


But now, thanks to the internet, people who doubt official stories are no longer excluded from public conversation; the CIA’s 44-year-old campaign to stifle debate using the “conspiracy theory” smear is nearly worn-out. In academic studies, as in comments on news articles, pro-conspiracy voices are now more numerous - and more rational - than anti-conspiracy ones.

No wonder the anti-conspiracy people are sounding more and more like a bunch of hostile, paranoid cranks.

The power of human consciousness is a terrible thing to waste. You see how important mind control is to them. Don't fall for the disinfo. They use silent weapons for quiet wars (http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/). We have silent weapons of our own, and they are much more powerful than theirs because they are based on love and benevolence. We don't need revolutions, we need enough people to wake up, and then watch the power of white magic unfold :)

[gripreaper]

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[Christine]

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[Mike]

Hey Christine,

I hope you're right!;). And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?;)

I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

Lots of love to you!:hug:

[Christine]

Chinaski!

Fuddy duddy you are not! Your points are well taken and they need to be said. It is true that many of us (self included) can get stuck to the keys and forget to do the REAL work. You are a LOVE and doing more than you are aware of. That's the beauty of it!

Always, always speak your truth! We need to be reminded not to take anything for granted or worst fall, even for a second, into complacency.

And yes there are some sensitive topics being discussed here and yes we are on the cutting edge filling in the information gap, so we are of interest to those who don't have their own consciousness.

Lots of love to you!:hug:



Hey Christine,

I hope you're right!;). And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?;)

I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

Lots of love to you!:hug:

[firstlook]

(with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups.
at the end of the day you are correct.
If firstlook had said we all have some responsibility (for not uniting and effectively dealing with Empire), that would be one thing, but he has conflated the paying of taxes to being an NSA agent! It is beyond hyperbole, it is incorrect, it is false logic. There is a clear difference between a paid agent and the victims of a shakedown.

And with that, I'll drop it. Anyone can accept as much onus as they want. Oh, and by the way, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt - you were asking to be raped. It's all your own fault. (that's what I think of these word games)

Dennis

Word games.....I guess that's a way to look at it, indeed we should keep things light. A lot of the analogies you are using are.....different.

im trying to address the illogical point of voicing concern over a group that you willingly give money and obedience. Again I understand force is the cause and with good reason. Yet all we are doing is talking and so I figure we can responsibly reflect our CHOICES in the matter. we have to be responsible for our actions, not by feeling guilty about them, guilt is useless, but addressing the truth of anyones choices is important.

I would like to talk about this issue more but I don't wish to upset anyone not ready for it. Please accept my apology for any ideas that I was trying to provoke an emotional and forced response.

Peace

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I enjoyed reading your post. Id like to offer an explanation further Christines to suppliment our importance.

Avalon as it stands is probably one of the more popular truther web portals. Popular enough for a divide and conquer in the past and survived. So that in its self means Avalon has been thought of as significant in the alternative media for at ;least 3 to 4 years now in terms of the ones who watch us;.

Further more the subtle ways they work is to gently sway opinions in a sort of mental processing or grazing format. Its a very powerful tool. And i state again its not important to know who and ill qualify my statement. If we knew who it was then what ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . will we write them a letter ? will we further define an enemy of which we already know exists ? its futile imo. All you need to know is that its happening and you can use it to your advantage.

Uncovering operatives is asking for serious trouble. they do not want people to know who they are and i would go so far as to say " do not name names " its a big fauxpas in their community and one they could use as a tipper for retaliation,. its a subtle art in being on the edge of safety and not garnishing a retaliation and one i hope we can master the art of. Its not being a coward , on the contrary ,its being smart and being able to continue in what we do furthering the depth of our operation. There are a lot of dead heroes , while still nessesary to have them , its a shame they have left us.

I must point out the Nina super soldier video series is absolutely essential viewing. One of the most scinsere and intelligent videos i have seen in a while .. the only thing that annoyd me is the interviewres style, while a nice guy its almost like he has been watching Kerrys old interviews .. ugh he was getting on my goat. Other than that what Nina states ( if you can get past her nervous fidgetting ) it gets a huge thumbs up on my antler scale. She is EXaCTLY uncannily a sensitive and thats how i was a few years ago. I managed to balance myself however. She is highly intelligent and obviously contending with being able to multiprocess over 15 trains of thought simultaneously.. and i can see shes getting there , mostly.

What she states IS imo some of the most important information we could learn , i would go so far as to say i would do a transcript of her better points and a discussion on them.

Thank you again Chinaski, i hope my further clarification has helped you past your disgruntleedness in nnot understanding the purpose of the thread.


Naniu


Hey Christine,

I hope you're right!;). And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?;)

I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

Lots of love to you!:hug:

[Nanoo Nanoo]

As I mentioned in Bill's thread many of these operatives sit in front of a powerful server class machine with 6-10 monitors with access to many "Virtual Machines" (A virtual computer) each with the ability to show them in what ever time zone (Or current/past time), spoof any IP or MAC Address Scheme they would like (Make it look like they logged in from your computer at work, no matter how secure your network is)... and do what they will.

Well, GoodeTXSG, I’m still smiling. Twenty minutes ago, I applied double layered masking tape over my new computer camera lens. Gonna leave it. Trick myself into thinking that'll do.

Note to self: wave and smile to operative sh!tbirds at least once a day. :wave:


That'll do...
rjQtzV9IZ0Q

frikken OUCH ! i mean seriously OUCH ! oooh i can feel it from here : 0 ) Paula you truly know your knives. Love it !


Naniu

[Carmody]

during my mental health breakdown I was aware of a ISA type tracking on me, or atleast that's what I assume. I think they were counter terrorism. Don't blame them really I was going through some anger but never considered hurting anyone but myself. Whats more interesting is I actually would like to go on a "ride along" if you will. Like how local cops have to let you tag along. I think I could keep up with these guys and girls and put in some work. I judge no "group" only their actions against either dangerous individuals or innocent thinkers. Might sound suspect to this forum to say that but I think you should be allowed to talk to other groups whether you agree with them or not.

Just some thoughts.

I do, and I have. usually it's a good conversation. Doesn't (openly) happen often, but it's been quiet and comfortable, so far.

[Nat_Lee]

Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...

I'm with you on this !
Thank you for this "realistic one"

[muzzshady]

Hi all, I'm new here, but I would imagine so, but one can't keep the truth down, and the world is waking up.

[gigha]

very true
cheers



Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...

I'm with you on this !
Thank you for this "realistic one"

[naste.de.lumina]

Reading from the eyes of the heart the words are seen by intent and interpreted by intuition.

[Debra]

Hey Christine,

I hope you're right!;). And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?;)

I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

Lots of love to you!:hug:

i love your voice at this time my friend.

Post note to AvalonForum: I believe Mike is fabulous moderator material.

Add note to Mike: I hope you don't mind my forward ness in suggesting this. I love ya guts, as you know. Your head Space combined with your sizzling honesty and heart space is so needed at this time.

You shine the light on where it is needed x

22139

[MadMax1]

The man is coming down hard on all truthers and the internet has erupted in a fight to keep the truth from getting out they have gone so far as to try and frame quite a few truthers of late with PDF files embedded with tainted images, it would seem the man is quivering in his boots now. You tube itself has become a crapfest( excuse my language) with people trying to discredit information and going so far as to put up false information so be carefull what you click on, the rule i follow is if i don't know the person i do not click on any files or links. And as i always say read or watch then form your own opinion of things and it usually does not take long to work out if someting is false or not and as for this site being monitered that is a no brainer they will stop at nothing to discredit and gather information then use it to suit their needs.

[Ultima Thule]

Prodigal Sons proverb about one person lighting a candle was nice. Chinaski seems to be rightly taking notice how many of us actually sit in the dark and know where the candle is, but until we really are obliged to light it, we don't.

I know here in Avalon there are many people who have DEFINITELY lit theirs, but I admit to sipping away my coffee quite comfortably and waiting - thinking that perhaps all will eventually fall into place without me having to light mine in an active manner?
I suppose this is the perfect outcome for any operative aiming to influence the alternative community and to do so subtly - anything overt would be an amateur at work..

UT
Ps. For what's its worth - Mike, Mod? Hell yeah!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...

actually in re reading your post you sound pessemistic. i dont think you understand how influence tactics work.

realistic ? youve missed the point entirely.

...

[RMorgan]

Well, here´s my take on it.

The way I see it, the whole internet structure is monitored. PA isn´t somewhere special that needs special attention.

These folks are interested in performing behaviorist studies, not on the information itself, and, honestly, I must say that at least 95% of information that flows around here is mostly composed of unfounded rumors and old recycled internet garbage.

These people, the elite, have achieved their current status simply because they know and understand human behavior. With the advances of the internet, now they can perform their studies instantaneously, gathering reactive information for each action they take.

In other words, the internet is perfect for performing group studies. There are dedicated internet groups and forums for every possible mindset and social group.

It happens that PA is a very good case study for conspiracy minded people, so they´ll obviously analyze whatever happens here, which doesn´t mean they are actually interested in the information which circles around here.

All they want to know is how this specific group of people (among many other groups) react to certain events, so they can plan effectively.

I´m sure they have people out there to test and analyze all sorts of groups, including "conspiracy nuts".

Raf.

[Rocky_Shorz]

alternative media, enquirer and many other way out rags/mags have always wanted a test group knowledgeable on almost every subject to drop headline stories on to watch reaction from a crowd.

they most likely aren't happy with us because their best headline news gets cut diced and shredded in minutes here at PA

now do I really care about groups with evil agendas, toying with us to find cracks they can exploit?

They unloaded everything they had at us, and we brushed it off like a frog fart...

their goal is to keep people so spun up here that we don't notice emergencies like the virus coming from chemtrails, causing appendicitis attacks swamping hospitals in London...

or the counter attack hitting Texas, imagine a Texan not able to eat a big ol char broiled steak...

a tick bite that makes people deadly allergic to meat... hitting Texas

I'm afraid the war between factions is intensifying, and very few are watching...

but it's the 99% of us that are being affected...

[Rocky_Shorz]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

[GoodETxSG]

Can someone PM me/Email me a link to some info on this? The PDF files E-Books that target people with embedded porn and images that can then be "Found" on their PC to be used against them?I need a good source reputation wise for a posting I am doing on my FB Group (In my signature...) Please and Thank you...


The man is coming down hard on all truthers and the internet has erupted in a fight to keep the truth from getting out they have gone so far as to try and frame quite a few truthers of late with PDF files embedded with tainted images, it would seem the man is quivering in his boots now. You tube itself has become a crapfest( excuse my language) with people trying to discredit information and going so far as to put up false information so be carefull what you click on, the rule i follow is if i don't know the person i do not click on any files or links. And as i always say read or watch then form your own opinion of things and it usually does not take long to work out if someting is false or not and as for this site being monitered that is a no brainer they will stop at nothing to discredit and gather information then use it to suit their needs.

[Bill Ryan]

Can someone PM me/Email me a link to some info on this? The PDF files E-Books that target people with embedded porn and images that can then be "Found" on their PC to be used against them?I need a good source reputation wise for a posting I am doing on my FB Group (In my signature...) Please and Thank you...

All here, I believe:
Attempted setup of Stewart Rhodes and Dan Johnson, with child porn

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61662-Attempted-setup-of-Stewart-Rhodes-and-Dan-Johnson-with-child-porn

[GoodETxSG]

Wow, scary... and thank you!

[Carmody]

I understand you needs and desires. :) But it has to be brought up in a serious discussion about disagreement of the people you give money too to further the agenda you disagree with. It is hard though considering the desire we all have for various thing in life. Stay strong and happy. :)

Well, the smartest thing to do for someone who agrees with (and lives by) your position, would be to remain silent about it. Wouldn't want to be leaving any bread crumbs for the IRS to follow, would we? :)

That I cant agree with. If you are going to live my position, keeping silent about it is cognitive dissidence and would drain one heart and mental energy. Living in fear is always gonna come with being human no matter what choices you make, but to keep it secret is something that eats away at a person and makes them bitter and fanatic.

I wish merely to be balanced and support others along the same path. Its tough but ultimately satisfying to ones heart. Makes missing out on money and job stability not so bad after all.

:)

P.S.

Great Sig.

That reminds me. i may put signatures back 'on'. I turned them off due to watching a bird eat another smaller bird, in the bad bird watcher's signature.

[Carmody]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

yes, if you try the white powder of gold, to live the 'normal' lifespan of 900 or so years, and you are not clear, if you are as rotten as 1 year in the desert sun chicken eggs, you will get a different result.

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

[Sidney]

Well, here´s my take on it.

The way I see it, the whole internet structure is monitored. PA isn´t somewhere special that needs special attention.

These folks are interested in performing behaviorist studies, not on the information itself, and, honestly, I must say that at least 95% of information that flows around here is mostly composed of unfounded rumors and old recycled internet garbage.

These people, the elite, have achieved their current status simply because they know and understand human behavior. With the advances of the internet, now they can perform their studies instantaneously, gathering reactive information for each action they take.

In other words, the internet is perfect for performing group studies. There are dedicated internet groups and forums for every possible mindset and social group.

It happens that PA is a very good case study for conspiracy minded people, so they´ll obviously analyze whatever happens here, which doesn´t mean they are actually interested in the information which circles around here.

All they want to know is how this specific group of people (among many other groups) react to certain events, so they can plan effectively.

I´m sure they have people out there to test and analyze all sorts of groups, including "conspiracy nuts".

Raf.

95% recycled garbage????? Really....... Geez, what does that make the members here? I guess we are just a bunch bottom feeders after all.
Seriously RAF, may I ask how exactly you came up with that statistic??

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Id say it has more to do witrh R Morgans opinion of the information here.

I have to say in retrospect im a little miffed at the implications of Chinaski's comment. SO what if theres only 500 of us ? Dont we matter ? Dont we make a difference to someone ?

I know of many peiople here that reach out on adaily basis and get support. Even if that helps 1 person then i think everything we do here is worth it.

Avalon is a place to go to be a part of a community and for some their only family. What we do here matters wether you think so or not.

Thats me keeping it real , as in a Reality Check.

Is spirituality something we are trying to blend with sience ? to create a better format of knowledge ? how are we going to do that if we dont try ? If we dont infiorm each other in threads like this ? There are agentcies mining personal data from us on here. And we need to be aware of it. SO our personal security imo is pretty bloody significant. even if the group in your opinion is tiny ..

Are you offended that i use my intuition ? i clearly stated it from the start. SO whats your beef with people who have developed their intuition ? You do relaise that the ones who develop their intuitive sences are going to achiecve better quality of life ? We cant be all stuck in regurgitated opinions can we ? surely there must be a fresh and original thought even if its only 92% accurate ? or even 34% so what its something.

Id like to hear your opinions on this Chinaski if thats ok ?

Cheers

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

yes, if you try the white powder of gold, to live the 'normal' lifespan of 900 or so years, and you are not clear, if you are as rotten as 1 year in the desert sun chicken eggs, you will get a different result.

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

avoiding judgement and reincarnative process by staying here for a bit longer ... hmmm can you immagine the absolute terror they must have deep within them selves ?

no matter how much one believes in alternative deities what deal in flesh for profit ... when on their death bed a chill of remourse hits every man ... the judgement is imminent for all ... delay it all you want , one daythe crack of the all will bid you a fait beyond your immagination. and on that day you will know the house of god.

i pray for your souls be safe from harm ... but i dont like the chances

Naniu

[Ammit]

I suppose that sites such as PA will always have some sort of watching group, taking an interest and possibly trying to take thread posts as far as they can.

It really does not matter as we are all here for information and with a hope that our points of view get read as intended. We are bound to be watched here as much as we are crossing a street. As the start of this thread managed to spark an interest in who with names etc, not needed really is it? We surely don't need names of possible trolls or nsa watchers to know we need to take care with any posts we make.

At the end of the day, the responsibility lies with us and our comments.....

[GoodETxSG]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

yes, if you try the white powder of gold, to live the 'normal' lifespan of 900 or so years, and you are not clear, if you are as rotten as 1 year in the desert sun chicken eggs, you will get a different result.

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

On the "White Powder Gold" or Mono-Tomic Gold issue... I have seen products out there popping up like crazy. Strange but not unexpected of course.

I have heard and read the theories of the Pro's/Con's of using the stuff... the theories abound. Question to Bill and some of those who are deeper into the connections (You know the Ratfish Oil controversy etc...)... where would one find the TRUE "STUFF"? I see liquids etc and other elements, silver and what not.

Any word on the PURE WHITE GOLD POWDER, that is manipulated into the Monotomic type? If so... is it really available or all fable?

One insider I spoke to avoided this topic like crazy while sharing other "Stuff"... and he had a super crazy lab where he had what he needed to create his own if he needed... he was the connected type, Luciferian and one of those that was one of the recruiters during the time "They showed interest" in me... But that topic was danced around. I wanted an answer and got none. I don't know if I ever will. Totally off topic. Sorry.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

yes, if you try the white powder of gold, to live the 'normal' lifespan of 900 or so years, and you are not clear, if you are as rotten as 1 year in the desert sun chicken eggs, you will get a different result.

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

On the "White Powder Gold" or Mono-Tomic Gold issue... I have seen products out there popping up like crazy. Strange but not unexpected of course.

I have heard and read the theories of the Pro's/Con's of using the stuff... the theories abound. Question to Bill and some of those who are deeper into the connections (You know the Ratfish Oil controversy etc...)... where would one find the TRUE "STUFF"? I see liquids etc and other elements, silver and what not.

Any word on the PURE WHITE GOLD POWDER, that is manipulated into the Monotomic type? If so... is it really available or all fable?

One insider I spoke to avoided this topic like crazy while sharing other "Stuff"... and he had a super crazy lab where he had what he needed to create his own if he needed... he was the connected type, Luciferian and one of those that was one of the recruiters during the time "They showed interest" in me... But that topic was danced around. I wanted an answer and got none. I don't know if I ever will. Totally off topic. Sorry.

I am testing 2 ormus products atm.

this one http://www.ormus-alchemy.com/the-alchemist/ which is saying its ormus while people think ormus is monoatomic gold as its principle element , this product is sea water and some other minerals. so its not true ormus or at least what we believe its supposed to be,

and i am trying another one which is true alchemical break down of gold using chemichal processes to make white powder monoatomic gold. this one is making a definite difference to my meditative sequence however i had already achieved an advanced level. for any substance to enhance my abilites in meditation is remarkable.

The former product .. not so much... its fizzy water ... nothing more
\
N

[naste.de.lumina]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

yes, if you try the white powder of gold, to live the 'normal' lifespan of 900 or so years, and you are not clear, if you are as rotten as 1 year in the desert sun chicken eggs, you will get a different result.

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

avoiding judgement and reincarnative process by staying here for a bit longer ... hmmm can you immagine the absolute terror they must have deep within them selves ?

no matter how much one believes in alternative deities what deal in flesh for profit ... when on their death bed a chill of remourse hits every man ... the judgement is imminent for all ... delay it all you want , one daythe crack of the all will bid you a fait beyond your immagination. and on that day you will know the house of god.

i pray for your souls be safe from harm ... but i dont like the chances

Naniu

I think you are correct.
Intuition is the soul of wit, but may call it emotional intelligence if you prefer. Understanding how it works on you and follow her advice will cause a remarkable change in the lives of those who allow themselves to be guided by this wisdom.
Are information and experience accumulate many, many lives.
When we want to hurt a person, this evil is marked in ourselves and not in the target person. With the love happens the same way.
Ie everything we think, feel and do (intention) is marked in our spirit, and this shows who we are. When discarnate, our appearance energy will have the image of who we are. No body of flesh that can be used as a mask used to disguise what we really are.
Thus the vibration of our spiritual energy which define the environment in which we will stay (equal to equal), until you can reincarnate again for another chance at the wheel of evolution.
Nothing is in vain. Every minute, every second counts.
Peace and trusted friend.

[eaglespirit]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

yes, if you try the white powder of gold, to live the 'normal' lifespan of 900 or so years, and you are not clear, if you are as rotten as 1 year in the desert sun chicken eggs, you will get a different result.

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

On the "White Powder Gold" or Mono-Tomic Gold issue... I have seen products out there popping up like crazy. Strange but not unexpected of course.

I have heard and read the theories of the Pro's/Con's of using the stuff... the theories abound. Question to Bill and some of those who are deeper into the connections (You know the Ratfish Oil controversy etc...)... where would one find the TRUE "STUFF"? I see liquids etc and other elements, silver and what not.

Any word on the PURE WHITE GOLD POWDER, that is manipulated into the Monotomic type? If so... is it really available or all fable?

One insider I spoke to avoided this topic like crazy while sharing other "Stuff"... and he had a super crazy lab where he had what he needed to create his own if he needed... he was the connected type, Luciferian and one of those that was one of the recruiters during the time "They showed interest" in me... But that topic was danced around. I wanted an answer and got none. I don't know if I ever will. Totally off topic. Sorry.

http://www.asc-alchemy.com/asc.html

http://www.asc-alchemy.com/order.html

Look into it further for Yourself, GoodeTXSG...I Wish You the Best!

I am currently brewing a batch of my own.


...adding this link, today, Sunday

http://www.asc-alchemy.com/assist.html

I understand You will probably look into this thoroughly, Goode....just wanted to add this link for Others to get the full 'idea' of this particular 'connection' of this particular 'process':
...
"In the depth of stillness the mystic becomes the magician and desire is born anew; but this time the desire is not for you”. It is a desire to assist with global transformation as well as personal transformation; to become a true magician; to participate in consciously creating a new world. Not a new world order; a new world. Consciously create for yourself, yes; it is an illusion, but a manifest illusion, and you can have as much as you wish with harm to none. But more and more the desire will be to participate in birthing a new dream for your world...."

[gripreaper]

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

I know this thread has strayed off topic, but this is a prescient point. Those who have attempted to circumvent their own spiritual evolution by manufacturing the elixirs of immortality, or the food of the gods, such as ormus, without being fully integrated, run the risk of totally disconnecting from source.

Definitely 'no soup for you', to use the same metaphor, even if you found the recipe to the best multani soup in an awmoire given to you by it's creator.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

I know this thread has strayed off topic, but this is a prescient point. Those who have attempted to circumvent their own spiritual evolution by manufacturing the elixirs of immortality, or the food of the gods, such as ormus, without being fully integrated, run the risk of totally disconnecting from source.

Definitely 'no soup for you', to use the same metaphor, even if you found the recipe to the best multani soup in an awmoire given to you by it's creator.

I agree , if you try to cheat you will by the ingenious machinaton of the All will end up tied to your fait. There is no escaping the sliding scales of the self in flux.

N

[Rocky_Shorz]

on a side note, has anyone heard about the large research center project - Cryo crypts coming up in Texas, guess Bush wants to get freeze dried so he can be thawed out in a few thousand years to continue his rein of terror...

not kidding they are planning on a fountain of youth for the failing faction...

the way I see it is we're winning...

wonder if there is room for Koch Bros in one of those cozy chambers...

yes, if you try the white powder of gold, to live the 'normal' lifespan of 900 or so years, and you are not clear, if you are as rotten as 1 year in the desert sun chicken eggs, you will get a different result.

If one looks into the literature about lost souls, who do not return to source as they have been bent and are looping, for a very long time, or lost screaming in the darkness..almost 'forever'..imagine what happens to the brutal and bent, while in body.... if they try to move to the manna of the gods.

"No soup for you".

interesting question, does a soul stay with a freeze dried body, or would it be considered dead and release it...

could be the old farts want to postpone their trip to hell...

will have to ponder this one for a bit...

[Ultima Thule]

Regarding Sidneys comment regarding Rafs - different facets of the same thing I gather.
Bear with me - I'd say Raf just might be optimistic in the 95% estimation, there for sure is a purposeful disinformation-mechanism in place, creating garbage, mixing in a few bits of real info. Add to that people that have a good laugh out of creating disinformation sites as a hobby. We thus definitely are bottom-feeders in a positive sense, isn't that what so called discernment is.

UT

[Mike]

hi Nanoo,

i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway.

we matter. absolutely we do. even if there's just 500 of us. I think of the parent who diligently monitors his son or daughter - but no matter how diligent they are, the kid is likely to experiment with drugs, have unprotected sex, and so on. does that mean the parent doesn't matter? is useless? of course not. I think it's the pull of that parent that causes the kid to *not go any further, to not become irreversibly destructive*. we keep hearing about the illuminatti's plans to do this and that, and yet it seems the can is being continually kicked down the road. why? well, I think we (and others like us) have something to do with that - even if it's just in a small way. but can we *stop* them?

this illuminatti plan has been in effect for thousands of years mate. they have contingency plans upon contingency plans, and it's gonna take a lot more than a few thousand keyboard warriors to stop them. perhaps we can slow them down a bit...not sure.

I think it's healthy to have a semi-tongue in cheek attitude towards the forum. not because the subject matter isn't of vital importance, but because it *is*. I think we lose when we become too serious, and that's basically the point of my original post here.

p.s. love ya Zeb:hug:

[Nanoo Nanoo]

hi Nanoo,

i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway.

we matter. absolutely we do. even if there's just 500 of us. I think of the parent who diligently monitors his son or daughter - but no matter how diligent they are, the kid is likely to experiment with drugs, have unprotected sex, and so on. does that mean the parent doesn't matter? is useless? of course not. I think it's the pull of that parent that causes the kid to *not go any further, to not become irreversibly destructive*. we keep hearing about the illuminatti's plans to do this and that, and yet it seems the can is being continually kicked down the road. why? well, I think we (and others like us) have something to do with that - even if it's just in a small way. but can we *stop* them?

this illuminatti plan has been in effect for thousands of years mate. they have contingency plans upon contingency plans, and it's gonna take a lot more than a few thousand keyboard warriors to stop them. perhaps we can slow them down a bit...not sure.

I think it's healthy to have a semi-tongue in cheek attitude towards the forum. not because the subject matter isn't of vital importance, but because it *is*. I think we lose when we become too serious, and that's basically the point of my original post here.

p.s. love ya Zeb:hug:

I think you are back peddling there a little.

The question here is security. People here, especially newbies possibly wont suspect things like this happening here.. but they are , and im woried more about our personal security .. forget privacy , that went out the door long ago.

Can you qualify your statement ?

" i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway. "

if my intuitive number was misleading does this mean you have a more accurate number to compare it to ? in order for a number to be mis leading then you must have a better idea ... if so can you share it with us ?

N

[Curt]

Nanoo,

I think you can probably understand where Chinaski is coming from. You have made a large claim here: that we're being monitored by a very specific number of groups and people.

And you've arrived at these figures via intuition, which means none of us can verify it.

Also, you've declined to answer which groups, as you've said it would be unproductive to do so.

And that's fine. It's your prerogative. Nobody is denying the real power of intuition, and nobody is questioning your right to freely express yourself.

Further, nobody is saying you're straight-up wrong.

Having said that, and without judgement, I would suggest to you that you try to understand why some will have questions, doubts, and concerns about the info you've shared.

Even some, including myself, who tend to believe we are being monitored, will have questions about your process and would feel helped by more specific information.




hi Nanoo,

i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway.

we matter. absolutely we do. even if there's just 500 of us. I think of the parent who diligently monitors his son or daughter - but no matter how diligent they are, the kid is likely to experiment with drugs, have unprotected sex, and so on. does that mean the parent doesn't matter? is useless? of course not. I think it's the pull of that parent that causes the kid to *not go any further, to not become irreversibly destructive*. we keep hearing about the illuminatti's plans to do this and that, and yet it seems the can is being continually kicked down the road. why? well, I think we (and others like us) have something to do with that - even if it's just in a small way. but can we *stop* them?

this illuminatti plan has been in effect for thousands of years mate. they have contingency plans upon contingency plans, and it's gonna take a lot more than a few thousand keyboard warriors to stop them. perhaps we can slow them down a bit...not sure.

I think it's healthy to have a semi-tongue in cheek attitude towards the forum. not because the subject matter isn't of vital importance, but because it *is*. I think we lose when we become too serious, and that's basically the point of my original post here.

p.s. love ya Zeb:hug:

I think you are back peddling there a little.

The question here is security. People here, especially newbies possibly wont suspect things like this happening here.. but they are , and im woried more about our personal security .. forget privacy , that went out the door long ago.

Can you qualify your statement ?

" i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway. "

if my intuitive number was misleading does this mean you have a more accurate number to compare it to ? in order for a number to be mis leading then you must have a better idea ... if so can you share it with us ?

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Nanoo,

I think you can probably understand where Chinaski is coming from. You have made a large claim here: that we're being monitored by a very specific number of groups and people.

And you've arrived at this figure via intuition, which means none of us can verify it.

Also, you've declined to answer which groups, as you've said it would be unproductive to do so.

And that's fine. It's your prerogative. Nobody is denying the real power of intuition, and nobody is questioning your right to freely express yourself.

Further, nobody is saying you're straight-up wrong.

Having said that, and without judgement, I would suggest to you that you try to understand why some will have questions, doubts, and concerns about the info you've shared.

Even some, including myself, who tend to believe we are being monitored, will have questions about your process and would feel helped by more specific information.




hi Nanoo,

i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway.

we matter. absolutely we do. even if there's just 500 of us. I think of the parent who diligently monitors his son or daughter - but no matter how diligent they are, the kid is likely to experiment with drugs, have unprotected sex, and so on. does that mean the parent doesn't matter? is useless? of course not. I think it's the pull of that parent that causes the kid to *not go any further, to not become irreversibly destructive*. we keep hearing about the illuminatti's plans to do this and that, and yet it seems the can is being continually kicked down the road. why? well, I think we (and others like us) have something to do with that - even if it's just in a small way. but can we *stop* them?

this illuminatti plan has been in effect for thousands of years mate. they have contingency plans upon contingency plans, and it's gonna take a lot more than a few thousand keyboard warriors to stop them. perhaps we can slow them down a bit...not sure.

I think it's healthy to have a semi-tongue in cheek attitude towards the forum. not because the subject matter isn't of vital importance, but because it *is*. I think we lose when we become too serious, and that's basically the point of my original post here.

p.s. love ya Zeb:hug:

I think you are back peddling there a little.

The question here is security. People here, especially newbies possibly wont suspect things like this happening here.. but they are , and im woried more about our personal security .. forget privacy , that went out the door long ago.

Can you qualify your statement ?

" i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway. "

if my intuitive number was misleading does this mean you have a more accurate number to compare it to ? in order for a number to be mis leading then you must have a better idea ... if so can you share it with us ?

N

You missed the Tone of my question directed to Chinaski

but thank you for the explanation regadless.

Naniu


PS the Number of people and groups is for the eyes of the people and groups them selves. Not for us ,.. if you get my drift.

[Mike]

hi Nanoo,

i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway.

we matter. absolutely we do. even if there's just 500 of us. I think of the parent who diligently monitors his son or daughter - but no matter how diligent they are, the kid is likely to experiment with drugs, have unprotected sex, and so on. does that mean the parent doesn't matter? is useless? of course not. I think it's the pull of that parent that causes the kid to *not go any further, to not become irreversibly destructive*. we keep hearing about the illuminatti's plans to do this and that, and yet it seems the can is being continually kicked down the road. why? well, I think we (and others like us) have something to do with that - even if it's just in a small way. but can we *stop* them?

this illuminatti plan has been in effect for thousands of years mate. they have contingency plans upon contingency plans, and it's gonna take a lot more than a few thousand keyboard warriors to stop them. perhaps we can slow them down a bit...not sure.

I think it's healthy to have a semi-tongue in cheek attitude towards the forum. not because the subject matter isn't of vital importance, but because it *is*. I think we lose when we become too serious, and that's basically the point of my original post here.

p.s. love ya Zeb:hug:

I think you are back peddling there a little.

The question here is security. People here, especially newbies possibly wont suspect things like this happening here.. but they are , and im woried more about our personal security .. forget privacy , that went out the door long ago.

Can you qualify your statement ?

" i'm not offended that you used your intuition. the numbers you used were just misleading - to me, anyway. "

if my intuitive number was misleading does this mean you have a more accurate number to compare it to ? in order for a number to be mis leading then you must have a better idea ... if so can you share it with us ?

N


back peddling? no I really do love Zeb;)

look, the security here is what it is. there will always be risks. you take them when you walk out of the house every morning for work.

if I get in the business of qualifying all my statements, i'll probably be qualifying forever. but i'll indulge you: your numbers (36 and 4, right?) are so specific as to give the impression that you truly have "inside" info. to your credit, you quickly admitted it was an "intuitive" sense, but still it was only after someone asked you. I wonder if you would have admitted it otherwise. to me it smacked of sensationalism. the whole thread does, actually.

either way, it's no big deal. i'd rather not go round in circles with you. I've got beer to drink.

p.s. per your msg: I agree - nothing is more annoying than someone who adopts the accent or idiom from another country, embracing it as their own. in college, we had a few players that did exactly this (on soccer team) and I took great joy in pointing out their phoniness every time I had the opportunity. it's true, I do use the word "mate" from time to time, and the reason I do this is simple: you can't really go around calling fully grown men "dude" or "bro", can you? it's obnoxious. I prefer "mate". it's a convenient word, what can I say? if it's annoying to any Brits or Australians here, i'll stop. seriously.:)

[Rosco1]

Chinaski, post 147 quote: So I doubt we are being watched.

We are all being very closely monitored by various agencies on here.

If some of us either get too close to the truth or figure out some of our true human potential (that we are much more powerful human beingsbbeings than we are led to believe) then TPTB step in and give us dire warnings not to continue or face their wrath.

In January of this year I was abducted by MILABS.
I was bloody furious they did this, but heeded till now their message.
Don't think for one minute that this could not happen to you.
I am not trying to scare anyone here, but just stating as to what happened to me.

The abduction I believe was related to my thread on 'Calling down UFOs via telepathy'.

I will never give up my search for the Truth.

As to 'TPTB' I give you the two finger salute!!

[CD7]

Where's the emoticon guy who bends down and moons you when you need him??

[mahalall]

Putting aside the naivety of the four groups being;

me,myself,i and you.

hello shirts ;)

[Billy]

Avalon is being monitored by 4 different groups.

Good news indeed. I was hoping there would have been more. :whistle:


Peace

[Bill Ryan]

Good news indeed. I was hoping there would have been more. :whistle:


I'm disappointed. I was hoping there would have been more.

:)

[Limor Wolf]

Good news indeed. I was hoping there would have been more. :whistle:


I'm disappointed. I was hoping there would have been more.

:)

Menpower is a little short at the moment, busy keeping their finger on the dam,
but human consciousness (Ahem, I mean the water) is about to erupt any minute now
Saturate the soil of the planet :)

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Nanoo Nanoo

know your enemy! but trick is "don't let him know you know"
Keep the upper hand, don't just show it in public!
keep the Trick up your sleeve till ya need it the most!
Having said that though of course their here, don't you know the Boogers are everywhere!

If it's only the human kind your talking of well maybe they might see we are trying to save the Earth and Humanity, a cause worth joining ha.
Come on over, we still have the Sun and enough Light to shair!

[JRS]

Wow Rosco1! Can you elaborate on the milabs abduction you experienced? I think you may have hit the nail on the head with your deduction that calling ET's telepathically is the sensitive issue!!! Steven Greer and the Cseti folks do this all the time. Greer believes this is one of the reasons they are constantly harassed. Imagine how pissed the PTW are that anyone has the ability to interact with ET's outside of official channels just by using telepathy! I have witnessed this work many times. It is what it is. As a group Cseti initiates telepathic contact one Saturday per month when the moon is dark and visualization of the stars and ET's is easier. That night is tonight. All around the world aver 100 Cseti groups are making peaceful telepathic contact with ET's right now! They have amazing experiences. Telepathy is key!

[Sunny-side-up]

Good news indeed. I was hoping there would have been more. :whistle:


I'm disappointed. I was hoping there would have been more.

:)
4 groups monitoring Avalon with 8 groups monitoring them and 16 more monitoring them, many ears and eyes ha

[Rosco1]

In reply to JRS - Post 211

Regarding the MILABS Abduction:
I had just gone to bed, turned out the lights and after about ten seconds these two lights appeared in my bedroom.
They were about the size of two dinner plates hovering at the end of my bed, one just above the other.
One was pale yellow, the other was a soft white.
I quickly turned on my bedside light and they disappeared immediatley.
As soon as I had turned the light on I came over very sleepy and could not keep my eyes open, with a message in my head saying "There is nothing to worry about, check it out in the morning".

When I did eventually wake up in the morning, I woke up absolutely furious. I felt I had been violated, I had bruise marks on my legs and arms and a message repeating over and over to "Drop the UFO subject and get on with your life or else face our wrath".

Their intimidation has worked until now.

The negative side to all of this is the above.

The Positive side to all of this is I will be holding a week long 'Calling down UFOs via telepathy' event around the Dorchester area.
The dates are: Saturday 28th September to Saturday 5th October 2013.

I will be teaching:
Telepathy
The best techniques for photographing UFOs, orb and other paranormal phenomena
Understanding when UFOs are calling you
Healing

Any members are welcome to attend.

There are other subjects being taught but I am not willing to make this public on any site!!

Another Avalon member is coming down from the Manchester area to witness all of this (Dedication eh!).
I feel good that I have turned a negative experience into a positive one.

If it was not for the MILAB Abduction, this event would not be taking place.

So to TPTB - THANKS!!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Good news indeed. I was hoping there would have been more. :whistle:


I'm disappointed. I was hoping there would have been more.

:)

Oh Bill, you are soo naughty !

N

[Amysenthia]

Anyone that frequents PA has to know this. Thank you though Nanoo Nanoo for feeling that you want to warn us about this. I appreciate your intent. Let them monitor and collect their data. What does it really matter. My message for all of them is best reflected in this song by Imagine Dragons video:

ktvTqknDobU

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Good news indeed. I was hoping there would have been more. :whistle:


I'm disappointed. I was hoping there would have been more.

:)

Menpower is a little short at the moment, busy keeping their finger on the dam,
but human consciousness (Ahem, I mean the water) is about to erupt any minute now
Saturate the soil of the planet :)

You know i have a very distinct feeling a visitation is imminent. one that was not expected and will be a true eye opener.

N
N

[Limor Wolf]

Good news indeed. I was hoping there would have been more. :whistle:


I'm disappointed. I was hoping there would have been more.



Menpower is a little short at the moment, busy keeping their finger on the dam,
but human consciousness (Ahem, I mean the water) is about to erupt any minute now
Saturate the soil of the planet

You know i have a very distinct feeling a visitation is imminent. one that was not expected and will be a true eye opener.

N
N

Any distinct feelings about the nature of the guests, Naniu? :)

[Menkaure]

My 2 cents to the 'Watchers' that are watching the watchers, etc... You are loosing. We (real humans) CAN handle the truth and we're digging it up bit by bit despite your efforts. Go away.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Rosco 1 it is still a negative experience. What lead you to doing all this greerish stuff. It is very dangerous to teach people to contact ETs. If they were able to make you fall asleep and put thoughts in your head, who knows what else they could be doing to you!you are playing with fire my friend and it burns when one is not prepared for the truth. You will see... You have submitted to the intervention. You are there tool now.
They who abducted you most likely are manipulating you and using you to to reach more people. That fact that you haven't resisted them makes you there puppet. If you can tell them you see through there deception and will not support it that is a start. You must be with knowledge the deeper part of yourself to face these beings and to overcome them! That is humanities only hope in face of the intervention. Do not show them love. Do not show them fear. Be neutral. You will become impossible to be used for there cause. Humanity doesn't need you subjecting more people to ET intervention and manipulation. Careful. Be careful. You are in a dangerous situation now! If you want to secure your freedom, your human sovereignty, and your self determination, you will resist these beings with every fiber of your being! Then you will see who and what they really are. They are cruel and unkind. They do not value human freedom. Good luck.
Nasi Novare Coram ( the presence of the teachers of god are with us)

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Rosco I really can't see how that is positive. Your doing what the Ets want you to do. Subject more humans to there presence. What if you didn't. Do you think they would show you there Wrath? They can't do anything to you but destroy your body which in most cases they wouldn't do. It depends how controlled you are by now. There best weapon is manipulation of the mind. It is power in the mental environment. You have to take this seriously. It is no game!

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

It is important to remember that we ARE being monitored, all of us, all the time. For most emails, texts,internet postings, social media, phone calls etc., it would be logical to assume a computerized technology is used - much like the programs that monitor public street activity, using algorithms to establish patterns and then sending out alerts (for further investigation) when those patterns are not followed.

Intuitively, one senses that the increase in monitoring of social media allows a fairly accurate glimpse into the collective psyche at any given time, and provides a wealth of data to manipulate public fears, concerns and emotion, as well as directing attention and creating diversionary drama.

At a forum such as this one, that monitoring might be a bit more personal- again using the response to various postings as a way to gauge which buttons can be pushed and how to effectively trigger fear, anxiety and uncertainty - sense these emotional states lower the vibrations and allow one to be manipulated most easily.

It's a good reminder to stay chill and check your ego at the door :).

[CD7]

Hummm wht a post post modern way to think....but its been said that our whole life is being recorded within ourselves and we are also watched cataloged, surveilled here also (in life and on computers)....WOW we must be one of the most watched creatures alive!!! REALLY?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

is this thread still going ? whats the subject today ?

[PurpleLama]

We are the Intergalactic Reality Television Show

[eaglespirit]

subject?...what subject??? : )

oh yaaaaaa...they can kiss my cosmic arse : )

[Nanoo Nanoo]

subject?...what subject??? : )

oh yaaaaaa...they can kiss my cosmic arse : )

is having a cosmic arse mean its big ? do you have a big bum ?

N

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We are the Intergalactic Reality Television Show

you know i always played with the idea we are a TV show for ET's i mean we find worlds funnies videos funny , can you imagine how they would find it ?

ha

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I wish them well , they have to live here to . Peace be with you whoever you are .

this has to be my favorite answer in this thread : 0 )

hugs back to you

N

[Referee]

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

i think Alex neds his pills ... ha

just kidding

or am i ?...

N