The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

[Bill Ryan]

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I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.


There was certainly a historical Jesus.


He was both a [non-violent] revolutionary, rather like Gandhi, and an inspirational spiritual leader who really did have, or really was, something very special.


The parts of his story that later became enshrined in Salvationism (the best term for the metaphysics of the Roman Church) -- the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story (which, before it was written by anyone, were recounted by word of mouth).


That celebrated and much promoted mythology is not the Jesus story at all, and is merely a distraction. It was the world's first major (and effective) disinfo campaign. (Remember: disinfo = part truth, part fiction).


None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.


The stories of what he really was, taught, and stood for have all been expunged from history. Books -- some of them scholarly historical accounts (like the Gospel of Thomas (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm), which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy. Many books mentioned in earlier texts have not yet surfaced at all and we can only guess at their contents. We still wouldn't know about much of this at all if it hadn't been for the chance discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls in 1945.


The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?


Here are my provocative (to some) suggestions as a series of answers to the last question:


The Essenes, with whom Jesus studied, knew all about the Book of Enoch, which was a centrally important reference document for them. It was widely known about and read at that time. This too had completely disappeared from history until it was rediscovered in Ethiopia in 1773 (and an original Aramaic version was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls more recently).


The Book of Enoch, a huge topic in itself, warns of the takeover of the planet by the Archons -- non-human, off-planet entities that crave power and control. It was the Archons, of course (then in human form, because they take over people in positions of power) who banned and burned all the books and identified Jesus and his teachings as a particular threat. In that sense, Jesus may have been the world's first major whistleblower, and paid the price for his stance.


Jay Weidner writes very clearly about this. See this important summary article (http://jayweidner.com/Archons.html) (a Jeff Rense interview transcript).


Besides warning about the planetary takeover, Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.

Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.


Mary Magdalene ('Mariamne Mara' -- in Greek, 'Mary the Master') was Jesus' main supporter and advocate, and was also his wife. She was charged with the responsibility of making sure the real story was known.

Jesus survived the crucifixion, and he and Mary both fled to Egypt until 37 AD when Jesus later returned to Kashmir and Mary sailed to Narbonne with her child or children, where she was taken care of in a Jewish community based in Rennes-les-Bains (just a few miles from Rennes-le-Chateau, where in 1890 the local priest Bérenger Saunière discovered incontrovertible proof that (among much else) Jesus was still alive in 45 AD, and was paid a large sum by the Vatican to keep this information secret).


Mary lived in that community until something like 54-55 AD, but made a critically important error of judgment in trusting someone she should not have, was betrayed, and vitally important documents that she was safeguarding were stolen. This incident was one of several major turning points of history.


Mary was subsequently vilified, minimized and marginalized by the early Church, branded as a repentant prostitute rather than the teacher, leader, healer and chosen messenger that she was. This malicious lie was deliberately widespread.


Mary became much revered by women, and equally vilified by men, for the same reasons that many of the early texts were banned and burned, There was a struggle for women's equality and a recognition of the very important role of the female body that is still mirrored today, and Mary was the champion of that cause -- which Jesus recognized and fully understood. That was why Peter saw her as such a threat.


What happened to Jesus was the world's first major disinfo campaign, and what happened to Mary was the world's first major smear campaign.


The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:

-- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
-- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
-- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
-- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
-- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
-- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.


It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.


Summary: we're still in with a chance.

[Wind]

That is a great summary, Bill. :)

[Another1]

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.

Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.

Your last few points are my 'gut feeling' after digesting everything and adding to personal experience.

-- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.

It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.



Summary: we're still in with a chance.

[Cidersomerset]

I was brought up in the Christian dogma of God , Jesus etc and became more atheist as
I got older. But after finding Ion back in 2009 after Bill & Kerri interviewed James Martinez
on the early Camelot radio show and from there, found James Show I have looked at
religion differently.



2 December 2010—iON comments on Jesus to James Martinez, Bob Nevritt & Dr. Carolyn Dean....

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_jesus.mp3

http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/source-cash-flow-howionic.html

[william r sanford72]

this is an important post on many levals.this information is pure gold.and have used some of this info in my ongoing personal struggle to impart this truth to a rigid dogma programmed into the people i love.not to long ago the debate arose again.i in my stupidity. driven by ego to prove myself..revealed a knack.this led to fear and a for the first time in my life to have a cross shoved into my face..held up like i was demon.the following day..the local pastor showed up.sent by the people i frightend.we know each other well.friends.so he knew that spewing bible passages and vs. would not work being i have read the bible many times we or i discussed the enoch books.and christ.were still friends..who agree to disagree.when i asked him about my god given knacks and if they should be used..he had no reply.so..thanks for the thread as im trying to find a balance in all this without pushing loved ones away.or seeming to be crazy...er.or demonic.

[jiminii]

I had a class 8 auditor take me back to the crucifixion of Jesus .. and I went inside the body and something was slamming it with heavy electronic fields ... like something that can hit a being not the physical body .. it slammed ME the BEING so hard ... that I couldn't stay in the body ... so I left ... now I was REALLY in this period of time .. Popped back there .. so I could move around and look at it as a spirit being (the viewpoint that operates inside this physical universe) ... so I moved to his back and right side about 100 meters and I could see very intense expressions from his face .. pointing to the crowd .. In front of him was a huge oval of golden light ... you can see this same golden light on famous paintings of the time .... and then this Oval light moved up ... and I followed it .. and it was a UFO ... it was cloaked in gold to hide itself from the crowd ... and I yelled, "it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a dirty rotten trick " ... ok ... what was the trick ... this UFO may have been the entities Jesus was in communications with .... LRH stated in one of his books ... Jesus was the only one that obtained the Buddhist state the Buddhas were trying to obtain .... and this was what the enemies ... (reptilians or who ever they were in that ship ) were trying to prevent ... they set up both Jesus and Mohammed to create CONTROL RELIGIONS ... and this UFO was IMPLANTING THE AREA ... while it was there .. and PREVENTING JESUS from doing what he would have done that would have been AWE inspiring and would have changed history ... ... but it was prevented by these Aliens in the UFO ... so they have been very busy stopping what we were trying to do ... at the time and change it to what we have today ...

I don't have all the details ... because this came out of the Being that is me ... and I have no clear way to get that information to this body ... I just give this information from my own experience ... if it will help clear up some of our past

jim

[Cidersomerset]

There were apparently three Jesus's....and ION is an expert on the old Testament...

I'm not ..LOL...but this is fun.

10 March 2010—iON gives the original Lord’s Prayer for all you Lords out there.

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_lords_prayer.mp3


The second Jesus's version of.....

The Lord’s Prayer


My Non-Physical,

which is ever-present in me

hallowed be your space.

My kingdom come,

My will be done

on Earth,

as it already is in Heaven.



Allow me this day to create my daily bliss.

Allow forgiveness of my trespasses

as this is only Contrast

that I Purpose

to help me Choose

the fastest path to my Joy.



Allow me the power

not to push against,

or even notice,

those who trespass on me.

Lead me through all temptations

that separate me from

my Whole, Complete,

Ascended Power of Beingness.



Relieve me from

the false premise of Evil,

For Mine is the Power

and the Glory,

Eternally.


Selah


http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/ion-original-lords-prayer.html

BOB , James and Carolyn explaining Assencion....144double helix's, chromozone 14, RNA
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44999-BOB-James-and-Carolyn-explaining-Assencion....144double-helix-s-chromozone-14-RNA

[Tommy]

Very interesting read

I don't have much to add other than the fact that your theory seems to be similar to what we have heard from (among others) the Priory of Sion

Cheers

[Bill Ryan]

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.

Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.


Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?

[spiritguide]

Your thread is inspiring Bill. Man-God and/or God -man his spirit is returning as promised. No sharper a sword than truth!

Peace!

[ulli]

When Abdu'l-Baha, the son of the founder of the Baha'i Faith visited the West in 1912,
after having been released from prison in Palestine,
he never once omitted mentioning Mary Magdalene in his public talks.
People who attended those talks made notes which were later compiled in various books.

Here is a blog where the most of the references to Mary Magdalene can be seen in one place.

I just wish to point out that whatever the Bahai Faith is,
it served as a reminder of the high station of Mary Magdalene,
back in the early 20th century, thus preparing the way to a renewed interest in her.

http://bahaimosaic.blogspot.com/2010/10/mary-magdalene.html


Quote:
'All were shaken but Mary Magdalen. She was a veritable lioness. She gathered the others together and said, "Why do ye mourn? Did not the Christ foretell his crucifixion? Arise, and be assured. They have killed but the body; the reality can never die, for it is supreme, eternal, the word of God, the son of God. Why, therefore, are ye agitated?" Thus this heroine became the cause of re-establishing the faith of the apostles.

'My hope is that each one of you may become as Mary Magdalen -- for this woman was superior to all the men of her time and her reality is ever shining from the horizon of Christ.'

(Abdu'l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 50)"

[Another1]

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.

Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.


Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?

He offered very little information beyond that he was a caretaker and obeyed a nudge to loan it. No title upon it. Was filled with info pretty much outlined in your post. It seemed strange at the time because in my reality he was just a guy who sat on tailgate of truck and drank a case of beer every Saturday. He did not want to discuss anything.

I do remember that previous to this I had frightened his wife by mentioning that I found the Dead Sea Scrolls online.
She thought it was against the law. Maybe that is what gave him the nudge?

My son is good friends with his daughter and I will ask him to bring it up with her. See if any more info is available.

What pleases me to know now is that person has been sharing the info for more than 30 years now while you state in post that

Some of what I list below is quite well-known
This is one of them cases where it wouldn't bother me at all to be the last one arriving. :)

[gittarpikk]

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.

Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.


Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?

For some odd reason, I am getting a gut feeling this is the Urantia Book. I have seen some posts from 'elsewhere' that state to go back to the Urantia book as it has the most accurate depiction of how things are...and historical records in it...

just a hunch,..

I was exposed to it in the early 90's (same bbs forum, Bill, I was involved in that contained the exerps of Joe M. I sent you months ago).

There is a lot of relevance contained in it ..and when I was gleaning it... thought someday I should go back to this for a thorough read as I was doing more investigating its origin rather than what it was saying at the time...I still have this book and it is available in digital online free..and I think has an audio version as well...hmmm

I am curious how he will answer..

[Flash]

I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.

[gittarpikk]

I think it is full of misinformation.

aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hmmm interesting info here Bill...thank you...I agree mostly with what you say...

Just a couple of points I wish to make if its ok...

I see Jesus as a messenger...I often wonder where he came from? Do you?

Also in much of the information you have mentioned he clearly states that he will return for his flock...just wondered what your interpretation/thoughts of this are ... ?

Eric/viking

[ghostrider]

the plejaren have given this - the same spirit form incarnates teaching the laws of creation and it's recommendations, many personalities , same spirit , Nokodemjon, henoch , enoch, jerimiah, Immanuel, mohommad, edward ... the truth comes to earth and earth humans always corrupt it ... funny the message of the prophets was the same, love your neighbor, don't lie, don't steal, whatever you sow , you reap , all life is sacred , don't covet your neighbors things , etc ... Immanuel wrongly name Jesus was a person born feb 2 , teaching the laws of creation ... the only ones he had trouble with was religious people , they didn't like what he had to say ...

[Bill Ryan]

For some odd reason, I am getting a gut feeling this is the Urantia Book.

I searched the Urantia Book from this page (http://www.urantia.org) for Magdalene references, and found nothing beyond adaptations of what's in the orthodox, mainstream New Testament. Nothing radical there at all, as far as I can see.



I see Jesus as a messenger...I often wonder where he came from? Do you?

I have no idea -- honestly.



Also in much of the information you have mentioned he clearly states that he will return for his flock...just wondered what your interpretation/thoughts of this are ... ?

My interpretation of that (and those words have been mistranslated and 'spun' many times over) is that his real message would return to wide awareness. Not the man or the being himself.

[Flash]

I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.


Guitarpikk: aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.

I do not have it anymore, so i cannot give specific discrepancies, and discrepancies compared with what? To have discrepancies, you have to have a comparative.

I read it all and remember enjoying it if I took it as a science fi book (i do like science fiction). But, contrarily to some science fiction books containing a large amount of truth, I thought Urantia book was rather not true. At the most, explaining another planet reality, but most probably just imagination.

Why? Because the woman who gave it to me had been part of a church, pretty high near the head of it, that promoted heavily the reading and usage of Urantia book. Yet, she was beating up children, had deep knowledge of herbal usage for nefarious purposes, used magic for her own benefit, was stealing and lying, name it (took me a while to see it, but there was no mistaking about this). I was sure that the precise book given to me had been charged with nefarious energies, so I threw it away.

Edit:

Bill, I remember while reading it finding a lots of references to the ordinary bible stories, twisted another way. Plus additions from imaginative people. As an example, I clearly remember that people were traveling in a sacz that were hanging down from huge birds (the tork stories, but for adult people), it was a mode of locomotion way way back. And all kind of stuff like this.

[Christine]

I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.


Guitarpikk: aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.

I do not have it anymore, so i cannot give specific discrepancies, and discrepancies compared with what? To have discrepancies, you have to have a comparative.

I read it all and remember enjoying it if I took it as a science fi book (i do like science fiction). But, contrarily to some science fiction books containing a large amount of truth, I thought Urantia book was rather not true. At the most, explaining another planet reality, but most probably just imagination.

Why? Because the woman who gave it to me had been part of a church, pretty high near the head of it, that promoted heavily the reading and usage of Urantia book. Yet, she was beating up children, had deep knowledge of herbal usage for nefarious purposes, used magic for her own benefit, was stealing and lying, name it (took me a while to see it, but there was no mistaking about this). I was sure that the precise book given to me had been charged with nefarious energies, so I threw it away.

Edit:

Bill, I remember while reading it finding a lots of references to the ordinary bible stories, twisted another way. Plus additions from imaginative people. As an example, I clearly remember that people were traveling in a sacz that were hanging down from huge birds (the tork stories, but for adult people), it was a mode of locomotion way way back. And all kind of stuff like this.

Hi Flash,

I just want to add my voice to yours on the Urantia book (a subject to be moved to another thread so as to not derail this one).

It has much right but a hidden agenda is palpable to my senses. The intuitive sense that it implants wrong intent in the reader made me put it down and never look for it again.

If we are to take the teachings of Jesus and Mary Magdalene at their core truth we must learn to trust our inner Self knowingness, tune into that for there are the keys. Our susceptibility to undesirable influences will only end when we truly know ourselves.

:focus:

[Joseph McAree]

Hi Bill,

That is one of the best posts I have read from you in some time Bill, thanks. It is strange but I almost went into the priesthood myself when I was young, what a mistake that would have been, I fully support everything you have summarised and I see that the Vatican has came under fire yet again after a documentary last night highlighted the abuse of children in the Scottish highlands by Catholic Monks this time ;
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037p6h2.
Police have confirmed they are investigating claims of sexual and physical abuse by monks at a former Catholic boarding school in the Highlands.

Alleged victims who attended Fort Augustus Abbey school told a BBC Scotland investigation that they were molested and beaten by monks over a period of three decades from the 1950s.

It has also been claimed that abuse was carried out at Carlekemp, its feeder school in East Lothian.

Both schools are no longer open.

A police statement said: "Police Scotland Highland and Islands division are investigating historic reports of allegations of abuse from former pupils at the Fort Augustus Abbey school.

"This is a live inquiry and therefore it would inappropriate to provide further comment at present."

The Lothians and Scottish Borders division said its officers would help the inquiry if evidence suggests that criminal activity occurred at Carlekemp.

Five men claimed on the Sins Of Our Fathers documentary, screened on Monday night, that they were raped or sexually abused by Father Aidan Duggan, an Australian monk who taught at Carlekemp and Fort Augustus between 1953 and 1974.

Fr Duggan died in 2004 but some abuse claims relate to men who are still alive.

Donald Macleod, who attended Fort Augustus from 1961, said he was raped by Fr Duggan when he was 14 but was not believed.

"I was called into the headmaster's office and he said that he'd heard that I'd been telling my parents about Fr Aidan and that I shouldn't tell these lies and that it's a mortal sin to lie about things like that," he told the programme.

The investigation also uncovered allegations that Fort Augustus, a Benedictine abbey, was used as a "dumping ground" for problem clergy who confessed to abusing children.

Dom Richard Yeo, abbot president of the English Benedictine Congregation, which unites autonomous Roman Catholic Benedictine communities of monks and nuns, told the programme: "I'm very sorry about any abuse that may have been committed at Fort Augustus."

Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme, Father John Robinson, the patron of a charity for abuse survivors, said the apology does not go far enough.

"There are all sorts of good words spoken, like 'sorry', and I appreciate that. But there is no programme of care for the victims," he said.

"The Church keeps falling back on the safeguarding policy. What we are dealing with is the utter failure of safeguarding."
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I wonder when it will stop, these cases are going back many years, so why are priests not allowed to marry or for that matter monks, for if they did surely this child abuse would never happen.
I have read that the reason that the Vatican stopped Priest from marrying is because it was having to pay inheritance from its funds to family members and re housing spouses, I am not sure if this is the case but it would not surprise me , in the early days of Christianity all priest bishops and cardinals would be married men so what stopped it ?
In the time of Jesus everyone involved with teaching and educating children had to be married or the were not allowed to teach or preach.


Again Great post Bill, do you know something I love this forum,
many thanks for creating it and bringing so much talent and knowledge and like minded folks together in one place.

Kindest Regards
Joe

[gittarpikk]

I''l keep it short ...for same reasons

In the years since I too looked at the Urantia book, I have received many and varied explanations of why people rejected it...all noted, however when I first looked at it in the early 90's, technology and the planetary belief in anything but a conventional religious-based hypothesis was only just forming. Some, insider groups had more information but the general public was just coming online.

My first impression was 'wow' and over the years I can begin to believe some of the things I remember reading.....but at first it was simply far 'out there'...but could be quite relevant at this time.

personally I am seeing more valid reasons to revisit the text than not...and of late those 'elsewhere' sources are becoming relevant as well..If we want discuss more , I suggest a new thread...there may even be a thread already on PA that may be a candidate ...I haven't looked.

[Freed Fox]

Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.


Although there are a lot of good, intriguing points in the OP, this piece of information quoted above is absolutely the most crucial, IMHO. We need to learn this lesson, and apply it universally. Whenever I read messages tinged with hatred toward any group, I am reminded that we still have much progress left to make in this regard.

Thank you very much Bill. "God" bless. ;)

[Prodigal Son]

I am very comforted to know that I have reached all the same conclusions from my own research, Bill.

The details of Jesus surviving the crucifixion and how the clues to that truth are contained in the Bible are very interesting...

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2006/04/Could-Jesus-Have-Survived-The-Crucifixion.aspx

It has been suggested by some researchers that Jesus was taken to Egypt while still an infant because of Herod seeking the deaths of all the firstborn... and it was there that he studied the Mysteries with Mary. Aside from teaching in the Temple at the age of 12 and learning the trade of carpentry there is nothing in the Bible to give us a clue as to what he did for nearly 30 years before being baptized in the Jordan River.

[Flash]

Now back to Jesus topic

20 years ago, I had a vision, call it a dream if you wish (but it was not a dream), and in it, I was lying down on a dune of sand, and saw far away a group of people standing up carrying a body on top of them. I had the real hard feeling that it was Jesus. Then suddenly, in my vision, I heard "Enoch".

I knew nothing of possible reincarnation of Enoch as Jesus, or even who Enoch was. I had to check in the bible afterward to learn about Enoch.

A few months later, I met someone in Cuba, we started to speak spirituality to discover that we had the same dream/vision, to the details. Then I was looking for the book of Enoch for years, to finally receive a copy from that guy that was very hard to read, being kind of verses. Up to the day where I read about "the keys of Enoch". It was kind of "wow, this is it".

Since, I like looking at anything that goes around Jesus. I am sure that the message he was trying to promulgate had to do with finding our inner self, aligning with universal energies that are light/love, he taught the path. And I always knew that Mary Magdalene was his wife or lover.

Years late, I went in Turkey and visited Ephesus (yes, Ephesus from the bible). The first assembly hall (catholic say christian church) was built by John in Ephesus. He had ended up there with Mary the mother of Jesus, and they were well known in Ephesus. Both John and Mary died nearby. At the time (15 years ago), John's tomb was well taken care of and the story told to tourists, but not now anymore (too much radical Muslims I presume).

From there, it was really easy for me to understand that they had spread around and that Mary Magdalene had most probably finally taken the north west direction (France), with or without Jesus.

Then, lately I saw the video of Bob Dean where he recount being regressed to the time of Jesus life, where he was Jesus friend, and how emotional and filled with love it made him.

I would very much like to be able to link together those spread around feeling/info/visions I had. I wonder why I am mentioning this here? May be I will get other itsi bitsi details allowing to build the whole picture.

[LahTera]

I love this post. I had not considered Archons being involved in the Council of Nicean.

I have read some of the Dead Sea Scrolls (translated by Willis Barnstone), although it's been awhile, and I was fascinated with them. Some of the Gnostic creationists texts moved me to the point of writing a poem.

It's my understanding that there are still scrolls to be translated, and I've been looking forward to reading those as well.

I had also read about Mary living where you indicated, but had not heard about Jesus surviving the crucifixion.

I often have conversations with folks on Facebook about how the Nicean Council (twice) decided which books were to go into the Bible and which were not. It was clear they wanted religious control and I am not a fan of such things. Even when you read the New Testament, you can see that Jesus taught that seeking God was a personal journey, one that did not need priests. Two or more people discussing God *was* church.

Thanks so much for sharing this!

Makes me want to reread the scrolls. ;)

[johnf]

Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.


Although there are a lot of good, intriguing points in the OP, this piece of information quoted above is absolutely the most crucial, IMHO. We need to learn this lesson, and apply it universally. Whenever I read messages tinged with hatred toward any group, I am reminded that we still have much progress left to make in this regard.

Thank you very much Bill. "God" bless. ;)

I agree quite strongly on this point.
There seems to be a lack of what was specifically taught around these lines.
Obviously agressiveness loves it when someone fights back, and it only escalates the suffering, and violence.
I have listened to a few lectures by John Lash, but I still have not found any practical methods that made sense to me on how to free oneself internally.
At one point he seemed to be convinced that there was a giant praying mantis trapped in the core of the earth, and it was trying to get out.
Not as metaphor, but a literal belief.
Has anyone found any descriptions of what Mary and Jesus were teaching people?
I did however love John's description of the little bursts of illumination that were found throughout the nag hammadi documents.

[chocolate]

From all the things I have read during the years, the most controversial ones totally proved to be the most influential and true ones, for me at least.
Project Avalon is an example of a strange, but influential such place I happened to come across once.

This thread comes at the right time for me. Thank you, Bill.
I share your opinions on all points.

I read recently that most of the people listen to something only to be able to reply, but I think threads like this one are what we need and what interests most of us right now, that is why I also allowed myself to express an opinion.

:thank_you2:

[LahTera]

I can relate to that! My grandmother had me memorize all the books of the Bible by the time I was 4. However, when I began experiencing things the Bible didn't explain, I began looking elsewhere for information. My path has diverged greatly. I now try to keep a very open mind about all possibilities, will listen to all and take note. Peace!

[ROMANWKT]

Well done Bill, I am really very happy to hear that a person named Jesus did exist and did stick up for humanity, Just very unhappy that what he was trying to pass to us all did not survive to its full content, it would of been the most important of works for us all

Warmest regards to you bill

roman

[eaglespirit]

Just a tidbit to add here.
My personal story that pertains to this thread goes back to Bill and Kerry's original forum.

I was communicating indirectly with the author of the Lightbooks.

They pretty much also lay out what Bill has shared regarding Jesus.

In those writings Jesus was said to have been fathered by an Essene(not Joseph or 'from above') and it was cleverly 'hidden' from the Extraterrestrial Manipulators.

Understand that what is spoken of as "mistakes", made by Jesus, below was actually Jesus defying the 'original' plan of the extraterrestrials(Archons?).

These are the only excerpts I can find at the moment that I have on the computer that relate to those writings:

.......

The masters of this planet consider the rest of humanity as inferior because we do not have extra-terrestrial blood in our veins. We are not like them, we are nothing and we deserve nothing.

Around four or five thousand years ago, things were very difficult for the Dragons and they were very unhappy with the half humans in charge of the planet. In order to have a better control of the Earth, they created the Bible, that is to say, the Old Testament to be more precise. The masters knew perfectly well how much time they had in front of themselves. After around 2000 years, it was time to create something really strong to prepare the human race for the next harvest. For this, they needed a perfect half human descendant from the purest dragon bloodline. The best choice, according to their calculations, was Joseph, the future father of Jesus. That is why Jesus’ entire family tree is written down in the Bible. This new Messiah was supposed to be on Earth to create a new wave of power on this planet to prepare the next harvest.





Jesus was exceptional and seemed perfect for the task; but in spite of his family, in spite of his education, he got “a little crazy??? and started saying the opposite of what he was supposed to teach. Some masters started wondering if Jesus was really the right guy, but when they saw all his miracles, they were nevertheless convinced that he was a descendant of the purest dragon bloodline could do the things Jesus did.
In fact, with Jesus they could kill two birds with one stone; the religion of the masters was getting weaker and weaker and Jesus, through his miracles, revived the secret religion a lot. The fact that Jesus went a little crazy in their eyes disturbed the masters of the world a lot of course. To prevent things from getting too bad, the “Concile de NicÈe??? decided in the year 325 to rewrite the Bible, that is to say the New Testament, and censure all the writings that witnessed Jesus’ mistakes???. Like this, the problem was resolved, all the things Jesus had done that were disturbing for the secret dragon religion were taken out and lost forever for us normal mortal humans.

When Jesus was crucified, Maria Magdalena left the country with her two children she had with Jesus. She went to France and one of their children stayed in France. This child had children who had themselves children and very quickly a marriage with the royal line was organized. What we call the “Frankish Kings??? were the direct descendants of Jesus who was himself considered to be a descendant from the purest dragon bloodline. France was thus controlled by the purest family.

[learninglight]

this may be of interest :)

The mystery of Rennes-le-Château


The cisterns of Rennes-le-Château

In part 1, André Douzet speaks about his expedition into the cisterns of Rennes-le-Château, and more on an underground network of tunnels underneath the village. In part 2, the siting of the castle itself is also bizarre. In part 3, there is the presence of a natural fault line underneath the village. Finally, in part 4, we see how Saunière had specific attention to these cisterns when he erected his villa - and might have found important information inside.

The presbytery of Rennes-le-Château

The presbytery of Rennes-le-Château has escaped many's attention. Nevertheless, it would remain the headquarters of Saunière's operations. First, let us delve a little bit into its background. We then start our descent into the underworld, where we find the presence of underground tunnels, explore in the time of Saunière. Finally, we invite everyone to check it out for themselves.

Forgotten secrets of the church of Rennes-le-Château

It is in the church that Saunière is believed to have found his wealth. But where? First, there is the baluster, with a secret compartment in which he apparently found some documents. Then, we look at the enigmatic Visigothic pillar, with another secret compartment. Next up is the main altar and the Knight's Stone, which completes our survey of the "mystery elements" around which the story of the priest's fortune is based. In the final part, we review the various elements of the puzzle, add a further piece, and see where they all ended up.

A secret part in the church of Rennes-le-Château

Inside the church of Rennes-le-Château, there are two parts that visitors seldom get to see... Quite often, they fail to notice they exist!

A church entrance

The church entrance is an often overlooked part of the building. And in the case of Rennes-le-Château, it is no exception to this rule. And though we might think we know everything about it... do we really? For example, do we know where the stone slabs used for it come from?

The Wayside altar

Next to the cemetery entrance is a small, delapidated building, which seems without any intrigue whatsoever. Nevertheless, appearances can be deceiving... and in the case of the "wayside altar", as the structure is called, it could be one of the key sites in the enigma of the village.

Altar secrets

The old altar of Rennes-le-Château gave the mystery its Visigothic pillar. But what is the true importance of the legends... and how do they compare to the truth?

Strange stones

The viewing room is not the only site with strange markings on it. The same applies to the church and presbytery of Rennes-le-Chateau and lots more plus

and lots more plus

Saunière’s Rise to Fame

Revisiting the early years of the life of Saunière, a quick overview of his first years in the village makes it clear that the mystery of his wealth began earlier than most popular accounts have stated so far.

Saunière’s trial

One of the most controversial topics in the story of the priest, is his trial. Both sceptics and believers have a warped understanding of the true accusations and requests had to subject himself to, as well as his stubborn behaviour to make sure he would make the life of his superiors as difficult as possible. But why?

Million dollar priest

In the final years of his life, Saunière apparently was about to get his hands on an enormous fortune. What could a semi-invalid do that would warrant the equivalent of 120 million dollars?

“John 23” and the enigma of Bérenger Saunière

The alleged last words of Saunière, "John twenty-three", are for the first time ever subjected to a detailed analysis... leading towards results that may challenge more than just the enigma of the village priest itself.

Bérenger Saunière in Lyon

One area of research that has been uncovered by the Société Perillos is evidence of Saunière's presence in Lyon. In the first part, we look at the evidence that backs up his presence there. In the second part, we explore his motives for lodging where he did. In the third part, we look towards his visit into the nearby Pilat region.

Link
http://www.perillos.com/rlch.html

sharon

[LahTera]

Titanium:

I heard our new Pope said we shouldn't judge gays. He also mentioned allowing women more prominent roles, or something to that effect. That's a step in the right direction. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up moving toward allowing priests to marry. I would hope this would help! I get pretty sick and tired of hearing these horrible stories. (No offense to you, of course -- priests should know better!)

[Prodigal Son]

I knew nothing of possible reincarnation of Enoch as Jesus, or even who Enoch was. I had to check in the bible afterward to learn about Enoch.

Thought this would interest you...

Gnostic Kabbalah refers to Jesus as a Bodishattva who had many incarnations. Edgar Cayce said the same:

Edgar Cayce on the Reincarnations of Jesus
Christ as the Crowning Glory of Ancient Mysticism

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

[Praxis]

Thank you Bill for the summary. Clearly Judas was not the betrayor that Jesus mentions during the last supper because he just played his part in the story not change the message like you said. Which of the apostles were a part of the conspiracy to change that message in your opinion(not that they are even calling the shots on the operations but at the very least being the vessel to carry out the betrayal)?

There is a very interesting book on this subject called The Master Game by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval that I highly recommend. http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Master_Game.html?id=ZmIQ3Qws86cC


Edit* I had a thought the other day about the fall out of the garden of Eden. I think it is a more a metaphor for thinking falsely, or in terms of good and evil. The "sin"(which I dont believe exists) was not knowing, because a loving God would never want you to remain in ignorance, about good and evil but rather starting to conceptualize the world in terms of good and evil. By doing so we could not stay in Eden, which I think is a state of being and not so much a physical place. Jesus came back to give us the template again to return to this Kingdom within. His removal of "original sin" is actually taking away the lense of good and evil and returning to the isness.

2nd Edit
Reading through the Gospel of Thomas is interesting(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.

[Prodigal Son]

I often have conversations with folks on Facebook about how the Nicean Council (twice) decided which books were to go into the Bible and which were not.

Madame Blavatsky has this twist on it:

MAGIC IN THE CHURCH

http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/christianity/MagicInTheChurch.html


We must not forget that the Christian Church owes its present canonical Gospels, and hence its whole religious dogmatism, to the Sortes Sanctorum. Unable to agree as to which were the most divinely-inspired of the numerous gospels extant in its time, the mysterious Council of Nicea concluded to leave the decision of the puzzling question to miraculous intervention. This Nicean Council may well be called mysterious. There was a mystery, first, in the mystical number of its 318 bishops, on which Barnabas (viii, 11, 12, 13) lays such a stress; added to this, there is no agreement among ancient writers as to the time and place of its assembly, nor even as to the bishop who presided. Notwithstanding the grandiloquent eulogium of Constantine, Sabinus, the Bishop of Heraclea, affirms that "except Constantine, the emperor, and Eusebius Pamphilus, these bishops were a set of illiterate, simple creatures, that understood nothing;" which is equivalent to saying that they were a set of fools. Such was apparently the opinion entertained of them by Pappus, who tells us of the bit of magic resorted to to decide which were the true gospels. In his Synodicon to that Council Pappus says, having "promiscuously put all the books that were referred to the Council for determination under a communion-table in a church, they (the bishops) besought the Lord that the inspired writings might get upon the table, while the spurious ones remained underneath, and it happened accordingly." But we are not told who kept the keys of the council chamber over night!

[Cristian]

Truth is…. I am scared .

I am scared to approach this subject.

David Icke once said he was Jesus. To most people that was a forgivable delusion of a brilliant mind. That was back in the times he was very confused about a lot of things.

But you know what? I’m sure he was spot on . It was however way too soon for us to understand.
To understand that we are Jesus. We are a bit confused, we ‘ve got I-phones and I-pads but when we look down deep into our souls there is nothing but kindness and compassion.

I’ve seen a lot of ugly and demonic dudes in this life but I was never so scared as I was when I saw who I really am. I keep making up excuses since then…like I drink too much beer , I look at women’s butts …but deep down inside I am so scared to admit what I can be…

You re confusing me , I am not that person, I’m just an average guy.
But then again so was Jesus - an average guy - until he let go of all the silly games and embraced his brilliance like someone likes to say. :P

And about the topic “ Was Jesus real or not” . Is that kind of topic where science and history MUST meet spirituality.

I so dislike religion and all established churches .
If I want to talk with God , I go into a forest, I head for the mountains or I get outside when it rains.
I think it’s important to understand the Jesus rebellion and what was that really about.
What we are all really about.

[onawah]

I've read a lot on this subject, and I think the work of Sir Laurence Gardner was the one that connected all the right dots for me, so far, at least...
Though he glorified the Annunaki too much, imho, and placed too much importance on the role of the bloodlines.
(The soul determines what bloodline it will incarnate into in each lifetime, the bloodlines do not determine what souls will incarnate into it.
There have been many great humans who were not of the Annunaki bloodlines, and many of the Annunaki bloodlines who were not great humans.)
What counts more is the journey of each individual soul, and how much each soul exercises their free will.

I give lots of credit to Gardner, who was born into an Illuminati bloodline and though he was much influenced by them, yet became a whistleblower of sorts and an historian of great value.

There has been so much disinfo about Jesus and Magdalene and our human heritage (and I would include Urantia in that), and I think it really is very important that we get that story and the story of Genesis all sorted out.
What seems to me to still be missing in large part is information about the role that evolved ET civilizations other than the Annunkai have played throughout the ages in altering our DNA and incarnating into our existing bloodlines in order to upgrade our intelligence and self-awareness, and protect humankind from those who would victimize.
I've wondered if that is because their adherence to the 'Prime Directive' prevents them from intervening too much, and so the way they have done it mostly is by individual self-sacrifice (through incarnating into human bodies and taking on the burden of the veil of forgetfulness that we all must endure), and not so much by an off-planet, organized group effort such as the Annunaki initiated.
But no doubt it is largely because the victimizers went to such great pains to erase any and all records of benevolent ETs efforts to correct the course that the victimizers have charted for humanity thus far.
Hopefully, they are losing their grip and that is all about to change, BIG TIME!! :nod:
Thanks to Bill for this thread.

[skippy]

Reach out and touch faith .. cNd4eocq2K0

[Lifebringer]

Really? I understand it's a little more technical in language and is meant for the understanding of Heaven, the Universes of Universes, Hierarchy of Heaven and all the hosts and associates and melchezedek priest that dwell on the world and watch. Also the correct teaching and understanding of what he was trying to get across to the apostles at that time, that were unable to envision just what he was telling them at times, due to the understanding of man's mind at that time.

I found it very intriguing and kept an open mind that perhaps the King of England, didn't want this in the book, if he was to rule the people, as well as the Roman Pope.

How far did you get, if I might ask? I took me six months. I read the whole before casting judgement/kept open mind, on the more technical understanding. Did you not understand the emotional strife bought on by certain behavioral maladjustments?

[Lifebringer]

Paul changed the gospels for Rome.

[Agape]

I have had couple of visions of 'Jesus' , in colours, as spiritual seeker ..

later times and when i meditated in Bodhgaya especially,

I had that wish and inkling to SEE ..who was really the historical Buddha ..and who was the historical Jesus ,

after ALL i have seen ..about the true origins of mankind ..i believe i had eyes to see .

I know what i say , no matter what it may sound like a heresay

but i shared my ideas with couple of real time friends and it actually , does not sound too strange.


What i've seen was Jesus the madman who was totally in love with God , lost in him yet speaking in tounges .

He had dissolved uncombed hair and did not take care of himself very well ..

he threw things to air here and there and talked to God

sometimes, out of sense .

We agreed with friends that Jesus was more like a Hippie, he did not care for organisations, church or families . He was renegade and free man , the Lamb who was sacrificed but people did not forget Him .

So it is said, don't forget your Little Ones ..


So sad , sorry ..it's a sad story




:pray: :behindsofa:

[Bill Ryan]

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My sincere thanks to everyone for their most interesting and intelligent comments. Please continue! And help make this thread one of Avalon's finest. It has that potential.

I got this PM earlier today -- copied here with permission. My reply follows, and I hope it may be useful to some readers. Note that it's only barely scratching the surface of what's available to be read, studied or viewed, because here's a LOT there for serious students of the subject.

I can add more links later, but to offer too much in an initial bibliography or videography would be an overwhelm. What's listed below can be watched in an intensive afternoon or evening (and contains potentially life-changing material if this is one's first exposure to this subject). The books are a longer study, but are very much worth while.

***


I am of the same beliefs as you are about the life and times and messages of Jesus. Mostly, though, it is some kind of "knowing" and not research that has brought me to this point.

I would absolutely love to read about Mary Magdalene, I'm not sure why, but I am not so good at discerning fact from fiction so I get led all over the place.

Would you happen to be able to suggest just one or two books or sources where I could get into some good information? I appreciate it very much!My reply:




Hi, ______

Hard to know where best to start with Mary Magdalene. While I think of what books to reference, here are some videos which I can immediately recommend.

First, here's a very short one (just a few minutes, and you really should see this), a brief interview with the director (Canadian Simcha Jacobovici) of the 2007 Discovery Channel documentary THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKgD8xfLrE

If you'd like to see the documentary itself (90 minutes), I found it fascinating and compelling:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3
Source: http://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3 (https://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3)

There was a good National Geographic documentary about Magdalene, in 5 parts here (I cannot find it in one single movie), but for myself I downloaded all five parts and stitched them together for continuous viewing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb17NbNaUU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ayh_cHlXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p02W2dnob38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-ROc041yA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMrftL05hSo

This is very much in the National Geographic style you'll know (and may or may not get frustrated with), but it contains good information.

I'd also like to recommend a quite excellent BBC documentary (all in one piece!), called THE LOST GOSPELS. This partially addresses the question of who Mary Magdalene actually was, and why she was so smeared by the Roman Church (in early years and thereafter). It's very well done and I strongly recommend it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3fywVlTB98

Finally -- if you'd actually like some reading :) -- here's a very good short article about The Gospel of Mary (one of the Nag Hammadi texts, lost until recently):

http://www.gnosis.org/library/GMary-King-Intro.html

The experiences of Mary in the South of France are harder to nail down from a hardcore historian's perspective. But much is in The Jesus Papers (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Papers-Exposing-Greatest-Cover-Up/dp/B001PO67FM) by Michael Baigent (I do not have an electronic version), and of course Holy Blood, Holy Grail (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Blood-Grail-Michael-Baigent/dp/0440136482). As you may know, Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code was almost entirely based on the earlier (and much more scholarly) Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

There are quite a number of books about Magdalene, the best of which may be Margaret Starbird's The Woman with the Alabaster Jar (http://www.amazon.com/Woman-Alabaster-Jar-Magdalen-Grail/dp/1879181037) and Dr Marjorie Malvern's Venus in Sackcloth. (http://www.amazon.com/Venus-Sackcloth-Magdelens-Origins-Metamorphoses/dp/0809307073) Starbird also wrote another six books on the subject. (Reference in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Starbird) There's a lot there!

I hope this may have been of some help. Please do ask me any questions whatsoever (please do!) -- as this list above only just starts to scrape the surface of what's out there.

Put aside an afternoon or evening to watch the videos one by one (and read Karen King's gnosis.org article and then start following your nose) -- and it may change your life for a while. (Really.)

With my warmest wishes to you, Bill

[northstar]

I have three statues of blessed Mother Mary on my altar. She is one of my constant beloved spiritual guides when I journey in the inner worlds. This thread is music to my ears. The energy signature of this thread is very uplifting, expanding and light filled.

[markpierre]

Paul changed the gospels for Rome.

Jesus didn't teach 'truth' except to a very few initiates. Saul of Tarsus was not one of them. Though he had a personal illumination in an experience with Jesus through a vision. He taught his own experience which was one of grace, but also incomplete.
He was the right man for the job, or it wouldn't have been given to him. Those experiences for all of us are not an end. There are no mistakes. They are all part of a process of separate minds learning of their own divinity, not excluding our individual 'dark nights', nor even our 'dark ages'.
Don't exclude Rome and its part in the full 'Passion' of your own awakening. There was appointed a time. It couldn't happen any sooner. Not because of Rome, that all came later, and all the powers that deny you, but because of your own denial of yourself. It can be viewed collectively, but it's experienced in you.

Paul's 'letters to the churches' were inspired. They address all of us in our various stages of activation. The battles between Paul and the principle disciples are legendary, but none of them were fully awake when they began that work.
Just earnest and inspired men engaged in a mission. Some of them are among us now, doing what we are. Fulfilling that mission.

Jesus taught adjustments in the interpretation of law and personal responsibility that had been perverted. Paul taught his own beliefs. He misidentified Jesus in the same way that Jesus would say that Paul misidentified himself i.e. that Jesus is God, Paul and humanity are something unworthy. That suited the controllers perfectly. It's not what we are or aren't, it's how we think and behave that makes the difference in ourselves, hence in our 'collective'.

'Law' is simply 'as it is', in contrast to 'as it is not'. God's law is universal law. Nothing that contradicts it has anything to do with Reality.

Jesus exemplified 'truth' and introduced method to become that individually. There are no individuals that can be self dependent, and no intermediaries that can represent God to another. Those methods and discipline were what was required for that moment in time. A different way of viewing themselves and their relationship to God, and responsibility to those around them through metaphor and parable. The most effective way to reach people in the condition they were in.

The differences were reasonable because truth and God are reasonable, and didn't contradict Jewish doctrine, simply reintroducing the idea of a benevolent Father (as in Eden) and self responsibility in place of a demanding and vengeful authoritative God, which is purely an archonic invention, Adherence to arbitrary laws without understanding, an effect of dualistic thinking. Not exclusive to Earth. The fruit of the tree of 'discernment' which booted us out of our childlike state, as mentioned in post 35 by 9ofClubs. Beautiful post.

Jesus' teaching was closely aligned with Zoroastrian and then contemporary Greek thought. 'A Course in Miracles' is a reintroduction of Jesus' teachings, by that same mind, in a time where the general frequency of human consciousness is high enough to embody it if employed. It's not the only method, but one that can be directly associated with Jesus the person and his teaching.
'Embodiment' of it is the point. It devolved from 'being' and direct experience of God, into ideas and beliefs which are the antithesis of 'being'. In fact, this discussion exemplifies the latter.

[gripreaper]

I have been a student as well as a participant in the life and times of Yeshua (Jesus prefers we call him by his name Yeshua) and Magdalene, so I have much to say on this subject, once I can compile a post deep from the heart.

Yet, just to add here: Two researchers who have gone to Tibet and looked at the ancient scrolls, those which have survived all time, are Tom Kenyon and Gregg Braden. I recommend a couple books also, one by Tom Kenyon called "The Magdeline Manuscripts", and I don't remember which writings of Braden I read years ago where he speaks of his sojourn to Tibet. Some other great works, for those who want to understand what was taught by the Essenes is "The Hathor Material" and, last but not least....

The best, most encoded, emotional and gut wrenching story of Yeshua and Magdalene was written by Claire Heartsong called "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" for those who were alive and present during the time Yeshua and Magdalene walked the planet, (which I was) this will resonate with you.

That's all for now.

[Jeffrey]

Just want to lay out some ideas here, in this space.

The first Human Beings. A wonder, full of wonder, wonderful. A beautiful being full of creativity and innocence. Curious, playful, powerful.

Consider that conscious, sentient beings can exist without a physicality as we know it. Therefore, the aforementioned state of character and construct is describing a humanity that existed before these fleshy suits became the norm. It's describing a more ethereal reality of characters and forms. Check out what H.P. Blavatsky has to say regarding astral prototypes:




This will be pooh-poohed, because it will not be understood by our modern men of science; but every occultist and theosophist will easily realize the process. There can be no objective form on Earth (nor in the Universe either), without its astral prototype being first formed in Space.

Now, Mirra Alfassa has another description of a human prototype that she reported seeing in the borderlands between the ether and the earth:




There I was, wanting to pass over to the other side, when – in a quite unexpected and astounding way – I found myself in the presence of the ‘principle,’ a principle of the human form. It didn't resemble man as we are used to seeing him, but it was an upright form, standing just on the border between the world of forms and the Formless, like a kind of standard. At that time nobody had ever spoken to me about it and Madame Theon had never seen it – no one had ever seen or said anything. But I felt I was on the verge of discovering a secret.

[...]

And all those who have had a direct contact with the past, had the memory of a kind of human prototype -- far superior to the present humanity -- who came on earth as an example and a promise of what humanity will be like when it reaches its acme.

Sri Aurobindo and The Mother (Alfassa) had thought that this was the prototype for what humanity was destined to become. It's also possible that this is what we once were, and the goal is to get back.

Notice that The Mother noted that this human form, or astral prototype, was standing there as a principle. Just standing there. It makes me think that it's dormant -- in a state of suspended animation. It's performing it's most basic function, but no more. Similar to when a person is in a coma. Their heart is beating, their blood is flowing, and they have some degree of brain activity -- yet they are dormant. All of the bodies basic functions and vital processes are in working order, but the consciousness seems to be somewhere else. Maybe it's the same with the standard that The Mother viewed while in the borderlands.

Carlos Castaneda has offered a similar account of an astral prototype (and indirectly Don Juan).




He [Don Juan] gave me a detailed explanation of what the mold of man was. He did not talk about it in terms of the Eagle's emanations, but in terms of a pattern of energy that serves to stamp the qualities of humanness on an amorphous blob of biological matter.

[...]

He also said that every species has a mold of its own, and every individual of every species molded by the process shows characteristics particular to its own kind.

[...]

As I gazed into the light with all the passion I was capable of, the light seemed to condense and I saw a man. A shiny man that exuded charisma, love, understanding, sincerity, truth. A man that was the sum total of all that is good.

[...]

The mold of man is exactly what its name tells us it is, a pattern, a form, a cast that groups together a particular bunch of fiber-like elements, which we call man.

Castaneda goes on to say that the mold of man is not God, but a static prototype for the biological organisms known as humans. Again, I'm looking back at what Alfassa and Blavatsky said and I'm thinking -- true form, suspended, dormant, incapacitated, neutralized, comatose.

Then I turn to the Nag Hammadi. Here's where things start to come together for me, and get really exciting. The Gnostic codices also describe what could be likened to Blavatsky's astral prototype, Alfassa's principle of the human form, and Castaneda's mold of man. The following excerpts are from On the Origin of the World and The Apocryphon of John respectively.




And immediately, behold! Light came out of the eighth heaven above and passed through all of the heavens of the earth [...] As that light appeared, a human likeness appeared within it, very wonderful [...] Since that day, that emissary has been called "Adam of Light," whose rendering is "the luminous man of blood,"

It named the true perfect Human, the primal revelation, Adam. {From the first Understanding and the perfect Mind through the gift and the approval of the great invisible Spirit in the presence of Autogenes, the perfect, true, holy Human, the first who appeared—he was called Adamas.}

According to the Nag Hammadi, this human form appeared to the archontic forces prior to them making their own forms of humans. They used this first encounter with the human likeness as kind of template in order to create their own version of a human being. This is us according to the Gnostics.

There are also many allegorical trees depicted in the Nag Hammadi. Here are a few posts from another thread attempting to piece this together.




From, On the Origin of the World:




After that Eros, the grapevine sprouted up out of that blood, which had been shed over the earth. Because of this, those who drink of it conceive the desire of sexual union. After the grapevine, a fig tree and a pomegranate tree sprouted up from the earth, together with the rest of the trees, all species, having with them their seed from the seed of the authorities and their angels.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

[...]

Now, the "grapevine sprouted out of that blood." One of the first systems to develop in the human embryo is the nervous system. The grapevine could be a metaphor for the peripheral nervous system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_nervous_system).

The vines are the nerves. The grapes could possibly represent the cell bodies of the nerve fibers.

On the other hand, the grapevine could represent the lymphatic system. The vines are the lymphatic vessels and the grapes are the lymph nodes. This metaphor may be more appropriate.

Then, after the grapevine, a fig tree and a pomegranate tree sprouted up.

The fig tree represents the circulatory system. The branches are the blood vessels that meander throughout the body, and the fig itself is symbolic of the heart.

http://up.graaam.com/uploads/imag-6/upload0e97068e10.jpghttp://www.sagretoscane.com/_data/upload/image/fico.jpg

Now, the pomegranate tree represents the lungs -- the respiratory tree. The lungs branch out into bronchi and bronchioles. The fruit of the lungs are the alveoli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_alveolus) (sacs). These resemble pomegranates.

http://www.freewebs.com/soaring_sphincter_travel_agency/Alveolar%20sac.gifhttp://blog.thefruitcompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/pomegranate-470-300x300.jpg

The rest of the "species of trees" is a metaphor alluding to the rest of the body's biological systems.

[...]

Continuing from, On the Origin of the World:




Then Justice created Paradise, being beautiful and being outside the orbit of the moon and the orbit of the sun in the Land of Wantonness, in the East in the midst of the stones. And desire is in the midst of the beautiful, appetizing trees. And the tree of eternal life is as it appeared by God's will, to the north of Paradise, so that it might make eternal the souls of the pure, who shall come forth from the modelled forms of poverty at the consummation of the age. Now the color of the tree of life is like the sun. And its branches are beautiful. Its leaves are like those of the cypress. Its fruit is like a bunch of grapes when it is white. Its height goes as far as heaven. And next to it (is) the tree of knowledge (gnosis), having the strength of God. Its glory is like the moon when fully radiant. And its branches are beautiful. Its leaves are like fig leaves. Its fruit is like a good appetizing date. And this tree is to the north of Paradise, so that it might arouse the souls from the torpor of the demons, in order that they might approach the tree of life and eat of its fruit, and so condemn the authorities and their angels. The effect of this tree is described in the Sacred Book, to wit: "It is you who are the tree of knowledge, which is in Paradise, from which the first man ate and which opened his mind; and he loved his female counterpart and condemned the other, alien likenesses and loathed them."

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

The Tree of eternal Life represents the higher functioning brain. Paradise is in the brain (but I think it may be the lower functioning brain) and the morphogenetic construct of the mind.

The neurons of the brain branch out like a tree and like the veins of a leaf.




A typical neuron possesses a cell body (often called the soma), dendrites, and an axon. Dendrites are thin structures that arise from the cell body, often extending for hundreds of micrometres and branching multiple times, giving rise to a complex "dendritic tree".

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

The branches of the Tree of Life represent the scaffolding of the neocortex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocortex) (which is latin for "new bark"). The neocortex is dominated by "neuronal cell bodies and unmyelinated fibers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocortex#Anatomy) while the archontic tree of life ends with the axonal projections of the thalamus and the corpus callosum. The dendritic trees of neuronal cell bodies (http://healinghaven.typepad.com/photos/fillmores_12_power/dendritic-tree.html) in the neocortex are analogous to cyprus leaves (referencing the Tree of eternal Life). The images shown below are the neuronal dendrites and cypress leaves (bottom).

http://healinghaven.typepad.com/photos/fillmores_12_power/dendritic-tree.gif

http://hollistonreporter.com/pix/articles/2012/02/Microbiota_Leaves_.JPG

From, The Apocryphon of John:




And the archons took him and placed him in paradise. And they said to him, 'Eat, that is at leisure,' for their luxury is bitter and their beauty is depraved. And their luxury is deception and their trees are godlessness and their fruit is deadly poison and their promise is death. And the tree of their life they had placed in the midst of paradise.

And I shall teach you (pl.) what is the mystery of their life, which is the plan which they made together, which is the likeness of their spirit. The root of this (tree) is bitter and its branches are death, its shadow is hate and deception is in its leaves, and its blossom is the ointment of evil, and its fruit is death and desire is its seed, and it sprouts in darkness. The dwelling place of those who taste from it is Hades, and the darkness is their place of rest.

Source: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html

This is different from the Tree of (eternal) Life because it is of the counterfeit spirit.

[Side note: to really appreciate the content of this post, I recommend reading post #2348 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=600820&viewfull=1#post600820) and post #2360 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=601981&viewfull=1#post601981).]

The tree being described here could be the equivalent of the subtle body of the demiurge. Which corresponds physically to the reptile-like brain stem and the spinal cord.




Together, these parts—the brain stem, cerebellum, and basal ganglia—are casually referred to as your “lizard brain.”

[...]

The human brain includes many regions that evolved long ago. Our older “lizard brain” parts keep our bodies working and provide basic survival motivations ...

Source: http://www-v1.amnh.org/exhibitions/brain/emotional_lizardbrain.php

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain

So, the head of the demiurge represents the thalamus. The lion's mane and the crown (or the corona of the sun in another depiction) is symbolic of the axonal projections of the thalamus and the corpus callosum. The serpentine body is indicative of the spinal cord.

http://misteriosantigos.50webs.com/regente_chefe_yaldabaoth.jpg

In a diffusion MRI of the lower brain, the nerve fibers of the thalamus and corpus callosum project outwardly. This represents the lion's mane and crown. The axonal projections also represent the branches of the tree top of the archontic tree of life (the top of a tree is known as the crown).

http://neuroanthropology.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/schultz-thalamus-diffusion-tensor.jpg?w=300&h=277

The roots of the tree represent the root of the spinal cord and the coccygeal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx) nerves (in the tailbone).

http://www.ionmedicaldesigns.com/ion_site/images/gallery_images/lumbosacral_plexus_thumb.jpg

Now, the Tree of Knowledge and the archontic tree of life are nearly synonymous with respects to location, but quite the opposite terms of meaning.

[...]




“There is a thinking in primordial images, in symbols which are older than the historical man, which are inborn in him from the earliest times, eternally living, outlasting all generations, still make up the groundwork of the human psyche. It is only possible to live the fullest life when we are in harmony with these symbols; wisdom is a return to them.” – Carl Jung

ADD/UPDATE: It is very possible that the Tree of Knowledge represents the cerebellum.

If anyone is interested in more on this (possible patterns and connections with more pictures), they can be found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53625-The-Psyche-Metaphors-of-Meaning).

There are also explanations in that link that detail why the astral prototype has been rendered dormant (only ideas and possible explanations). We've been rewired and hacked. The archontic intrusion is to us what the lancet fluke is to the ant. Like the lancet fluke is the ego.

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Okay, now there is Jesus Christ and the significance of what he did according to the Gnostics.

Continued in next post ...

[Jeffrey]

I know the kundalini energy exists. I have experienced this energy directly. One thing that has always bothered me is why it wasn't naturally connected. Why is the biological human body born in this world in a disconnected state? It doesn't seem natural. If the kundalini energy is beneficial for us why would it be there and not be connected? From an evolutionary perspective (if that's your cup of tea), it would be akin to organisms being born with brains that weren't connected to the rest of the body. That's just not right.

One of the stated purposes for modern humans, according to the Nag Hammadi, is for us to rectify the deficiency. We are souls of poverty. We carry around the lack with us. It is our responsibility to rectify it. There is a physiological, psychological, and spiritual aspect to this in my opinion (and they are all intertwined).

To purify our bodies and minds is a part of it. Purification by fire. Spiritual fire. Kundalini energy. I'm sure there are others here who know more about the kundalini and maybe they can explain it better.


Here's some more thoughts on rectifying the deficiency. The macrocosmic aspect of Christ is the gyre. The Spiritual and semi-biological aspect of Christ (or the function of Christ) would be the kundalini. Here is a relevant excerpt from the Bible:




And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:14

Here is the Alchemical Cross (or crucified serpent):

http://symboldictionary.net/library/graphics/symbols/serpentcross.jpg




The gruesome symbol of a crucified serpent is an old alchemical drawing representing the “fixing of the volatile,” or, making the elixir of mercury, a legendary curative, by removing the ‘volatile’ or poisonous element. The picture is derived from the biblical story of Moses, who erected a brazen snake as a charm against plague.

Source: http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1363

Notice it represents the "fixing of the volatile" or in other words -- rectifying the deficiency.

http://0.tqn.com/d/altreligion/1/0/k/3/1/salchemy20.jpg

The symbology of this is two fold.

The serpent power rises up and fixes the volatile. By fixing the volatile it purifies the body. The kundalini rises through the central nervous system. The morphological construct of the central nervous system is the archontic tree of life and simultaneously represents the morphological construct of the demiurge (as described in earlier posts). The Tree of Knowledge is also in the same place, but it is overshadowed by the archontic tree of life (knowledge in the shadow of ignorance).

By purifying the archontic tree of life the subtle, morphological deficiency "dies" (i.e. it is rectified/purified/fixed). This is symbolized by the crucified snake -- which represents the twisted, morphogenetic form of the archontic tree of life.

From the Gospel of Philip:




So also with the tree: while its root is hidden, it sprouts and grows. If its root is exposed, the tree dries up. So it is with every birth that is in the world, not only with the revealed but with the hidden. For so long as the root of wickedness is hidden, it is strong. But when it is recognized, it is dissolved. When it is revealed, it perishes. That is why the Word says, "Already the axe is laid at the root of the trees" (Mt 3:10). It will not merely cut - what is cut sprouts again - but the ax penetrates deeply, until it brings up the root. Jesus pulled out the root of the whole place, while others did it only partially. As for ourselves, let each one of us dig down after the root of evil which is within one, and let one pluck it out of one's heart from the root. It will be plucked out if we recognize it. But if we are ignorant of it, it takes root in us and produces its fruit in our heart. It masters us. We are its slaves. It takes us captive, to make us do what we do not want; and what we do want, we do not do. It is powerful because we have not recognized it. While it exists it is active. Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.html

What is left (after the morphogenetic root of the archontic tree of life dries up) is the natural Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of (eternal) Life which the power of the kundalini reaches to meet the eagle (Epinoia). This process would open the chakras, purify the nadis, and restore the body to it's natural, luminous state.

http://www.rainbowliving.co.uk/Pictures/5_Inspiration/caduceus.jpghttp://www.artvex.com/content/Clip_Art/Religion/World_Religions/Christianity/0018897.gifhttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XYgGrn48DEU/ULZb-JLMKXI/AAAAAAAABwA/5UWqXsRasas/s1600/CaduceusCross.jpeg

I'm sure there are other interesting correlations to be made. Maybe this post stirred up some ideas.

There is a lot in that quoted excerpt. The breadth and depth of this whole ordeal is so incredible. I mean, wow. Think about memes, archetypes, and the ego. Now compare those things with the flyers who gave us their mind, the archons (the chief constructed the brain and the nervous system -- yes it's in there), Michael Harners ayahuasca experience, and Jeremy Narby's revelations on DNA and spiritual beings. Puts a very real and almost tangible twist on the matrix, eh? Remember the lancet fluke?

By the way... It seems that Mirra Alfassa (who corroborated and influenced Aurobindo's cosmogony) and Blavatsky were disciples of the same man at one time or another. Max Theon.

I just stumbled upon him and his wife's work, The Cosmic Tradition. It's only available in French, but there is one volume online that was translated to English.

I'm still sifting through it, but it's interesting. The flavor smacks of the Nag Hammadi to me: http://spiritus93.com/

This post was a little rushed but I've been compiling for the last two hours and I'm tired now. I have somewhat of an obsession with this whole topic in particular -- it's very intriguing (as well as how it relates to technology).

I hope this adds the discussion however it fits in.

Thanks,

Vivek

[RunningDeer]

The best, most encoded, emotional and gut wrenching story of Yeshua and Magdalene was written by Claire Heartsong called "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" for those who were alive and present during the time Yeshua and Magdalene walked the planet, (which I was) this will resonate with you.

That's all for now.

"Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" touched me deeply. I attribute the full body vibrations (subtle, not outwardly seen) I've been feeling in part because of this book. I didn't mention the book because "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" is received (channeled) by Clair Heartsong.

My burning questions were answered on how was a virgin birth possible? And how did people live for thousands of years? For me, this book is not about religion. It’s about how we are coming to know of our own awakening potentials.

[good point]

Nature, Nature's God. God is real; I believe that God does exist. I believe in the existence of God because I was raised as a Christian and have subsequently averted myself from the exact faith belonging to contemporary Christians, although my belief in God has become as coterminous to those views belonging to believers of God from gnostic and pre-biblical faiths.

What's this?
My belief in God is from the remains of history's account of an undiscovered hemisphere on Earth, and that at one time on Earth, there was no government or laws beyond that of survival. That there was no exploitation or extreme war, and neither was there forcible servitude, monetary controls, or other such doctrines among humanity to inhibit the continuum of space and time human life has from birth until death. Finding later St. Anselm's response to Gaunilo.

I believe that God's nature is spectrally dimensional, as an issue of perception and the following of Jesus, as a savior, i.e. Christ. God's nature belongs in the ideas of fatalism and randomness. That from death and pain, historical evidence of these can be evoked to formulate an empirical truth about God's nature as a-part of the human reality of life.

Meaning that Jesus was divine?
I believe that Jesus lived on Earth as God, until he died. I believe that Jesus was real, even though his body was not recovered, because other historical figures have also died without their remains having been found. The exactitude of the message Jesus begot to humanity with his life is not to be misconstrued as a message of deception to topple other faiths but in fact to encourage universal resolve on Earth for peace and love and not to belong to establishments that astray humanity from virtue and then into sin. Sin, as it exists, is a product of human consumption.

God's nature is in the results of energy as it can be discovered by life and sentience, and human interaction with inanimate matter and the observation of results within the universe, by individual occurrences and as an entirety. God's nature is solitude, God, by existing, is a creator of universes that are made separate from God that cannot be rejoined or united in an existence beyond comprehensible conception, understanding, or actualization.

My belief in God manifests in my life through the inception of ends justifying means. It is also manifested in my physical surroundings and the very composition of social and biological existence. It is manifested in the genealogy of the blood that is mine, and the blood that is shed on Earth. This is true because I believe in the physiology of inheritance. I believe that the mental capacity that God created for humanity is limitless, and that each human has an immortal soul.

What motivation do attitudes have to be decent & Virtuous?
My life is affected by my belief in God every day. For me, as a follower of Christ, I am given strength to continue living as a mortal form of life, without succumbing to profound human evil in which those without reason or empathy, or knowledge, forces the personality into submission.

I am affected by God each day in such a way that I have faith in all of my beliefs. The faith I have in Jesus, God, and my own existence, is to be forever in suffering and in happiness, because the world around me does not merely disappear when I cannot come to my senses or trust others.

I believe in God but I do not believe that God or Jesus intends for any religion or church on the Earth, I believe that it is these institutions that seed evil into the hearth of the domains of the living, and that it is the root of evil that grows on the sufferings of those who have no faith.

The relationship between God and religion is choice, and the illusion of choice. God does not want for anything and God does need humanity to worship God, or Jesus. For God, religion is the purpose of Christ existing on Earth and the reason why humanity needed saving. God relates to no religion and it is a fallacy for practices to be derived in any way that leaves the finite life of humanity on Earth to cease life and exist for the dying off of its kind in fear or hope of something else, as in heaven or hell, or as in praise and adoration of any single human.

A belief can be true or false.

[CD7]

Yup interesting subject! And Many different versions, no doubt...

Well in subjects like these I always think about my telephone tag game with the kiddies (many different ages)---couldn't keep an original sentence in tact for TEN minutes

(for any unknown to this game---a sentence gets whispered to the person next to them and so on and so on around a circle until WALah! A completely Different version of the original sentence pops out in TEN minutes.)

SO could we just imagine a story going through thousands of years through human communication? LOL!!!!! I could, and im sure the original is Nothing of what we think! BUT somehow TRUTH is there/here...and if u listen very hard, it resonates inbetween the telephone tag diorama of fluff

[sigma6]

Hi Bill,

That is one of the best posts I have read from you in some time Bill, thanks. It is strange but I almost went into the priesthood myself when I was young, what a mistake that would have been, I fully support everything you have summarised and I see that the Vatican has came under fire yet again after a documentary last night highlighted the abuse of children in the Scottish highlands by Catholic Monks this time ;
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037p6h2.
Police have confirmed they are investigating claims of sexual and physical abuse by monks at a former Catholic boarding school in the Highlands.

Alleged victims who attended Fort Augustus Abbey school told a BBC Scotland investigation that they were molested and beaten by monks over a period of three decades from the 1950s.

It has also been claimed that abuse was carried out at Carlekemp, its feeder school in East Lothian.

Both schools are no longer open.

A police statement said: "Police Scotland Highland and Islands division are investigating historic reports of allegations of abuse from former pupils at the Fort Augustus Abbey school.

"This is a live inquiry and therefore it would inappropriate to provide further comment at present."

The Lothians and Scottish Borders division said its officers would help the inquiry if evidence suggests that criminal activity occurred at Carlekemp.

Five men claimed on the Sins Of Our Fathers documentary, screened on Monday night, that they were raped or sexually abused by Father Aidan Duggan, an Australian monk who taught at Carlekemp and Fort Augustus between 1953 and 1974.

Fr Duggan died in 2004 but some abuse claims relate to men who are still alive.

Donald Macleod, who attended Fort Augustus from 1961, said he was raped by Fr Duggan when he was 14 but was not believed.

"I was called into the headmaster's office and he said that he'd heard that I'd been telling my parents about Fr Aidan and that I shouldn't tell these lies and that it's a mortal sin to lie about things like that," he told the programme.

The investigation also uncovered allegations that Fort Augustus, a Benedictine abbey, was used as a "dumping ground" for problem clergy who confessed to abusing children.

Dom Richard Yeo, abbot president of the English Benedictine Congregation, which unites autonomous Roman Catholic Benedictine communities of monks and nuns, told the programme: "I'm very sorry about any abuse that may have been committed at Fort Augustus."

Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme, Father John Robinson, the patron of a charity for abuse survivors, said the apology does not go far enough.

"There are all sorts of good words spoken, like 'sorry', and I appreciate that. But there is no programme of care for the victims," he said.

"The Church keeps falling back on the safeguarding policy. What we are dealing with is the utter failure of safeguarding."
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I wonder when it will stop, these cases are going back many years, so why are priests not allowed to marry or for that matter monks, for if they did surely this child abuse would never happen.
I have read that the reason that the Vatican stopped Priest from marrying is because it was having to pay inheritance from its funds to family members and re housing spouses, I am not sure if this is the case but it would not surprise me , in the early days of Christianity all priest bishops and cardinals would be married men so what stopped it ?
In the time of Jesus everyone involved with teaching and educating children had to be married or the were not allowed to teach or preach.


Again Great post Bill, do you know something I love this forum,
many thanks for creating it and bringing so much talent and knowledge and like minded folks together in one place.

Kindest Regards
Joe

Talk about HELL on earth...

[sigma6]

Well done Bill, I am really very happy to hear that a person named Jesus did exist and did stick up for humanity, Just very unhappy that what he was trying to pass to us all did not survive to its full content, it would of been the most important of works for us all

Warmest regards to you bill

roman

I wouldn't be so sure...

[Carmody]

Truth is…. I am scared .

I am scared to approach this subject.

David Icke once said he was Jesus. To most people that was a forgivable delusion of a brilliant mind. That was back in the times he was very confused about a lot of things.

But you know what? I’m sure he was spot on . It was however way too soon for us to understand.
To understand that we are Jesus. We are a bit confused, we ‘ve got I-phones and I-pads but when we look down deep into our souls there is nothing but kindness and compassion.

When the truth comes to us clearly, when a person 'goes clear', as they say.. it is a situation that most of us feel. The Jesus feeling comes, whether we want to deal with it or not.

[Another1]

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.


Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?

I did not find the title of the book, just more to be curious about with my old neighbor. After a couple phone calls today I've learned that as a teen, his daughter got curious of his books and started pestering him until he would show her a few things, but still not discuss. It seems he also told her, "I don't want to know." From what I can tell though, he held back this one and I'm guessing things are shook up in his world now because she is going to visit and push him on the subject. There may be more to come yet once she's had a few days to pester him And I know it wasn't the Urantia book. That one had been loaned to me for a weekend around 1980 by someone who would have really enjoyed discussing it if it hadn't blown my young mind so well.

[araucaria]

Yup interesting subject! And Many different versions, no doubt...

Well in subjects like these I always think about my telephone tag game with the kiddies (many different ages)---couldn't keep an original sentence in tact for TEN minutes

(for any unknown to this game---a sentence gets whispered to the person next to them and so on and so on around a circle until WALah! A completely Different version of the original sentence pops out in TEN minutes.)

SO could we just imagine a story going through thousands of years through human communication? LOL!!!!! I could, and im sure the original is Nothing of what we think! BUT somehow TRUTH is there/here...and if u listen very hard, it resonates inbetween the telephone tag diorama of fluff

Another name for this is Chinese Whispers. But to stick with the telephone analogy, there is a device called a repeater used along long telephone lines to amplify the signal. And there are ways of reducing the noise-to-signal ratio and enhancing poor quality sound. So all is not lost. Recent stripping of the Jesus story of the victim-martyr-saviour component is one way in which the noise abatement has been taking place. And a thread like this and the one it emerged from operate like telephone repeaters.

So all is not lost. Imagine a game of Chinese Whispers where after much giggling the original message actually comes out in the end :)

[SKAWF]

my understanding of what jesus was is quite different.
the bible is a book of matephors... literal symbolism.

jesus is the 'sun' of god.

so we begin at the summer solstice, the sun's rays hit us directly and it is right overhead at the hottest part of the day.
each day after the summer solstice, the suns high point drops by 2 degree's, and it keeps dropping by two degree's every day until....
the winter solstice, where the suns rays catch us more in a glancing blow, than a direct hit.

for three days, the suns high point does not change.

then on the 25th december (technically its the eve before the 25th) the suns high point rises two degree's higher every day until its max, on the summer solstice.

the 'sun' of god is born on christmas day. (that's when the solar years begins)
prior to that though, the sun is in decline, and when it reaches its lowest point... it is (metaphorically speaking) dead.
and it stays dead for three days, after which it is resurrected.

thats how we get jesus dying for three days, then a resurrection.

there's more.

if you begin at the star of the east, and draw a line through the three stars of orions belt (also known as the three kings)
and bring that line down to the horizon, that , will be where the 'sun' of god will be born.
thus we get the three kings following the star of the east to where the son of god will be born.

they change the names of the trinity every age. this age its jesus mary and the holy spirit,
but in babylonian times it was tamus, semiramis, and nimrod. go back even further into ancient egypt and it was osiris, isis, and horus.
so given that the trinity predates the current doctrine, how Can there have been an actual man called jesus?,
and for that matter, if the keep changing the names every age, how can the current religion actually be the one truth?

we are in the age of pisces atm, which is why there is a lot of fish symbolism knocking about,
there is even a reference in the bible to someone asking christ how long he will be there,
and he said something like, go to a place and look for a man with a pitcher of water (aquarius)

if you look at the last supper by da vinci, notice that the 12 disciples are arranged into 4 groups of three.
with jesus in the middle. the twelve disciples are the twelve signs of the zodiac, arranged into the four seasons of the solar year.

this goes back to ancient egypt. there was no man called jesus. imo.

[marlowe]

The Flavian signature Joseph Atwill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UqG8w7ezUQ

[CdnSirian]

Regarding this topic: Kathleen McGowan's books - http://www.amazon.com/Kathleen-McGowan/e/B001JS3TKA/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1375249161&sr=1-2-ent are about Mary Magdeline's life. Written as novels they are quite the page turners. Yet they are novels so that they could be published. I had read two of them and was quite moved. Then last year when her husband Philip Coppens died of an aggressive fast cancer I was stunned. Their work was intertwined and their union was powerful.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/brilliantessence/2012/03/30/enlightened-travels-with-philip-coppens-and-kathleen-mcgowan - radio show...

" Coming back from a tour abroad, Philip and Kathleen form a power couple whose interests in Ancient History and Current Paranormal phenomena make for a life of love anyone would fantasize on.

Kathleen's personal story on human trafficking and interest in the divine feminine has led her to become a world re-known author of amazing books such as "The Heroine's Journey: A Celebration of the Divine Feminine", "The Expected One", "The Book of Love", and "The Poet Prince".

Philip, whom you've met before on Brilliant Essence (see archived shows) is an investigative journalist and author of all things mysterious, ranging from world politics to crop circles.

Please visit: http://www.kathleenmcgowan.com

and http://www.philipcoppens.com"

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=23168 article about him.

Kathleen McGowan deals extensively with everything Bill discussed about the life of Jesus and the influences at work. I'm grateful for her research as I don't have the time to become a Gnostic scholar or historical researcher myself.

[sigma6]

Great summary Bill, brilliant, scholarly, beautifully laid out. This thing with the Archons makes a lot of sense. I like Weidner, he is a perceptive thinker. It also reminds me ironically of Richard Hoagland's reference to the John Carter of Mars movie. Saying they were panning it because of it's pointed reference to "Archon" like figures. It was getting too close to some hidden truths...

In any event I no longer get caught up in too many technicalities. ie. labeling Jesus as the son of God, or who specifically was an angel or a demon, etc. Since we are dealing with truth mythologized and turned into stories to contain other metaphorical symbolism, massaged and reinterpreted over centuries now.

I still can't help but believe Jesus was gifted with spiritual insight most men will never comprehend or experience their entire lives. He understood love as universal and inseparable from the nature of reality. I believe he was a reincarnation of something, that he was sent here by someone. Bart Ehrman has opened another window, that the bible we know today, the earliest intact version only goes back to 400 AD. And the fact there are millions of different variations demands that any man of reason, must put aside any pretension of having absolute knowledge. And it absolutely makes it a logical impossibility to consider the bible "literally" This view is a dying cause. And could only be propagated and is the most likeliest reason why we have been and are only now just starting to come out of a dark ages.

The threat you speak of... I would say is to institutions. Institutions of men. The very same battle we fight today... the Pyramid (an energy concentration system) vs a world of true freedom and individuality. Of course he was a threat to that. One of the central themes of the early texts, was that it was never the intention of the "Lord God" that man congregate and create cities. They must have understood the sociological implications. The pyramids of power under Archon instructions were it's inevitable outcomes. Man enslaving man, in direct contravention of spiritual law. I think what we see today is actually "upside down" what it was supposed to be ie. the the man at the "top" of the pyramid should be the most self sacrificing, the greatest servant to those "below" him. It was supposed to be a an upside down pyramid (to our way of thinking today) Somehow it got inverted and those at the bottom became enslaved to the smaller group above them (how foolish is that?...) and so on... Satanic? upside down? hmm...

Thus began the war for man's soul. Wow. So many permutations. This post has come at a very good time for me. so much potential grist for the mill. I will be struggling with this for some time. I do feel I need to have "Jesus" and all that he stands for, as my guiding post. Literal or not, is not the point. Not the argument at all. It is much deeper and more spiritual then that. logic, truth, love, universal principle.

The "world" today is punishing us here in the West for our hypocrisy. It's a wake up call. And there is a lot of sh** that is going to need to be cleared out...

I read the New International version during 3 months in solitary. I think that was meant to be. I was never going to get around to it. And there would be no way on the outside to focus my mind for that long to get the job done. I literally had to lock myself in (lol). But I can now say this. The real story of the bible isn't what is being taught in the Churches. All those little sound bites, taken out of context. We are STILL being mislead by the institutions. There is a real principle there. Want to put something out of reach for 95% of the population while placing it in plain site? Then make the book on it over 1000 pages. This is a Roman system in and of itself. Lets NOT forget Jesus NEVER wrote ONE book himself.

There is a bigger story being hidden. It CAN in fact be, and should be read cover to cover at least once. It just gives a different perspective and help me overcome mental blocks and questions lingering in my mind. Winston Shrout forced me to look at the book as a whole. The OT and NT. Two Covenants. Two different systems of "Law" That is the bigger story. And how the KJ Authorized Version (who gave him the right?) was designed to create the foundation of a system of laws, commerce and trust. I guess what I am saying is, that apparently then this would indicate the book evolves. There is immutable fundamental truth in it. But it evolves. Like DNA, the fundamental essence of what it is cannot be destroyed, regardless how contaminated it becomes, it will eventually return back to it's essence. (just a theory of mine)

I see the "first attempt" at it's 'manipulation' starting with the Romans, They tried to mold it into "their image" Their image of Rome, an education in Registration, philosophy, a creation of the Roman Empire. A double edged sword. A book of mystery, multiple layers of truth, hidden secrets.

I think we are due for another major shift of perception of truth.
And yet somehow it's power lies in the fact that no matter how each century tries to construe it, and I believe for mostly higher purpose. It manages to mold the perception and reality of the people of each century. Like a recursive equation.

I think we are due for another potential huge "upgrade"
Think of the implications, if we get it right the whole of humanity could be lifted up. According to Bill Dawkins, author of Power vs Force. We are at the threshold, if we can just raise our level past 200 (based on a scale from 0 to 1000) Jesus was at 900 or something like that, Godhood must be 1000 I guess) But THAT could be the singularity that could shift everything. That could be what is really happening. What is really going down.

Enough rambling for one night... looking forward to more great inputs...

[ThresholdRising]

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.

Love percieved everything undividedly through unified perception?

[Another1]

The concept of Jesus surviving and going off to start a family elsewhere was not unbelievable to me. I know His whole story was doctored up well in the programming that became standard after they created the bible.


I find it significant that once again, a story is altered to obscure the power of a man and woman walking together.


The book I referred to early in this thread asserted that His literal bloodline had been preserved with every bit as much care as we know the elites still do today. They implied a literal heir will rise some day and be King.


My layman's feeling was/is that our connection is not bound by the blood in our veins but by something happening in our heart.


It's like he lived out a template for demonstration purposes: Any one of us can live a life as if you are a child/son/daughter of God, while walking in flesh and bringing as much Heaven to Earth as you can.


Open the door no one can shut = Our heart

Close the door no one can open = Personal Soveriegnty

And like Kimberly shares so well. It can be fun. :)


It can become so real, so life changing, that it easily creates situations where someone like David Icke can innocently refer to himself as Son of God without realizing that the average person won't get it. Watch his body language in that old video. He was not boasting something.


With a gathering of people like those who share here so well, it seems we could almost flip a switch and let people to follow skip the part of studying ancient history. I am grateful to have lived long enough to see a thread like this manifest.

[Jayke]

Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.


As a hypnotherapist, understanding the different systems of psychology the 'enlightened ones' were using has been my passion for pretty much the last 10 years. The Aquarian age is definitely bringing a shift, a second coming, the revealing of the mystery teachings that make people sovereign within themselves. I've actually just published my first eBook on Amazons kindle store that goes into these topics.

If any Avalonians want a free copy, PM me and I'll send you the PDF.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qdHqonV7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-69,22_AA300_SH20_OU02_.jpg (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ancient-Secrets-Mind-ebook/dp/B00E3OV2VU/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375250350&sr=1-1&keywords=ancient+secrets+of+the+mind)

It's only in the last couple hundred years that people have freely begun to start studying the power of the human spirit again (without fear of being burnt at the stake).
In the late 1700's, thanks largely to the work of St Germaine, there was a big push to get these systems of psychological alchemy out into the public consciousness. It's the time when hundreds of secret societies were being established. It was safer to set up lots of small secret societies with only a handful of members than it was to have one big secret society with hundreds of members. Safer for individual members this way as it keeps the wider group of people safeguarded should any one group be compromised or accused of witchcraft.

According to Manly Hall, St Germaine was largely teaching 3 areas of discipline...Essenian Kaballa, Alexandrian Hermeticism and Eastern Alchemy. And it was taught in a 12 stage process to mimic the 12 months of the celestial zodiac, the heroes journey of consciousness. An alchemy process that turns man from base instinctive animal to fully illuminated soul.

The tragic side to all this is that many of these secret societies became infiltrated by members of the Bavarian Illuminati, which was also becoming increasingly prevalent at that time.

When you read the book The Illuminati Formula Used to Create An Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave (http://www.emhdf.com/Monarch-mind-control.pdf) by Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier, It's evident the illuminati discovered St Germaines 12 step alchemy process for soul liberation and have bastardised the process, using it for destructive purposes, crushing peoples spirits instead of freeing them and turning them into soulless mind slaves.

The tide is definitely turning though as more people wake up and realise what's going on, once people understand the mind slave techniques then they'll be able to inoculate themselves against them and start using the alchemy process for liberating the planet once again as it was originally intended. A process which seems to already be under way.

The second coming has arrived and we're all in the midst of its unfoldment, it's going to be a wild ride.

[markpierre]

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.

Love percieved everything undividedly through unified perception?

The essence of every thing you perceive is as vividly a part of you as your own heartbeat. As much a part of you as your own hand.
It's like that.
You can't form pictures from concepts anymore, because all historical data is lost. It was completely untrue. You were never separate. Your mind stopped analyzing what you saw, and began to experience it.
You regurgitated the apple. You trusted God enough to be able to experience it again.
There have never been separate 'things'. God would obviously seem missing amongst separate things. Things remain separate though judgement.
Then suddenly God's there. God's as much of you, as you are of God. There's no concept of it possible. It has to 'happen'.

And then you tend to see things differently. Hey, that's what Jesus told me.
When you were a baby, you couldn't tell 'you' from your mother. That's as it should be.

That's not off-topic. Last time I saw Jesus was in my loungeroom just a few years ago. If you want hard data on Jesus, you'll have to make yourself available to encounter it directly. Otherwise you'll have to rely on hearsay.

[johnf]

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.

Love perceived everything undividedly through unified perception?

That is the way I read the first part, well when I first read that quote, I rexperienced
an earlier experience of unity consciousness.
The rest about fashioning things in place of them selves sounds like the principles of duplication as found in the Hubbard material.
It is also similar to the unfindable inquiry process that Scott Kiloby teaches folks.
That is especially focused on dissolving things that are holding in beliefs of being a separate self.
This type of thing is found in the apocrypha , of the catholic bible.
Focusing on the stories of great teachers seem to be what most common forms of religion are about, but there are allways examples around from all schools of spiritual thought that have found practices that help return them to their real, internal selves.

jf

[Kor]

His story can be the most significant and pertinent or frowned upon one. There are many researches and would be scholars, yet rarely anyone among them can go beyond it's human self. Always there is either a personal or deliberate filter of distorted human mind present and so the story and practices are also distorted.

The meaning is rarely literal and wording used is that of an era it was written in. A tremendous task, describing raison d'etre, using "primitive linguistics".


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(like the Gospel of Thomas (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm), which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy

It is soothing to see Thomas being mentioned. The Bible of today is much too much adjusted. It always was. The so called KJV (king James version) is the "reliable" Bible source.

Yet what can be found in the Gospel of Thomas is precious to the mind, if mind can see and if the body can follow. If human can step out of it's little cocoon of social norms and artificial moral standards - the human hypocrisy.

Jesus died once due to it, due to the human mind. He did not fit into the society, such as it was back then. Sadly, He very likely would not fit into it today either. Humans think they know better. They could not have been more wrong.

He was hated and killed by those who proclaimed themselves to know better and have righteous ways.

"i am you, you are him and he is me"

[Atlas]

Mary Magdalene came forward and said: "My Lord, how many years of the years of the world is a year of the Light?"

Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "A day of the Light is a thousand years in the world, so that thirty-six-myriads of years and a half-myriad of years of the world are a single year of the Light. (Pistis Sophia, c.99)

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Mary […] said unto Jesus: "My Lord and Saviour, of what manner then are the four-and-twenty invisibles and of what type, or rather of what quality are they, or of what quality is then their light?"

And Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "[…] The four-and-twenty invisibles shine ten-thousand times more than the light of the sun which is in this world […]But the light of the sun in its shape in truth, which is in the region of the Virgin of Light, shineth ten-thousand times more than the four-and-twenty invisibles […]" (Pistis Sophia, c.83/84)

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Mary Magdalene came forward again, continued and said unto Jesus: "My Lord, in what type will be those who have received the mystery of the Light, in the midst of the last Helper?"

And Jesus answered and said unto Mary in the midst of the disciples: "They who have received the mystery of the Light, if they come out of the body of the matter of the rulers, then will every one be in his order according to the mystery which he hath received. Those who have received the higher mysteries, will abide in the higher order; those who have received the lower mysteries will be in the lower orders. In a word, up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there will he abide in his order in the Inheritance of the Light. For which cause I have said unto you aforetime: 'Where your heart is, there will your treasure be,'--that is up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there shall he be." (Pistis Sophia, c.90)

[deridan]

its true that a common world appraisal rises from snippets (..sigma6), that the reading of the whole leads to a better image. Books left out ... enoch, fitting into the OT, and many NT books. Its hard to find direct thought from the Masters mouth, even in the Nag Hammadi library, the juicy bits seem expunged, like in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, the first 3 Chapters are missing, as-well as from Chapter 6-7, with the last part of Cp5 showing what gets expunged ...5v11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is [...]
(pages 11 - 14 are missing from the manuscript)

..during the time the family escaped to Egypt, it seems reasonable that Yeshua studied at an Essenian conclave. From the time of his minority to 20's, from the DC books on the Essenes, that he was at the Quram place with John for a time of intense study under several masters (the church seems to drive at peoples need for 'salvation', wrongly calling its scrappy teachings as that of the west, and calling eastern contents heretical, ..infact, now I see no line bt the two), the person DC regressed was a teacher of the law, and then there were several specialists, including those in charkr-ic meditation. In his home further north, Y would have had access to those of the Nasoraen gnostic tradition {regarding inthemselves those of the Pharasic Law teachings as slim}, in collaboration with skeleton elements of the Essenian way.... the essenians themselves as preservators of atleantean-way.

He didn't have to die for sinners. the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail book seems to emphasize his crucifixion as staged, its quite shrewd to use a zealot disciple to call in the chips, and escape in the confusion. The HB&theHG says it has document proof of a King Jesus in Egypt. It would have been quite in keeping with his aims to have gone east to Kashmir, of-course too, the Quram facility dissolved, hid away texts and probably went to the four corners of the wind to preserve teachings in the pots it would best grow in (those where there is continuous practice and research into those topics)

...that's my own storified belief, minus the scrupulous research into timelines to see when and if this was possible. The great profit of such a tread is finding book-titles that can be read from those who spent sweat
...those who put him in Egypt [?/would] see him as a founder in Hermetic tradition. Either case, very shrewd,, one has an outward tradition promulgated by Peter and Paul, readying those for an inner tradition,,,that may be part of the convergence of our times
(..I'd like to know where monks come from. Paul regards it as forced by expectation, in opposition to the true human being, citing OT-Law scripture, that the Ox who grinds the wheel, should have corn strewn across his path. Certainly people learn better in a conclave, but is it necessary to amputate the limb of hope to a vow of chastity. Why not have teaching in society ABROAD, and have less thieves of the soul {poverty leads to exploitation of the roles}. I can though see where monks in the west come from, but how did they arise in the East, what misunderstanding or image gave rise to this?)

[Wind]

Thought this would interest you...

Gnostic Kabbalah refers to Jesus as a Bodishattva who had many incarnations. Edgar Cayce said the same:

Edgar Cayce on the Reincarnations of Jesus
Christ as the Crowning Glory of Ancient Mysticism

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

This is a really important post in my opinion. It is really amazing to think that "Jesus" was actually the last incarnation of that very special entity. Edgar Cayce undoubtedly got his information from the Akashic Records and all the information of everything that ever has happened is stored there. I don't doubt the validity of the source at all.

"Jesus Christ knew he was God. So wake up and find out eventually who you really are. In our culture, of course, they’ll say you’re crazy and you’re blasphemous, and they’ll either put you in jail or in a nut house (which is pretty much the same thing). However if you wake up in India and tell your friends and relations, ‘My goodness, I’ve just discovered that I’m God,’ they’ll laugh and say, ‘Oh, congratulations, at last you found out."

~ Alan Watts

[Carmody]

Mahatma Gandhi:

“(When asked what he thought of Western civilization): 'I think it would be a good idea.”

[gripreaper]

Very succinct sigma. Very right on for this juncture in our evolution. I concur, we are in for a shift in consciousness, as we are seeing the signs everywhere. Distill everything down to energy and it makes perfect sense.

Oh, and it's the late David Hawkin's who wrote "Power v Force", an excellent read for those who have not read it.

[edit]I'm loving this thread by the way. So many who are participating would calibrate quite high on Dr. Hawkin's energetic scale (if light could actually be measured linearly, of course). It gives me hope that we are waking up and vibrating the collective.

[Mike]

I think Jesus existed. like many here, it's not based on any sort of research, or dogma being forced down my throat, but more of a hunch.

it is easy to pick apart the Jesus story - it's so ridiculous - but as Bill said, that doesn't mean he didn't exist.

I think it's telling that during all my various phases throughout my evolution, whether it be Buddhism, Hinduism, Ufology, Wicca etc..., I've always (and still do sometimes) gone and sat under a Jesus statue at the local church whenever I've had a real problem that needed sorting out. Despite it all, my Catholic roots, and mainly my Jesus connection, has always remained strong.

quick story: like everyone else here, ive adopted and discarded various philosophies, sets of beliefs etc on my way to the person I am today. but I always ( particularly as a younger man) felt vaguely guilty doing it. maybe it was just typical Catholic guilt made manifest - I don't know. but I had a dream one night, a lucid dream, where I was approached by a man I believed to be Jesus, and without saying anything he reassured me that it was perfectly ok for me to explore other religions and faiths and philosophies. it was profoundly emotional. I awoke with tears in my eyes, feeling 50 pounds lighter.

[1 flew over]

Good thread, thank you Bill for starting it. One book that I have found to be very informative is
The Meaning of Mary Magdalene: Discovering the Woman at the heart of Christianity. I have studied with its author and she has an interesting perspective for me. She had mentioned that the relationship between Mary M and Jesus was of the type of intimacy that the feeling or inner meanings of his teachings were better absorbed and internalized in Mary M than the other disciples. She stayed somewhat away from whether or not they were having sex but that they defiantly had a greater connection and therefore understanding. She does not at all believe in the prostitute thing and spends a bit of time disproving that. Her viewpoint is that Mary M was probably a well off Jewish woman who helped Jesus in his travels and preaching both financially and personally. She quotes quite a bit from the Gospel of Thomas and or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and a bit from one of the not included books of Peter concerning Mary M and Jesus’s relationship.
She mentioned, I don’t remember if it was in her book or one of her talks that Mary of Bethany was a nick name that Jesus had given her in informality and that they are one and the same.
A good informative read for those interested in Mary Magdalene, very different from what I was taught in my youth.

Be Well
1 Flew Over

[Tibouchine]

I’ve read many slightly differing stories about the live of Yeshua or Esu. The most plausible and consistent one I've found goes very much with which was said in the OP. Esu survived crucifixion, was healed and went to India, where he married again and had 5 children with his Indian wife. He lived in Kashmir where he died at the age of 105. Esu’s first wife Mary Magdalene left Palastine after the crucifixion together with their daughter Sa-Ra. They were accompanied by Joseph of Arimathea (the one who offered his grave to Esu). Together, they went to France. Joseph went further north to Ireland and became a highly respected christian teacher there, Mary Magdalene and Sa-Ra remained in France. Currently I don’t remember where I’ve got this version from but I will do a little research and deliver the source subsequently, when found.

Recently I’ve finished reading the Christ letters and that was an interesting experience. It’s channelled material and I know about the critical attitude of Avalonians with channelled messages (and rightly so) but this is a fascinating read to say the least.

The letters were published in 2004. The channeler is not named, the source of the messages is Christ himself. On the first page of the letters Christ explains:

I HAVE COME expressly to rectify the misinterpretations of my Teachings in Palestine because all Church dogma is impeding your spiritual progress as thousands of people are discovering world-wide.
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As you read these Letters, you will realise that they could only have come from the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL SOURCE adapted to limits of present worldly understanding. “

I’ve read the letters. The outlined concepts were not really new to me so it was an easy read. Although I was familiar with most of the subjects he was talking about, the letters deepened my understanding of how creation works and how everything is interconnected very much and I’ve gained quite a few precious insights.

However, the most wondrous thing while reading the Christ letters was, that my consciousness got somehow expanded or hightened. Since I’ve read the letters I feel much more at ease, more inner peace. And I have days full of immense joy without any external reason. It feels just great. Also, when I have a question or a problem, answers just pop up in my mind. And there is still more to that.

I have spoken to other people who have read the Christ letters as well. Some of them had similar experiences. For me, those letters were an incredible valuable gift.

If you like to check the Christ letters out yourself, they are available for free here http://www.christsway.co.za/


Would be interesting to hear about your experiences …

Love, Tibouchine

[Flash]

These letters are to be sold Tibouchine, something wrong there right from the start. Even our non Jesus Bill Ryan leave his forum free and relies on donations (thanks Bill). I do not think that Christ would sell his words, it makes it too restrictive as a message and for its distribution. Imo.

Countless researchers have been trying to distribute their knowledge to help humanity for free, such as free energy people, some mystics, medical people, why would the Christ words be obtain through payment?

[Prodigal Son]

For anyone who would like to examiine the evidence that Jesus and Mary were married and practiced Sexual Magic, Sexual Yoga or o.k.a. Tantra....

Jesus & Mary Magdalene: The Sacred Marriage in Gnosticism

http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/659

What is Sexual Magic?

http://gnosticteachings.org/faqs/sex/1674-what-is-sexual-magic.html

This practice was widespread among many ancient civilizations. It is all laid out in "Sex In History" by Reay Tannahill ...

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-History-Reay-Tannahill/dp/0349104867

Gnostic Kabbalah says that there is no way Jesus attains 100% Awakened Master without Mary....

http://gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/gnostic-jesus/486-jesus-in-egypt.html

Now the covered up history of "Jehovah" in the Jewish Temple was that he had a wife that resided with him in the Most Holy.... Her name was Shekinah. She is the Divine Feminine. "As Above, So Below". Just as you cannot create life on earth without the two sexes, you cannot have a male narcissist god in the sky. There would be no Creation without Sacred Sex. Unfortunately the vast majority of people today practice sex for the soul purpose of animalistic gratification, they do not treat it as something sacred, and this is one of the biggest reasons for human degeneration.

The good news is, the Divine Feminine is returning, so that we can be liberated from the Demiurge.

[Tibouchine]

These letters are to be sold Tibouchine, something wrong there right from the start. Even our non Jesus Bill Ryan leave his forum free and relies on donations (thanks Bill). I do not think that Christ would sell his words, it makes it too restrictive as a message and for its distribution. Imo.

Countless researchers have been trying to distribute their knowledge to help humanity for free, such as free energy people, some mystics, medical people, why would the Christ words be obtain through payment?

Flash, those letters are free, you can download them as pdf http://www.christsway.co.za/dletters.php - no need to pay for. I've read the German translation. All other translations are free as well. Enjoy the read!

[Sophocles]

In this Morton Stith`s lecture on the gnostics, he gives 3 quotations from their gospels (that he says are buddhist in their temper (buddhist «koans»)). These has to be understood intuitively, not rationally, he says:

1. Look to yourself to see if you has yet arisen.

2. You will in your life experience many creations (genesis).

3. Look into yourself and you will find within that which will save you. If you do not look within and discover that which will save you then instead it will destroy you.

Stith talks about how the gnostics were passionate Christians, devoted followers of Christ; and thats all they thought about. And this is why the church had to get rid of them, because they could not be controlled.

They would not subject themselves to any kind of orthodoxy, and they themselves had no orthodoxy what so ever, he says. They were all over the landscape.

Other notes from the lecture:

The buddhist concept «mu» (nothingness charged with somethingness).

Gnosis doesnt mean knowledge, but rather knowing, as in a process.

The Gnostics thinks that there is an understanding (german; verstehen) that one can have about Christ. And also a deeper and more profound understanding (besser verstehen).

Elaine Pagels; the Gospel of John is a Gnostic gospel.

Every civilisation has a concept of what history is, the study of this is called historiography. And every civilisation has a geometrical projection that it imposes on history and devises a pattern with which to view it.

The historical historiography of Christianity (which in its uniqeness is linear in its vision of truth and reality). Quelle.
Homoousian controversy (substance of Christ, orthodox conclusion, Irenaeus, Council of Trent, 1545-63).
We now see the church -if you know the gnostic gospels- in a whole different way. Nag Hammadi, Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gospel of Judas, Thomas etc.
«The Golden Age».
Catholics; pope as authority (1925), protestants; the bible.
The Gnostics were extirpated (latin; exstirpo, to pluck out by the root).

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This is a great thread.
Thank you all.

PS! Here is the users description of the video:

World War II veteran Morton Stith was a US Marine raider in the Pacific. After the war Stith enrolled in a Buddhist monastery in Japan. He later became a professor of Art History. The Gnostic Gospels are a class of writings about the life of Jesus which are associated with the early mystical trend of Gnostic Christianity

[chocolate]

my understanding of what jesus was is quite different.
the bible is a book of matephors... literal symbolism.

jesus is the 'sun' of god.

so we begin at the summer solstice, the sun's rays hit us directly and it is right overhead at the hottest part of the day.
each day after the summer solstice, the suns high point drops by 2 degree's, and it keeps dropping by two degree's every day until....
the winter solstice, where the suns rays catch us more in a glancing blow, than a direct hit.

for three days, the suns high point does not change.

then on the 25th december (technically its the eve before the 25th) the suns high point rises two degree's higher every day until its max, on the summer solstice.

the 'sun' of god is born on christmas day. (that's when the solar years begins)
prior to that though, the sun is in decline, and when it reaches its lowest point... it is (metaphorically speaking) dead.
and it stays dead for three days, after which it is resurrected.

thats how we get jesus dying for three days, then a resurrection.

there's more.

if you begin at the star of the east, and draw a line through the three stars of orions belt (also known as the three kings)
and bring that line down to the horizon, that , will be where the 'sun' of god will be born.
thus we get the three kings following the star of the east to where the son of god will be born.

they change the names of the trinity every age. this age its jesus mary and the holy spirit,
but in babylonian times it was tamus, semiramis, and nimrod. go back even further into ancient egypt and it was osiris, isis, and horus.
so given that the trinity predates the current doctrine, how Can there have been an actual man called jesus?,
and for that matter, if the keep changing the names every age, how can the current religion actually be the one truth?

we are in the age of pisces atm, which is why there is a lot of fish symbolism knocking about,
there is even a reference in the bible to someone asking christ how long he will be there,
and he said something like, go to a place and look for a man with a pitcher of water (aquarius)

if you look at the last supper by da vinci, notice that the 12 disciples are arranged into 4 groups of three.
with jesus in the middle. the twelve disciples are the twelve signs of the zodiac, arranged into the four seasons of the solar year.

this goes back to ancient egypt. there was no man called jesus. imo.

I stand behind those words, too.

For me Jesus, Mary and the rest of the story is a symbolic way of broadcasting a deeper and more complex meaning that unfolds in layers.

And I agree Jesus is a bodhistattva and he (the real-life person) has been married to Mary and has practiced sexual magic. I believed he has practiced this type of magic from the time he has been to Egypt.
I always try to think of the real person and the symbolic figure as different layers of the meaning.

I wanted to do a small remark regarding the idea that we are all Jesus, God etc. We are the POTENTIAL to become bodhisattvas, but until the moment we raise to that level, we are still only the potential.

[araucaria]

There is a little more to the Mary Magdalen story than this smear campaign. It involves the identifying of her too with a mythical figure, namely what Robert Graves calls the Triple Goddess or the White Goddess, and which the poet Ted Hughes applies to a sizeable chunk of Shakespeare in Shakespeare and the Goddess of Complete Being. This is a lengthy explanation whose thesis is that Shakespeare was using the theatre as a ploy to expose his Catholic views at a time when Puritanism was persecuting Catholics. Simplifying outrageously, the eternal feminine (the Goddess of Complete Being), he says, was the major battleground at this time, espoused by Catholicism and rejected by Puritanism. She comprises at once the mother figure, the pure bride and the whore (representing her sexuality), which are not separable without leading to tragedy. Several plays explore different failures to reconcile these aspects of woman. For example, Othello, who loves his loving wife, kills the whore; or Hamlet, whose hesitation is because killing the whore also means killing his mother, while facing this dilemma collapses his relationship with his chaste bride Ophelia, whom he packs off to a nunnery; you get the picture.

From this perspective, misogynistic Pauline Christianity corresponds to Puritanism and counterintuitively Catholicism would be its heretical offshoot – the main difference being the acknowledged importance of women, with the emphasis on Mary the mother, Mary Magdalen the bride and sexual partner. It is somewhat ironic that the Catholic Church is criticized today for manifestly not doing enough for women. And back in the Elizabethan era, at a time when people were getting hanged, drawn and quartered for this major difference of opinion, Shakespeare was a whistle-blower and spiritual guide of the first order, using the fiction of the theatre to speak some unsavory truths.

This myth is often to be found in modern fiction as well. In French, Mary Magdalen is Marie Madeleine. Thus in Proust’s In Search of Lost Time, she is a central mythical figure, not only for the famous madeleine cake and tea episode and its discreet connection with the narrator’s mother, but also the connection with his lover, alternating chasteness and promiscuity and stirring love and jealousy. This is also the theme of James Joyce’s Ulysses, whose hero, Leopold Bloom, copes rather better with the sometimes unfaithful goddess figure he is married to. And the theme can be traced through The Arabian Nights in which the wife is fighting for her life all the way back to The Odyssey, in which the man is fighting for his wife.

So there was a whole lot going on long before Dan Brown came on the scene to popularize the story. We need to see the power of myth not simply as a way of spreading disinformation about real individuals but also as the universal relevance given to universal issues. Learning the truth about Mary Magdalen can help remove the smears to the individual; it can also help us deal with this endless issue of male violence due to (over)possessiveness, incomprehension and ultimately fear of the fair sex.

[CD7]

The feminine SMear campaign happened wayyyy before Mary....What is the "first" story we are told...hummm... that EVE I tell u what- evil B. Who does she think she is ruining all of mans creation? LOL!!!
And so began the foundation of the HARMONIOUS relationship between A MAN AND A WOMEN. <------------sarcasm ofcourse :)

[skippy]

The real Johnny Cash: Lift up the receiver, I'll make you believer ..

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[Prodigal Son]

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.

Love percieved everything undividedly through unified perception?
We are suffering from a split mind... left side of the brain male and the right side female. This is directly correlated to the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. The Left pillar is male (severity) and the right is female (mercy). The goal is to take the middle path, to be impaled upon the tree, to seek the "narrow road".... etc. When we unify our consciousness we will attain the "kingdom of God"....

Peter Novak has a very interesting take on this called the "Binary Soul Doctrine"...

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[Billy]

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Mary […] said unto Jesus: "My Lord and Saviour, of what manner then are the four-and-twenty invisibles[/B] and of what type, or rather of what quality are they, or of what quality is then their light?"

And Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "[…] The four-and-twenty invisibles shine ten-thousand times more than the light of the sun which is in this world […]But the light of the sun in its shape in truth, which is in the region of the Virgin of Light, shineth ten-thousand times more than the four-and-twenty invisibles […]" (Pistis Sophia, c.83/84)

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Mary Magdalene came forward again, continued and said unto Jesus: "My Lord, in what type will be those who have received [B]the mystery of the Light, in the midst of the last Helper?"

And Jesus answered and said unto Mary in the midst of the disciples: "They who have received the mystery of the Light, if they come out of the body of the matter of the rulers, then will every one be in his order according to the mystery which he hath received. Those who have received the higher mysteries, will abide in the higher order; those who have received the lower mysteries will be in the lower orders. In a word, up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there will he abide in his order in the Inheritance of the Light. For which cause I have said unto you aforetime: 'Where your heart is, there will your treasure be,'--that is up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there shall he be." (Pistis Sophia, c.90)

Excellent , Thank you. Do you have a link for this information. The four and twenty invisible's are who i refer to in this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation

I am in transit working away from home at this moment, Hence great internet connections but all my research is tucked away in my caravan back home. In the early Celtic Church before the Roman Catholic times, Woman were priestesses. Priests had the choice to be celibate or to marry. A book i can recommend is
"Sun and Cross"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sun-Cross-Megalithic-Culture-Christianity/dp/0863154409/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375304466&sr=1-4&keywords=sun+and+cross



This thread is very important on a consciousness and energetic level for all of humanity. The reason as some have already expressed in this thread is that those who wish to control humanity fear the energetic consciousness potential of humanity. As is Jesus's true teachings.


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I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.


None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.

Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.




Summary: we're still in with a chance.


A stain glassed window on a wee island in Scotland depicting Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
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Thank you Bill.

Peace to all.

Edit

Mary is with child and Notice the hand hold. :whistle:

[chocolate]

With a lot of respect, EVE from the stories is a symbolic representation, while the Real Mary was more of a living person. And also, OUR conditioning makes EVE look as the source of misfortune for mankind, while the actual story paints a different picture.

I think the feminine side of the creation is very, very powerful which would explain the attempts to suppress it in the age of the male dominance. And as we very well know, the one who wins the war writes the history, so no wonder.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

My thanks once more for all your very high quality contributions. This is becoming a very valuable thread.

Here are two links to a collection of the following books, articles and videos.

Please use the sendspace link as priority, as this will keep load off the Avalon server.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/cdelfa
or
https://projectavalon.net/Jesus_and_Mary_Magdalene_related_books_articles_and_videos.zip

Zip file contents (137 Mb):


James M. Robinson - The Nag Hammadi Library - 1990.pdf
Jean-Yves Leloup - The Gospel of Philip, Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and the Gnosis of Sacred Union - 2004.pdf
Susan Haskins - Mary Magdalen: Myth and Metaphor - 1995.pdf
The Real Mary Magdalene - documentary extract.mov
Mariamne the Master.mov
Laurence Gardner - The Magdalene Legacy: The Jesus and Mary Bloodline Conspiracy - 2007.pdf
Rosemary Poole-Carter - Women of Magdalene - 2007.pdf
Karen L King - The Gospel of Mary of Magdala: Jesus and the First Woman Apostle - 2003.pdf
Excerpt from "The Gospel of Mary of Magdala" by Karen L. King.pdf
The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene.pdf
Michael Baigent - The Jesus Papers: Exposing the Greatest Cover-Up in History - 2006.pdf
Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln - Holy Blood, Holy Grail - 2004.pdf
Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh - The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception - 1993.pdf
Bart D. Ehrman - Peter, Paul, and Mary Magdalene: The Followers of Jesus in History and Legend - 2006.pdf
Bart D. Ehrman - Truth and Fiction in The Da Vinci Code: A Historian Reveals What We Really Know about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and Constantine - 2004.pdf
Bruce Chilton - Mary Magdalene: A Biography - 2006.pdf
Laurence Gardner - Bloodline of the Holy Grail: The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed - 1996.pdf
Jay Weidner - Rise of the Archons.pdf


Personal notes:


I'd highly recommend reading THE JESUS PAPERS by Michael Baigent (especially Chapters 2 and 13, which contain extraordinary material).
The brief (4 mins) video interview with THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS film-maker Simcha Jacobovici (Mariamne the Master.mov) is extremely good value for a short clip.
Two books in the collection which are of great importance are THE NAG HAMMADI SCROLLS (the entire translated collection), and of course HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL.
Jay Weidner's article RISE OF THE ARCHONS is from his website, in turn a transcript from a radio interview with Jeff Rense. It's a very valuable, succinct summary of the likely situation.


Enjoy. :)

[LahTera]

I had to go read the Gospel of Mary after reading this. Rather suspicious how the pages are missing just when it gets interesting -- just when Mary's explaining the knowledge given by Jesus.

I sure hope we find the missing pages. :(

[LahTera]

As above, so below. I find it rather interesting that galactic clusters look a lot like the neurons in a human brain. Just a note. ;)

[LahTera]

Full body vibrations? I've been feeling vibrations in my body and I've been assuming it's due to my neck injury. I'm not allowed to start threads yet ... is there any way we could chat about this? Thanks!

[LahTera]

I mentioned in a previous comment on this thread that the Dead Sea Scrolls moved me to write a poem. Given your comment, I'll risk sharing. ;)

The Key
~ August 25, 2001

Grains of sand in Mother Earth
Water drops in land and sea
Thoughts expand and they give birth
To INDIVIDUALITY.

Separate bodies, connected souls
Experience life, no secrets told.

Knowledge, it has been withheld,
Stories told by tongue and song,
Archetypes, they have been veiled,
Their memories are too far gone.

Now we have a starting place
In which we frolic blind.
Chaos reigns in time and space
As choices of each mind.

We're all one and all the same
On different paths and different planes.

Every failure is a blessing,
Every disadvantage gold.
One has not to keep on guessing!
Allow your conscience to unfold.

Is it wrong or is it right?
Do I teach or do I fight?

Here will happen all mistakes
Hard lessons will be learned.
To get back into Heaven's Gates,
Each soul must sow its turn.

I do believe that I have found
What just might be the key,
Not in the sky, not in the ground,
It's locked in UNITY

[johnf]

Mahatma Gandhi:

“(When asked what he thought of Western civilization): 'I think it would be a good idea.”

This brings up the larger subject of world teachers, and the relative longevity of the truth left in them.
As well as the jobs cut out for each of these teachers.
Western civilization , if starting from babylon, and moving forward through the mediterranean area, (emphasis in modern religion on Rome), then from there subjugating pretty much the entire world, under it's misunderstandings, and stamping out indigenous knowledge wherever it went.

The question arises.
On the planes above the top of the physical world, (in which a deluded triune deity aparently resides) perhaps there was some sort of lottery.
Maybe a drawing of straws.
The other choice is perhaps Krishna, Buddha,Zoroaster, Moses,Jesus(Esu,Isha, Yeshua), etc, each volunteered.

If the later is the case, I think he had the toughest job of all of them.

jf

[LahTera]

I think Jesus existed. like many here, it's not based on any sort of research, or dogma being forced down my throat, but more of a hunch.

it is easy to pick apart the Jesus story - it's so ridiculous - but as Bill said, that doesn't mean he didn't exist.

I think it's telling that during all my various phases throughout my evolution, whether it be Buddhism, Hinduism, Ufology, Wicca etc..., I've always (and still do sometimes) gone and sat under a Jesus statue at the local church whenever I've had a real problem that needed sorting out. Despite it all, my Catholic roots, and mainly my Jesus connection, has always remained strong.

quick story: like everyone else here, ive adopted and discarded various philosophies, sets of beliefs etc on my way to the person I am today. but I always ( particularly as a younger man) felt vaguely guilty doing it. maybe it was just typical Catholic guilt made manifest - I don't know. but I had a dream one night, a lucid dream, where I was approached by a man I believed to be Jesus, and without saying anything he reassured me that it was perfectly ok for me to explore other religions and faiths and philosophies. it was profoundly emotional. I awoke with tears in my eyes, feeling 50 pounds lighter.

I can relate! I was brought up as a fundamental Christian, but when I was 9, we stepped into what might be called a haunted house. Broad daylight and the house was only 5 years old, and back in the early 70s, one was ridiculed for having such thoughts. Anyway, it took only one step inside, and while my parents debated which way to go to show the house to us kids, I was suddenly getting a very terrifying feeling and the hairs on the back of my neck went up. Then I heard a deep, gutteral male voice yell, "Get out!" I looked up to see how everyone else was reacting to this and it was like no one else heard it. They were completely unaware. And I can't attribute it to new house jitters -- we'd been military moving around for years already. I had been raised that ghosts didn't exist ... how ignorant I was. Living there for the next 4 years, I heavily researched it, and I started by looking into the Bible. It wasn't enough. I checked all the books at my elementary school and libraries on the subject and even conducted what tests I could. I remember feeling guilty about it, but it felt like God was telling me it was okay ... as long as I knew He was there in the end. I had the same feeling reading the Dead Sea Scrolls, and after I had, I was thankful.

BTW, there is one important thing in the Bible if you find yourself dealing with demons (and I'm not sure *what* I was dealing with at that house -- since then, I've been in other haunted places and they weren't near as terrifying): "In the name of Jesus Christ, I rebuke you." Has certainly worked for me. ;)

[norman]

If this is the mother of all cover ups, we should consider that it would most likely have been to continue an already running false agenda.

I can't explain why but as I read all this stuff on this thread I get a strong feeling that the deaths of all those who saw the inside of Tutankhamun's tomb when it was opened in 1922 is very much connected to this cover up.

[Sith73]

Great Post Bill! I believe ghostrider touched on the subject of my next thought which is the THE TALMUD JMMANUEL. Have you looked at this by chance?

[CD7]

With a lot of respect, EVE from the stories is a symbolic representation, while the Real Mary was more of a living person. And also, OUR conditioning makes EVE look as the source of misfortune for mankind, while the actual story paints a different picture.

I think the feminine side of the creation is very, very powerful which would explain the attempts to suppress it in the age of the male dominance. And as we very well know, the one who wins the war writes the history, so no wonder.

With a lot of seriousness :)...whether a "person" was real or not really is not the crux of it all. ALL THESE stories, myths, movies, books are centered around an ideology that has effects in MASS proportions over many years. I mean really all this going on and on about this person and tht person and wht they did and who they stood for (in any thread) is not tht important as The effects it has/had on mass consciousness.

[ketikoti]

Christianity: One woman's lie about having an affair that got seriously out of hand.
- Will Ferrell (https://twitter.com/Will___Ferrell)

[Beren]

If we could just stop, for a second, our debates (as humans) about Jesus and actually don`t get too smart and delve deeply in what his teaching were all about. If we just pick up the cheapest Bible we can find online or in hard copy, and read his words there about Love... we then should not look further.


Love God with all your heart, soul and mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

This is the ultimate teaching narrowed to the highest and densest point- LOVE. But Love as an act first. Not waiting from God or neighbor to love us first. We should take power that is within us and act (Love) first.

When doing this action-loving- we act divinely. We start the God program in us because we are part of God. God ultimate program is Love.
Love is all there or that is.

So love God- the source of Love and Love itself and by the law of cause and effect you will see how that act of Loving grows exponentially.
Towards all that we meet , see, smell, touch, feel ...throughout our whole life experience in all dimensions.

Love, love and see what happens!

:)

[good point]

Jesus was smeared by the money changers. This short video explains; that's as it is today, it was then: Z69JQY929vY

[nomadguy]

This is a great thread I began reading many of the text from the links and one of the books mentioned here - The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, by Nicolas Notovitch

Right before I began to read this I also watched the video from BBC about the lost gospels, it triggered my memory about a news story I had come across not too long ago,
http://www.theworld.org/2013/01/israeli-archeologists-discover-jesus-synagogue/
About a town named "Magdala"
from the article
Israeli Archeologists Discover “Jesus’ Synagogue”
By Irris Makler ⋅ January 4, 2013 ⋅ "In the time of Jesus, Magdala was a thriving fishing village. It was home to Mary Magdalene – she was “Mary of Magdala.” And it was located in the small area along the sea of Galilee where the bible said Jesus lived and ministered and performed most of his miracles. "

In that same article the author chose to display a photo of a mosaic found in Magdala,
http://www.theworld.org/wp-content/uploads/mosaic2.jpg

This image struck me,
I was immediately thrust right back into my reading of the book by Nicolas Notovitch
Which is about a man from Russia whom went to Tibet in search of the unknown or lost years of Jesus. His hypothesis focused on the possibility of the Tibetan prophet Issa being from the middle east. As fascinating as this was this is not what struck me. What struck was the geometry in the mosaic. What I immediately thought of was a mandala...

I found this quite exciting as I had just begun reading of a man was traveling to that very region in search of the lost years of jesus. The hindus say that jesus studied in Nalanda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda). This is fairly well known information I had even heard Alan Watts speak about this fact in one of his talks. Nalanda is due south of Tibet.
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I strongly recommend reading The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, by Nicolas Notovitch
I have not finished yet, but I will say it is an exciting read. Both from the descriptions of the region and the mystery he embarked on.

I have long since studied this very topic, I have read books like Holy Blood Holy Grail and a medium sized pile of other books, some of which were references for it. I agree with Bill's summation of what Bérenger Saunière found... And that his discovery had something to do with the real truth of Jesus and Mary Magdalene or "Mariamne from Magdala". I for one will be watching this thread closely.
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[chocolate]

Thank you, Bill, for the compilation of books and videos, much appreciated!
I feel like I just walked in the old library that still existed when I was a kid, through the cool stoned stairwell and through the smell of wood, dust, paper and the butterflies in my stomach.

[Gardener]

Perhaps we are re-assembling the library of Alexandria, (metaphorically speaking) taken from us in the grandest cover-up. Having just passed through the depest darkest winter of the great year, the apocalyptic revealing is underway.


Bill----> We are still in with a chance Indeed we are.


Thank you, Bill, for the compilation of books and videos, much appreciated!
I feel like I just walked in the old library that still existed when I was a kid, through the cool stoned stairwell and through the smell of wood, dust, paper and the butterflies in my stomach.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks very much Bill for sharing this with us. It aligns almost totally with my own thoughts and feelings, which have become what they are after years and years of research, investigation and meditation on the matter.

Perhaps another point to add to the list, something which I feel quite strongly about, is an agenda to heavily water down Jesus’s teachings, combined with an effort to preserve and sustain the life of the Old Testament (which has far surpassed its ‘Best Before’ date) and all the doctrine, tradition and control mechanisms of ancient Jewish mythology.

The ministry of Jesus was not bent merely on freeing people from oppression, who had suffered for so long at the hands of Roman tyranny, but also from the Church. The destructive and quite negative elements he sought to reform have unfortunately not only survived (still deeply embedded in Christianity), but have continued to flourish, keeping the masses spiritually malnourished and locked down in fear and control.

[SKAWF]

its funny how things work sometimes.

ive said previously that i dont believe jesus to have been a real man.

but this thread has caused me to look a bit deeper into things.

specifically, the trinity.
to my mind, it IS symbolic, but symbolic of what exactly?...

at first my mind (and imagination) went to the obvious....

we are androgynous in our true nature. even if we have been convinced that we are Only, a man or a woman.

so maybe the trinty represents the masculine, and feminine balance, with our point of awareness at its full potential, (as the christ)

i am someone who believes that they have gotten us to externalise our own internal spiritual composition,
in order to disenfranchise us from our source, while not completely severing us from it.

but it seems too simplistic.

why not have the symbolisim as a physical man and women?...

they obviously chose a physical woman, a non physical 'spirit', and a physical child for a reason...

so maybe the woman represents that physical body,
the non physical 'spirit' could be our energetic aspect, and the christ could be the embodiment of the two combined.

but then again, the woman could be the magnetism of the earth, which we also experience on a physical level...
the holy spirit could be the electricity of the Sun,
and the christ could be our physical, and spiritual presence, in relation to the sun and the earth, but physically...
embodied on this planet.

i probably wouldnt even be thinking about this if it wasnt for this thread, even though i dont quite agree with the premise of it.

i would suggest though, as i have done here many times,

that if you continue to look outside of yourselves for the answers to stuff like this...
that you will never reconnect yourself back to source, because its not to be found outside of yourself...

it is to be found within.

[CdnSirian]

This is a great thread I began reading many of the text from the links and one of the books mentioned here - The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, by Nicolas Notovitch

Right before I began to read this I also watched the video from BBC about the lost gospels, it triggered my memory about a news story I had come across not too long ago,
http://www.theworld.org/2013/01/israeli-archeologists-discover-jesus-synagogue/
About a town named "Magdala"
from the article
Israeli Archeologists Discover “Jesus’ Synagogue”
By Irris Makler ⋅ January 4, 2013 ⋅ "In the time of Jesus, Magdala was a thriving fishing village. It was home to Mary Magdalene – she was “Mary of Magdala.” And it was located in the small area along the sea of Galilee where the bible said Jesus lived and ministered and performed most of his miracles. "

In that same article the author chose to display a photo of a mosaic found in Magdala,
http://www.theworld.org/wp-content/uploads/mosaic2.jpg

This image struck me,
I was immediately thrust right back into my reading of the book by Nicolas Notovitch
Which is about a man from Russia whom went to Tibet in search of the unknown or lost years of Jesus. His hypothesis focused on the possibility of the Tibetan prophet Issa being from the middle east. As fascinating as this was this is not what struck me. What struck was the geometry in the mosaic. What I immediately thought of was a mandala...

I found this quite exciting as I had just begun reading of a man was traveling to that very region in search of the lost years of jesus. The hindus say that jesus studied in Nalanda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda). This is fairly well known information I had even heard Alan Watts speak about this fact in one of his talks. Nalanda is due south of Tibet.
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I strongly recommend reading The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, by Nicolas Notovitch
I have not finished yet, but I will say it is an exciting read. Both from the descriptions of the region and the mystery he embarked on.

I have long since studied this very topic, I have read books like Holy Blood Holy Grail and a medium sized pile of other books, some of which were references for it. I agree with Bill's summation of what Bérenger Saunière found... And that his discovery had something to do with the real truth of Jesus and Mary Magdalene or "Mariamne from Magdala". I for one will be watching this thread closely.
:yo:

Thank you! I just got it in Kindle from Amazon.

[william r sanford72]

after three days almost of reading.going inward.without the massive amount of info now gifted by means of books and vids etc. posted on this wonderful thread beeing explored .i realized it was an asshole thing of me to do .to my loved ones.selfish.forcing a truth is abit like forcing democracy with a gun.much to learn.thank you avalon...sorry back to thread..william.

[lightseeker]

Bill, I find your thread very interesting. I have not posted for a very long time, but I do check the sight and often read but not comment on many threads.

There was a Jesus, just not the one that most of humanity was taught to believe in. I believe this is basically what you were commenting on in your thread.

I responded to a similar thread on PA some time ago sighting the scholarly work of Dr. Barbara Thiering, an expert on the Dead Sea Schrolls.

Dr. Thiering wrote the book " JESUS & THE RIDDLE OF THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS". Her web site is well worth exploring: peshertechnique.infinitsolutions.com .

Dr. Thiering is considered an authority on the pesher technique.
Dr. Leonie Star, in her forward to Dr. Thiering's book explains the pesher technique as follows: Quote" Modern literature makes much of the concept of "subtext", those ideas lying below the surface words of the text. Some of the biblical interpretations of the century have accepted that there is a second meaning lying below the words of the gospels - this meaning is usually seen as either mythical or allegorical. Theiring's view of the underlying meaning is radically different-she sees in it an actual chronicle of events, portraying the history of Jesus. These events can be traced through the device of "pesher", a technique adapted from Old Testement interpretations characteristic of the scribes at Qumran, adjacent to where the Dead See Scrolls were discovered." Unquote

I have read Theiring's book, it is a very scholarly work paying great attention to detail. At times, difficult to get through, however it was well worth it.

I saw Theiring paint a portrait of a man (Jesus) that the New Testament cannot match in its details, passion of the times and of Jesus himself.

This book adds to the vast amount of info. already published regarding Jesus of Nazareth and who He was/is. I found this Jesus to be very human, and compassionate, but very much behind the scenes in the guidance of his message as apposed to being in the forefront leading.

He did marry Mary Magdelene. They had a daughter and a son. There was a falling between Jesus and Magdalen regarding the leadership of the movement. This lead to a divorce between Mary and Jesus.

According to Theiring's interpetation (using the pesher technique) . Jesus was crucified and removed from the cross withing 24 hrs after being given a drug to fain death. He was revived and spent some time healing. He continued his teaching, and if memory serves me well, He died at the age of 75 in Antioch.

All is to say that this adds more texture to the story of the person called Jesus.

Thiering's book is well worth the read, and here web site goes into great detail on much of what was meant in the New and Old testament. Using pesher, paints a very different picture of Jesus and his times. It is well worth the reading and studying.:o

I

[Prodigal Son]

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.

Love percieved everything undividedly through unified perception?
We are suffering from a split mind... left side of the brain male and the right side female. This is directly correlated to the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. The Left pillar is male (severity) and the right is female (mercy). The goal is to take the middle path, to be impaled upon the tree, to seek the "narrow road".... etc. When we unify our consciousness we will attain the "kingdom of God"....

Peter Novak has a very interesting take on this called the "Binary Soul Doctrine"...

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I just wanted to add what I think is a noteworthy aspect of this Split Mind theory...

Firstly, just looking at the human brain we can see two hemispheres with only a few connections between them called the corpus callosum...

http://www.thethinkingbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Brainhemispheres1.jpg

This split creates a division in consciousness whereby they don't talk to each other the way they should, cutting off communication between the conscious mind (left) and the subconscious mind (right).

As I mentioned previously, this is related to the two pillars of the Temple, Jachin and Boaz, (and the Tree of Life which has three paths, right left and middle). These represent the Emotions of Severity (male) and Mercy (female). You need to enter the Temple between the two pillars, which means to take the middle path, striking a balance between Aggression and Complacency, among other dichotomies.

Since human consciousness creates the reality we live in, these two hemispheres are reflected in the world.

The left (Western) Hemisphere, with its Abrahamic religions being dominant, and with its ruling criminal cabal worshiping the Narcissist male god Jehovah, has terrorized the rest of the world, financially, militarily, psychologically, etc.... and it is missing the Divine Feminine. The Eastern religions are much more balanced, founded on the premise of Yin and Yan, taking duality into consideration, but have succumbed to the tyranny of the Western Cabal.

So in this way the entire world is manifesting the insane condition of the human brain in its present state.

[chocolate]

Gardener, will you believe me that I was thinking exactly about the library of Alexandria, you read my mind.

About the person Jesus and the symbol Jesus, I always think of them at the same time. I do think Jesus can be understood as a symbol on many levels. And I do think of the real person also. I always remember how a deception is built on the base of truth infused with lies or variations of truths, so...

[Billy]

I see Jesus as a messenger...I often wonder where he came from? Do you?

I have no idea -- honestly.



Also in much of the information you have mentioned he clearly states that he will return for his flock...just wondered what your interpretation/thoughts of this are ... ?

My interpretation of that (and those words have been mistranslated and 'spun' many times over) is that his real message would return to wide awareness. Not the man or the being himself.



With reference to the 24 elder thread here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation

Post 2 of the OP I refer to this book. The only planet of choice. http://ia600409.us.archive.org/16/items/TheOnlyPlanetOfChoice/planet_choice.pdf

There is a whole Chapter that refers to The Nazarene (Jesus) chapter 15 the title is "The Nazarene".

As with all information use discernment. personally The Only Planet of Choice rings true for me. But i am only one in 7 billion.

Some snippets from the book.

HARRIET: We were wondering about the Immaculate Conception, and whether you would tell us about that, and also if the Nazarene had offspring?

Tom: You ask us to tell you our thoughts or our knowing?

HARRIET: Your knowing.

Tom: We understand not why humankind make complications out of simple information. The earth mother of the Nazarene was implanted by the Hoova, in what you term.. you do it in your planet without physicalness.

JOHN: Yes, artificial insemination.

Tom: Yes, Jesus was the first-born. He is Hoova, that the nation of Israel calls Yehovah. After his birth, then Mary and Joseph had seven other male and three female. The Nazarene's physical brother and sister siblings were not implanted. You asked if the Nazarene experienced the physical glory?

GUEST: We were talking about the genetic influence of the Hoovids, and we identified the first two genetic implants of the Hoovids, and we wondered whether the Nazarene represented the third?

Tom: He was like that but that does not mean he offspringed children.

DAVID: So he had no offspring?

Tom: You make your world complicated. He was a representative of Hoova. In the genetic stream of Hoova, there existed beings of Hoova on Planet Earth. What the Nazarene did was to reawaken the coding of memory within. He was a man upon Planet Earth, and as with nearly all men upon Planet Earth, went through a sexual development, as do females, which comes from the source of soul within.

For in the moment of sexual exchange, it is the one moment in your
physical life when you attain the oneness of your Creator. It is that time and moment which is sought. This is part of the difficulty upon Planet Earth, for humankind has misunderstood the purpose of sex, and in searching for the returning to the Creator, has debased it.

And because the founders of religion knew the truth of this returning, and did not wish the masses to attain it also, they forbade it, and thereby made it dominant. Part of the difficulty of male humankind moving from one woman to another in endlessness stems from the misunderstanding and non development of true exchange, and the purpose of this exchange.

It was necessary for the Nazarene to experience that with the Magdalene. In the exchange with the Magdalene he was able to maintain his true identity with the Creator. Is that understood?

When both partners whose motive is clean - we do not wish to preach -who understand who they are, and their oneness with their mate, and have attained the bringing of two together in unison and great glory, this then brings great joy.

If you experience this, remember, do not let it pass, for it is catching a star, riding a star. Remember that, for it will always bring you back to the returning of your creation. Know also that you are part of the Creator, and that you also created the Creator.

HARRIET: That's beautiful.

JOHN: So, what you're saying is that Mary Magdalene did not have a child?

Tom: Not from the Nazarene.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ANDREW: The mission of the Nazarene apparently almost succeeded but, as you say, there was failure because of the role of society and our so-called 'civilization'. There are many on Earth today who fully expect the return of the Nazarene, and I gather from what you say that is not possible, since the single individual will not return to……?

Tom: This is correct, a single individual will not return. There are many on this planet similar to the Nazarene. It will be a collection. Those that come and say they are the Nazarene or the Messiah, are not the true Messiah. As we have explained before, when they call themselves masters, they are not masters

End Snippet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Another perspective to view from.

Peace

[spannera]

I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.


Guitarpikk: aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.

I do not have it anymore, so i cannot give specific discrepancies, and discrepancies compared with what? To have discrepancies, you have to have a comparative.

I read it all and remember enjoying it if I took it as a science fi book (i do like science fiction). But, contrarily to some science fiction books containing a large amount of truth, I thought Urantia book was rather not true. At the most, explaining another planet reality, but most probably just imagination.

Why? Because the woman who gave it to me had been part of a church, pretty high near the head of it, that promoted heavily the reading and usage of Urantia book. Yet, she was beating up children, had deep knowledge of herbal usage for nefarious purposes, used magic for her own benefit, was stealing and lying, name it (took me a while to see it, but there was no mistaking about this). I was sure that the precise book given to me had been charged with nefarious energies, so I threw it away.

Edit:

Bill, I remember while reading it finding a lots of references to the ordinary bible stories, twisted another way. Plus additions from imaginative people. As an example, I clearly remember that people were traveling in a sacz that were hanging down from huge birds (the tork stories, but for adult people), it was a mode of locomotion way way back. And all kind of stuff like this.

Hi Flash,

I just want to add my voice to yours on the Urantia book (a subject to be moved to another thread so as to not derail this one).

It has much right but a hidden agenda is palpable to my senses. The intuitive sense that it implants wrong intent in the reader made me put it down and never look for it again.

If we are to take the teachings of Jesus and Mary Magdalene at their core truth we must learn to trust our inner Self knowingness, tune into that for there are the keys. Our susceptibility to undesirable influences will only end when we truly know ourselves.

:focus:

I have never posted on this site so be gentle lol
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary [the wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. Gospel of Luke.
In chapter 24 of the gospel of Luke, there is an account of Jesus appearing to two people walking on the road to Emmaus after His resurrection. Luke 24:18 identifies one of the persons as "Cleopas" who is believed to be Mary's husband. Some biblical scholars speculate the other person with Cleopas on the road was his wife, Mary.
MARY CLEOPAS- CLEOPATRA
MARY MAGDALENE-
Mary Magdalene (original Greek Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνή),[2] or Mary of Magdala and sometimes The Magdalene, is a religious figure in Christianity. She has been called the second-most important woman in the New Testament after Mary the mother of Jesus.[3]
Magdala (Aramaic: מגדלא / Magdala, meaning "elegant", "great", or "tower" (viz. "great place"); Hebrew: מגדל / Migdal, meaning "
Cleopatra of Alexander was a Piso family member
The romans referred to her as the harlot
Cleopatra VII Philopator (Greek: Κλεοπάτρα Φιλοπάτωρ; Late 69 BC[1] – August 12, 30 BC), known to history as Cleopatra,[2][3] was the last pharaoh of Ancient Egypt. She was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, a family of Greek[4][5][6][7][8][9] origin that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great's death during the Hellenistic period.

Tower of Alexandria
Cleopatra of the Magdala=Mary of the Tower.

[Eric J (Viking)]

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Great Post Bill! I believe ghostrider touched on the subject of my next thought which is the THE TALMUD JMMANUEL. Have you looked at this by chance?

Identical information here Sith ... perhaps coincidence hey! ;-)

A document was discovered in 1963 by a Greek Catholic Priest who had become a "contact" for the Cosmic Messengers who led him to this "lost" scroll. This Priest was persecuted and finally was killed, but not before he translated part of it and gave it to another man, Billy Meier from Switzerland, who would also become a contact. This document represents the true story of the life of the one commonly known as "Jesus of Nazareth". It is told by Jesus AND his disciple Judas Iscarioth who was also his scribe. For the first time in history Judas Iscarioth's name is cleared because he was NOT the one who "betrayed" Jesus. Absolute clarification of the numerous falsifications, misrepresentations and history 2000 years ago is given. Some of the many questions answered are:

* How was Christ conceived and why Mary was chosen?
* What was His true name at birth (Immanuel) and why was it changed to "Jesus" which means "The Anointed"?
* Who were the actual "teachers" of Immanuel?
* Who is GOD and what is THE CREATION above God?
* What are the true Laws of God and The Creation?
* What did Immanuel teach about Personal Responsibility?
* Who actually "betrayed" Immanuel and why was Judas Iscarioth blamed?
* What is the true purpose of Baptism?
* What was the purpose and meaning of Immanuel's Crucifixion and the Resurrection?
* What became of Immanuel after His Resurrection?
* What is the "Curse of Israel" and why is there a curse?
* What is Immanuel's and OUR connection with Celestial Messengers?
* Are we on Earth currently living in "The End Times" as predicted in Revelations?
* Why did Immanuel promise to return to us and do we know when?


read here...
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/PJ_02.pdf

Eric/viking

[Sith73]

Thanks Viking for the link I will read shorty thanks again ;)

[Sophocles]

This is an excerpt from Pierre Sabak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIsxEBxT1J4)`s book (http://www.amazon.com/The-Murder-Reality-Symbolism-Serpentigena/dp/0956405304/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375393731&sr=8-1&keywords=pierre+sabak) The Murder of Reality, p. 130-131, and a footnote (58):

Cited as the Imperial Emperor (63 BC-AD 14), Augustus aka Gaius Octavius is contemporaneous to Jesus and the development of the Roman Church. The title Augustus is reduced philologically from «Ogygia» (Theban), named in honor after the mythical King of Thebes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thebes,_Greece) «Ogyges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogyges)». His bloodline is further deduced from the Canaanite King «Og-Yasir». Ogyges` reign is concurrent with Atlantis and Noah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_%28ancestor_of_Noah%29). Registered with Erechtheus and Cecrops, Ogyges` divine offspring is described as part-human and part-serpent, otherwise angelic.

Ogyges` namesake rendered in Latin is grouped with the transitive verb «oggero» (to bring or offer) and is paired with «ogganio» (to growl), imitable of the canine. Growling of the dog religiously is cogent with the helical rising of the Dog star, Sirius. Celebrated, the renewal of the constellation is marked ritualistically by the oracle barking or mimicking the canine, servile to the worship of Bacchus. Occult practice and knowledge observed thorough the «orgia» (ceremony) is transferred from the Craft of the «Ogygis». Designation of the «Ogygia» (Theban) divulges the Greek mystery «orgia» (secret rite), translated into English as «orgy», implicit of the «ogre». The ogre is compared to «ogle» -a «watcher or a dragon».

Celebration of the «orgia» denudes sexual practices, conceptual of the Greek verb «orgao» (to swell or to be excited), quite literally «oggero» (to bring) to an erection. «Orgao» is anatomical of the organ, relative to «orgasmos» (orgasm), thematic of the «augury», initiated from «Thebes» (Ogygia). Celebrants of the «orgia» (orgy) accord to the sacred or imperial bloodline, conceived from angels the «hemitheoi» (hemitheos), transpired from the oligarch Ogyges (Orion).

Ancestry of the Theban King Ogyges discloses the Roman Imperial lineage of Augustus, traced archaically from Erech and earlier Uruq (Iraq), cult centers contracted to Thebes. In addition, Thebes appears to have been aligned to the capital Mari. In ancient Persian, the appellation «Mari» translates (of the serpent) and indicates (a serpent being), exterior to the Persian title «mal» (a king). Esoteric, the location of Mari is matched with a «Theban», articulated as «teaban», assigned to the cobra ideogram.

Application of the uraeus glyph records the «anguigena (http://www.wikiled.com/Latin-English-anguigena-default.aspx)» (a Theban), appended with (the offspring of the snake), in Greek the «ogygia» (ogre). The «anguigena» is analogous to «Augustan» (imperial), and is replicated through «Augustus» the first Roman Emperor, imaged as the serpent (Latin anguis). To conclude, bloodline of Augustus is reciprocal of the Theban priesthood congruous with the snake.

The royal center of Thebes extended its influence into the heart of Rome, via the pharaonic (Theban) and Ptolemy (Greek) Dynasties. Descendents of the Syrian (Theban) priesthood created the Roman Church. In addition, they seeded the bloodline of Jesus through the Emperor Augustus himself (58). Allied to the western nations, Rome augmented the theology of Mithra with Amun to create the new religion Christianity, built upon the ashes of Jerusalem. Its new Kingdom and Temple were built as Christendom, located on the shores of England...

Footnote 58:

Alexander`s rule governed the Middle East perpetuated through his general Ptolemy and the rise of the Greek Ptolemaic Dynasty (305-30 BC). Two and a half centuries later, the offspring of the Ptolemaic and Roman line is merged with the Royal Highness Cleopatra. Famously the beautiful queen committed suicide by the bite of an asp, in double talk copulated with the noble line of Augustus. Cleopatra`s secret heir conceived after the battle of Actium in 31 BC is Jesus Christ. Her fated meeting with Caesar`s General Mark Anthony in Tarsus (Taurus) is the birthplace of Saul of Tarsus, a roman citizen known later as St. Paul, the father of the church. Circumstantial evidence suggests that Mark Anthony is known otherwise as St. Mark the Apostle, companion to Peter and Paul. Mark originally a Greek name is attributed with the authorship of the second Gospel -chronologically the earliest in date. Importantly, «Mark» in Latin translates as (a male sprung from Mars), correlated with the title (Marquis). The descendents of Mars are identical in Hebrew to the name Adam, signified as Cadmus. Jesus` offspring are equated with the legend of Arthur and ruled over «Albion» (Britain) post-Ceasar`s campaign.

[Atlas]

Do you have a link for this information. The four and twenty invisible's are who i refer to in this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation

Here is the link: gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps088.htm (http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps088.htm)

See also: gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps005.htm (http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps005.htm)

And moreover Jesus had not told his disciples the total expansion of all the regions of the great Invisible and of the three triple-powers and of the four-and-twenty invisibles, and all their regions and their æons and their orders, how they are extended--those which are the emanations of the great Invisible--and their ungenerated and their self-generated and their generated and their light-givers and their unpaired and their rulers and their authorities and their lords and their archangels and their angels and their decans and their servitors and all the houses of their spheres and all the orders of every one of them.

And : gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps086.htm (http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps086.htm)

Jesus continued again in the discourse and said unto his disciples: "[…]I entered into the region of the four-and-twenty invisibles, shining most exceedingly. And they fell into great commotion; they looked and saw Sophia, who was with me. Her they knew, but me they knew not, who I was, but held me for some sort of emanation of the Light-land.

"It came to pass then, when Pistis Sophia saw her fellows, the invisibles, that she rejoiced in great joy and exulted exceedingly and desired to proclaim the wonders which I had wrought on her below in the earth of mankind, until I saved her.[…]”

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.theworld.org/2013/01/israeli-archeologists-discover-jesus-synagogue/
About a town named "Magdala"
from the article
Israeli Archeologists Discover “Jesus’ Synagogue”
By Irris Makler - January 4, 2013 - "In the time of Jesus, Magdala was a thriving fishing village. It was home to Mary Magdalene – she was “Mary of Magdala.” And it was located in the small area along the sea of Galilee where the bible said Jesus lived and ministered and performed most of his miracles. "

This is interesting: note that there's some disagreement among historians about whether Magdala (now Migdal) actually existed 2000 years ago. The Aramaic meaning of "Magdala" is "elegant", "great", or "tower" -- see post #110 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign&p=710247&viewfull=1#post710247) above (which I found extremely useful). It rings true to me personally that Mary may have been 'nicknamed' after her strength.



I strongly recommend reading The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, by Nicolas Notovitch.
I have not finished yet, but I will say it is an exciting read. Both from the descriptions of the region and the mystery he embarked on.

Here's the book: http://projectavalon.net/The_Unknown_Life_of_Jesus_Christ_Nicolas_Notovich_1890.pdf



I agree with Bill's summation of what Bérenger Saunière found... And that his discovery had something to do with the real truth of Jesus and Mary Magdalene or "Mariamne from Magdala". I for one will be watching this thread closely.


Here's the start of the second chapter ("The Priest's Treasure") of THE JESUS PAPERS by Michael Baigent (2006). Here's the entire book as a PDF:

http://projectavalon.net/The_Jesus_Papers_Michael_Baigent.pdf





Throughout my career I’ve enjoyed correspondence with other historians and researchers into the truth behind accepted history, but some letters demand more attention than others. This letter certainly did.








“May I advise you that the ‘treasure’ is not one of gold and precious stones, but a document containing incontrovertible evidence that Jesus was alive in the year a.d. 45. The clues left behind by the good curé have never been understood, but it is clear from the script that a substitution was carried out by the extreme zealots on the journey to the place of execution. The document was exchanged for a very large sum and concealed or destroyed.”
Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln, and I simply didn’t know what to do with this note. It came from a respected and highly educated Church of England vicar, the Rev. Dr. Douglas William Guest Bartlett. By “the good curé” Bartlett was referring to the Abbé Béranger Saunière, the priest of the small hilltop village of Rennes le Château, nestled in the foothills of the Pyrenees.

Abbé Saunière was appointed priest at the village in 1885. His annual income was approximately ten dollars. He gained a notoriety that has lasted to the present day by obtaining, in the early 1890s, from mysterious sources, for equally mysterious reasons, considerable wealth. The key to his wealth was a discovery he made while restoring the church in 1891. But the “treasure” he found, according to Bartlett, was not the glittering deposit we had at first supposed (perhaps the lost treasure of the Temple in Jerusalem), but something far more extraordinary—some documents concerning Jesus and therefore the very basis of Christianity. At the time this seemed too wild for us to even consider and so we left it “on file.”

We had certainly suspected that something odd was going on in the dark corridors of history, but while working on Holy Blood, Holy Grail we were discovering all manner of unexpected and highly controversial data that would take us far away from the concerns of this letter, so we tabled it for future scrutiny. Jesus’s survival was simply not an important issue for us at that time, as our focus had become fixed on the possibility that prior to the crucifixion he had at least one child—or had left his wife pregnant. So whether Jesus’s life ended on the cross or not seemed irrelevant to our developing story of his marriage, the survival of his bloodline down through European history, and its symbolic expression in the stories of the Holy Grail, stories that formed the backbone of our best-selling book Holy Blood, Holy Grail, first published in 1982.

Yet, intrigued by this bland, outrageous, but confident letter, we kept returning to it. “What,” we asked ourselves, “would constitute ‘incontrovertible evidence’ that Jesus survived and was living long afterwards?” “What, in fact,” we thought, racking our brains, “would constitute incontrovertible evidence of anything in history?” Documents, we supposed, but what sort of documents would be beyond doubt?

The most believable documents, we thought, would be the most apparently mundane, those with no agenda to serve, no argument to support—an inventory perhaps, a historical equivalent of a shopping list. Something like a Roman legal document stating in a matter-of-fact manner: “Item: Alexandria, Fourth year of Claudius (a.d. 45), report of Jesus ben Joseph, an immigrant from Galilee, formerly tried and acquitted in Jerusalem by Pontius Pilate, today confirmed as the owner of a plot of land beyond the city walls.”

But it all seemed a bit far-fetched.

After Holy Blood, Holy Grail appeared and the dust had settled, out of personal curiosity more than anything else, we decided to visit the author of the letter and see what we could make of him. We needed to know whether he was believable or not. He lived in Leafield, Oxfordshire, a rural county of England comprising idyllic villages with stone houses centered upon the ancient university town of Oxford. The Rev. Bartlett lived in one of the small villages set in the higher country to the northwest of the county. We talked to him one afternoon in his garden, sitting on a wooden bench. It was the normality of the setting that made the topic of our conversation all the more remarkable.

“In the 1930s, I was living in Oxford,” reported the Rev. Bartlett. “In the same street was a ‘high-powered’ figure in the Church of England, Canon Alfred Lilley. I saw him every day.” Canon Alfred Leslie Lilley (1860–1948) had been, until his retirement in 1936, Canon and Chancellor of Hereford Cathedral. He was an expert in medieval French and for that reason was often consulted on difficult translation work.

During their daily talks, Lilley and Bartlett became closer, and Lilley eventually trusted Bartlett sufficiently to tell him an extraordinary story. In the early 1890s, Lilley reported, he had been asked by a young man, a former student of his, to travel to Paris to the Seminary of Saint Sulpice to advise on the translation of a strange document (or perhaps documents—Bartlett could no longer remember exactly) that had appeared from a source that was never divulged. At Saint Sulpice there was a group of scholars whose task it was to comb through all the documents that came in—a task performed, Lilley suspected, at the request of a Vatican cardinal. The scholars asked for help on the translation because they couldn’t really make out the text. Perhaps it seemed so outrageous to them that they thought they were misunderstanding it in some manner.

“They didn’t know that it was so close to the bone,” Bartlett recalled Lilley explaining. “Lilley said that they wouldn’t have a long and happy life if certain people knew about it. It was a very delicate matter. Lilley laughed over what was going to happen when the French priests told anyone about it. He didn’t know what happened to them [the documents], but he thought that they had changed hands for a large sum of money and had ended up in Rome.” In fact, Lilley thought that the Church would ultimately destroy these documents.

Lilley was quite certain that these documents were authentic. They were extraordinary and upset many of our ideas about the Church. Contact with the material, he said, led to an unorthodoxy. Lilley did not know for certain where the documents had come from but believed that they had once been in the possession of the heretical Cathars in the south of France during the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, even though they were much older. He was also sure that following the demise of the Cathars the documents had been held in Switzerland until the wars of the fourteenth century, when they were taken to France.

“By the end of his life,” Bartlett explained, “Lilley had come to the conclusion that there was nothing in the Gospels that one could be certain about. He had lost all conviction of truth.”

Henry and I were stunned. Bartlett was no fool. Not only was he a church minister with a master’s degree from one of the Oxford colleges, but he also held a science degree in physics and chemistry from the University of Wales, as well as a medical degree, also from Oxford. He was a member of the Royal College of Surgeons and the Royal College of Physicians. To call him highly educated was something of an understatement. He clearly admired Canon Lilley and greatly respected his learning and had no doubt whatsoever that Lilley had been accurately describing the document, or documents, he had seen during that trip to Paris. We needed to study Lilley and see if we could glean any further information about the material concerning Jesus and determine who at the Seminary of Saint Sulpice and the Vatican might have had an interest in it.

[good point]

Maybe, an entire generation along with their youth was murdered in a rebellion of lies about godliness. For their dissent against the establishment, for calling themselves the future (not tradition of past lives, religion). For reasoning against injustice, in society and culturally. Socioeconomics devising divides that were being absolved by followers of the Christ, with religious dedication. The dedication religion institutionalizes in men is addictive as it has been called a dope for dopes. Those that were reasonable and sensible, at that right place and time, now historically vague. As in masked men, vigilante, hero, etc. a war in which they were all of Jesus, they all were "criminals", being put to death. Christians worship the most notorious death row inmate. The prisoners of the Lord, or aren't without there being anything else to it, incidentally. Jesus isn't exonerated posthumously.

[gripreaper]

Even though the Archon's set out on a 2000 year campaign to completely destroy and obliterate the Gnostic truths, they were unable to do so, even after burning the library at Alexandria, and killing anyone who stood against Rome. They drove the Gnostic's to the far corners of the earth, yet the scrolls and the ancient truths from Atlantis survived and are held high up in the Himalayan monasteries.

Why the Archon's allowed this small remnant of the ancient truths to survive, is unclear, although I suspect it was allowed because Tibet was so remote and the Gnostics were so strong in the mysteries, that the Archon's could not fully destroy them or they no longer felt threatened by them as long as they remained remote and kept the mysteries to themselves.

But, the mysteries definitely were practiced by the Essenes, and both Yeshua and Magdalene were Essenes. The communities of Qumran and Mount Carmel were the main bastions of Essenes during the time Yeshua and Magdalene were on the planet, and they both took initiations in the sacred temples along the Nile in Egypt during what historian's consider the "lost years" of Jesus, between age 8 and 30. Yeshua also spent time in India and visited the monasteries deep in the Himalaya's and met Babaji, the immortal soul.

So, having taken a trip to Egypt in 2008, within the context of the "path of the initiate" along the Nile, as a backdrop whilst I observed the temples, one thing stuck out to me most auspiciously. The temple of Isis, on the island of Philae, was the only temple which had survived all antiquity unscathed and was perfectly pristine. The pristine nature of the feminine principle having survived unscathed, led me to conclude that the divine Sophia, the feminine receptive, the very nesting of creation to which the inertia of the masculine principle is thrust, has indeed held the foundation and is pure, clear, unmolested, and emergent, no matter how hard the Archon's tried to destroy it. It is the very basis of creation itself and remains intact and available. This is at the very core of Gnosticism.

Also, on each and every pillar in the courtyard as you entered the subsequent chambers on the way to the deepest chamber known as the holy of holies, were carvings of the Hathors.

See attachment below:

After finding these carvings all throughout Egypt, I was curious as to their significance, and it is said that the Hathors are an ascended civilization which has been where we are going and is available to assist should we choose to commune with them. I'm introducing them here, as I have never heard them mentioned at all at Avalon.

The direction I see this thread going is "Gnosis" as it is part of the thread title. The Hathors speak about prana and life force, how to generate it, husband it, preserve it, amplify it, and emanate it. The importance of strengthening the Ka body (spiritual body), as well as the Ba (physical body) are not mysteries which are hidden, but how to "spin" the energy in the MerKaBa is rarely mentioned. Also, the four aspects of focus (more on this later) and the ability of sound to manipulate matter, and the relationship of the four elements of earth, air, fire and water, and how we mirror them within our bodies, is essential.

We have twelve strands of DNA, with only the double helix of the serpent energy which spirals up the dijed, as active in most incarnates. We carry low energy in the lower chakras without activating the upper chakras through the heart, or running energy up and down the central column adjacent to the spine, while terrestrially grounded through the root and celestially connected through the crown. There are also seven layers of emanate energy bodies which radiate from our auric field, the rainbow bridge.

Listening to and feeling the subtle energies, and NOT being driven by the discordant polarized carnal feelings of the lower chakras, when disconnected in fear, anger and powerlessness, is righteousness, the "right use of energy" (see my signature tag line below)and is the basis for Gnosticism.

That is what Yeshua and Magdalene taught, the right use of energy. He did not die in the sense that his spiritual Ka body, which was so enlivened, that his vital signs in his Ba body could be suspended, and through the twelve light conceived initiate couples who held the space for him in the tomb, focused the energy and reanimated Yeshua's Ba body so he could emerge as whole. Magdalene helped Yeshua prepare the ground as they practiced the sex magic of the Magdalene order, which is the highest form of initiation into the mysteries on how to use energy in righteousness.

This is the great lesson which Yeshua taught. There is no death as death is an illusion, and we are immensely powerful, and through the right use of energy, following the gnostic teaching of the Essenes, and the initiates path in Egypt, as well as in the scrolls hidden in the monasteries in Tibet, and learning how to primarily sense the subtle signals from our chakras and our energy bodies, and secondarily managing the impulses and signals from our five physical carnal senses, is the path.

We can then move mountains, manifest with just a thought, bi-locate in an instant, transcend time and space, and be "at one" with all of creation. This is true gnosis

[1 flew over]

I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.


Guitarpikk: aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.

I do not have it anymore, so i cannot give specific discrepancies, and discrepancies compared with what? To have discrepancies, you have to have a comparative.

I read it all and remember enjoying it if I took it as a science fi book (i do like science fiction). But, contrarily to some science fiction books containing a large amount of truth, I thought Urantia book was rather not true. At the most, explaining another planet reality, but most probably just imagination.

Why? Because the woman who gave it to me had been part of a church, pretty high near the head of it, that promoted heavily the reading and usage of Urantia book. Yet, she was beating up children, had deep knowledge of herbal usage for nefarious purposes, used magic for her own benefit, was stealing and lying, name it (took me a while to see it, but there was no mistaking about this). I was sure that the precise book given to me had been charged with nefarious energies, so I threw it away.

Edit:

Bill, I remember while reading it finding a lots of references to the ordinary bible stories, twisted another way. Plus additions from imaginative people. As an example, I clearly remember that people were traveling in a sacz that were hanging down from huge birds (the tork stories, but for adult people), it was a mode of locomotion way way back. And all kind of stuff like this.

Hi Flash,

I just want to add my voice to yours on the Urantia book (a subject to be moved to another thread so as to not derail this one).

It has much right but a hidden agenda is palpable to my senses. The intuitive sense that it implants wrong intent in the reader made me put it down and never look for it again.

If we are to take the teachings of Jesus and Mary Magdalene at their core truth we must learn to trust our inner Self knowingness, tune into that for there are the keys. Our susceptibility to undesirable influences will only end when we truly know ourselves.

:focus:

I have never posted on this site so be gentle lol
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary [the wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. Gospel of Luke.
In chapter 24 of the gospel of Luke, there is an account of Jesus appearing to two people walking on the road to Emmaus after His resurrection. Luke 24:18 identifies one of the persons as "Cleopas" who is believed to be Mary's husband. Some biblical scholars speculate the other person with Cleopas on the road was his wife, Mary.
MARY CLEOPAS- CLEOPATRA
MARY MAGDALENE-
Mary Magdalene (original Greek Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνή),[2] or Mary of Magdala and sometimes The Magdalene, is a religious figure in Christianity. She has been called the second-most important woman in the New Testament after Mary the mother of Jesus.[3]
Magdala (Aramaic: מגדלא / Magdala, meaning "elegant", "great", or "tower" (viz. "great place"); Hebrew: מגדל / Migdal, meaning "
Cleopatra of Alexander was a Piso family member
The romans referred to her as the harlot
Cleopatra VII Philopator (Greek: Κλεοπάτρα Φιλοπάτωρ; Late 69 BC[1] – August 12, 30 BC), known to history as Cleopatra,[2][3] was the last pharaoh of Ancient Egypt. She was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, a family of Greek[4][5][6][7][8][9] origin that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great's death during the Hellenistic period.

Tower of Alexandria
Cleopatra of the Magdala=Mary of the Tower.



Spannera A friend and theologian that I was studying with mentioned the same thing about the Tower of Alexandria and Mary. She didn’t mention anything about Cleopatra. What was the reference you were using for what you put down? I would like to read it and bounce it off my friend. She also mentioned that Mary of Bethany was Jesus's nick name for his companion and closest apostle Mary Magdalene.

Be Well
1 Flew Over

[deridan]

the little that remains over in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, shows the start of the descent between Peter (the outer tradition) and Mary [M or ..of Bethany],
..mary of bethany, is the one with the brother Lazarus. Its clear from readings of the NT related to him (the HB&theHG also stage these passages to make clear elicitations taken from this), that Jesus could teach things to him he could not to the 12, infact Thomas knew as much and wanted to share in as much, & it is probable that the Gospel of John is infact the Gospel of Lazarus, ..the disciple whom Jesus loved.
I don't see the communication and sex of JandM as lurid, merely real. Divorce?, I question that. If as they say Barrabus, was not the criminal that the crowd had to choose to crucify, but infact Bar-rabbi, the son of the rabbi, then it follows, that for the family to be safe, you separate the target from the family -Jesus, allow it to flourish on one side, and have the head move to where it is most fruitful (where aryan teaching is flourishing, where the buddist and hindu teachings are flourishing),
the Goth communities were a safe place to flourish for the family, as the word for goth and jew were indistinguishable. Its also a good place, ..the roman empires centre collapses, and the power of motion is in the hands of the germanic, frankish and goth tribes. If as they say, the bloodline entwines with the Merovingians, then it makes sense the sacred regard for mystical powers of that line in the region, and why the warden when upsurging the weak Merovingian house in later times, Carolingian, refused the throne, makes quiet sense.

any case the smear campaign is quite sensible, smear the Magdalene as a prostitute... it seems to ride on common discreditations such as that of Eve. The catholic church seemed quite aware of this situation, assassinating King Dagobert, and whipping out the Cathar enlightenment.
Evangelicals are more enlightened when dealing with the bible, one of them, believe its Myles Monroe, looks at Adam more circumspectly. After Eve ate the apple, he could have chosen to abandon her, instead he choose to follow her, ..prior to this, remember he was conditioned in a mind frame of seeing her as more favourable to all his other intellectual capacities (the naming of the species) and powers [over the principalities]. The second Adam also chooses to save his church.

The reason I long to see the written works of the Master, his philosophies, his deductions, evaluations and clarifications of structures,
above his altruistic philosophy setting (in available NT), is because ....well have you see the writings attributed to Buddha, they are many, & we cannot claim to have had a master in the west, till those writings are thrown in the scale.

....another note, in the Sephirot, is the wisdom mercy side not the male one, and the understanding severity side the female one?
(lets not too take for granted that Yeshua would have been a scholar and primary philosopher in Kabalistic models)
apologies: Binah[.understanding.], Geburah[.severity.'catabolism'.], Hod[.glory.principle of concentration.] are the male side, and Chokmah[.wisdom.], Chesed[.mercy.principle of growth.], Netzach[.victory.principle of aesthetics] are the female side. Uniting the opposites as Yeshua said in parable, makes sense if we see him as 'adding' to these backdrops

[Finefeather]

Hi All...just a tiny post for your consideration.

From the Akashic records:...a man known as Jeshu (Jesus) was born. He was a high adept and disciple of the Planetary Hierarchy (White Lodge)...who are the guiders of the human race. Jeshu was prepared, in his early life, to have his body taken over by Christos, who is the planetary head of the 2nd aspect of the 3 aspects of the trinity...Will aspect(Motion)...Consciousness aspect(Unity/Love)...Material aspect(Matter).

At the time know as the baptism Christos occupied the body (transmigration) of Jeshu in an attempt to bring through esoteric truth from higher realms...beyond the astral/emotional...which is currently under the powerful influence of the Dark Lodge.

He taught true gnosticism to other disciples in secret to avoid interference from the Dark Lodge/Involutionary forces/Archons. What he taught was esoteric truths which the dark brothers wanted to prevent becoming public.

The powerful dark forces eventually got their hands on this information and turned it into the non sense we see today in all the major religions...also most of the philosophies today are based on this tarnished 'truth'...including those of the Indian 'gurus' and most other spiritual teachings. Anyone who basis their teaching on today's versions of gnosticism, mysticism, occultism, Indian philosophies, and clairvoyance(mediums), is on a suspect path...because they have all, with few exceptions, been very subtly twisted to keep us from the real path. Even favourites like Eckhart Tolle have been lead astray, despite the lovely little gems he drops in his books and talks.

Jeshu-Christos (Jesus) was a very real person. During the last centuries or so there have been other attempts to get real esoteric truth through to the public by the likes of Pythagoras, Blavatsky, Leadbeater, Besant and Bailey...unfortunately these writings have become suspect because of the work of the dark brothers who have, for many, convincingly turned them away from real truth...
So powerful are these dark ones that most people are not even aware that they are been duped by them, because they are far more mentally advanced that the majority of those who claim such advanced abilities.

These dark forces are only nullified when we attain consciousness beyond the human triad level...and this was the message which Jesus was attempting to bring to the masses. The parables are today the only source of his true message...but these are themselves hidden truths which have been stepped down to avoid interference from the dark brothers.

Take care
Ray

[Atlas]

Did Mary Magdalene receive or take from the sepulchre, on that first day of the week, the burial clothes of her beloved Jesus and did she take them home with her?


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The Codex Pray (1192-1195) shows the anointing of the body of Christ as he was being wrapped in the Shroud, and the discovery of the empty Shroud by Mary Magdalene.

Or is Chritian Doumergue right, that Mary Magdalene gained custody of the body of Jesus, and ensured this body received a proper burial?


22227
Mary Magdalene on her way to Marseille.
Reliquary kept in the Sainte Baume (Var, France)


Christian Doumergue, who argued that the “cave of Christ” should be searched for in or near Rennes-les-Bains (based on a manuscript known as “The Avenging of the Saviour”), said in an interview :

"The Great Work of the builders of the Myth of Rennes is to change - without our knowledge and subliminally - the way we see." (07/2013)

An interview with Christian Doumergue: rhedesium.com/interview-with-christian-doumergue (http://www.rhedesium.com/interview-with-christian-doumergue.html)

[ulli]

Whatever someone says about Facebook,
these days I'm getting info there that I haven't seen elsewhere.


http://beyondallreligion.net/2011/08/28/advisor-to-the-pope-exposes-bible-fraud-and-forgery/

Advisor to the pope exposes bible fraud and forgery.

"“Go to the Vatican Library today and look at the oldest manuscript that we have of the New Testament, which is known as the Codex Vaticanus’, and was probably one of the bibles commissioned by Constantine. Another one to look at is in the British Library called codex Sinaiticus’ which was discovered in Mount Sinai at St. Catherine’s Monastery.

Look at those two texts, both from the 4TH century, and try to find the famous story of Jesus rescuing the lady who is being stoned for adultery in John’s Gospel Chapter 8. It is a very powerful story, but it is not contained in either of those manuscripts, which means that story was inserted into the text of the New Testament for the first time at least as late as the 4th century if not later. I can give you a hundred other examples.”

[araucaria]

Whatever someone says about Facebook,
these days I'm getting info there that I haven't seen elsewhere.


http://beyondallreligion.net/2011/08/28/advisor-to-the-pope-exposes-bible-fraud-and-forgery/

Advisor to the pope exposes bible fraud and forgery.

"“Go to the Vatican Library today and look at the oldest manuscript that we have of the New Testament, which is known as the Codex Vaticanus’, and was probably one of the bibles commissioned by Constantine. Another one to look at is in the British Library called codex Sinaiticus’ which was discovered in Mount Sinai at St. Catherine’s Monastery.

Look at those two texts, both from the 4TH century, and try to find the famous story of Jesus rescuing the lady who is being stoned for adultery in John’s Gospel Chapter 8. It is a very powerful story, but it is not contained in either of those manuscripts, which means that story was inserted into the text of the New Testament for the first time at least as late as the 4th century if not later. I can give you a hundred other examples.”
The biggest Vatican forgery is the Donation of Constantine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine

(first time I've seen "https:" ??)

[Crazy Louie]

Isaiah 45:7 - to me any alien intervention represents demons - I think of Jesus as a friend who was saying "listen to what I am saying - be in this world but not of it" in other words to me this seems to say we are not "this" we are something else that belongs someplace else. I find it interesting that his greatist anger that is talked about is the money changers - no doubt the real reason he was taken down - money changers of course would evolve into the world banking system that now controls everything and of course the foul thing is its never been about the money its about the power that the money brings. Yet the reality beyond this system "they" invented and we all went along with is - What is money? What is gold? What is silver? - We have been brainwashed into all going along with the premise that it is of worth. When actually it's just "stuff" - I wonder if jesus lost it when he found the money changers at work not because he was seeing that moment in time but he had a knowledge of
what it was all going to become for the people of earth. You bring to light some interesting points of interest - thank you.

[Nat_Lee]

I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.

If you need to look inside of it, for research only, you can take a look in mine when you come at my place.
I know that my book is safe from bad magic !

I bought mine on internet but never read it ! :)

[Nat_Lee]

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I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted......


The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:

-- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
-- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
-- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
-- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
-- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
-- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.
[/LIST]

It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.


Summary: we're still in with a chance.


Thank you for this thread Bill !

I belive that Jesus have existed and also that he had children with Mary ! I find this subject very interesting to dig in !
Thank you for the references, now I have a lot to read ! (not shure I whant to thank you for that .... hahaaaaa)


I want to add this reference in french for those who are interested.

I have this book in my book shelf :

''L'homme qui devint Dieu''

From Gerald Messadié

It is a Book in french, that explain the view of the autor based on the Dead see scrools, apocryphal Gospels and other books....
Here is in french a summary that explains the book:

Source: http://www.radio-canada.ca/radio/bibliotheque/details.asp?numero=58391

Gérald Messadié nous présente sa biographie romancée de Jésus, basée sur les évangiles canoniques bien sûr, mais aussi sur les évangiles apocryphes, d'autres écrits contemporains à la vie de Jésus (ex.: les écrits de Flavius Josèphe) et les fameux PAPYRUS DE LA MER MORTE découverts au milieu du 20e siècle.

GOOGLE TRANSLATION:
Gerald Messadié presents his fictional biography of Jesus, based on the canonical gospels of course, but also the apocryphal gospels, other contemporary writings of Jesus' life (eg, the writings of Josephus) and the famous PAPYRUS OF DEAD SEA discovered in the mid 20th century.

I just started to read it and I don't have the knowledge about all this but it seems verry interesting !
Did someone, have read or heard about this book before, here on Avalon ?
Can you give me your impressions ? Just to know your thinking about it !
I will read it anyways ;)

[Flash]

I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.

If you need to look inside of it, for research only, you can take a look in mine when you come at my place.
I know that my book is safe from bad magic !

I bought mine on internet but never read it ! :)

It is good science fiction (Urantia), if you read it Under that theme, yes, it is fun. But I won't read it again, thanks Nat_Lee. lol

Also, thanks for the post of "l'homme qui devint Dieu" I will give it a look.

[Abductee S]

I post this link to another thread here in Project Avalon. It is very relevant to this discussion as it brings awareness to something remarkable that is happening now. The questions around Jesus and religion and the context of our lives and so much more are addressed in the thousands of pages of transcribed New Revelation. Each of these pages was first spoken by a man, a Messenger here now. Like Jesus, like Mohammad, like Buddha. They all were here to deliver great Teachings for those times and circumstances.

We are in a new time. With great, challenging circumstances that the entire world faces. This is what has called a new Messenger here. And through this Messenger, great awareness and wisdom. Great Blessings and warnings. This Revelation tells us that Jesus will not return here. Yet Jesus and the other great Messengers stand now, united with this new Messenger, for they all came into this world and returned from a greater realm that we all came from and will return to. Yet theirs is something different, for they are what are called the Angels. They are spiritual Beings who are the Teachers of God the Creator. The Angelic Assembly. They are the many that speak as One. They oversee the development of all worlds in the universe where sentient life has evolved and lives. They have revealed much about themselves in this new Revelation because that is also needed now. Humanity must see clearly and act with wisdom and certainty.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad

[Marin]

Margaret Starbird's account of Mary Magdalene:

"Interest in the Mary "called Magdalene" in the canonical Christian Gospels of the Greek New Testament has blossomed in the last decades. Who was this Mary, this "other Mary" who was so devoted to Jesus that her presence is reported in all four Gospels at the cross and at the tomb. Who was she, and why was she called "the Magdalene" (h Magdalhnh in Greek). This distinctive epithet of Mary Magdalene is found in all four of the canonical Gospels and in the Gnostic Gospel of Philip discovered at Nag Hammadi in 1945.

Until recently the traditional reply asserts that this "other Mary" was a prostitute from Magdala, a small fishing town located on the western shore to the Sea of Galilee, a town that the Hebrew Talmud says was "destroyed for prostitution." It seems incredible that the most beloved and loyal disciple of Jesus should be said to be from a town with a reputation for loose morals! I would like to discuss here the actual source of Mary Magdalene's extraordinary epithet.

The Aramaic word Magdala means "tower" or "fortress." In Hebrew, the word is spelled mgdl and migdol. The title "Magdalene" implies greatness, exaltation, elevation, and pre-eminence. And in fact, on seven of the eight lists in the New Testament that mention women who followed Jesus, Mary "the Magdalene" is mentioned first. In Matthew 28 we read that on the morning after the Sabbath Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" went to see the sepulcher. Who is "First Lady" here? Clearly it is Mary Magdalene who has pre-eminence in the early community whose stories are recorded in the Gospels.

For several historical reasons, I do not believe that Mary was from the town of Magdala. In the period of Greek and Roman hegemony in Galilee, the town now known as "Magdala" was called "Taricheae," a Greek name meaning "place of dried fish." According to Josephus, writing in his books about Jewish history, the town was strongly influenced by Hellenistic culture and mores and even sported a hippodrome for chariot races during Biblical times, until its total destruction by the Romans in AD 67. A new town was later built over the ruins of Taricheae, and was called "Magdala Nunnayah," a name mean "Tower of the Fishes" in Aramaic. But during the lifetime of the woman named Mary who anointed Jesus at a banquet and Bethany and later met him resurrected in the Garden on Easter morning, the town was called Taricheae. This is attested in numerous Roman and Jewish records, including several mentions in Josephus.

It appears probable that in trying to discover the source of Mary's distinctive epithet, enthusiastic converts went looking for a town for Mary to have been born in. Not realizing the first century history of the town of Magdala Nunnayah, they decided that she must have come from this town in Galilee which was destroyed for "prostitution." In Jewish tradition, "prostitution" was often ascribed to communities that worshipped foreign gods and was synonymous with "idolatry."

But Greek and Latin speaking converts would not have understood that the town they knew as "Magdala" had a history of adopting Hellenistic mores during the period of Greek hegemony over the region, beginning in about 300 BC, prompting the Jews to attribute "prostitution" to the town's reputation prior to its destruction.

Adding to the confusion of the meaning of Magdalene's title is the conflation of Mary Magdalene with the Mary who anointed Jesus at the banquet at the house of Simon in Bethany, just a few days before the Crucifixion.

All four Gospels of the New Testament tell the story of the anointing of Jesus by a woman, a literal re-enactment of nuptial rites of ancient pagan fertility cults of "Sacred Marriage" celebrated throughout the Mediterranean Basin. Only Luke transplants this story from Bethany, located on the prophetically significant Mount of Olives, to an unnamed town in Galilee, calling the woman who anointed Jesus "a sinner from the town." Luke does not use the word for prostitute in his indictment of the woman, but her loose hair, with which she dries her tears from his feet, implied that her sin was one of loose behavior.

Ignoring the testimony of the other three Gospels, the Church has allowed Mary Magdalene to be slandered as a prostitute for nearly two millennia, thereby stealing her power and silencing her voice. In 1969 the Roman Catholic calendar of Saints' feast days was revised, separating Mary of Bethany from Mary "Magdalene"--thereby splitting the role of the anointing woman in two.

It is my personal conviction that the woman who anointed Jesus at the banquet at Bethany and "wiped his feet with her hair"--Mary of Bethany in John 12--was the same woman who went to anoint his corpse on Easter morning and met him resurrected--Mary Magdalene in John 20. In ancient mythologies of the hieros gamos, it is the Bride who anoints the Bridegroom King, and it is again the Bride who meets him three days later resurrected in the garden. A similar archetypal story celebrating the eternal return of the Life Force is ubiquitous throughout the Middle East in the cults of Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Aphrodite, Cybele. In the Gospels, Jesus and Mary Magdalene incarnate this "never-ending story" on the physical/historical plane.

source: http://www.margaretstarbird.net/mary_called_magdalene.html


Who is Margret Starbird?
"Margaret Starbird's theological beliefs were profoundly shaken when she first encountered the suggestion that Jesus Christ was married and that his blood-line had survived in Western Europe. Shocked by such heresy, this Roman Catholic scholar and former University instructor set out to refute it, but instead found compelling evidence in support of the forgotten Bride of Jesus.

Starbird's research traces the origin of the heresy of the Holy Grail, whose medieval adherents believed that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and that his wife and child emigrated to Gaul, fleeing persecutions of the Christain community in first-century Jerusalem. Numerous legends, works of art, and artifacts of medieval Europe clearly reflect a widespread "alternative Christian story" brutally suppressed by the Inquisition from the mid-13th Century. The heresy survived in an underground stream of esoteric wisdom guarded and passed down by generations of artists, artisans, poets, and alchemists."

Margaret Starbird has authored 7 books that chronicle Mary Magdalene and the Divine Feminine.

[Sirius White]

Hello Bill I have quite a bit to say about this. When I'm not tired I will be back :)

[WhiteFeather]

Great excerpt from your link below Bill. This could give some relevance to the proverbial rabbit hole and the red pill. Hence The Matrix. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us on the topic thread of Jesus. Im taking it all in. And its resonating.

(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html

[CD7]

Interesting snipets whitefeather.... But really who KNOWS who wrote this, how authentic it is, how much has it been twisted? However some points popped out...


114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

This one is questionable Aye? Perhaps some of these words have been misrepresented not in its right context? "in order to make her male?" hummmm

(113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

YES yes! Its not seen!! Its here! Its potential has always been here



(54) Jesus said, "Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of heaven


Well HALLELUJAH!!! Im poor BRING IT ON! :)

94) Jesus said, "He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in."

KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK... can WE come in?




(37) His disciples said, "When will you become revealed to us and when shall we see you?"
Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then will you see the son of the living one, and you will not be afraid"

BOTTOMS UP....lets all get buck naked lol!

(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."


Hummm the wonder of wonders! Yes lets switch this up shall we!...spirit becoming through body---I am waiting for this wonder of wonders

(19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

Is there perhaps a possibility anyone knows about these FIVE TREES in paradise??? Because if you are acquainted can u PLZ SHARE :)

[Jayke]

(19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

Is there perhaps a possibility anyone knows about these FIVE TREES in paradise??? Because if you are acquainted can u PLZ SHARE :)

That last sentence 'Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death' is most likely a reference to the ending of Karma. A similar idea is found in the Complete Enlightenment sutra where the Buddha is discussing with his bodhisattvas how to help people end their suffering through ending the cycle of karma.

Since gnosticism shared similar ideals and beliefs to the eastern Buddhist traditions the 5 trees probably represent the 5 Skhandas, the following is from Bill Bodris eBook Measuring Meditation.


In order to understand someone else’s stage of cultivation accomplishment, or your own, it is
very important to understand what the ancient Indians termed the five skandhas. The five
skandhas can be translated from the Sanskrit in several ways: the five aggregates, collections,
groupings, piles, heaps, elements, classes or clusters. In Chinese, the five aggregates are known
as the five yun, which means the five shadows or coverings, and in Tibetan they are known as the
phung-po nga. They are a means for describing the entire path and step-by-step process of
cultivation progress.

In technical terms, the five skandhas are an analytical means for describing the total psychophysical
personality that we call the self, yet without the need of postulating an internal soul or
individual. In other words, the five aggregates are the true component factors which “make up
the individual.” They describe the nature of the individual human existence, so we can
colloquially say that they make up the self. All the experiences we can possibly encounter—
forms, sensations, impulses, concepts, and even consciousness—all these things are classified by
the five skandhas under the appropriate skandha category. Since the five skandhas embrace every
type of experience we can possibly encounter—including every experience we are encountering
at this very moment—they are a classification system that describes the composition of our
experiential being.

To put it differently, what we call the “self” is actually an agglomeration of five different event
types, or skandhas. There is no real ego or true self within these event types, for there are only
the skandhas operating without any “real person” inside them. The world of ever-flowing
skandha experiences is sort of like a big soup of chemical reactions automatically evolving back
and forth, or like a big net of feedback linked causes and effects. What happens is that pure
awareness locks onto these skandha events, ignorantly imputes an isolated and limited self within
them through a form of polluted fascination, and becomes so enamored of the falsity it has
created that awareness turns away from its original pure nature.

[CD7]

(19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

Is there perhaps a possibility anyone knows about these FIVE TREES in paradise??? Because if you are acquainted can u PLZ SHARE :)

That last sentence 'Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death' is most likely a reference to the ending of Karma. A similar idea is found in the Complete Enlightenment sutra where the Buddha is discussing with his bodhisattvas how to help people end their suffering through ending the cycle of karma.

Since gnosticism shared similar ideals and beliefs to the eastern Buddhist traditions the 5 trees probably represent the 5 Skhandas, the following is from Bill Bodris eBook Measuring Meditation.


In order to understand someone else’s stage of cultivation accomplishment, or your own, it is
very important to understand what the ancient Indians termed the five skandhas. The five
skandhas can be translated from the Sanskrit in several ways: the five aggregates, collections,
groupings, piles, heaps, elements, classes or clusters. In Chinese, the five aggregates are known
as the five yun, which means the five shadows or coverings, and in Tibetan they are known as the
phung-po nga. They are a means for describing the entire path and step-by-step process of
cultivation progress.

In technical terms, the five skandhas are an analytical means for describing the total psychophysical
personality that we call the self, yet without the need of postulating an internal soul or
individual. In other words, the five aggregates are the true component factors which “make up
the individual.” They describe the nature of the individual human existence, so we can
colloquially say that they make up the self. All the experiences we can possibly encounter—
forms, sensations, impulses, concepts, and even consciousness—all these things are classified by
the five skandhas under the appropriate skandha category. Since the five skandhas embrace every
type of experience we can possibly encounter—including every experience we are encountering
at this very moment—they are a classification system that describes the composition of our
experiential being.

To put it differently, what we call the “self” is actually an agglomeration of five different event
types, or skandhas. There is no real ego or true self within these event types, for there are only
the skandhas operating without any “real person” inside them. The world of ever-flowing
skandha experiences is sort of like a big soup of chemical reactions automatically evolving back
and forth, or like a big net of feedback linked causes and effects. What happens is that pure
awareness locks onto these skandha events, ignorantly imputes an isolated and limited self within
them through a form of polluted fascination, and becomes so enamored of the falsity it has
created that awareness turns away from its original pure nature.


yes thanks Jayke...Its not a mystery that these writings/scriptures have multiple levels and meanings....

This may be related but it is also mentions the trees ..


which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

I suppose this could be analogy to the elements not disturbing you?...but one always wonders if there is an actual "physical" representation tht this could speak to OR it could be complete rubbish! LOL

[Jayke]

Mastery of the skhandas certainly makes one imperturbable to any changing phenomena of the external world.

But for those that have the eyes to see and ears to hear, the physical representation, the trees then most likely represent the branching fibres of the sensory nervous system that gives rise to the illusory world of maya. That's my guess at least.

and if the trees do represent the physical body then it fits into the theme he's talking about in the rest of the quotes above.

A quick google search reveals there is a 5 pair of nerves that run from the sacral and lumbar region of the spine, could have a connection to the spine then possibly? With the sacrum as the source of the kundalini energy that needs to be risen through the rest of the system.

[PurpleLama]

Margaret Starbird's account of Mary Magdalene:

"Interest in the Mary "called Magdalene" in the canonical Christian Gospels of the Greek New Testament has blossomed in the last decades. Who was this Mary, this "other Mary" who was so devoted to Jesus that her presence is reported in all four Gospels at the cross and at the tomb. Who was she, and why was she called "the Magdalene" (h Magdalhnh in Greek). This distinctive epithet of Mary Magdalene is found in all four of the canonical Gospels and in the Gnostic Gospel of Philip discovered at Nag Hammadi in 1945.

Until recently the traditional reply asserts that this "other Mary" was a prostitute from Magdala, a small fishing town located on the western shore to the Sea of Galilee, a town that the Hebrew Talmud says was "destroyed for prostitution." It seems incredible that the most beloved and loyal disciple of Jesus should be said to be from a town with a reputation for loose morals! I would like to discuss here the actual source of Mary Magdalene's extraordinary epithet.

The Aramaic word Magdala means "tower" or "fortress." In Hebrew, the word is spelled mgdl and migdol. The title "Magdalene" implies greatness, exaltation, elevation, and pre-eminence. And in fact, on seven of the eight lists in the New Testament that mention women who followed Jesus, Mary "the Magdalene" is mentioned first. In Matthew 28 we read that on the morning after the Sabbath Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" went to see the sepulcher. Who is "First Lady" here? Clearly it is Mary Magdalene who has pre-eminence in the early community whose stories are recorded in the Gospels.

For several historical reasons, I do not believe that Mary was from the town of Magdala. In the period of Greek and Roman hegemony in Galilee, the town now known as "Magdala" was called "Taricheae," a Greek name meaning "place of dried fish." According to Josephus, writing in his books about Jewish history, the town was strongly influenced by Hellenistic culture and mores and even sported a hippodrome for chariot races during Biblical times, until its total destruction by the Romans in AD 67. A new town was later built over the ruins of Taricheae, and was called "Magdala Nunnayah," a name mean "Tower of the Fishes" in Aramaic. But during the lifetime of the woman named Mary who anointed Jesus at a banquet and Bethany and later met him resurrected in the Garden on Easter morning, the town was called Taricheae. This is attested in numerous Roman and Jewish records, including several mentions in Josephus.

It appears probable that in trying to discover the source of Mary's distinctive epithet, enthusiastic converts went looking for a town for Mary to have been born in. Not realizing the first century history of the town of Magdala Nunnayah, they decided that she must have come from this town in Galilee which was destroyed for "prostitution." In Jewish tradition, "prostitution" was often ascribed to communities that worshipped foreign gods and was synonymous with "idolatry."

But Greek and Latin speaking converts would not have understood that the town they knew as "Magdala" had a history of adopting Hellenistic mores during the period of Greek hegemony over the region, beginning in about 300 BC, prompting the Jews to attribute "prostitution" to the town's reputation prior to its destruction.

Adding to the confusion of the meaning of Magdalene's title is the conflation of Mary Magdalene with the Mary who anointed Jesus at the banquet at the house of Simon in Bethany, just a few days before the Crucifixion.

All four Gospels of the New Testament tell the story of the anointing of Jesus by a woman, a literal re-enactment of nuptial rites of ancient pagan fertility cults of "Sacred Marriage" celebrated throughout the Mediterranean Basin. Only Luke transplants this story from Bethany, located on the prophetically significant Mount of Olives, to an unnamed town in Galilee, calling the woman who anointed Jesus "a sinner from the town." Luke does not use the word for prostitute in his indictment of the woman, but her loose hair, with which she dries her tears from his feet, implied that her sin was one of loose behavior.

Ignoring the testimony of the other three Gospels, the Church has allowed Mary Magdalene to be slandered as a prostitute for nearly two millennia, thereby stealing her power and silencing her voice. In 1969 the Roman Catholic calendar of Saints' feast days was revised, separating Mary of Bethany from Mary "Magdalene"--thereby splitting the role of the anointing woman in two.

It is my personal conviction that the woman who anointed Jesus at the banquet at Bethany and "wiped his feet with her hair"--Mary of Bethany in John 12--was the same woman who went to anoint his corpse on Easter morning and met him resurrected--Mary Magdalene in John 20. In ancient mythologies of the hieros gamos, it is the Bride who anoints the Bridegroom King, and it is again the Bride who meets him three days later resurrected in the garden. A similar archetypal story celebrating the eternal return of the Life Force is ubiquitous throughout the Middle East in the cults of Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Aphrodite, Cybele. In the Gospels, Jesus and Mary Magdalene incarnate this "never-ending story" on the physical/historical plane.

source: http://www.margaretstarbird.net/mary_called_magdalene.html


Who is Margret Starbird?
"Margaret Starbird's theological beliefs were profoundly shaken when she first encountered the suggestion that Jesus Christ was married and that his blood-line had survived in Western Europe. Shocked by such heresy, this Roman Catholic scholar and former University instructor set out to refute it, but instead found compelling evidence in support of the forgotten Bride of Jesus.

Starbird's research traces the origin of the heresy of the Holy Grail, whose medieval adherents believed that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and that his wife and child emigrated to Gaul, fleeing persecutions of the Christain community in first-century Jerusalem. Numerous legends, works of art, and artifacts of medieval Europe clearly reflect a widespread "alternative Christian story" brutally suppressed by the Inquisition from the mid-13th Century. The heresy survived in an underground stream of esoteric wisdom guarded and passed down by generations of artists, artisans, poets, and alchemists."

Margaret Starbird has authored 7 books that chronicle Mary Magdalene and the Divine Feminine.


Quite similarly in the sense of linguistic sleight of hand, we have Jesus of Nazareth, as opposed to Jesus the Nazirite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazirite), Nazarite, Nazarene, etc.

My apologies if this has been illustrated earlier in this thread, I confess to not having read it in entirety.

[ThresholdRising]

Mastery of the skhandas certainly makes one imperturbable to any changing phenomena of the external world.

But for those that have the eyes to see and ears to hear, the physical representation, the trees then most likely represent the branching fibres of the sensory nervous system that gives rise to the illusory world of maya. That's my guess at least.

and if the trees do represent the physical body then it fits into the theme he's talking about in the rest of the quotes above.

A quick google search reveals there is a 5 pair of nerves that run from the sacral and lumbar region of the spine, could have a connection to the spine then possibly? With the sacrum as the source of the kundalini energy that needs to be risen through the rest of the system.

Then their is the cranial nerves, which are a nerve system for internal organs amongst other things. The top set of the cranial nerves is smell. The olfactory bulbs (smell nerves) are processed in the limbic system, the emotional centre of the brain. Interestingly enough it was discovered that there are scent smells through the body, including the mouth, lungs, heart, digestive system and testes. These nerves are very close to the pituatary gland in the brain.

The second set is for sight. The information of the nerves that comes from the eyes goes in two directions and is process in the r complex (most primitive part of the brain) and the neocortex. The part of the brain that process sight is right behind and connected to the pineal gland.

Read this before going further about the eye of horus - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60681-Eye-of-Horus-as-a-perceptual-map

There seems to be some higher circuit available here external and internal. I believe that the body can be turned into a sort of energy emitter that kind of works like a cathode ray tube that you find in old tvs, the energy created be the cranial nerves being drawn out and then accelrated by the external nervous system.

You could almost do your own death and resurrection with this information, of course if you see the death and resurrection as a metaphor, there are countless ways of doing this.

And maybe even "As above, so below. As within, so without". Of course so many of these myths, terms, phrases, etc can be applied to processes that exist on so many levels, even making it easier to percieve some of these patterns of existance.

[Nat_Lee]

I would really like to meet this guy (Jesus) one day ! :)

[Atlas]

Is there perhaps a possibility anyone knows about these FIVE TREES in paradise??? Because if you are acquainted can u PLZ SHARE

Olive trees in the Jerusalem garden where Jesus Christ prayed before he was crucified have "miraculously" lived through the past nine centuries bacteria-free, according to a molecular research carried by a team from Italy's National Research Council (CNR) and various Italian universities.

The research found that three of the eight healthy trees (the only ones on which it was technically possible to carry out the dating) come from 1092, 1166 and 1198), although the roots underground are certainly much older.

DNA analysis of the eight trees revealed they were all related to a single, older tree. "All eight trees have similar genetic profiles, meaning they are olive 'twins,' all children of a single specimen" lead researcher Antonio Cimato of the CNR's Tree and Timber Institute in Florence, said.

(source: news.discovery.com/earth/olive-trees-jesus-121022.htm (http://news.discovery.com/earth/olive-trees-jesus-121022.htm))

[kanishk]

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http://www.sendspace.com/file/cdelfa
or
http://projectavalon.net/Jesus_and_Mary_Magdalene_related_books_articles_and_videos.zip

Zip file contents (137 Mb):

I have downloaded Zip file from both links but only eight pdf's and two videos got extracted. And says 'The file name, directory name, or volume name syntax is incorrect'. I used the latest WinZip to extract the files but still the problem is there. Is this because currently I am having slower internet connection that the files get corrupted while downloading and could not be extracted therefore.

[WhiteFeather]

I would really like to meet this guy (Jesus) one day ! :)

You can meet him in spirit. All you must do is focus intent whilst opening all your windows and doors wholeheartedly. He will then enter. It takes practice. But it works.

[Finefeather]

Hi Bill
This post is so important I had to post it here as well...So...sorry if it displeases some :)

I have to bump this part of your post, because it is the best summary of the situation I have ever read in my entire life...thank you for it.
I would like to suggest that you put this up on the front page of Avalon...and leave it there! The dark ones who are responsible for the chaos in the world MUST know that we are onto them and this could be our biggest statement to date...right in their face.

I would tend to be more optimistic than you have cautiously stated..."we're still in with a chance".
Despite the seeming death grip we are in, we only hear of one side of the story...'their' side...it is time to gather and consolidate our resources and become the unity we know, inside us, we should pursue.

Love to you
Ray


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The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?
[/LIST]

Here are my provocative (to some) suggestions as a series of answers to the last question. Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.


The Essenes, with whom Jesus studied, knew all about the Book of Enoch, which was a centrally important reference document for them. It was widely known about and read at that time. This too had completely disappeared from history until it was rediscovered in Ethiopia in 1773 (and an original Aramaic version was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls more recently).


The Book of Enoch, a huge topic in itself, warns of the takeover of the planet by the Archons -- non-human, off-planet entities that crave power and control. It was the Archons, of course (then in human form, because they take over people in positions of power) who banned and burned all the books and identified Jesus and his teachings as a particular threat. In that sense, Jesus may have been the world's first major whistleblower, and paid the price for his stance.


Jay Weidner writes very clearly about this. See this important summary article (http://jayweidner.com/Archons.html) (a Jeff Rense interview transcript).


Besides warning about the planetary takeover, Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.

Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.


Mary Magdalene ('Mariamne Mara' -- in Greek, 'Mary the Master') was Jesus' main supporter and advocate, and was also his wife. She was charged with the responsibility of making sure the real story was known.

Jesus survived the crucifixion, and he and Mary both fled to Egypt until 37 AD when Jesus later returned to Kashmir and Mary sailed to Narbonne with her child or children, where she was taken care of in a Jewish community based in Rennes-les-Bains (just a few miles from Rennes-le-Chateau, where in 1890 the local priest Bérenger Saunière discovered incontrovertible proof that (among much else) Jesus was still alive in 45 AD, and was paid a large sum by the Vatican to keep this information secret).


Mary lived in that community until something like 54-55 AD, but made a critically important error of judgment in trusting someone she should not have, was betrayed, and vitally important documents that she was safeguarding were stolen. This incident was one of several major turning points of history.


Mary was subsequently vilified, minimized and marginalized by the early Church, branded as a repentant prostitute rather than the teacher, leader, healer and chosen messenger that she was. This malicious lie was deliberately widespread.

What happened to Jesus was the world's first major disinfo campaign, and what happened to Mary was the world's first major smear campaign.


The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:

-- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
-- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
-- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
-- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
-- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
-- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.


It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.


Summary: we're still in with a chance.

[eaglespirit]

I would really like to meet this guy (Jesus) one day ! :)

You can meet him in spirit. All you must do is focus intent whilst opening all your windows and doors wholeheartedly. He will then enter. It takes practice. But it works.

...and so it IS

Just tune in and dial : )
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EBmpqCL3evc/SzG4j5WXeLI/AAAAAAAADPw/jaseblCcz0E/s400/et-speak-and-spell.jpg

[ROMANWKT]

The biggest reason why I don't participate in this post and others, because there is so much assumption involving hundreds of other peoples works. So what could be the whole of Jesus work be?? that has been removed, and that telling the truth in those days the penalty would be death, wherever Jesus got the truth from, from whichever country he may of had been, there were only 7 truths, that these countries had one source of these truth, and where they came from, all of the missing truths are easily available, as these truths stem from beyond of the time of Egypt, and they came from antiquity which HERMES TRISMEGISTUS excelled in, and this knowledge was being destroyed especially by the Roman church, and all works have been perverted to today's nonsense.

Therefore read the knowledge that Jesus had, and don't drop these 56 pages until you are sure that you understand them to the very best of your ability.


22244

This gesture was caught on a wax photographic paper from those days, as to his feeling towards the Roman Church


22245

The Golden rule is one of the most memorable saying of Jesus " do unto other as you would have them do unto you" but there were more than that he had learnt which had been removed, or hidden by religion, especially by TPTB, which surly shows that there is a universal law that completely conflicts with the mans law that they are forcing humanity to adhere too.


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Warmest regards to all
roman

[CD7]

Is there perhaps a possibility anyone knows about these FIVE TREES in paradise??? Because if you are acquainted can u PLZ SHARE

Olive trees in the Jerusalem garden where Jesus Christ prayed before he was crucified have "miraculously" lived through the past nine centuries bacteria-free, according to a molecular research carried by a team from Italy's National Research Council (CNR) and various Italian universities.

The research found that three of the eight healthy trees (the only ones on which it was technically possible to carry out the dating) come from 1092, 1166 and 1198), although the roots underground are certainly much older.

DNA analysis of the eight trees revealed they were all related to a single, older tree. "All eight trees have similar genetic profiles, meaning they are olive 'twins,' all children of a single specimen" lead researcher Antonio Cimato of the CNR's Tree and Timber Institute in Florence, said.

(source: news.discovery.com/earth/olive-trees-jesus-121022.htm (http://news.discovery.com/earth/olive-trees-jesus-121022.htm))


Interesting piece of information....I searched to see if there was information on the trees leaves or something to the effect of them not being bothered by the elements--weather, but nothing in such detail came up. Nice tht it was noted to be unaffected by bacteria, though.
Apparently olive trees can last a long time. There are others in other countries whose trees have lasted 2000 years. So is Jesus trying to tell us olives will give us everlasting life?...hehe

[gripreaper]

-- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.

This is what we must demonstrate and exemplify. Speak your truth in all things.

[Christine]

-- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.

This is what we must demonstrate and exemplify. Speak your truth in all things.

Let me say that again! SPEAK YOUR TRUTH IN ALL THINGS.

(I am with everyone here who has stated the importance of this thread. It is THE important thread. For days I have been struggling with how to put to words that which lives in me... it is summed up by the above five words.)

[Roisin]

I have great interest in the topic of this thread. I can't say that I'm in agreement with everything that Bill says in his first post here but I will say that at least in Catholic academic environments, there's much open mindedness in those discussions that are going on there on a lot of what Bill covered in his first post here. No doubt about it, we indeed live in interesting times! Personally, I find it very exciting!

[Atlas]

I'd highly recommend reading THE JESUS PAPERS by Michael Baigent (especially Chapters 2 and 13, which contain extraordinary material).

Chapter 2: "the most curious of all is Station 14. This is traditionally the last of the series illustrating Jesus being placed in the tomb prior to the resurrection. [...] But the painted background reveals the time as night. In the sky beyond the figures, the full moon has risen. If the full moon has risen, it would mean that the Passover has begun."

"This is significant because no Jew would have handled a dead body after the beginning of the Passover, as this would have rendered him ritually unclean. This variation of the fourteenth station suggests two important points: that the body the figures are carrying is still alive, and that Jesus — or his substitute on the cross—has survived the crucifixion. Moreover, it suggests that the body is not being placed in the tomb, but rather, that it is being carried out, secretly, under the cover of night."


http://www.cathares.org/P16-13-02a-rennes-le-chateau.jpg
Station 14 in Rennes-le-Chateau

"It is important to note that the Stations of the Cross at Rennes le Château were painted under the direct supervision of Abbé Saunière. He appears to be telling us that he knows —or at least believes—that Jesus survived the crucifixion. [...] Station 14 as it is depicted on the wall of this church serves as an eloquent testimony to a secret heretical knowledge that once lay in the hands of a priest in deepest rural France."



http://thebibleisnotholy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/the-jesus-papers-exposing-the-greatest-cover-up-in-history-2006.pdf

[Atlas]

Jay Weidner's article RISE OF THE ARCHONS is from his website, in turn a transcript from a radio interview with Jeff Rense. It's a very valuable, succinct summary of the likely situation.

Here is the audio interview : RISE OF THE ARCHONS - Jay Weidner Rense interview 4/8/11

Part 1 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3

Part 2 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3

Here is the article on his website : www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html (http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html)

[Atlas]

James M. Robinson - The Nag Hammadi Library - 1990.pdf


From James M. Robinson, The Nag Hammadi Library, 1990 (gnosis.org/.../hypostas.html (http://gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html))

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/NagHammadi.pdf
Download PDF (141K) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/NagHammadi.pdf)

[Bill Ryan]

Jay Weidner's article RISE OF THE ARCHONS is from his website, in turn a transcript from a radio interview with Jeff Rense. It's a very valuable, succinct summary of the likely situation.

Here is the audio interview : RISE OF THE ARCHONS - Jay Weidner Rense interview 4/8/11

Part 1 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3

Part 2 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3

Here is the article on his website : www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html (http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html)


Thank you! I'd been wanting to find the original audio. Here are the files to download:


http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3

[Amysenthia]

Hi Bill,

After reading your summation I agree with what you have written. I base my opinion on over 35 years of research and reading various texts. (Including the Urantia text which is a completely fraudulent book and should be disregarded by everyone).

I also reference my personal past life regression to the time during which I lived amongst the Essenes and interacted with the man Jesus, or "Yesuha" as he was called during the regression; to a past life in the Essenes. (I know my personal past life regression does not mean a hill of beans to most. As I also take with a grain of salt when people speak of their past life regressions, channeled messages, etc.) I am just relaying what is my personal experience when hearing references to the life of the man known as Jesus and what I experienced during PLR and the memory of the interaction that I had in that life. I have also experienced during an important period in my life a Vision/Visitation from what I know was the spirit that most would call Jesus. (Yes I know how that sounds to most people and no I am not under medical care for having delusions of grandueur.) This was a deeply personal experience that I rarely share with anyone but I come from a Cherokee tradition in which most young adults go through this.

Since I believe this is an absolutely important topic that has ramifications that are critically important to the WORLD. I just want to share why I feel that what you are saying here Bill resonates with me to be 100% true. People need to know the truth before they can begin to understand what is happening to the planet before it is too late.

The second coming that is so often spoke of by those that are part of the current Biblical thinking is not going to happen as those people believe. Jesus is not going to return on a cloud to make everything right. As much as I wish this would be true. However, the Chirst'os which many call the Christ spirit which is what Yeshua was an incarnation of, and which all enlightened beings incarnate when Nirvana/enlightenment is reached, is a real state that we as a human race must obtain in order to survive what is being planned and implemented by the Archons.

The story presented by Gordon Duff, of Veteran's Today explains what you are referring to.

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This is what we all being warned about and is happening as we speak. We can only survive this as a planet when enough wake up to the truth and decide to live in a different way. Only when enough have reached the critical mass of what I will refer to as "An Enlightenment", will the general population which lives in a dream like , denial type existence which is fear based; be able to wake up and acknowledge the truth. Then maybe we of the human race on this planet earth can begin to change the course of what is happening.

I do feel that we are in the homestretch of the take over and it is now critically important that we that do "KNOW" start to walk the walk and do all we can to bring about the change that is necessary. The signs are everywhere for those that can see!!

The first and most important thing that must be done is GET THE TRUTH OUT. This Bill you and project Avalon along with Kerry at Project Camelot have been a crucial part of and I deeply thank you for all that you have done. You are comparable to one of the apostles of Jesus in this respect and I am sure you are piling up special Karma for your endeavors.

Peace be with you and best wishes Always!

Sandra

[CD7]

A great deal of Stuff in the last few posts....ALOT of which is already known and also the same MEME of good verses evil with MANY interchangeable NAMES/TITLES. Hoe Hum...ingesting this information over and over makes me ponder--What am I--WE getting out of this really? More interchangeable positions, dates, people, aliens...---However trying to look at it from a different perspective can yield a different light perhaps....

Glancing through the hypostasis of the archons...rereading parts of the adam/eve story, I have to chuckle as anyone with children--pets! knows that you place them in a room and tell them NOT TO TOUCH something THAT WILL BE THE FIRST THING THEY GO AFTER. Going from being naked to not being able to? Did they all of sudden turn into animals? And got grossed out? So many details missing ALWAYS---whts new mr magoo?

[Delight]

A great deal of Stuff in the last few posts....ALOT of which is already known and also the same MEME of good verses evil with MANY interchangeable NAMES/TITLES. .........So many details missing ALWAYS---whts new mr magoo?

I think I read here a conviction that it is superfluous to keep arguing over the meme of duality? If so That is what I sense. The more I FEEL that I AM connected to a CHRIST POV (???? Let us call it that????), the more relaxed and unworried I feel in my body.

There is something that literally feels like touch: so powerfully irreverent and gentle and not opinionated: no gall, only humor and love welling up for the Divine in all that exists: In us and around us. This is Beloved looking in the eyes of Beloved (and cannot even SEE anything else). The more I feel this FORCE, the stronger my backbone feels.

I am grateful for this and it makes light of any dark corners of my heart

Transformation of Duality
with The Hello I AM Awake 5th Element project
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Extinction of the Predator
© Simon Welsh Poetry 6th November 2010

For many years predators had ruled the planet Earth;
From dinosaur to spider mite, the planet gave them birth.
But human beings differed in a myriad of ways,
And this they demonstrated through their various displays:

Law and order; money; power; thought; emotion; feeling;
Civilised society; suffering and healing.
Their search for ‘Terra Incognita’ pushed them to explore –
But for every door they opened there was just another door.

Illusion flawed their vision and the way that they related
To everything outside themselves: the world they had created;
They knew they had the answers and the key to life’s success,
And yet, around them, life would perish, under great duress.

The world was out of balance, for the human way of being
Was destroying all it touched through the blindness known as seeing.
Forests fell and oceans died. Wars were fought and lost.
And as the speed of time increased, so too did the cost.

And, still, Predation swallowed life, destroying Earth with speed:
An entity of dark illusion fuelled by fear and greed,
But all this had to happen for the New World to arrive,
For Human Beings to step into the truth of being alive.

First it happened slowly with the few and far between.
It was as if the Sun was shining on a world they’d never seen.
And as they practised energetic thinking from the heart,
‘Civilised’ society began to fall apart.

And this was called ‘The End Times’ or ‘Polarity Division’.
Every human being was invited to re-vision;
Those who could not hear their heart chose systems of predation,
While symbiotic souls found their way to co-creation.

Predation pulled the mind; Symbiosis pulled the heart:
Predation favoured power; Symbiosis favoured art.
And thus the worlds began to split as humans made their choice:
To hear the voice of fear or to hear their inner voice.

And as the Earth’s vibration rose, the worlds became uncertain.
Were Human Beings strong enough, as ONE, to lift the curtain?
Their numbers seemed so few and scattered, through a world of pain,
Where, even on the brink of doom, Predation seemed to gain.

But transformation starts within, as every student knows:
Often, much has changed within but, outside, nothing shows.
Those who sought for Mastery of Self began to meet.
Vibration was aligning them at work and in the street.

And where they met they shared themselves in full, without disguise.
Their meetings fuelled their vibratory signatures to rise.
Their glow was unmistakeable. Their numbers grew and grew until
Together, as ONE entity, humanity came through.

Predation could not penetrate the veil to the NOW.
Its cycles spiralled downwards till it took its final bow.
And everyone who followed it had made an active choice
To experience polarity without their inner voice.

But, as we know, the time is NOW, there is no other time,
And, though this lesson comes disguised as poetry in rhyme,
We shall keep the veil open till the final curtain call.
Hear the whispers in your heart. We’d love to have you ALL.

[Bubu]

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.

Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.


Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?

He offered very little information beyond that he was a caretaker and obeyed a nudge to loan it. No title upon it. Was filled with info pretty much outlined in your post. It seemed strange at the time because in my reality he was just a guy who sat on tailgate of truck and drank a case of beer every Saturday. He did not want to discuss anything.

I do remember that previous to this I had frightened his wife by mentioning that I found the Dead Sea Scrolls online.
She thought it was against the law. Maybe that is what gave him the nudge?

My son is good friends with his daughter and I will ask him to bring it up with her. See if any more info is available.

What pleases me to know now is that person has been sharing the info for more than 30 years now while you state in post that

Some of what I list below is quite well-known
This is one of them cases where it wouldn't bother me at all to be the last one arriving. :)

The spies watching are hopeful that you reveal more of your story so that they can destroy the mission.
You should have followed the man when he said that he does not want to talk about it.

[Bill Ryan]

What am I--WE getting out of this really?

If that's a question (and if so, it's a good one! :) ) my own answer is that I'm blown away by how well informed and aware so many Avalonians are about this huge and important topic. As best I know, we've never really had a thread quite like this before, so I wasn't at all prepared for the avalanche of references, insights and very intelligent personal perspectives. I thank you all for those.

What I also appreciate is some new material (books, videos) which I didn't know about, or hadn't located, before, so I deeply appreciate that also. I'm also very humbled by Ray/Finefeather's plaudit that this was the best summary he'd ever seen in his life(!). I'm pretty new to the topic (maybe a good thing, because my mind was uncluttered), but have been steeping myself in it 24/7 for about a month or so, devouring everything I could find. My summary was the result, and as I needed to point out, a work in progress.

Usually, when I focus deeply on something, and really want to find answers to questions, the information is magically delivered to me through serendipitous library (or internet!) angels. I know that very many reading this will have had exactly that experience. It is as if one is led, invisibly, to exactly the right references, quotes and conversations that are needed to continue joining the dots to the very next one that one's meant to find -- like a kind of cosmic treasure hunt. Just as much fun, and this is what research should be: not a tiring grind , but an inspirational personal journey.

[Another1]

The spies watching are hopeful that you reveal more of your story so that they can destroy the mission.

That is one version of reality. Yes.
But it was more relevant back in the mid-90s than now.

Thank you

[CD7]

What am I--WE getting out of this really?

If that's a question (and if so, it's a good one! :) ) my own answer is that I'm blown away by how well informed and aware so many Avalonians are about this huge and important topic. As best I know, we've never really had a thread quite like this before, so I wasn't at all prepared for the avalanche of references, insights and very intelligent personal perspectives. I thank you all for those.

What I also appreciate is some new material (books, videos) which I didn't know about, or hadn't located, before, so I deeply appreciate that also. I'm also very humbled by Ray/Finefeather's plaudit that this was the best summary he'd ever seen in his life(!). I'm pretty new to the topic (maybe a good thing, because my mind was uncluttered), but have been steeping myself in it 24/7 for about a month or so, devouring everything I could find. My summary was the result, and as I needed to point out, a work in progress.

Usually, when I focus deeply on something, and really want to find answers to questions, the information is magically delivered to me through serendipitous library (or internet!) angels. I know that very many reading this will have had exactly that experience. It is as if one is led, invisibly, to exactly the right references, quotes and conversations that are needed to continue joining the dots to the very next one that one's meant to find -- like a kind of cosmic treasure hunt. Just as much fun, and this is what research should be: not a tiring grind , but an inspirational personal journey.


Yes much Appreciation for inspiration, nuggets along the way, and posts tht are staying on topic and civilized! Every once in a while I will have a momentary lapse of "soap opera" madness from hearing/reading stories that well just play out like a soap opera! With ofcourse interchangeable dates and names-----So it was coming at me from different threads and wherever else you name it---Yes delight the meme of duality got under my skin :-p OK back to "what are we really getting out of this" ? <---------im sure tht will be meted out along the way :)

[Joe Akulis]

I thought I would add something I learned a while back since I haven't seen it mentioned yet in response to the posts about a guy named "Clopas" back from Jesus' time. This was just word of mouth, at the time it was taught to me, but I bet it's pretty easy to confirm it on the internet these days.

To understand how Clopas plays into the story, you need to understand a common practice back then called Levirite Marriage. It often came into play due to the way women probably didn't have the same means available to them as men when it came to making a living on your own. In other words, most women were forced to depend on men if they wanted to live a comfortable life. No surprises there. So whenever a married woman lost her husband, through the practice of Levirite marriage, she would be betrothed to her former husband's eldest brother. And we all know that Joseph disappeared during Jesus' "lost years", as we have him appearing in the stories of Jesus' youth, like when they were leaving town and realized that the child Jesus was missing, and they went back to temple and found him and he said well yeah, you know I would be in my father's house. Joseph is present in stories like that, but is nowhere in any of the stories that come later after the beginning of Jesus' mission, around the age of 30. So sometime between his youth and Jesus' 30s, Joseph disappeared. Whether he just took off on Mary, or kicked the bucket, or had some kind of falling out with her, I have no idea.

Enter Clopas: The eldest brother of Joseph. Mary gets betrothed up the line to Clopas via a Levirite marriage. Guess who one of Clopas' sons was? James. Now you know why James is sometimes referred to in the bible as the brother of Jesus. And if you see Clopas mentioned elsewhere in stories concerning Jesus' later years, now you know why.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I would really like to meet this guy (Jesus) one day ! :)

I would like to meet Jesus also, face to face.

Twice he (or an imposter) has appeared to me in dreams. Both times I was aware of his wonderful sense of humor.

The first time was during a time when I was captivated by the Carlos Castenada/Don Juan material. In the dream, I was standing on the edge of a bed getting ready to dive into the darkness, into the void. Jesus was laying in the bed, instructing me how to grab my knees and pull myself back. Weird, I know, but that was my vivid experience.

The second dream with Jesus was in a small class of people being taught how to channel. Jesus was the teacher and I was one of a few students. Jesus, with loving humor, showed me my class grade, which was below average.

I suspect many Avalonians have had dream experience with Jesus.

[Joe Akulis]

[Edited]. Tossing out something I posted. I was pretty disappointed with the "Jesus Letters" once I spent a half hour on them. They look to me like something written by someone with the best intentions who was well versed in all the latest metaphysical data available from the pioneers of our era, but I'm gonna hafta give them the downvote as pretty non-authentic looking. Just my opinion of course.

[Nat_Lee]

I would really like to meet this guy (Jesus) one day ! :)

What I want to toss out here is the thought that if you're looking for the "person" Jesus that had a physical life back then, my guess is he doesn't exist anymore, even as a spirit. That consciousness (energy) could have gracefully re-integrated with its higher self. And if the risen Christ, which sounds an awful lot like Jesus' Higher Self, decides to take up another physical incarnation here, I don't think it would be some mirror image of the guy you see in all the stained glass windows. Could even be a female, couldn't it?


I just mean, I would really like to meet him ! Nothing more simple than just meet Jesus in whatever form ... it doesn't matter.... just meet him or her or it :)
Learn from him, talk, chat, have a coffee or a cloud ... Shaking auras or hands ... Telepathically or in dreams or just feeling him ! Encounter him or is energy !
Go back in the past mabe ... Just meet Jesus :)

[Joe Akulis]

I just mean, I would really like to meet him ! Nothing more simple than just meet Jesus in whatever form ... it doesn't matter.... just meet him or her or it :)
Learn from him, talk, chat, have a coffee or a cloud ... Shaking auras or hands ... Telepathically or in dreams or just feeling him ! Encounter him or is energy !
Go back in the past mabe ... Just meet Jesus :)

Yes, I apologize for being so analytical. I get too carried away sometimes... You are describing similar thoughts that I and I'm sure most of us have had at one time or another. It would be nice to have him pay a visit. To stroll down the sidewalk and chat. I always wanted to know if he gave a little helping hand when Apollo 13 got into all that trouble up there. :-) Here's hoping we all get some moments like that.

Seeker

P.S. Not like Apollo 13! I meant like the sidewalk thing. Moments like that.

[CD7]

http://http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg

http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg



In one of the videos presented it shows the symbol on the front of the suspected Jesus family tomb. They did not go into detail about what/where this symbol came from--its meaning? im not too familiar with a triangle and a dot....any ideas or anyone know where these symbols derive from?

[skippy]

In one of the videos presented it shows the symbol on the front of the suspected Jesus family tomb. They did not go into detail about what/where this symbol came from--its meaning? im not too familiar with a triangle and a dot....any ideas or anyone know where these symbols derive from?

Hi CD7, nice picture :-)

Triangle (or is it a chevron?) = I guess it represents the trinity
Dot = Sun (normally the sun is depicted as a dot in a circle)

[CD7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevron_(insignia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle






Edited by Bill. We know what a circie is! :)

:focus:

[Bill Ryan]

http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg



This is the Talpiot Tomb (http://thejesusdiscovery.org). It's a fascinating story.

Here's a 4 minute interview with Simcha Jacobovici, the director of the documentary THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS. Highly recommended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKgD8xfLrE

The 90 minute documentary itself is here, which I found very, very interesting. It chronicles the exploration of a tomb in Jerusalem that appears to have no less than the names of Jesus himself -- and every one of his family members, including Mary Magdalene -- inscribed on the ossuaries (traditional bone boxes).


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3
Source: http://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3 (https://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3)

[Atlas]

Michael Baigent in "The Dead Sea Scrolls" documentary presented by Rageh Omaar (2006) :
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Michael Baigent's interview by Sara James from NBC News (2006) :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/The_mystery_of_The_Jesus_Papers_.pdf

[Atlas]

Jesus later returned to Kashmir

I noticed the translations of the Sanskrit text Bhavishya Purana differ.

Version A is from stephen-knapp.com (http://www.stephen-knapp.com/jesus_predicted_in_the_vedic_literature.htm) which says:

"In 1784, the famous Indologist Sir William Jones wrote a letter to Sir Warren Hastings, Governor General of India, confirming our suspicions that this was indeed part of the program of the Christian missionaries who added the chapter on Jesus."

Version B is from tombofjesus.com (http://tombofjesus.com/index.php/en/historical-sources/46-historical-sources/documents/68-bhavishya-maha-purana) and provides the original Sanskrit text.

Text 22:

A- Once upon a time the subduer of the Sakas went towards Himatunga and in the middle of the Huna country, the powerful king saw an auspicious man who was living on a mountain. The man’s complexion was golden and his clothes were white.

B- One day, Shalivahan, the chief ot the Sakyas, went into the Himalayas. There, in the Land of the Hun, the powerful king saw a man sitting on a mountain, who seemed to promise auspiciousness. His skin was fair and he wore white garments.

Texts 23-24:

A- The king asked, ‘Who are you sir?’ ‘You should know that I am Isha Putra, the Son of God’, he replied blissfully, and ‘am born of a virgin.’ ‘I am the expounder of the religion of the mlecchas and I strictly adhere to the Absolute Truth.’ Hearing this the king enquired, ‘What are the religious principles according to your opinion?

B- The king asked the holy man who he was. The other replied: 'I am called a son of God, born of a virgin, minister of the non-believers, relentless in search of the truth.' The king then asked him: 'What is your religion?'

Text 25-26

A- Hearing this questions of Shalivahana, Isha putra said, ‘O king, when the destruction of the truth occurred, I, Masiha the prophet, came to this country of degraded people where there are no rules and regulations. Finding that fearful irreligious condition of the barbarians spreading from Mleccha-Desha, I have taken to prophethood’.

B- The other replied, 'O great king, I come from a foreign country, where there is no longer truth and where evil knows no bounds. In the land of the non-believers, I appeared as the Messiah. But the demon Ihamasi of the barbarians (dasyu) manifested herself in a terrible form; I was delivered unto her in the manner of the non-believers and ended in Ihamasi's realm.'

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SWAMI B.V. GIRI writes : "Considering the above anomalies and the fact that no edition of the Bhavisya Purana can be found prior to the British period in India, we can only deduce that the Bhavisya Purana was tampered with by the Christian missionaries who added the chapter on Jesus."

"It may also be noted that throughout the Pratisarga-parva of the Bhavisya Purana we find the stories of Adam and Eve (Adhama and Havyavati), Noah (Nyuha), Moses (Musa), and other Biblical characters. These we also consider to be added by zealous Christians."

"In conclusion, the Bhavisya Purana may well be a genuine Vedic scripture prophesying future events, but from the above analysis we can say with certainty that the Jesus episode of the Bhavisya Purana is not an authentic Vedic revelation."

Full article: http://gosai.com/writings/jesus-in-the-vedas (gosai.com/writings/jesus-in-the-vedas)

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What locals say about the tomb of Jesus in Kashmir :
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According to Sri Bhakti Ananda Goswami, a practicing Catholic Hermit :

"the Ahmadiyyas and their New Age Occult Allies have been behind the whole global campaign to convince everyone that Jesus Christ is buried in their Founder’s claimed Jesus Tomb in Srinagar Kashmir."

"Do not believe his nonsense that Jesus Christ is buried in Kashmir. The Ahmadiyya Muslims and other New Age Occultists [...] are in the business of their own self-promotion and promoting their own self-serving geo-political and religious agendas."

"Please wake up and understand that FRAUDULENT things like this have been done, especially over the last two centuries, for the geo-political and religious motives of madmen and cheaters, who had and have no respect for God (Kalki Avatara), the Scriptures like the Bible or the Bhavishya Purana, or the Savior, Jesus, of Christianity."

"These New Age Religion Makers just take what and/or who they want from other people’s ancient religions and ab-use it and/or them to shamelessly promote themselves, and their own concocted hodge-podge New Age Religions or New Religious Movements"

"This is what the Ahmadiyya Founder did, and now countless more New Age Occult ‘spiritualists’ and religionists are using the Ahmadiyya’s ‘Jesus Tomb’ for their own purposes too. Do not be cheated by these people!"

Full article: bhaktiananda...2012/10/04/the-bhavishya-purana-hoax-and-the-claim-on-kashmir/ (http://bhaktianandascollectedworks.wordpress.com/2012/10/04/the-bhavishya-purana-hoax-and-the-claim-on-kashmir/)

[AriG]

Jay Weidner's article RISE OF THE ARCHONS is from his website, in turn a transcript from a radio interview with Jeff Rense. It's a very valuable, succinct summary of the likely situation.

Here is the audio interview : RISE OF THE ARCHONS - Jay Weidner Rense interview 4/8/11

Part 1 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3


Part 2 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3

Here is the article on his website : www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html (http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html)


Thank you! I'd been wanting to find the original audio. Here are the files to download:


http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3


It seems to ask about a concern regarding this interview is not timely, but I don't want to create a distraction by starting another thread, especially one regarding a polarizing subject. This is a pretty simple question.

In part one, Mr. Weidner carefully states that he has no issue with choosing to live with whomever one wishes, however, he states that the Archons are "sanctifying" gay marriage, an "unnatural state of being" (his words). Previously, he states that the worship of Jehovah and the church are constructs of the Archons and that we have been fooled into worshiping a false god. I sensed a disconnect in his comment regarding the sanctifying of gay marriage if indeed this point was that the church is a false entity, why is he concerned with the acceptance of gay marriage being sanctified by a false religion or social construct? According to him, there is nothing sacred about the world's false religions, therefore, any acceptance of a homosexual union would not, in his view, be a "sanctified union". In other words, he can't state that the church is an Archon plot and then claim that any institution that arises from it or any other Archon institution represents "sanctity".

His words regarding our gay brethren took me aback. Although I agreed with much of what he had to say, his disparaging remarks about gay marriage were, in my opinion, archaic and not reflective of a pure and accepting spirit. I know nothing of this man and probably need to do some research, but it feels as though he is representing a hidden agenda. Any clarification to my interpretation is greatly appreciated.

[Bill Ryan]

Jay Weidner's article RISE OF THE ARCHONS is from his website, in turn a transcript from a radio interview with Jeff Rense. It's a very valuable, succinct summary of the likely situation.

Here is the audio interview : RISE OF THE ARCHONS - Jay Weidner Rense interview 4/8/11

Part 1 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3


Part 2 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3

Here is the article on his website : www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html (http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html)


Thank you! I'd been wanting to find the original audio. Here are the files to download:


http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3


It seems to ask about a concern regarding this interview is not timely, but I don't want to create a distraction by starting another thread, especially one regarding a polarizing subject. This is a pretty simple question.

In part one, Mr. Weidner carefully states that he has no issue with choosing to live with whomever one wishes, however, he states that the Archons are "sanctifying" gay marriage, an "unnatural state of being" (his words). Previously, he states that the worship of Jehovah and the church are constructs of the Archons and that we have been fooled into worshiping a false god. I sensed a disconnect in his comment regarding the sanctifying of gay marriage if indeed this point was that the church is a false entity, why is he concerned with the acceptance of gay marriage being sanctified by a false religion or social construct? According to him, there is nothing sacred about the world's false religions, therefore, any acceptance of a homosexual union would not, in his view, be a "sanctified union". In other words, he can't state that the church is an Archon plot and then claim that any institution that arises from it or any other Archon institution represents "sanctity".

His words regarding our gay brethren took me aback. Although I agreed with much of what he had to say, his disparaging remarks about gay marriage were, in my opinion, archaic and not reflective of a pure and accepting spirit. I know nothing of this man and probably need to do some research, but it feels as though he is representing a hidden agenda. Any clarification to my interpretation is greatly appreciated.


Many thanks for this -- I've bookmarked the interviews for listening, but have not done so yet. I have a great deal of respect for Weidner as one of the very best researchers and analysts we have out there.

My view as I read this is that this topic does not belong on this thread (though it's a good one!) and -- note to self - I want to start another major thread focused on the isue of the Archons in general. That's a huge and important standalone subject. Then this very valid post of yours can be copied over there for discussion.

:focus:

[Amysenthia]

What I also appreciate is some new material (books, videos) which I didn't know about, or hadn't located, before, so I deeply appreciate that also. I'm also very humbled by Ray/Finefeather's plaudit that this was the best summary he'd ever seen in his life(!). I'm pretty new to the topic (maybe a good thing, because my mind was uncluttered), but have been steeping myself in it 24/7 for about a month or so, devouring everything I could find.

Is there something in particular that you are searching for. Perhaps those following can help direct you to an important puzzle piece?

[CD7]

http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg



This is the Talpiot Tomb (http://thejesusdiscovery.org). It's a fascinating story.

Here's a 4 minute interview with Simcha Jacobovici, the director of the documentary THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS. Highly recommended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKgD8xfLrE

The 90 minute documentary itself is here, which I found very, very interesting. It chronicles the exploration of a tomb in Jerusalem that appears to have no less than the names of Jesus himself -- and every one of his family members, including Mary Magdalene -- inscribed on the ossuaries (traditional bone boxes).


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3
Source: http://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3 (https://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3)


Yes I have seen these videos and unless I missed the portion where they discuss what the symbols on tomb derive from? I'm still curious as to what the chevron and circle represent on this tomb? Are these symbols common in Jerusalem---well I don't think so, because I recall the video stated that the "Jesus family tomb" was unique with such a symbol over their tomb...

[Amysenthia]

The 90 minute documentary itself is here, which I found very, very interesting. It chronicles the exploration of a tomb in Jerusalem that appears to have no less than the names of Jesus himself -- and every one of his family members, including Mary Magdalene -- inscribed on the ossuaries (traditional bone boxes).

Yes I have seen these videos and unless I missed the portion where they discuss wht the symbols on tomb derive from? Im still curious as to what the chevron and circle represent on this tomb? Are these symbols common in Jeruselum---well I don't think so, because I recall the video stated tht the "jesus family tomb" was unique with such a symbol over their tomb...

You will not find bones belonging to the Master. So this story/speculation is mute.

[Christine]

Why has this story been told and retold through out our recorded time?

Why has the mythos always been co-opted by the ruling elite, priest class or ruling class (one and the same)?

Why is it than when any teacher comes along who wants to teach the people he/ she is persecuted?

What is the true nature of the story?

Assume that Magdalene and Yesua were historical… I do. Then did they came to teach us something to be accomplished in the flesh?

Why is this important?

It doesn't really matter if Jesus was buried in Srinagar or the South of France. We can be pretty certain that they Yeshua and Magdalene were married as husband and wife, and produced off spring. One daughter (matriarchal lineage) seems to be the most important. Question, was she important and if so why?

Bloodline… why blood? What does the blood contain?

Why DNA manipulation? We assume they are mutating us and they are… but perhaps they are searching for a specific gene? By adding and subtracting they hope to figure out which one. Possible?

Has this to do with immortality and giving them a soul component that is missing?
(They always appear to be compensating or looking for something they lack.)

Consider that they look down on us as insects, resources or herd animals is this an indication that they are suffering from some form of inferiority?
(This attitude is a common symptom of deep psychosis.)

So why all the attention?… "Ask and ye shall receive."

These questions just popped into my head and I felt I should post them.

[1 flew over]

http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg



This is the Talpiot Tomb (http://thejesusdiscovery.org). It's a fascinating story.

Here's a 4 minute interview with Simcha Jacobovici, the director of the documentary THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS. Highly recommended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKgD8xfLrE

The 90 minute documentary itself is here, which I found very, very interesting. It chronicles the exploration of a tomb in Jerusalem that appears to have no less than the names of Jesus himself -- and every one of his family members, including Mary Magdalene -- inscribed on the ossuaries (traditional bone boxes).


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3
Source: http://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3 (https://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3)

Bill
Thank you for these videos. I have found them fascinating. Even though I do not consider myself a Christian due to the baggage that the term carries, I have had an increased interest in the study of the man and what he stood for. About a week ago I returned from a 7 day workshop on Christ consciousness. I will share these videos and some of the other info from this thread for my instructors and other students’ viewpoints on the info. I guess I could also include the link to the thread we are on. We worked more on our personally embodied awareness of the energetics, though there was quite a bit of discussion concerning Yeshua and Mary Magdalena. I am sure that many will enjoy viewing info concerning his and his familie's possible burial site. As far as I have read even the in the different books of the Bible, there was never any claim that he took his body with him during ascension. So much info, so little time.

Be Well
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[Amysenthia]

As far as I have read even the in the different books of the Bible, there was never any claim that he took his body with him during ascension. So much info, so little time.

1 Flew Over

You certainly will not find the truth in any book of the Bible of what truly happen to the man that we call Jesus. (Although there are some truths accidentally left in some parts of the book). If you know anything about the true life of Jesus/Yesuha/or whatever name you would like to refer to the Master as you will know that he did not ascend in the way that you have been taught in traditional christian teaching. He went as a child to India and studied under the great traditions there and to make a long story short he became what in the Indian traditions is called an Avatar. This state is obtained through the study of secret yogas such as Raja yoga, were you find a master to guide you through the practice and you basically change your vibratory level so that you can transmute your entire body into another state of matter. There are many stories in Indian texts of the famous Avatar BabaJi. He is said to be over 1000 years old and he will appear and disappear at will during various holy festivals. One of the best books ever written to understand this the call the "Yogas and other works" written by Vivekananda who was a student of Sri Ramakrishna and a contemporary of Yogananda. In this book the practice of many of these secret Yogas are discussed and explained.

Jesus the Christ/Christos/Krishna spirit incarnation essentially became an Avatar at the time of what you refer to as ascension. This concept is best understood if you realize the long held knowledge of the Yogis of the Indian/Persian (which the magi which came to Jesus's birth) come from. There is much material that needs to be studied and understood before this can be fully grasped. This is what I mean by the previous post that the bones of Jesus will not be found in a box.

[norman]

My mother's faith in what the C of E made her believe about Jesus ( she was a Sunday school teacher before she was 20 ) was falling apart at around the time she brought me up. It was a deep disturbed sadness that soaked right into me and has plagued me ever since.

If I could really shake off all that churchiness around this story and replace it with something nearer the probable truth, I know it would help me out quite a lot. It's not that I'm stuck in a fake religion, I don't DO the religion of it at all, it's that I need some way out of the mess my mum was in so that I can put it fully behind me at a deep level.

All this religion didn't happen over night. It's been drilled into us generation after generation to the point that we ( some of us ) are soaked in the abuse and victimhood of something that came from our ancestors much more than it came from any conscious search and errors of choices of our own.

I'd love the sun to come up over religion and expose it all for what it is. Seeing it is far better than believing it's fake but still living in the state of victim to it.

I'll always believe in good and bad, or light and dark. That's a fundamental I don't think I'll ever lose. I'm a conspiracy theorist really because I feel that I'm being told that light is dark and dark is light. The details are secondary.

If the world I live in is soon to become a world where the truth is roughly the right way up, I've got a lot of reconditioning to go through to shake off this "conspiracy theory" mentality and find the true and right way to think.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If I could really shake off all that churchiness around this story and replace it with something nearer the probable truth, I know it would help me out quite a lot. It's not that I'm stuck in a fake religion, I don't DO the religion of it at all, it's that I need some way out of the mess my mum was in so that I can put it fully behind me at a deep level.

Love and respect are all we need to replace religion. It is so simple. Not a dis-empowering kind of love, but a love that includes love of self and respect for one's choices made for this adventure as a human.

Love needs no dogma, no rules, no specific language. People and animals can feel it.

Of course it is unreasonable to love everyone (at least at my level of consciousness) but I can always love someone, some animal, something. When love gets big enough the Archons will starve here, choke on the love, and simply go somewhere else to feed on fear.

It is important to NOT give ones personal power away to any guru, self proclaimed master or to some control freak riding around in a UFO :ufo: . That might take many lifetimes to remedy. See yourself as the law giver, the screen writer, director and actor on stage. That is very likely a requirement for all of us somewhere on a path of evolving consciousness.

Do not try to change anyone, including family who may be severely stricken with religion. As the Dali Lama has said, just because others are not on your path does not mean they are on the wrong path.

With sufficient understanding and perspective, one can follow the thoughts of Richard Bach: If you are being led to the executioner, be careful not to laugh, or people will think you are crazy. :crazy:

That's about all the religion that I need or want.

And if Jesus is reading this, I'll bet he would agree.

[1 flew over]

As far as I have read even the in the different books of the Bible, there was never any claim that he took his body with him during ascension. So much info, so little time.

1 Flew Over

You certainly will not find the truth in any book of the Bible of what truly happen to the man that we call Jesus. (Although there are some truths accidentally left in some parts of the book). If you know anything about the true life of Jesus/Yesuha/or whatever name you would like to refer to the Master as you will know that he did not ascend in the way that you have been taught in traditional christian teaching. He went as a child to India and studied under the great traditions there and to make a long story short he became what in the Indian traditions is called an Avatar. This state is obtained through the study of secret yogas such as Raja yoga, were you find a master to guide you through the practice and you basically change your vibratory level so that you can transmute your entire body into another state of matter. There are many stories in Indian texts of the famous Avatar BabaJi. He is said to be over 1000 years old and he will appear and disappear at will during various holy festivals. One of the best books ever written to understand this the call the "Yogas and other works" written by Vivekananda who was a student of Sri Ramakrishna and a contemporary of Yogananda. In this book the practice of many of these secret Yogas are discussed and explained.

Jesus the Christ/Christos/Krishna spirit incarnation essentially became an Avatar at the time of what you refer to as ascension. This concept is best understood if you realize the long held knowledge of the Yogis of the Indian/Persian (which the magi which came to Jesus's birth) come from. There is much material that needs to be studied and understood before this can be fully grasped. This is what I mean by the previous post that the bones of Jesus will not be found in a box.

Amysenthia

I appreciate your feedback and most of it I completely agree with.

I have not studied the enough specifics of Indian practices to know the physical manifestations of ascension to being an Avatar. I think that Joshua did go to India as a child and became enlightened and because of this state when he returned to his area of teaching he primarily taught about love of self and others. I think that he also taught about movement or expansion of awareness of others toward realizing that they were a part of The One/Krishna/Great Spirit/Allah/Wakan Tanka etc or as the people he was teaching would perceive of as God. This would be achieved as a product of personal work and attainment not bestowed by the blessing of others or money in the offering plate.

I had thought that because of his training in India that he had learned in meditation to control and slow his body functions to the point of appearing to be dead. The normal, hung from a cross punishment inflicted by the Romans, usually took much longer than the few hours that Joshua was on the cross before he was pronounced dead,lowered and taken into the cave.

I do not believe that anyone takes the body with them when they transition. That is where my consideration came from about having his body left here in this place and reality allowing it to be entombed with his earthly loved ones. The body is just our vessel used to function in this frequency on this planet; it’s our ticket to play on this plain. My son says it’s just a rental.

I have long ago quit believing that there is much that was included in the Bible that was as it happened or was said unless it would not alter the story that was for the benefit of those who commissioned it.

I thank you for your info and book suggestion. I have a friend and Baba that I have wanted to study with, he has a local Ashram as well as an Ashram and a school in India. As I mentioned; so much to learn so little time. I'll start with the book.

Be Well
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[Delight]

I want to chime in on where a man of the background and time of Jesus may have studied. He could have studied with the Druids. Yes, he could have studied in Egypt and gone to India too. But without giving you references, the Essenes and Druids shared similar ideas. Wht if the Knight Templars carriied on Jesus core religious teachings? They share what might have been a blend?


This is where the Knight's Templar come into the picture! A group who, like
the Druids, appeared - apparently from nowhere - amongst the French - 9
Frenchmen (some of whom had connections to the very same area that may well
have been the birthplace of ancient Druidry) suddenly appear in the Holy
Land, and offer to protect christian pilgrims from muslims! They somehow
manage to get a prime spot - right beside Herod's Temple, and spend several
years doing some very odd things - and not really doing a great deal of
protecting pilgrims. Like the Druids (and Essenes), they wear white robes as
a symbol of purity after a "living resurrection". Like the Druids, they have
a fascination with heads and skulls (or a particular head?). Like the
Druids, they appear to be influenced heavily by Pythagorean thought. Like
the Druids, they have 3 basic levels of initiation into their "cult" (no
derogatory meaning implied!) - which are (according to some) very similar.
Yet, they seem to also be directly connected to the Essenes - they use the
same code in texts (the Ashbat cypher), there is pretty good evidence that
the sun was an important part of their religious life (some say they
worshipped the sun - even though they were nominally Catholic!!), their vow
of "chastity, obedience and to hold all property in common" is uncannily
similar to the main ethics of Essenism, as are other parts of the "rule"
which they adopted when they became an official Catholic body - in
particular, their rules with regard to eating meat! Further to this, there
is evidence of late burials (attributed to Druids) in areas of Scotland
which have deep links with Templarism - and there are places in France (such
as the area around Chartres) which also have very strong links to both
Druids and Templars! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AncientBibleHistory/message/1349


There is quite a story about Glastonbury and I wonder if Glastonbury might actually be Avalon?


The town of Glastonbury in Somerset often calls itself the Isle of Avalon, the mythical island that plays a prominent role in Celtic folklore and the legends of King Arthur and the Holy Grail. According to 12th century historian Geoffrey of Monmouth's "The History of the Kings of Britain," after the Battle of Camlann the mortally wounded king was borne to the island, destined to return in some distant future and defend England in her hour of greatest need. Later, it is said, Glastonbury Abbey was chosen by Joseph of Arimathea, the man who gave his tomb to Jesus, as the resting place for the ultimate Christian relic, the Holy Grail. These legends, a riveting blend of history and ancient Celtic mythology, are a powerful part of the the identity of this charming little town.http://www.isle-of-avalon.biz/

If Jesus Uncle was Joseph of Arimethea, there was a Breton connection and is why Jesus was later known around Cornwall where the tin mines were located.

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/christincornwall.html

The Ministry could have started at "Avalon". Maybe one could glean that the kind of teaching that might have been promoted was NOT religion. This would have been a hygeine rather than a religion and was the necessary practices to DO MIRACLES.
This is William Henry talking:


As I’ve established my many books, beginning with Blue Apples (1998), and discussed in numerous DVD presentations (especially The Light Body Effect and Morph), the ancient mystery traditions viewed the human body as the Cross of Light, and it is this Cross that the solar drop or divine spark, embedded in every human body, uses as a ‘stargate’ to cross out of space-time. The Celtic Crucifix of Athlone reflects this belief. Jesus is the transfigured (‘metamorphosed’) and crucified light being personified. I believe this Cross encodes the Secret of Secrets (SOS) known to all who have transcended stargate Earth and now walk between the worlds…and the stars.

My old friend, Father Charlie Moore, a beloved scholar deeply missed by many, once gave me a treasured gift. He annotated Blue Apples. In the margin of the book he wrote to me: “’Jesus’ is originally a Sanskrit word meaning “Pure Essence”. A Jesus of the Essenes was one who looks within and finds the ‘manifesting power’ (the Pure Essence) and then spends the rest of his life helping others to do the same.”

This is the SOS. One who has tapped the Pure Essence (i.e. discovered the Blue Apples) can share it, but can also attain the light body and - F-L-A-S-H - travel through the 4th dimensional wormholes that operate outside of (but may permeate) our reality, according to Quantum Theory and String Theory. http://www.williamhenry.net/blog_ireland.html


I would actually like to promote the story of the connection to the British isles, the Druids and the probability that one could very much question what we are taught as the way of Jesus. What did the man who was a master actually teach his deciples? We might call him "heathen" and be very close because they were all wiped out later as great threats??


It is necessary to say at once that such records as we have of Celtic Magic in the region which is now known as England furnish us with only scanty clues to the magical ideas or practices of the Celtic race. For such information it is necessary to appeal mainly to the literatures and traditions of Wales, Ireland and Scotland. Certain parts of these records are acceptable as being of the nature of genuine chronicle and folk-tradition, and are not easily disposed of. In the lands alluded to we find the mysterious caste of the Druids wielding powers of illusion, raising winds and tempests, casting mists over the landscape for the confusion of their enemies or for reasons of defence. They are masters of the arts of shape-shifting and bodily transformations, they are capable of vision at a distance. We find them united in magical colleges for the instruction and furtherance of arcane knowledge. By a draught of mysterious elixir they can induce forgetfulness. They can dry up watercourses and employ their sorcery on behalf of their native rulers in battle. They engage in magical contests with Christian saints and missionaries. They can annihilate time through prophecy and the divination of omens. An understanding of the language of the animal world is vouchsafed them. Indeed, there is no department of the magical art in which, apparently, they are not versed.
http://www.donaldcorrell.com/magicart/magicart.html

Whatever is truthful cannot be destroyed. Lots of people have said the same thing about being Jesus> I am intereted in also...What Would Jesus Do (hehe)

[Christine]

It has taken me awhile to post on this thread, perhaps because I feel such a strong personal pull to the material, so I have been allowing the conduits that run through me to form a more whole picture of the reality.

Above I posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign&p=711868&viewfull=1#post711868) a series of questions, they are the ones that I have dwelling in me... as any question sincerely asked the answer does come, just not always in a linear fashion. For myself it comes in waves or circles... sometimes in a sudden cognition, or a download of only partially understood information.

I describe this to try and understand how I feel we may be experiencing changes to our perceptions. We are literally immersed in a great endless sea of information. No longer do we need to have a single answer for each question asked. If our Being is Infinite then we have access to Infinity.

As I have listened to, read texts, read books, visited holy places, had visions, heard his voice, wept in remembering, felt grace, washed his feet, been lifted up, seen him walking in person in this life, as I have pondered, meditated, wondered, become confused and found new clarity ... through the years of my life.

What I currently feel is the closest truth for myself is that Yeshua did exist, many here on Avalon knew him at that time. He is a Master and he did something extra ordinary for humanity, for the Mother (earth) and for our future. He did show us the keys to the way... and my personal belief is that his teaching transcended even the Yogic keys of the past for he learned how to break the cycle of karma, endless cycles of death and rebirth.

He is, what Amysenthis calls, an Avatar, to me this indicates that he can duplicate his body in different timelines and realities. I further strongly suspect that he literally lives in each person on the planet. By which I mean a part of his body, DNA has been transferred. I am not sure how this is accomplished but am finding small clues in the world around me.

Having all of this information in this one thread is so important.. .. we aren't looking for the right answer. We are putting on the surface the long hidden, what was obscured, what they didn't want us to know and in so doing may we find truth. The Truth that liveth in all things.

There is a correlating truth about Mary Magdalene, the vessel, the receiver, Pistis Sophia. She is manifestation... embodiment imbued with Light. More difficult for me to bring to words, still mysterious, deep and part unknown.

These are just my musings on the subject, not meant to be a final word - the exploration continues.

There is also a thread of information that is tying all these threads together, it is the Becoming that we are. I think many of us on Avalon are knowing this in our hearts, as we remember who we are, we remember each other.

My sincerest gratitude to Avalon and all the members who are joining the dots in this time of awakening.



As far as I have read even the in the different books of the Bible, there was never any claim that he took his body with him during ascension. So much info, so little time.

1 Flew Over

You certainly will not find the truth in any book of the Bible of what truly happen to the man that we call Jesus. (Although there are some truths accidentally left in some parts of the book). If you know anything about the true life of Jesus/Yesuha/or whatever name you would like to refer to the Master as you will know that he did not ascend in the way that you have been taught in traditional christian teaching. He went as a child to India and studied under the great traditions there and to make a long story short he became what in the Indian traditions is called an Avatar. This state is obtained through the study of secret yogas such as Raja yoga, were you find a master to guide you through the practice and you basically change your vibratory level so that you can transmute your entire body into another state of matter. There are many stories in Indian texts of the famous Avatar BabaJi. He is said to be over 1000 years old and he will appear and disappear at will during various holy festivals. One of the best books ever written to understand this the call the "Yogas and other works" written by Vivekananda who was a student of Sri Ramakrishna and a contemporary of Yogananda. In this book the practice of many of these secret Yogas are discussed and explained.

Jesus the Christ/Christos/Krishna spirit incarnation essentially became an Avatar at the time of what you refer to as ascension. This concept is best understood if you realize the long held knowledge of the Yogis of the Indian/Persian (which the magi which came to Jesus's birth) come from. There is much material that needs to be studied and understood before this can be fully grasped. This is what I mean by the previous post that the bones of Jesus will not be found in a box.

[Finefeather]

Hi All...try and read this with an open mind.

All truth must be free...no one should pay for it...despite the many arguments by those who claim people must make a living...this is a concept of man seeking self enrichment from the ignorant...

Ok, so I posted somewhere that Bill's summary is the best I have seen in my life...of course this is based on the writings and information he has read and has at his disposal. Some of the information he used was not altogether correct...as usual we often have too much faith in those who write these articles and books. References from people like
David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons” have little value when the bigger picture is evident.
However, The main reason I have that opinion is because of his reference to the Essenes and the general chronology or layout of his summary...although dates are far off. The content needs more refining.
I also posted earlier on this thread here...
...a man known as Jeshu (Jesus) was born. He was a high adept and disciple of the Planetary Hierarchy were I made reference to the Planetary Hierarchy but not one person even gave that a thought, I guess.

The true situation will never be clear until we back off from all the garbage written and the non sense which people formulate in their imaginations in the quest to gain some fame in the annuls of history. I am not saying that there is not truth out there...I am saying that we choose the ones who best 'resonate' with our own current thinking or consciousness...this may be far from the truth. We have this child like conception that our intelligence is top notch and our abilities to spot the facts is flawless. The very fact that we are on the reincarnation cycle should tell us that we have'nt got it all yet. If we are here on some 'mission' we will know for sure...and I am not referring to those who 'believe' they are.

Not much has been written about the Planetary Hierarchy because we have been cleverly sidetracked from the very source of truth...the biggest nightmare for the Archons or what ever we want to call them.

Jeshu(Jesus)/Christos-Maitreya was a direct intervention from the Planetary Hierarchy.


. Jeshu, in the gospels called Jesus, was born in Judaea by Israelite parents in the year 105 B.C.
They were very wealthy and belonged to the highest social class. Mary had been offered to give birth to an avatar, and since both she and her husband Joseph were gnosticians, they knew what this meant. They left their son entirely free to develop in the manner he found suitable himself.
At the age of 12 years he entered the Essene Order.
The Essene Order was a secret society with headquarters in the southern Judaean desert.
Outwardly it described itself as the “school for prophets” of Israel. It was founded in about 150 B.C. by a Jew who had been initiated into the ancient Chaldean kabbalism. He wanted to furnish the relatively young Jewish nation with a secret society and an esoteric doctrine of its own. The esoteric facts he compiled were given terms taken from the “sacred” writings of the Jews. Fanciful additions made up for the missing facts. The Jewish Kabbala thus created was revised several times down to modern times.

. It was the Essenes who pronounced the sentence of death upon Jeshu.

. Jeshu was, of course, fully aware of his calling to become the instrument of the manifestal self Maitreya, by lending him his physical body.

. When 19 years old he travelled to an Essene monastery at Mount Serbal, and took advantage of its library

. From Serbal he travelled to Egypt where, in an esoteric temple, he acquired essential consciousness. He travelled further to India and Tibet, where he stayed in a monastery until the fixed time had come for him to return to Palestine. This was in 76 B.C., when he was 29 years old.

. The true story about the life of Jeshu, as it is recorded in the planetary memory, has not been allowed for publication as yet.

. Maitreya is that manifestal self (43) who took over Gautama Buddha’s function as the head of our planet’s second main department, when Gautama continued his extraplanetary consciousness expansion. Maitreya is the global hierarchy’s supervisor of philosophies and religions.

. In the year 76 B.C., Maitreya took over that physical body which Jeshu had carefully
fashioned for his task. During the following three years he worked chiefly in Palestine.

. This activity was suddenly interrupted in the year 72 B.C., when by order of the Essene Order the Sanhedrin in all secrecy sentenced Jeshu to death, whereupon he was stoned by a stirred-up mob. It was not Christos who was stoned but Jeshu, since he had by then retrieved his lent organism.
Christos-Maitreya did not at all “go up into heaven” but lived in his etheric envelope among his initiated disciples during many years after the stoning, teaching them. Most of them had acquired etheric vision as well as emotional clairvoyance.

Now the question is...why is the true gnostic writings so important and so secret?

What we have called the Archons...Archon is a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord," is simply the Illuminati as we have grouped them today. Most of the John Lash story is garbage because he has not achieved objective emotional consciousness which means he has no self determined objective facts...only his rather imaginative emotional ideas and mental fictions...what he has done though is at least sowed a seed although fear based, which is negative. If he knew more he might have suggested a way out, and lost the fear tactic...I am not an expert on his writings so if I missed something educate me.

The truth of the matter is that there is...ONLY on our world...for reasons I do not want to go into now...a large group of individuals called the Dark Lodge or Dark Brothers they are active in our space, and they...with a large diversity of talents...are attempting to slow down and even halt the consciousness growth of humanity.

I posted here:


Satan is the collective state of the Dark Lodge who are responsible for involution. Some other names for them are Archons, Illuminati etc.
They have 3 main levels in their hierarchy:
1. The Lords of Darkness or sometimes called Cosmic Black Magicians...these are the top dogs.
2. The band of Black Magicians in the astral planes who influence anyone negatively, when and wherever the opportunity arises, both in the astral plane and on the physical plane...nasty bunch. Their main aim is to slow down evolutionary growth of consciousness. Most of them have broken the link between their 2nd Self ('Higher Self')(Causal Envelope) and the first Self...which is what we are all currently termed whilst in the reincarnation cycle. This is the story of the 'soulless' ones we hear about.
3. The Illuminati on the physical plane who fight for power and control of the earth. Most of those who we think are top bad guys on earth are merely puppets for the higher order. There are no Lords of Darkness on the earth plane, because they are not able to incarnate into bodies because they do not have a causal envelope.


Simply what this boils down to is that they will do anything to keep us on the reincarnation cycle, because they need someone to control and someone to feed off, emotionally, because they are unable to gain higher consciousness for the rest of this eon...so they need to take us with them for the ride.
They do not play by the same rules as one should based on the laws of life and nature.
They are basically weak but appear strong only because they realise that if we use the same rules as they do...wars, murders, rapes, abductions, hatred etc etc we will never achieve consciousness growth....it is as simple as that...but do not underestimate the adversary.

For those interested further, here are some links to this information...and feel free to contact me if you think you are ready to change your life...and it may not be an easy road.

The Planetary Hierarchy:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_5.pdf

Gnostics:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_2.pdf

The Black Lodge
http://www.laurency.com/L5e/L5e23.pdf

Take care and love to all
Ray

[AlaBil]

I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.
Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.
There was certainly a historical Jesus.
He was both a [non-violent] revolutionary, rather like Gandhi, and an inspirational spiritual leader who really did have, or really was, something very special.
The parts of his story that later became enshrined in Salvationism (the best term for the metaphysics of the Roman Church) -- the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story (which, before it was written by anyone, were recounted by word of mouth).
That celebrated and much promoted mythology is not the Jesus story at all, and is merely a distraction. It was the world's first major (and effective) disinfo campaign. (Remember: disinfo = part truth, part fiction).
None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.
The stories of what he really was, taught, and stood for have all been expunged from history. Books -- some of them scholarly historical accounts (like the Gospel of Thomas, which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy. Many books mentioned in earlier texts have not yet surfaced at all and we can only guess at their contents. We still wouldn't know about much of this at all if it hadn't been for the chance discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls in 1945.
The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?

Bill, this has always been one of my main questions, Why was this erased?

In a book by Peter Novak, “Original Christianity”, 2005 he has this section labeled Constantine’s Choice, which really answers for me, the why question.

"In addition to Valentinus, Clement, and Origen, we know that many other prominent figures in the early church taught a form of Christianity that included belief in reincarnation. But we know too that the concept of reincarnation did not mesh with the empire’s political needs. And, of course that the church subsequently edited and modified the literature of the time to suit its purposes. Knowing all that only one question remains: Did Constantine intentionally compromise Christ’s original teachings to further his political ambitions?

...Constantine didn’t think anything was forbidden him. Although he paid lip service to Christianity, Constantine demonstrated virtually no loyalty to Christ’s teachings. In the course of his life, he murdered his own wife, his eldest son, and many of his closest friends and reveled in the mutilation and torture of political enemies and prisoners of war... Although he claimed to be a Christian, he at the same time also worshiped the traditional roman sun god. Such a life would seem to be a far cry from the ideals and teachings of Christ, but it does seem to have a lot in common with the subsequent history of the official church...

...Constantine found himself facing yet another domestic crisis over religion. In the East, rioting was breaking out in one city after another; bishop was contending against bishop and people were fighting in the streets... He needed a united church for his united empire, so for the first time in the history of the church, the state intervened in a dispute about belief.

By Constantine’s orders 1800 bishops from all corners of the empire were invited to attend a great church council at Nicaea, but only about 300 answered the imperial summons...At the heart of the matter to be addressed was a simple question: Had Jesus always been God, or had He once just been a man who at some point became God’s Son? Was there, in other words, a time when the Father alone existed, but not the Son? this was no mere academic question. If Jesus was originally a man who later became God’s son, that implied that other men could potentially also become Sons of God. And if others could become Sons of God, then no one would need the church for their salvation, but could instead achieve that goal on their own, the same way Christ did. This question was ripping the church apart, just when Constantine need it to hold the empire together.

It was decided in that meeting that Jesus had always been God, and that other men could not follow in his footsteps to achieve the same result. The council declared that the souls of men were not like Jesus’ soul and did not, in and of themselves, possess inherent potential for divinity. While Christ’s soul had always existed, the council decided, man’s soul was a created thing and did not come into existence until the person was physically born. There was thus a huge gulf between God and man, and the church was the only bridge between them. In short, man had to rely on the church to acquire eternal life. In denying the soul’s divine origin, the council implicitly ruled out all possibility or preexistence and reincarnation, while emphasizing the power and authority of the church over the individual. In the end, one definition of Christianly was chosen in the meeting and all other rejected. Shortly after, the Christian persecutions began anew, this time orchestrated by the church itself."

I can't find any of this online, but here is the link to the amazon page of the book...http://www.amazon.com/Original-Christianity-Understanding-Gospel-Scriptures/dp/1571744452/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375910089&sr=1-2

[heyokah]

.............. What we have called the Archons...Archon is a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord," is simply the Illuminati as we have grouped them today. Most of the John Lash story is garbage because he has not achieved objective emotional consciousness which means he has no self determined objective facts...only his rather imaginative emotional ideas and mental fictions...what he has done though is at least sowed a seed although fear based, which is negative. If he knew more he might have suggested a way out, and lost the fear tactic...I am not an expert on his writings so if I missed something educate me.

Hallo Ray,

Since you asked to be 'educated' about John Lash and his solutions, or as you said 'his lack of suggestions about a way out', I offer you one out of many interviews with him....... without 'fear tactic' :wink:


John Lash, The Archon Solution.

Shattering The Matrix" has another guest John Lamb Lash, author of "Not In His Image", who has given us scholarly and epic perceptions and "Inner"- standings, derived from Gnostic Traditions, about the history of our planet, our Mother, human history and what has happened on this planet. John has been able, without limitation, to piece together the disconnected interpretations of the Nag Hammadi Library so that we have a cohesive view of what the Gnostics understood and their warnings to Humanity about this great interference which was clear to them thousands of years ago.
In this interview we cover the history of this planet, the creation of those creatures who interfere greatly with humanity without our knowledge nor consent, the descriptions of those creatures and their artificial cyborg intelligence and how this false intelligence has so greatly manipulated humanity into its own limitation/imitation realities based on their own psychopathy and need to corrupt that which they can never possess.
We have a lively discussion with personal insight and humor, the conditions that prevail in our world today and most importantly how to overcome them with the singularity that is BEAUTY, and simple love of The Mother, which is what we, the show hosts, personally base our lives on. These solutions require further in depth discussions and repetition in order to breakdown the eons-long-hypnosis and entrainment of archontic impressionism onto our own human mind and spirit, to reawaken us to our true natures and the simple and almost effortless path to self-sovereignty through the luminosity of the beauty of our organic spirit and light.


jwXU5hVaNKs

[good point]

Enemies of Gnostic as early Christians is a myth to overcome. Christians haven't changed in their worship, as Jews were discovered to be unholy in their religion. Slavery is an older idea than salvation.

[marlowe]

Enemies of Gnostic as early Christians is a myth to overcome. Christians haven't changed in their worship, as Jews were discovered to be unholy in their religion. Slavery is an older idea than salvation.

Excuse me but I cannot understand what you are saying here....Are you saying that it is a myth that the Gnostics were persicuted by the early Christians ?

And are you saying the Jews were unholy in their religion .??

[good point]

The Christian relevance is of migration away from the Jewish religion (not necessarily Hebrews) and the Crusades. In a matter of an "all loving God", the holiness of the Christ versus the denial of Christ as a Jew was, is the Earliest Christianity in its beginnings with Early Christian science which was largely being held in Israel, Arabia, beforehand Egypt. Persecution is not execution, only enemies are executed.

[norman]

By Constantine’s orders 1800 bishops from all corners of the empire were invited to attend a great church council at Nicaea, but only about 300 answered the imperial summons...At the heart of the matter to be addressed was a simple question: Had Jesus always been God, or had He once just been a man who at some point became God’s Son? Was there, in other words, a time when the Father alone existed, but not the Son? this was no mere academic question. If Jesus was originally a man who later became God’s son, that implied that other men could potentially also become Sons of God. And if others could become Sons of God, then no one would need the church for their salvation, but could instead achieve that goal on their own, the same way Christ did. This question was ripping the church apart, just when Constantine need it to hold the empire together.

It was decided in that meeting that Jesus had always been God, and that other men could not follow in his footsteps to achieve the same result. The council declared that the souls of men were not like Jesus’ soul and did not, in and of themselves, possess inherent potential for divinity. While Christ’s soul had always existed, the council decided, man’s soul was a created thing and did not come into existence until the person was physically born. There was thus a huge gulf between God and man, and the church was the only bridge between them. In short, man had to rely on the church to acquire eternal life. In denying the soul’s divine origin, the council implicitly ruled out all possibility or preexistence and reincarnation, while emphasizing the power and authority of the church over the individual. In the end, one definition of Christianly was chosen in the meeting and all other rejected. Shortly after, the Christian persecutions began anew, this time orchestrated by the church itself."



Whaw !... thanks AlaBil.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell, for how ( and sort of why - but ).

I'm still in the fog about why all this power and control is happening for what seems like forever.

[nomadguy]

I want to chime in on where a man of the background and time of Jesus may have studied. He could have studied with the Druids.
That is possible, a quick note that in ancient history the Irish had foreign visitors, ~that were received fairly well called the Turanians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanians)
There is a lot of unknowns about these people also called the Alans from another source. The fact that these people we very well received by the Irish is a clue that they were known to the Irish previously.

Also,

"Pliny speaks thus of the Druids, "A man would think the Persians learned all their magic from them;"" (as in Pliny the Elder)
- link (http://www.libraryireland.com/Druids/Opinions-on-Irish-Druids.php)

Here is the wikipedia text on them,

"Turanian is a controversial term[1] that has been used in reference to diverse groups of people. It has currency in Turkish nationalism, Turanism, Turanian Society and Pan-Turkism.
Many of the uses of the word are obsolete. It may be:

An Iranian ethnic group mentioned in the Avesta, see Turan.
Any historical people of Transoxiana or present-day Turkistan.
Any historical Ural–Altaic people, in particular:
The Turkic peoples during Turkic expansion.
The Huns described by the Europeans and Chinese.
The Mongols, who are distantly related to the Turks.
Some sources have mentioned the Japanese people.
The Sami or Lapps of northern Scandinavia.
Finno-Ugric peoples like the Finns, Estonians and Hungarians.
The Dravidian people of southern India and Pakistan are theorized to have Turanian ancestors.
Speakers of Caucasian Languages.
Non-Semitic and non-Indo-European peoples of the Late Bronze Age were theorized to have Turanian ancestors, see Hurro-Urartian and Etruscans.
The Basques of western Europe (northern Spain and southwest France) were theorized to have Turanian ancestors.
Turanianism promotes the idea of Turanians are the oldest ethnocultural groups of humanity, and how East Asians, sub-Saharan Africans, white Caucasians or Indo-Europeans ("Aryans"), and indigenous peoples of the Americas are theoretic descendants of a former Turanian "race" of the last ice age.
The term formerly used for the Caucasian Avars."


Here is another interesting text on the subject
The Arcane Schools by John Yarker
CHAPTER II.
PROTO-ARYAN CIVILISATION AND MYSTERIES (http://hermetic.com/yarker/the-arcane-schools/proto-aryan-civilisation-and-mysteries.html)

[Marin]

Where to start….

There are so many pieces of this puzzle that fascinate me. Truly. Understanding the "real" history of Yeshua and Mary Magdalelne requires a considerable about of digging and tenacity. I might even add - a fair share of intuition.

As Christine mentioned earlier, I don't doubt some here on Avalon were a part of Yeshua's teachings. Some may have been temple initiates alongside Mary Magdalene. Perhaps both.

What happened in 310AD during the time of Constantine changed the game in terms of our written history of this story. However, not forever. The truth often finds a way. With the uncovering of the Nag Hammadi as well as the teachings of the ancient mystery schools and indigenous cultures starting to surface - a more complete picture is starting to emerge.

As Jay Weider pointed out in his earlier interview:


"We must realize that we can tell which ideas are the truest by how much they are repressed. When they are suppressing an idea, a language, or individuals [or a way of being] you know you have accessed the truth or that individual is portraying the truth."

And yes, the story behind Mary Magdalene may well be one of the best smear campaigns.

Here's one of my favorite descriptions of Mary Magdalene - originally authored at http://www.goddesswithin.co.uk/magdalene.html



High Priestess and Great Goddess


"The name Magdalene is most popularly known as belonging to Mary Magdalene. Much has been written about this woman in recent years as people´s interest in her and desire to understand her role in the life of Jesus is explored.

Many books have been written about the life of Mary Magdalene and her relationship to Jesus. Some say she was his wife, some that they had a daughter named Sarah and she and Mary spent their final years in France or Wales.

So what do these tales say? They say she was the wife of Jesus, Mother to his children and an equal to him in his ministry as the Christ. They say she was a High Priestess of Egyptian origin of the temple of Isis. They say she was the feminine principle of balance in the sacred union of Jesus and Mary, the feminine flame of the Christ consciousness and harbinger also with Jesus of the Piscean Age. They also say she was a scarlet woman, a prostitute and someone whom the other disciples felt much jealousy towards.

So how are we to know the truth here over 2000 years after the life of this person was recorded? How are we to understand how Mary Magdalene relates to us now.

We can begin by looking at the word Magdalene. Some authors say that this word Magdalene was a title, a rank of office as such representing someone holding certain knowledge, a carrier of a sacred fire. I believe that this word Magdalene was a name given to a woman who was a Priestess and a high initiate of esoteric knowledge.

We also have the myth cycle of the Magdalene which links her to the myth cycle of the Great Goddess. In the bible stories she was the initiator of Jesus, she anointed him at various times in the New Testament tales both at significant times in his life and also in death. In post-biblical times she is seen painted with a skull at her feet and at one of the most famous of chapels dedicated to her, that of Rennes le Chateau, she is carved again with a skull.

Much mystery and conjecture surround Mary Magdalene both the woman and the energy she represents.

And so we come to the Magdalene energy itself and the Magdalene Flame. If we move aside the personification and historical life of the Woman Mary Magdalene we are left with a signature of energies that give us an idea of what this word Magdalene represents and we can make comparisons between the mythology of Magdalene and that of the Great Goddess.

Throughout time the Great Goddess has been known as "The One with Many Faces" and we are all familiar with some of these. Be it as Isis of Egypt, Mary the Virgin Mother of God, Quan Yin, Rhiannon, Venus or Aphrodite. All these words represent aspects of the Goddess, aspect of the plethora of energies that make up the powerful creative force of the Divine Feminine.

Many of the tales of the Magdalene have been twisted and misrepresented by the Bible editors and much of the original meaning of her life and myth may have been removed or flipped to be the complete opposite of what is now coming to light. We will aim to correct some of this here.

When we look at the Magdalene energy in relation to the life of the most famous of its Priestess, Mary, we can see similarities between her stories and those of the Goddess.

Mary Magdalene was represented as the whore or prostitute, a word we have come to associate with the sale of sexual favors for money. However, in relation to Mary Magdalene this truly meant she was an initiate of the Ancient Egyptian Mystery school of the Goddess Isis. In this aspect Mary Magdalene embodies the Goddess as Lover, as keeper of the secrets of spiritual illumination through orgasmic surrender during sacred union. Some of you may know of the ritual called heiros gamos or in pagan terms the great rite which is a representation of this seeing the Divine at the time of orgasm.

Mary Magdalene anoints and washes JC´s feet. In this we can see a representation of the Great Goddess as the one who bestows Kingship. In many myths around the world a Goddess figure anoints a man worthy of the throne of Kingship only after he professes his love for the Goddess. It is only through Her the man can become King. In this aspect we see the mystery of obtaining a higher rank or status that can only be given through the initiate or candidate honouring the Divine Feminine.

Later in his death Mary Magdalene is seen anointing the body of JC, preparing him for his entrance into the underworld. Here we see signatures of the Goddess as Bringer in of Death, as the one who anoints us and leads us into the underworld tomb of her womb for regeneration. In ancient times it was the older women, the Crones, who were responsible for death rites and preparing the soul for regeneration and here we have Mary Magdalene preparing the body of JC.

The only aspect of Goddess missing from the myths and stories of the Magdalene are those of Magdalene as Virgin and Mother, and we can clearly see these reflected in the life of Mary the Virgin Mother. Perhaps it is more than coincidence then that Mary the Mother and Virgin is today seen to have been the Teacher of Mary Magdalene and a member of the same Priestesshood.

So this historical figure has many of the Goddess myths and symbols related to her. She is the annointer or initiator, the lover and the bringer in of death. She is the woman who knows how to use and honour the magic created during sexual communion and to offer this knowledge to those she loves for their spiritual development. She is all things Goddess.

And so we have learnt something other than the traditional stories of Mary Magdalene and had a taste of what this title Magdalene represents. And so we look now at the energies of this past couple of years and the meaning and emergence of the Magdalene Flame.

The energy of the Magdalene Flame is a bridging energy, a force that has been embodied by many masters on the earth, and known by many names, perhaps most commonly as Christ Consciousness. This energy is also known as Maitreya and is one of the three primary forces brought forth from the Divine Source. The Divine Source transcends all separation and is balanced masculine and feminine, yet in our limited world of duality the source carries two distinct polarities those of God and Goddess.

On Earth the energy of the Maitreya or Christ energy has principally been seen as a masculine force. Yet in ancient times this force was also manifest in its feminine aspect, as the Magdalene Flame. So the Magdalene Flame is the feminine polarity of the Maitreya or Christ Consciousness.

The Magdalane Flame serves to connect humanity not with the masculine counterpart of the Christ consciousness, the Divine Father but with the feminine counterpart of the Christ consciousness, the Divine Mother, the Great Goddess.

It was around two thousand years ago that the Magdalene Flame was last embodied by a human, by Mary Magdalene herself and this is where we get the name this energy will carry through our age. It was the union of the Magdalene Flame and the Anointed Spark Jesus carried that brought about the beginning of end of the Age of Pisces, where the masculine principle, patriarchy was set to express itself as the dominant force for 2000 years. This was always part of the divine plan because to remember something we must first forget about it.

And so we come to it, in this our time at the Dawn of Aquarian age that we must bring back, remember the energy of the Magdalene, the energy of the Divine Feminine and Great Goddess. And bring this into sacred union with the new masculine forces to create a balance of energy in our hearts, minds, society and culture."

[wobbegong]

[/COLOR]
Great Post Bill! I believe ghostrider touched on the subject of my next thought which is the THE TALMUD JMMANUEL. Have you looked at this by chance?

Identical information here Sith ... perhaps coincidence hey! ;-)

A document was discovered in 1963 by a Greek Catholic Priest who had become a "contact" for the Cosmic Messengers who led him to this "lost" scroll. This Priest was persecuted and finally was killed, but not before he translated part of it and gave it to another man, Billy Meier from Switzerland, who would also become a contact. This document represents the true story of the life of the one commonly known as "Jesus of Nazareth". It is told by Jesus AND his disciple Judas Iscarioth who was also his scribe. For the first time in history Judas Iscarioth's name is cleared because he was NOT the one who "betrayed" Jesus. Absolute clarification of the numerous falsifications, misrepresentations and history 2000 years ago is given. Some of the many questions answered are:

* How was Christ conceived and why Mary was chosen?
* What was His true name at birth (Immanuel) and why was it changed to "Jesus" which means "The Anointed"?
* Who were the actual "teachers" of Immanuel?
* Who is GOD and what is THE CREATION above God?
* What are the true Laws of God and The Creation?
* What did Immanuel teach about Personal Responsibility?
* Who actually "betrayed" Immanuel and why was Judas Iscarioth blamed?
* What is the true purpose of Baptism?
* What was the purpose and meaning of Immanuel's Crucifixion and the Resurrection?
* What became of Immanuel after His Resurrection?
* What is the "Curse of Israel" and why is there a curse?
* What is Immanuel's and OUR connection with Celestial Messengers?
* Are we on Earth currently living in "The End Times" as predicted in Revelations?
* Why did Immanuel promise to return to us and do we know when?


read here...
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/PJ_02.pdf

Eric/viking
Thankyou viking, Sith73, ghostrider for mentioning the Talmud Jmmanuel - IMO it definitely deserves a place in this thread.
It was a book that George Green very much recommended and personally I liked, I even translated it into another language for some personal friends of mine, so I truly believed it was an amazing discovery. Nevertheless, recently I've had many doubts about some (NOT all) of its contents.
Not things that I could confute with facts, for example:
- it seems very anti Semitic - just a wrong feeling I get about it, in spite of a lot of controversial issues, with Israel;
- it talks about the 'end times', a bit in tune with the 2012 prophecies that have been proven wrong. He does say 'in two times a thousand years' so if Jmmanuel was in his 30es it could easily be something around 2030, and he does say it's hard to know exactly when, but he also says that we wouldn't survive without the help of powerful nations - is the book preparing us for the Intervention?
- linked to the point above, I also remember a phrase like '...it will be a time when many gods will try to rule...', very true, many ET visitors have convinced humans that they are some sort of gods, so is he saying that the 'powerful nations', instead, will be the only honest ETs coming to rescue us?
Just some food for thought, but like I said, I wouldn't really be able to strongly argue about this, I am only interested in other opinions that might help my ones:confused:

There is also another question I have to ask Bill Ryan about this - I would be grateful if you could answer, Bill.
The TJ was highly endorsed by George Green, it was sort of an addendum to the Handbooks of the NP, which at one point (around the times of the old Avalon forum) you considered a 'mandatory' read for the 'Ground Crew'. I now have some doubts about some (only some) of the info in those Handbooks, so I was wondering, Bill (in light of the TJ and Handbooks connection) you haven't mentioned anything in this thread about the TJ (unless I missed a post), is there a particular reason?

[bodhibeth]

This version makes so much more sense to me <3 thank you for posting
Namaste

[Finefeather]

Since you asked to be 'educated' about John Lash and his solutions, or as you said 'his lack of suggestions about a way out', I offer you one out of many interviews with him....... without 'fear tactic' :wink:

I am aware that some may think that this may not be the place to post this but because the title of the thread includes the Archons, I will, because IMO it is core to understanding this whole issue.

Thanks for this video talk heyokah...for my education :) I did listen to all of it. :)
Can I guess that you have not read the linked pdf I posted concerning the Dark Lodge?

As I said...I am not an expert on John Lash's writings and the little I have read and listened to is evidence to me of what I posted, concerning his work. This video talk confirms and strengthens my criticism of his work and my statement that most of what he writes or knows is garbage. I think I can now call myself an expert in his thinking.

Criticism in my mind is a right which we all have to set the record straight, or to point out fictitious renderings of reality. I am more than aware of the workings of the imagination when fuelled by an untrained mind. What we need to always try to gauge is the motive of the person, especially when he/she has a number of books out there for sale. I do detect in his tone an element of arrogance, but this may also just be his enthusiasm to tell his story. I have no motive or agenda to need to criticise his work other than the interest to support and preserve truth and reality.

He consistently refers to the gnostic writings...which is good...ONLY if you are able to interpret the real meaning behind what is written...and it is more than evident to me that he is not. Literal translation of gnostic writings is a fatal error.

The most amazing nonsense...which is the basis of his story and the core of the fiction which sells his books...is that he writes, and claims it comes from the gnostic writings, that the Archons were created by a bunch of Gods...who “sit around and invent experiments for their own entertainment” ...his very words! Then...to top it off...one of them, called Sophia, “accidentally produced the Archons”... What utter nonsense!

He weaves his story in and out of a fine line of some emotionally capturing ideas, and some obvious truths, which captivate the ignorant audience and the people who rush off to buy his books. This is a very common technique used by clever writers to captivate and mesmerize their audience...a speciality of the Archons. Drunvalo Melchizedeck is another example, and he is one of the tools of the Dark Lodge/Archons.

This forum is teeming with people caught up in the illusions created by the Archons/Dark Brothers, The Horus Ra thread comes to mind.

There is just too much to comment on in this video talk which is all a result of his lack of understanding of reality and his insistence that he knows the meaning of the gnostic writings.

He would probably be a great guy to take with and sit down and chat to around the campfire ;)

Take care now
Ray

[Sunny-side-up]

This forum is teeming with people caught up in the illusions created by the Archons/Dark Brothers, The Horus Ra thread comes to mind.
Ray

Hi Finefeather / Ray I have saved your other post and downloaded your fore-mentioned vid,s which I will soon sit down and study. This subject does worry me, I need to know about them enough to clear my mind about them. Hopefully your links will sort me out :)

[heyokah]

Since you asked to be 'educated' about John Lash and his solutions, or as you said 'his lack of suggestions about a way out', I offer you one out of many interviews with him....... without 'fear tactic' :wink:

I am aware that some may think that this may not be the place to post this but because the title of the thread includes the Archons, I will, because IMO it is core to understanding this whole issue.

Thanks for this video talk heyokah...for my education :) I did listen to all of it. :)
Can I guess that you have not read the linked pdf I posted concerning the Dark Lodge?

As I said...I am not an expert on John Lash's writings and the little I have read and listened to is evidence to me of what I posted, concerning his work. This video talk confirms and strengthens my criticism of his work and my statement that most of what he writes or knows is garbage. I think I can now call myself an expert in his thinking.

Criticism in my mind is a right which we all have to set the record straight, or to point out fictitious renderings of reality. I am more than aware of the workings of the imagination when fuelled by an untrained mind. What we need to always try to gauge is the motive of the person, especially when he/she has a number of books out there for sale. I do detect in his tone an element of arrogance, but this may also just be his enthusiasm to tell his story. I have no motive or agenda to need to criticise his work other than the interest to support and preserve truth and reality.

He consistently refers to the gnostic writings...which is good...ONLY if you are able to interpret the real meaning behind what is written...and it is more than evident to me that he is not. Literal translation of gnostic writings is a fatal error.

The most amazing nonsense...which is the basis of his story and the core of the fiction which sells his books...is that he writes, and claims it comes from the gnostic writings, that the Archons were created by a bunch of Gods...who “sit around and invent experiments for their own entertainment” ...his very words! Then...to top it off...one of them, called Sophia, “accidentally produced the Archons”... What utter nonsense!

He weaves his story in and out of a fine line of some emotionally capturing ideas, and some obvious truths, which captivate the ignorant audience and the people who rush off to buy his books. This is a very common technique used by clever writers to captivate and mesmerize their audience...a speciality of the Archons. Drunvalo Melchizedeck is another example, and he is one of the tools of the Dark Lodge/Archons.

This forum is teeming with people caught up in the illusions created by the Archons/Dark Brothers, The Horus Ra thread comes to mind.

There is just too much to comment on in this video talk which is all a result of his lack of understanding of reality and his insistence that he knows the meaning of the gnostic writings.

He would probably be a great guy to take with and sit down and chat to around the campfire ;)

Take care now
Ray

WOW, thanks for the ride!........ You should write a book . :wink:

[Finefeather]

WOW, thanks for the ride!........ You should write a book . :wink:
My pleasure...the book is written...all you have to do is read it now...
With Love
Ray

[Delight]

That is possible, a quick note that in ancient history the Irish had foreign visitors, ~that were received fairly well called the Turanians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanians)


Thank you for the reference to Turanians... seems like this research needs its own thread.

Michael Tsarion states that the Druids were the keepers of the antediluvian heritage. They were destroyed in the time frame of an historic Jesus

http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/druidicsymbolism.html


The Druids were the oldest priesthood from the oldest civilization on earth. Egyptian religion and Judeo-Christianity were plagiarizations and corruptions of Druidic teachings and traditions. The word Druid means "Doorway," and also "Servent of Truth."
— Michael Tsarion; The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 2
This is a tie in to Mary Magdalene's lineage of Priestess

A number of factors led to the lack of knowledge concerning the Druids. Beginning in the first century A.D., the Roman Empire and the Christian Church suppressed the Druid teachings. Later, the Saxon invasion of Celtic lands eliminated the memory of the Druids. To preserve their knowledge, the Druids went underground and swore solemn oaths of secrecy.
— Robert Siblerud; Keepers of the Secrets (quoted by Michael Tsarion)

The Mary Magdalene would have been revered


Druids were attacked by the Christian church for their paganism, but especially for their propensity to include sacred women in their ranks.
— Barbara G. Walker; The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets

Dryadism and druidism were two phases of the same religion, evidently restricted to a female priesthood in the earlier, matriarchal stage, later open to male priests as well. Gaulish and British priests of the oak groves formed a class of bardic wizards, keeping a sacred tradition by memorizing orally transmitted material, the nucleus of medieval sagas, epics, and ballads.
— Barbara G. Walker; The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets

There seems to be a way back story about the struggle between Atonists and Amenists. Was Jesus an Amenist?.....


Michael Tsarion - Sorcerers and Magicians: Amenists, Atonists, Druids and Scythians
August 31, 2008
Michael Tsarion is a controversial alternative historian. He returns to the program to talk about his book "Astro-Theology and Sidereal Mythology" and his DVD about, ”Irish Origins of Civilization”. For this program, our theme is, ”Sorcerers and Magicians: Amenists, Atonists, Druids and Scythians”. This will take us from the ancient to the modern world. Later in the first hour, we discuss snake symbolism and the Egypt-Irish-Arya connection. During the members section interview, Michael talks about the Scythians, the Saca, Massagetae, Hyksos pharaohs, the Phoenicians, etymology, Atonists & Amenists, Roman elite families and Merovingians.

After the first hour, he talks about the birth of Christianity

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[Flash]

Ok, here a resume of what I understand of the Christ intervention, archons, dracos and mantids and humans situation.

Christ and Buddha came here to help us jump to higher dimensions/evolution of light, service to others, because the Dark Forces constantly work on regressing the human beings to control them and feed from them in many ways, their hold on humanity is sooooo strong that it is about impossible to achieve evolution without some help.

Allow me to post this diagram on Houman's thread and Simon Parkes one as well. Thanks.

Here a diagram of how I see it (I have not paid for the software yet (trial sample), so their name is in the background, sorry about this)

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If you click on the picture, it will enlarge

In pdf format: 22319

[Wind]

Drunvalo Melchizedeck is another example, and he is one of the tools of the Dark Lodge/Archons.

Finefeather, I would like to know more about this statement since I have watched many of Drunvalo's videos and I have enjoyed them. How do you know that he is their tool?

[Delight]

The English visionary poet and mystic, William Blake, asserted that Albion, the most ancient name for the British Isles, was actually the original and true Holy land of Christ, and Barry Dunfords revealing illustrated presentation demonstrates that there is genuine substance to this intriguing notion. Drawing on a wealth of reference source material, he investigates Blakes mystical vision of Albion as the true Holy Land of the Christ.

By deciphering clues from gaelic place names, together with well established regional traditions and legends, Barry Dunfords research supports the Blakean thesis of Jesus Christs presence in these islands. He also demonstrates that other members of the Holy Family are also likely to have travelled to Britain.

Historical & Spiritual Destiny of British Isles
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[Marin]

http://http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg

http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg


In one of the videos presented it shows the symbol on the front of the suspected Jesus family tomb. They did not go into detail about what/where this symbol came from--its meaning? im not too familiar with a triangle and a dot....any ideas or anyone know where these symbols derive from?

This might help - it's from Margaret Starbierd's website:


In recent years we have been provided information about several tombs discovered in the Southeastern suburbs of Jerusalem. In 2007 Simcha Jacobovici and his co-author Charles Pellegrino published The Jesus Family Tomb: The Evidence Behind the Discovery No One Wanted to Find along with a documentary about the “Talpiot Tomb,” revealing the intriguing fact that the 1st c. tomb, first discovered in 1980, contained ossuaries bearing the names of family members of Jesus, including “Maria,” “Mariamene Mara,” “Yeshua, son of Yosef,” “Jude, son of Yeshua,” and “Jose.”

And in 2013 we have were provided information by researcher Scott Woltor (The Hooked X) concerning a coin minted by the Knights of the Temple (Templars) in Jerusalem prior to their eviction from the Levant in 1291.

http://s2.postimg.org/71068on5l/chevron.jpg

We can clearly see the chevron and circle emblem above the Talpiot tomb repeated above the face in the coin. The “twin pillars” familiar in Freemasonic ritual are also visible on the coin, a remnant of Solomon’s Temple described in the Hebrew Bible, in 1 Kings 7: “Thus he set up the pillars at the porch of the nave; and he set up the right pillar and named it Jachin, and he set up the left pillar and named it Boaz.”

Apparently the chervron above a circle is a generic symbol for a temple, found on other coins minted in the Middle East. The emblem above the tomb appears to suggest that the tomb itself was considered a temple.

I suspect that the face on the coin is that of Christ and is, in fact, a reference to the Shroud of Turin which was in the custody of the Knights Templar and venerated as a “Head,” the long linen folded so that only the face was visible.

....

The Knights of the Temple of Solomon who minted their coin in the 13th century obviously associated the image of the Man in the Shroud with the Talpiot tomb (containing the ossuaries of Jesus and his family), and their own connection with the twin pillars of Solomon’s Temple."

http://www.margaretstarbird.net/blog.html

[johnf]

Hi All...try and read this with an open mind.

All truth must be free...no one should pay for it...despite the many arguments by those who claim people must make a living...this is a concept of man seeking self enrichment from the ignorant...

Ok, so I posted somewhere that Bill's summary is the best I have seen in my life...of course this is based on the writings and information he has read and has at his disposal. Some of the information he used was not altogether correct...as usual we often have too much faith in those who write these articles and books. References from people like
David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons” have little value when the bigger picture is evident.
However, The main reason I have that opinion is because of his reference to the Essenes and the general chronology or layout of his summary...although dates are far off. The content needs more refining.
I also posted earlier on this thread here...
...a man known as Jeshu (Jesus) was born. He was a high adept and disciple of the Planetary Hierarchy were I made reference to the Planetary Hierarchy but not one person even gave that a thought, I guess.

The true situation will never be clear until we back off from all the garbage written and the non sense which people formulate in their imaginations in the quest to gain some fame in the annuls of history. I am not saying that there is not truth out there...I am saying that we choose the ones who best 'resonate' with our own current thinking or consciousness...this may be far from the truth. We have this child like conception that our intelligence is top notch and our abilities to spot the facts is flawless. The very fact that we are on the reincarnation cycle should tell us that we have'nt got it all yet. If we are here on some 'mission' we will know for sure...and I am not referring to those who 'believe' they are.

Not much has been written about the Planetary Hierarchy because we have been cleverly sidetracked from the very source of truth...the biggest nightmare for the Archons or what ever we want to call them.

Jeshu(Jesus)/Christos-Maitreya was a direct intervention from the Planetary Hierarchy.


. Jeshu, in the gospels called Jesus, was born in Judaea by Israelite parents in the year 105 B.C.
They were very wealthy and belonged to the highest social class. Mary had been offered to give birth to an avatar, and since both she and her husband Joseph were gnosticians, they knew what this meant. They left their son entirely free to develop in the manner he found suitable himself.
At the age of 12 years he entered the Essene Order.
The Essene Order was a secret society with headquarters in the southern Judaean desert.
Outwardly it described itself as the “school for prophets” of Israel. It was founded in about 150 B.C. by a Jew who had been initiated into the ancient Chaldean kabbalism. He wanted to furnish the relatively young Jewish nation with a secret society and an esoteric doctrine of its own. The esoteric facts he compiled were given terms taken from the “sacred” writings of the Jews. Fanciful additions made up for the missing facts. The Jewish Kabbala thus created was revised several times down to modern times.

. It was the Essenes who pronounced the sentence of death upon Jeshu.

. Jeshu was, of course, fully aware of his calling to become the instrument of the manifestal self Maitreya, by lending him his physical body.

. When 19 years old he travelled to an Essene monastery at Mount Serbal, and took advantage of its library

. From Serbal he travelled to Egypt where, in an esoteric temple, he acquired essential consciousness. He travelled further to India and Tibet, where he stayed in a monastery until the fixed time had come for him to return to Palestine. This was in 76 B.C., when he was 29 years old.

. The true story about the life of Jeshu, as it is recorded in the planetary memory, has not been allowed for publication as yet.

. Maitreya is that manifestal self (43) who took over Gautama Buddha’s function as the head of our planet’s second main department, when Gautama continued his extraplanetary consciousness expansion. Maitreya is the global hierarchy’s supervisor of philosophies and religions.

. In the year 76 B.C., Maitreya took over that physical body which Jeshu had carefully
fashioned for his task. During the following three years he worked chiefly in Palestine.

. This activity was suddenly interrupted in the year 72 B.C., when by order of the Essene Order the Sanhedrin in all secrecy sentenced Jeshu to death, whereupon he was stoned by a stirred-up mob. It was not Christos who was stoned but Jeshu, since he had by then retrieved his lent organism.
Christos-Maitreya did not at all “go up into heaven” but lived in his etheric envelope among his initiated disciples during many years after the stoning, teaching them. Most of them had acquired etheric vision as well as emotional clairvoyance. Now the question is...why is the true gnostic writings so important and so secret?

What we have called the Archons...Archon is a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord," is simply the Illuminati as we have grouped them today. Most of the John Lash story is garbage because he has not achieved objective emotional consciousness which means he has no self determined objective facts...only his rather imaginative emotional ideas and mental fictions...what he has done though is at least sowed a seed although fear based, which is negative. If he knew more he might have suggested a way out, and lost the fear tactic...I am not an expert on his writings so if I missed something educate me.

The truth of the matter is that there is...ONLY on our world...for reasons I do not want to go into now...a large group of individuals called the Dark Lodge or Dark Brothers they are active in our space, and they...with a large diversity of talents...are attempting to slow down and even halt the consciousness growth of humanity.

I posted here:


Satan is the collective state of the Dark Lodge who are responsible for involution. Some other names for them are Archons, Illuminati etc.
They have 3 main levels in their hierarchy:
1. The Lords of Darkness or sometimes called Cosmic Black Magicians...these are the top dogs.
2. The band of Black Magicians in the astral planes who influence anyone negatively, when and wherever the opportunity arises, both in the astral plane and on the physical plane...nasty bunch. Their main aim is to slow down evolutionary growth of consciousness. Most of them have broken the link between their 2nd Self ('Higher Self')(Causal Envelope) and the first Self...which is what we are all currently termed whilst in the reincarnation cycle. This is the story of the 'soulless' ones we hear about.
3. The Illuminati on the physical plane who fight for power and control of the earth. Most of those who we think are top bad guys on earth are merely puppets for the higher order. There are no Lords of Darkness on the earth plane, because they are not able to incarnate into bodies because they do not have a causal envelope.


Simply what this boils down to is that they will do anything to keep us on the reincarnation cycle, because they need someone to control and someone to feed off, emotionally, because they are unable to gain higher consciousness for the rest of this eon...so they need to take us with them for the ride.
They do not play by the same rules as one should based on the laws of life and nature.
They are basically weak but appear strong only because they realise that if we use the same rules as they do...wars, murders, rapes, abductions, hatred etc etc we will never achieve consciousness growth....it is as simple as that...but do not underestimate the adversary.

For those interested further, here are some links to this information...and feel free to contact me if you think you are ready to change your life...and it may not be an easy road.

The Planetary Hierarchy:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_5.pdf

Gnostics:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_2.pdf

The Black Lodge
http://www.laurency.com/L5e/L5e23.pdf

Take care and love to all
Ray

Thank you Finefeather for these links.
I read the introductions to each of these, and will spend some time reading the rest of them.
It adds what I think are some needed details into how world religions, mystery schools are started at the end of an age, and what happens to them as the centuries roll by.
I get leary of discussions about who the real jesus was because of the brand name phenomena.
I do think that Jesus etc had access to timeless truths, and helped certain numbers of people to access those truths within them selves.
I really like to focus on the study of those type of things, principles you could call them as opposed to the personalities.
There has been a lot of pressure through the ages around the idea that there was only one true teacher, and we are here to make sure you are following what we say that teacher taught.

jf

[Finefeather]

Drunvalo Melchizedeck is another example, and he is one of the tools of the Dark Lodge/Archons.

Finefeather, I would like to know more about this statement since I have watched many of Drunvalo's videos and I have enjoyed them. How do you know that he is their tool?
Hi Wind
I do not want to sidetrack this wonderful thread by digging into the validity of some, so called, 'gurus' so this reply may not satisfy you. Instead I will try to answer this in another way...a more wider concept...based on causal thinking.

The main thing that counts is what we get out of someone's writing, or utterances. If we consider the level of consciousness which we are individually at, then for some the smallest bit...the most meagre bit...of information, by anyone, even the tramp lying in the gutter, can resonate and be beneficial to our growth. So we can and will find a lot of very real helpful information in just about any literature we read...depending on our current level of our awareness.

The mind is a wonderful thing, it connects concepts by association with memories that might have been at the back burner for many years...and many lifetimes. The smallest addition can open up a whole new world for us. The eureka moments, if you like.

BUT what about all the nonsense we read and have no idea yet what they mean and if they are true or not?

Our early upbringing, together with our group connection's collective view, lays the foundation of our future path and thinking, and very few people in life have dramatic changes to this view which is established in the first 21 years of our life. The majority of people just live a very ordinary life...get up, drink coffee, feed the cat, go to work, have supper, watch TV, and go to bed.

The Dark Lodge/Archons rely on this and their biggest successes come from early indoctrination of children by their own parents, who are already hooked to the rules...to the church...to the path they have been lead on by biased media, corrupt control by power hungry idiots, money mania and delusions of what they must eat and drink, etc etc.

That moment when we start to become ripe for 'spiritual' growth, has also been taken very careful notice of by the dark ones, and they have got their solution very well down to a fine art. What are these solutions?

The many different philosophies we see in the world today, the many different religions, the millions of books and gurus out there, all claiming to get us to heaven or to nirvana...take your pick. Can they all be right? And who are the imposters?

There is one way to know this...and that is by trial an error...and this has been the way of the true seeker for centuries without much success. OR something called the esoteric logic test and plain old common sense, which is not so common in most of us.

Information by people like Drunvalo Melchizedeck , John Lash, Eve Lorgen, Karla Turner etc etc (I have got nothing personally against these, they are just the ones who popped into my head...there are hundreds out there) Whilst having elements of truth in them which are certainly worthwhile IF isolated and separately assessed...lay down an underlying core of false information which literally neutralises us to the point of living our lives in a sea of illusion...the exact place where the dark ones want us because that is were they rule.
They mesmerise us...mesmerisation is a dark art...by appealing to our emotional side ONLY and most humans today are essentially emotional Beings right now at this stage of our evolution. We need to become more mentally conscious and less emotionally influenced...for starters.

Take care and be love
Ray

[lslimerick]

Ray, I could read what you write all day, thank you for sharing......the one thing I am smiling at is the fact that most conversations in our world address the possibility/risk of a complete take over by the Archons, they speak about it like it is in the future, when in fact it is already a done deal.....those dark buggers always get a bit of admiration from me on their methods.....the idea that it could happen must keep them fat on fear......I love when someone writes with confidence and common sense, a personal thank you!!

[amandapoet]

The synchronicity of the thread being started in relation to the happenings of my own life is not mere coincidence. For the past few months, I keep getting these huge slaps in the face of reality-- that have for the first time made me truly question my faith, and not the faith in a higher power-- but the faith in myself. I cannot deny I am broken-- and that becoming whole is not a certainty, however, it is still among the possibilities.

Though this reflection may come off as a major downer (and I'm not going to lie it's the emotional pits) it also is a necessary acknowledgment to attain personal accountability and real knowing of the divine within---or becoming wholly divine.

Bill your insights into how the actual historical accounts of Jesus and Mary (and their archetypes) have been altered using the message of unconditional love and seeking the divine as a means to keep the masses from actually ever obtaining the truth-- are the same conclusions I've come to from both scholarly research and even more intuition. It is that exact mechanism that darkness uses to manipulate light to actually blind people from the truth. As a child, brought up in a Christian church I had always been devoutly faithful-- yet could never reconcile why so much evil was allowed in the name of God-- why women were second class citizens, or why slavery could even exist etc. But now understanding how intertwined and dependent good and evil are on each other to be fully experienced to reveal the truly good and evil actions that either lead or prevent us from experiencing being the divine.

I hope I'm articulating this better than what it seems-- eventually the "Knowing" I possess will translate better from my soul's wisdom onto the page. For those that feel a repulsion to any mention of Jesus as actual history-- I ask that you ask yourself why. Religion and its acts of persecution etc has put a very bad taste in people's mouths-- and in turn performing a most effective act of evil. Applying some clever interpretations to the lives and message of Jesus & Mary the masses have easily been manipulated-- but it is knowing the truth of that message that one cannot be manipulated anymore--by anyone.

However, I should note that believing that we have the divine within is not yet being unified with the divine. Yet, it is on the many roads and off-beaten paths we take to meet our divine selves--- even with the occasional wrong turn eventually leading in the right direction.

Apologies for not providing more scholarly insight to contribute, I would only be redundant--- yet it is these facts and perspectives of such a major topic in human history that has and continues to profoundly influence my self-knowledge.

~Amanda

[RunningDeer]

Hi All...try and read this with an open mind.

For those interested further, here are some links to this information...and feel free to contact me if you think you are ready to change your life...and it may not be an easy road.

The Planetary Hierarchy:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_5.pdf

Gnostics:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_2.pdf

The Black Lodge
http://www.laurency.com/L5e/L5e23.pdf

Take care and love to all
Ray

Hi Ray,

I tried the open mind thing, but H. P. Blavatsky’s comment, “The devil is God inverted,” stopped me in my tracks. I browsed the three pdf you suggested before I went off on a tangent to follow other links from what you provided.

This is a particle quote from one of your posts made the left and right brain hemispheres go clickety-clack.


The quotation I posted comes direct from hylozoics...which is the only correct concept of reality in the worlds of man...and this is not my opinion...this is a fact.

Here’s my concern: the works by Henry T. Laurency are influenced by H. P. Blavatsky’s set of beliefs and/or principles. Does she deem hylozoics the only correct concept of reality? Because she states: “The devil is God inverted”. And, “The snake that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden was really an angel of light. And God who created Adam and Eve was really the devil.”

Here’s a quick link vid below. It shortly after the 5:25 mark (http://youtu.be/YOI05_m0R0A?t=5m25s)


THE ILLUMINATI DOLLAR BILL : Blavatsky, Roerich, and Wallace and F.D.Roosevelt

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"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centres has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

These are further links from your pdf sources @ TheForbiddenKnowledge.com (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/prophetsindex.htm)

Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (1831-1891) - Contacted by the Master Morya in 1851. After years of contact with her spirit masters she helped to found the Theosophical Society in 1875. Published Isis Unveiled in 1877, established Lucifer, an occult magazine, in London in 1887, and then published The Secret Doctrine in 1888.

The first line from site, “The Luciferic Initiation (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/luciferic_initiation.htm)”

“Although the Masonic rites of initiation bring men into spiritual bondage to Satan, the grand matron of Theosophy, Mme. Blavatsky complains that they fall short of the ultimate rites of passage which were practiced in ancient times....”

I want to end this with something profound, but I got a-nothin'.

Know that I am always appreciative of what you share. Personally, I have found that in all information when reflected on, there's treasure amongst the dross. Always, always, I come away with some gem(s). Sometimes, not in the form of what the author provides. So, I've added the pdfs to my Ray file, and maybe pull them out again a bit later.

Peace and Love,
Paula :wave:

[Prodigal Son]

Here’s my concern: the works by Henry T. Laurency are influenced by H. P. Blavatsky’s set of beliefs and/or principles. Does she deem hylozoics the only correct concept of reality? Because she states: “The devil is God inverted”. And, “The snake that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden was really an angel of light. And God who created Adam and Eve was really the devil.”

Hi Paula

All these things are what the Gnostics believed. Biblegod lied, they did not die, and he later admits that the human pair "has become like one of us". The serpent in esoteric teaching represents the Life Principle. Lucifer is the Lightbringer, and his intent is to wake people up to release them from the tyranny, suppression amd slavery of the Demiurge and the Archons. The story as it is presented is black magic mind control and has been the single biggest hindrance to human evolution in the history of this planet. But the initiates certainly knew what it meant, benefited greatly from it, and now we can too.

Good information and knowledge can always be used for both benevolent and nefarious purposes.

I really had thought that stuff like this had become self-evident on this forum. That's one of the reasons I'm here.

Considering Madame Blvatsky's views of the metaphysical and her being a staunch proponent of the principles of Kabbalah and the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, I haven't found anything in her writings that would not support hylozoics. Everything is teeming with life, from the organisms making up an asteroid to the output of a nuclear bomb. That of course would include the sun, the source of life in our solar system.

Personally, I believe she was a Lightworker and a Saint.



“Although the Masonic rites of initiation bring men into spiritual bondage to Satan, the grand matron of Theosophy, Mme. Blavatsky complains that they fall short of the ultimate rites of passage which were practiced in ancient times....” I have read Ms. Blavatsky's works extensively, and I know that there are a number of Ascended Masters who are attempting to aid humanity and have been all through the last 13,000 years of the Dark Night. Ms. Blavatsky channels, but so did Tesla, Pythagoras, Buddha and Jesus. She was as much against Satan and Satanism as anyone I have ever encountered. There was an attempt to label her as a Satanist because this is what scares the "believers" away from her truths, but she was later exonerated after death and the attempt to discredit her was exposed.

I believe her basic core philosophy of Theosophy was infiltrated and corrupted beginning with Annie Besant. Her writings about the root races were later misused by the likes of Hitler and the Nazis to formulate the idea of a Supreme Aryan Race.


Know that I am always appreciative of what you share. Personally, I have found that in all information when reflected on, there's treasure amongst the dross. Always, always, I come away with some gem(s). Sometimes, not in the form of what the author provides.
I couldn't agree more! :)

PS.... thanks for those links Finefeather! Great stuff :o

[Finefeather]

im not too familiar with a triangle and a dot....
This is a gnostic symbol.
The triangle with the point up is the symbol of the light forces(Evolution), the triangle with point down is the dark forces(Involution).
The triangle also represents the trinity of the 3 aspects of existence: Motion, Consciousness and Matter...Spirit, Soul and Body etc.
The point or dot is the monad or primordial atom which each of us is, as an individual.
The circle is the cosmic whole of which we are all a part of and share equal rights to the whole. No one is less or more represented.
Take care
Ray

[Bill Ryan]

http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/pics/jesus-tomb-entrance.jpg

In one of the videos presented it shows the symbol on the front of the suspected Jesus family tomb. They did not go into detail about what/where this symbol came from--its meaning? im not too familiar with a triangle and a dot....any ideas or anyone know where these symbols derive from?

This might help - it's from Margaret Starbird's website:


In recent years we have been provided information about several tombs discovered in the Southeastern suburbs of Jerusalem. In 2007 Simcha Jacobovici and his co-author Charles Pellegrino published The Jesus Family Tomb: The Evidence Behind the Discovery No One Wanted to Find along with a documentary about the “Talpiot Tomb,” revealing the intriguing fact that the 1st c. tomb, first discovered in 1980, contained ossuaries bearing the names of family members of Jesus, including “Maria,” “Mariamene Mara,” “Yeshua, son of Yosef,” “Jude, son of Yeshua,” and “Jose.”

And in 2013 we have were provided information by researcher Scott Woltor (The Hooked X) concerning a coin minted by the Knights of the Temple (Templars) in Jerusalem prior to their eviction from the Levant in 1291.

http://s2.postimg.org/71068on5l/chevron.jpg

We can clearly see the chevron and circle emblem above the Talpiot tomb repeated above the face in the coin. The “twin pillars” familiar in Freemasonic ritual are also visible on the coin, a remnant of Solomon’s Temple described in the Hebrew Bible, in 1 Kings 7: “Thus he set up the pillars at the porch of the nave; and he set up the right pillar and named it Jachin, and he set up the left pillar and named it Boaz.”

Apparently the chervron above a circle is a generic symbol for a temple, found on other coins minted in the Middle East. The emblem above the tomb appears to suggest that the tomb itself was considered a temple.

I suspect that the face on the coin is that of Christ and is, in fact, a reference to the Shroud of Turin which was in the custody of the Knights Templar and venerated as a “Head,” the long linen folded so that only the face was visible.

....

The Knights of the Temple of Solomon who minted their coin in the 13th century obviously associated the image of the Man in the Shroud with the Talpiot tomb (containing the ossuaries of Jesus and his family), and their own connection with the twin pillars of Solomon’s Temple."http://www.margaretstarbird.net/blog.html


Very fascinating -- thank you!

I wanted to learn more about this coin. Thus far, I only found this. I offer it here for those of you who are digging deep into this intriguing material.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2013/03/what-was-scott-wolters-templar-coin.html

(Note that the spelling is Scott Wolter, btw - Margaret Starbird has a typo in her blog.)

I am still extremely interested in the Talpiot Tomb, and highly recommend Simcha Jacobovici's riveting documentary:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3
Source: http://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3 (https://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3)

[Christine]

Amanda --

The scholarly with the intuitive is the key, we need both. Our inner perceptual reality is enriched by the information that flows to us, through us and from us. My continuing course of the moment is trying to see the simplicity in all the complexity that we are immersed in, but this singular journey is unique as each and everyone of us is unique. For this reason alone I have carefully chosen to not enter into debates on differing points of view.

I would only seek to add my voice to others in an offering that helps all of us in our journey to True Self.

Ray (Fine Feather) makes valid points and indeed is very wise however what is perhaps missed here is that these researchers; John Lash, Eve Lorgen, Karla Turner Truman Cash, James Bartley, etc., those who have accepted the mission to penetrate the "dark lords realm" do so in service to us all.

For that which we do not see will manipulate us.

Just this morning as I sat in contemplation it became abundantly clear that many of us made an agreement to penetrate this void, it takes enormous courage to enter this den of darkness and come back bringing to the Light the effects this has had on our humanity. This is a truth, not the truth. I take no argument or objection with what these valiant souls have dared to bring this information into our collective consciousness.

If we take nothing more from this thread other than the true message of Yeshua and the Magdalene, for me it would be this:

"Know Thyself and be true to that True Self."

Adding: "Thou shalt love Thy Self with all thy might and all thy strength."

The lie always was that we need some entity (god, lord, master) to intercede for us. As we have moved away from the lie, the enrapture of ego self we find the True Self (I don't call it higher self because that indicates something more than we are... no, the True Self dwells within us all, unique, lucid, clear and brilliant.)

Thank you for sharing... thank you. Until we rebuild our cosmic memory we are all fractured in one way or another.

Christine


The synchronicity of the thread being started in relation to the happenings of my own life is not mere coincidence. For the past few months, I keep getting these huge slaps in the face of reality-- that have for the first time made me truly question my faith, and not the faith in a higher power-- but the faith in myself. I cannot deny I am broken-- and that becoming whole is not a certainty, however, it is still among the possibilities.

Though this reflection may come off as a major downer (and I'm not going to lie it's the emotional pits) it also is a necessary acknowledgment to attain personal accountability and real knowing of the divine within---or becoming wholly divine.

Bill your insights into how the actual historical accounts of Jesus and Mary (and their archetypes) have been altered using the message of unconditional love and seeking the divine as a means to keep the masses from actually ever obtaining the truth-- are the same conclusions I've come to from both scholarly research and even more intuition. It is that exact mechanism that darkness uses to manipulate light to actually blind people from the truth. As a child, brought up in a Christian church I had always been devoutly faithful-- yet could never reconcile why so much evil was allowed in the name of God-- why women were second class citizens, or why slavery could even exist etc. But now understanding how intertwined and dependent good and evil are on each other to be fully experienced to reveal the truly good and evil actions that either lead or prevent us from experiencing being the divine.

I hope I'm articulating this better than what it seems-- eventually the "Knowing" I possess will translate better from my soul's wisdom onto the page. For those that feel a repulsion to any mention of Jesus as actual history-- I ask that you ask yourself why. Religion and its acts of persecution etc has put a very bad taste in people's mouths-- and in turn performing a most effective act of evil. Applying some clever interpretations to the lives and message of Jesus & Mary the masses have easily been manipulated-- but it is knowing the truth of that message that one cannot be manipulated anymore--by anyone.

However, I should note that believing that we have the divine within is not yet being unified with the divine. Yet, it is on the many roads and off-beaten paths we take to meet our divine selves--- even with the occasional wrong turn eventually leading in the right direction.

Apologies for not providing more scholarly insight to contribute, I would only be redundant--- yet it is these facts and perspectives of such a major topic in human history that has and continues to profoundly influence my self-knowledge.

~Amanda

[Finefeather]

Here’s my concern: the works by Henry T. Laurency are influenced by H. P. Blavatsky’s set of beliefs and/or principles. Does she deem hylozoics the only correct concept of reality? Because she states: “The devil is God inverted”. And, “The snake that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden was really an angel of light. And God who created Adam and Eve was really the devil.”

Hi dear Paula
It is evident to me that you might not fully understand the hidden meaning behind these statements which seem to set you off on such a cautious and concerned conclusion. For example “The devil is God inverted”...if we imagined in our minds that 'God' was good and the 'devil' was bad...then would that not be the same as saying "The bad is the good inverted" ?

If you read and study the Laurency material...a little more in depth...and not browse over looking for triggers which send you off on a tangent ;) ...you will come across an article were this work criticized quite a lot of Blavatsky's information. I would recommend you read this and then make up your mind.

The few links I posted are but a small fraction of the information you could study. I have come across so many people who read little pieces or extracts from books and then claim knowledge of the entire scope of the content...and then reject the very information which could benefit them.

Might this not be the very influence of the dark ones which Jesus was trying to warn us of with his coming?

This is the website:
http://www.laurency.com/index.html

And you might want to browse through this: :)
http://www.laurency.com/KVe/kr3.pdf

Just to give some background on Laurency. 'Henry T. Laurency' is a pseudonym and not the work of a single entity but a collective of minds from the Planetary Hierarchy. It would be rather shortsighted to believe that this work is influences by Blavatsky...that does not mean her work should be rejected.

Take care and much love to you
Ray

[Finefeather]

Ray (Fine Feather) makes valid points and indeed is very wise however what is perhaps missed here is that these researchers; John Lash, Eve Lorgen, Karla Turner Truman Cash, James Bartley, etc., those who have accepted the mission to penetrate the "dark lords realm" do so in service to us all.

For that which we do not see will manipulate us.

Hi Christine
Yes I agree entirely with you, most of these people are not willingly or knowing giving out false information and are much more than likely beautiful souls, however, what this should teach us is that even the best out there are still subject to the illusions which face us during our consciousness growth.

The important thing for us to try to come to grips with is that this is all part of the process of transformation from kingdom to kingdom. The fact that we have these dark brothers biting at our heels all the time, and are present in just about everything we come across, can be looked at as a series of hurdles or obstacles.

Taking this idea into a different view or attitude we could end up seeing this as some kind of game, which I have noticed many do. The fact of the matter is that not one Being...not one human...not one alien...not one Archon, can be left behind in the long run...because we all have equal right to the collective and total consciousness of the cosmos. This we should never forget.

The fact that there are some pretty nasty people out there in the streets and in other realms is just "how it is" and it is no use retreating into some little corner and hoping that it will all go away by tomorrow.

We each have to set our own time table and decide for ourselves when we want to make the move to the next higher kingdom.

A law of the cosmos is...not one can be left out...not one is greater than the other.

Love
Ray

[Flash]

Thank you very much for this thread Bill, this is extraordinary that we are able to find such content and people leveled discussion on the web, thanks many times.

Thanks also for Avalon, of course.

[Billy]

This might help - it's from Margaret Starbierd's website:




And in 2013 we have were provided information by researcher Scott Woltor (The Hooked X) concerning a coin minted by the Knights of the Temple (Templars) in Jerusalem prior to their eviction from the Levant in 1291.

http://s2.postimg.org/71068on5l/chevron.jpg

We can clearly see the chevron and circle emblem above the Talpiot tomb repeated above the face in the coin. The “twin pillars” familiar in Freemasonic ritual are also visible on the coin, a remnant of Solomon’s Temple described in the Hebrew Bible, in 1 Kings 7: “Thus he set up the pillars at the porch of the nave; and he set up the right pillar and named it Jachin, and he set up the left pillar and named it Boaz.”

Apparently the chervron above a circle is a generic symbol for a temple, found on other coins minted in the Middle East. The emblem above the tomb appears to suggest that the tomb itself was considered a temple.

I suspect that the face on the coin is that of Christ and is, in fact, a reference to the Shroud of Turin which was in the custody of the Knights Templar and venerated as a “Head,” the long linen folded so that only the face was visible.

....

The Knights of the Temple of Solomon who minted their coin in the 13th century obviously associated the image of the Man in the Shroud with the Talpiot tomb (containing the ossuaries of Jesus and his family), and their own connection with the twin pillars of Solomon’s Temple."http://www.margaretstarbird.net/blog.html


Very fascinating -- thank you!

I wanted to learn more about this coin. Thus far, I only found this. I offer it here for those of you who are digging deep into this intriguing material.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2013/03/what-was-scott-wolters-templar-coin.html

(Note that the spelling is Scott Wolter, btw - Margaret Starbird has a typo in her blog.)

I am still extremely interested in the Talpiot Tomb, and highly recommend Simcha Jacobovici's riveting documentary:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3
Source: http://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3 (https://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3)

Paul started an interesting thread with Scott Wolter here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59768-Scott-Wolter-the-Kensington-Runestone-the-Knights-Templar-and-American-IndiansThe Hooked X is mentioned as it is also carved in stone at Roslyn Chapel here in Scotland. I mention the Sinclair's (St. Clairs) The guardians of Roslyn Chapel in that thread and according to the Holy Blood Holy Grail The Sinclair's are the descended blood line from the union of Jesus and Mary Magdaline.

[golden wonder]

I've been reading this thread, and I think this picture is relevant. It happens to be a picture that I studied during my art degree and it depicts a picture of an Archon.
What I think as an artist is interesting is that Titian pays so much attention to detail of one reality, the cupids arrow, the temptations, the symposium. and yet he can't be bothered with the sky and the figure guiding the background of the painting. It seems symbolic of our altered view and what we really see.

As far as I can recall, the Renaissance period was controversial in terms of religious views and symbolism was a way of getting around the burying of gnostic viewpoints.

The Corona Borealis is featured in the sky, the crown that Ariadne was offered By Bacchus/Dionysous when she was left on the shores of Naxos by Theseus, who would later succumb to a catasytrophic flood, (or Neptune/Poseidon). What was his offer? Was Ariadne a representation of Mary? Is he an incarnation of the devil? Enki perhaps? All the time the geometry of the stars is recorded in this painting, just like it is in the Mona Lisa, with extreme precision too.

What if the arch in the sky suggests that we can change our reality and break cycles here on earth. Change the arch so to speak?


http://www.highermessiah.com/tmp/bacchus_ariadne.jpg

[Jeffrey]

Bloodline… why blood? What does the blood contain?

Why DNA manipulation? We assume they are mutating us and they are… but perhaps they are searching for a specific gene? By adding and subtracting they hope to figure out which one. Possible?

Has this to do with immortality and giving them a soul component that is missing?
(They always appear to be compensating or looking for something they lack.)

Consider that they look down on us as insects, resources or herd animals is this an indication that they are suffering from some form of inferiority?
(This attitude is a common symptom of deep psychosis.)

So why all the attention?… "Ask and ye shall receive."

These questions just popped into my head and I felt I should post them.

This is a rough sketch post. Thought experiment.

The DNA molecule could act as a diode of sorts. A diode typically allows the current of a circuit to flow in one direction only. Imagine the DNA acting as a conduit for spiritual energy. (Whatever that is.) DNA could be one of the primary mechanisms that channels the spiritual essence into the physical body in order for a soul to manifest. When the spiritual energy flows through the DNA it projects it’s essence out into the physical. This is only a shadow of your True Light though. Imagine the cutout of an intricate snowflake. Take that snowflake and shine a flashlight on it. You will see its design on the wall -- its image or a copy. Similarly, when the spiritual energy shines through the conduit of DNA it is projected out into the physical. The image it creates in space is the intricate design that the genetic material encodes for. This is how the morphogenetic fields (Rupert Sheldrake) may work.

DNA also carries genetic memories. Your DNA is the recombinant genetic history of the physical heritage of the body you now possess. When the spiritual essence flows through the DNA the projection is patterned after – and dictated by – its own history. The body carries snippets of DNA that have been passed down for tens of thousands of years, and longer. That’s a lot of history. We may actually be able to read the DNA like we read a book. It’s not a book containing line after line of AGTC. It can be shown to us. When we look at the computer screen we don’t see ones and zeros. The mechanism for reading what is hidden in the DNA is the pineal gland – I’m still opining here. This gland may represent Epinoia, the date from the date palm, the Phoenix, the Eagle that is perched within the Tree of Knowledge. She holds the keys to our remembrance according to the Gnostics. It is her that teaches us about our descent and how to climb back up our root.

If we consider these as plausible then we can move on to the next piece of the puzzle.

The archontic forces. These are merely mental forces. They are of the mind. That doesn’t mean that they can’t be physical. The structure of the brain can be recreated in a computer. Think of artificial intelligence. If humans designed an android that could think for itself, does that mean it has a soul? Maybe a soul wouldn’t be able to incarnate into the machine because the machine lacks the proper mechanism for incarnation. Could the machine become possessed? What would be the difference? These are the types of questions that arise and they are valid ones. There are good explanations for these questions, but for now let’s just say that the structure of the mind by itself and it’s corresponding mental forces lack the mechanisms for a proper incarnation of a soul. They lack. I’m not saying that the archons are machines either. There could be humanoid-like species elsewhere in the galaxy that have been overcome by these forces, and therefore do their bidding.

Remember, the devil has no will, only desires.

We are not who we are. We don’t manifest as we were supposed to. The Gnostics say that this is because of the archons. Our kundalini is in a fallen state. Again, this could have to do with DNA. It’s unplugged or something. It’s not in the pristine state that it was intended to be in. It has been tampered with. This may have been done through viral mechanisms (see viral mediated gene delivery).

I think this may be how we were supposed to rectify the deficiency. There is a part of us -- little snippets here and there – that caused the fall of humanity from it’s rightful place. Yes, part of it is genetic and it’s in every one of us to some degree. This could be what was meant by original sin. Everybody is born with it. It’s in our genetics. It’s up to us to work through it and rectify the deficiency. Some have chosen to embrace the defect -- to amplify and enhance it within themselves. They may even practice selective breeding to do so. Sound familiar? The archontic forces do need our DNA for the purpose of using us to act out their desires. They have an opportunity to exploit.

Remember that the devil has no will, only desires.

The Spirit Wills, the Soul Creates. (DNA diode for spiritual energy? How does that fit into this picture? Thinking aloud (edit: haha I meant to type "out loud" but that works too.)

The Gnostics said that the archons were incomplete. In effect, so are we.

These hostile forces are in opposition to anything divine. They don’t want to go into the light. They don’t want you to go back up your root and remember because you’ll rectify a little piece of them. They don’t want you to be free. They want you to be ignorant and blind. They want you to be their slave.

I say no! They have tried to break me and I have fallen plenty of times. Every time is painful, but I keep getting back up. I’m getting wiser to their tactics. Today I stand with confidence, optimism, and ever-growing strength.

They really did give us their mind, just like Castaneda said. The Gnostics told us this too.

This is the fake tree of knowledge that they put in the garden. These are metaphors of meaning.

They didn’t do anything, but they hijacked the biological machinery of our bodies to plant their tree. Their mind. Just like a virus hijacks the machinery of a cell to produce more copies of itself. There are metaphysical aspects to this as well. They all correspond because they are all connected. The psyche is of a partly material nature as Jung said. This notion also fleshes with the undertones of Narby's work (DNA/Cosmic Serpent).

Partly physical, partly metaphysical.
Partly psychological, partly physiological.

This is probably why the reptilian meme is so persistent. The Gnostics say that the chief archon designed the brain and the nervous system. His depiction looks like the spinal cord (body) and the thalamus with the axonal projections as the mane. The brain stem is the reptilian brain. Think about the information carried therein. The archetype, the meme, the genetic memories affiliated with the portion of DNA that patterned that form. Metaphors of meaning.

These are all ideas and commentary. This is fun! I would be happy to dive further on anything particular herein or on any new thoughts anyone might have. Also, I’d be happy to provide links to the particular texts referenced from the Nag Hammadi. I just might edit this later and put them in, but I’m really hungry.

Time for dinner.

With respect and gratitude,

Vivek

ADD - Some quotes from the Nag Hammadi pertaining to this post.

From The Paraphrase of Shem:



For every likeness into which Nature had divided is a power of the chaotic fire which is the hylic seed. The one who took to himself the power of the Darkness imprisoned it in the midst of its members.

Hylic seed is DNA structure. Chaotic fire is spiritual energy? This would mean that the interference effected all life on earth to some degree. Remember Michael Harner's experience? Grind that against the above quote and the idea of their mind, the brain stem, DNA, archetypes, and the form/likeness of the chief archon.

From The Apocryphon of John:



"Now up to the present day, sexual intercourse continued due to the chief archon. And he planted sexual desire in her who belongs to Adam. And he produced through intercourse the copies of the bodies, and he inspired them with his counterfeit spirit.

OR



Up to the present day, marital intercourse came about from the Chief Ruler. He planted a desire for seed in Adam so that from this essence (of desire) a likeness from their counterfeit spirit might be begotten. {And to the present day sex[ual intercourse continues, re­maining fro[m] the Chief Archon. And [He planted] in Adam a seed of desire so that through this essence their likeness could be begotten through the counterfeit spirit.}

Counterfeit spirit = viral DNA inserted into our own DNA? (and it's corresponding metaphysical aspects)

From On the Origin of the World



And at that time, the prime parent then rendered an opinion concerning man to those who were with him. Then each of them cast his sperm into the midst of the navel of the earth. Since that day, the seven rulers have fashioned man with his body resembling their body, but his likeness resembling the man that had appeared to them. His modelling took place by parts, one at a time. And their leader fashioned the brain and the nervous system.

Now that's interesting.

[Freed Fox]

Vivek, unless I'm not receiving it properly, the added excerpts seem to strongly imply that we are the virus, the counterfeit progeny. It would seem that, at least while we are inhabiting the human form, we embody a deficiency which is intrinsic to our (physical) being and cannot be remedied.

I know that seems bleak, but when you take a long, hard, objective look at the human footprint upon the Earth, it is a bleak imprint indeed.

Even if you take the story of Jesus to be more of a metaphor or amalgam, there are vital lessons there. Perhaps two of the most important, even if more implicit than otherwise, are the impermanence of death and the merit of self-sacrifice.

We see goodness in humanity, of course. On a global, environmental scale however, the virtues are not predominant. Is the perpetuation of our existence here really to the benefit of anyone or anything but ourselves?

[Jeffrey]

They really did give us their mind, just like Castaneda said. The Gnostics told us this too.

This is the fake tree of knowledge that they put in the garden. These are metaphors of meaning.

They didn’t do anything, but they hijacked the biological machinery of our bodies to plant their tree. Their mind. Just like a virus hijacks the machinery of a cell to produce more copies of itself. There are metaphysical aspects to this as well. They all correspond because they are all connected. The psyche is of a partly material nature as Jung said. This notion also fleshes with the undertones of Narby's work (DNA/Cosmic Serpent).

Partly physical, partly metaphysical.
Partly psychological, partly physiological.

This is probably why the reptilian meme is so persistent. The Gnostics say that the chief archon designed the brain and the nervous system. His depiction looks like the spinal cord (body) and the thalamus with the axonal projections as the mane. The brain stem is the reptilian brain. Think about the information carried therein. The archetype, the meme, the genetic memories affiliated with the portion of DNA that patterned that form. Metaphors of meaning.

[...]

From The Apocryphon of John:



"Now up to the present day, sexual intercourse continued due to the chief archon. And he planted sexual desire in her who belongs to Adam. And he produced through intercourse the copies of the bodies, and he inspired them with his counterfeit spirit.

OR



Up to the present day, marital intercourse came about from the Chief Ruler. He planted a desire for seed in Adam so that from this essence (of desire) a likeness from their counterfeit spirit might be begotten. {And to the present day sex[ual intercourse continues, re­maining fro[m] the Chief Archon. And [He planted] in Adam a seed of desire so that through this essence their likeness could be begotten through the counterfeit spirit.}

Counterfeit spirit = viral DNA inserted into our own DNA? (and it's corresponding metaphysical aspects)

From On the Origin of the World



And at that time, the prime parent then rendered an opinion concerning man to those who were with him. Then each of them cast his sperm into the midst of the navel of the earth. Since that day, the seven rulers have fashioned man with his body resembling their body, but his likeness resembling the man that had appeared to them. His modelling took place by parts, one at a time. And their leader fashioned the brain and the nervous system.

Now that's interesting.

Okay, check this out.

The archontic tree of knowledge is the false tree. It represents the brain stem. It's fruit would be the thalamus/hypothalamus.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8Dln2xkR7y8/SEobigknUcI/AAAAAAAAAMc/LrgNcExIywg/s400/mayo+pituitary+gland.jpg

See how the pituitary stalk connects to the brain stem?

Here's a good general overview of the hypothalamus:



The hypothalamus, about the size of a peanut in the human brain, sits at the base of the forebrain and forms the interface between the psychologically sophisticated forebrain and the more primitive lower areas. It also regulates fundamental aspects of body function, and is critical for homeostatis – the maintenance of equilibrium in the body’s internal environment. It lies below the thalamus. It is also involved in the expression of fear and aggression.

The hypothalamus is important in emotional expression and linked to the cerebral cortex in emotional experience. It is also significant in the reception of direct sensory inputs.

The Thalamus receives messages transmitted from external receptors, eg, the eyes, eras, and skin, processes the signals and then relays the results to specialized areas of the neocortex. It is a major sensory relay and integrating centre of the brain.

Source: http://askville.amazon.com/difference-thalamus-hypothalamus-brain/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=70016520

THEIR MIND AND THE EMOTIONAL MATRIX. We don't experience this reality as it is, we experience it as what the thalamus tells us it is. This is the veil that came over Adam and Eve. Metaphors of meaning.

The matrix is very Gnostic (heck, Neo is and anagram for Eon = Aeon)

Anyways, the pituitary gland is attached to the hypothalamus and it's responsible for the sex drive, aka sexual desire (among other things).

"And to the present day sexual intercourse continues, re­maining from the Chief Archon. And he planted in Adam a seed of desire so that through this essence their likeness could be begotten through the counterfeit spirit."

Okay, so now there is the true Tree of Knowledge.



"And the archons took him and placed him in paradise. And they said to him, 'Eat, that is at leisure,' for their luxury is bitter and their beauty is depraved. And their luxury is deception and their trees are godlessness and their fruit is deadly poison and their promise is death. And the tree of their life they had placed in the midst of paradise.

"And I shall teach you (pl.) what is the mystery of their life, which is the plan which they made together, which is the likeness of their spirit. The root of this (tree) is bitter and its branches are death, its shadow is hate and deception is in its leaves, and its blossom is the ointment of evil, and its fruit is death and desire is its seed, and it sprouts in darkness. The dwelling place of those who taste from it is Hades, and the darkness is their place of rest.

"But what they call the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is the Epinoia of the light, they stayed in front of it in order that he (Adam) might not look up to his fullness and recognize the nakedness of his shamefulness."

The archontic tree of knowledge has it's own fruit (ie the pituitary and hypothalamus), while the true Tree of Knowledge has the good fruit (ie Epinoia of the light, the date, the Phoenix, the eagle). This is the pineal gland, which would mean that the tree represents the cerebellum.

http://healinghaven.typepad.com/photos/fillmores_12_power/pineal-drawing.jpg

Notice how the brain stem is in front of the cerebellum. If you look at the first picture it's as if the brainstem structure is guarding the cerebellum from the "higher" functioning brain.

"But what they call the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is the Epinoia of the light, they stayed in front of it in order that he (Adam) might not look up to his fullness and recognize the nakedness of his shamefulness."

It's almost as if the brainstem has supplanted the cerebellum, in the midst of the garden. Jesus did speak in parables.

This view is provisional and ongoing as well.

Thanks,

Vivek

[lookbeyond]

Hi All...try and read this with an open mind.

For those interested further, here are some links to this information...and feel free to contact me if you think you are ready to change your life...and it may not be an easy road.

The Planetary Hierarchy:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_5.pdf

Gnostics:
http://www.laurency.com/L1e/kl1_2.pdf

The Black Lodge
http://www.laurency.com/L5e/L5e23.pdf

Take care and love to all
Ray

Hi Ray,

I tried the open mind thing, but H. P. Blavatsky’s comment, “The devil is God inverted,” stopped me in my tracks. I browsed the three pdf you suggested before I went off on a tangent to follow other links from what you provided.

This is a particle quote from one of your posts made the left and right brain hemispheres go clickety-clack.


The quotation I posted comes direct from hylozoics...which is the only correct concept of reality in the worlds of man...and this is not my opinion...this is a fact.

Here’s my concern: the works by Henry T. Laurency are influenced by H. P. Blavatsky’s set of beliefs and/or principles. Does she deem hylozoics the only correct concept of reality? Because she states: “The devil is God inverted”. And, “The snake that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden was really an angel of light. And God who created Adam and Eve was really the devil.”

Here’s a quick link vid below. It shortly after the 5:25 mark (http://youtu.be/YOI05_m0R0A?t=5m25s)


THE ILLUMINATI DOLLAR BILL : Blavatsky, Roerich, and Wallace and F.D.Roosevelt

YOI05_m0R0A

Uploaded on Feb 26, 2010

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centres has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

These are further links from your pdf sources @ TheForbiddenKnowledge.com (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/prophetsindex.htm)

Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (1831-1891) - Contacted by the Master Morya in 1851. After years of contact with her spirit masters she helped to found the Theosophical Society in 1875. Published Isis Unveiled in 1877, established Lucifer, an occult magazine, in London in 1887, and then published The Secret Doctrine in 1888.

The first line from site, “The Luciferic Initiation (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/luciferic_initiation.htm)”

“Although the Masonic rites of initiation bring men into spiritual bondage to Satan, the grand matron of Theosophy, Mme. Blavatsky complains that they fall short of the ultimate rites of passage which were practiced in ancient times....”

I want to end this with something profound, but I got a-nothin'.

Know that I am always appreciative of what you share. Personally, I have found that in all information when reflected on, there's treasure amongst the dross. Always, always, I come away with some gem(s). Sometimes, not in the form of what the author provides. So, I've added the pdfs to my Ray file, and maybe pull them out again a bit later.

Peace and Love,
Paula :wave:

Seeking clarification

Dear Ray, are you able to clarify that Lucifer is the Morning Star and considered the Light Bringer in the story of the "Fall" of Adam and Eve and as such is not a "badie" at all?

If this is the case, are you able to expand on two questions I have please?
1 why have the "illuminati" adopted Lucifer as their "god"
2 why the association between satanism and Lucerifism if Lucifer in fact has been misunderstood/muddied in history ( as was Mary Magdalene)

Thankyou in anticipation k

[Jeffrey]

Vivek, unless I'm not receiving it properly, the added excerpts seem to strongly imply that we are the virus, the counterfeit progeny. It would seem that, at least while we are inhabiting the human form, we embody a deficiency which is intrinsic to our (physical) being and cannot be remedied.

I know that seems bleak, but when you take a long, hard, objective look at the human footprint upon the Earth, it is a bleak imprint indeed.

Even if you take the story of Jesus to be more of a metaphor or amalgam, there are vital lessons there. Perhaps two of the most important, even if more implicit than otherwise, are the impermanence of death and the merit of self-sacrifice.

We see goodness in humanity, of course. On a global, environmental scale however, the virtues are not predominant. Is the perpetuation of our existence here really to the benefit of anyone or anything but ourselves?

I think we once held an important and harmonious post here on earth. But now something is imbalanced within us. Chemically, spiritually, psychologically. There are "hidden hands" that wish for the tumor to grow. They are like minions for the hostile forces if I'm understanding it right.

Not that we are the virus neccesarily (but there is an aspect of us that's pulling strings in the shadows of our own subconcious, and there is a physiological side to it). If I catch a cold, I'm not a cold. I am saying that there is something out of whack inside of us. Yes, I think that there is a genetic/physiological side to it. I do however feel strongly that it can be remedied. Not only by what Jesus did or how he did it, but others as well. I'll put together a post on that right now. It has to do with the metaphors of the trees.

I'm going out on a limb here. HA! Trees, limbs, I tried...

Thanks,

Vivek

[Jeffrey]

From, The Gospel of Philip:



So also with the tree: while its root is hidden, it sprouts and grows. If its root is exposed, the tree dries up. So it is with every birth that is in the world, not only with the revealed but with the hidden. For so long as the root of wickedness is hidden, it is strong. But when it is recognized, it is dissolved. When it is revealed, it perishes. That is why the Word says, "Already the axe is laid at the root of the trees" (Mt 3:10). It will not merely cut - what is cut sprouts again - but the ax penetrates deeply, until it brings up the root. Jesus pulled out the root of the whole place, while others did it only partially. As for ourselves, let each one of us dig down after the root of evil which is within one, and let one pluck it out of one's heart from the root. It will be plucked out if we recognize it. But if we are ignorant of it, it takes root in us and produces its fruit in our heart. It masters us. We are its slaves. It takes us captive, to make us do what we do not want; and what we do want, we do not do. It is powerful because we have not recognized it. While it exists it is active. Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment.

That really says it all right there. That passage is so important, and crucial when considering the metaphor of the trees. It’s not saying that what we need to do is cut out our brainstems with an axe – that would not be good.

There are many unfortunate disorders that arise from a malfunctioning brain stem. There are also disorders that arise from a pituitary gland, or a hypothalamus that isn’t working right. These things are integrated into the body.

The passage says that when the root of wickedness is revealed, it perishes. It’s up to us to pluck it out, metaphorically. This is through the power of our own will as well and our actions. To expose the root is to recognize it. By doing so we know what it is, how it functions, and what gives it nourishment.

So the fruit of this archontic tree is physically represented by the pituitary gland, the hypothalamus, the thalamus, and various other parts of the brain stem as far as I can gather.

These control fear, aggression, lust, and they screen our senses coming from the external world – tainting them with emotions driven by chemical concoctions.

It would seem that a big part of the remedy is to starve the tree. Gain control by use of conscious will. Grab the reigns of your emotions, don’t let them reign you.

Stifle any lust. This is a mental act as well as a physical one. Sex is shared between two lovers. No lust, only love. Lust can lead to fantasies that instigate the production of chemicals by the very glands we are talking about. This leads to masturbation, or lustful sex for the sake of sex, etc. Things that are self defeating and addicting. It will drain you -- this gets into things like ojas, tejas, prana, etc. These addictions are chemically driven. If one doesn’t clear lustful thoughts while suppressing lustful actions that can lead to negative consequences. It’s got to be taken from the root. It starts in the mind. Celibacy is a powerful tool and it’s a mental act as well as physical.

Fear is also something that should be erased. It is an illusion that is stimulated by chemicals as well as emotions and thoughts. They all play off one another.

Aggression is another one to toss out. Non-violence is the right way.

There are many techniques associated with ridding the mind of these things. Most of the ones I can think of come from the philosophy of Yoga. I’m sure 99% of the members here are familiar with some of that philosophy. The ego, the veil. There’s something about correlating it to something physical that makes it seem less threatening to take on. Exposing it I guess.

Anyways, by plucking it from it’s root (metaphorically by thought, will, and conscious action) maybe the physical function it performs withers away. The root dries up. This has positive effects on all levels of well being. The physiological forms and functions of the archontic tree of knowledge become vestigial in a sense. Like muscles that you don’t use – they degenerate.

Then there’s the aspect of raising the kundalini and maybe that plays a role in joining us with the fruits of truth (officially lifting the veil), which may represent some function of the pineal gland and the cerebellum.

I really don’t know, but it says that Jesus did it the proper way. All the others did it partially. Take it for what it’s worth.



Here is a relevant excerpt from the Bible:




And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:14

Here is the Alchemical Cross (or crucified serpent):

http://symboldictionary.net/library/graphics/symbols/serpentcross.jpg




The gruesome symbol of a crucified serpent is an old alchemical drawing representing the “fixing of the volatile,” or, making the elixir of mercury, a legendary curative, by removing the ‘volatile’ or poisonous element. The picture is derived from the biblical story of Moses, who erected a brazen snake as a charm against plague.

Source: http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1363

Notice it represents the "fixing of the volatile" or in other words -- rectifying the deficiency.

http://0.tqn.com/d/altreligion/1/0/k/3/1/salchemy20.jpg

The symbology of this is two fold.

The serpent power rises up and fixes the volatile. By fixing the volatile it purifies the body. The kundalini rises through the central nervous system. The morphological construct of the central nervous system is the archontic tree of life and simultaneously represents the morphological construct of the demiurge (as described in earlier posts). The Tree of Knowledge is also in the same place, but it is overshadowed by the archontic tree of life (knowledge in the shadow of ignorance).

By purifying the archontic tree of life the subtle, morphological deficiency "dies" (i.e. it is rectified/purified/fixed). This is symbolized by the crucified snake -- which represents the twisted, morphogenetic form of the archontic tree of life.


If that even applies maybe the others only partially did it because they didn't dry up the root of the archontic tree first, before raising up the kundalini. Maybe they were just really good at trimming the leaves.

Okay, enough metaphors for tonight. I have to get some sleep. Again, like Bill said in the OP: These views are ongoing and provisional. I'm just trying to figure this thing out with everybody else. To find the why of the smear campaign. Go back and read that excerpt from the Gospel of Philip if you like, it's a powerful metaphor.

G'night. :)

[Finefeather]

are you able to clarify that Lucifer is the Morning Star and considered the Light Bringer in the story of the "Fall" of Adam and Eve and as such is not a "badie" at all?

If this is the case, are you able to expand on two questions I have please?
1 why have the "illuminati" adopted Lucifer as their "god"
2 why the association between satanism and Lucerifism if Lucifer in fact has been misunderstood/muddied in history ( as was Mary Magdalene)

Here is an extract from Laurency:

“The ancients” (initiates) called the planet Venus “the morning star” (not the evening star) as
well as “Lucifer” (he who brought “the light”, the knowledge to our planet). By order of the solar
systemic government the Venusian planetary government relinquished some of its members, who
took over the management of our planet when biological evolution had reached so far that the
brain of “ape-man” could begin to be mentalized. This was 21 million years ago. The direct result
of this was that the apes could begin to causalize (pass from the third to the fourth kingdom by
acquiring causal envelopes). The prerequisite of the transfer was, of course, that Venus was
enormously far ahead of Tellus in developmental respect. In fact, the mankind of Venus is the
only mankind in the solar system that concludes its evolution in the current aeon.

Here are some quotes from the bible:

The Bright Morning Star goes to the misnomer of "Lucifer", which is an incorrect title for Satan or the Devil taken from the King James Version of Isaiah 14:12. Were it not for this odd transliteration, "Lucifer" would not exist as a term in English, and there would be no confusion on the matter. As it is, we need to be careful, I would suggest, in using the term to describe who the Bible calls "Satan" or "the Devil". Most Christians are onto this, yet still the term "Lucifer" persists. In any case, the "morning star" is the title of Christ throughout the rest of Scripture.
2Pet 1:19 (NIV) And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Rev 2:28 (NIV) I will also give him the morning star.

Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

source: http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_morningstar.html

I wrote somewhere else that Lucifer is a collective term for the force that emanates from Venus.

Now if we keep in mind the clever modus operadi of the dark lodge/archons it would make good sense to add confusion to our already ignorant state, when it comes to these matters.
We know how the church has been infiltrated and most seem to accept this and so why not all the other sects and organisations, like the Masons, Rosicrucian Order, Scientology, etc etc. Each of these organisations which were ones upon a time considered credible have been cleverly turned into a place of darkness.
Of course if you speak to ordinary folk in the lower ranks of these organisation, which I have personally done, they are not aware of it. So to say, for example, that a Mason is a dark one is quite incorrect. All the Masons I know, and I know many in quite high positions, are fine, loving, concerned, family oriented people.

So what we should clearly understand is that the illuminati have created whole organisations and have named them with names, and have cleverly adopted names, which we have revered in society for 100s of years, as being the good guys...all to trap us into false doctrine and prevent consciousness growth, and to further promote separation and hatred amongst us.

Never underestimate the mental acuity of the illuminati top dogs, they are far more intelligent than most of us give them credit for.

Take care and love
Ray

[lookbeyond]

Dear Ray,im not quite following with re to why the illuminati would adopt Lucifer if what they adore is the sacrifices to satan (negative polarisation) as a means to aquire power/favour as did Hitler during the 2nd WW.I also dont understand the misrepresentaion of Lucifer in Earth history? Sorry to persist but i want to understand,k

[Finefeather]

Dear Vivek
I love your work and your endless enthusiasm so keep this in mind when reading this.

All the talk and effort which some of us spend many hours with trying to link the DNA with the hold the archons/black lodge have on us, is without any truth. DNA is part of matter aspect of the trinity and in our entire cosmos it is in full control of the Deva evolutionary chain. They are extremely highly advanced beings far more evolved than we are. The archons are Mickey Mouse to them :)

The Devas are highly organised throughout the cosmos and are responsible for building and shaping and aggregating physical manifestation.
The human body is a creation of their work to suit the evolutionary goals of the human race...and is now fixed for the entire length of the current aeon or cycle.

The Devas in their capacity as what we call Angels or Augoeides are those who construct our etheric bodies suitable for reincarnation...and the most important thing to realise is that the etheric body is the scaffold of the physical body and not the other way round. So the archons are unable in anyway to influence this.
The archons on the 'astral'/emotional plane are a mind parasite, they influence by telepathic emotional thought patterns into our emotional consciousness.

With love
Ray

[Finefeather]

Dear Ray,im not quite following with re to why the illuminati would adopt Lucifer if what they adore is the sacrifices to satan (negative polarisation) as a means to aquire power/favour as did Hitler during the 2nd WW.I also dont understand the misrepresentaion of Lucifer in Earth history? Sorry to persist but i want to understand,k
Dear lookbeyond
I just gave you my opinion of the answer in the above post...try reading it again :)
What you call adoption is merely their idea of using a good name to smear it.
There is actually no known gnostic or ancient writing, that I am aware of, which states that Lucifer is some cult which practices sacrifice and is a part of the satan group.
The illuminati and their cronies have just invented it and used the good name of Lucifer to fool everyone.

With love
Ray

edit: removed a reference which might cause an emotional response.

[CD7]

If that even applies maybe the others only partially did it because they didn't dry up the root of the archontic tree first, before raising up the kundalini. Maybe they were just really good at trimming the leaves.

Okay, enough metaphors for tonight. I have to get some sleep. Again, like Bill said in the OP: These views are ongoing and provisional. I'm just trying to figure this thing out with everybody else. To find the why of the smear campaign. Go back and read that excerpt from the Gospel of Philip if you like, it's a powerful metaphor.

G'night.




Vivek Thanks so much for these posts! Intertwining the metaphysical with the physical can reveal much...I appreciate the connections you are expressing. Incidentally, the surge in connections happening from one thread to the other is something I have not experienced in Avalon...it has been quite mind blowing to say the least :) (sorry Bill the heart wanted to speak :))

The Heart is the key in burning the root :) My 3 sense

[happyuk]

Awesome post. Thank you very much for a beautiful summary.

Christ's message was so powerful that it is no surprise that he was crucified by those in power.

Though he was crucified once, his teachings continue to be crucified by ignorant people. Christ-Consciousness of Jesus, free from the crucifixion of theological dogma and sectarianism, can and must be brought back into the souls of men, ie the second coming.

These spiritual truths will be found to be true if they are meditated upon sincerely and with intuitive perception, not by seeking sensual gratification or transporting oneself hither and yon ("The Kindom of God is within"). This concentration on inner, rather than outer worlds is often baffling to Western minds.

This laughable translation illustrates the point I am trying to make: an inspired medieval saint, the cobbler Ravidas, singing in the simple words of his own trade of the spiritual glory hidden in all mankind:

"Under the vast vault of blue
Lives the divinity clothed in hide."

And as translated by a blundering Western writer:

"He afterwards built a hut,
set up in it an idol which he made from a hide,
and applied himself to its worship."

[Prodigal Son]

So what we should clearly understand is that the illuminati have created whole organisations and have named them with names, and have cleverly adopted names, which we have revered in society for 100s of years, as being the good guys...all to trap us into false doctrine and prevent consciousness growth, and to further promote separation and hatred amongst us.

Yes Ray, and the "Illuminati" have even taken on the name of their enemies in order to confuse researchers as to who the "Illuminati" really are. Think about it: Everything that these cabalists do has to do with darkness, keeping people in the dark. They hate the light and have nothing to do with it. Like cockroaches, they scatter when the lights come on. They are not in any way illuminated. Illuminism is the truth, and if they believed in the truth they would love their fellow man instead of trying to dominate them. Further proof that they are not human in spirit at all.

It is important to note that the "shining one, son of the dawn" of Isaiah 14:12 was originally written about a Babylonian king. It has nothing to do with Satan, and even if it did, "Lucifer" is the name given to him in his pre-fallen state... in other words, very much Christ-like.

[Christine]

Beautiful Ray,

"A law of the cosmos is...not one can be left out...not one is greater than the other."

For myself and my own evolvement this is true. Like many statements that appear simple on the surface there is a great depth of meaning to those who look.

When we speak of illusions we must include all illusions within that context, we could say our reality is really a world of pure fantasy and on one level we would be correct. Except for those who suffer or exhilarate: It is a reality. It doesn't do us any service to say it doesn't really exist because it does. The trick here is to understand how this reality operates and is manifest.

Without our own experiential perceptual truth we cannot understand the true nature of reality.

You see I don't see these souls giving out "false information" so much as information, their own experiential data. To put it another way, if you say as you do with much authority.. "such and such is true", someone else would say that is false only because they haven't had the same experience.

My deeply held conviction is that by sharing our individual pieces of experience without the need to be "correct", that by stripping away the installed beliefs, outdated concepts and fear of disclosure we are coming together so that no one is greater than the other.

We actually need to end the whole paradigm of false vs. true or right vs. wrong if we want to get out of duality all together.

Lovingly,
Christine




Ray (Fine Feather) makes valid points and indeed is very wise however what is perhaps missed here is that these researchers; John Lash, Eve Lorgen, Karla Turner Truman Cash, James Bartley, etc., those who have accepted the mission to penetrate the "dark lords realm" do so in service to us all.

For that which we do not see will manipulate us.

Hi Christine
Yes I agree entirely with you, most of these people are not willingly or knowing giving out false information and are much more than likely beautiful souls, however, what this should teach us is that even the best out there are still subject to the illusions which face us during our consciousness growth.

The important thing for us to try to come to grips with is that this is all part of the process of transformation from kingdom to kingdom. The fact that we have these dark brothers biting at our heels all the time, and are present in just about everything we come across, can be looked at as a series of hurdles or obstacles.

Taking this idea into a different view or attitude we could end up seeing this as some kind of game, which I have noticed many do. The fact of the matter is that not one Being...not one human...not one alien...not one Archon, can be left behind in the long run...because we all have equal right to the collective and total consciousness of the cosmos. This we should never forget.

The fact that there are some pretty nasty people out there in the streets and in other realms is just "how it is" and it is no use retreating into some little corner and hoping that it will all go away by tomorrow.

We each have to set our own time table and decide for ourselves when we want to make the move to the next higher kingdom.

A law of the cosmos is...not one can be left out...not one is greater than the other.

Love
Ray

[observer]

Jay Weidner's article RISE OF THE ARCHONS is from his website, in turn a transcript from a radio interview with Jeff Rense. It's a very valuable, succinct summary of the likely situation.

Here is the audio interview : RISE OF THE ARCHONS - Jay Weidner Rense interview 4/8/11

Part 1 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3

Part 2 : http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr3.mp3

Here is the article on his website : www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html (http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html)

Thank you buares, for this most relevant Jay Weidner/Rense interview. One might take the time to listen to all the parts of this interview, but listen very carefully around the 34 minute mark of Part II.

During the first Gulf War, thousands of Saddam Husseine's Elite Republican Guard exited their bunkers in the desert and surrendered - some to unescorted news reporting teams. They all told the same story: "Allah told me to do it".

It has been shown, the global elite have this advanced electromagnetic technology to implant thoughts into the heads of those to whom this technology is directed. There is not a scintilla of difference between this advanced technology, and the electromagnetic technology the Archon have been using against the Mass of Humanity since the Dawn of Man. All implanted thought is similar. Call it prophecy, clairvoyance, channeling, remote viewing, or any other of the many nomenclatures that have been applied to the phenomenon.


Research Reference -

Dr. Barrie Trower:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-tbzJSrk

[Marin]

Paul started an interesting thread with Scott Wolter here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59768-Scott-Wolter-the-Kensington-Runestone-the-Knights-Templar-and-American-IndiansThe Hooked X is mentioned as it is also carved in stone at Roslyn Chapel here in Scotland. I mention the Sinclair's (St. Clairs) The guardians of Roslyn Chapel in that thread and according to the Holy Blood Holy Grail The Sinclair's are the descended blood line from the union of Jesus and Mary Magdaline.

Thank you - very fascinating. Seems I have a lot more to investigate on that thread as well. :)

What stood out for me was some of the material discussed around 37 minutes into the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVVndaqvgs&feature=player_embedded

I've paraphrased some of it here:

Scott: "Knights Templar - They were a sovereign nation - they were outlaws.
Host (Henrik): They (Knights Templar) began as crusader for the pope - Pope Urban the II - 1096-1099 - right?
Scott: That's what they wanted them to think. Understand this is not so simple. I'll use an analogy and I'll use our American Military (to describe it).
Do you think the guys fighting on the front lines have the same information as the Generals running the show?
Henrik: Of course not.
Scott: So, the bulk of the Templars that were fighting for Christianity - that fought the crusades - were fighting for the church - but there were ulterior motives going on at the same time.

Scott: If I'm right - that Bernard and other leaders of the Cistercian and Templar orders in the early part of 12th century were, in fact, members of the bloodline of Jesus - In their minds they were going back to Jerusalem to secure the perimeter
So they could go back underneath the "temple" and get the stuff they knew was there: The Talpiot tomb (1980) -1st century tomb found in Jerusalem.
10 ossuaries found
6 were inscribed with names
These ossuaries were found in a tomb. A symbol was carved on the outside of the tomb: Pyramid with a circle in it.

According to the Scholars - someone entered that tomb - 900 years ago.
What was going on 900 years ago? The First crusades.
Who fought these? The Night Templar.
The leadership was probably part of the bloodline

Fact of the Temples tombs:
Of the 10 ossuaries - 2 Ossuaries empty - they had no bones. The rest had bones
Which ossuaries were empty? Jesus, son of Joseph and Mariamne Mara
Mariamne - pet name for Mary Magdalene used in the first Gospel of Phillip
Mara is a title of honor
Her ossuary: beautifully decorated with rosettes and the flower of life.
Her ossuary is the only name carved in Greek
To be buried in a 1st century ossuary - you have to come form a wealthy family and to have an ornately carved ossuary - you must be rich.
Hence, the conundrum

Now the bones are missing
But whoever went into the tomb 900 years ago left 3 skulls placed in a triangle - in reverence
This was the tomb of their ancestors. Their king
All they took was "his and her" bones
Why would they take the bones? The answer is obvious - As protection against the church.
Once the Knights Templar had the bones - they could tell the church - don't mess with us.
Because the very foundation of the Roman Church is the divinity of Jesus
To have bones of Jesus - that might be a problem - wouldn't it?

The triangle symbol is very interesting if you study the Templars and the Freemasons
Ancient symbol - downward pointing triangle - the pubic triangle - here again, the symbol where life comes from
Ancient reverence of the sacred feminine - which is the essence of their ideological belief
And this is the ideological war that has been raging ever sense
That's the reason they came over here (North America)
This ideological war - that's the reason they came over here to practice their faith without persecution

Most Native American cultures on this continent were matriarchal
When the Knights Templar came here (North America) they met with the Native American Indians
Respect the Native American culture - listen to what they have to say - I (Scott Wolter) will sum it up - "They Know" (the Native American Indians - know).
Why do you think genocide took place with the Native American Culture?

A war for 250 years took place in North American even before the settlers arrived here.
The church sent out Jesuits to eradicate what was happening here in North America because the Knights Templar (bloodline) intermingled with the Native American Indians. They shared rituals. They share the same ideologies."

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Much of this lines up with some of the material I've been investigating.

I have always been drawn to Native American cultures and in particular with Robert Morning Sky's research. He wrote a book in 1997 entitled Guardians of the Grail.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005IA72N0
"Finally...the book based on the information that may have caused Robert's accident. Read this book for yourself and discover 'the Secret' that the Templars have kept carefully hidden away for hundreds of years. Fully documented, the 'Hidden History' of the group that the Freemasons were born from, is made available to everyone..."

Unfortunately, the book is no longer in print. However, Robert has discussed some of this material in a handful of his interviews and on his website. I'd still be interested in a copy of the book if anyone knows how to find one. Used copies have not surfaced in the last couple of years that I've been looking.

Many of you may already be familiar with Robert Morning Sky's work - if not, I highly recommend you take the time.
http://robertmorningsky.com/
AND
http://ladyoffire.com/sacredeye2.html#top

Coming soon on his website: "Knights of the Goddess"

I had the opportunity a few months ago to study with a female Siberian Shaman from the same area Robert Morning Sky discussed in great detail on his website. So many common threads coming together. The common denominator: The hidden history of the Divine Feminine.

[4evrneo]

From, The Gospel of Philip:



So also with the tree: while its root is hidden, it sprouts and grows. If its root is exposed, the tree dries up. So it is with every birth that is in the world, not only with the revealed but with the hidden. For so long as the root of wickedness is hidden, it is strong. But when it is recognized, it is dissolved. When it is revealed, it perishes. That is why the Word says, "Already the axe is laid at the root of the trees" (Mt 3:10). It will not merely cut - what is cut sprouts again - but the ax penetrates deeply, until it brings up the root. Jesus pulled out the root of the whole place, while others did it only partially. As for ourselves, let each one of us dig down after the root of evil which is within one, and let one pluck it out of one's heart from the root. It will be plucked out if we recognize it. But if we are ignorant of it, it takes root in us and produces its fruit in our heart. It masters us. We are its slaves. It takes us captive, to make us do what we do not want; and what we do want, we do not do. It is powerful because we have not recognized it. While it exists it is active. Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment.


The passage says that when the root of wickedness is revealed, it perishes. It’s up to us to pluck it out, metaphorically. This is through the power of our own will as well and our actions. To expose the root is to recognize it. By doing so we know what it is, how it functions, and what gives it nourishment.



Thank you Vivek for bringing this up, I was reading the Gospel of Phillip yesterday and this is pretty close as to what I gleaned from it as well.

There are so many gems in this gospel so I am delving deeply into it right now, and look forward to more of your thoughts on it :)

[4evrneo]

My deeply held conviction is that by sharing our individual pieces of experience without the need to be "correct", that by stripping away the installed beliefs, outdated concepts and fear of disclosure we are coming together so that no one is greater than the other.

We actually need to end the whole paradigm of false vs. true or right vs. wrong if we want to get out of duality all together.

Lovingly,
Christine


I couldnt agree more Christine! my sentiments exactly :)

Bless,

[lookbeyond]

Dear Ray,im not quite following with re to why the illuminati would adopt Lucifer if what they adore is the sacrifices to satan (negative polarisation) as a means to aquire power/favour as did Hitler during the 2nd WW.I also dont understand the misrepresentaion of Lucifer in Earth history? Sorry to persist but i want to understand,k
Dear lookbeyond
I just gave you my opinion of the answer in the above post...try reading it again :)
What you call adoption is merely their idea of using a good name to smear it.
There is actually no known gnostic or ancient writing, that I am aware of, which states that Lucifer is some cult which practices sacrifice and is a part of the satan group.
The illuminati and their cronies have just invented it and used the good name of Lucifer to fool everyone.

With love
Ray

edit: removed a reference which might cause an emotional response.

Thankyou Ray for the clarification- please add the reference as i promise to use my mental body, k

[Marin]

"Okay, check this out.

The archontic tree of knowledge is the false tree. It represents the brain stem. It's fruit would be the thalamus/hypothalamus.
.....

The hypothalamus is important in emotional expression and linked to the cerebral cortex in emotional experience. It is also significant in the reception of direct sensory inputs.
.....

The archontic tree of knowledge has it's own fruit (ie the pituitary and hypothalamus), while the true Tree of Knowledge has the good fruit (ie Epinoia of the light, the date, the Phoenix, the eagle). This is the pineal gland, which would mean that the tree represents the cerebellum.
.....

This view is provisional and ongoing as well."


Interesting observations. I love what you bring to threads. :)

In the above post you've highlighted that the thalamus, hypothalamus and pituitary glands are all part of what you've described as the "archonic tree of knowledge."

What do these these 3 glands (the thalamus, hypothalamus and pituitary glands) have in common? They're all part of the limbic system.

What is the limbic system?

The limbic system is responsible for the human ability to process emotions, as well as encode, store, and retrieve memories.

The limbic system lies above the brainstem and below the cortex. It plays a role in arousal, memory, emotions, feeding, sexual behaviors, and motivation. Many brain structures comprise this system, such as the amygdala, hypothalamus, and hippocampus.

Ultimately this system seems to play a key role in our "emotional life" and our ability to form memories while tying our emotional response to them.

http://s7.postimg.org/5th091vpn/brain_limbicsystem.jpg

https://www.boundless.com/psychology/the-biology-of-psychology/central-nervous-system/the-limbic-system/

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What I find so interesting is that what you've described in your post relates to material I've been researching with regard to the healing properties of essential oils and Mary Magdalene. "She taught the skill of healing with oils. Few people realize the wisdom that the Magdalene presented to the world in the development of the use of essential oils."

Why are these two topics related? Because the limbic system is the access point for the healing properties of essential oils.

"Essential Oils facilitate the release of negative emotions, unresolved angers, resentments, and ancestral memory of trauma and pain." As a result, they are a powerful healing modality.

For those that are not familiar with essential oils I put together a thread some months ago:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54262-Mary-Magdalene-Essential-Oils-and-Healing


"In ancient Egypt, the priests and priestesses at the healing Temple of Hathor at Dendera both taught and administered the Sacred Science of essential oils. This knowledge, which was handed down by the priest/initiates for over 5,000 years is recorded on the walls of Dendera Temple. Some people believe that Jesus and Mary Magdalene participated in the Mystery School as taught at Dendera and learned the magic of the esoteric anointing oils."

http://www.templeofsakkara.com/theemerald.htm

What is the relationship between the limbic system and essential oils?


"One way of accessing the glia brain is through smell, thus activating the limbic system.

The olfactory bulbs also connect with the limbic system which is connected to the amygdale gland. This has 2 parts- the posterior which ties into emotional side so that you can access all your pain or negative emotions and the anterior forces everything into the frontal lobes which access time, space and medicine so that the glia brain can be used to go into higher realms of consciousness."
-Mary Hardy, Ph.D.


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A brief overview:

The thalamus is part of the limbic system associated with transmission of sensory information to the cerebral cortex.

The hypothalamus is part of the limbic system associated with regulation of body temperature, metabolism and influences certain emotions.

The pituitary gland is located in the cerebral cortex and secretes hormones that have a wide range of effects on the growth metabolism and other functions of the body.

The hippocampus is the part of the limbic system associated with conscious factual/rational (declarative) memories. The hippocampus can store information for either short periods of time or long periods of time depending on the type of information being stored.

The amygdala is the part of the limbic system associated with unconscious behavioral/emotional (procedural) memories. It rapidly processes information related to fear.

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Alchemy of the Oils and the Glia Brain

Rev. Mary Hardy, Ph.D.

Many people are not aware of the Glia brain. It is the organ in the body that allows the frequency of the oils to move through the body in seconds. It also allows the body to read the alchemical function in the body.

One way of accessing the glia brain is through smell, thus activating the limbic system. The olfactory bulbs (located in the nose) have little hairs that act as antennas that are tied into the entire neuroelectric field of the body.

Candace Pert has changed the whole field of medicine by discovering a class of tiny proteins known as peptides—including the opiates and serotonin—which were found to regulate our behavior, mood, and health.

Our bodies are studded with peptide receptors. For Pert, this means consciousness operates at a cellular level, involving the mating dance of each receptor and the particular peptide that binds to it. Or, as she puts it, “Your subconscious mind is really your body.

Peptides are the biochemical correlate of emotion.” Pert has changed the whole face of medicine by discovering the action of the peptides but yet the medical field hasn’t recognized that this action takes place in the largest organ in the body, the glia brain.

The olfactory bulbs also connect with the limbic system which is connected to the amygdale gland. This has 2 parts- the posterior which ties into emotional side so that you can access all your pain or negative emotions and the anterior forces everything into the frontal lobes which access time, space and medicine so that the glia brain can be used to go into higher realms of consciousness.

The 5th sense of the body, smell, can’t be understood completely until you understand its value through aromatherapy and the glia brain.

The control panel for the glia brain is the heart. If one is to go inter-dimensionally they must access consciousness through the heart. Science has not studied the glia brain enough to understand how one can access consciousness. The heart and limbic system is accessed through the frontal lobes which are connected to the amygdale gland and olfactory nerves."

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The Egyptians — Masters of Transformation

"The Egyptians were masters in using essential oils and other aromatics for healing emotions and negative energy.

Historical records describe how one of the founders of the "pharaonic" medicine was the architect, Imhotep (2780-2720 B.C.) and is associated with the use of oils, herbs, and aromatic plants for medicinal purposes.

According to ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, priests and alchemists were using essential oils thousands of years ago to heal the sick and in many spiritual rituals.

They believed that the sense of smell and the ability to detect odors was the most important of the sensory abilities because smelling essential oils can increase one's frequency thereby leading to transformation of negative energy.

Only those trained in the temples were taught how to use this wisdom. They were known as the sisters and brothers of the Emerald Fire because they had to keep the balance point of emerald green within their auric field.

This knowledge of smell activating the higher consciousness is a way of developing the soul.

The essential oil aldehydes and esters activate the amygdala and pineal gland to relax the central nervous system, affecting both the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system, and also supports the body in releasing the acid that was created from negative emotions and negative energy which heals the DNA.

The emotions of anxiety and fear, for example, creates an acidic condition that activates the transcript enzyme that transcribes that emotion onto the RNA template (RNA is the sister molecule of DNA) and stores it in the DNA. The negative emotion then becomes a predominant factor in our lives from that moment on.

A sacred room in the Temple of Isis on the island of Philae depicts a ritual called "Cleansing the Flesh and Blood of Evil Deities" from which this compilation of oil blends was produced by Essential Oils to release negative emotion, anger, and ancestral memory of trauma and pain.

Research has only begun to delve into the subconscious mind to discover how they affect every aspect of our lives. Many people find that they are unable to progress in life and achieve sought-after goals and dreams due to the trauma of emotional and physical abuse.

This Egyptian DNA Healing therapy will heal negative energy and emotions that keep you from moving forward in your life and spiritual growth.""

http://ancienthealingscience.com/emotional_release_oils.html


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I have another post that highlights the second piece of this story - that is, the role of Mary Magdalene and essential oils: The Magdalene, Knights Templar and Alchemy

I'll create a separate post. Part II :)

[Finefeather]

Dear Ray,im not quite following with re to why the illuminati would adopt Lucifer if what they adore is the sacrifices to satan (negative polarisation) as a means to aquire power/favour as did Hitler during the 2nd WW.I also dont understand the misrepresentaion of Lucifer in Earth history? Sorry to persist but i want to understand,k
Further to my previous posts on this...
I was just reading the Gospel of Philip because there is so much posted about this by Vivek and need to brush up.
Here is a passage which gives us a clear indication of what the archons/black lodge are in the eyes of the gnostics

But truth brought names into existence in the world for our sakes, because it is not possible to learn it (truth) without these names. Truth is one single thing; it is many things and for our sakes to teach about this one thing in love through many things. The rulers (archons) wanted to deceive man, since they saw that he had a kinship with those that are truly good. They took the name of those that are good and gave it to those that are not good, so that through the names they might deceive him and bind them to those that are not good. And afterward, what a favor they do for them! They make them be removed from those that are not good and place them among those that are good. These things they knew, for they wanted to take the free man and make him a slave to them forever.

These are powers which [...] man, not wishing him to be saved, in order that they may [...]. For if man is saved, there will not be any sacrifices [...] and animals will not be offered to the powers. Indeed, the animals were the ones to whom they sacrificed. They were indeed offering them up alive, but when they offered them up, they died. As for man, they offered him up to God dead, and he lived.

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.html

[Finefeather]

Just another interesting passage from the Gospel of Philip...which seems to confirm everyone's contributions about Mary and Jesus.


There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary.
So the Lord was Christ in the body of Jesus, now called the Lord.
Mary was the mother of Jesus, A different Mary was Jesus's sister, I think...or aunt, and Magdalene, who was also a Mary, was Jesus's chick...his babe...his hunneh bunneh :)

Sorry, just in that kind of mood today...it's a beautiful day and I am so happy ;)
Love you all
Ray

[Finefeather]

So what we should clearly understand is that the illuminati have created whole organisations and have named them with names, and have cleverly adopted names, which we have revered in society for 100s of years, as being the good guys...all to trap us into false doctrine and prevent consciousness growth, and to further promote separation and hatred amongst us.

Yes Ray, and the "Illuminati" have even taken on the name of their enemies in order to confuse researchers as to who the "Illuminati" really are. Think about it: Everything that these cabalists do has to do with darkness, keeping people in the dark. They hate the light and have nothing to do with it. Like cockroaches, they scatter when the lights come on. They are not in any way illuminated. Illuminism is the truth, and if they believed in the truth they would love their fellow man instead of trying to dominate them. Further proof that they are not human in spirit at all.

It is important to note that the "shining one, son of the dawn" of Isaiah 14:12 was originally written about a Babylonian king. It has nothing to do with Satan, and even if it did, "Lucifer" is the name given to him in his pre-fallen state... in other words, very much Christ-like.
Hi dear Prodigal Son
Yes I am aware of this...and now we all associate the Illuminati with the archons/dark lodge There is actually a website claiming to be the real Illuminati, I have read some of their articles with great interest.
http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/

Unfortunately the deed is done. They say that the first thing we read makes the biggest impression on us, and is the most difficult to erase, and this tells a good story.
So we have to make new plans to gather and direct the earnest seeker to the truth.

How many of us still are trapped in old habits and dogmas based on our first beliefs?

The human race has become so inundated with choices, like toothpaste and washing powder, that when finally some truth comes our way, we reject it because it is most probably, just another story...and we sigh..."Oh not another one...well let's give it a try next month".

Take care and be Love
Ray

[Atlas]

I am still extremely interested in the Talpiot Tomb, and highly recommend Simcha Jacobovici's riveting documentary

Jacobovici's Talpiot Tomb part.2 : "The Resurrection Tomb Mystery (2012)"

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In 2009 and 2010, Tabor and Rami Arav, professor of archaeology at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, working together with Jacobovici, obtained a license to excavate the current tomb from the Israel Antiquities Authority under the academic sponsorship of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

The findings were detailed in a preliminary report by James D. Tabor, professor and chair of religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, published online in www.bibleinterp.com (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/www.bibleinterp.com) on February 28, 2012.

[Marin]

I wanted to learn more about this coin. Thus far, I only found this. I offer it here for those of you who are digging deep into this intriguing material.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2013/03/what-was-scott-wolters-templar-coin.html

Perhaps this might help:

John of Brienne, Templar “King of Jerusalem” and the Talpiot “Jesus” Tomb
by James Tabor

http://jamestabor.com/2013/03/07/john-of-brienne-templar-king-of-jerusalem-and-the-talpiot-jesus-tomb/

Earlier this week I wrote a short post about Scott Wolter’s claim on the recent History 2 Channel program, “Tracking the Templars,” part of his popular series “America Unearthed,” that the famous Crusader order we know as the Knights Templar must have known about the Talpiot “Jesus” tomb. Simcha Jacobovici has now weighed in asserting that the Templar coin that Wolter displayed, with its symbolism matching the facade of the tomb, is a “smoking gun” connecting the Templars with the tomb. You can read his reasoning here, plus links to materials he presented back in 2007 in connection with his film, “The Lost Tomb of Jesus,” here. I find the coin quite intriguing but as I noted in my earlier post I find Wolter’s overall “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” thesis heavy on speculation.

http://s10.postimg.org/ktgagqzm1/chevron.jpg

Here is what we know about the history of this 1st century CE tomb. Although it does appear that the Talpiot “Jesus” tomb had been violated prior to 1980 when it was excavated by the Israel Antiquities team, just when and by whom it is hard to say. There was no blocking stone ever found that would have sealed the entrance of the tomb. As a consequence large amounts of the local terra rosa soil had washed into the tomb to the point of even covering the tops of the ossuaries in the six burial niches or kokhim.

There were three skulls found on the floor of the tomb as well as other bones, including vertebrae, shoulder bones, and limbs. Were the skulls placed there purposely or were they, along with the other bones, unceremoniously swept to the floor from the two shelves or arcosolia. If the latter is the case, this seems to indicate some kind of violation, rather than a respectful treatment of the remains of the dead by the family in antiquity. Two of the skulls were found just below the shelves that once held corpses in a state of decomposition and a third was just to the right of the entrance to the tomb. Some have noted a “triangular” pattern in the placement of the skulls, perhaps indicating some ritual or ceremonial purposes. In our book, The Jesus Discovery, pp. 21-33 we provide maps, photos, and a documented comprehensive analytical overview of all we know of the 1980 excavation of the tomb. I know of no other source as complete as our treatment therein.

In Shimon Gibson’s original drawing he presents the skulls clearly and precisely. He told me that Joseph Gat, the excavator, had removed them and took great care to show Gibson precisely where they had been on the floor so he could include them in his drawing shown here, boldly labeled. Both Gibson and Gat though the skulls were one of the oddest features of this tomb. Strangely, when Amos Kloner published the official report on the 1980 excavation in 1996–only after it came to world attention–the skulls were airbrushed out of Gibson’s drawing:

http://s13.postimg.org/5k53d2haf/Gibson_Map.jpg

There are really two separate questions here. When was the tomb violated and by whom? When was the tomb left open with the blocking stone removed? And is there any evidence, other than the imagery on this coin, that would connect the time of the pre-1980 tomb entry to the Crusaders of the 13th century? I am not aware of anything of this sort that would give us even an approximate date. It is entirely possible that the evidence of the skeletal materials and skulls on the floor are unconnected to the tomb being left open–with the blocking stone missing and soil beginning to wash in. In other words, the tomb might have been violated and resealed, and at some subsequent date left open–even in more recent times. After all, the washed in soil had not completely filled the tomb to the ceiling, as might have been the case had it been left open for nearly a thousand years. I know of other three other such 1st century tombs in the Hinnom Valley that have never been excavated and are completely filled with soil–but were likely violated at some earlier time, as the blocking stones are missing.

But what about the Crusader period Templar coin? Norman Stambaugh was kind enough to look up a bit more of the evidence we have regarding this coin and also pointed out to me a second one that seems to have a version of the same “Chevron” with a circle/dot pattern. His source was History of the Crusades, vol. 6, edited by Harry W. Hazard and Norman P. Zacour (University of Wisconsin, 1989). You can access it on-line here. Wolter’s coin is item 53, page 416, “Coinage of the Kings of Jerusalem.” The photo in the on-line edition of the book is a bit fuzzy for web display but here is a very sharp image of the same coin from an auction house. Looks like it recently sold for $2200! Thanks to Thomas Wolke for the link:

http://s14.postimg.org/clm12g11t/REX_IOHANNES_of_Brienne.jpg

http://s2.postimg.org/le0519c49/John_Brienne_Details.jpg

This is of course a coin celebrating the triumph of John of Brienne, the prominent French noblemen of the 5th and 6th Crusades who was declared “King of Jerusalem,” and whose career is one of the most colorful in the period. He had a daughter, Yolanda, by Maria of Montferrat, his first wife of his three marriages, who subsequently ruled as “Queen of Jerusalem.” John and Maria were jointly coronated as “King and Queen” of Jerusalem. The face on the coin would of course be his, and the editors interpret him as wearing a “triangular crown with pendants”–the top of which seems to be uncanny close to the symbol on the facade of the Talpiot “Jesus” tomb. Looking at the other extant coins from the “Kingdom of Jerusalem” from this period the representation of a “face” appears to be unique. At first glance I thought the head piece might be some kind of Crusader “helmet,” but given the inscription: IOHANNES REX–it is clearly a royal crown or perhaps a “mitre” of a very unique style, and it is quite different from the more typical royal crowns shown on John and Maria in a coronation engraving of the period. So what did it symbolize?

In some ways the second coin is even more fascinating, in that it appears on the observe to have a symbol that is quite precisely like the Talpiot “Jesus” tomb facade, including the top little “chimney” that Simcha has emphasized in his post. The editors find it totally unique and don’t even hazard a guess as to its meaning and significance. The three dots to the left of the symbol add all the more to the intrigue. It is from the same period, badly struck, copper, and described thus:

http://s13.postimg.org/oyfknm4g7/image011.png

Crusaders, Lordship of Sidon, Anonymous Copper, c. 1250 – 1291”, and “uneven strike, 1.682g, 16.9mm, obverse cross, pellet in each angle, within square with bar from each corner, very crude inscription, H…O…; reverse pellet in triangle, pellets around. Totally unique, no other coin like it any any reference. From the collection of Alex G. Malloy, former dealer for 40 years and co-author of “Coins of the Crusader States.”

During the First Crusade, on December 4, 1110, Sidon was captured by King Baldwin of Jerusalem and King Sigurd of Norway. It became the center of the Lordship of Sidon, an important seigneury in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Under the crusaders, Sidon was sacked several times and nearly destroyed by the Saracens in 1249, and again by the Mongols in 1260. About month after the capture of Acre in late spring 1291, Al-Ashraf Khalil sent a force led by Emir al-Shuja’i to Sidon. The Knights Templar had moved their treasure to Sidon and taken refuge inside a sea castle on an isle about 90 meters from the shore. When the Sultan’s forces began to build a bridge the knights escaped by sea and crusader rule of Sidon ended. The fabric and crudeness in design of the anonymous copper pieces, such as this coin, put them in into a similar time frame as the anonymous copper of Tripoli and Antioch, perhaps during the Mongol invasions of the 1250s or perhaps later.

There is a much earlier coin of William I “The Conquerer” (1066-1087), minted around 1070 that seems to show the King wearing some kind of crown but with a “temple” like facade behind his head that has some similarities to the Chevron and circle imagery.

http://s17.postimg.org/j9j1l0mhr/William_the_Conquerer_500x250.jpg

[Jeffrey]

"Okay, check this out.

The archontic tree of knowledge is the false tree. It represents the brain stem. It's fruit would be the thalamus/hypothalamus.
.....

The hypothalamus is important in emotional expression and linked to the cerebral cortex in emotional experience. It is also significant in the reception of direct sensory inputs.
.....

The archontic tree of knowledge has it's own fruit (ie the pituitary and hypothalamus), while the true Tree of Knowledge has the good fruit (ie Epinoia of the light, the date, the Phoenix, the eagle). This is the pineal gland, which would mean that the tree represents the cerebellum.
.....

This view is provisional and ongoing as well."


Interesting observations. I love what you bring to threads. :)

In the above post you've highlighted that the thalamus, hypothalamus and pituitary glands are all part of what you've described as the "archonic tree of knowledge."

What do these these 3 glands (the thalamus, hypothalamus and pituitary glands) have in common? They're all part of the limbic system.

What is the limbic system?

The limbic system is responsible for the human ability to process emotions, as well as encode, store, and retrieve memories.

The limbic system lies above the brainstem and below the cortex. It plays a role in arousal, memory, emotions, feeding, sexual behaviors, and motivation. Many brain structures comprise this system, such as the amygdala, hypothalamus, and hippocampus.

Ultimately this system seems to play a key role in our "emotional life" and our ability to form memories while tying our emotional response to them.

http://s7.postimg.org/5th091vpn/brain_limbicsystem.jpg

https://www.boundless.com/psychology/the-biology-of-psychology/central-nervous-system/the-limbic-system/

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What I find so interesting is that what you've described in your post relates to material I've been researching with regard to the healing properties of essential oils and Mary Magdalene. "She taught the skill of healing with oils. Few people realize the wisdom that the Magdalene presented to the world in the development of the use of essential oils."

Why are these two topics related? Because the limbic system is the access point for the healing properties of essential oils.

"Essential Oils facilitate the release of negative emotions, unresolved angers, resentments, and ancestral memory of trauma and pain." As a result, they are a powerful healing modality.

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It's really cool that you posted this. A few hours were spent last night compiling information about the limbic system (and cerebellum) and to wake up this morning to your post is awesome. Some synchronicity there. Alright, check this out.

These were some ideas I was playing with in the metaphors of meaning thread.


The chimera is a creature with the head of a lion and the tail of a serpent. This has strong correlations with the demiurge (lion-headed snake).

In the post(s) above, observations were made that correlated the form of the demiurge to structures of the human central nervous system.

The chimera has similar connotations, yet there is more to it.

The chimera also has a goat on the back of the lion.

http://data3.blog.de/media/134/2171134_86e9999b82_m.gif

The curved horns of a goat also resemble a structure in the brain. That structure is the hippocampus.

http://www.liquidarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/cerebellum.jpg



Picture the thalamus as the head of the lion (the demiurge) and it's facing towards the front of the skull. Now the brain stem (midbrain, pons, medulla) is it's body, and the spinal cord is the tail (snake-like). The horns of the hippocampus would be on the back of it. This is depicted as the goat on the back of the chimera. Therefore, the entire idea of the chimera may represent this brain structure -- thalamus, hippocampus (with amydalae), brain stem, and the spinal cord.

Now, here's what threw me for a loop. The etymology of the word thalamus.



1753, "the receptacle of a flower," Modern Latin, from Latin thalamus "inner chamber," from Greek thalamos "inner chamber, bedroom," related to thalame "den, lair," tholos "vault, vaulted building."

Source: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=Forebrain

Incredible. This is the bridal chamber. Guess what is tucked on the backside, nestled in-between the two lobes of the thalamus ... the pineal gland. This is Epinoia of the Light, she is a part of the tree of knowledge. It is her that teaches us about our own Light. She is the eagle in the tree, the wings of the cross.

I'm not sure if the actual structure of the thalamus in the brain is the bridal chamber. It could be that space is considered the bridal chamber and the thalamus happens to be there. Let's just set that aside for now. Keeping in mind all the trees and their corresponding physiology/fruits ... now we have the bridal chamber. This makes reading the codex way more interesting.

From The Gospel of Philip:



It is from water and fire that the soul and the spirit came into being. It is from water and fire and light that the son of the bridal chamber (came into being). The fire is the chrism, the light is the fire. I am not referring to that fire which has no form, but to the other fire whose form is white, which is bright and beautiful, and which gives beauty.

You know what I'm thinking the son of the bridal chamber might be? The kundalini. The chrism is why Christ was called Christ. "The fire is the chrism, the light is the fire." I'm still thinking this is referring to the kundalini. Okay, moving on. This is the next paragraph.



Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way. There is a rebirth and an image of rebirth. It is certainly necessary to be born again through the image. Which one? Resurrection. The image must rise again through the image.

This could be referring to raising, or resurrecting the kundalini. It must rise again, up into the bridal chamber. Maybe. Again, from The Gospel of Philip:



If the woman had not separated from the man, she should not die with the man. His separation became the beginning of death. Because of this, Christ came to repair the separation, which was from the beginning, and again unite the two, and to give life to those who died as a result of the separation, and unite them. But the woman is united to her husband in the bridal chamber. Indeed, those who have united in the bridal chamber will no longer be separated. Thus Eve separated from Adam because it was not in the bridal chamber that she united with him.

So the kundalini must be united with Epinoia? Something's definitely here. Remember all that talk of the chief archon defiling Eve? Well, look at the physiology and keep in mind the metaphors. The brain stem may represent the phallus (Freud? lol) which is the demiurge ... It's rubbing against some aspect of Eve in the bridal chamber. Just something to get the gears turning.

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About the cerebellum. I do think it represents the Tree of Knowledge (the arbor vitae is the white matter in the cerebellum -- it's latin for tree of life), and it has been supplanted by the brain stem. We know very little about the cerebellum, and it's known functions really undermine it's structure and complexity. When Descartes talks about the pineal body he wasn't talking about the pineal gland as we know it. He was describing and commentating on the vermis of the cerebellum. So all the "seat of the soul" stuff from Descartes wasn't referencing the pineal gland -- he was talking about a structure in the cerebellum (something like that, you might want to fact check that one for specifics). That's cool. Anyways, check this out.

From Wikipedia:



Because of its large number of tiny granule cells, the cerebellum contains more neurons than the rest of the brain put together, but it takes up only 10% of total brain volume. The number of neurons in the cerebellum is related to the number of neurons in the neocortex. There are about 3.6 times as many neurons in the cerebellum as in neocortex, a number that is conserved across many different mammalian species.

Now, if you want something else really interesting to discuss ... the cerebellum of Neanderthals was much larger than that of modern humans and early modern humans (cro-magnons). This has led to theories that Neanderthals were matriarchal and worshiped the moon. Emmanuel Swedenborg has some interesting thoughts on the cerebellum. There's some interesting things out there if you google it. May be for another thread though.

Oh, one more thing about the demiurge. Horus ra being the ancient alien parasite. Horus ra representing the demiurge... another interesting physiological correlation with the psyche...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_DfHGJ92XHo/Ty8nie1LV8I/AAAAAAAADFA/CU0F6swicy8/s1600/eye_of_horus_thalamus_brain.jpg

The brow over the eye could represent a horn of the hippocampus instead of the corpus callosum...

Main points in this post were supposed to be: 1) certain parts of the limbic system and the brain stem correlating to the demiurge, chimera, and the eye of horus, 2) the cerebellum and the tree of knowledge, 3) the kundalini and the chrism, and 4) the bridal chamber.

[Jeffrey]

Here's some excerpts from a good article from the Gnosis website. I think that Pronoia, Epinoia, Sophia, Eve of Life, Magdalene ... they may all be aspects of each other, essentially representing the same principles.

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Like many of the greatest Gnostic teachers, Valentinus claimed to have been instructed by a direct disciple of one of Jesus' apostles, an "apostolic man" by the name of Theodas. Tertullian also stated that Valentinus was personally acquainted with Origen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen)[9eagle9 I thought of you when I read this, see also Origenes (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Origen3.jpg)], and one may speculate with some justification that his influence on this orthodox church father was considerable.

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The often-debated cosmogony of Valentinus might be most profitably understood as being based on a single existential recognition, which might be summarized thus: Something is wrong. Somewhere, somehow, the fabric of being at the existential level of human functioning has lost its integrity. We live in a system which is lacking in essential integrity, and thus is defective. So-called orthodox Christians as well as Jews recognize that there is a certain "wrongness" in human existence, but they account for it chiefly in terms of the effects of human sin, original or other.

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Valentinus, in opposition to this guilt-ridden view of life, held that the above-noted defect is not the result of our wrongdoing, but is inherent in the system of existence wherein we live and move and have our being. Moreover, by postulating that creation itself is lacking in integrity, Valentinus not only removes the weight of personal and collective guilt from our shoulders but also points to the redemptive potential resident in the soul of every human being.

Humans live in an absurd world that can be rendered meaningful only by Gnosis, or self-knowledge. When referring to the myth of the creation of the world by a god, Valentinus shifts the blame for the condition of cosmic defect from humanity to creative divinity. That God the creator could be at fault in anything is of course tantamount to blasphemy in the eyes of the orthodox. What we need to recognize, however, is that Valentinus does not view the creator with the worshipful eyes of the Judeo-Christian believer, but rather sees the creator - along with other divinities - as a mythologem. Much evidence could be adduced to demonstrate this, but one must suffice here, taken from the Gospel of Philip:




God created man and man created God. So is it in the world. Men make gods and they worship their creations. If would be fitting for the gods to worship men. (Logion 85: 1-4)

The present writer holds that Valentinian (as well as all other) Gnosticism can be understood in psychological terms, so that the religious mythologems treated by the Gnostics are taken to symbolize psychological conditions and intra-psychic powers of the mind.* Taking this approach we might conclude that what Valentinus tells us is that because our minds have lost their self-knowledge, we live in a self-created world that is lacking in integrity. The word kosmos used by Gnostics does not mean "world," but rather "system," and thus can be perfectly well applied to the systematization of reality created by the human ego. We need not worry overmuch about whether Valentinus insults Jehovah by calling him a demiurge. What matters is that we act as our own psychic demiurges by first creating and the inhabiting a flawed kosmos created in the image and likeness of our own flaws.

The proposition that the human mind lives in a largely self-created world of illusion from whence only the enlightenment of a kind of Gnosis can rescue it finds powerful analogues in the two great religions of the East, i.e., Hinduism and Buddhism. The following statement from the Upanishads could easily have been written by Valentinus or another Gnostic: "This (world) is God's Maya, through which he deceives himself." According to the teachings of Buddha, the world of apparent reality consists of ignorance, impermanence, and the lack of authentic selfhood. Valentinus is in very good company indeed when he establishes the proposition of the wrong system of false reality that can be set aright by the human spirit.

This brings us to the second part of what some scholars have called the "pneumatic equation" of Valentinus. After accepting the proposition of the flawed system, the mind needs to recognize a second and complementary truth. Irenaeus in his work against heresies quotes Valentinus concerning this:




Perfect redemption is the cognition itself of the ineffable greatness: for since through ignorance came about the defect . . . the whole system springing from ignorance is dissolved in Gnosis. Therefore Gnosis is the redemption of the inner man; and it is not of the body, for the body is corruptible; nor is it psychical, for even the soul is a product of the defect and it is a lodging to the spirit: pneumatic (spiritual) therefore also must be redemption itself. Through Gnosis, then, is redeemed the inner, spiritual man: so that to us suffices the Gnosis of universal being: and this is the true redemption. (Adv. Haer. I. 21,4)

The ignorance of the agencies that create the false system is thus undone and rectified by the spiritual Gnosis of the human being. The defect can be removed from being by Gnosis. There is no need whatsoever for guilt, for repentance from so-called sin, neither is there a need for a blind belief in a vicarious salvation by way of the death of Jesus. We don't need to be saved; we need to be transformed by Gnosis. The wrong-headedness, perversity, obtuseness, and malignancy of the existential condition of humanity can be changed into a glorious image of the fullness of being. This is done not by guilt, shame, and an eternal saviour but by the activation of the redemptive potential of self-knowledge. Spiritual self-knowledge thus becomes the inverse equivalent of the ignorance of the unredeemed ego. The elaborate mythic structures of cosmogonic and redemptive content bequeathed to us by Valentinus are but the poetic-scriptural expressions of this grand proposition, which has a direct relevance to the existential condition of the human psyche in all ages and in all cultures.

It would be erroneous to deduce from the foregoing that Valentinus negated or even diminished the importance of Jesus in his teachings. The great devotion and reverence shown for Jesus by Valentinus is amply manifest with sublime poetic beauty in the Gospel of Truth, which in its original form was in fact authored by Valentinus himself. According to Valentinus, Jesus is indeed Saviour, but the term needs to be understood in the meaning of the original Greek word, used by orthodox and Gnostic Christian alike. This word is soter, meaning healer, or bestower of health. From this is derived the word today translated as salvation, i.e., soteria, which originally meant healthiness, deliverance from imperfection, becoming whole, and preserving one's wholeness. What then is the role of the soter of spiritual maker of wholeness, if he clearly has no need to save humankind from either original or personal sin? What is the state or condition of newly found spiritual health bestowed or facilitated by such a healer-saviour?

The Gnostic contention is that both the world and humanity are sick. The sickness of the world and its equivalent human illness both have one common root: ignorance. We ignore the authentic values of life and substitute unauthentic ones for them. The unauthentic values are for the most part either physical or of the mind. We believe that we need things (such as money, symbols of power and prestige, physical pleasures) in order to be happy or whole. Similarly we fall in love with the ideas and abstractions of our minds. (The rigidities and the hardness of our lives are always due to our excessive attachment to abstract concepts and precepts.) The sickness of materialism was called hyleticism (worship of matter) by the Gnostics, while the sickness of abstract intellectualism and moralizing was known as psychism (worship of the mind-emotional soul). The true role of the facilitators of wholeness in this world, among whom Jesus occupied the place of honor, is that they can exorcise these sicknesses by bringing knowledge of the pneuma (spirit) to the soul and mind.

What is this pneuma, this spirit, which alone brings Gnosis and healing to the sickness of human nature? We cannot truly say what it is, but we can indicate what it does. It has been said that the spirit bloweth where it listeth. It brings flexibility, existential courage of life. By way of the healing agency of pneuma, the soul ceases to be fascinated and confined by things and ideas and thus it can address itself to life. The obsession of the human psyche with the importance of the material world and/or of the abstract intellectual and moral world is the sickness from which the great saviours of humanity redeem us. The obsessive state of material and mental attachments is thus replaced by spiritual freedom; the unauthentic values of the former are made to give way to the authentic ones brought by the spirit.

The methods advocated by Valentinus for the facilitating of a true spiritual Gnosis are not confined to philosophical doctrines and poetic mythologems. The Valentinian system was above all a system of sacrament. The Gospel of Philip mentions five of the seven historical sacraments (or rather their original Gnostic forms) explicitly and mentions the two remaining ones by implication.

In addition to baptism, anointing, eucharist, the initiation of priests and the rites of the dying, the Valentinian Gnosis mentions prominently two great and mysterious sacraments called "redemption" (apolytrosis) and "bridal chamber" respectively. While many of the formulae for these rites have been lost, their essential meanings can still be discovered by perusing the various accounts given by the church fathers and the references contained in the Gnostic scriptures.

The bridal chamber, or pneumatic union, is by far the most frequently alluded to of the greater sacraments. The Gospel of Philip makes constant references to it and statements concerning it are scattered in a large number of the Gnostic scriptures. Irenaeus associates this sacrament primarily with the followers of Valentinus, but the theoretical foundations serving as its psychological rationale are present in the corpus of Gnostic writings generally. Thus the Gospel According to Thomas, which is generally considered to be relatively free of Valentinian influences, presents us with what might be considered the clearest formulation of the theoretical foundation of the bridal chamber in its 22nd Logion:




When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner and the above as the below, and when you make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female not be female . . . then shall you enter the kingdom.

The psychological basis upon which the bridal chamber ritual is founded is fairly easily understood. The Gnosis considers the human being as divided and fragmented within itself. The divisions have numerous aspects: We are involved in what modern psychology would call an Ego-Self dichotomy, in an Anima-Animus dichotomy, in a body-mind dichotomy, in a subjective-objective dichotomy, and many others. All of these divisions require mending, or healing. Even as the Pleroma, or divine plenum, is characterized by wholeness, so the human being must once again become whole and thereby acquire the qualifications to reenter the Pleroma. Contemporary, especially Jungian depth psychology envisions such a pneumatic union as the ultimate objective of what it calls the individuation process. Unlike Jungian psychologists who can offer only the practice of analysis as an instrumentality of the process of reunification, Valentinus was apparently inspired to document and ritually dramatize this union in the great sacrament of the bridal chamber. The Sophia myth serves in many ways as the mythological support of this sacrament. The myth implies that the creation of the imperfect world and the confinement of the soul within it originated through the disruption of the original spiritual unity of the Pleroma, so that the return of the soul into the loving embrace of her bridegroom, as indicated by the return of Sophia into the arms of Jesus, then represents the healing of this disruption and restoration of wholeness.

Source: http://gnosis.org/valentinus.htm

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These are only excerpts. The full article can be found in the link.

*Remember that the psyche has a correlating physiology (according to Jung, and I agree with this theory). This is what I'm interested in deciphering currently as illustrated by my previous posts. Again, provisional and ongoing.




"The psyche…as a medium participates in both Spirit and Matter. I am convinced that it (the psyche) is partly of a material nature. The archetypes, for example, are Ideas (in the Platonic sense) on the one hand, and yet are directly connected with physiological processes on the other; and in cases of synchronicity they are arrangers of physical circumstances, so that they can also be regarded as a characteristic of Matter (as the feature which imbues it with meaning)." -Carl Jung

Thanks,

Vivek :)

PS - It's interesting that "kosmos" is translated to mean "world" when it really means "system". So, I'm going to re-read "On the Origin of the World" with that in mind. Reminds me of the matrix (not the movie necessarily, but the whole idea of the illusion) ... The system ... hmmm.

[chocolate]

I found the videos- Jacobovici's Talpiot Tomb- interesting as a general information only. I did not find them neither special nor original. Full of assumptions, and translations... with which I do not agree.
All the letters and names- as we can see- were translated based on some of the standard presumptions of what they might mean. JHVH are hebrew letters representing the sacred name of GOD. NOT JESUS as we were led to believe. It doesn't matter that Christ could be associated with GOD, JHVH does not equal JESUS.
The fish for me was there to represent the age of pisces.
The information from the film, although interesting, was inconclusive and misleading for me.
I once saw a feature film on the same subject, almost completely going over the same issues and ideas. I guess we all need to know that Jesus existed, but I am not interested in finding his tomb, or remains. Whatever Jesus-CHRIST was / is, is not in the remains, so digging for them doesn't inspire me all that much.
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I happened to come across a book that totally shatters the idea of religion. The book is "written" by R.M. Sky, the same author of the Terra Papers. It describes the origins of almost everything- grammar, names, ideas, gods, words, that we relate today with religion - system - matrix - feminine vs masculine- etc. Unfortunately it is in my language and in paper format only, so I can't share it with anyone that is not present physically to read, and I am neither patient nor I have time to translate it, but looking at the religious system and world we live in currently, I found this book invaluable. It is quite complex, so I cannot summarize everything properly like it should be for the person to be able to get into the logic of it. May be after a few months I will try.

[ROMANWKT]

When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner and the above as the below, and when you make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female not be female . . . then shall you enter the kingdom.

The bridal chambers is in the brain, when we unite two into one, that your left masculine hemisphere outer, and your right feminine hemisphere inner, that's the Chemical wedding, the Solomans temple, the Philosophers stone, the marriage opens the third eye, and unites the above with below.

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[Jeffrey]

Here's some excerpts from a good article from the Gnosis website. I think that Pronoia, Epinoia, Sophia, Eve of Life, Magdalene ... they may all be aspects of each other, essentially representing the same principles.

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This brings us to the second part of what some scholars have called the "pneumatic equation" of Valentinus. After accepting the proposition of the flawed system, the mind needs to recognize a second and complementary truth. Irenaeus in his work against heresies quotes Valentinus concerning this:




Perfect redemption is the cognition itself of the ineffable greatness: for since through ignorance came about the defect . . . the whole system springing from ignorance is dissolved in Gnosis. Therefore Gnosis is the redemption of the inner man; and it is not of the body, for the body is corruptible; nor is it psychical, for even the soul is a product of the defect and it is a lodging to the spirit: pneumatic (spiritual) therefore also must be redemption itself. Through Gnosis, then, is redeemed the inner, spiritual man: so that to us suffices the Gnosis of universal being: and this is the true redemption. (Adv. Haer. I. 21,4)

The ignorance of the agencies that create the false system is thus undone and rectified by the spiritual Gnosis of the human being. The defect can be removed from being by Gnosis. There is no need whatsoever for guilt, for repentance from so-called sin, neither is there a need for a blind belief in a vicarious salvation by way of the death of Jesus. We don't need to be saved; we need to be transformed by Gnosis.

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The true role of the facilitators of wholeness in this world, among whom Jesus occupied the place of honor, is that they can exorcise these sicknesses by bringing knowledge of the pneuma (spirit) to the soul and mind.

What is this pneuma, this spirit, which alone brings Gnosis and healing to the sickness of human nature? We cannot truly say what it is, but we can indicate what it does. It has been said that the spirit bloweth where it listeth. It brings flexibility, existential courage of life. By way of the healing agency of pneuma, the soul ceases to be fascinated and confined by things and ideas and thus it can address itself to life. The obsession of the human psyche with the importance of the material world and/or of the abstract intellectual and moral world is the sickness from which the great saviours of humanity redeem us. The obsessive state of material and mental attachments is thus replaced by spiritual freedom; the unauthentic values of the former are made to give way to the authentic ones brought by the spirit.

The methods advocated by Valentinus for the facilitating of a true spiritual Gnosis are not confined to philosophical doctrines and poetic mythologems. The Valentinian system was above all a system of sacrament. The Gospel of Philip mentions five of the seven historical sacraments (or rather their original Gnostic forms) explicitly and mentions the two remaining ones by implication.

In addition to baptism, anointing, eucharist, the initiation of priests and the rites of the dying, the Valentinian Gnosis mentions prominently two great and mysterious sacraments called "redemption" (apolytrosis) and "bridal chamber" respectively. While many of the formulae for these rites have been lost, their essential meanings can still be discovered by perusing the various accounts given by the church fathers and the references contained in the Gnostic scriptures.

The bridal chamber, or pneumatic union, is by far the most frequently alluded to of the greater sacraments. The Gospel of Philip makes constant references to it and statements concerning it are scattered in a large number of the Gnostic scriptures.

Source: http://gnosis.org/valentinus.htm

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These are only excerpts. The full article can be found in the link.

*Remember that the psyche has a correlating physiology (according to Jung, and I agree with this theory) [...]




"The psyche…as a medium participates in both Spirit and Matter. I am convinced that it (the psyche) is partly of a material nature. The archetypes, for example, are Ideas (in the Platonic sense) on the one hand, and yet are directly connected with physiological processes on the other; and in cases of synchronicity they are arrangers of physical circumstances, so that they can also be regarded as a characteristic of Matter (as the feature which imbues it with meaning)." -Carl Jung

Okay, about the pneuma. Marin, about the oils. I'm not as familiar with all of the effects of the actual oils on the body. They could be symbolic of special fluids in the body that correspond to the physiological transformations/processes that take place with all the physical and spiritual aspects of achieving gnosis.

Excerpts from Descartes and the Pineal Gland:



The first description of the pineal gland and the first speculations about its functions are to be found in the voluminous writings of Galen (ca. 130-ca. 210 AD), the Greek medical doctor and philosopher who spent the greatest part of his life in Rome and whose system dominated medical thinking until the seventeenth century.

Galen discussed the pineal gland in the eighth book of his anatomical work On the usefulness of the parts of the body. He explained that it owes its name (Greek: kônarion, Latin: glandula pinealis) to its resemblance in shape and size to the nuts found in the cones of the stone pine (Greek: kônos, Latin: pinus pinea). He called it a gland because of its appearance and said that it has the same function as all other glands of the body, namely to serve as a support for blood vessels.

In order to understand the rest of Galen's exposition, the following two points should be kept in mind. First, his terminology was different from ours. He regarded the lateral ventricles of the brain as one paired ventricle and called it the anterior ventricle. He accordingly called the third ventricle the middle ventricle, and the fourth the posterior one. Second, he thought that these ventricles were filled with “psychic pneuma,” a fine, volatile, airy or vaporous substance which he described as “the first instrument of the soul.” (See Rocca 2003 for a detailed description of Galen's views about the anatomy and physiology of the brain.)

Galen went to great lengths to refute a view that was apparently circulating in his time (but whose originators or protagonists he did not mention) according to which the pineal gland regulates the flow of psychic pneuma in the canal between the middle and posterior ventricles of the brain, just as the pylorus regulates the passage of food from the esophagus to the stomach. Galen rejected this view because, first, the pineal gland is attached to the outside of the brain and, second, it cannot move on its own. He argued that the “worm-like appendage” [epiphysis or apophysis] of the cerebellum (nowadays known as the vermis superior cerebelli) is much better qualified to play this role (Kühn 1822, pp. 674-683; May 1968, vol. 1, pp. 418-423).

So Galen argued that the vermis superior in the cerebellum acted as a gate that controlled the flow of the pneuma. I wrote earlier that Descartes was mistaking the pineal gland for the vermis. Well, he really did mean the pineal gland. Galen (and some others) argued it was the vermis of the cerebellum that regulated the flow of the pneuma.

Some ideas ... the superior medullary velum --->




The superior medullary velum (anterior medullary velum, valve of Vieussens) is a thin, transparent lamina of white matter, which stretches between the superior cerebellar peduncles; on the dorsal surface of its lower half the folia and lingula are prolonged.

It forms, together with the superior cerebellar peduncle, the roof of the upper part of the fourth ventricle; it is narrow above, where it passes beneath the facial colliculi, and broader below, where it is continuous with the white substance of the superior vermis.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_medullary_velum

I'm going to have to research more, but let me just tell you what I'm thinking right off the bat. I'm thinking the oil (what is also the oil of the anointed one), or the unguent, could be cerebrospinal fluid or something like that. The medullary velum is a valve that works in concert with the vermis and it can be opened (?). This allows the unguent (in the forth ventricle) to flow into a canal and up into something (the bridal chamber?). These are questions as much as they are statements.

This could be achieved by a special form of breathing. Breathing is mostly involuntary. When it is voluntary, it's controlled by the cerebellum from what I've read. The breath contains the prana too, I think that's worth mentioning.

The pineal gland is in direct contact with cerebrospinal fluid as I understand it. I'm just using CSF as an example (could be melatonin or something else). Apparently CSF also has special properties according to Descartes ... anyways.

CSF is 99% water in it's pristine state. Thinking of the metaphysical aspects of water (modwiz, thinking of you). I wonder if there's a correlation with baptism and CSF. CSF cleanses the brain (see: NEW BRAIN CLEANING SYSTEM DISCOVERED (http://www.americandailyherald.com/us-news/health/item/new-brain-cleaning-system-discovered)). Baptism metaphors?

From the Gospel of Philip:



It is from water and fire that the soul and the spirit came into being. It is from water and fire and light that the son of the bridal chamber (came into being). The fire is the chrism, the light is the fire.

Does the water represent the CSF? And the fire is the kundalini energy?

It'll take me a while to mull it all over and read more on it. Just tossing it out there.

[Freed Fox]

All the letters and names- as we can see- were translated based on some of the standard presumptions of what they might mean. JHVH are hebrew letters representing the sacred name of GOD. NOT JESUS as we were led to believe.

Just a small note, but I've never heard of anyone using those letters to represent Jesus. I've known them to be associated with the 'incommunicable' name of 'God' (in this case, Jehovah or Yahweh). Of course there are many theories on this, including those which state that Jehovah and Yahweh were separate entities, both considered to be gods of sorts.

[Jeffrey]

Okay ... this is incredible. Seriously.

The Perates were a Gnostic sect that existed in the 2nd century ACE. They seemed to be big on metaphors also, but especially metaphors that alluded to the physiology of the body. Here's more on them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perates

The following excerpts were plucked from the book entitled, Ante-Nicene Fathers.

From Wikipedia:




The Ante-Nicene Fathers, subtitled "The Writings of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325", is a collection of books in 10 volumes (one volume is indexes) containing English translations of the majority of Early Christian writings. The period covers the beginning of Christianity until before the promulgation of the Nicene Creed at the First Council of Nicaea. The translations are very faithful, but sometimes rather old-fashioned.

Remember when your reading the excerpts, as above so below. Okay, here are some excerpts from a commentary on the doctrine of the Perates.




No one, then, he says, can be saved or return (into heaven) without the Son, and the Son is the Serpent. For as he brought down from above the paternal marks, so again he carries up from thence those marks roused from a dormant condition and rendered paternal characteristics, substantial ones from the unsubstantial Being, transferring them hither from thence.

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In this manner, he says, is the portrayed, perfect, and consubstantial genus drawn again from the world by the Serpent; nor does he (attract) anything else, as it has been sent down by him. For a proof of this, they adduce the anatomy of the brain, assimilating, from the fact of its immobility, the brain itself to the Father, and the cerebellum to the Son, because of its being moved and being of the form of (the head of) a serpent. And they allege that this (cerebellum), by an ineffable and inscrutable process, attracts through the pineal gland the spiritual and life-giving substance emanating from the vaulted chamber (in which the brain is embedded). And on receiving this, the cerebellum in an ineffable manner imparts the ideas, just as the Son does, to matter; or, in other words, the seeds and the genera of the things produced according to the flesh flow along into the spinal marrow.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers.

Again, I'm thinking about the kundalini, the cerebellum, the thalamus/bridal-chamber, CSF, and the archcontic tree described in the Nag Hammadi. The Perates seem to have pieced it together slightly differently. This is exciting.

Alright, this next excerpt is from the chapter entitled, The Hebdomadarii; System of the Arithmeticians; Pressed Into the Service of Heresy; Instances of, in Simon and Valentinus; The Nature of the Universe Deductible From the Physiology of the Brain.

When I read that last part ... no words. I'm just on the edge of my seat here.




Some indeed, then, attempt likewise to form the hebdomads from the medical (art), being astonished at the dissection of the brain, asserting that the substance of the universe and the power of procreation and the Godhead could be ascertained from the arrangement of the brain.


I'll be busy reading for awhile.

Here's a link to the book: http://books.google.com/books?id=HjE8AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

There are free PDFs available too.

[Jayke]

Again, I'm thinking about the kundalini, the cerebellum, the thalamus/bridal-chamber, CSF, and the archcontic tree described in the Nag Hammadi. The Perates seem to have pieced it together slightly differently. This is exciting.

Alright, this next excerpt is from the chapter entitled, The Hebdomadarii; System of the Arithmeticians; Pressed Into the Service of Heresy; Instances of, in Simon and Valentinus; The Nature of the Universe Deductible From the Physiology of the Brain.

When I read that last part ... no words. I'm just on the edge of my seat here.




Some indeed, then, attempt likewise to form the hebdomads from the medical (art), being astonished at the dissection of the brain, asserting that the substance of the universe and the power of procreation and the Godhead could be ascertained from the arrangement of the brain.


I'll be busy reading for awhile.

Here's a link to the book: http://books.google.com/books?id=HjE8AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

There are free PDFs available too.

Go Vivek, You're on a roll...:)

Many correlations between what you're saying and Taiost alchemical practices.

For example Taoists call the centre of the brain, the area that's home to the pineal, pituitary, thalamus and hypothalamus glands "the Crystal Palace", 'the throne of clear seeing', 'the gateway to heaven'. In Vajryana buddhism its believed that when attaining 'the clear light of bliss' during meditation, the mouth fills with a milk like secretion that drips into the throat from the pineal gland. which is responsible for DMT like mystical visions, feeling at oneness with the divine, its believed to rejuvenate body and mind, making joints more supple, teeth to regrow etc its where the idea of a fountain of youth came from.

More at...

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=TheCrystalPalace