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Ria
2nd August 2013, 05:37
Completely Nutty, but SERIOUS, police, pressure cookers

New York woman visited by police after researching pressure cookers online

Long Island resident said her web search history and 'trying to learn how to cook lentils' prompted a visit from authorities but police say search was prompted by tipoff

Adam Gabbatt in New York

The Guardian, Thursday 1 August 2013 21.59 BST

"What the hell is quinoa?" police asked when Catalano's husband told them what pressure cookers were used for in their household
A New York woman says her family's interest in the purchase of pressure cookers and backpacks led to a home visit by six police investigators demanding information about her job, her husband's ancestry and the preparation of quinoa.

Michele Catalano, who lives in Long Island, New York, said her web searches for pressure cookers, her husband's hunt for backpacks and her "news junkie" son's craving for information on the Boston bombings had combined somewhere in the internet ether to create a "perfect storm of terrorism profiling".

Members of what she described as a "joint terrorism task force" descended on Catalano's home on Wednesday.

Catalano was at work, but her husband was sitting in the living room as the police arrived. She retold the experience in a post on Medium.com on Thursday. She attributed the raid largely to her hunt for a pressure cooker, an item used devastatingly by the two Tsarnaev brothers in Boston, but also used by millions across the country to prepare vegetables while retaining most of their nutrients.

The story later took on a different complexion when police finally explained that the investigation was prompted by searches a family member had made for pressure cooker bombs and backpacks made at his former workplace. The former employer, believing the searches to be suspicious, alerted police. Catalano said the family member was her husband.

In her first post, Catalano, a writer for indie music and politics magazine Death and Taxes wrote:

What happened was this: At about 9:00 am, my husband, who happened to be home yesterday, was sitting in the living room with our two dogs when he heard a couple of cars pull up outside. He looked out the window and saw three black SUVs in front of our house; two at the curb in front and one pulled up behind my husband's Jeep in the driveway, as if to block him from leaving.

Six gentleman in casual clothes emerged from the vehicles and spread out as they walked toward the house, two toward the backyard on one side, two on the other side, two toward the front door.

A million things went through my husband's head. None of which were right. He walked outside and the men greeted him by flashing badges. He could see they all had guns holstered in their waistbands.

"Are you [name redacted]?" one asked while glancing at a clipboard. He affirmed that was indeed him, and was asked if they could come in. Sure, he said.

They asked if they could search the house, though it turned out to be just a cursory search. They walked around the living room, studied the books on the shelf (nope, no bomb making books, no Anarchist Cookbook), looked at all our pictures, glanced into our bedroom, pet our dogs. They asked if they could go in my son's bedroom but when my husband said my son was sleeping in there, they let it be.

At this point, Catalano said, the police were "peppering my husband with questions".

"Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked."

It was at this point that the conversation took a delightfully culinary turn, with quinoa making an unlikely appearance in the police inquiries:

Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked.

The joint terrorism task force did not press Catalano's husband on the dilemma facing liberals over whether quinoa consumption is ethically sound – many Bolivians can no longer afford their staple food now everyone in Brooklyn is eating it.

"By this point they had realised they were not dealing with terrorists," Catalano said.

Still, she was left worried by the visit, which she attributes to her family's internet history.

I felt a sense of creeping dread take over. What else had I looked up? What kind of searches did I do that alone seemed innocent enough but put together could make someone suspicious? Were they judging me because my house was a mess (Oh my god, the joint terrorism task force was in my house and there were dirty dishes in my sink!). Mostly I felt a great sense of anxiety. This is where we are at. Where you have no expectation of privacy. Where trying to learn how to cook some lentils could possibly land you on a watch list. Where you have to watch every little thing you do because someone else is watching every little thing you do.

All I know is if I'm going to buy a pressure cooker in the near future, I'm not doing it online.

I'm scared. And not of the right things.

Late on Thursday, Suffolk County police confirmed its officers had gone to the house, but explained that it was as the result of a tipoff and was not due to monitoring of home internet searches.

In a statement, the office of the county's police commissioner said:

Suffolk County criminal intelligence detectives received a tip from a Bay Shore-based computer company regarding suspicious computer searches conducted by a recently released employee. The former employee's computer searches took place on this employee's workplace computer. On that computer, the employee searched the terms 'pressure cooker bombs' and 'backpacks'.

After the visit the incident was "determined to be non-criminal in nature", the statement said.

Earlier on Thursday, the FBI told the Guardian that Catalano was visited by the Nassau County police department working in conjunction with Suffolk County police department. "From our understanding, both of those counties are involved," said FBI spokeswoman Kelly Langmesser. She said Suffolk County initiated the action and that Nassau County became involved, but would not elaborate on what that meant.

The Nassau County police department said Catalano "was not visited by the Nassau police department" and denied involvement in the situation.

In a new post on her Tumblr on Thursday, Catalano said: "We found out through the Suffolk police department that the searches involved also things my husband looked up at his old job. We were not made aware of this at the time of questioning and were led to believe it was solely from searches from within our house."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ressure-cooker

Conchis
2nd August 2013, 09:26
Hmmmm.....so the "tip" came from a local internet service provider? I'm absolutely positive that local service providers have joined in the hunt for terrorists (insert sarcastic expression here). I'm especially convinced since the police claim that all of the searches came from a work computer, but the family says that it was the work of each of them being interested in a different aspect that drew attention. Something isn't adding up....

northstar
2nd August 2013, 13:00
Ahh, the sweet stench of state enforced fascism in the morning!

I did a quick web search on Michelle Catalano. She is a smart, articulate woman. She writes for an alternative politics magazine and she has written for other prominent magazines. In other words, she is a perfect candidate for fascist harassment. If you look into history, fascist states ALWAYS target the writers first.

OK folks, I think this incident (and dozens of others) answers the debate of whether or not US citizens are living in a fascist state. And I'm not trying to beat up on the USA either. This trend is increasingly obvious in other Westernized "First World" countries also.

My question is: what are your specific legal rights when these sorts of gross violations happen? (and friends, this type of thing will continue to happen, and it will increase in frequency)

One of the things that sticks out for me in this story is that the father willingly let the law enforcement officers into his home and he willingly spoke to them!! I am definitely NOT an expert on US law but if I was a US citizen I would quickly become one. Did the father ask for a warrant? Did the father invoke ANY of his constitutional rights??

I wish these questions were not necessary but at this point all US citizens need to obtain a "toolkit" of knowledge so they can protect themselves against fascist tyrrany from their own elected corporate controlled governments.

I know that Mark Passio is a fierce advocate for the vocal statement of rights when wrongly detained by police. A few months ago he and his wife were walking in Philadelphia and they were wrongly arrested and handcuffed in public by federal park police. There is an awesome video of Passio, cuffed and on the ground, hollering his guts out about his constitutional rights.
http://youtu.be/x0vS8VTZ4Sw
The police let him go and he later received a letter apologizing for his wrongful detainment by the police. BUT the important point here is that Passio knows his rights as an American citizen and he is not shy about stating them.

American people:

Do you know your legal rights?
When the men in black SUVs show up at your doorstep because your teenage son did the "wrong" type of web search WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THEM?
Do you know what your legal and constitutional rights are?
Do you know what "they" are allowed to do and not allowed to do?
Are you mentally and emotionally prepared to stand up for your rights ans speak truth to power when the men in the black SUVs knock at your door?
Do you know that most suspects are in jail because they incriminate themselves?
Are you aware that the for-profit prison system in your country needs a constant stream of warm bodies to allow private investors to make more millions?
If you are even slightly concerned about what happened to this law abiding family are you prepared to raise your concerns loudly and publicly by speaking to your elected representatives?

Octavusprime
2nd August 2013, 18:46
Let's suppose the Boston bombing was a false flag. Would choosing a pressure cooker bomb give TPTB a way of targeting preppers or other self sufficient groups of people? Who owns pressure cookers? Those that can their own food. Many people that can their own food distrust the current global situation and are preparing for the **** storm that may be coming.

Just food for thought.

toad
4th August 2013, 04:19
Hmmmm.....so the "tip" came from a local internet service provider? I'm absolutely positive that local service providers have joined in the hunt for terrorists (insert sarcastic expression here). I'm especially convinced since the police claim that all of the searches came from a work computer, but the family says that it was the work of each of them being interested in a different aspect that drew attention. Something isn't adding up....


The tip came from a former employee that thought the searches were suspicious.


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They walked around the living room, studied the books on the shelf (nope, no bomb making books, no Anarchist Cookbook), looked at all our pictures, glanced into our bedroom, pet our dogs.

May be the most shocking aspect of that entire story.

Vitalux
4th August 2013, 04:29
next thing ....it will be to be wary of Asian tourist with cameras :confused:

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