Anticipating Emerging WMD and Global Financial Threats (timeline 2013 - 2046)

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bill Ryan]

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Because not everyone can read a .pptx (I could not without a complicated workaround!), here's an unaltered .ppt version (Office 2004) and also a PDF -- though note Todd's comment above that one of the last slides has an audio embedded.

http://projectavalon.net/333plan.ppt

http://projectavalon.net/333plan.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/333plan.pdf




Consider this your "two-minute warning", the calm before the storm...

The presentation is very well worth studying carefully: there's a lot of thought-provoking, solid information there.

On page 2, Todd suggests that the 3-month precursor to the 'storm' -- a 3-year period which really might be very difficult for everyone -- might start very soon.

[Billy]

Does anything change with change. The quote at the end.

It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success nor more dangerous to handle
than to initiate a NEW ORDER of things.
For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the OLD ORDER, And only lukewarm defenders in all those who profit by the NEW ORDER.

Nicolo Machiavelli.

I understand as Bill has also expressed that " IT ALL HAS TO COME DOWN" And a new system implemented. But putting new wine into old skins contaminates the product. Humanity will still be required to act as slaves for the system. Is there any hope.

Bad news all round. give us some good news Todd. When will humanity be released from the bondage of the controllers. When will the suppressed energy
be available. Why does humanity have to pay to have a joyful life on planet earth.

peace

Edit: The Audio did not play for me






Edit from Bill: Thx for the feedback. fixed now.

[ThePythonicCow]

Because not everyone can read a .pptx (I could not without a complicated workaround!), here's an unaltered .ppt version (Office 2004) and also a PDF -- though note Todd's comment above that one of the last slides has an audio embedded.



Edit: The Audio did not play for me
It doesn't play for me either (running OpenOffice on Linux).






Edit from Bill: fixed now.

[ThePythonicCow]

When will humanity be released from the bondage of the controllers. When will the suppressed energy
be available. Why does humanity have to pay to have a joyful life on planet earth.
I suspect that would take a more drastic catastrophe. The same bastards seem to have been running, and ruining, human civilization at least since the days of Babylon. I suspect it would take something really serious to shake them loose.

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Todd has a different take on the possibilities of a better outcome. See his posts http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60493-Zero-hour-The-day-the-dollar-stood-still&p=693483#post693483 and http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60531-Escalation-in-the-Syrian-Conflict-Inevitable&p=693813#post693813.

[Bill Ryan]

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I fixed the .ppt file -- the audio file had dropped out in the conversion from .pptx. It's all there now.

For those reading the PDF, the audio on slide 29 was this one: (5 mins, well-worth listening to as a summary of what this insider economist states is 'The Plan')

http://projectavalon.net/Insider_Economist_V_describing_the_Plan_23_March_2013.mp3

[Hip Hipnotist]

This presentation does a good job of reinforcing what most ( if not all ) here realize could/may/will happen if/when it does.

The 'Normalcy Bias' page explains why it will be so easy to implement ( if it is intentional ) if/when it does.

But life goes on -- for now. ( Que the scary music! ) ;)

[Billy]

The "good news" constitutes the 3 decade period of reconstruction that follows the 3 year period that is quickly approaching. Keep an eye on the debt ceiling as a possible 'trigger date'. As it stands now, the debt ceiling will be reached (again...) sometime in November. Other possible trigger dates are the dates following the Federal Reserve FOMC meetings - specifically, trigger dates of September 19, October 31, and December 19. If you're not a big fan of 'calendar watching', then keep a VERY close eye on the Asian markets. As soon as they begin to give up the ghost, pull ALL funds out of your accounts. If possible, pay bills in advance - at least a month in advance - while stockpiling supplies needed to survive.

I may be one off the lucky ones. After loosing everything after 2008 and my eviction from my home I now am off the grid, I have no electric or Gas bills coming in. No council tax to pay. A very small rent per year to pay for the ground where my caravan is. Solar panels and batteries for power. No money in the bank. ( they closed my account) :p Debts almost paid. And the most wonderful views and sunsets.

My advice is get out off the system. It is an illusion that you have to be part of it.

Peace

[Fred Steeves]

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I fixed the .ppt file -- the audio file had dropped out in the conversion from .pptx. It's all there now.

For those reading the PDF, the audio on slide 29 was this one: (5 mins, well-worth listening to as a summary of what this insider economist states is 'The Plan')

http://projectavalon.net/Insider_Economist_V_describing_the_Plan_23_March_2013.mp3

Just a small clarification on the 5 minute clip. Everything may well domino just as he says, and we're about as well prepared as possible for it. But, if the Asian and European markets were crashing like that, the U.S. futures market would almost surely far surpass the threshold for shutting down, and trading would not be permitted in the first place.

Like I said it's a minor detail, and wouldn't change anything, but Americans would not be watching the exchanges burn down before their very eyes Monday morning.

[gripreaper]

Well that's good, I get a three month warning to grab my bug out back and move to my secure location, then three years of hunkering down (I'm prepared for that) and three decades of reconstruction.(How will that look)

Suffice it to say, it's the three decades of reconstruction which is the biggest anomaly, whether mankind is prepared to step up to his power and recognize the cancer that has been eating this planet for thousands of years, and enter a new paradigm of consciousness and empathic resonance.

Pretty exciting to be on planet earth at this time! Small wonder this quadrant of the galaxy is so crowded, as this experiment has not been tried before. I don't even think there are any cheap seats left in the nose bleed section for this show!

Thanks Dennis Leahy for posting this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Bumping this thread to draw attention to two updates (4 and 5 August) posted by Todd on his opening post.

Copied here also:

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August 4 update (one possible scenario/potentiality):

My experiences suggest that a firm date on when extended bank holidays will begin has been locked in. Now the hard work begins, which is to determine exactly what that date is. No one on the inside has provided anyone within our network with a firm date. Until independent sources confirm the same date, one must take any chosen date with a grain of salt, as little more than food for thought.

There is little change from my last estimate - after the Oct 29-30th FOMC meeting, an unscheduled press conference with Bernanke announcing the tapering of asset purchases beginning in November will send the Tokyo stock market tumbling as early as 8 p.m. EST on Wednesday, October 30th:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131030T20&p0=263&msg=Market+Implosion+Countdown+Clock

In other words, we may not even have the weekend to prepare for the commencement of extended bank holidays, though this scenario is less likely than the one presented below. This particular countdown should be construed at a "no earlier than" date for when extended bank holidays could begin. In other words, gaming timelines is a thought experiment at this point, not prophecy.

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August 5 update (another possible scenario/potentiality):

Knowing the Federal Reserve, they don't want to look like the bad guy in all of this, so the most likely date for extended bank holidays to begin is some date in November following a government shutdown after Congress fails to approve a debt ceiling increase, at which point the government selectively defaults on some of its debt obligations. The Federal Reserve may begin tapering in November after an October 30 (or early November) unscheduled press conference announcement, though at an amount too low to trigger a SE Asian market crash ($15 billion/month or less), assuming there is such a level. This "one-two punch" scenario with the Fed taper followed by a government shutdown/default would send global financial markets into turmoil and destabilize SE Asian derivatives markets.

The recommendation is to briefly review Asian market activity every evening at 8 p.m. EST beginning October 30th, and at 7 p.m. beginning November 3rd due to daylight savings time, while keeping an eye on the date the U.S. government is slated to selectively default on its debt, with Congress taking the blame for the global market collapse instead of the Federal Reserve.

There are simply too many variables at play to know the date of a market collapse without access to reliable, independently validated insider testimony, which is hard to come by these days. Our network is awaiting a firm date from at least three reliable, independent sources, which is unlikely prior to the actual SE Asian market collapse. As of 10 p.m. EST on August 5th, one reliable insider has confirmed the specific date and scenario mentioned in this August 5th post; therefore, I will provide a countdown based upon the government running out of "extraordinary measures" to service the nation's debt on Friday, November 15th. The next date/time the Tokyo stock market would be open to respond to a U.S. government shutdown is 7 p.m. EST on Sunday, November 17th:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131117T19&p0=263&msg=SE+Asian+Market+Collapse+Begins

The following article also suggests a mid-November time frame for a government shutdown:
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2013/08/05/expect-budget-bedlam-through-the-winter-expert-suggests/ - summarized from http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/stan-collender/2757/budget-bedlam-fall

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzkYeSfgZQI&feature=youtu.be&t=38m31s - Kyle Bass Warns "There Is No Real Way Out"

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NOTE: This video does not take into account the impact of the $1+ quadrillion derivatives market on the global financial system. Derivatives will have an adverse amplifying effect on market instability as discount interest rates and interbank loan rates rise; thereby, truncating the timeline to a market collapse to the left.

[ThePythonicCow]

:bump:

Bumping this thread to draw attention to two updates (4 and 5 August) posted by Todd on his opening post.
Thanks for the update on the updates ... very helpful.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Bumping this thread to draw attention to two further updates (7 and 8 August) posted by Todd on his opening post.

Copied here also:

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Also note that the issue of Earth changes is not addressed in this post. For that topic, refer to http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60494-Magnetic-Pole-Shift-Discussion&p=693487#post693487, as there will be some interplay between geopolitical/economic realignment and Earth changes over the next four years.

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August 7 update (another possible scenario/potentiality):

Rather than have a hard reset of the global financial system, the goal posts could simply be moved, blocking 99% of people from participating in anything beyond normal deposits/debits via checking/savings accounts. "Rule by executive order" would have to replace a divided Congress if they are unable to vote for an increase in the debt ceiling in November. This would largely sidestep a government shutdown and extended bank holidays. Aside from blowing off Congress, this scenario would be the least disruptive of all possible scenarios. This scenario would place Obama at considerable risk above and beyond what he is already contending with today, as a significant shift within the U.S. power structure is never taken lightly by those who lose power.

Geopolitical instability will follow by early next year, to include an increasing likelihood of a WMD attack in D.C. My goal in this research project is to determine when tipping points are likely to occur from one phase of this process to another, using an analytical approach to determine the best way ahead strategy to minimize the likelihood of future WMD attack(s). Beyond that, I am simply an observer sharing insights as food for thought, recording events as they unfold in real time.

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August 8 update:

This doesn't involve another scenario...the last one above will probably stick, unfortunately. What I was pondering was how to motivate everyone to work together more effectively, rather than continuing the game of choosing sides: US vs. THEM. Until there is a lifting of the veils so that everyone can see the intent of those around them as clearly as the stars in the sky on a clear night in the mountains, humanity will continue along the path of choosing the lesser of two evils, the fallout from which is outlined in the scenarios above. Therefore, the solution is to desire the arrival of Superconsciousness through the continuous striving towards honesty and truthfulness of intent in all of one's affairs; thereby, making hidden agendas and the perpetuity of attachment via prejudice and preference in relationships and activities impossible.

Desiring Superconsciousness and Self-Knowledge is the only solution - begin implementing it today. The arrival of Superconsciousness on the planet will not transpire prior to 2017...I have no idea when this Divine manifestation will occur after that, but it is inevitable. Humanity is headed in this direction, but the next few years will appear otherwise.

www.word-foundation.org

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

From Todd, today:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=22318&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1376055459

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Redstar Kachina]

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[Redstar Kachina]

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[Spartacus]

Hi Todd,

I'm following your analysis with much interest.

You've mentioned on several occasions that you believe the SE Asian markets will be one of the first dominos to fall. Could you please elaborate on why you think SE Asian markets in particular are more vulnerable than other markets should the scenarios you describe begin to play out.

Edit in: By SE Asia, are you referring specifically to the ASEAN countries only, or are you also including Japan, China, HK, Korea and Taiwan?

Thanks

[Redstar Kachina]

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[we-R-one]

…interesting….Let’s connect the dots, AGAIN…. We’re supposed to believe that you, toddhathaway who’s
employed and under the jurisdiction of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA(a corporation), aka THE UNITED NATIONS,(who’s known for the creation and implementation of one world government policies via the well-known Agenda 21 aka Future Earth action plans)
and
who he himself is implementing an Agenda 21 program via the DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, known as the Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative(government funded) as vetted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60538-The-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative-and-its-connection-to-Agenda-21
and
who’s wife sits on the board of The International Fund for China’s Environment(don’t tempt me to vett this or the people running it), seen here: http://www.ifce.org/newpages/about.htm#Board, (another United Nations supported organization, notice the Council on Foreign Relations affiliation) and who rubs shoulders with a well know elitist by the name of Donald Rumsfeld former Secretary of State, Bush appointee, who’s known for his contribution in the approval of Aspartame, a known carcinogen and who’s “accomplishments” have caused humanitarian suffering worldwide”, http://www.infowars.com/donald-rumsfeld-confronted-on-aspartame-and-iraq-war/

And you want us to believe that you have humanity’s best interest in mind by giving us a warning on an open forum with your real name?? And we’re supposed to believe that your employer, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, aka THE UNITED NATIONS, doesn’t know what you’re doing or better yet, the fact that you’re aiding “the people” by divulging this information , which in the mind of the “one world government”, your employer, considers openly to be “the enemy”?

Forgive me for the inability to refrain my laughter and breaking my promise of no longer posting on Avalon….. oh but wait, I forgot! This kind gesture is being funded by a GI bill, which in essence is being paid by U.S. tax dollars!! LMAO, I find this quite amusing if not bizarre at the very least; Someone please wake me up from the Twilight Zone cause I’m wondering if I’m the only one asking these questions and obviously I’m the only one brave enough to post them as I do not operate in fear. I don’t even care if the posts are half true, there’s an underlying agenda here, no doubt…..Seriously MAJOR HATHAWAY, do you think we are fools? WMD’s???? The only entity I’d be worried about using these weapons on the people would be your employer!!!

Like everyone else I love a treasure hunt and find this aspect of the story to be more entertaining than the various SHTF scenarios regularly posted on Avalon that everyone seems to gobble up with an insatiable appetite….hopefully this is still an open forum and we can discuss as this begs to be addressed? You have opened yourself up to this type of commentary by being a public figure, by utilizing your real name, and by your association of who you and your wife work for and socialize with. On this forum we often discuss the use of ‘discernment’, so my questioning is based on that, not who you are personally.

So lemme guess…is this the part where I get dismissed and a new thread is formed to take away from any type of intelligent discussion on this topic? Does Mr. Hathaway, I mean does MAJOR TODD HATHAWAY, a government employee of the corporation of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, aka THE UNITED NATIONS, get a free pass from answering any questions? Absolutely without a doubt this is the most delicious part of the story! Are we not to question any of this? Is this where investigative journalism stops?

Oooh that pesky we-R-one….wish she’d just quit prodding and return to the regular scheduled programming……

Welcome to the land of, what did you call it MAJOR HATHAWAY …”Superconsciousness”…? Could this be the latest global elite buzz word? You must have missed the memo from fellow illuminati supporter and progressive Barbara Marx Hubbard…….. Psst……I’ll help you out…..“Superconsciousness” isn’t coming…….it’s already here. Did you know she’s was “awarded the first Doctorate in Conscious Evolution by Emerson Institute”….oh goody! Gosh how could I forget the best part, her Foundation for Conscious Evolution is none other than a Rockefeller funded U.S. think-tank. Nothing going on here, just look the other way as its business as usual. So I can see your colleague is hard at work establishing the solution we’ll need once we get handed the disaster you’re laying out, (which, by the way will most likely be created by your employer) because even though “Superconsciousness” is in full swing, we still won’t have the ability to think for ourselves! Well bloody hell, I feel better already! Anybody else?

http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/bio
http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/node/10

PS Now here’s an absurdity for you, lol, if the reader gets my drift,
“Therefore, the solution is to desire the arrival of Superconsciousness through the continuous striving towards honesty and truthfulness of intent in all of one's affairs; thereby, making hidden agendas and the perpetuity of attachment via prejudice and preference in relationships and activities impossible.” -Major Todd Hathaway
PPS Give Bobd my best, shucks haven’t seen him around since the uh…’flamin’ posts I authored. He was so forth coming with information, such a shame he’s disappeared.

Moderators: Please accept this post for the intent it was authored in, and that is to get to the truth through discernment, a word discussed often on this forum which seems to have enlisted the support of many moderators over time. As explained above this poster has opened himself up to this type of observation for the various reasons I've already listed.


Request: Avalon members, please refrain from giving me any grief until you understand the basis of Agenda 21, who’s behind it and how it’s being implemented. For further understanding please see these threads:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60392-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60538-The-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative-and-its-connection-to-Agenda-21

[superconsciousness]

Why do you call yourself We-r-One? Your words bespeak the opposite.
I get it - you think sustainability is a code word for horror show. But guess what - it's also not.
Todd and I are working inside the system, it's true. Why? Because we're here and there are actually people trying to do the right thing. Per the IFCE - a network of environmentalists in China is a horrific thing for you? Why don't you go to China and see what's happening so you can really discern instead of making large claims you only read about. Discernment comes from first hand experience. And per Rummy - I got 20 minutes with the guy to look at energy as a security issue. Really insidious. It was a shocking experience - as in shocking that I would end up talking to him or that he would listen. But he did. That was it. 20 minutes. Never saw the guy again. He got fired. Nobody is really how they are portrayed in the media.
FYI - People are not cartoon figures. They can behave many ways, both good and bad. Same goes for organizations. Go to the CFR and prepare yourself for the insidiousness - it's actually incredibly mundane. That's how it works. People like you drink the kool aid and really believe that the conspiracies are everywhere and that the majority of the people are in on it. They're not. That's the problem.

[Bill Ryan]

Moderators: Please accept this post for the intent it was authored in, and that is to get to the truth through discernment, a word discussed often on this forum which seems to have enlisted the support of many moderators over time. As explained above this poster has opened himself up to this type of observation for the various reasons I've already listed.


This moderator (me) supports Todd's sincere intention to alert us to the various possibilities of what the financial future may bring.

Did you see his presentation or read anything that he has said here?

Re "the intent [your post] was authored in", evidence from your words and tone indicates that you are intent on prosecuting him with the accusation that he is some kind of a plant.

I am quite sure that you are wrong, and in my view this fixed idea of yours doesn't do credit to your intelligence and awareness. You have a bee in your bonnet, which will not go away, about Agenda 21 -- and quite rightly so -- but in my opinion you're being way too paranoid (and I used that word advisedly, knowing what it means). You are seeing reds-under-every-bed, and there are none here.

Would you prefer that Todd just stayed silent? Do clarify.

We're fortunate to have him here on Avalon. If you think this is some kind of psy-op, then (a) if it is, then it's not a very good one! -- and (b) we're just being given information that might help us collectively and individually: nothing more. That's what Avalon is for, and we might both strongly agree there.

One part of what ended up in Todd's presentation was offered to him privately by me (the 5-minute extract by 'insider economist' 'V') -- and then he included that as well. I salute him for that. Todd considers and evaluates information that comes his way, wherever it comes from. That's called being a good researcher. If you think I am therefore in some way an asset of Agenda 21 as well, then please do clarify that also.

:)

[Sierra]

we-R-one,

It is too bad you no longer post on other subjects, I found you brilliant myself. :)

Not here though. Too closed minded. Have you never heard of a white hat?

Yes, you may be right, but you also may be wrong, because you do not KNOW you are actually correct in your assumption that because of Todd's background, Todd Hathaway is unmitigated evil. (As the child of an Illuminati family, many might assume I am unmitigated evil as well.)

Your assumptions and anger interfere with what could be a useful thread to others, because you just might be wrong about why Todd is here, and more importantly, dissing a fellow member, takes the focus off the data, and puts it on personality.

I am saying sometimes it is wise to examine without choice or judgement or acceptance, simply to see the data, and notice if downstream, it slots into place somewhere in the rabbit hole.

Perhaps a thread of your own on Agenda 21, without tarring and feathering a fellow member?

I do miss your posts on other subjects. I find your posts thought provoking, intelligent, loaded with real data, and useful towards the big picture. I miss you. :)


Moderators: Please accept this post for the intent it was authored in, and that is to get to the truth through discernment, a word discussed often on this forum which seems to have enlisted the support of many moderators over time. As explained above this poster has opened himself up to this type of observation for the various reasons I've already listed.

I hope you do not find this post, this request, too annoying we-R-one ... I think that because Avalon has room for dissenting opinions, with members in different places on various subjects, it most certainly offers members more data, more evidence, more opportunities to put the pieces together, to practice discernment in a world of polarity. But it is better for both the subject matter, and the members, if we do not get personal or hostile about it.

Love, Sierra

[superconsciousness]

We-r-one has devoted an entire thread to Todd and myself as insidious evil do-ers - all based on her internet research and the culpability of people that use the word "sustainability".

We-r-one, I'd really like to know who you work for. You would have been great in the inquisition.

[Bill Ryan]

We-r-one, I'd really like to know who you work for. You would have been great in the inquisition.

I support the question!

But it's a rhetorical one -- do you see? It looks for all the world like you're trying to derail Todd and Nora (for newcomers: Nora is Todd's wife).

Because you and I both know that is absurd, and I know your intentions are good... we-R-one, can you please put your gun down? And see that Todd and Nora's intentions are good too?

[christian]

Moderators: Please accept this post for the intent it was authored in, and that is to get to the truth through discernment, a word discussed often on this forum which seems to have enlisted the support of many moderators over time. As explained above this poster has opened himself up to this type of observation for the various reasons I've already listed.

As far as I can see, you make assumptions based on circumstancial evidence and mix it with a lot of sarcasm and hostility. I don't think this is very helpful to evaluate where Todd is coming from.

A serious question for you: How would you expect someone within the system who is opposed to Agenda 21 and in favor of new energy solutions to act, if he or she wants to remain on the inside to further his or her goals?

[superconsciousness]

if anyone wants to join in on attacking us, they can join Dick Cheney and the Koch Brothers.
for anyone who thinks we are plants, I invite you to check out my titanium arm, courtesy of my car blowing up after "getting credit for the pentagon going green".

[Christine]

The irony of it all -- Todd spends hours and hours of his time putting together a well researched report from the information he is receiving. The report has not received the attention it merits. Then we-R-one decides to haul out the big guns again and stirs the controversial pot which quickly simmers over. Some vibe goes out on the forum and shortly there are many members watching the unacknowledged thread.

So who is helping who and what do we learn here? we-R-one, we the educated members of Avalon have proven over and over again that we have developed a sense called Discernment. I for one do not need a lecture to warn me of the lurking evils here.... for me there are none.

Again may I suggest that you use Avalon to the full potential and keep us all abreast of the developments in Agenda 21, you can start and maintain a thread on such. I add my voice to others that you are par excellence in your research and writing capabilities.

Todd, Nora and Bobd are members of Avalon and deserve respectful behavior.

[Redstar Kachina]

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[greybeard]

Intending no disrespect to anyone as I also fit this observation.
With time anyone can virtually tell what an individual is going to say in response to an OP.
We are conditioned to the degree that invariably when we search for truth we are actually seeking confirmation that we are correct in our view point.

ACIM says "The moment you take up a position know that you are identifying with an illusion"

The late Dr Hawkins said "If people knew better they would do better" he was maintaining, that given circumstances, context, conditioning, genes, culture, belief system etc---people did the best they could.

So the ego will look to prove that it knows best, is special and therefore dualistic and therein lise the root of the challenges of this world.
The ego is very suspicious and will scotoma out of awareness anything that does not fit the belief system.
It is not possible for anyone working for the government in a high position to have integrity---that's a belief.
Its narrow and flawed.

So while this not on the subject of the thread as such it is addressing some recent posts.
Of course it is one point of view amongst many and equally correct or incorrect.

Chris

[gripreaper]

we-R-one raises some valid points. We all know she is a spitfire and doesn't have a sugar coating machine in her knapsack. Give her some grace.


for anyone who thinks we are plants, I invite you to check out my titanium arm, courtesy of my car blowing up after "getting credit for the pentagon going green".

may I submit, there are those who are 'in" the inside who have taken much shrapnel as a result of uncovering the lie, and since you have indicated you are one who has, I honor your war wounds, and I mean this sincerely.

But, are not we-R-one's inquiries legitimate, regardless of the delivery from our firecracker girl? Is we-R-one's conjecture that Todd is employed by a government agency implementing the "problem" for which the "solution" will be some form of super-consciousness (undefined), not to be vetted?


who he himself is implementing an Agenda 21 program via the DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, known as the Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative(government funded)

I don't know much about the Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative, but I AM of the opinion that anything which comes out of Washington is corrupt, regardless of the vast number of good people who work for such agencies with the best of intentions. I know there are those who believe we need to work from the inside out and change the system, but I just don't see how we can take such a morally corrupt system and fix it from the inside. Hitting cancer with chemo just doesn't seem to work.

As far as "warning us" of an impending collapse with a requisite "new agenda" emerging from such a collapse, and it is up to us how we want that new paradigm to look, so we better wake up and quick...is, well, not that earth shattering when it comes to news, especially around here.

So, what I would like to know, what about this Potomac initiative? Who is funding it and who is behind it? Is this what we are supposed to "get behind", this Potomac Sustainability Initiative?

And this super-consciousness? Can we get a bit more clear on what that means? I know what it means to me, as I've more than amply stated as such all over this forum.

I'm off to do MY own due diligence and read more deeply the link's from both Todd and we-R-one before I render any additional comment. But I wont let the delivery of inquiry derail me, or connection to our corrupt government or their agendas as a basis for impugning Todd's character. Could it be Todd is inside the beast and walking as a Trojan horse?

Keep vetting folks. Question everything.

[ThePythonicCow]

Events based on our current path are as follows:

* Fed announcement of QE tapering (September or October 2013)
* Debt ceiling impasse results in government shutdown (on or about November 1st)
* Instability throughout global stock markets (FY 2014)
* SE Asian interbank loan rates spike (FY 2014)
* Instability throughout global derivatives markets (FY 2014)
* Japanese bond rates soar (FY 2014)
* Gold/Silver COMEX market implosion (FY 2014)
* Gold is "delisted" by the banking system as a "zero risk" asset (FY 2014)
* Extended bank holidays around the world (FY 2014)
* New financial system(s) established (FY 2014-15 timeframe, depending on country)
My take from what you're saying is that this is not the end of civilization, but a more global version of what has already transpired many times in individual countries - financial collapse used to further consolidate power and resources.

The Bankster Two Step:

Easy lending: Ratchet up the debt (liens on future income, secured by property). Easy money (easily lent) encourages people, corporations and governments to borrow, and borrowing (from Banksters) is the primary source of money in the monetary system foisted on us by the Banksters.
Tight lending: Tighten the screws, quit lending, call in debts, and impose "austerity" (supposedly for our own good of course, since we borrowed too much.) This enables the Banksters (who control the police and courts as well) to foreclose (in various ways) on the security of their debts.

However this typical boom-bust Two Step is overlayed with a larger cycle, the rise and fall of major empires. The American Empire has, in my view (with a tip of the hat to Martin Armstrong (http://armstrongeconomics.com/)) just peaked, with the usual over playing of the hand of tyranny typical of empires entering their decline and fall stage.

The combination of a peaking empire and the globalization of the financial and economic activity have led to a global boom, with deeply entwined financial activity.

This was the first step of the Bankster Two Step, on a global scale. The second step will, not too surprisingly, be used to consolidate control and resources on a global scale.

We can make it through this, and we can tilt the odds to more often favor good guys over sociopaths, but the fundamental tendency of humanity to form pyramidal organizations and civilizations remains our Achilles tendon.

[superconsciousness]

Todd and I spent all our own money funding the Potomac Sustainable Initiative. It's all gone now. A bunch of advanced energy researchers got what we had. I no longer work for the government. The network got broken up, but there are still good people here. It is a battleground. This thread serves to show that the extreme left serves the extreme right. I live here because my family is here. I got involved because I wanted to see if it was possible to make positive change inside the system. For a moment, we did a bit. I don't agree with the cancer analogy.

[Christine]

Hi grip,

I totally agree with you in theory, but this is round "thirty three and a half" so grace has been extended. I personally had long PMs with we-R-one and did my own due diligence so I know how much effort was put into trying to get a useful discussion going.

We do need to question everything, I take it as my duty to do so.

And we have the duty to be respectful...

We are once again faced with a shot fired to hurt... in my opinion not merited by the members of Avalon it was fired at. It isn't so much about questioning them, honestly, openly and respectfully which is fine. However resorting to sarcasm, below the belt accusations goes beyond what is necessary and simply undermines any understanding.

It appears that Todd is posting the information the way he sees it, and we the reader can take it or leave it as useful or not.

I do hope this will resolve with some learning for us all.


we-R-one raises some valid points. We all know she is a spitfire and doesn't have a sugar coating machine in her knapsack. Give her some grace.


for anyone who thinks we are plants, I invite you to check out my titanium arm, courtesy of my car blowing up after "getting credit for the pentagon going green".

may I submit, there are those who are 'in" the inside who have taken much shrapnel as a result of uncovering the lie, and since you have indicated you are one who has, I honor your war wounds, and I mean this sincerely.

But, are not we-R-one's inquiries legitimate, regardless of the delivery from our firecracker girl? Is we-R-one's conjecture that Todd is employed by a government agency implementing the "problem" for which the "solution" will be some form of super-consciousness (undefined), not to be vetted?


who he himself is implementing an Agenda 21 program via the DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, known as the Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative(government funded)

I don't know much about the Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative, but I AM of the opinion that anything which comes out of Washington is corrupt, regardless of the vast number of good people who work for such agencies with the best of intentions. I know there are those who believe we need to work from the inside out and change the system, but I just don't see how we can take such a morally corrupt system and fix it from the inside. Hitting cancer with chemo just doesn't seem to work.

As far as "warning us" of an impending collapse with a requisite "new agenda" emerging from such a collapse, and it is up to us how we want that new paradigm to look, so we better wake up and quick...is, well, not that earth shattering when it comes to news, especially around here.

So, what I would like to know, what about this Potomac initiative? Who is funding it and who is behind it? Is this what we are supposed to "get behind", this Potomac Sustainability Initiative?

And this super-consciousness? Can we get a bit more clear on what that means? I know what it means to me, as I've more than amply stated as such all over this forum.

I'm off to do MY own due diligence and read more deeply the link's from both Todd and we-R-one before I render any additional comment. But I wont let the delivery of inquiry derail me, or connection to our corrupt government or their agendas as a basis for impugning Todd's character. Could it be Todd is inside the beast and walking as a Trojan horse?

Keep vetting folks. Question everything.

[we-R-one]

Thanks for your response Nora Maccoby, though I personally find your argument weak, that’s just my opinion and really it’s up to the reader to decide. If you were working on the ‘inside’ I highly doubt you’d be on a forum, nor would you be using your real name, that doesn’t make sense for obvious reasons, so maybe I’m misinterpreting what you mean by working on the ‘inside’. The green movement is a part of Agenda 21 in case you weren’t aware. And there will always be the constant pitting of the right against the left, in order to confuse the masses. And as far as Dick Cheney and The Koch Bros. supposedly going after you..the purpose of that could merely be to contribute to the illusion that there’s a good side and a bad side…..Rumsfeld getting fired…all just part of the show.

There is nothing pleasant about Agenda 21 and its final outcome. I've also mentioned that you can pretty much expect any new organizations that pop up to be affiliated to Agenda 21 because it's about the only organization that can supply any type of funding. Unfortunately, both you and Todd Hathaway align yourself with organizations that support and implement its policies. So are you wanting me to believe that you both are working on the ‘inside’ to stop the policy and procedures of your employer that’s already been proven to be in full swing? Honestly it’s a toss-up for me, either you are extremely ignorant/naive to what you’re supporting, which by the way, I don’t think either of you are, or you know exactly what you’re doing. The purpose of my post is to bring to light what others cannot yet see. Are you a plant? I dunno…..at this point I really don’t care, what I find alarming is that I’m supposed to brush aside who you align yourself with as if it shouldn’t be a part of the equation of discernment when interpreting the intentions of your actions and posts and those of Todd Hathaway, who like myself mind you, is also pulling his information off of the internet though apparently because I’m doing that the information I’m supplying Ms. Maccoby is to be considered irrelevant…did I understand you correctly from your post above?

Bill, yes I have read what Todd has posted and like I said, some of it could be true, but let me turn the tables on you, have you read all that I have posted? I can see you haven’t otherwise you wouldn’t have asked who I work for and neither would have Nora, which is kinda partially my point, most people aren’t reading what I’ve posted. I sure got an awful lot of crap for pointing out the Agenda 21 connection by you and fellow forum members, which prompted me to vett Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative and its ties to Agenda 21 in which I proved without a doubt that it is, but you would have to read it all to have that understanding. I posted several links initially which backed what I was saying about the sustainability word. Not one person that dished on me, even bothered to apologize after what I posted, nor did anyone post anything legitimate to refute it. In response to yours and Nora’s question please see here, post #18:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60392-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative&p=692746&viewfull=1#post692746
“PS Just to be clear, I am not hunting these people down. I am merely exposing the truth. I'm not paid by anyone to research this information for any purpose and I am currently not aligned with any group.”

I cannot help if you do not have a full understanding of what Agenda 21 is and who’s behind it. Most people won’t take the time to read and research so they have a complete understanding because they just can't be bothered. I’m sure those that have put much focus on this topic would agree with the dot connecting I have presented, and I have openly asked if someone wants to demonstrate otherwise with legitimate proof not opinion, I would gladly take that into consideration, but as of yet, I’ve seen nothing. Like I mentioned in an above post, there could be half truths in what’s being said, it’s the messenger and who he aligns himself with that’s so concerning and makes one question his intentions and information; this is common sense and rational thinking in which I’m being chided for. Most won’t touch this with a ten foot pole out of fear and due to the fact that he appears to be a friend of yours. You cannot refute what I have posted in regards to Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative and its ties to the DOD and Agenda 21. Like I have told you before, I’m not playing the ‘Simon Says’ game and just because you say it’s so, doesn’t make it ‘so’ for me. The fact that I’m not friends with either of these people allows me to be more objective, as my emotions aren’t tied into what I’m uncovering. Until further evidence is provided that can show me otherwise, I stand beside what I have posted. I’m only as good as the information I have to work with and what I have to work with, which is verifiable clearly backs my concerns and rational thinking. Let’s not forget the dialogue of Bobd a supposed friend of Todd’s who clearly remembers a different Todd than what’s been shown on paper, and in Todd’s own words even. Are we suppose to ignore that? See post #7 here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60538-The-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative-and-its-connection-to-Agenda-21&p=693966&viewfull=1#post693966

I am sorry if members don’t like my findings and the direction they point in. When public figures come on a forum using their real name and wanting us to buy into whatever they’re peddling, they have to expect they’re going to be vetted. This is discernment not paranoia, let’s not confuse the two! So suddenly whenever Todd posts something all that logic goes out the window?? Because he’s a member, along with Nora and disappearing Bobd on Project Avalon, they’re all beyond scrutiny because that would be politically incorrect? I am not personally attacking any of these members, I am questioning who they align themselves with and their intentions based on what they've chosen to post and discuss, and I can see for some reason, this isn’t welcomed research. Many of my questions on the Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative thread were never answered and neither were Grip's. Why? Because we're right? If there’s nothing to hide than why isn’t their full disclosure that’s verifiable?

Interesting that my research is suddenly not pertinent to the topic. So I guess the message that’s going to be sent to fellow forum members is that now on Avalon we’re going to pick and choose who and what we can vett and not all material is going to be considered relevant so don’t bother vetting anyone or anything because it won’t be readily accepted.

[Bill Ryan]

Just to be clear, I am not hunting these people down. I am merely exposing the truth.

But you're not, you see. You're only exposing what you think the truth is.

Your zeal is your weakness, because you do not think you could be wrong.

But you might be.

[we-R-one]

Todd, Nora and Bobd are members of Avalon and deserve respectful behavior.

Really? Where were you when Bobd called me 'flamin' several times over? Didn't seem to bother any of the moderators at the time. See here on this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60392-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative

Please don't edit it now, let it stand as is....it's perfect, as it just validates my findings that much more that somethin isn't right here.

[we-R-one]

Ok, Bill here's my challenge, if I'm wrong, than please provide verifiable information that demonstrates my inaccuracies or anyone else for that matter.

Show me who's funding Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative
Show me who's on the board or steering committee, better yet why isn't it posted on the website?
Show me how it's not tied to the DOD or Agenda 21
Show me it's not receiving government funding nor ever will be
Show me the R&D project isn't receiving government funding
Explain to me how MAJOR TODD HATHAWAY is not a government employee

Let's just start there...

[Bill Ryan]

Todd, Nora and Bobd are members of Avalon and deserve respectful behavior.

Really? Where were you when Bobd called me 'flamin' several times over? Didn't seem to bother any of the moderators at the time. See here on this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60392-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative

Please don't edit it now, let it stand as is....it's perfect, as it just validates my findings that much more that somethin isn't right here.

The above is really for Christine to reply to, but if you'd publicly (and incorrectly) slammed my work the way you slammed Todd's, I'd have been much more hard on you than Bob was.

My advice: I have stated on record several times that you are well-meaning. But put your gun down now, take a long look, and consider your own intellectual certainty (which comes over as arrogance and stubborn defiance), and be prepared to realize that you may have been mistaken.

This is not about Agenda 21. Read again Todd's long post #1. He's trying to assist us all, for God's sakes. If you think he's somehow pulling everyone's strings to further some nefarious agenda, please explain clearly. If you cannot, then please go contribute on another thread where you really do stand on solid ground.

I declare my personal interest: maligning a good person and a whistleblower (and free energy activist, to boot), whom you do not know and have never met, based only on your idea of research, is the one thing that significantly offends my values -- because I myself have been many times wrongly maligned in the same way. Please don't do this. This is my strongest personal request.

[Bill Ryan]

Explain to me how MAJOR TODD HATHAWAY is not a government employee


He is. He's a serving military officer.

Is that a lynching offense? You appear to be holding the rope.

[christian]

Show me who's funding Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative
Show me who's on the board or steering committee, better yet why isn't it posted on the website?
Show me how it's not tied to the DOD or Agenda 21
Show me it's not receiving government funding nor ever will be
Show me the R&D project isn't receiving government funding
Explain to me how MAJOR TODD HATHAWAY is not a government employee

The only question that really matters at the end of the day is: What is Todd doing? Not where his money is coming from, not what's on his badge, not who he's affiliated with. These are interesting questions, for sure, but I think you're mistaken when you focus solely on that.

[we-R-one]

I never slammed his work...now we're twisting my words. I give up....have at it, you win! There is nothing arrogant about what I'm doing, I have backed everything I've said with links, there is nothing more I can do.

[Sierra]

Ok, Bill here's my challenge, if I'm wrong, than please provide verifiable information that demonstrates my inaccuracies or anyone else for that matter.

Show me who's funding Potomac Sustainable Communities Initiative
Show me who's on the board or steering committee, better yet why isn't it posted on the website?
Show me how it's not tied to the DOD or Agenda 21
Show me it's not receiving government funding nor ever will be
Show me the R&D project isn't receiving government funding
Explain to me how MAJOR TODD HATHAWAY is not a government employee

Let's just start there...

Oh for criminy dear heart. WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE, WORKING IN DIFFERENT WAYS, SOME ON THE INSIDE, SOME ON THE OUTSIDE. THOSE ON THE INSIDE RISK MUCH MORE THAN THOSE STANDING ON THE OUTSIDE POINTING FINGERS.

Pardon my bellowing.

As we said on another thread (where members were attacking one another), by all means discuss homosexuality, but not by way of an ad hominem attack on an individual for his/her views on homosexuality.

Get the difference? I know you get the difference, you are too smart not to.

If I were to emulate you, I would be bellowing:

SHOW ME HE IS NOT A WHITE HAT.

Love, Sierra

[Bill Ryan]

:focus:

Thank you!

[gripreaper]

Explain to me how MAJOR TODD HATHAWAY is not a government employee


He is. He's a serving military officer. Is that a lynching offense?

No, it's not. Neither is awakening to the fact that the US government, and the US military, are NOT here to protect the United States' freedom and liberty, but that the US military is a privately held mercenary bully force of the elite which the global bankster elitist's use to imperialize ALL countries of this world for full and complete control and implementation of a nefarious agenda.

Neither is "trying" to work from the inside to implement change, and finding out, after having half your face blown off and all of your assets absconded and wasted to the point of near bankruptcy, that the government and military, which you have dedicated your whole life to in order to protect your fellow citizen's, is complicit in the destruction of this country, and you personally.

And neither is pointing out that there is an agenda and that it is being implemented, and that we should be watching the economics of Japan as the trigger, or that a collapse is imminent, or that there is corroborating evidence, via links on the internet, which substantiate this claim.

And neither is strongly encouraging others to prepare as quickly as possible, even relocating out of the US.

Neither is pointing out alternatives, like free energy, which could totally shift the control paradigm away from fractional fiat based debt instrument promissory notes as a proxy for asset valuation, or that we are controlled by the antiquated oil and electric grids which are completely bogus, and that there ARE technologies which are hundreds of years more advanced, hidden from the public domain, and we should expose them and implement them.

But, when someone says: Hey, you should check out the Potomac Sustainable Community Initiative and get behind it, I say...

No thanks. Not interested in anything which the corrupt US government, or their private military global mercenary force is funding, implementing, encouraging, or involved in.

I do, however, encourage those who "thought" the United States was a bastion of freedom and liberty, who have dedicated their entire lives to living and following the rules and helping their communities, who are awakening to the FACT that the entire story, the entire paradigm is bogus and that they have been completely lied to, and are looking for support, to come here to Avalon where there is massive support for this awakening.

President Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex, and Kennedy tried to warn us about the repugnance of secret societies, and he also tried to get us back on a sound currency, for which he paid with his life.

Camelot ended when Kennedy was shot fifty years ago. A HUGE hidden underground economy, global government, global power source other than oil and electricity, stellar zero gravity craft, hybridized and engineered DNA humans, horrendous abilities to mind control and alter brain states as well as poisoning and eliminating the indigenous population of this planet, and outside influences from earth, NONE OF WHICH is in the public domain, IS what IS true, and what we are faced with.

If this is where Todd and Nora are going with their most recent membership to Avalon, then I say "welcome", you have come to the right place and I support you. What I will add here, is the solution is not "out there" in manifestation land or any "Sustainable initiative".

Give it a couple more years when the banksters are done stripping the remainder of the middle class, who still believe there is hope of fixing things from the inside, who still believe they are in positions of power and know many who are and have equitable and moral solutions, who still believe America is the greatest country on earth and that liberty and freedom must be fought for and died for, who still sleep in comfortable houses and are witnessing the plight of their fellow man falling into poverty at an alarming rate....

This is when Todd and Nora will be able to help these people. This is when Todd can hang up his military uniform and walk away from what he has known. This day is quickly approaching.

[mgray]

Todd, I'm afraid your initial action of a Sept., Oct. taper event is misguided.

The second read on Q2 GDP will naturally come in lower than first read, which will give pause to any Fed actions.

So the trigger setting off your debt-bomb scenario is a bit too early from this financial journalist's point of view.

Besides when tapering begins Fed funding could still reach $85B a month since any reduction would be in the form of new paper bought. Older paper that matures would still be reinvested or rolled over into Treasuries and MBSs.

No I'm afraid we are in QE enternity matrix since there are no other liquidity providers in the market
.
Remember the debt ceiling is politics, not economics. Market mavens in all securities (currencies, bonds, equities and commodities) know that.

Look at equity and bond trading on the 1st of any recent month, it's an up day, since new money comes into the market especially at the beginning of the quarter.

One last thing, Rep. Kanjorski is quoting my "Almost Armageddon" article on the clip you embedded in the post.
He interviewed me prior to speaking on The Hill in the aftermath of Lehman Bros. demise.

If you want to say Oct. is a tough month, history is on your side, but not since the liquidity drains of the 1920's and 30's -- where capital left Wall St. to go west to pay farmers for their crops, thereby putting the squeeze on bankers to call in margins -- has there been a sane explanation for market volatility during the month.

I don't want to say your reasoning is flawed, but your timeline is far too many standard deviations off center to be called a Black Swan event or fat tail.

Thank you for your contributions they are well thought out and have merit. Enjoy the rest of the summer and let's see what happens come fall.

[superconsciousness]

Yo grireaper -


But, when someone says: Hey, you should check out the Potomac Sustainable Community Initiative and get behind it, I say...

No thanks. Not interested in anything which the corrupt US government, or their private military global mercenary force is funding, implementing, encouraging, or involved in.



IT WAS NEVER FUNDED BY ANYONE EXCEPT OUR OWN PRIVATE BANK ACCOUNTS THAT ARE NOW VERY EMPTY. It is a private endeavor to give money to advanced energy researchers. There is no government involvement or support.

What a nice place this Avalon is. All the arm chair nihilists on your computers ripping us to pieces for trying to do something good. Sorry. Very sorry but thought it was worth the effort. Still do, but tapped out. As for Todd hanging up his military outfit, it's a debtor's prison, baby. You can't just leave. You have to do the time. And yeah, they know they are mercenaries for the banks - they want out. that's why they are doing stuff on the inside. But sit back and keep judging. What are YOU doing to stop the madness?

[gripreaper]

[quote]IT WAS NEVER FUNDED BY ANYONE EXCEPT OUR OWN PRIVATE BANK ACCOUNTS THAT ARE NOW VERY EMPTY. It is a private endeavor to give money to advanced energy researchers. There is no government involvement or support.

Thanks for clarifying that. New energy technology is a tough go. Have you spent any time on Wade Fraziers thread? I don't know when the Tesla energy technology will finally be implemented, as we are so stuck on the "speed of light" technology and the Newtonian paradigm of physics.


Very sorry but thought it was worth the effort. Still do, but tapped out.

As I stated earlier, I honor and respect you for your efforts. Sorry, as with all others who have attempted to bring forth the alternative energy community (See Wade Fraziers thread), that your efforts were absconded.


As for Todd hanging up his military outfit, it's a debtor's prison, baby. You can't just leave. You have to do the time.

Yup, I get that. I realize you are new here at Avalon, so you have not had time to go through my posts, as I have been down that rabbit hole probably more than 95% of the people here, and know it quite well. So has we-R-one.


What are YOU doing to stop the madness?

Do you have a couple days we can sit around the campfire with our favorite libations in hand? Don't let the rough edges of this forum, or the armchair critics (of which we all fall into this category as part of the internet age), or the delivery of some messengers, get under your skin. I mean no ill will.

[superconsciousness]

Don't let the rough edges of this forum, or the armchair critics (of which we all fall into this category as part of the internet age), or the delivery of some messengers, get under your skin. I mean no ill will.


Thanks.
I don't have the luxury right now to be an armchair critic but I'm glad you all do.
The situation is not black and white. And as long as it's played that way, you play into their hands, play their game. The only way to win is to CHANGE the game while it is in play.
You can stop a genocide if you're here. You can't if you run away.
I came back from death and a nice life in Paradise to do what I could because I experienced the lesson of a mosquito with a virus and the lesson that if one bug can decimate an entire population of humans, maybe one human can do **** too. I engaged to see what I could get away with - just one idea - create a third column for the left and right to join, based on common sense and investment in our own people and lands, understanding that security means safe water, earth and sky. I reached out to power and I saw first hand that miracles were possible, timelines opened when the moment and the person was approached by logic, not hate.
In between black and white there is a lot of space - a rainbow in fact.

[nomadguy]

there is nothing more I can do.

You are most certainly wrong about that. There is a lot you can do.
One of these might be to question your own ideas and/or beliefs.

I do know, that doing so is one of the hardest things a person can do.
People who are serving in the military are "people". I have a strong feeling that in the very near future we are going to need to look past our political differences ... to survive.
Fighting over how words are used to describe something is counterproductive in many ways.
So we-are-one is permaculture an Agenda 21 plot too? It is a sustainable practice after all...(rhetorical question).
It is less important to argue the origins of sustainability that it is to re-think our living. What "we" the people out there choose to do is what is important here. Any idea that people on the ground can put to use to pull us off this road-off-a-cliff is a good thing. In that spirit perhaps the people can hijack agenda 21 and remake it as we see fit...

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[Bill Ryan]

Todd, I'm afraid your initial action of a Sept., Oct. taper event is misguided.

The second read on Q2 GDP will naturally come in lower than first read, which will give pause to any Fed actions.

So the trigger setting off your debt-bomb scenario is a bit too early from this financial journalist's point of view.

Besides when tapering begins Fed funding could still reach $85B a month since any reduction would be in the form of new paper bought. Older paper that matures would still be reinvested or rolled over into Treasuries and MBSs.

No I'm afraid we are in QE enternity matrix since there are no other liquidity providers in the market
.
Remember the debt ceiling is politics, not economics. Market mavens in all securities (currencies, bonds, equities and commodities) know that.

Look at equity and bond trading on the 1st of any recent month, it's an up day, since new money comes into the market especially at the beginning of the quarter.

One last thing, Rep. Kanjorski is quoting my "Almost Armageddon" article on the clip you embedded in the post.
He interviewed me prior to speaking on The Hill in the aftermath of Lehman Bros. demise.

If you want to say Oct. is a tough month, history is on your side, but not since the liquidity drains of the 1920's and 30's -- where capital left Wall St. to go west to pay farmers for their crops, thereby putting the squeeze on bankers to call in margins -- has there been a sane explanation for market volatility during the month.

I don't want to say your reasoning is flawed, but your timeline is far too many standard deviations off center to be called a Black Swan event or fat tail.

Thank you for your contributions they are well thought out and have merit. Enjoy the rest of the summer and let's see what happens come fall.


Many thanks for this intelligent analysis, and personally I do defer to your financial knowledge and experience.

But when you said Remember the debt ceiling is politics, not economics, you may have exactly nailed it. Your argument, as best I understand it, presupposes that the economic controllers are working to defer a collapse. That might not at all be the case.

It might very well be a controlled demolition, permitting a new structure to be presented in place of the old. The house of cards might well be sustainable for a while longer -- but it's also precarious enough for it to be brought down quite easily if that is what has been decided.

In the bigger picture, the dots align to suggest that this is exactly what will happen. What I would like to know, is when. I would genuinely welcome your views on this.

[Billy]

This is part of a comment i posted in Todd.s Potomac Sustainable thread here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60392-Potomac-Sustainable-Communities-Initiative&p=693728#post693728




Is this the secret of bringing forth the technology. To be pure of heart.

That "not being pure of heart" is the downfall of those trying to bring this technology into being.

This makes sense but a tall order for individuals and humanity to achieve.

It looks like we have a long wait ahead of us. But hopefully one day some noble compassionate souls with pure hearts can change the situation.


And i just want to repeat what i said in that thread.

That Todd and Nora are both pure of heart. That they have the betterment of all humanity within those hearts.

I understand We-are- one's concern's. But you are barking up the wrong tree here We-Are-One. Yes they use their true names because they have nothing to hide, open for anyone to research, Would you rather they used false names and no one would know who they are.

I will add that their efforts to bring about a change for the betterment of all humanity has been 24/7 for many many years. Putting their lives on the line for all.

My personal opinion is that it is an honour to have Todd and Nora on board Avalon. And if we treat them with the respect that they deserve, And give them a chance, Hopefully they will continue to keep us all informed from their point of perception concerning our present and potential future situation.

Thank you for being here Todd and Nora. Please keep going.

Peace

[karelia]

Billy, as so often, you speak out of my heart. Thank you for that.

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's a MUST LISTEN interview with Ann Barnhardt, who closed down her brokerage firm last year in the wake of the MS Global collapse saying (essentially) that the system was terminally and irreversibly crooked and unstable, and she was no longer in a position to protect her clients.

You go, Girl! Enjoy this barnstorming, highly articulate, meticulously well-informed diatribe. And the conclusion she states, crystal clearly and in style, is that the US economy will be intentionally brought down from within.

Send this to everyone you know who still has money in the digital system. As Ann says: "To those people who do not know what GET OUT means, I can't help you."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqDSe5Dh8s

[mgray]

Todd, I'm afraid your initial action of a Sept., Oct. taper event is misguided.

The second read on Q2 GDP will naturally come in lower than first read, which will give pause to any Fed actions.

So the trigger setting off your debt-bomb scenario is a bit too early from this financial journalist's point of view.

Besides when tapering begins Fed funding could still reach $85B a month since any reduction would be in the form of new paper bought. Older paper that matures would still be reinvested or rolled over into Treasuries and MBSs.

No I'm afraid we are in QE enternity matrix since there are no other liquidity providers in the market
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Remember the debt ceiling is politics, not economics. Market mavens in all securities (currencies, bonds, equities and commodities) know that.

Look at equity and bond trading on the 1st of any recent month, it's an up day, since new money comes into the market especially at the beginning of the quarter.

One last thing, Rep. Kanjorski is quoting my "Almost Armageddon" article on the clip you embedded in the post.
He interviewed me prior to speaking on The Hill in the aftermath of Lehman Bros. demise.

If you want to say Oct. is a tough month, history is on your side, but not since the liquidity drains of the 1920's and 30's -- where capital left Wall St. to go west to pay farmers for their crops, thereby putting the squeeze on bankers to call in margins -- has there been a sane explanation for market volatility during the month.

I don't want to say your reasoning is flawed, but your timeline is far too many standard deviations off center to be called a Black Swan event or fat tail.

Thank you for your contributions they are well thought out and have merit. Enjoy the rest of the summer and let's see what happens come fall.


Many thanks for this intelligent analysis, and personally I do defer to your financial knowledge and experience.

But when you said Remember the debt ceiling is politics, not economics, you may have exactly nailed it. Your argument, as best I understand it, presupposes that the economic controllers are working to defer a collapse. That might not at all be the case.

It might very well be a controlled demolition, permitting a new structure to be presented in place of the old. The house of cards might well be sustainable for a while longer -- but it's also precarious enough for it to be brought down quite easily if that is what has been decided.

In the bigger picture, the dots align to suggest that this is exactly what will happen. What I would like to know, is when. I would genuinely welcome your views on this.

Yes Bill, I quibbled with the timing not the results.
But I also believe as I wrote some nine months ago here, that there will be an interim step of pushing the reset button, where all sovereign debt will be debased by 50 percent or some other factor.

So US debt level would be $7.5 trillion, but the dollar purchasing power would also be cut by that amount in order to avoid runaway inflation.

That would allow additional time to prop up bank balance sheets, which is a whole other story. Bank profits are a myth. The product of creative bookkeeping.

If the banks ever had to mark to market the toxic "assets" they hold on their balance sheets, the doors would close 10 minutes later.

If Larry Summers becomes the new Federal Reserve chairman, replacing Ben Bernanke, then I believe the the economy will implodes into a global depression a year from now. Because of his hubris. This is the man who spearheaded the repeal of Glass Steagal, which put us where we are today.

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We got this message from Ron Bowman via the Avalon Contact form:






This is a brand new Patriot Protest Song, with emphasis on The Economic Collapse. I made a long version & a shorter version for “air play”. I made this You Tube Wednesday night July24, 2013:

Mouse Trap by The Whistleblowers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpiz2-0eDy0

We are from Florida where the Stand Your Ground law is under attack. This is going viral in Tallahassee and soon the entire State & Country.

This is original material all copyrighted and written by me. It is fresh off the grill. I’m giving you permission to use this song anyway you choose. My intent is to share & spread the truth. Below is the Cloud link that contains the audio of the short & long version:

https://soundcloud.com/rocketron-2

Please give this a listen. It will be worth your time.
Thank you,
Ron E Bowman
http://ronbowman.com



Ron was right: I really enjoyed it. Catchy song, smart lyrics, and the video was very nicely done. I wish him all the success he deserves.

[TODD & NORA]

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[Bill Ryan]

LISTEN:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/08/16/the-hagmann-hagmann-report

Download link here: http://blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/04/16/the-hagmann-hagmann-report.mp3

Summary (written by Doug Hagmann):





Topic: We are the targets of a financial war being waged against us. Learn what the battle is, where it is, and most importantly, how to survive during the coming storm. Join “V,” The Guerrilla Economist and financial insider, along with internationally renowned bestselling author Steve Quayle tonight for a special edition of The Hagmann & Hagmann Report. This is destined to be perhaps one of the most important broadcast of our times.

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Billy]

Hi Todd. I am very pleased that you have decided to continue to update us all here on Avalon. I see that you would prefer to update on the Zero Hour thread as you mention in the above post.

Can i make a suggestion. As well as adding updates on the Original post on that thread, could you also update as a new post in the thread. As this will bump the thread up. Then we can see that an update has been posted. This helps keep us all in the loop.

For your consideration.

Regards

Billy

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Redstar Kachina]

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[EYES WIDE OPEN]

WW3? http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/9339#more-9339

please read the full article.


“None of what you are seeing is about fighting terrorism, or about helping the people of Syria. It’s about oil, energy and the global economic system. Conflict exists for the globalists to achieve their objective, and their objective is the implementation of a new economic system that will be a basket of currencies, or SDR (Special Drawing Rights). If you don’t know about SDRs, just equate it to the Euro, but on a global scale.”

They will usher this in by striking at the United States much like the U.S. took down the old Soviet Union. They will target our economy through oil, cheap oil, from Saudi Arabia. Remember, Russia is the world’s largest exporter of oil, neck and neck with the Saudis. But, the Saudis oil wells have been damaged and their ‘lift costs’ are increasing.”

“So, what we are about to see and experience in a most painful way is the destruction of the U.S. economy, the intentional killing of the U.S. dollar, by having it replaced as the world’s reserve currency, and replaced with a basket of currencies (SDR) that is much easier to control.”

“This is all about the conversion of world’s economic trading mechanism from a U.S. dollar based system to a SDR. The Middle East and Syria is merely the catalyst for is implementation. The ‘flash-bang’ of the magic act. And once this catalytic action is started, we cannot go back. War in the Middle East and particularly Syria is the catalyst that will disrupt transactions and commerce all over the world. And few will see it coming, or know what hit them.”