Pattie Brassard Interview with Veritas Radio on "The Event"‏

[Maia Gabrial]

Have any of you heard this disturbing Veritas interview? It was brought to my attention through an email from Eve Lorgen. And it seems that it bothers me, too. See what you think...


Pattie Brassard Interview with Veritas Radio on "The Event"
Dated: 07 August,2013


I wondered if I should even send out this link. This is an interview with Pattie Brassard with Mel Fabrigas of Veritas Radio show dated Aug 6th, 2013 on Youtube.

A researcher colleague sent this to me along with a collection of other coinciding reports this past week. In particular, alot of stories are coming out about the FEMA gearing up for huge events, which all seem to be related to the second sun “brown dwarf star” and planetary system that becomes visible this month and for a while afterwards with lots of earth and atmospheric changes. Of course there are more aspects to the FEMA exercises (which you can get info about on one of Chris and Sheree Geo’s Truth Frequency shows this week , see http://truthfrequencyradio.com/earth-changes-and-continuity-of-the-species-with-marshall-masters-and-scott-bug/) but the main concern is this celestial event.

Apparently the chemtrails hide the second suns visibility at sunrise and sunset in most places, but the effects of its proximity are starting to happen with various grids going out, bizarre weather and the ozone layer disappearing in some areas entirely. They even mentioned a report in NC about how the rain amounts given by the weather and mainstream sources were a flat out lie and it’s been much more than that.

There are other coinciding events such as the multiple Embassy closings, the Syria situation and the global currency reset plans which all seem to be happening now or very soon–this month. They did mention the fact that most people are just too mind controlled via television and other modes to even pay attention or prepare for what is happening.

This interview was so sobering I didn’t know what to think and I hope it’s not true. It can be another “eventitus” psychological tactic so keep this in mind also. I suppose time wise no one really can pinpoint exact dates but this whistleblower seemed to really know their stuff. He/she mentioned a few comments about aliens, Annunaki and Nephilim, but didn’t want to elaborate on any thing “spiritual”. This caught my attention, and also the fact that they didn’t seem to know much in this regard.

Pattie also mentioned how some of the planets in this huge second sun “brown dwarf star” system have intelligent alien life, some benevolent who want to help us and that the Blue Kachina Hopi legend is about one of the planets in this system, whose size is bigger than Jupiter. He mentioned how the NWO global elite just wants to save themselves in underground bases and keep this a secret from the surface population. One odd thing that was mentioned was that our planet Earth and our moon is supposedly not a natural part of our solar system and it had been “from somewhere else”. I wondered about this in light of what I’m learning in the Gaian Navigation Experiment and John Lash’s material on metahistory.org and gaiaspora.org. Can our planet Sophia navigate out of this situation or is this part of her Correction?

The brown dwarf star and its planetary system has passed through our solar system every 3200-3600 years and supposedly wiped out our civilization 5 times before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye9BgvNvjK0


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[GloriousPoetry]

Disturbing.....if it's true we are so screwed! I don't think I would want to continue on this planet...

[Bill Ryan]

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I've been asked about this by a couple of people now. Here's what I have at the moment:

1) I've listened to all the interview. I put the audio on the server for easy download:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_Mel_Fabregas_6_August_2013_Planet_X.mp3

It's definitely worth listening to in its entirety (66 mins). It's interesting enough, specific enough, and credible enough for us to give it some attention. Pattie Brassard has genuine credentials, and is a real scientist (not a 'fake' one). It does fit with some information that I have had myself for several years now.

It's very much off the wall, and I do not believe that a full 100% of Pattie's information is accurate, but a significant amount of what she says (the parts that I CAN verify), stacks up.

However, I do NOT believe that Planet X (the 'second sun', or whatever we should call it) is "near the sun". But Pattie's information is so specific that we'll soon know whether she's misguided or not (that it will be 0.32 AU away, three days of darkness, etc).





An 'AU' is an 'Astronomical Unit, the distance from the Earth to the sun -- approx 93 million miles. So 0.32 of an AU is approx 30 million miles. If there WAS an alignment of a massive astronomical object, 30 million miles away, between us and the sun, then there WOULD be heavy effects on the Earth's crust, on the magnetosphere, and all our weather systems. No doubt. The question is whether it's really there or not. I still cannot believe that the tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, who cannot all be silenced, would not have noticed this.

2) Mel Fabregas did a very good, professional job with Pattie. In his place, I could not have done much better.

There's another, earlier interview with Pattie here (By 'Dr Denis' -- can anyone say more about him? -- on Blog Talk Radio, downloaded here):

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_Blog_Talk_Radio.mp3

This interview (42 mins) is not nearly so well conducted, and overlaps considerably in content, but if anyone wants to research Pattie Brassard in detail this is also interesting material.

3) The images that Pattie got hold of are here:

http://citizenperth.com/DoomSite/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3 (if they disappear I have them downloaded)

4) For those on Facebook, her three pages are here:


http://facebook.com/groups/Fukashima.Facts
http://facebook.com/groups/RadiationRecord
http://facebook.com/PattieBFine


I welcome serious research and investigation on this. In the meantime, I'll summarize my own data collected from the last several years on this subject and will post it later with some of my own provisional thoughts. There's quite a lot of interesting join-the-dots stuff to consider.

[jiminii]

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I've been asked about this by a couple of people now. Here's what I have at the moment:

1) I've listened to all the interview. I put the audio on the server for easy download:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_Mel_Fabregas_6_August_2013_Planet_X.mp3

It's definitely worth listening to in its entirety (66 mins). It's interesting enough, specific enough, and credible enough for us to give it some attention. Pattie Brassard has genuine credentials, and is a real scientist (not a 'fake' one). It does fit with some information that I have had myself for several years now.

It's very much off the wall, and I do not believe that a full 100% of Pattie's information is accurate, but a significant amount of what she says (the parts that I CAN verify), stacks up.

However, I do NOT believe that Planet X (the 'second sun', or whatever we should call it) is "near the sun". But Pattie's information is so specific that we'll soon know whether she's misguided or not (that it will be 0.32 AU away, three days of darkness, etc).





An 'AU' is an 'Astronomical Unit, the distance from the Earth to the sun -- approx 93 million miles. So 0.32 of an AU is approx 30 million miles. If there WAS an alignment of a massive astronomical object, 30 million miles away, between us and the sun, then there WOULD be heavy effects on the Earth's crust, on the magnetosphere, and all our weather systems. No doubt. The question is whether it's really there or not. I still cannot believe that the tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, who cannot all be silenced, would not have noticed this.

2) Mel Fabregas did a very good, professional job with Pattie. In his place, I could not have done much better.

There's another, earlier interview with Pattie here (By 'Dr Denis' -- can anyone say more about him? -- on Blog Talk Radio, downloaded here):

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_Blog_Talk_Radio.mp3

This interview (42 mins) is not nearly so well conducted, and overlaps considerably in content, but if anyone wants to research Pattie Brassard in detail this is also interesting material.

3) The images that Pattie got hold of are here:

http://citizenperth.com/DoomSite/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3 (if they disappear I have them downloaded)

4) For those on Facebook, her two pages are here:


http://facebook.com/groups/Fukashima.Facts
http://facebook.com/groups/RadiationRecord


I welcome serious research and investigation on this. In the meantime, I'll summarize my own data collected from the last several years on this subject and will post it later with some of my own provisional thoughts. There's quite a lot of interesting join-the-dots stuff to consider.

I am going for a smooth pass by like all the other predictions that didn't happen. This is because I believe those of us sent back at this time from the future are setup to keep everything in tack, (below our awareness), but I have been getting the data coming in to my beingness in streams, so I predict nothing serious will happen. This is the last ride and we get though this it will also mean the end of the cabal, and the planet will be ours.

jim

[Bill Ryan]

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Here are the images, exactly as uploaded by her on 4 August to http://citizenperth.com/DoomSite/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3.

All the comments are Pattie's, and are copied verbatim.


http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Thermal_Look.jpg
A thermal look at our second sun and Co...

We have 2 suns.. and this picture shows it, and a large Jupiter-like planet.. one of the 7 that circle it. The center top bright spot.. and the smallest of them is Jupiter. Our main sun is off-screen to the left, and not in this picture. The sun won't be much problem.. as it stays outside the system. The planets however... have orbits that lap-over ours!

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-4.jpg
Here's a look...

Here's the incoming system.. last month. That's it behind Jupiter on its inbound track.

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/amz_sized.jpg
NASA SAYS...

NASA posted this.. and it shows the new sun orbital passage around us. Lie by omitting the ENTIRE FACT that it has 7 ( SEVEN ) planets in orbit around it ! HELLO !! They did speak to some other stuff we have orbiting... not that it matters much to the guys & Gals on the street !

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Gallery_Image_6540.jpg
They Say Simulation..?

Now NASA said this was just a simulation... funny how it matches EXACTLY the system that I borrowed an entire observatory to take some photos of !! @j@

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-4.jpg
Here's the system... With Jupiter in the shot for scale... this is last month.. she was still out a ways..

Does this look a bit familiar...? It should !! Matches NASA simulation.. we must be mind-linked ! Don't you think ???

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-6.jpg
Jupiter's BIG SISTER !!

Some PROBLEMS This one is larger than Jupiter by more than four TIMES !!!

This will be swinging by the EARTH.. and cause some major GRAVITY PROBLEMS !!! It will definitively FORCE-FINISH our pole-swap that's already started! Also, cause MAJOR FLOODING !! Remember Noah...? YEP! That was caused by the LAST TIME these visitors came by...!

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Mars_Atmo_5-18.jpg
Mars-Electrical STORM

Here's the early edition !! This is MARS.. and all the incoming planetary bodies are pushing DUST! This is the dust hitting Mars and causing ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS!!! Carrington event from HELL !!

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Mars_Pole_Debris_5-18.jpg
Mars Polar View

Here's a look at Mars POLE.. bit more dramatic !! THIS is now beginning to hit US!

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http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg
Our other sun..

Here's our other sun.. when she was still out a bit. I remote-borrowed an observatory to take my own pick.. can't trust anybody these days!

[schneider]

If what Pattie says is true, it is a little late to prepare. She says you need to be underground 3 feet inside a faraday cage for 6 to 8 weeks because the Earth's magnetic field will go down. If you are on the surface you will be fried by ultra violet light and microwave radiation. She says the people in the D.U.M.B.s will probably be crushed, if that makes you feel any better. I live in the Vegas area and in the last 2 1/2 weeks, our power has gone off 4 times which is unusual.

[Cristian]

Bill...I can't see the pics in your last post LE: I can now!

Didn't listen to the interview , didn't read the material yet , but can you explain why this time we don't apply the "If this is true why aren't astronomers all over the Planet screaming?"

[jiminii]

Bill...I can't see the pics in your last post:

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the pics are in the link

jim

[Cristian]

bump... :P

Bill...I can't see the pics in your last post L.E: I can now!

Didn't listen to the interview , didn't read the material yet , but can you explain why this time we don't apply the "If this is true why aren't astronomers all over the Planet screaming?"

[grannyfranny100]

Whatever happened to divide up projects so employees can't pull together all the dots? Seems odds that she can and with little explanation of her diverse jobs and actual credentials: exposure to depleted uranium in the military and recent indirect access to telescopes while her personal records have been deleted from data bases. Plus she seems too well rehearsed to spin a tale with so little hesitation.

[jiminii]

to give you a better view of what is: 70 percent of the planet is composed of minions, (Genetic Entities Ghost). Since they are just a creation from a spirit being they will not be able to effect much of anything but what a typical monkey would be capable of. The entire thing depends on what the 30 percent that is left that do have spirit beings with about 70 million star seeds from the future. these are completely clean star seeds. Whether they are aware or not they are setup to do what they've been sent to do. This planet will be safe. The cabal can only cause effects by intimidation and fear. Since this is where they operate, they have no ability to cause any negative effects. They would have to be at least tone 30 to do it, in the area of postulates. They are more in the MINUS AREA ... in fear THEY WILL BE WIPED OUT BY THE POPULATIONS THEY SUPPRESSED.

so the game is ours. We are in position, to hold this place in tack, and it will happen.

let the force be with you.

jim

[Bill Ryan]

bump... :P

Bill...I can't see the pics in your last post L.E: I can now!

Didn't listen to the interview , didn't read the material yet , but can you explain why this time we don't apply the "If this is true why aren't astronomers all over the Planet screaming?"

1) Thanks -- if the original site (where the images are hosted) gets overwhelmed, I have them all archived here:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images.zip

2) Your question "If this is true why aren't astronomers all over the Planet screaming?" is the one major anomaly that bothers me and for which I have no good answer -- apart from that the 'second sun' very probably radiates strongly in the infrared and is not readily visible in the optical spectrum.

Many (but not all) other points of Pattie's claims align with data I already have and (see above) I'll itemize all this with the next 24 hours to make it as easy as possible for readers to follow my own thought process. I do think we should pay a little attention to this (which I am doing, as Pattie seems not to be a crackpot). I'd also be happy to see it debunked. :)

The images need careful analysis, but at first glance are compelling.

[Chip]

I have been following this now for 2 days. The sincerity and quality of the interview has peaked my interest and raised flags that synchronize with other related issues happening globally.
I just can't believe that if there are bodies out there orbiting a dwarf star that is our Sols twin, that would not have been reported by amateur experts around the world.
My problem also is my own ignorance when it comes to viewing planetary images of the type that she references in her link. It's odd that when I go to WWT and the various other apps that I have. The viewpoint imaging looks quite similar to the pictures that she took remotely from live telescopes. But I really wouldn't know the difference either way. I know I could screenshot some pics on google space or WWT and send them to someone and claim something entirely false.
I am anxious to hear from some experts regarding those pics that she took.
Does anyone know anybody who could anaylize these pics?

[MorningSong]

I found Mel's interview of Pattie about 2 hours ago....wow...interesting stuff..and with such short notice (sic!).

There is also this interview from Aug 4th:

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Ooops, Bill, is that the one you posted?

[Bill Ryan]

I found Mel's interview of Pattie about 2 hours ago....wow...interesting stuff..and with such short notice (sic!).

There is also this interview from Aug 4th:

Many thanks -- the audio from that is archived here, for easy download:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_Blog_Talk_Radio.mp3

[MorningSong]

Hshahahha, oh ok.

[MorningSong]

Here is an article out of Quebec on a big power failure they had Monday being blamed on tunderstorms.... hmmmm.


Power quickly restored to 400,000 across Quebec
CBC News
Posted: Aug 5, 2013 4:25 PM ET
Last Updated: Aug 5, 2013 6:12 PM ET



A major power failure left more than 400,000 without electricity on Monday afternoon.

The outage was caused by lightning strikes, which affected transmission lines from the Churchill Falls generating station in Newfoundland and Labrador.

The power had been restored to most clients about one hour after the massive outage.

Earlier in the day, the power failure left several Montreal-area neighbourhoods without electricity including Côte-des-Neiges–Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, Dollard-des-Ormeaux, St-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Châteauguay and parts of the Laurentians.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/08/05/quebec-hydro-electricity-major-outage.html

[Flash]

Granny, scientist are extremely well rehearsed in their expertise topic, they usually can talk about their topic off hand, no slide or whatsoever, for dayssssss. Due to years of concentrated efforts usually.

I would very much like to know for sure about her credentials, which university she went to, what was the topic of her thesis, when was it submitted (it could be found usually) if she was a main Stream scientist of course.

Edit: The power outage in Québec was from a supply line from Churchill Falls. Churchill Falls is quite north, in Newfoundland, and would be prime to be one of the first to be subjected to EMF from the sun I bet as well as the lines carrying the power be highly sensitive to heavy thunder. It has to be heavy because all of the Hydro power lines have been reinforced to sustain the elements after the ice storm we had decades ago.

We must have someone from Hydro Québec here on Avalon who could tell us what truly happened. Just post in when out of office.


The Churchill Falls power station has the third largest hydroelectric-generating capacity in North America (5,428 MW or 7,279,000 hp installed, expandable to about 6,300 MW or 8,400,000 hp) and is also the second largest underground power station in the world, after the Robert-Bourassa generating station in northern Quebec.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Falls

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If this information is accurate:
Dwarf star passing in between Earth and our Sun this month of August.
Orbiting that dwarf star are several planets, one bigger than Jupiter.
Orbits of nearby planets would be changed. Then amateur astronomers all over the Earth would be reporting major perturbations in the orbits of nearby planets.

Have any amateur astronomers found that any nearby planets are not located where they are expected to be?

[Bill Ryan]

If this information is accurate:

Dwarf star passing in between Earth and our Sun this month of August.
Orbiting that dwarf star are several planets, one bigger than Jupiter.
Then amateur astronomers all over the Earth would be reporting major perturbations in the orbits of nearby planets.

Have any amateur astronomers found that any nearby planets are not located where they are expected to be?

Yes, I agree. As best I know, no amateur astronomers have reported anything strange happening. This is the major anomaly in the whole thesis.

However, as I said above, there are other points which definitely align with other puzzle pieces I and others have been collecting for several years now.

Here's the synopsis (which I will enlarge upon later):

Pattie uses the term the second sun. The only other person I've ever heard using that term was Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann). He reported it to us here, following his exposure to the situation while working in a classified project within NOAA: http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_2.html


MUST READ : http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html -- a very credible whistleblower account reported to me by e-mail in 2009 predicting a threat to the grid. The article references other corroborating information in the public domain.


Back in 2007 I was contacted by another whistleblower (and again in early 2012 by the same man), saying that we would best be underground in preparation for a forecast solar event, the exact time of which was not precisely known. On questioning him, he said (as Pattie did) that a few feet underground would be sufficient. More later on this.


In 2008 I was sent a hand-drawn copy of a map that I was told was very similar to the official (classified) Navy maps, showing a predicted (or possible) new US coastline. This can be seen here. (http://projectavalon.net/US_Navy_revised_sea_level_map_sm.gif)


For more on some of the best research on the brown dwarf 'second sun', see Andy Lloyd's excellent site here: http://www.darkstar1.co.uk


George Green (http://projectcamelot.org/george_green.html), whom I count as a friend, has always maintained that senior USG, military and other officials have their 'tickets' to the underground bases all lined up. This is why no-one speaks out, he says: because if they blew the whistle, the 'tickets' for themselves and their families would be forfeited. (Self-interest is always the most effective 'carrot'.)


If anyone doubts the reality of the deep underground bases (DUMBs), do listen to this (very amusing) extract of my 2010 interview with Dr Bill Deagle. Just 6 mins, but well worth it: http://projectavaon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_14_April_2010_extract.mp3

[ThePythonicCow]

I would very much like to know for sure about her credentials, which university she went to, what was the topic of her thesis, when was it submitted (it could be found usually) if she was a main Stream scientist of course.
I don't think she's a scientist, but rather a smart, articulate, geeky technician.

When she blamed the Fukushima and Chile earthquakes on the "Second Sun", and then when she said "Sometime between the 17th and 26th, it's going to hit Seattle, and we're probably going to lose most of California, because it's going to be a plus fifteen (+15), because it's only going to be .32 AU away from us", she pretty much lost me :).

If that's a plus fifteen on the Richter scale, then that's several hundred to a thousand times stronger than the meteorite impact that created the Chicxulub crater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater) off the Yucatan peninsula some 66 million years ago, perhaps causing the mass dinosaur extinction at the end of the Cretaceous Period.

Several hundred times that ... imagine several hundred of those meteorites hitting earth all at once ... imagine that much force exerted on planet earth from a large mass that is perhaps as far away as Venus or Mars at its closest (one third the distance to the Sun) ... imagine how humongous such a large mass would have to be, to exert that much force on earth, from that distance ... far, far bigger than Venus or Mars ... only some of our more alert members and students of astrology even consciously notice the impact of Venus or Mars on Earth.

This would be a truly catastrophic, perhaps even earth shattering, event, from a truly massive object.

Would we earthlings notice that some of the surface flora, fauna, humans and infrastructure of California was lost ... or would some Californians notice that planet earth was lost from beneath their feet?

That such a truly massive object would be that close to us, and had been close in the past for the Fukushima and Chile earthquakes, and that we would know so precisely that it was going to be Seattle and California that were impacted, not (apparently) elsewhere ... I'm skeptical ... very skeptical.

That such an object would be that close just ten days from now ... but unnoticed now ... this reinforces my skepticism.

[Peace&Love]

Is there any information regarding the other continents, what is their destiny in case of such event?
Thank you.

[Flash]

Is there any information regarding the other continents, what is their destiny in case of such event?
Thank you.

Thanks, I was thinking the same. Americans always make maps ending at their northern border. Nothing exist past that in North America!!! I am fifty miles north of the border, could I have some information, couldn't they just extrapolate the map a little.

The St-Lawrence river supplies the great lakes. If the great lakes enlarge to make an inner sea, guess what, the St-Lawrence will swell and Montréal will be Under water. I would just like to have this confirmed within the US military studies, or Canadian ones (but we do not produce such maps it seems).

[SilentFeathers]

Drake on steroids!

I wouldn't trust this person.....just more of the same ole same ole, use caution folks.

These types of people with these types of stories are beginning to give me a migraine.

[EC1000]

That such an object would be that close just ten days from now ... but unnoticed now ... this reinforces my skepticism.

hi Paul-you said a lot of good things but I think this pretty much sums it up. We would already be seeing significant events here such as massive tidal waves and quakes, volcanic eruptions, etc. Gravity is a very powerful force (in this particular corner of reality;) )

[Freed Fox]

I'm with Paul, incredibly skeptical about this. There were several statements she made which sounded quite false. I wish I had wrote each of them down. One of the bigger issues which I can recall was her claim (made with what sounded like utmost certainty) that there is no ozone left on Earth at all. If that were the case, we'd be seeing much higher rates of cancer and death. Presumably the chemtrails are mitigating this (?), and while certainly sprayed heavily in some areas, I don't think they're quite thick enough to compensate for a complete lack of ozone. I could be wrong about that of course, but it was just one of the items which seemed to be highly suspect, IMO.

At least she offered a specific timeframe. I suppose we shall find out soon enough (unless of course she comes out later with some excuse as to why the situation has been 'delayed').

As a side note, I'm not sure why some people seem so eager to survive events like this. Would life on a devastated, post-apocalyptic Earth really be so worth living? Only if you're bloody terrified of death, I reckon.

[greybeard]

The challenge is that "Wolf" has been called so many times---what's different this time????
However there is a lot of circumstantial evidence.
The powers that be may not know specifics but for sure they think the underground facilities are necessary.
Underground cities would seem to have been built, The Chinese have built far in land, not only in their own country but in Africa too.
An old underground town found in Turkey.
Ancient "myth"
The nature of cycles.
Every possibility that there have been advanced human civilisations on earth.
Science has proved that there has been mass extinctions.
Planets in our solar system are going through change.
Remote viewers.
Cliff high.
Whistle blowers.
Who knows?

Chris

[EC1000]

As a side note, I'm not sure why people seem so eager to survive events like this. Would life on a devastated, post-apocalyptic Earth really be so worth living? Only if you're bloody terrified of death, I reckon.

Personally, I don't care about me so much, just my children.

But you know (also for me personally, based on my beliefs). At the end of the day, what will be will be. My own belief is in a "god" that has created the universe (s), dimensions, whatever is beyond, and all that is contained within. Everything exists exactly as it should be (no matter how much I may not like certain things), otherwise it wouldn't exist at all. At least that is the "reality" we currently exist in as far as I can tell. Worse than this possible event of the second sun, I am sure that stars and planets are actually smashing into each other on an almost daily basis throughout the universe (s). Why do we exist in this fashion? Who the hell really knows (including aliens, channeled beings, etc-sure some may know more than us) but here we are. And here are the stars, the suns (same thing I know just flows nicely), the moons, planets, etc. What will be, will be.
That being said, do i think if there was someone out there who truly believed they could prevent such things from occurring with their thoughts, I mean truly believed it, that things like this could be prevented? I would say definitely as I believe we create our own reality, we just don't really believe it yet..at least most of us (me). If we did, there would be no fear.
Sorry if i got a little OT, back to topic-um..I doubt this is legit..not as presented at least.

[Bill Ryan]

Is there any information regarding the other continents, what is their destiny in case of such event?
Thank you.

The most earthquake-unstable part of the globe is the Pacific 'ring of fire'. Europe and Africa should be comparatively 'shielded'.


Drake on steroids!

Made me laugh... :)


I'm with Paul, incredibly skeptical about this.

And so we should be. But I think we should also pay a little intelligent attention. See my post #20 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712327&viewfull=1#post712327) on the previous page.

In my view, we need to look at this quite carefully. Anyone who can assist us in that will be helping a lot of people out there -- this thread is already receiving a lot of guest views!

If we can put this one away, we will be doing the community a service. But to offer personal opinions, no matter how sincere, doesn't quite cut it... I'd suggest we need to look at the claimed facts, no matter how way out they may seem.

[Forevernyt]

Paul, not that I'm saying I believe all that I heard in the interview, but, I think you are forgetting that the "second sun" does not have to be gigantic to be massive. It can have a very high density and be somewhat smaller than our own sun. Now, that doesn't account for the alleged "blue" planet that's four times bigger than Jupiter. I guess we'll wait and see in a few weeks and when nothing happens, we'll all have a good laugh about it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, not that I'm saying I believe all that I heard in the interview, but, I think you are forgetting that the "second sun" does not have to be gigantic to be massive. It can have a very high density and be somewhat smaller than our own sun.
I didn't comment on the size, or density, of this "second sun", for just that reason :).

I didn't say that it would be so "big" we'd see it; I said it would be so massive that we'd notice it.

[CD7]

Wow what an interview!! And its been nice knowing you!! UG..

This resonates with me more then any other "warning" as I have been noticing so many unusual things happening in the last month within my own life. I have always been one who wants to experience and know it for myself and not just read it, hear it and believe it...

A few mornings ago I went for a walk and saw gigantic rays coming from the opposite direction-west...the sun was coming up in the east but covered by dark clouds so I thought perhaps an optical illusion and it still could be...but it was quite a site as the rays were very distinctive and long cast over half of the sky.

Travel has had unusual accidents all over the world in the last month...from planes, trains, automobiles, and buses
There was a lightening/ thunder storm last week tht was different for me as I felt tht the lightning was going in horizontal direction and not just vertical while on the ground...(it was different) Along with so many other phenomena tht I know others are experiencing

Id like to invision that along with these speculated events something magnanimous will occur in its wake

I seem to be directly in the line of fire...however I will be where im supposed to be, plain and simple. It is hard for anyone to "know" how something will happen in any event---it literally is anyones guess

[Forevernyt]

It's probably a bunch of whooey anyway to distract us from something else.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Looking at the map Bill posted, I am a bit freaked out. Florida is the size of the whole UK. Does that mean the UK will be submerged?! I live on the coast. Hope this is not true.

[ThePythonicCow]

However, as I said above, there are other points which definitely align with other puzzle pieces I and others have been collecting for several years now.
Yes - good list. So far as I know (less, I'm sure, than you know) these are all pieces of the puzzle before us.

These pieces, and others, can be put together to form many possible scenarios.

I'm comfortable betting my life that the scenario that Pattie Brassard has offered us isn't one of the possibilities. This is not to say that I'll like what actually happens any better :).

[Peace&Love]

My two cents: From all i have seen so far, i have never came across a source of information which was 100% correct and/or was able to predict an accurate future in this timeline we all share. I think many incredible forces are taking parts in our reality, in ways we cannot see and notice and we will not get the whole picture in our current human format.
True, i wonder what meaning life has here without humanity (like in the movie "Cast Away" with Tom Hanks).
I wish i would understand Astronomy so i could help out clear this issue in a professional manner, all we can do now is rely really on the fact that everybody wants to live and if something that big would be in the galactic horizon we would hear it from many other confirmed sources as well.

Peace, Joy & Love

[ThePythonicCow]

Looking at the map Bill posted, I am a bit freaked out. Florida is the size of the whole UK. Does that mean the UK will be submerged?! I live on the coast. Hope this is not true.

Florida is flat -- really flat. The highest point on the Florida peninsula is the top of Sugarloaf Mountain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugarloaf_Mountain_%28Florida%29), 312 feet (95 meters) above sea level.

Look for both elevation and distance from the ocean. There are places in the British Isles over 4400 feet (1340 meters) high. I am confident that some of the British Isles would remain above the sea level and beyond any tsunami's, in any such event.

[Bongo]

The interview its self seemed like it was based in fear by a person that has given up on life. The remarks at the end about the very serious health issues made me think that this was the desired outcome by the interviewee so she wouldn't have to bear the pain of life any longer.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Patties linkedin page: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pattie-brassard/14/114/199

[Bill Ryan]

-------

A further interview here (but the one with Mel Fabregas in post #1 is still the best):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFN13Be4dog

[Chip]

If we can put this one away, we will be doing the community a service. But to offer personal opinions, no matter how sincere, doesn't quite cut it... I'd suggest we need to look at the claimed facts, no matter how way out they may seem.

I agree!
Putting this "away" should be quite easy. We could either research research and more research to prove or disprove existing facts figures and paradigms. This fervent effort being lead by our most basic necessity triggered by our most primitive survival mechanism located in the Brain Stem (R-Complex) Survival! Listening to Pattie she alludes to the possibility of survival and continuation of our species. It's only natural for our lower order thinking to command our Limbic (emotional system) then commence to the Neocortex where we battle logic with expressive imagination separated by the two halves to come to some sort of Triune conclusion.

Geez, perhaps this is exactly the problem of the "thinking man".

Where am I going with this thought process?

Well, she dated herself! Perhaps an error but most definitely to our benefit. Aug 11 -17 she made very specific claims.
Just wait and see!
It's that simple
Any further emotional impact should truly be looked at as "what am I really afraid of".
It's personal for me. I can't speak for anyone else but I'm living no longer in fear and that is truly the enemy.
It's not that someone may have pulled the wool over my eyes with some false declaration of Doom.
Just my thought.
Love and Peace

[Snoweagle]

Pattie Brassard did say the second sun would pass around the outside of the planetary orbits of the solar system and it would be it's trailing group of seven planets that would pass close to our solar system planets including the earth.
She also stated the second sun emits microwaves, which means it would not be visible to us on earth by eye or by traditional amateur astronomers. She elaborated by stating the trailing group of planets could only be seen during sunrise and sunset particularly, now at least, in the southern hemisphere to the equator and would soon be visible to all very soon.
(Recollect also, in Antarctica the NWO built that infra red telescope with US tax dollars, allegedly "not" looking for the fictional Nibiru, yet pointing in the direction of where it was expected to come from and this topic of discussion now as it was then).
So, the largest of the trailing group of visiting planets, allegedly 3-4 times the size of Jupiter will pass 0.32AU from Earth and cause an eclipse for three days. This will be the cause of a major microwave bombardment from its surface towards Earth as we conversely eclipse this planet from its own microwave emitting sun (the second sun), just to add to the geophysical, geomagnetic and geo everything type calamity already impacting us.

Skeptical? Why would that be relevant if this will be noticeable within the next 2 weeks? This brings to a close a 10 year conspiracy theory, that's a slam dunk plus for alternative media and forums.

We will lose the internet and communications. So everybody will be without support. You're on your own.

Crushed and collapsed DUMBs due to Earth mantle pressures does give one that warm satisfied tummy feeling though, a deep smiley sleep tonight and every night for two weeks has to be worth a little belief.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Look at this from 2004: http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/images/2638-ssc2004-05d-Orbit-Comparisons


These four panels show the location of the newly discovered planet-like object, dubbed "Sedna," which lies in the farthest reaches of our Solar System. Each panel, moving clockwise from the upper left, successively zooms out to place Sedna in context.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The images are taken from this website:

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3427/

[zebowho]

I'm normally skeptical with these types of dooms day interviews but this one feels different. Very different. I'll stop there with my opinion...

On to the matter of amateur astronomers and if there was something they would be shouting from the roof. Well, we have two telescopes in the family, both Meade 4.5in refractors and I can tell you that if thermal imaging is required to see this thing, that would not only be hard to accomplish but extremely expensive (regular optics are expensive enough). In some cases to the point of being prohibitive. In my quick search, thermal cameras alone cost from $2000.00 up to over $20K and this doesn't even take into account how you would mount it on the scope. Most thermal cameras I looked at had the built in type of lenses so a mount would have to be custom fabricated. I'm not saying it cannot be done, just not very probable. In fact I'll even go out on a limb and say if this thing has to be detected in any way other than optical then most of the amateur community would be blind sided because anything other than optical (plus the different filters) would be specialized and probably hard to find in the public markets.

Its possible I'm missing something for thermal imaging with telescopes but so far I'm only seeing the above.

-z

[Fred Steeves]

B3qz0vWl0OY

[ThePythonicCow]

Skeptical? Why would that be relevant if this will be noticeable within the next 2 weeks?
I'm skeptical because the details don't make sense. She's baffling us with a lot of scientific sounding details, mixed in with a variety of fear mongering stories, that make no dang sense, either by conventional astronomical physics, nor by such alternative astronomical physics as the Electric Universe (http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/).

Here's one more detail that doesn't match up. She claims (repeatedly) that one needs thermographic equipment to view this second sun, but that it only emits ultraviolet radiation, not visible light. Thermography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography) works on infrared radiation, lower frequency than visible light. Ultraviolet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet) refers to a band of the spectrum at higher frequency than visible light. If something's only emitting ultraviolet radiation, then infrared thermographic equipment will be even less useful than visible light optical equipment in viewing it.

That she has a specific date range in her forecast doesn't make me any less skeptical.

[SilentFeathers]

Paul, at least she is not saying this event is months away, but actually only days away.

This is great news to me because within a couple weeks or so she'll be old news and we'll either all be dead or laughing our asses off again about another doomsday monger......either way it's better than thread after thread about this nonsense like the Drake scenario etc caused.

PS: she isn't making sense to me either.....and giving us a date and an actual richter number for the quake at 15, sheesh, no one can be that precise with such events.

California gone by the end of the month???????????????? yeah right!

as I said before, "Drake on steroids!"

ADDED: Then again I may just go buy a camper and rent a bobcat to dig a hole for it!

[ThePythonicCow]

The main problem I have with disputing Pattie Brassard's testimony is that it's riddled with confusions. I can shoot them down, one at a time, but it takes me a paragraph to dispute each misleading phrase, and that gets too tedious, both for me and the reader, and even that would not be convincing to those who don't have a firm and confident grasp of the physics and astronomy involved. Those who do have such a grasp will come to their own conclusions, with little need for my bloviating.

[ThePythonicCow]

The images are taken from this website:

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3427/

Excellent find!

She says she recorded those images "last week" (or some such, I forget the exact phrase) on a remotely controlled telescope.

Those images on the page you linked were posted March 11, 2010.

I can see no interpretation for this other than she's lying.

===

P.S. -- See correction and updates below (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712403&viewfull=1#post712403).

[Dennis Leahy]

...to offer personal opinions, no matter how sincere, doesn't quite cut it...

Hi Bill,

You'd prefer not to hear opinions, or you're asking us not to add posts that are strictly opinion? It's all I have. I'm not an amateur astronomer, nor could I intelligently read sky photos to discern what objects I would be looking at. I'll remind us that what I said about Drake, when I first heard him: (paraphrasing) "I believe he believes the info is true." I'd say, it's possible that this 'Patty Brassard' person believes herself, so she's not a "liar." In my opinion (sorry) this is hogwash. Worse, it is likely some "smoke" the magicians are using to distract something else we are not supposed to notice. Or, it is just another blast of poop to fill up our tinfoil hats, and anyone that repeats any of this is immediately - and permanently - discredited.

In the unlikely event that this info is true, remember that your seat cushion can be used as a flotation device. :~) And, as I don't happen to have a hole in the dirt to keep from frying, I'll see you all "on the other side." You can easily recognize me - I'll be the blob of bright green light with the big grin.

Dennis

[Snoweagle]

She says she recorded those images "last week" (or some such, I forget the exact phrase) on a remotely controlled telescope.

Those images on the page you linked were posted March 11, 2010.

I can see no interpretation for this other than she's lying.

No Paul, that is not what she said. (She is certainly techy geeky, which I enjoy).
Her linked web page with those photos clearly attribute ownership to her own and those of NASA. An excellent find I agree, though she clearly stated her own photos were of the "pole of Mars" and the "bright object".
Furthermore the article that Pattie took the photos (astrobio link) were discussing the following:
A recently-discovered dwarf planet, named Sedna, has an extra-long and usual elliptical orbit around the Sun. Sedna is one of the most distant objects yet observed, with an orbit ranging between 76 and 975 AU (where 1 AU is the distance between the Earth and the Sun). Sedna’s orbit is estimated to last between 10.5 to 12 thousand years. Sedna’s discoverer, Mike Brown of Caltech, noted in a Discover magazine article that Sedna’s location doesn’t make sense.

Even that article gives a cyclic period of 12k years and not 3.6k years as Pattie alluded which was the same as Nibiru.

Maybe Bill or Kerry could Skype her?

[giovonni]

My thanks to Mel Fabregas for an excellent interview (and share) with this interview with the so called 'whistleblower' Pattie L. Brassard ... Note in my opinion most of this information appears accurate... But one should also note most of this information has been out there for a while now just waiting to be compiled and delivered perhaps in such a dubious way?

The only real problem i have with all this is, when dates are predicted flags start waving in my head... And i am presently inclined to sense (and believe) that individuals such as Pattie L. Brassard, are usually groomed (fed info) ... Then purposely turned out by their handler's (groomers) often becoming disgruntled employees ... As she says and indicates in the interview... Health wise 'i am the walking dead' ... Which indicates perhaps a wanting desire to see everything come undone and collapse as she has concisely dictated ?

[Bill Ryan]

Here's one more detail that doesn't match up. She claims (repeatedly) that one needs thermographic equipment to view this second sun, but that it only emits ultraviolet radiation, not visible light. Thermography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography) works on infrared radiation, lower frequency than visible light. Ultraviolet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet) refers to a band of the spectrum at higher frequency than visible light. If something's only emitting ultraviolet radiation, then infrared thermographic equipment will be even less useful than visible light optical equipment in viewing it.


Paul, I'm with you re some of Pattie's confusion. I agree. But I'd just like to point out there's plenty of intelligent, informed opinion that the brown dwarf binary companion radiates strongly in the infrared (hence IRAS (http://irsa.ipac.caltech.edu/IRASdocs/iras.html.), some say). Any ultraviolet radiation may be a more local effect -- my guess. (But then if there was IR and UV, one might expect the visible spectrum to be there, too.)


Then again I may just go buy a camper and rent a bobcat to dig a hole for it!

That worries me -- that in the third interview I posted on the previous page (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712365&viewfull=1#post712365), Pattie is strongly encouraging people to go bury their $50,000 campers under a mound of dirt. That's a big decision! (Especially when nothing happens.)

She's also encouraging people to pack their bags and leave their houses immediately if they're anywhere near the coast. Also a huge decision.

Caveat: I am not encouraging people to do anything of the sort. But I'm also not writing this off quite yet. It has my attention today, for what that's worth. See my post #20 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712327&viewfull=1#post712327) on the first page. As Silentfeathers says (rightly!) the good news -- sort of! -- is that we only have a short time to find out is this is nonsense.

In the meantime, what might not be too insane or ridiculous could be to invest in some stuff, not too expensively, that would not be a waste of money and would be used at some point anyway: like rice, sugar, tuna, flour, quinoa, pasta, honey, dried fruit, tahini, peanut butter, tea, coffee, dried milk, water filters, matches, candles, etc. And some stocks of diesel or gasoline if you already have a generator. Most readers here will know the drill and will already have given this some serious thought. No harm at all in doing that. There are plenty of reasons why those kind of simple, inexpensive reserves could be useful at some point in the next couple of years. No way to lose.



...to offer personal opinions, no matter how sincere, doesn't quite cut it...

Hi Bill,

You'd prefer not to hear opinions, or you're asking us not to add posts that are strictly opinion? It's all I have.

Dennis, anything you write is always totally appreciated by me and almost everyone else on the forum. It's always intelligent, sincere, and positive, and entertaining to read.

It's the one-liners like "I don't believe any of this BS" (<-- invented example!) that aren't very helpful, don't move the discussion forwards, and just take up space on the the thread. That was the only point I was making -- also to encourage good researchers (Amzer Zo, where are you?!) to chip in as much as possible with their insights.



The images are taken from this website:

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3427/

Excellent find!

She says she recorded those images "last week" (or some such, I forget the exact phrase) on a remotely controlled telescope.

Those images on the page you linked were posted March 11, 2010.

I can see no interpretation for this other than she's lying.

Thanks for that. But not all the images seem to be old ones. As Snoweagle said above, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712388&viewfull=1#post712388)


Her linked web page with those photos clearly attribute ownership to her own and those of NASA. An excellent find I agree, though she clearly stated her own photos were of the "pole of Mars" and the "bright object".

These (as far as I can see) are not old images. They're called Capture-4.jpg, Capture-5.jpg, Capture-6.jpg, and Thermal_Look.jpg. Please correct me if I'm wrong or have missed something.

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-4.jpg
Capture-4.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg
Capture-5.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-6.jpg
Capture-6.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Thermal_Look.jpg
Thermal_Look.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

She says she recorded those images "last week" (or some such, I forget the exact phrase) on a remotely controlled telescope.

Those images on the page you linked were posted March 11, 2010.

I can see no interpretation for this other than she's lying.

No Paul, that is not what she said.





She says she recorded those images "last week" (or some such, I forget the exact phrase) on a remotely controlled telescope.

Those images on the page you linked were posted March 11, 2010.

I can see no interpretation for this other than she's lying.

Thanks for that. But not all the images seem to be old ones. As Snoweagle said above, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712388&viewfull=1#post712388)


Her linked web page with those photos clearly attribute ownership to her own and those of NASA. An excellent find I agree, though she clearly stated her own photos were of the "pole of Mars" and the "bright object".


Ah - thanks - I stand corrected. The NASA images from earlier years are not the ones she claimed to have taken recently.

Sorry about that.

[Magnus]

Patties mentioning of the second sun being observable only in UV, made me remember this (for whatever it possibly could be worth):

"At the east of the world stands
The Midnight Mountain.
Eternally his light is performing.
The human being's eye can not see him,
And still he is there.

Above the Midnight Mountain shines
The Black Sun.
The human being's eye can not see her,
And still she is there.

In the interior her light lights up.
The brave and the just ones are secluded -
Still the deity is with them.”

You will find the text here: http://www.illuminatiorder.info/krad/itanimulli/balibu-e.html

The color of the text are the same as the background - black. You have to highlight the text to be able to read it.

The second sun, the black sun, viewable only in black light, UV?

[Atlas]

This may well be off thread but NASA says the comet of the century (http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/display.cfm?News_ID=43124) will come Dec. 26 as close as .42au from Earth. Did Pattie say .32au ?

[ThePythonicCow]

But I'm also not writing this off quite yet. It has my attention today, for what that's worth. See my post #20 on the first page. As Silentfeathers says (rightly!) the good news -- sort of! -- is that we only have a short time to find out is this is nonsense.

In the meantime, what might not be too insane or ridiculous could be to invest in some stuff, not too expensively, that would not be a waste of money and would be used at some point anyway: like rice, sugar, tuna, flour, quinoa, pasta, honey, dried fruit, tahini, peanut butter, tea, coffee, dried milk, water filters, matches, candles, etc. And some stocks of diesel or gasoline if you already have a generator. Most readers here will know the drill and will already have given this some serious thought. No harm at all in doing that. There are plenty of reasons why those kind of simple, inexpensive reserves could be useful at some point in the next couple of years. No way to lose.
Yes - we face serious threats - perhaps catastrophic threats - from both natural (astronomical) and human (or other advanced species) sources. Indeed, if we properly understood the underlying physics of it all, it may not be just a coincidence that these two threats grow stronger at similar times.

Yes, I continue to prepare, in much the ways you list.

Over the top and deeply confused distractions, such as this case appears to be to me, don't serve us well however. Such distractions serve better the objectives of the bastards in power who are the origins, in conjunction with our own fears, of our other main threat.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Did Pattie say .32ua ?
I believe that Pattie said .32 AU, yes.

[PHARAOH]

As amateur astronomer myself; I can say all seems well in the distance. Nothing to really report. If this were true, we would have seen effects on the outer planets as they would have been pulled and spun out of their axis and alignments by now. These changes would have been clearly visible to the naked eye.

I have seen a comet stream across the sky as I gazed at "Mini Coat Hanger" and have also seen an "Unidentified" object, move across the sky as I looked into the darkness of space all from my 1.25" eyepiece.

Although, these experiences have left such an indelible impression on me that I will carry them with me for the rest of my life. All is well, All will be well!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

But I'd just like to point out there's plenty of intelligent, informed opinion that the brown dwarf binary companion radiates strongly in the infrared (hence IRAS, some say)
My recollection, perhaps incorrect, is that Pattie said that this "Second Sun" radiated only in the ultraviolet.

I'm confident that you are correct that brown dwarfs radiate strongly in the infrared.

So, if I have my facts correct, Pattie's error was not in using thermographic (infrared) equipment to see it, but in claiming it only radiates in the ultraviolet spectrum.

[ThePythonicCow]

But I'd just like to point out there's plenty of intelligent, informed opinion that the brown dwarf binary companion radiates strongly in the infrared (hence IRAS, some say)
My recollection, perhaps incorrect, is that Pattie said that this "Second Sun" radiated only in the ultraviolet.

I'm confident that you are correct that brown dwarfs radiate strongly in the infrared.
Wikipedia catalogs the spectral classes of brown dwarfs: Classification of brown dwarfs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf#Classification_of_brown_dwarfs).

It appears that brown dwarfs radiate mostly in the yellow and reddish end of the visible spectrum, down into the infrared region. Most of them are visible in the spectrum seen by the human eye, except for the very coldest brown dwarfs.

I see no indication that they radiate noticeably in the higher frequencies such as ultraviolet.

[hettleman]

According to Pattie, if we have no "hidey hole" by the end of Aug., we are toast. As much as I would like to dismiss this interview/info, I cannot. Our sky was completely overcast yesterday and we had a smell of garbage. I read on a forum that we would smell this smell with the "dust" coming/already here.

I have viewed these videos of "earth changes" which are news stories compiled throughout the world on geographical events in a one or two week period, in July of this year. I do believe we are seeing the changes and evidence supporting Pattie's claims. Our sunsets are different. Magenta is the color.

SO...being a believer in the power in "our oneness" I think it's time we get to work, collectively. Putting a magnetic shield around the planet, neutralizing the radiation and even repositioning our planet or the incoming planet to a distance out of harms way. One of my favorite quotes is, "Anything is possible to he who believes".

I am glad to see this on P.A. and thank you Bill for your input and links.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

[COLOR="purple"][I]As amateur astronomer myself; I can say all seems well in the distance. Nothing to really report. If this were true, we would have seen effects on the outer planets as they would have been pulled and spun out of their axis and alignments by now. These changes would have been clearly visible to the naked eye.

Absolute evidence here! :thumb:

If we get a mega-quake, it will be for some other reason.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

In the meantime, what might not be too insane or ridiculous could be to invest in some stuff, not too expensively, that would not be a waste of money and would be used at some point anyway: like rice, sugar, tuna, flour, quinoa, pasta, honey, dried fruit, tahini, peanut butter, tea, coffee, dried milk, water filters, matches, candles, etc. And some stocks of diesel or gasoline if you already have a generator. Most readers here will know the drill and will already have given this some serious thought. No harm at all in doing that. There are plenty of reasons why those kind of simple, inexpensive reserves could be useful at some point in the next couple of years. No way to lose.


A very wise statement Bill.

Preparation for interruptions in the food supply and a plan of how to get clean water is so important. If people start prepping as the result of reading this thread, then this thread will have been most valuable.

Something difficult (food riots, earth changes, economic adversity, etc.) is coming our way. A little prepping can help mitigate the fear and starve the dark side.

[SilentFeathers]

I don't think this is the mesenger we all need to listen to, but, probably sooner than later someone will come on the scene speaking like things that''ll seem outrageous and ridiculous and we will (most of us) just know it's true (or mostly true) and with what most of us already know, we won't be able to deny it's seriousness and validity....It will make sense to us with a powerful urgency.

This messenger's message doesn't add up, and besides, most of it's old news being twisted into a new twist, trying to make new news.

Regardless, prepare for anything in a common sense way, we ARE in VERY unpredictable times.

[ThePythonicCow]

At 7:35 in the interview with Mel Febregas, Mel asks Pattie:


Tell me what is the distance between us and the Second Sun by now.
Pattie replies:


Well, I couldn't tell you right now, but it's [set to pass (?)] which is going to be on the 17th. It's going to be .32. It's going to be directly between us and the Sun, which is, you know, going to be a major gravity issue.
I am gathering, from everything in her background (computer geek, not astronomer), and from this answer that she doesn't know how far the Second Sun is from us right now, that she has not done the orbital calculations herself, and almost certainly couldn't do them. She can only "know" that this "Second Sun" going to be between earth and the Sun on the 17th of August (ten days from now) because someone told her that. Moreover, and for the same reasons, she can only "know" that the celestial objects she saw on the telescope were the "Second Sun" because someone told her that. I see no evidence that she has her own expert knowledge that what she saw was the "Second Sun", nor how far away it is now, nor where it will be in ten days.

Our sun may well have a solar companion, a twin star, and that twin may well be in a relatively closer part of its orbit to the Sun now. But I'd wager a pretty penny that that orbit doesn't take it inside the earth's orbit, and that if it did take it there, the orbits (and even very existence) of the inner planets would not be so stable as they are, and that if by some unexplained mechanism it was going that close to the Sun in ten days anyway, it would already have been massively (and almost certainly visibly) noticeable for sometime now, wrecking havoc through the solar system.

That she didn't even have display any curiosity as to the orbital mechanics of our Sun, and this Second Sun, and as to the Second Sun's relative distance from earth right now ... this suggests to me that she is seriously missing some clues, and being fed some of the apparent clues she does have.

[SilentFeathers]

At 7:35 in the interview with Mel Febregas, Mel asks Pattie:


Tell me what is the distance between us and the Second Son by now.
Pattie replies:


Well, I couldn't tell you right now, but it's [set to pass (?)] which is going to be on the 17th. It's going to be .32. It's going to be directly between us and the Son, which is, you know, going to be a major gravity issue.
I am gathering, from everything in her background (computer geek, not astronomer), and from this answer that she doesn't know how far the Second Son is from us right now, that she has not done the orbital calculations herself, and almost certainly couldn't do them. She can only "know" that this "Second Son" going to be between earth and the Son on the 17th of August (ten days from now) because someone told her that. Moreover, and for the same reasons, she can only "know" that the celestial objects she saw on the telescope were the "Second Son" because someone told her that. I see no evidence that she has her own expert knowledge that what she saw was the "Second Son", nor how far away it is now, nor where it will be in ten days.

Our sun may well have a solar companion, a twin star, and that twin may well be in a relatively closer part of its orbit to the Sun now. But I'd wager a pretty penny that that orbit doesn't take it inside the earth's orbit, and that if it did take it there, the orbits (and even very existence) of the inner planets would not be so stable as they are, and that if by some unexplained mechanism it was going that close to the Sun in ten days anyway, it would already have been massively (and almost certainly visibly) noticeable for sometime now, wrecking havoc through the solar system.

That she didn't even have display any curiosity as to the orbital mechanics of our Sun, and this Second Son, and as to the Second Son's relative distance from earth right now ... this suggests to me that she is seriously missing some clues, and being fed some of the apparent clues she does have.

I personally think she is putting her own spin on it....or in laymens terms, "making s**t up".

That's not just my opinion, it's what I sense.....I trust my own intuition, it's right more often than it's wrong. I'm sensing red flags with this woman BIGTIME.

[SunSea]

Hi, very interesting conversation here. I haven't read all comments yet. I appreciate all the analysis going on. Warning: Here is a personal reaction to a point made in this statement"

"Dwarf star passing in between Earth and our Sun this month of August.
Orbiting that dwarf star are several planets, one bigger than Jupiter."

Ahhhh......this sounds ridiculous to me! Something of this magnitude would surely have been seen by others and clearly the affects of something this huge would ALREADY have been devastating.

[christian]

As for all the circumstantial evidence, I believe TPTB are very happy to produce all that evidence for us to make us believe that a catastrophe happens so that we get into fear.


If what Pattie says is true, it is a little late to prepare. She says you need to be underground 3 feet inside a faraday cage for 6 to 8 weeks because the Earth's magnetic field will go down. If you are on the surface you will be fried by ultra violet light and microwave radiation. She says the people in the D.U.M.B.s will probably be crushed, if that makes you feel any better. I live in the Vegas area and in the last 2 1/2 weeks, our power has gone off 4 times which is unusual.

I think that kind of says it all. I believe that many people would have gotten an intuitive warning, if all of this was about to happen. I think I didn't get the warning, because it's not gonna happen and because I should focus on doing what I'm doing anyways.

Cosmic events could easily come along and wipe out everything on the face of the Earth, I think the main deterrent from that is the collective consciousness of the inhabitants of the planet, the conciousness of the planet itself, and those around the planet who focus their intention on the planet also have an influence. Just as lasers can be bent and the results of throwing coins can be influenced by focused intention.

I'm also in contact with a very skilled remote viewer and neither he nor any of his colleagues have gotten anything about such an event.

I do make general preparations for a system change and the chaos that is probably involved, I do consider severe weather a possibility, maybe due to cosmic events. I got a bug-out bag with all the essentials and would even have a proper shelter if I could have, I think that is common sense if you can afford it. But preparing for the whole world being fried for several weeks and even D.U.M.B.'s being crushed? Then I might leave the planet anyways.

... I have important things to do in September. :)

[Limor Wolf]

I don't think this is the mesenger we all need to listen to, but, probably sooner than later someone will come on the scene speaking like things that''ll seem outrageous and ridiculous and we will (most of us) just know it's true (or mostly true) and with what most of us already know, we won't be able to deny it's seriousness and validity....It will make sense to us with a powerful urgency.



Has anyone knows or follows Professor James McCanney and his comet information? I've been told he has been warning about planet -x for twenty years and now it's coming true

In March this year he has posted this in his blog:


" February 27, 2013 posting … !!!!!!!!!!!!! EMERGENCY ANNOUNCEMENT … DISINFORMATION UPDATE !!!! THE DISINFO CREW IS AT IT AGAIN … AT LEAST 2 YOUTUBE POSTINGS ARE TRYING TO IMPERSONATE ME AND PASS FALSE INFORMATION … there are at least 2 youtube videos posted recently by nameless disinformation agents placing my voice making it look like I am saying that a planet X object is coming into the solar system at this time … THIS IS NOT TRUE … I AM NOT SAYING ANY SUCH THING … AND THIS IS WHY I NEVER POST ON YOUTUBE OR ANY OTHER MEDIUM EXCEPT MY OWN WEB PAGE … what they have done is chopped segments of a 2004 program of mine and posted a February 2013 date on the face and posted on youtube under 2 different names making it sound like I am stating planet X object is now in the solar system … then in the listener comments they of course post many slams trying to make me look like a nut case making false predictions of planet X … I AM CURRENTLY WORKING WITH YOUTUBE TO HAVE THESE POSTINGS REMOVED … this should show you that I am succeeding in informing the public of REAL events and exposing the government bogus tier II science for what it is … this type of misinformation is their form of damage control as we head into this year of GREAT COMETs in which NASA and their fairy tale science will be exposed worldwide for the garbage that it is and my Plasma Discharge Comet Model will become the clear truth on the topic of comets and the electrical nature of our solar system … this comes also as I am about the release my latest book (see the next posting) … it seems someone is afraid of my success … Jim mccanney "

http://www.jmccsci.com/

Here is his last interview from 2 August COAST TO COAST -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS2s2ITw9dA
I just wonder if anyone can comment on his work, especially his last findings,
Maybe Bill can give his own impression

[Bill Ryan]

I don't think this is the mesenger we all need to listen to, but, probably sooner than later someone will come on the scene speaking like things that''ll seem outrageous and ridiculous and we will (most of us) just know it's true (or mostly true) and with what most of us already know, we won't be able to deny it's seriousness and validity....It will make sense to us with a powerful urgency.



Has anyone knows or follows Professor James McCanney and his commet information? I've been told he has been warning about planet -x for twenty years and now it's coming true

[...]

Here is his last interview from 2 August COAST TO COAST -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS2s2ITw9dA

I just wonder if anyone can comment on his work, especially his last findings,
Maybe Bill can give his own impression


Downloading now to listen. Thank you! :)

I suggest we have to bear in mind the probability (at least to many) that 'Planet X' -- whatever it is -- is a real object. Personally, I feel pretty sure of that. Exactly where it is is a different question. I still agree that it's highly anomalous that this has not been reported by any amateur astronomers, as best I know -- which it should have been if it's anywhere close.

For those who have never seen this, here's the 1983 Washington Post article which announced its discovery -- and soon after, all references completely disappeared from the public domain.


http://projectavalon.net/Planet_X_Washington_Post_1983_p1.gif


The transcript is here (including the rest of the article, not shown above):

http://planet-x.150m.com/washpost.html

[schneider]

There is another interview with Pattie that was conducted last night,Tuesday, on revolution radio with Steven D. Kelley 8-10pm e.d.t. I missed the first hour of the show but Steven asked her to come back next Tuesday for another show and she agreed. The show is archived but you need to pay like 5 dollars to hear the archives. Also, I am going to send an email to James McCanney who specializes in comets and planet X type astronomical bodies and get his take on this matter. His website is www.jmccsci.com

[lookbeyond]

Ok, hav just seen this thread, there is something that my husband and i saw in night sky for 2 nights running last week, i dont know if it is at all related... a massive "star" where there normally isnt one, and now its not there anymore, lb

[norman]

Hi, very interesting conversation here. I haven't read all comments yet. I appreciate all the analysis going on. Warning: Here is a personal reaction to a point made in this statement"

"Dwarf star passing in between Earth and our Sun this month of August.
Orbiting that dwarf star are several planets, one bigger than Jupiter."

Ahhhh......this sounds ridiculous to me! Something of this magnitude would surely have been seen by others and clearly the affects of something this huge would ALREADY have been devastating.


That all depends on how fast it's moving.

Like Bill, I have a serious instinctive alarm sense for something like this. Speaking just for myself here, I believe ALL the data we have ( from the whole human system, bunkers, economic suicide, martial law prepping, and on and on ) indicates that something like this is the missing piece of the puzzle.

She may well be an outrider for the cabal, or she could be for real. I won't bet either way on this.

If this isn't it, I still think something like it is the most likely scenario we have to expect.

edit:

In the bible it says stuff fell out of the sky. Ok, you can say the bible was edited in Nicaea but someone must have written it down in the first place. The fact those who chose it for the bible wanted lots of scary stuff included, doesn't invalidate the origination of it.

[RunningDeer]

Deleted because it was off topic from the cosmic direction everyone is going. But added it again.

I've spent way, way too much time on this. I'm hitting the send button. The End.

Pattie Brassard bio/resume reads like she’s a one-person-show. Also, most of what she offers on the video, we’ve heard from other sources. Except rent equipment to dig the hole and bury a camper.

Mel states - “It’s been 34 years since we went to the moon. (20th July, 1969 = 44 years) Since you worked for NASA. Why haven’t..."

Here, Pattie Brassard skirts the question by interrupting. She didn’t catch that it was 44 years, not 34 years. That may be picky on my part. But I’m trying to fill in the timeline.

quick link @ 22:48 (http://youtu.be/ye9BgvNvjK0?t=22m48s)

Mel - "This information you discovered on your own but did you hear about this before you worked for NASA? "

Pattie @ 23:57 (http://youtu.be/ye9BgvNvjK0?t=23m57s), again doesn't answer, but goes on to say.

“...There’s tons of stuff. I seen the studio where they faked the other landings. I’ve seen tons of stuff that they air bushed out before they put it on their servers for their public. I built their computer lab. “I brought them streaming into the 20th century. (i.e., 21st) They use to be on Windows 3.0 network....” “...I brought them up to Windows 95.”

“Seen the studio and tons of stuff.” This lexicon doesn’t match a computer geek with supposedly lots to training and responsibility.

This is her bio/resume (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pattie-brassard/14/114/199) for the comment “...I brought them (NASA) up to Windows 95.” I looked up the date for Windows 95 = August 24, 1995.

Listed from her resume & below that her formal education. Not enough in my estimation for NASA is hire her for implied importance of “...I brought them (NASA) up to Windows 95.”

November 1994 – October 1995 (1 year)
Computer Convention Setups Computer Delivery / Setups For
Computer Conference / Convention Rentals Build / Customize Computer Load Sets IBM/MAC Per Clients Spec. Overhead & Big Screen Inter- Operating Systems Connectivity
 @ N.A.S.A. Kennedy Space Center 
 Network Training Classes lab setup
Owner
COMP - U - TECH INC.

Pattie Brassard’s Education:

USArmy Natl. Guard 26th Divarty HHQ, Rehoboth, MA
NCO, Command
1990 – 1991

USArmy Reserve 117th/ P.S.C. 94th ARCOM
24 C, communications Tech
1984 – 1989

New England Institute of Technology
AS, Electromechanical, PC board design
1986 – 1987

Hall Institute Of Technology
Certificate, Electro - mechanical Drafting &
1985 – 1986

AIT Fort Bliss, USArmy
16D10, Hawk Missle system
1983 – 1984


Jack-of-all-trades, Pattie's also an expert in space travel.
I only photoshopped the bottom left image in. It's on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/PattieBFine).
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/pattie_zps89707041.jpg

[cloud9]

I tried really hard not to post... in this thread... but... I just can't help it.

I listened to the interview and nothing this person says sounds real or sincere.
During the first part she(he?) says stuff that nowadays is everywhere on the internet and that has been discussed here for years so nothing new has been said, nothing wrong with it but this story reminds me of the guy in Texas who was an actor and did a video saying he worked for Nasa, remember? He was saying similar things and he was very credible, he was a good actor; this person is not.

If you or any human being knew for sure about a catastrophe of such magnitude that could destroy most life on this planet... would this person be so calm, anxiety free and collected? I don't think so...
She(he?) as many others says that we should prepare... for what? If we are going to die there's nothing we can do to avoid it. Survival after an event of this nature doesn't seem such a good option; actually it seems the worst option.

Please don't believe any of this. If it was true, we would be already feeling the effects of such humongous celestial bodies, other planets in the solar system would be already affected and trust me, we wouldn't be living our normal lives right now. The pictures in her/his website can be anything.... just take any image from google sky and work with them a little bit to make them appear as what you are conveying, even graphics can be made, etc.

What I'm really saying is: This story and this person are fake, just analyze the tone of her voice and you would know in your heart. Nobody would be able to relate such things without emotion. People cry when they loose their pets, why this human being is so collected when describing such possible events with no sense of urgency, fear or at least some worry or sadness? It's impossible!

gFSPWC8TKnk

[SunSea]

Hi Christian, well said. I totally agree with you.;)

**********
It is a really good idea to be prepared but in a sensible way. I think my intuition is really quite good also. And......this event is no where in my sensing fields.. There IS the element of consciousness in ALL of this. For the most part our senses have been very limited. There is a MUCH larger story going on here and I'm sure we aren't aware of most of it. But......I am optimistic! I think we have massive amounts of benevolent beings working on the rehabilitation and ascention of this planet. We all, are a part of that, of course.. and I suspect we are protected more then we know. There are ones who don't want this upliftment to occur, as we know. Here is another question I raise about Patti.... From her credentials (and we assume they are legit) she has been working knee deep with the "other side" for a lot of years. How has this affected her on a personal level (on other levels)? The information she gives is all coming from THAT source.... Now that must be kept in mind. They are experts at disinformation and forming public opinion with falsehoods. Could this woman be, being used to some extent? After all these years, my mind has become VERY suspicious and questioning.

I wont say any more then that other then, don't get pulled into some lower vibrating frequency like worry and fear. That certainly isn't a good contribution at this time for sure. :dance:

[gripreaper]

I don't have an RV that I can bury in my backyard for a safe and secure "hidey hole" because a large object is coming in real close real soon to cause major havoc that NO amateur astronomers have seen yet. I'm jumpin this thread.

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/15/XzUCXuHmnkWKX3ssBUqdRA2.gif

[WEAREONE]

Still have not seen where the "scientists credentials" have been checked, did I miss it in a post??

My common sense screams out if (the sister dwarf sun, black sun, planet X, Nibiru, whatever it's called) was only a week or two away, surely there would be changes to be noticed.

For me there is the Religious Manipulation missing from the discussion. This huge potentially human life ending event is a week away, and we have not heard of the second coming, Mohammed did not re-appear, Antichrist has not claimed his fame, The Annunaki mothership is not floating above our skies etc, etc, etc, .... Wouldn't it seem a great tragedy to all these gods that they would have missed the boat and in a week or two the whole story is pretty much over??/

In my opinion there will likely be some more Religious/Spiritual manipulation tied in with whatever potentially human life ending event that comes our way, it seems to much effort has been invested to not have it appear, and if were just 2 weeks away the Spiritual Manipulators, whomever they are(Archons? I dunno??) should be stepping up the effort.

[Bill Ryan]

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Coast to Coast interview with Andy Lloyd (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk), just 4 days ago:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TMUrgEb-a0

[Bill Ryan]

I'm jumpin this thread.

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/15/XzUCXuHmnkWKX3ssBUqdRA2.gif




It's gonna be okay. :)

http://projectavalon.net/Cat_space_jump_2.gif

[RunningDeer]

Still have not seen where the "scientists credentials" have been checked, did I miss it in a post??

No science credentials only tech here (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pattie-brassard/14/114/199).

I will not be surprise to wake up tomorrow morning and read that she IS a he, and has usurped someone’s exaggerated identity for 15 minutes of fame and a paycheck from DisinfoCompany.com

[SunSea]

Gripreaper and Bill, hahahahhhahahahaaha!!!!!!! EXCELLANT!

[Bill Ryan]

Still have not seen where the "scientists credentials" have been checked, did I miss it in a post??

No science credentials only tech here (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pattie-brassard/14/114/199).



http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_LinkedIn.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_LinkedIn.pdf

[ghostrider]

For what it's worth, I've been tracking an anomaly for two years , nobody took me serious, my brother-n-law viewed it through my telescope, and said the same thing I was thinking but I let him tell me without me influencing his thoughts... He said, it looks like a solar system ... a very large bright object with four moons or planets around it, sometimes one in the front and three in the back of the central object, other times two in front , two in back , and sometimes all four on the same side of the bright circular object ...the changing positions of the smaller objects tells me they orbit the larger one ...I see it every night just after the sun goes down , directly west , low in the sky and following the sun ...it is huge... everyone all this year has been feeling new energy ... our universe has a twin, why not our solar sysem ??? remember the russian meteor ??? the greenland permafrost melt in three days ??? hint particles and energy being thrown at earth ... as a galaxy we are in a NEW part of the cosmos ...

[Bill Ryan]

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Even more good watching (or reading):

Luca Scantamburlo: The Return of Planet X

http://projectcamelot.org/luca_scantamburlo.html

http://projectcamelot.org/luca_scantamburlo_2.jpg

Luca Scantamburlo, an Italian journalist of tremendous heart and intelligence, is a courageous and independent UFO researcher who took it upon himself to publicize the events surrounding a fellow-Italian, Cristoforo Barbato, a few years ago.

We are also in touch with Barbato, but he speaks no English and was not in a position to meet with us. So it fell upon Luca, who had investigated Barbato's story and interviewed him at length, to present to Project Camelot the story of what Barbato had learned about the return of Planet X.

The story, at its simplest, is this: Barbato had written an important article about the Secrets of Fatima, focusing on the mystery of the untold Third Secret. Following this, he was contacted by someone who told him he was a Jesuit priest, working for the Vatican Intelligence Service (SIV), and who had important information to reveal. At first Barbato was skeptical, but the Jesuit was persistent; and eventually Barbato was able to substantiate all his claimed personal details. The Jesuit was exactly who he said he was.

At Barbato's insistence, they finally met in a public place in Rome. At that point the Jesuit gave Barbato a significant amount of information about the return of Planet X, which was being carefully tracked by the Vatican and others; and handed Barbato a two-minute videotape - never publicly released, although this short clip (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/691/NSD42_secret_video___unknown_planet/) (which we incorporated in our video) appears very similar - which the Jesuit said was Planet X filmed at close range from a classified Vatican-controlled space probe called Siloe.


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/691/NSD42_secret_video___unknown_planet/

This, and the complex web of detail and controversy that surrounds it, was the subject of our interview. Luca is the foremost English-speaking authority on this subject, which is why we approached him. We were charmed with his friendship, courtesy, intelligence, and the depth of his own research and analysis, and are pleased to present it all here in a comprehensive and important two-part interview.

Click here (http://projectcamelot.org/luca_scantamburlo_message.html) for an important personal message from Luca Scantamburlo, containing further research data
Click here (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/luca_scantamburlo_interview_transcript_1_en.html) for a transcript of Part 1 of the video
Click here (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/luca_scantamburlo_interview_transcript_2_en.html) for a transcript of Part 2 of the video
Click here (http://www.angelismarriti.it/) for Luca Scantamburlo's website
Click here (http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1106/jesuitfootage.html) for Luca Scantamburlo's interview with Cristoforo Barbato
Click here (http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1206/omegasecret.html) for Cristoforo Barbato's interview with his Jesuit contact from the Vatican


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnZVzfchp0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQD8YDWIEiY

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's one more detail that doesn't match up. She claims (repeatedly) that one needs thermographic equipment to view this second sun, but that it only emits ultraviolet radiation, not visible light. Thermography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography) works on infrared radiation, lower frequency than visible light. Ultraviolet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet) refers to a band of the spectrum at higher frequency than visible light. If something's only emitting ultraviolet radiation, then infrared thermographic equipment will be even less useful than visible light optical equipment in viewing it.
I made a little transcript of the portions in her interview with Mel that she mentioned ultraviolet or microwave radiation, or thermographic sensors.

She's more confused than I realized :).

Here's the transcript snippets, with the MM:SS time markers, in Pattie's interview with Mel:



15:14

... global warming has nothing to do with carbon dioxide or the sun.
It has to do with our second sun, because it's pumping out microwaves.
If you look at the poles, the ice is not melting from the top.
If anything, we've got more ice and snow on top than ever.
They are melting from the underside.
The microwaves are hitting the ground from underneath and they are
melting them from underneath.

45:04

The UV isn't really going to be bad until we get lined up with our
brown dwarf, because that's all it puts out. But when it gets
between us and the sun, things are going to get nasty. It's going
to pull on our core, and that shuts our shield down entirely.
By now it's just over the South Atlantic and parts of Australia and
what not, that, the shield, you know, it's [immediately (?)] failing,
on the south end, but [flipping up (?)] over the north. So we've
got a hole down there that keeps opening up.

54:32

(in a non-sequitur response to a 9/11 question) By next month,
our second sun, it's going to put the earth in an entire eclipse,
entirely, I'm talking three days, no sun.

54:57

But ... you can't be out there, because our shield is going to
be down entirely, and our brown dwarf sun puts out a lot of
ultraviolet, because, you know, that's really the only way you
can look at it. It's going to be like being stuck in a microwave.
All your houses are going to burn. All your trees are going to burn.
Anything left on the surface that is living is going to die,
unless you're prepared.

55:40

Rent a Bobcat, dig a hole, drive ... back your camper down in there
and bury it, with a piece of corrugated pipe as an entry way,
that's completely buried. You can't even have that exposed to
the sun, because it will heat up like being in a microwave.
And you need at least three feet of soil so the microwave doesn't
get you. Keep the microwaves from getting to the skin of your camper.
She flips between ultraviolet and microwaves willy-nilly, neither one of which are the infrared detected by thermographic sensors.

Here's a chart of the electromagnetic spectrum, so you can see how these portions of the spectrum are related.


http://thepythoniccow.us/electro_mag_chart_2.jpg
She's confusing one band above our optical light range (ultraviolet) with another band (microwave) below both infrared and optical, and claiming that only infrared (a band between microwave and optical) sensors can detect a brown dwarf, which she claims only emits ultraviolet (a false claim - brown dwarf emissions are strongest in the infrared and lower, yellow, end of the visible spectrum.)

... jibberish :).

As another confusion captured above, note that this brown dwarf second sun, which is so far away now that she used a telescope to see it, but which will be between us and the sun in ten days, will then remain between us and the sun for three entire days of darkness on earth, eclipsing the sun from our view.

That is one awesome set of brakes that brown dwarf has ... Ferrari and Lamborghini would be proud to build a car with that kind of stopping power.

Actually since she said (elsewhere in the interview, if my memory serves) that the brown dwarf is 1/4 the size of our sun, but will be 1/3 of the way from earth toward the sun, it should not be big enough to cover the entire sun from our view for even an instant ... only big enough to make a partial eclipse if perfectly positioned on the line from the earth to the sun. Then to hold that line, moving with in sync with the earth's motion for three days while closer to the sun ... well ... if it does do that, I think we would have prima facie evidence that this is massive space vehicle of a very advanced civilization, to maneuver like that. I might decide to stay above ground and outdoors for those three days, just to see that, even though it would mean I fried sooner.

===

P.S. -- The above comment about the Second Sun only being able to make a partial eclipse presumes that the Second Sun has the same density as the main Sun. If, as was speculated earlier on this thread, the brown dwarf Second Sun is more dense, then to be the same 1/4 mass it would be smaller, so even less able to cause a full eclipse when at 1/3 distance.

[ghostrider]

The story, at its simplest, is this: Barbato had written an important article about the Secrets of Fatima, focusing on the mystery of the untold Third Secret. Following this, he was contacted by someone who told him he was a Jesuit priest, working for the Vatican Intelligence Service (SIV), and who had important information to reveal. At first Barbato was skeptical, but the Jesuit was persistent; and eventually Barbato was able to substantiate all his claimed personal details. The Jesuit was exactly who he said he was.

At Barbato's insistence, they finally met in a public place in Rome. At that point the Jesuit gave Barbato a significant amount of information about the return of Planet X, which was being carefully tracked by the Vatican and others; and handed Barbato a two-minute videotape - never publicly released, although this short clip (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/691/NSD42_secret_video___unknown_planet/) (which we incorporated in our video) appears very similar - which the Jesuit said was Planet X filmed at close range from a classified Vatican-controlled space probe called Siloe.

the two satelites that take pictures of the sun are owned by THE VATICAN ... stereo A and B ...

[SunSea]

For the last 8 years or something, I have blocked out all information about Nibiru and/or Planet X. Haven't watched or read any of the info that's come along. In the last 4 months I've been sent a lot of links from friends about the brown dwarf, etc. etc. read none.

What happened was....8 years ago, I knew people totally caught up in the Zeta channeled information that said Nibiru was on its way and dramatic preparations where needed. Burring shelters, large stockpiles of food, the whole bit....Talking about this event incessantly for months. Sigh....I was traumatized. So I developed a mental block about the whole thing. I'm still not sure I can take it in.:(

[ghostrider]

don't know if this is connected, but in the meier material , he is told of a red meteor that will impact the earth if we don't work together to stop it, it will strike the earth and cause a rip from the North Sea to the black sea ... it is said to be a cosmic event the plejaren cannot interfere with ...

[Bill Ryan]

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If I understand Pattie right, this (from her Facebook page) is the higher resolution image of 'the second sun'. We're looking right at it, I believe - the crosshairs are in the center of the object.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005649_10151570300561033_306373226_n.jpg

Here's an enlargement of the co-ordinates:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/second_sun_coordinates.gif



It's late here, so this is the end of my day. Homework for someone! Find this thing on Google Sky from the co-ordinates shown.

[CD7]

No science credentials only tech here.



Not saying either way the genuineness of this woman, however people who work in IT particularly engineering and building data bases from the ground up KNOW just about everything about the company they work for

[Dennis Leahy]

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If I understand Pattie right, this (from her Facebook page) is the higher resolution image of 'the second sun'. We're looking right at it, I believe - the crosshairs are in the center of the object.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005649_10151570300561033_306373226_n.jpg

Here's an enlargement of the co-ordinates:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/second_sun_coordinates.gif



It's late here, so this is the end of my day. Homework for someone! Find this thing on Google Sky from the co-ordinates shown.
In case this helps, through the blur, I think I see:

06h 26m 39s
23:06:28
-10:29:55
322:47:37

[ThePythonicCow]

If I understand Pattie right, this (from her Facebook page) is the higher resolution image of 'the second sun'. We're looking right at it, I believe - the crosshairs are in the center of the object.
Unless I am missing something, we don't know the time that shot was taken, nor the location on earth. If we knew that, I suppose we (someone skilled in the art) could tell what was supposed to be at that location in the sky, if anything, at that time and place. Then, with a couple more tracking points, and a chain of evidence showing that the additional tracking points were of the same actual, moving, object, we (someone with the right tools and skill) could begin to estimate its orbit.

So far, we have just one incomplete tracking point, of a white blur of unknown magnitude, seen from an unknown location at an unknown time.

Sleep well :).

[jiminii]

September of 2011 we had a lot of solar flares heading straight for Earth. They then went around the planet. Now these people like RAMBO who never get killed have a space around them that metal can not penetrate. the bullets go around them and the bombs bounce off their space. These people who get in total wrecks with only scratches at a High speed collision the metal raps around them. that is how powerful a beings space can be.

NOW A BEING KNOWS. This means that below all the NOT KNOWING, the being behind it, the I AM KNOWS, EVERYTHING. The bare bones root of a spirit is the static itself, all knowing all powerful.

I was following the planet X of the time of september 2011 when they were predicting all the solar flares and I JUST KNEW they would not HIT, and they didn't.

now THAT is because we have star seeds waking up and they HAVE a space out there that SUBCONSCIOUSLY they will hold up a barrier to anything that will harm this planet and that is why all the solar flares went around the planet. only a few hit up in Canada and near the south part of the planet.

I JUST KNOW THIS. What is the power of a spirit. The power of a spirit is his/her ability to hold a position in space.

what does this mean? It means. (since we are the creators of ALL OF IT, utilizing from TOP to BOTTOM all the parts and beings the spirits are HOLDING in place this entire universe.

they are HOLDING THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IN PLACE while CREATING INSIDE IT. so these Viewpoints that are the I AM around someones head is connected to these spirit beings OUTSIDE THE BOX, (outside the physical universe), so anything you can CONFRONT you can HANDLE.

the elite's MAIN purpose is to CAVE US IN. Why? .. Shrink your space so you are NO LONGER CAUSE OVER IT.

You don't have to do anything with it. These bodies in us have all the IMPLANTS put into them when we were dumped here to make us feel weak and powerless.

The fears you are creating are FAKE ... They come from the efforts and counter efforts we use against this physical universe. THAT IS ONLY THE BODY THINK.

the being KNOWS and is HOLDING HIS POSITION IN SPACE. WE ARE HOLDING THIS REALITY WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, IN PLACE. That is why NO MATTER WHAT THE CABAL HAS TRIED TO DO TO BREAK US DOWN AND TAKE OVER, HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT.

so LET'S LIGHTEN UP A BIT HERE.

just get outside and get the idea you are talking to the ghost that manage the trees, and you are getting in communication with the spirit that is keeping all the life on this planet going, this GAIA. Just, with your imagination, look out into the space and feel the communications you have with the life forms and you will SEE THIS PHYSICAL UNIVERSE BECOME LESS SOLID.

GET THE IDEA of LOCATING the VIEWPOINTS that are near people's head, (viewpoint is a creation by a spirit that he can use to operate and view from some kind of golden ball near the head). just GET THE IDEA of LOCATING WHERE THESE SPIRIT BEINGS MIGHT BE somewhere NEAR their HEADS.

Do this with a HORSE, (very light and very spiritual), and you can feel the solidity of this PLANET becoming more light and thin and spiritual.

YOU ARE CAUSE OF ALL THAT, NOT YOUR BODY.

We just have to BE US and DECIDE THIS PLANET WILL HOLD IT"S POSITION IN SPACE and any EXTERIOR INFLUENCE will NOT BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE IT.

do you understand it?

jim

[The Truth Is In There]

some more deliberate disinfo to prepare the population for the real event that's going to happen some time, but probabaly not just yet.

it's not unlike the elenin "scare". each time something like this happens more people are waking up to the possibility that something catastrophic might happen soon and get prepared. at the point when finally something does happen many people are ready for it who would otherwise be completely unprepared.

what happened? people "in the know" didn't cause a panic by telling the population openly that certain doom is approaching and yet a lot of people prepped for it - "just in case".

the "conspiracy" could just be that it's not that easy to find a way to get people ready for certain catastrophic events without causing a panic and a breakdown of society that may kill even more in the long run. so they plant tidbits of truth along with half-truths and lies that can be detected. this doubt prevents a full blown panic while the true part of the messages keeps people alert.

i think when the inevitable event is no more than days ahead "they" will tell people about it, but only if the expected event itself will be much worse than the panic that's created by the bad news.

[araucaria]

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005649_10151570300561033_306373226_n.jpg

I got the impression this was the 4x Jupiter-sized planet and the cross-haired circle was Jupiter for comparison.

She certainly seems to confuse this object herself with the second sun. While the sun, she says, stays outside of the planetary orbits, then this planet is what is supposed to cause the three-day eclipse - which has been stated at least once somewhere in this thread.

Incidentally, the fact that the outer planets don't seem to have been affected may not mean anything at all. Since this system is supposed to be coming in at a considerable angle from the plane of the ecliptic, Neptune and Pluto may be completely out of the picture; I don't know, this would need checking.

Edit to add: the Richter scale is both open-ended and logarithmic, which means in practical terms that it stops at around 13 which is enough to be literally earth-shattering. That at least is my understanding and I've never heard anyone mention anything above that.

[loveoneanother]

Hi guys :grouphug:

I was one of the people Mr.Ryan spoke of in post number 3 who contacted him about the Pattie Brassard video. The material contained in the video was so far outside my understanding (as well as being one of the scariest videos i'd ever heard), i asked Mr.Ryan if he would take a look at it for me and tell me what he thought about it. At that time there was no thread about it and i didn't feel i was experienced enough or confident enough in the subject material to start a thread about it.

Up until a few days ago, i had an awareness of the Planet X/Nibiru issue and that was about as far as it went. I have never looked into the subject and i'm still not 100% sure why i'm engaging with the subject now ?

I've tried to re-trace my steps to find out how i got to the Pattie Brussard video and while doing this i came across another video that i watched at about the same time. I've tried to explain to Mr.Ryan via a couple of Private Messages how ill-equipped i feel to deal with any of this so i hope you'll all forgive me this one intrusion. I just feel there may be something in this video that might help the discussion although i'm not quite sure what ?

Thanks everyone :grouphug:

(PS : If i'm so far behind with my information on this subject and this video has already done the rounds without me knowing it, please feel free to delete the post).
K9szmVIqhV8

[Sidney]

For what it's worth, I've been tracking an anomaly for two years , nobody took me serious, my brother-n-law viewed it through my telescope, and said the same thing I was thinking but I let him tell me without me influencing his thoughts... He said, it looks like a solar system ... a very large bright object with four moons or planets around it, sometimes one in the front and three in the back of the central object, other times two in front , two in back , and sometimes all four on the same side of the bright circular object ...the changing positions of the smaller objects tells me they orbit the larger one ...I see it every night just after the sun goes down , directly west , low in the sky and following the sun ...it is huge... everyone all this year has been feeling new energy ... our universe has a twin, why not our solar sysem ??? remember the russian meteor ??? the greenland permafrost melt in three days ??? hint particles and energy being thrown at earth ... as a galaxy we are in a NEW part of the cosmos ...

Hi Ghostrider- Are you sure you are not seeing Jupiter and her moons? Here are some good pics. I have viewed this through binoculars and it is quite a sight.
It does indeed look like a mini solar system. I am not trying to debunk you or anything, but I was startled the first time I saw it. When I figured out what I was looking at I was disappointed to have gone so many years not knowing it was there for my viewing.

http://images.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=785&q=jupiter+and+moons&oq=jupiter+and+moons&gs_l=img.12..0l2j0i24.3576.3576.0.6352.1.1.0.0.0.0 .92.92.1.1.0....0...1ac.2.24.img..0.1.91.HWG3mb1Ap U4


Regarding this second sun. (or whatever you like to call it), In these images you can clearly see "something" behind/next to the sun. Nasa says it is a fiber stuck to the lens of the camera. (right, we are idiots).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60800-UFOs-and-holographic-images-in-solar-space-July-2-2013&p=702133&viewfull=1#post702133

here is the SOHO video of the same object, best viewed in full screen. note: my opinion of the red object shown at the end of this clip, looks like lens flare to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a8iZiqX84Q

[greybeard]

In general regarding some conspiracy theories.
I dont get why there are so few prepared to come out with their "story"
Thinking of underground cities---thousands of people would have been involved constructing these--their families may have known and so the news spreads. It hasn’t really been confirmed by that many. (not saying it isn’t so)
Its not possible to keep the lid on so many people.
So who is releasing bits of info for us to latch on to???
In who's interest is it to promote fear?
There must be quite a few astronomers who visit Avalon, surely some would have confirmed this latest story or otherwise.
However all that being said it is good to investigate.

Chris

[araucaria]

This is going to sound silly, but I'll say it anyway: throughout the interview with Mel, I was distracted by the impression of listening to a man.
:confused:

[ThePythonicCow]

This is going to sound silly, but I'll say it anyway: throughout the interview with Mel, I was distracted by the impression of listening to a man.
:confused:
I won't say who else ... but you weren't the only one :).

[Bill Ryan]

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OK -- no-one's done their homework! :)

I think Dennis got these details right:



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If I understand Pattie right, this (from her Facebook page) is the higher resolution image of 'the second sun'. We're looking right at it, I believe - the crosshairs are in the center of the object.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005649_10151570300561033_306373226_n.jpg

Here's an enlargement of the co-ordinates:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/second_sun_coordinates.gif



It's late here, so this is the end of my day. Homework for someone! Find this thing on Google Sky from the co-ordinates shown.
In case this helps, through the blur, I think I see:

06h 26m 39s
23:06:28
-10:29:55
322:47:37

And when Paul said



Unless I am missing something, we don't know the time that shot was taken, nor the location on earth. If we knew that, I suppose we (someone skilled in the art) could tell what was supposed to be at that location in the sky, if anything, at that time and place. Then, with a couple more tracking points, and a chain of evidence showing that the additional tracking points were of the same actual, moving, object, we (someone with the right tools and skill) could begin to estimate its orbit.

So far, we have just one incomplete tracking point, of a white blur of unknown magnitude, seen from an unknown location at an unknown time.

Sleep well :).

I think you missed the other details, which were

Rise: 06:34
Transit: 14:29
Set: 22:27

I may possibly be wrong, but I believe that the whole point of those combined coordinates is to identify (and be able to revisit) the location of an object exactly.

All her screenshots are here, in high enough resolution to be able to identify the co-ordinates of each:

https://facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.195441690617798&type=3

This is one of the albums on her Fukushima Truth group page (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Fukashima.Facts), entitled July 23, 2013.

She's taken images of SOMETHING, having accessed a professional telescope using ASCOM.

http://ascom-standards.org

What are we looking at?

Here's the importance. I share the skepticism that we'll suddenly find a giant object 0.32 AU away (30 million miles) in a couple of weeks' time. But there's enough credible accumulated circumstantial evidence that there is something out there, somewhere, which we're not being told about. Here's a rare chance to find out a little more.

And if she's been looking at Venus, let's tell the tens of thousands of people out there who are already freaked out, and may be about to make expensive, bad decisions about their lives, as soon as possible. Making jokes about her does not accomplish this.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Does this mean I wont be able to see the final series of Breaking Bad?! But seriously, who remembers Nancy Leider and Zetatalk? She told people to Kill their pets as it would be better than the end of the world she predicted in 2003. We need to get to the bottom of this.

[SilentFeathers]

My personal conclusion to this:

She is using perhaps "some" of her personal knowledge/experiences, but mostly stuff she has read in journals, on the internet, seen on you tube, etc etc and projecting fear and concern on to others for reasons unknown. She probably is liking the attention she is getting.

Insider wannabee...............seeking a following somewhat like Drake did, seeking popularity.

Her "fame" and or "popularity" will be short lived because her end date scenario was placed to soon :)

She may soon introduce a "friend" or sidekick that'll support her, this person's name will probably be something like, "Lady Rattlesnake".


My thoughts:

I seriously think something quite remarkable will happen soon, a rather huge event, but I do not think she has the focus right or correct information about what this event may be. (she's making several predictions and trying to cover as many areas as possible IMO, hoping one will come true).

A swarm of objects of such mass visible or not within our solar system like she explains would be causing a lot more than some screwy weather here on Earth.....

A large earthquake somewhere is highly likely soon as we are due for one (common sense says she may be right about this), but common sense says a 15 magnitude quake is highly unlikely.

We've already seen plenty of evidence of more asteroid/meteor activity in the last year or so, a Russia type of fireball or larger type of like event is not out of the question.

Nasty and strange weather is escalating....

The worlds economical, financial, and social systems are on the brink of catastrophic disruption due to many reasons.

etc etc etc.....yes folks, we should all be watching out for things and using common sense, not falling for more Drake like pilot shows.


So in a sense, Pattie may be on to something, but she is going in the wrong direction trying to bring about awareness.....she's just another boy who cried wolf. She's basically pointing to the hand the magician wants you to watch, not the hand that should be watched.

Tighten the lug nuts before the wheel falls off......

[araucaria]

Does this mean I wont be able to see the final series of Breaking Bad?!
You won't want to when you've finished following Patrick Geryl on Steroids

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's more: three images (from her Facebook album (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.195441690617798&type=3)) that according to this page (http://citizenperth.com/DoomSite/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3) are captures of "Jupiter's Big Sister".

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/487401_10151570300616033_1568769042_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1070111_10151570300696033_939106781_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/q71/s720x720/15975_10151570300791033_460449051_n.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Jupiters_Big_Sister_coordinates_1.gif

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Jupiters_Big_Sister_coordinates_2.gif

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Jupiters_Big_Sister_coordinates_3.gif


What gets my attention is this:

Guys and gals, listen up for a moment. The way this works is like a huge time-and-space 'GPS' system. If you're a professional astronomer using this system, and you find and focus on an object, the database (which has millions of known and cataloged objects in it) will tell you what you're looking at.

For example, here's Ganymede:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1069865_10151570301051033_1978777402_n.jpg

And the 'GPS' system TELLS YOU that it's Ganymede, because it's cross-referenced in the giant database:

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Ganymede.gif

But with Pattie's images, the objects she found and took screenshots of are UNKNOWN. They're not in the database.

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/No_Object.gif

So... what are they?





We need to get to the bottom of this.

Yes, we do.

None of this means that these objects are anywhere near the Earth. (Note that we have two co-ordinated unknowns here: according to Pattie, as best I understand, they are (1) 'the second sun' and (2) its biggest planet.)

Astronomically speaking, it's a massive scoop (at least!) that two huge objects have been found and photographed that are NOT in the common-reference database that all astronomers use.

Even if these objects are way outside the Kuiper Belt, and will not cause us any problems at all for a long time (if ever), I for one would like to know what they are. Because even if they won't be here next week, it's just possible they may quite a lot nearer in a few year's time.

[schneider]

For what it's worth, Marshall Masters was on coast to coast last night talking about Planet X. He claims it is on the other side of the sun and is going to have a big impact on us in 2015. It is twice the distance away from us as Jupiter is to our sun. Of course he has a new video he's selling that talks about this new information.

[Fred Steeves]

Her "fame" and or "popularity" will be short lived because her end date scenario was placed to soon :)


A creative mind can always get around that though, like friendly E.T.'s stepping in at the last moment to avert said catastrophe. Or, there's always the fall back position of issuing an extension. "It's still coming, just not right now because of (X) reason. Stay tuned though, because we are by no means out of the woods".

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I think it is better to NOT feed the Archons, and dark side Reptilians by creating more fear. Creating fear (their food) is probably their goal.

Find someone, some animal or something to love instead.

[SilentFeathers]

Her "fame" and or "popularity" will be short lived because her end date scenario was placed to soon :)


A creative mind can always get around that though, like friendly E.T.'s stepping in at the last moment to avert said catastrophe. Or, there's always the fall back position of issuing an extension. "It's still coming, just not right now because of (X) reason. Stay tuned though, because we are by no means out of the woods".

I'm pretty sure in a couple weeks if nothing much happens this will be the remedy she'll use to keep herself from being totally ridiculed.

How many have come on the scene in the last couple of years doing this? Her story is no more believable to me than anyother "we're all gonna die" story.....

[RunningDeer]

This is going to sound silly, but I'll say it anyway: throughout the interview with Mel, I was distracted by the impression of listening to a man.
:confused:

I won't say who else ... but you weren't the only one :).
:wave:

The PTW are mixing it up now because the old way is broke. People are not buying it.

Another intended ‘level of confusion,’ I didn't hear much of an east coast, MA accent.


Perfect Boston Accent
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The male voice is just one more tool tossed into this game of hide and seek. One of the diverse reasons for the video is to create people fighting over transgender bias. Another is the intentional cognitive dissonance with the information offered on so many topics covered in a one hour block.

Objective One: Keep everyone busy with what ever works on us as individuals and groups. Some examples: research, fighting, confusion, loss of hope, send some over the edge, separate us through escalation of anger, fear, etc. All food juice for the sh!tbirds.

Objective Two: Keep us from our divine creativity and imagination that fosters balance in all things. It is not in their best interest for us all to come together. That power ignites recall of what we are capable of. Change. They GO POOF with CHANGE.

[Jean-Marie]

Giovanni posted this on another thread.

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A person in Arizona set up a camera yesterday and filmed the sunrise and sunset. Used filters and saw nothing other than lense flare.

[Rex]

I wish I knew how to plug in those numbers to google sky. If the objects were found, that would be the first piece of real evidence to corroborate her story. Otherwise she's got a long way to go IMHO.

Nitpicks:

-She mentioned "liquifraction" in one interview. I'm guessing she meant "liquifaction".
-She said fresh water doesn't conduct electricity, but salt water does.
-One quarter of Florida lost power a few days ago (8/4 ?). I couldn't find anything to support this claim.
-She ties in many of the alt-conspiracy topics: haarp, chemtrails, dumbs, hho, etc.

One thing she did mention was that the earth and moon were different from the other planets. That was an interesting synchronicity for me, because I had just listened to a recent interview with John Lash (I think it was on C2C) where he mentioned the earth, moon and sun (?) were organic based while the rest of the planets were inorganic.

If someone can point me in the right direction with plugging in those numbers to google sky I would appreciate it.

[Carmody]

Is there any information regarding the other continents, what is their destiny in case of such event?
Thank you.

The most earthquake-unstable part of the globe is the Pacific 'ring of fire'. Europe and Africa should be comparatively 'shielded'.


Drake on steroids!

Made me laugh... :)


I'm with Paul, incredibly skeptical about this.

And so we should be. But I think we should also pay a little intelligent attention. See my post #20 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712327&viewfull=1#post712327) on the previous page.

In my view, we need to look at this quite carefully. Anyone who can assist us in that will be helping a lot of people out there -- this thread is already receiving a lot of guest views!

If we can put this one away, we will be doing the community a service. But to offer personal opinions, no matter how sincere, doesn't quite cut it... I'd suggest we need to look at the claimed facts, no matter how way out they may seem.

All that is true,and relevant.

but at the same time, one must continue walking down the road of breaking elitist control. Without hesitating or stopping, for a second.

If,and, or, as a logic package.

If it is true, keep walking and move toward breaking elitist control, as that can only aid the survivors.

And, is the case of elitist control and it is true, which is the same point as above, keep working hard, nonstop, no breaks in concentration on breaking elitist control.


The Or.

If it is a lie and distraction, Keep walking down the road of breaking elitist control, as their lies and distractions are moving to fever pitch.

Or, if it is a test for a humanity that is in a duality state, where it is a test to break out of the egg and into a better universe, continue walking down the road of breaking elitist control.

Focus, focus, focus, move, move, move, act, act, act...

The answer and the question remain the same, no matter the face of the situation that confronts us.

[Sloppyjoe]

There is no such thing as Nibiru. The end of human civilization will not happen for a very long time, the illusion must keep going.

[norman]

Even scientists can develop a psychosis, with or without government assistance.

She has said many really dumb things. She keeps on saying the number of selected to saved humans is 500 thousand when the Georgia guidestone says 500 millions.

She says splitting H2O produces 1 hydrogen and 2 Oxygen. That's plain wrong.

I also have a problem with a star 1 tenth the size of the sun having a planet 4 time the size of Jupiter orbiting it at such a great distance that it will cut us up bad while the 2nd star stays well out of our way.

I don't think she's ever lived in a caravan and found out for herself how hard it is to deal with cooking in it even when it's above ground and the windows are all open.

She makes several comments that are typical of people in a psychotic crisis.


Having said all that, there probably is some information that a space body or family of bodies is incoming. That someone like her is doing the right thing and getting word out to the public, is commendable, but we should be well aware that she's babbling a lot and is clearly having some kind of personal crisis during this.

[white wizard]

Wow this video has done a good job at distracting people and My gut
tells me that video was a mix of some facts but mostly fiction, which
is very good at confusing people. I think it has done its intended job
from everything I have read at distorting facts and confusing people.

There is my 2 cents.

:lol:

[Cristian]

:behindsofa:






"My good friends |...| I believe it is peace in our time."

Neville Chamberlain -1938


"This planet will be safe. "

jiminii - 2013














































http://rt.com/files/news/comet-astronomer-first-elenin/web-doomsday-comet-list.si.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1929/zroz.jpg

[sirdipswitch]

Has anyone ever stopped and thought logically about this wholly illogical orbit of this dwarf star and its planets? With the shape of this highly eccentric orbit, how could its own planets even keep up with its whiplash manuver around our Sun. If its gravitational force is strong enough to pull those planets back around with it, then why wouldn't that same strong force pull those planets into crashing into it. If the thing comin, is just one planet, (nibiru) then why wouldn't that whiplash jerk around our Sun, tear it to pieces. And, a nuther thing, the Nibiru orbit is sposed to be at something like a 40 degree opposition to the plane of our Solar System, so why is everybody lookin at the Sun, on a plane with our Solar System, instead of lookin "up", for it? Don't make sense. None of it.

Only thing that makes sense... is the fear mongering...

[Atlas]

Pattie L. Brassard aka PattieBFine wrote a note to herself in 2012 :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/pattiescam.gif
See bigclosetr.us/...facebook#comment-306777 (http://bigclosetr.us/topshelf/blog/41639/my-uneasy-relationship-with-facebook#comment-306777) - Also notice the photo is the same as in her Facebook album.

And she writes strange stories too since 2011 :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/pattiescam2.gif
MUST READ her stories here: www.tgstorytime.com/viewuser.php?uid=316 (http://www.tgstorytime.com/viewuser.php?uid=316)

Someone said a computer geek ? Well not in 2007 :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/pattiescam4.gif
See office-forums.com/visio-template-shapes-t51564.html (http://www.office-forums.com/visio-template-shapes-t51564.html) and tech-archive.net/.../2007-03/msg00031.html (http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/Visio/microsoft.public.visio/2007-03/msg00031.html)

Conclusion: I don't think we can call her a whistle-blower and her photos may not be reliable material. I think she is being mind controlled. Case closed for me.

[Dennis Leahy]

Unless there is a database of photos, taken night after night, all the way around in a sphere, and we are able to see exactly what she saw based on where the telescope was pointed, (where the object was, not on where it is), we shouldn't see the same moving object in the same place. Last week's coordinates of a moving object will not yield the object in the same spot today, (unless the object is miraculously coming straight toward Earth, out of all the possible vectors.) Or more precisely, since the Earth is also moving through space, the object would have to be sort of synchronously aligned with and aimed at our orbital path. In other words, the object has about a 0.0000000001% chance of being in the same space coordinates - at the same time on another night. (This is my conjecture, but I'm trying to use logic and physics.)

I'm pretty sure Google Sky won't do what we want. One, it is a snapshot in time (or snapshots, stitched together. It is only accurate for the moment the images are taken. And two, if you input the coordinates (6h 26m 39s or 6h 26m 39s 23:06:28), it simply says there is nothing in the database to aim at, (rather than simply rotating the sphere of view to show us the sky at that coordinate.) You can move the mouse over and over to get to 6h 26m 39s, but it is not the image she shows, and even if it was, you'd have to know the known stars in the sky very well to discern something new and different.

Paul makes an excellent point too about the claim of the object making a 3 day eclipse. How in the hell could any object move so slowly through space, dancing along with the Earth and Sol duet so well it could eclipse the sun for more than 3 minutes, much less 3 days? That alone shows a total lack of understanding of physics and astronomy - yet she is smart enough to hack into a telescopic observatory and aim the telescope?

I'm prepared to eat Bill's hat if it happens. It should be well-done (as should I) with the microwaves, er, infrared, er, ultraviolet sky toaster cooking it to a crackly crunch. I think I'll dip it into a batch of my famous guacamole.

HEY HONEY! Get the Bobcat (http://www.bobcat.com/build_and_quote/index) back out and exhume the camper, will ya?

Dennis

[SilentFeathers]

I'm wondering how many people thus far have crushed and destroyed their campers by burying them without first building concrete or metal retaining walls and a support roof to support the weight of the dirt? lol!

[Sidney]

Well, what we need next, is someone with a decent telescope, go to the stated coordinates and see if the "object(s)s" appear where she says they are. And take it from there.
I found, that in the interview most of it was speculation on her part. I too, felt much of it she made up along the way.
And, I also did not find any huge power outage in Florida that was reported. However there was an outage, of 38,000 customers in San Francisco Aug. 7. Explanation unknown.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I'm wondering how many people thus far have crushed and destroyed their campers by burying them without first building concrete or metal retaining walls and a support roof to support the weight of the dirt? lol!

I'll bet no one.

I'll also bet many people reading this are not prepared for only a few days without access to water, electricity, grocery stores, credit cards, fuel or an ATM.

Many are just feeding the reptiles.

Very sad.

[Atlas]

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/3rd-Co-ord_zpsaf22f4ca.jpghttp://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/coord-7-24_zps8e02180d.jpg
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/Co-ords_zps8d6b05b0.jpghttp://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/Gemini_zpsa1e49bdc.jpg

[centreoflight]

There was a lightening/ thunder storm last week tht was different for me as I felt tht the lightning was going in horizontal direction and not just vertical while on the ground...(it was different) Along with so many other phenomena tht I know others are experiencing


Beloveds,
Just yesterday I observed a phenomenon here in the south of the Alps, which I never noticed before. Lightening and thunder for over one hour, mostly in horizontal direction. It looked and felt like a staged firework. On the other side, the sky was cloudless and full of stars shining.
Unusual for me was also the fact that I had my first migraine attack after many years and I felt dizzy for quite a few days. I feel the build up of energies and I feel something big is going to happen. This event will change the world as we know it, but surely it will not create any mayor disaster.

[Atlas]

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/Capture-5_zps46d43455.jpg
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/Capture-5_zps0194088e.jpg
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/Capture-8_zps61a0b9ab.jpg
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/Capture-7_zpsf038728a.jpg
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/Capture-6_zpsdaef2a67.jpg

[Atlas]

This is the database she got her pictures from : http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form

[Fred Steeves]

I'm prepared to eat Bill's hat if it happens. It should be well-done (as should I) with the microwaves, er, infrared, er, ultraviolet sky toaster cooking it to a crackly crunch. I think I'll dip it into a batch of my famous guacamole.


I'll with ya there Dennis. Being that Bill's hat is already spoken for, how about I'm prepared to eat my trusty old tool belt (Minus the hand tools). It would be in the bomb shelter with us of course, so I'm thinking a good 24 hour hard boil should soften er up nicely, and we'll celebrate completion with a Vodka Martini.

Shaken, not stirred of course. :nod:

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[SilentFeathers]

I'm wondering how many people thus far have crushed and destroyed their campers by burying them without first building concrete or metal retaining walls and a support roof to support the weight of the dirt? lol!

I'll bet no one.

I'll also bet many people reading this are not prepared for only a few days without access to credit cards, ATM, grocery stores, electricity and fuel.

Many are just feeding the reptiles.

Very sad.

Yes it is sad....many I know all they have is a day or two of food in the fridge, perhaps a little bit of can foods for a few days in a cabinet and hooked up to the public water system.

But everyone seems to have a 100 dollar a month cell phone to text all day long on everyday.....

The only good thing about the Pattie Brassards of the day is that they may actually make a few people say, "What if something really bad does happen?" and change a few behaviors in some people to perhaps cause them to better prepared for a crisis situation.

I guess sometimes it may actually be a positive thing to make something up and scare the hell out of people every now and then....

[Christine]

When confronted with type of information my tendency (these days) is to stand still, make no assumptions and try to understand on a personal level why this is in my space at this time.

We are all guilty to one degree or another of either swallowing information that is not verified and the response often can be fear or on the other side of the coin we get dismissive and makes jokes. Our reactive mind will usually jump when faced with the type of stuff Pattie put out. Sure sign something is up. :)

What I decided using my own discernment is that this lady is disturbed, possibly mind hacked but felt truly compelled to put this information out there. She was interviewed several times including by Mel Fabreges thereby reaching a large audience. She is in our consciousness simply because we listened.

What effect this has had in my life was to nudge me out of a certain complacency that had crept in, it put me in contact with some important (in my life) people. Reawakened my own awareness of the potentiality for some major event and tighten up my commitment to further some of my own preparations that have been sidetracked. So all in all I feel positive and energized.

I don't need to look into this any deeper, my decision and actions are taken. I think it is important that we use our own discernment as fully as possible.

While we postulate that nothing catastrophic will happen on our dear planet we also prepare as we are called to.

It is clear that we are in for major events of some sort so do as you are called to do.

[ThePythonicCow]

Many are just feeding the reptiles.
One more thing we might be doing, besides that ... I figure there's a good chance that we will get a valid ten day warning of an upcoming problem ... within the next few months.

That would be the warning of a financial collapse.

Just because this present warning is full of holes big enough to drive a brown dwarf star through ... doesn't mean all ten day warnings are bogus.

[scanner]

Will this suffice ?

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[Billy]

One thing to remember.

It is not the information that is monitored by those who believe they are in control.

It is the reaction and response that is monitored.

All i can say at this point is WELL DONE AVALON.

I truly felt for the poor Wo-Man. Manipulation of minds. Using some truths and loads of disinfo.

1. Are the leaves turning purple by UV rays where you are?. Not here.

2. Is there a No fly Zone implemented in the south Atlantic?

3. Are planes being radiated when flying from previous 0.2 level to 2.+ now. ?

4. Is lightning causing Radiation Burns in your area. As is claimed in Ohio, New Jersey and Florida. We have had amazing lightning storms as normal. No burns here.

5. Is your earth much closer to the Sun now. My Earth is still in the same place. Would that not change our usual total Eclipses?

Oh I almost forgot. There very possibly is a passing visitor heading but The world is not going to end.

As always, Have no fear, Be prepared within and at peace with your selves.

If i am wrong then we all gather afterwards in a different Sphere and have a Party.


Peace.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is the database she got her pictures from : http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form

Are you saying that she got her pictures from this database, not from her time on a telescope ?

[ThePythonicCow]

... images ...


... images ...

Can you tell us a little bit about where or how you obtained these images?

[Atlas]

Can you tell us a little bit about where or how you obtained these images?

Sure, she's got plenty of pictures here:
s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/library/ (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/library/?sort=3&page=1)
and here:
plus.google.com/110506360264375199114/photos (https://plus.google.com/110506360264375199114/photos)

[Atlas]

Are you saying that she got her pictures from this database, not from her time on a telescope ?

Yes, if you look at her pictures on photobucket and google, you'll notice she uses a wide range of softwares and investigates a lot of data, it's all there.

[SilentFeathers]

This is the database she got her pictures from : http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form

Are you saying that she got her pictures from this database, not from her time on a telescope ?

I don't believe for a second she actually got time on a major telescope, they just don't let anyone use these things.

[chocolate]

Yes, lots of people are interested in this from the count I see in thread information.
I am totally with Christine on this. I think it has gotten too much of our attention already.
As mentioned with all prophecies and predictions, nothing is set in stone, there is no future, and we need to stop feeding the fear in us. Let us think from up above our earthly existence- that is where we come from, and see that this is just another test. Even if this turns to be real in some sense, I most definitely am not interested in living on a devastated earth, I'd better be someplace else.
BUT if we can do our homework, and try to lay the foundations of a better path, lets do it. -> jim. I am a master builder, figuratively and literally, what say you?

[Abhaya]

Evidence starting to stack up against her.... Amazing investigating by you guys damn I'm always impressed.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Even if this turns to be real in some sense, I most definitely am not interested in living on a devastated earth, I'd better be someplace else.


Whatever event the PTB have planned to enslave us more, I'd rather be someplace else too.

I can think of many things I'd like to do that cannot be done while I'm trapped in a physical body.

[CD7]

We are all guilty to one degree or another of either swallowing information that is not verified and the response often can be fear or on the other side of the coin we get dismissive and makes jokes. Our reactive mind will usually jump when faced with the type of stuff Pattie put out. Sure sign something is up.

What I decided using my own discernment is that this lady is disturbed, possibly mind hacked but felt truly compelled to put this information out there. She was interviewed several times including by Mel Fabreges thereby reaching a large audience. She is in our consciousness simply because we listened.



One good point that she made was the fact that warnings/ events continue to be put out until you/we are numb and off guard for whtever "event" is going on... until eventually we are taken by surprise by something genuine.

However in these times of great testament to future events or unusual phenomena occurring---I usually experience a grand upliftment in the other direction. In other words these negatives are usually accompanied with just as many positives....
Along with this sense of eminent danger is also fret with a sense of miraculousness around the unseen corner...

Polarities dancing in the extreme...there are times tht I feel such vitality and LIFE in the midst of these ugly scenarios..and incidently have felt more intensely the energy from the sun in deeper ways then I ever have before...I could feel my body soaking it up unlike any time before (laying out in it)...some may say omg its poision..but its not what I experience at the time.

[Sidney]

So, in the past few months i have periodically browsed around on YT looking at videos entitled "two suns" etc. There are MANY. Most of which are no doubt, lens flares. but there are also several, that are pretty authentic looking, and also of my opinion is, they can't all be fake, or flares. Also, when I discovered the chemtrail phenom. several years ago, i found that every commercial on tv had some form of chemtrail subliminal.
For the last couple years, they began the subliminals, using graphics, shaped like the sun with a orb shaped object at about the 2 o'clock position and similar. You gotta ask yourself,,,why?? To the unknowing, absolutely, not noticeable. Being aware of the subliminals used, to brainwash people into thinking things they see in the sky are normal, I set the info on the back burner to simmer. Below are a few examples. And it is not just commercials. Simmilar images appear on newscasts background, almost every commercial, and most of the "programs" have things inserted. If you are not specifically looking for it, you will not see, but once you start to look for it, they are all over the place. This has been an observation of mine for a long time.
I honestly have no doubt that there is some "celestial body" up there. I honestly do not think they go to the extremes of covering the sky with chemicals, and putting subs all over tv, and various other telltale signs. I have not had tv service for several months so I don't know what they are using today, but I can tell you it is on their websites too. Many mainstream websites have the same kind of symbols. (sphere, above or beside a sphere)..
What I am wondering, is it possible, that 2 suns can "get along together"? What if this thing comes around, and nothing happens. Is it even remotely possible?
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[Delight]

What I decided using my own discernment is that this lady is disturbed, possibly mind hacked but felt truly compelled to put this information out there. She was interviewed several times including by Mel Fabreges thereby reaching a large audience. She is in our consciousness simply because we listened.

What effect this has had in my life was to nudge me out of a certain complacency that had crept in, it put me in contact with some important (in my life) people. Reawakened my own awareness of the potentiality for some major event and tighten up my commitment to further some of my own preparations that have been sidetracked. So all in all I feel positive and energized.

I didn't watch the video but am reading the thread and my intuition says your perspective is mine...I can become complacent and would prefer to stay connected, positive and energized. No doubt in the next few days many people will leave the planet. One of my closest friends did just that this morning... Shout out to my friend Tuly, I know you are still living large.

[Sidney]

Even if this turns to be real in some sense, I most definitely am not interested in living on a devastated earth, I'd better be someplace else.


Whatever event the PTB have planned to enslave us more, I'd rather be someplace else too.

I can think of many things I'd like to do that cannot be done while I'm trapped in a physical body.

I agree, wholeheartedly. If it is to be, I say bring it. I have no intention of bugging out. Post apocalyptic life, is for human bodies, much stronger than mine. I am fully prepared to see what else is "out there".:plane::flypig::wave:

[Gardener]

On the 18th of August I plan on sowing onion seed (sturon) for next years onion crop, its a bit risky growing from seed rather than buying onion sets but thought I would risk it. I am as certain as I can be that this plan will go ahead as stated, if it does not, it will not be because a large planetary body approached earth, but one of the following reasons. (likelyhood in brackets)
The mice ate the seeds. 5% (now reduced to 0% after placing in a safer place.)
I keel over from something I ate. 0.3%
I broke both wrists. 0.1%
My husband threw me out 0%
I am arrested for making disparraging remarks about Mr Pattie. Hmm 0%

Which goes to prove that ochams razor works well in the above senario ie: the mice ate the seeds was the most likely but since proper preparations were made the seeds are now safe.

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

Can you tell us a little bit about where or how you obtained these images?

Sure, she's got plenty of pictures here:
s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/library/ (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/library/?sort=3&page=1)
and here:
plus.google.com/110506360264375199114/photos (https://plus.google.com/110506360264375199114/photos)

This explains my cognitive dissonance. I couldn’t reconcile what I was picking up. This is ‘in part’ what it was about. NO judgement. It explains Pattie’s career choices and interests.

Link provided by buares:

Found @ photobucket/Pattie_Brassard's Library/Facebook/Profile Pictures/My Stuff. Pattie could have chosen to click private on her photobucket account.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Pattie2_zps082e01b3.jpg

[RunningDeer]

For the last couple years, they began the subliminals, using graphics, shaped like the sun with a orb shaped object at about the 2 o'clock position and similar. You gotta ask yourself,,,why?? To the unknowing, absolutely, not noticeable. Being aware of the subliminals used, to brainwash people into thinking things they see in the sky are normal, I set the info on the back burner to simmer. Below are a few examples. And it is not just commercials. Simmilar images appear on newscasts background, almost every commercial, and most of the "programs" have things inserted. If you are not specifically looking for it, you will not see, but once you start to look for it, they are all over the place.

Mnemonic Mind Control in Mainstream TV (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61717-Mnemonic-Mind-Control-in-Mainstream-TV&p=707502&viewfull=1#post707502)

This is a repost on mnemonics and mind control:

If one is unaware of what’s occurring, the technology effects the mind. It triggers behavioral pathology that entrains over time so that such qualities as sovereignty, autonomy, and your God-essence is replaced with ‘mind robot’ compliance. Associations are made with music, written word, voice and graphics at the unconscious levels.

So as we watch and listen, these circles, semi-circles, symbols, angles, pointer graphics, pulsations of close up to falling into depths through visuals, i.e., count ups to count downs, and overlapping animation keep us entranced. All while subliminal, encoded messages (including symbolic) flash to program fear, lethargy, warped beliefs, and range of thoughts, feelings and beliefs that we mistakenly call our own.

Who’d associate entertainment with dark, diabolical and ungodly? Knowledge is power. Choice. Freedom. Sovereign, co-creator beings.

Peace,
Paula

Great video. If you are short on time, fast forward to examples @ 36 minutes.


Global Epidemic Exposed: Television Mnemonics

“This is the single most powerful tool being used against the consciousness of mankind today...”

Mnemonic circles are a virus for your subconscious. Examples:

They use mnemonics to make you accept the increasingly severe weather and ‘new’ weather patterns. @ 36 minutes
Mnemonic are used in video games to enforce destruction programming @37:37
New sigil is being introduced to the populace @ 38
The secret seal of solomon @ 38:22
The heart of the story is here @ 38:34
Let’s not forget the little ones. If you let them @ 38:55



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[Atlas]

This explains my cognitive dissonance. I couldn’t reconcile what I was picking up. This is ‘in part’ what it was about. NO judgement. It explains Pattie’s career choices and interests.

What do you mean by 'cognitive dissonance'?

-EDIT-

Just read your previous post:

All while subliminal, encoded messages (including symbolic) flash to program fear, lethargy, warped beliefs, and range of thoughts, feelings and beliefs that we mistakenly call our own.

I concur.

[Bill Ryan]

This explains my cognitive dissonance. I couldn’t reconcile what I was picking up. This is ‘in part’ what it was about. NO judgement. It explains Pattie’s career choices and interests.

What do you mean by 'cognitive dissonance'?

An English language term to describe a kind of "Huh??" experience when two pieces of information are coming in that seem to contradict each other. It's hard to hold them both in your mind at the same time!

[SilentFeathers]

This explains my cognitive dissonance. I couldn’t reconcile what I was picking up. This is ‘in part’ what it was about. NO judgement. It explains Pattie’s career choices and interests.

What do you mean by 'cognitive dissonance'?

An English language term to describe a kind of "Huh??" experience when two pieces of information are coming in that seem to contradict each other. It's hard to hold them both in your mind at the same time!

only two???? :)

[Atlas]

Thanks Bill. Maybe we should invite Pattie to Avalon's forum and get her out of the conspiracy theory she's jumping into? I'm pretty sure she would have some interesting stuff to tell us...

[Bill Ryan]

Amazing investigating by you guys damn I'm always impressed.

Yep, the forum members have done a good job. (They usually do!)

:)

[RunningDeer]

This explains my cognitive dissonance. I couldn’t reconcile what I was picking up. This is ‘in part’ what it was about. NO judgement. It explains Pattie’s career choices and interests.

What do you mean by 'cognitive dissonance'?

-EDIT-

Just read your previous post:

All while subliminal, encoded messages (including symbolic) flash to program fear, lethargy, warped beliefs, and range of thoughts, feelings and beliefs that we mistakenly call our own.

I concur.

If what’s coming through, shakes at my heart, gut and/or mind, it’s hard to be open to what someone is trying to convince me of. Not until that is reconciled, am I able to be present without the ‘truth/non-truth’ tapes vibrating through the systems.

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This explains my cognitive dissonance. I couldn’t reconcile what I was picking up. This is ‘in part’ what it was about. NO judgement. It explains Pattie’s career choices and interests.

What do you mean by 'cognitive dissonance'?

An English language term to describe a kind of "Huh??" experience when two pieces of information are coming in that seem to contradict each other. It's hard to hold them both in your mind at the same time!

only two???? :)
On a good day.

[Bill Ryan]

This is the database she got her pictures from : http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form

Are you saying that she got her pictures from this database, not from her time on a telescope ?

I don't believe for a second she actually got time on a major telescope, they just don't let anyone use these things.

She has stated here (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2311421/pg27#39458657) that she uses ASCOM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCOM_(standard)






interesting, got this today:

[pattie]

[banned web site]/forum/thread963588/pg1#pid16772405
yes.. if true then NASA not sell a lie to RT TV show folks... may be more inbound.. and I burned my observatory acess

ok, i asked

[p]
and I burned my observatory acess

[me]
why?

[p]
12:50pm
took them pics.. they clamp-down system

[me]
someone asked me which observatory?

[p]
it's the ASCOM system.. to do remote

[marielle]

This is the database she got her pictures from : http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form

Are you saying that she got her pictures from this database, not from her time on a telescope ?

I don't believe for a second she actually got time on a major telescope, they just don't let anyone use these things.

Actually, you *can* buy time on a major telescope. Check out http://www.lightbuckets.com/

[ThePythonicCow]

Actually, you *can* buy time on a major telescope. Check out http://www.lightbuckets.com/
The cost looks to be about $50 to $350 per hour, with $80 per hour most common (cost actually in "points", and one point costs about one $US).

[SilentFeathers]

This is the database she got her pictures from : http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form

Are you saying that she got her pictures from this database, not from her time on a telescope ?

I don't believe for a second she actually got time on a major telescope, they just don't let anyone use these things.

Actually, you *can* buy time on a major telescope. Check out http://www.lightbuckets.com/

Interesting.....I still think she is useing software and not an actual scope....I'd have to see proof before I'd believe much of what she says.

[ThePythonicCow]

Interesting.....I still think she is useing software and not an actual scope....I'd have to see proof before I'd believe much of what she says.
Yeah.

Here's how she responded to a question from Mel Fabregas on this, near the end of the interview 1:03:58:


Mel: And one last question - how were you able to gain
access to one of our observatories if you're still
if you're not still working for

Pattie: You can do it remotely and I don't even want
to go into that discussion cause it would get
me into trouble

Mel: OK

Pattie: It's the same way I get the readings from
the EPA, not through their serve, through
their actual hardware

Mel: OK
She was obviously dodging that question :).

[Sidney]

From another thread that I was unable to link for some reason.

Scientists to create mutant form of new bird flu virus to work out risk of it causing a deadly human pandemic

(First sentence.) Highly transmissible and deadly forms of H7N9 will be made in several high security laboratories around the world - but it is vital to prepare for the threat, the scientists say.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386653/Scientists-make-mutant-forms-H7N9-assess-threat-deadly-human-pandemic.html

If Planet X is determined to wipe us out, what do they need this virus for?? Hmmmmm. To kill off the survivors??? If Patties theory is true, I am thinking there won't be enough survivors to need a silly pandemic. This speaks volumes IMO.

(of course being the archonic evils that they are (big pharma), they probably just can't help themselves, but to create another "kill everything" bug.)

[Atlas]

Got it : it is called Microsoft Research World Wide Telescope (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/whatIs/whatIsWWT.aspx) :

http://images.br.sftcdn.net/br/scrn/71000/71030/worldwide-telescope-8.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JH4ncayg5K4/T29jMA1Kp5I/AAAAAAAABPM/vQv4jmuf0Vg/s1600/WorldWide-Telescope_1.jpg

If you look carefully at Pattie's picture, you'll see: "Imagery: Digitized Sky Survey (color)" which is the link I provided previously (http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form).

I rectify: Pattie's got her picture from Microsoft software, and Microsoft got the picture from The Digitized Sky Surveys (http://archive.stsci.edu/dss/acknowledging.html).

[MargueriteBee]

Would something as drastic as this affect our souls? What about so many people dying at once?

[Bill Ryan]

Got it : it is called Microsoft Research World Wide Telescope (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/whatIs/whatIsWWT.aspx) :

http://images.br.sftcdn.net/br/scrn/71000/71030/worldwide-telescope-8.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JH4ncayg5K4/T29jMA1Kp5I/AAAAAAAABPM/vQv4jmuf0Vg/s1600/WorldWide-Telescope_1.jpg

If you look carefully at Pattie's picture, you'll see: "Imagery: Digitized Sky Survey (color)" which is the link I provided previously (http://archive.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/dss_form).

I rectify: Pattie's got her picture from Microsoft software, and Microsoft got the picture from The Digitized Sky Surveys (http://archive.stsci.edu/dss/acknowledging.html).


Thank you! But I'm going to ask you to explain in more detail, if you could. I went to the Digitized Sky Survey and was NOT able to replicate Pattie's images.

Can you do that?

And why did Pattie's co-ordinates show a real object -- which apparently was not registered or named in the database? (As best I know, EVERY object out there that is known and that can be individually observed has a name or a reference number.)

One important question to answer would be: If you can replicate the co-ordinates exactly, is the unknown object still there, in exactly the same place? Or has it moved, so that it can only be found with different co-ordinates?

If it has moved, than this is an indicator that it's orbiting the sun (and definitely should have a name or number). That's because the 'fixed stars' do not move (apart from what's apparently caused by the movement of the Earth).

If it's orbiting the sun, but is not listed as a known object -- than you may have just discovered 'Planet X'. :)

(And a more general, but almost as important a question -- how did Pattie know here to look?)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

From another thread that I was unable to link for some reason.

Scientists to create mutant form of new bird flu virus to work out risk of it causing a deadly human pandemic

(First sentence.) Highly transmissible and deadly forms of H7N9 will be made in several high security laboratories around the world - but it is vital to prepare for the threat, the scientists say.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386653/Scientists-make-mutant-forms-H7N9-assess-threat-deadly-human-pandemic.html

If Planet X is determined to wipe us out, what do they need this virus for?? Hmmmmm. To kill off the survivors??? If Patties theory is true, I am thinking there won't be enough survivors to need a silly pandemic. This speaks volumes IMO.

(of course being the archonic evils that they are (big pharma), they probably just can't help themselves, but to create another "kill everything" bug.)

If they kill us all they remove their food source and their slaves. Not a smart move on their part.

A genetically selective virus would be more likely.

[schneider]

Has any body heard the interview with Steven d. Kelley? I finally listened to the entire show and it is the best interview out there. She is a female and she considers herself inter gender. She has had two children she had/has a partner named Bill. She never finished high school because she thought things were being taught to her that were not correct. She got her G.E.D in the army and they tested her I.Q. and she scored 176. She was born in a military hospital on a military base and she has a fraternal twin brother. She served in the army in Grenada, Lebanon and the first Gulf War. She has worked for South Bell, NASA and two defense contractors until she was fired for whistle blowing and lost all her benefits and pay. It is a very good interview and you can view it if you are friends on Face Book with Steven for free. Take a listen she is much more open in this interview. Oh and she is an American Indian.

[araucaria]

Here's the clincher for me (3 actually): asked if some of these planets are inhabited, she says yes. How does she knows this simply by using a telescope? (Why is she not helping NASA looking at Mars?).

Methinks she is simply sexing up Zechariah Sitchin. She confirms his 3600 year cycle for this event, although Sitchin himself places the cycle elsewhere on our calendar (Bob Dean disagrees). What happened to planet Earth in c.1600? Santorini erupted and not much else. According to Sitchin, the only effects were due to collisions, bombardments and possibly gravitational effects. This microwave business does not fit his scenario.

And last but not least, what are these life forms that thrive on a permanent basis on this dose of microwave radiation that is supposed to wipe us out in under 6 weeks? It makes no sense.

[araucaria]

Can you tell us a little bit about where or how you obtained these images?

Sure, she's got plenty of pictures here:
s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/library/ (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/library/?sort=3&page=1)
and here:
plus.google.com/110506360264375199114/photos (https://plus.google.com/110506360264375199114/photos)

This explains my cognitive dissonance. I couldn’t reconcile what I was picking up. This is ‘in part’ what it was about. NO judgement. It explains Pattie’s career choices and interests.

Link provided by buares:

Found @ photobucket/Pattie_Brassard's Library/Facebook/Profile Pictures/My Stuff. Pattie could have chosen to click private on her photobucket account.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Pattie_zps6c0caaad.jpg
Thanks Paula, no problem with that

[Atlas]

One important question to answer would be: If you can replicate the co-ordinates exactly, is the unknown object still there, in exactly the same place? Or has it moved, so that it can only be found with different co-ordinates?

Yes the object is still there, it hasn't moved, see it for yourself in one click:
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.14861111111111&dec=22.79&zoom=0.871831403894357 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.14861111111111&dec=22.79&zoom=0.871831403894357)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/object1.jpg

My laptop is not powerful enough to evaluate how she found it, I don't even have a mouse to zoom in/out but here is how to do it:

1- open the Microsoft telescope web client by clicking here: worldwidetelescope.org/webclient/ (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/webclient/)

2- click "search" on the top row

3- enter the "Ra" and "Dec" values you can find on Pattie's picture

4- click "Go"

That's it ! Nibiru on your computer screen !! ;)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/object2.jpg

[Billy]

That's it ! Nibiru on your computer screen !! ;)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/object2.jpg

Thank you for your input buares. An Amazing capture, Well done.

[ThePythonicCow]

That's it ! Nibiru on your computer screen !! ;)

Thank you for your input buares. An Amazing capture, Well done.

So ... the above image is from the , and is the same one that Pattie saved on her Photobucket page here (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/media/Sky%20Views/WhosTHIS_zpsa5931638.jpg.html?sort=3&o=16):

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Sky%20Views/WhosTHIS_zpsa5931638.jpg

Yes, these are images from The STScI Digitized Sky Survey (DSS) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitized_Sky_Survey). The first generation DSS was released in 1994, and the second generation was released in 2006.

These are static images from the past. There is no way to tell motion from them.

===

I can see that we know where some of the images she saved on her Photobucket page came from ... but how do we know that any of these DSS images are the ones she is claiming to have taken in recent weeks?

[araucaria]

Are those stars in the foreground? In that case it must be a very distant object.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes the object is still there, it hasn't moved
It hasn't moved because we are looking at The STScI Digitized Sky Survey (DSS) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitized_Sky_Survey) -- images recorded in the past and showing the entire sky, at the time the survey was taken.

[Atlas]

Yes the object is still there, it hasn't moved
It hasn't moved because we are looking at The STScI Digitized Sky Survey (DSS) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitized_Sky_Survey) -- images recorded in the past and showing the entire sky, at the time the survey was taken.

Absolutely, IMO this is just an anomaly, like the ones you can find sometimes on Google Earth but I might be wrong.

My view is that Pattie's warning of imminent threat is actually the comet ISON (fits distance and timing) and its potential meteor shower, so that her advice to find shelter is still valid:

_eSYxvUWwVk
"For several days around January 12, 2014, Earth will pass through a stream of fine-grained debris from Comet ISON," says meteor researcher Paul Wiegert of the University of Western Ontario.

They will be hitting at a speed of 56 km/s or 125,000 mph. Because the particles are so small, Earth's upper atmosphere will rapidly slow them to a stop.

"Instead of burning up in a flash of light, they will drift gently down to the Earth below," he says.

[araucaria]

My view is that Pattie's warning of imminent threat is actually the comet ISON (fits distance and timing) and its potential meteorites shower, so that her advice to dig and find shelter is still valid.

First I've heard of Ison doing any damage in the next few days. If her diagnosis is so way out, I think her advice has very little if any validity.

[Hazel]

Calm thy beating heart(s)...

Pattie has collated and woven a tapestry of intrigue nothing more... I can hear it through her voice.

Why is it that we so easily feed on such delusion, are we so desperately hungry for "something to come down the pike" of such sweeping change, that we cannot discern?

Maybe I will be deemed 'in denial' / niaeve... but this thread has shaken my tree regards what seems to be a deep yearning in myself and many others here. It's in the human psyche to seek/create/evolve.. But with the greatest respect... surely 'we egg each other on' a bit too slant ways hear at times ;)

By the same token, as ever I remain open and am learning from everyone here continuously.

My thanks to all...


p.s.. Comet ISON passes by in Nov' 2013

[greybeard]

WARNINGS OF PLANET X , COMET ISON , POLE SHIFT UNDER GROUND BUNKERS.

This may have been posted before but possibly relevant to this thread as Ison has been mentioned.

Ps.
I would point out that clips from a film are also included so its hard to tell where reality and fiction lie.
Discernment urged.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj0f6FeQRFE

[RunningDeer]

Thanks Paula, no problem with that

Me neither. Though it does explain differently from what Pattie says, “If you check on my security clearance it says it’s under investigation, and they’re trying to disappear me now. Wiped out my records for the military....”

Quick link @ 8:45 (http://youtu.be/ye9BgvNvjK0?t=8m45s)

Mel: "Are you still active as a contractor for the government?"

Pattie: "No. No. Matter of fact, they’ve taken away my security clearance. If you check on my security clearance it says it’s under investigation, and they’re trying to disappear me now. Wiped out my records for the military. I can’t even get them now. Ah, a copy of them. They’ve wiped me off the computer. I can’t collect unemployment. I have no medical insurance. I can’t get anything. I don’t even get VA disability any more..."

[araucaria]

_eSYxvUWwVk


This vid states that already near Jupiter Ison was releasing 112,000 pounds of dust per minute. 3000 tons per hour (over 2 million tons per month) for months on end strikes me as pretty impressive for a tiny comet. Would this rate be expected to continue come November, I wonder. It seems to me that it would come away the Sun as a much smaller and less active comet altogether.

Comets usually turn out to be damp squibs, and it looks to me like ISON is being overhyped while it is still a good way off.

[SilentFeathers]

Don't forget, this woman also said California would be destroyed by an earthquake in a couple weeks or before the end of the month....(starting with Seattle)

She's jumping all over the place with some BIG claims, too big for her britches in my opinion.

[kevlar]

Here is an interview with her that i don't think has been posted yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pFu0of5wTE&feature=share

Love kevlar

[Bill Ryan]

One important question to answer would be: If you can replicate the co-ordinates exactly, is the unknown object still there, in exactly the same place? Or has it moved, so that it can only be found with different co-ordinates?

Yes the object is still there, it hasn't moved, see it for yourself in one click:
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.14861111111111&dec=22.79&zoom=0.871831403894357 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.14861111111111&dec=22.79&zoom=0.871831403894357)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/object1.jpg

My laptop is not powerful enough to evaluate how she found it, I don't even have a mouse to zoom in/out but here is how to do it:

1- open the Microsoft telescope web client by clicking here: worldwidetelescope.org/webclient/ (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/webclient/)

2- click "search" on the top row

3- enter the "Ra" and "Dec" values you can find on Pattie's picture

4- click "Go"

That's it ! Nibiru on your computer screen !! ;)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/object2.jpg


But (forgive me for seeming to be obtuse!) -- this object, according to her page below, is NOT what she's saying 'Nibiru' or 'the second sun' is. She has all kinds of pictures on her Facebook album (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.195441690617798&type=3), including Ganymede, which is not 'the second sun' either. :)

http://citizenperth.com/DoomSite/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3

But i do very much appreciate your digging into this. I will do so myself as well, because (for me) all my [astronomical] questions are not yet answered.


Calm thy beating heart(s)...

Pattie has collated and woven a tapestry of intrigue nothing more... I can hear it through her voice.



Yes, she's weaving a tapestry, and is joining a bunch of dots she's been collecting to make a picture that I'm sure is not correct (about a cataclysm in the next few weeks). Don't go burying your RVs, please!

My interest is whether there's something out there that may cause a problem later (in a few years' time, which has been my conclusion for a while now). I'm still intrigued about what the source of her astronomical analysis is -- though one possibility has to be that she is mentally unbalanced (a gentle way of saying that she's nuts).

And I do want to know what the objects are that she screen-shotted but which apparently are not in the database of astronomical objects.

** What is THIS? And where is it? -->

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg
Our other sun.. <-- [says Pattie]




Why is it that we so easily feed on such delusion, are we so desperately hungry for "something to come down the pike" of such sweeping change, that we cannot discern?



Good question. I don't think we feed on it in quite that way. I don't, anyway!

Speaking personally here" this is what I know, about myself. For a fact.


I'm on a mission, and others are too.



We're trying to warn those who are awake and aware [enough!] -- of something.



There are good reasons to be concerned about quite a large menu of possible bad-news scenarios. ALL IS NOT WELL ON PLANET EARTH. For me, this is clear and obvious, and also important. It's exactly why whoever's reading this now may be here.



Here's one reason, which I've not yet mentioned on this thread. Mat Stein, who wrote WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS (http://whentechfails.com), was a mainstream engineer and a very practical guy... who meditated sometimes.



About 15 years ago, he had a huge download, which he later came to suspect came directly from benevolent ETs or wise astral allies of some kind. He was 'told' to write his book.



At first he was skeptical of his own experience-- but wrote the book anyway. His own research compelled and 'converted him'. Why did that happen to him?



I've had my own 'warnings', too. So have many others reading this. But part of the confusion, I believe, is that we are multiply-occupying multiple possible timelines.



The consensus of all abductees and contactees who report information that they've been told or shown is that bad things MIGHT happen. Many of these scenarios are those of vast destruction -- a good reason why these beings, if they're friendly, may be concerned.



Some of you will know that towards the end of my last lifetime, in 1948, I was on of the first abductees. I was shown a devastating vision of the Earth, which was 'burning'. I think I was being shown images either of a global nuclear war (I think that was it), or some other catastrophe. I cannot even now look at that memory without feeling emotional. Here's the full account -- an interesting story:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago

At that time, I was not able to handle what I was shown. It was overwhelming. (The ETs may be learning, too.) I'm pretty sure now it was a possible future, not a definite one.

But the reason for anyone to be warned about anything is so it can be avoided. And meanwhile, the nature of existence here -- a large part of the challenge of the 'game' we're all playing -- is that we do not have all the information -- and nor should we. Having superpowers makes any challenge trivial.

I suggest that this is the answer to your question, and what so many of us are trying to figure out. And it's got nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind. If I'm guiding a client on a mountain, and I sense an avalanche danger, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.

[Atlas]

this object, according to her page below, is NOT what she's saying 'Nibiru' or 'the second sun' is. She has all kinds of pictures on her Facebook album (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.195441690617798&type=3), including Ganymede, which is not 'the second sun' either. :)

And I do want to know what the objects are that she screen-shotted but which apparently are not in the database of astronomical objects.

** What is THIS? And where is it? -->

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg
Our other sun.. <-- [says Pattie]

You're right. Here is Pattie's second sun according to the coordinates:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss00.jpg
Just modify the last digits of the url to zoom in or out :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss1.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.23 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.23)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss2.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.1 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.1)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss3.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.05 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.05)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss4.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.02 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.05)

[araucaria]

Bill, no: she calls this "Jupiter's big sister" with this comment:

Some PROBLEMS This one is larger than Jupiter by more than four TIMES !!!

This will be swinging by the EARTH.. and cause some major GRAVITY PROBLEMS !!! It will definitively FORCE-FINISH our pole-swap that's already started! Also, cause MAJOR FLOODING !! Remember Noah...? YEP! That was caused by the LAST TIME these visitors came by...!
http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg

Edit: sorry, my mistake, the planet is an almost identical-looking grey affair

[Bill Ryan]

this object, according to her page below, is NOT what she's saying 'Nibiru' or 'the second sun' is. She has all kinds of pictures on her Facebook album (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.195441690617798&type=3), including Ganymede, which is not 'the second sun' either. :)

And I do want to know what the objects are that she screen-shotted but which apparently are not in the database of astronomical objects.

** What is THIS? And where is it? -->

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg
Our other sun.. <-- [says Pattie]

You're right. Here is Pattie's second sun according to the coordinates:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss00.jpg
Just modify the last digits of the url to zoom in or out :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss1.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.23 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.23)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss2.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.1 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.1)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss3.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.05 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.05)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss4.jpg
www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.02 (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.44416666666667&dec=23.1411111111111&zoom=0.05)


Fabulous! Take a bow. We'll award you Avalon's gold star for outstanding research of the month! :)

One more question:

What is this star? Can we find out its name in the database catalog?

(If we can, the 'Pattie' case is closed and locked tight shut.)

[Atlas]

Bill, no: she calls this "Jupiter's big sister" with this comment:

Some PROBLEMS This one is larger than Jupiter by more than four TIMES !!!

This will be swinging by the EARTH.. and cause some major GRAVITY PROBLEMS !!! It will definitively FORCE-FINISH our pole-swap that's already started! Also, cause MAJOR FLOODING !! Remember Noah...? YEP! That was caused by the LAST TIME these visitors came by...!
http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg

Edit: sorry, my mistake, the planet is an almost identical-looking grey affair

No mistake araucaria, thanks a lot :

On your left is the second sun and on your right is Jupiter's big sister
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss99.jpg
http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/wwtweb/goto.aspx?object=ViewShortcut&ra=6.4437165397523&dec=23.1405839065592&zoom=0.1

[Atlas]

Take a bow. We'll award you Avalon's gold star for outstanding research of the month! :)

One more question:

What is this star? Can we find out its name in the database catalog?

(If we can, the 'Pattie' case is closed and locked tight shut.)

Hey, thanks for that Bill ! ;)

That's the first time I use this software, I can't find the names of the objects...

Here is a wider view of the second sun:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/pattiesecondsun.jpg

And here is what the finder scope says about Jupiter's big sister:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/pattiesjupitersister.jpg

[araucaria]

What is this star? Can we find out its name in the database catalog?

(If we can, the 'Pattie' case is closed and locked tight shut.)

None of the catalogs on that screen list it. For anyone looking out of the window, it is somewhere in the vicinity of µ in Gemini :)

[SilentFeathers]

Try finding it with another program, such as starry night or stellarium....if you get time. It may just be that program not naming it, worth cross referencing it in another program IMO.

I'd do it but I'm at work and a bit busy right now (but not too busy to keep checking in on this thread!) LOL :)

[RunningDeer]

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Buares_Star_zps7223e1a5.gif

:wave:


Fabulous! Take a bow. We'll award you Avalon's gold star for outstanding research of the month! :)

Just modify the last digits of the url to zoom in or out :

[araucaria]

Fabulous! Take a bow. We'll award you Avalon's gold star for outstanding research of the month! :)
Congratulation buares :)

I think there should also be an award for Pattie. She has worked out not only the second sun's distance and trajectory but also the large planet’s in relation to its own sun, to our Sun and to the Earth. That to me sounds pretty impressive. I mean, how much time has she had to calculate, with the precision needed to predict an eclipse, the possibly century-long orbit of a planet whose star is visibly approaching us, given that that star system is also presumably being disturbed by the close presence of our Sun? Amazing.


I wonder did she say how long she has been on the case? She joined the Doomsite forum on Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:05 am and made her nine posts within two hours of that, the last at 5:04.

[yukondiva]

isn't this Zachari Stichen stuff? 350,000 yr cycle.

[RunningDeer]

Deleted, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

[Chip]

This has been very intriguing topic of study. There is most definitely a global warning in the collective conscience that burdens our soul for answers. I believe Pattie is speaking her truth, I'm not convinced she is correct. But the fact of the matter is that in her delusion it made me face some rather personal and soul searching questions about facing an ending. I'm glad for this. Although I am an avid "prepper", I'm also prepared spiritually (should be part of prepping) for my long awaited departure from this "meat suit" I inhabit.
When we are spiritually "prepped" we are also strengthened to preserve our moral heritage when the time comes.
Peace and love

[tnkayaker]

so i listened to this interview, interesting but over all i think john lear summed it up when he said the ETs will never let anything major happen to this planet as there would be no place for incarnated souls to go to learn their lessons etc., for this very issue this planet is protected for that reason, they (the ETs) dont step in between most of what happens from our own inner conflicts but as far as anything major he says that we are protected from anything major happening, so im on board with his information, just think all of the past warnings about major things happening hasnt happend, so someone or something is protecting the earth form anything major, just a few thoughts, ya'll have a good day, peace,dennis

[conk]

The hand drawn map of the future landscape of the USA depicts an Edgar Cayce prediction, that the Great Lakes would drain into the Gulf of Mexico. Well, actually the East Coast resembles his prediction as well.

[ROMANWKT]

Well I have had a bloody good look around and listened to 3 videos, and to the he/she voice and answers, some answers being hesitant and lack of knowledge to what we all seem to know about, conclusion is that its all possible, but not understanding why the effect are not as yet visible here in England. if he/she is doing this to bring attention to what is happening, its working, with all these things mentioned in the videos, about the dumps, nuclear power station, chemtrails, harrp, GMOs, plutonium weaponry, etc: then he /she done a great job, and we humanity have lost again for the 6th time because of our ignorance and stupidity, well done the human race. Its our fault, we allowed them to steal and lie their way out, right in front of our faces.

roman

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Has anyone asked Patty directly to clarify her statements?

Maybe point to some specific links that could be independently verified?

She is on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/PattieBFine?fref=ts) so it would be easy to ask for all to see.

Maybe she would reply.

Nothing BIG can pass through our solar system without changing planetary orbits on the way in.

[Atlas]

conclusion is that its all possible

I agree. There is no video of Pattie Brassard, she may well be a fake character intended to deceive us.

[norman]

I'm in very little doubt about what I make of Pattie.

I'm probably about to witness a slaughter of her by info vigilantes who are so sure they are logical and correct.

I'm almost in an agreement with the basic premiss that she's not quite right. My only concern is that she's one of us and deserves enough respect to get her head back in the healthier place we advocate as truthers.

Truth may be a tad novel for her just yet, but we should give her the space to work out that it's where she really wants to go. If we stick the knife in right now, we commit a crime against her.

[ThePythonicCow]

cursichella1 has posted a scathing critique of Pattie Brassard from Zetatalk, on another thread: NASA and TPTW have declared war on us and there's proof! -- Post #82 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60421-NASA-and-TPTW-have-declared-war-on-us-and-there-s-proof-&p=712988&viewfull=1#post712988).

[schneider]

I sent James McCanney an email about Pattie with links to the Mel interview as well as the pictures of the so called Planet X. I don't know if he was able to hear the interview but his response on his Thursday radio show was that a lot of people are crying wolf right now and unfortunately when it is really time to pay attention and listen up people will think its just another false alarm. However, Pattie and James McCanney both think Ison will be much bigger than what NASA is saying.

[Bill Ryan]

cursichella1 has posted a scathing critique of Pattie Brassard from Zetatalk, on another thread: NASA and TPTW have declared war on us and there's proof! -- Post #82 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60421-NASA-and-TPTW-have-declared-war-on-us-and-there-s-proof-&p=712988&viewfull=1#post712988).

And here's my scathing critique of that!

-->




-- (quoting the 'Zetas', who are claimed to be ETs) --

With $56 per subscriber, at 10,000 subscribers she would pull in half a million dollars, and if the announcement happens soon as she senses it will, she could be fabulously wealthy, or so goes the logic.

Well, The Zetas clearly aren't quite as smart and well-informed as some people think they are. :)

It's Mel Fabregas (as Veritas Radio) that charges $56 for 6 months subscription. Not Pattie!

The day when Avalon depends on the 'Zetas' confirmation for anything will be a sad one. Nancy Lieder (who 'channels' the 'Zetas') is off-the wall deluded. I'd like to say you read it here first, but you probably didn't.

:)

No more Zeta talk, please. We can depend on facts and real logic to get straight about this. Nothing else is needed.

:focus:

[frozen alchemy]

If s/he is 'dead man walking' and so ill that no survival plans are in the offing, why then be afraid of 'getting into trouble' for accessing government astronomical data, as mentioned in the very end of the Veritas interview?

At least the truth will be known in a few short weeks instead of the interminable 'years from now' Wolf-Calls most of these types come up with.

Seriously, this looks for all the world like Hollywood's greatest disaster movie scripts plus every doomer porn site, all rolled into one. Drake on steroids, indeed.

[Chip]

cursichella1 has posted a scathing critique of Pattie Brassard from Zetatalk, on another thread: NASA and TPTW have declared war on us and there's proof! -- Post #82 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60421-NASA-and-TPTW-have-declared-war-on-us-and-there-s-proof-&p=712988&viewfull=1#post712988).

And here's my scathing critique of that!

-->




-- (quoting the 'Zetas', who are claimed to be ETs) --

With $56 per subscriber, at 10,000 subscribers she would pull in half a million dollars, and if the announcement happens soon as she senses it will, she could be fabulously wealthy, or so goes the logic.

Well, The Zetas clearly aren't quite as smart and well-informed as some people think they are. :)

It's Mel Fabregas (as Veritas Radio) that charges $56 for 6 months subscription. Not Pattie!

The day when Avalon depends on the 'Zetas' confirmation for anything will be a sad one. Nancy Lieder (who 'channels' the 'Zetas') is off-the wall deluded. I'd like to say you read it here first, but you probably didn't.

:)

No more Zeta talk, please. We can depend on facts and real logic to get straight about this. Nothing else is needed.

:focus:

Yes I agree, no more zeta talk. Hell, we've got people burying their campers and RV's we don't need anyone shooting their pets now too.
:confused:

[Sidney]

Fabulous! Take a bow. We'll award you Avalon's gold star for outstanding research of the month! :)
Congratulation buares :)

I think there should also be an award for Pattie. She has worked out not only the second sun's distance and trajectory but also the large planet’s in relation to its own sun, to our Sun and to the Earth. That to me sounds pretty impressive. I mean, how much time has she had to calculate, with the precision needed to predict an eclipse, the possibly century-long orbit of a planet whose star is visibly approaching us, given that that star system is also presumably being disturbed by the close presence of our Sun? Amazing.


I wonder did she say how long she has been on the case? She joined the Doomsite forum on Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:05 am and made her nine posts within two hours of that, the last at 5:04.

Are you saying it is of your opinion that her "prognosis" is or may be correct? If we have a view of this object via that computer program (or other), can we not watch it in the coming days/weeks, to track the trajectory? Moving forward with this with a scientific and logical viewpoint IMO is the only way to find the facts whether or not this thing(s) is on course to come close to us. I personally am not in the position to have the ability to do so or I would, I am just not educated enough to know what the heck I am looking at, or its exact location. But I know, most likely , some people here at avalon are capable of deciphering this type of information when it it put before us. At this point, perhaps we should take Patty out of the equation. We have the beginnings of an investigation. Lets dig, and see what there is to find. Perhaps, nothing. And perhaps, we should start packing. Either, or, with the technology that is available to us, we should be able to find some real answers.

[ThePythonicCow]

If we have a view of this object via that computer program (or other), can we not watch it in the coming days/weeks, to track the trajectory? Moving forward with this with a scientific and logical viewpoint IMO is the only way to find the facts whether or not this thing(s) is on course to come close to us.
Those images that buares tracked down are from the Digitized Sky Survey (DSS). There is no motion, no trajectory, no information in those images about how those objects are moving. The program just allows convenient display of some onetime, static, images taken several years ago. Each object pictured is only shown once, the way it was seen at some single moment in time.

The program is needed because the total image size is really big. One of the most recent DSS releases (http://www.sdss3.org/press/20110111.largestimage.php) has a trillion pixels, which would fill a half million high definition TV screens. So you need a program to navigate them (or a half million monitors, and an NSA sized computer facility to house and power those monitors.)

We do not know what this object was, nor where it's moving to, or how fast:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/ss1.jpg

[Sidney]

Those images that buares tracked down are from the Digitized Sky Survey (DSS). There is no motion, no trajectory, no information in those images about how those objects are moving. The program just allows convenient display of some onetime, static, images taken several years ago. Each object pictured is only shown once, the way it was seen at some single moment in time.

The program is needed because the total image size is really big. One of the most recent DSS releases (http://www.sdss3.org/press/20110111.largestimage.php) has a trillion pixels, which would fill a half million high definition TV screens. So you need a program to navigate them (or a half million monitors, and an NSA sized computer facility to house and power those monitors.)


Well, darn. Any other ideas? And, can Patties theory be debunked by these same images? Or are we just back to square one? I just kind of feel like we are left "hanging" at this point.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, darn. Any other ideas? And, can Patties theory be debunked by these same images? Or are we just back to square one? I just kind of feel like we are left "hanging" at this point.
Many of the details of Pattie's testimony are, in the view of myself and some others posting here, not credible. The inconsistent details that we have noticed so far have been described above in this thread.

The larger concern is likely valid, as Bill and yet others posting above have explained. Bill has interviewed and talked with quite a few people who have detailed knowledge of various aspects of an increased threat to the solar system, and planet earth, from another close approach of a celestial planet or small star, as has been spoken of in legends. The details are not consistent between witnesses, but the overall concern is serious.

I don't look to Pattie to provide us with useful information about this. Perhaps others do.

I do look to the members of this forum to continue to gather and share useful information and insight about this, and other major challenges we apparently face, such as financial collapse, yet more tyranny, our own devastation of this wonderful planet and of our own humanity and civilization, and interactions with aliens.

The key antidotes for these challenges are healthy personal and community growth.

[araucaria]

Are you saying it is of your opinion that her "prognosis" is or may be correct? If we have a view of this object via that computer program (or other), can we not watch it in the coming days/weeks, to track the trajectory? Moving forward with this with a scientific and logical viewpoint IMO is the only way to find the facts whether or not this thing(s) is on course to come close to us. I personally am not in the position to have the ability to do so or I would, I am just not educated enough to know what the heck I am looking at, or its exact location. But I know, most likely , some people here at avalon are capable of deciphering this type of information when it it put before us. At this point, perhaps we should take Patty out of the equation. We have the beginnings of an investigation. Lets dig, and see what there is to find. Perhaps, nothing. And perhaps, we should start packing. Either, or, with the technology that is available to us, we should be able to find some real answers.

I was trying to say politely that Pattie's story implies a great deal more information than meets the eye, as well as some that could never have come out of a telescope. She told Mel there was life on some of these planets: NASA doesn't even know if there is/has been life on Mars after umpteen visits (at least that's the story). This implied intelligent life form lives on a permanent basis next to a microwave star that is supposed to deep-fry us.

In view of the repercussions of her story, we know far too little about Pattie to accept either her testimony or what we do have on who she is. There may well be a real suffering person behind this, and we are all thinking of her, but with a story like this, such exposure to scrutiny goes with the territory. Hell, with a story like this, if it came from Obama himself, we would have to say we know way too little about Obama.

I am not sure we are going to get to the "truth" of this anyway. These images could be a deliberate artefact in any one of many different ways, up to and including a hologram in outer space.

[cursichella1]

Wow, sorry my post ruffled feathers. Please allow me to explain the missed point. I'd thought it was fairly obvious to most here that Brassard and Zetas have parallel claims, so learning that the Zetas had addressed the Brassard issue and of the criticism leveled, seemingly because Brassard wasn't crediting the Zetas for the "scoop", felt kind of relevant.

This wasn't a backhanded Zeta promotion in any way and had I known it was such a touchy subject, wouldn't have posted it at all. Sheesh...:confused:

[Hazel]

I suggest that this is the answer to your question, and what so many of us are trying to figure out. And it's got nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind. If I'm guiding a client on a mountain, and I sense an avalanche danger, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.


I hear you Bill and you have my utmost respect regards your integrity and intent. A few short years ago, I went through an intensive period of seeing many things with my minds eye (with clarity) from an off-planet and on planet view-point of such things as apocalyptic devastation and tunnels underground with rail lines carrying large stores of gold bullion. In fact many detailed scenarios were screened up of what may have been scenes from my previous lives also... but also scenes from contemporary times observing others. All this was/is puzzling to me... as I'm not certain its not just some form of lucid dreaming, over-active imagination or self-induced form of dissociation. But reading your experience and theories... has me wonder if l'm not one of those who has experienced abduction but has no actual recall of such. In the scheme of things I'm no doubt just one of many that respond to you with such personal stories. So no need to give me any feed back.. just wanted to relay my appreciation for who you are and what you do.




Calm thy beating heart(s)...

Pattie has collated and woven a tapestry of intrigue nothing more... I can hear it through her voice.




Yes, she's weaving a tapestry, and is joining a bunch of dots she's been collecting to make a picture that I'm sure is not correct (about a cataclysm in the next few weeks). Don't go burying your RVs, please!

My interest is whether there's something out there that may cause a problem later (in a few years' time, which has been my conclusion for a while now). I'm still intrigued about what the source of her astronomical analysis is -- though one possibility has to be that she is mentally unbalanced (a gentle way of saying that she's nuts).

And I do want to know what the objects are that she screen-shotted but which apparently are not in the database of astronomical objects.

** What is THIS? And where is it? -->

http://projectavalon.net/Pattie_Brassard_images/Capture-5.jpg
Our other sun.. <-- [says Pattie]


[QUOTE=recap1;712894]

Why is it that we so easily feed on such delusion, are we so desperately hungry for "something to come down the pike" of such sweeping change, that we cannot discern?




Good question. I don't think we feed on it in quite that way. I don't, anyway!


** Excuse my cautioning nature Bill, but due to my own experiences as alluded to above, I tend to question my own and test those of others, as though I have a tuning fork for bull****. But of course my 'tuning fork' may be at times a resistant instrument to 'true' resonance... so I realise I may need to soften and curb my lip some :blabla:!

On that note: may 'the truth' unveil for the good of one and all...

[ulli]

Well, darn. Any other ideas? And, can Patties theory be debunked by these same images? Or are we just back to square one? I just kind of feel like we are left "hanging" at this point.
Many of the details of Pattie's testimony are, in the view of myself and some others posting here, not credible. The inconsistent details that we have noticed so far have been described above in this thread.

The larger concern is likely valid, as Bill and yet others posting above have explained. Bill has interviewed and talked with quite a few people who have detailed knowledge of various aspects of an increased threat to the solar system, and planet earth, from another close approach of a celestial planet or small star, as has been spoken of in legends. The details are not consistent between witnesses, but the overall concern is serious.

I don't look to Pattie to provide us with useful information about this. Perhaps others do.

I do look to the members of this forum to continue to gather and share useful information and insight about this, and other major challenges we apparently face, such as financial collapse, yet more tyranny, our own devastation of this wonderful planet and of our own humanity and civilization, and interactions with aliens.

The key antidotes for these challenges are healthy personal and community growth.


Personal and community growth. Now we are talking.
Growth to become 'what'??
Studying prophecies and beliefs must eventually lead to another field of study,
and that is the seers and proponents themselves.
We need to ask ourselves the very valid question
'what do these seers all have in common?'
I propose that their common ground is more often than not that they are members of an extremely powerful hierarchy, whether military or religion, which has disconnected them from their personal power source.
The result is a fragmented personality.
Split personality. When they become healed, eventually, they will discover their personal power can remedy the doom vision of their earlier, split selves. Since any entity which is not whole, has only limited existence, it creates scenarios of its own demise, and often even invents a collective death scenario, so as not to have to face their death all by themselves.
If they can convince enough people of their imagined future then such a future will come about.
Belief causes physical reality, not vice versa. We need to take back our power here, and not buy into other people's beliefs..
Instead create a world we wish to see, for our own benefit and that of our fellow man.

[ulli]

Are you saying it is of your opinion that her "prognosis" is or may be correct? If we have a view of this object via that computer program (or other), can we not watch it in the coming days/weeks, to track the trajectory? Moving forward with this with a scientific and logical viewpoint IMO is the only way to find the facts whether or not this thing(s) is on course to come close to us. I personally am not in the position to have the ability to do so or I would, I am just not educated enough to know what the heck I am looking at, or its exact location. But I know, most likely , some people here at avalon are capable of deciphering this type of information when it it put before us. At this point, perhaps we should take Patty out of the equation. We have the beginnings of an investigation. Lets dig, and see what there is to find. Perhaps, nothing. And perhaps, we should start packing. Either, or, with the technology that is available to us, we should be able to find some real answers.

I was trying to say politely that Pattie's story implies a great deal more information than meets the eye, as well as some that could never have come out of a telescope. She told Mel there was life on some of these planets: NASA doesn't even know if there is/has been life on Mars after umpteen visits (at least that's the story). This implied intelligent life form lives on a permanent basis next to a microwave star that is supposed to deep-fry us.

In view of the repercussions of her story, we know far too little about Pattie to accept either her testimony or what we do have on who she is. There may well be a real suffering person behind this, and we are all thinking of her, but with a story like this, such exposure to scrutiny goes with the territory. Hell, with a story like this, if it came from Obama himself, we would have to say we know way too little about Obama.

I am not sure we are going to get to the "truth" of this anyway. These images could be a deliberate artefact in any one of many different ways, up to and including a hologram in outer space.

Excellent points there, araucaria. And I'd like to add here, since we don't even know yet what is inside the orbs which float around our rooms, and appear on our digital photos, how much less can we know what is millions of miles away in outer space, captured by a telescope and camera online, out of focus, with no details visible whatsoever.
Whatever it is, we can make it do a U-turn and go back to where it came from, boomerang style.

[Hazel]

Post from Ulli: Personal and community growth. Now we are talking.
Growth to become 'what'??
Studying prophecies and beliefs must eventually lead to another field of study,
and that is the seers and proponents themselves.
We need to ask ourselves the very valid question
'what do these seers all have in common?'
I propose that their common ground is more often than not that they are members of an extremely powerful hierarchy, whether military or religion, which has disconnected them from their personal power source.
The result is a fragmented personality.
Split personality. When they become healed, eventually, they will discover their personal power can remedy the doom vision of their earlier, split selves. Since any entity which is not whole, has only limited existence, it creates scenarios of its own demise, and often even invents a collective death scenario, so as not to have to face their death all by themselves.
If they can convince enough people of their imagined future then such a future will come about.
Belief causes physical reality, not vice versa. We need to take back our power here, and not buy into other people's beliefs..
Instead create a world we wish to see, for our own benefit and that of our fellow man.

You have synthesised so much here which is of great use..
Thank you Ulli

[ThePythonicCow]

Growth to become 'what'??
Growth is not in the destination, but in the journey.

Yes - as you say so well - we have an individual capacity to discern, which we must not abdicate for the corrupt schemes of some seemingly powerful hierarchy.

[MorningSong]

For what it's worth, I have noticed that there are several forums trying to get to the bottom of the Pattie Brassard interviews and who he/she really is.

This has just come to me from one of those forums:


With regards to all the hoop about Pattie Brassard's information....... please read this recent post from her FB page.
I believe is relevant .

Doreen Barbieri
Patrick Brassard AK (Pattie Brassard) L is for Louise, my mother's middle name which he assigned to himself... disgraceful...is a man living in my mother's bedroom who hasn't left it since he occupied it 4 years ago after her death and wears her cloths. He lives on my father's SS and contribute nothing to the household. And he has never giving Birth to a daughter.... Most of what he says is made up with a grain of truth to it. He was in the army and left under less than desirable circumstances, He never parachuted into Grenada nor did he get deployed to Iraq. I changed his diapers as a baby and I can assure you there is no proof of him having surgery to change his gender. As far as NASA is concern, he did some wiring for their computer systems. He NEVER made a missile or designed a robot for the radiation plant in Japan. His heart is bad because of doing years of hormone replacement and then stopping because he could no longer afford it!!!... The TRUTH about Pattie Brassard is that he has a sister by the name of Patricia Brassard and what he is doing is scaring people who think he is qualified to be saying what he does. The payoff??? hearing his name on the internet, the radio, and having all of you people out there praising him.. I employ everyone out there to stop!!!! For God's sake look at his picture and make an informed and use critical thinking skills... And by all means do not send him your money....

3 minutes ago · Like · 1..

I don't facebook so I cannot confirm this post over there..... this gets weirder and weirder......

[Hazel]

Don't know about anyone else... but to my sense of it all the "hoop" fits and I for one can wear it :nerd:

[SilentFeathers]

Just by listening to her speak about these things, personally, I don't think Ms. Brassard cares a bit if any one believes her or not....she believes it to be true. (Just my opinion).

I really don't sense any dark agenda on her behalf. I do think she is untruthful perhaps a bit about her background etc., but she really seems to believe herself what she is claiming is absolute truth.....perhaps she's been watching too many youtube videos and reading to many wacky sensational websites....

¤=[Post Update]=¤


For what it's worth, I have noticed that there are several forums trying to get to the bottom of the Pattie Brassard interviews and who he/she really is.

This has just come to me from one of those forums:


With regards to all the hoop about Pattie Brassard's information....... please read this recent post from her FB page.
I believe is relevant .

Doreen Barbieri
Patrick Brassard AK (Pattie Brassard) L is for Louise, my mother's middle name which he assigned to himself... disgraceful...is a man living in my mother's bedroom who hasn't left it since he occupied it 4 years ago after her death and wears her cloths. He lives on my father's SS and contribute nothing to the household. And he has never giving Birth to a daughter.... Most of what he says is made up with a grain of truth to it. He was in the army and left under less than desirable circumstances, He never parachuted into Grenada nor did he get deployed to Iraq. I changed his diapers as a baby and I can assure you there is no proof of him having surgery to change his gender. As far as NASA is concern, he did some wiring for their computer systems. He NEVER made a missile or designed a robot for the radiation plant in Japan. His heart is bad because of doing years of hormone replacement and then stopping because he could no longer afford it!!!... The TRUTH about Pattie Brassard is that he has a sister by the name of Patricia Brassard and what he is doing is scaring people who think he is qualified to be saying what he does. The payoff??? hearing his name on the internet, the radio, and having all of you people out there praising him.. I employ everyone out there to stop!!!! For God's sake look at his picture and make an informed and use critical thinking skills... And by all means do not send him your money....

3 minutes ago · Like · 1..

I don't facebook so I cannot confirm this post over there..... this gets weirder and weirder......

Something like this wouldn't surprise me either....

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Sigh, all that hoopla for 15 minutes of fame, attention whoring is such a drag, ah well, for the rest of the story we'll see in about three weeks what's left of it or us.

[nonesuch]

A few mornings ago I went for a walk and saw gigantic rays coming from the opposite direction-west...the sun was coming up in the east but covered by dark clouds so I thought perhaps an optical illusion and it still could be...but it was quite a site as the rays were very distinctive and long cast over half of the sky.

Interesting. Yesterday at sunset, when the sun was producing spectacular rays over the western mountains, I noticed bright rays of light shining DOWNWARD from the mostly could covered sky on the eastern horizon.

I noticed it, thought it was very odd and then forgot about it as I got busy watering plant until you mentioned you'd seen something similar. I couldn't figure out how the rays of light could be pointing down at such an angle since the sun was already shooting out beautiful, appropriately aligned rays at a low angle towards me from the west. I don't know if it can be explained by light refraction or some other phenomena I've never seen before.

Just thought I'd add the data since it happened only several hours ago.

[Adi]

My personal view point into Pattie Brassards claims is that, she has put forward a theory and an assumption based off very crude, unsatisfactory and non-verifiable facts and sources, witch as far as I am concerned, does not validate verification for the conclusion of such a serious impact on this planet and its population.

Her claims should not be taken so seriously at this time, to equate to that fact that the events she is describing in her interview are going to come to fruition. In-depth analysis and observation of all the available facts and sources and proper professional opinion into this type of cosmological analysis should be undertaken by those who have an advanced understanding of this type of study.

I think one could claim Pattie is engaging in the act of "fear mongering", but one must also understand, that since Patties claims and available sources are so weak, to qualify for a real theory and conclusion, it may be that Pattie has released information witch she her self has only gained in such a short time, witch may explain the crude substance for the information. Maybe we must wait for more accurate and stronger sources and facts.

Adi

[Lone Bean]

I've listened to two recent interviews by Patti Brassard and for what it's worth here's what I feel about the whole 2nd sun pass and the micro-radiation burning of the surface of the earth. But let me first describe a very, very unusual feeling I had about 3 days ago while I was doing my usual cruising on the internet, going to my favorite sites while mostly thinking about nothing in particular. I stopped what I was doing and just sat still and thoroughly enjoyed this excited, "something really good is going to happen soon" feeling. I just relished it. It was so unusual for me to be feeling this way and so strongly that I am convinced it was my Higher Power giving me a "heads up" about something wonderful soon to occur. I'm not particularly psychic, I don't do much meditation, I'm basically an average person doing average, daily activities. So this out-of-the-blue feeling of something much bigger than Christmas morning to a 7 year old was awfully nice.

Then about 2 days ago I ran across the first Patti Brassard interview, which of course got me a little shook up but I know better than to jump off the deep end when I hear such things. Then I found this thread and read everything everyone had contributed. Then I listened to a second interview by Patti Brassard and basically took it like water off a duck's back. Today, I googled her name on Youtube and found this interesting video that meshes with what I've felt resonating with me for some time now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeSe1ncR7Bg

I don't know who this guy is, never heard of him before and some people may think he's really a nutcase but I didn't get any weird vibes from him, on the contrary I feel he was telling what he honestly felt. His "higher self writing" resonated with me on several levels and I don't think he made this stuff up. So, for what it's worth, I kind of feel this Patti person is only spreading fear though she may not be aware that she is being used to do that, and the bad guys really do want us do dig holes and bury ourselves. I plan on being outside, hopefully my DNA will activate and good things will happen. I like to look at the bright side of life rather than the doom and gloom side. I understand that "ascension" is a taboo topic here, but maybe our DNA is of other-worldly origin and we will actually make the great leap forward. :D

[Sidney]

Just by listening to her speak about these things, personally, I don't think Ms. Brassard cares a bit if any one believes her or not....she believes it to be true. (Just my opinion).

I really don't sense any dark agenda on her behalf. I do think she is untruthful perhaps a bit about her background etc., but she really seems to believe herself what she is claiming is absolute truth.....perhaps she's been watching too many youtube videos and reading to many wacky sensational websites....

¤=[Post Update]=¤


For what it's worth, I have noticed that there are several forums trying to get to the bottom of the Pattie Brassard interviews and who he/she really is.

This has just come to me from one of those forums:


With regards to all the hoop about Pattie Brassard's information....... please read this recent post from her FB page.
I believe is relevant .

Doreen Barbieri
Patrick Brassard AK (Pattie Brassard) L is for Louise, my mother's middle name which he assigned to himself... disgraceful...is a man living in my mother's bedroom who hasn't left it since he occupied it 4 years ago after her death and wears her cloths. He lives on my father's SS and contribute nothing to the household. And he has never giving Birth to a daughter.... Most of what he says is made up with a grain of truth to it. He was in the army and left under less than desirable circumstances, He never parachuted into Grenada nor did he get deployed to Iraq. I changed his diapers as a baby and I can assure you there is no proof of him having surgery to change his gender. As far as NASA is concern, he did some wiring for their computer systems. He NEVER made a missile or designed a robot for the radiation plant in Japan. His heart is bad because of doing years of hormone replacement and then stopping because he could no longer afford it!!!... The TRUTH about Pattie Brassard is that he has a sister by the name of Patricia Brassard and what he is doing is scaring people who think he is qualified to be saying what he does. The payoff??? hearing his name on the internet, the radio, and having all of you people out there praising him.. I employ everyone out there to stop!!!! For God's sake look at his picture and make an informed and use critical thinking skills... And by all means do not send him your money....

3 minutes ago · Like · 1..

I don't facebook so I cannot confirm this post over there..... this gets weirder and weirder......

Something like this wouldn't surprise me either....

Here is Doreens FB page. I did not see that on there, maybe she posted it on a different website and not FB. https://www.facebook.com/doreen.barbieri?fref=ts

[SilentFeathers]

Just by listening to her speak about these things, personally, I don't think Ms. Brassard cares a bit if any one believes her or not....she believes it to be true. (Just my opinion).

I really don't sense any dark agenda on her behalf. I do think she is untruthful perhaps a bit about her background etc., but she really seems to believe herself what she is claiming is absolute truth.....perhaps she's been watching too many youtube videos and reading to many wacky sensational websites....

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For what it's worth, I have noticed that there are several forums trying to get to the bottom of the Pattie Brassard interviews and who he/she really is.

This has just come to me from one of those forums:


With regards to all the hoop about Pattie Brassard's information....... please read this recent post from her FB page.
I believe is relevant .

Doreen Barbieri
Patrick Brassard AK (Pattie Brassard) L is for Louise, my mother's middle name which he assigned to himself... disgraceful...is a man living in my mother's bedroom who hasn't left it since he occupied it 4 years ago after her death and wears her cloths. He lives on my father's SS and contribute nothing to the household. And he has never giving Birth to a daughter.... Most of what he says is made up with a grain of truth to it. He was in the army and left under less than desirable circumstances, He never parachuted into Grenada nor did he get deployed to Iraq. I changed his diapers as a baby and I can assure you there is no proof of him having surgery to change his gender. As far as NASA is concern, he did some wiring for their computer systems. He NEVER made a missile or designed a robot for the radiation plant in Japan. His heart is bad because of doing years of hormone replacement and then stopping because he could no longer afford it!!!... The TRUTH about Pattie Brassard is that he has a sister by the name of Patricia Brassard and what he is doing is scaring people who think he is qualified to be saying what he does. The payoff??? hearing his name on the internet, the radio, and having all of you people out there praising him.. I employ everyone out there to stop!!!! For God's sake look at his picture and make an informed and use critical thinking skills... And by all means do not send him your money....

3 minutes ago · Like · 1..

I don't facebook so I cannot confirm this post over there..... this gets weirder and weirder......

Something like this wouldn't surprise me either....

Here is Doreens FB page. I did not see that on there, maybe she posted it on a different website and not FB. https://www.facebook.com/doreen.barbieri?fref=ts

I doubt if this description is true about Pattie Brassard anyways, sounds like this Doreen is describing Norman Bates from the movie "Psycho"!

[Carmody]

When you wonder if it is a woman, or a man, the vast majority of women have elbows that have a bend. Which is different then men, the vast majority of men having straight arms with no bend at the elbow.

Look for a photo with arms extended, and that might be a major clue. Depends on the genetics of the situation. Usually there is a minor bend/angle.... and men's arms through the shoulder to hand are (generally) straight. Arms extended, palms up.

This is the closest I could find to showing this.:

http://images.idiva.com/media/photogallery/2013/Jun/1661869411_600x450.jpg

[Conaire]

That facebook post looks like a smear campaign to me.

Has anyone tried contacting Pattie? A few tough , hard hitting questions regarding her professional life would reveal if she is telling the truth, or not. I believe she believes what she's saying about "the event" is true. But if she's embellishing her resume to give herself more credence; we could easily get to the bottom of that by interviewing her again.

Would it be possible to invite her onto the forum so the members could ask her questions?

Mel Fabrigas did an excellent interview but I think she needs to be asked more confirmatory questions.

[OBwan]

The radio host Mel Fabregras from the Veritas Show posted a Special Report. We are in for a
drastic change in the next two weeks based upon his guest Whistleblower Pattie Brassard.


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[Conaire]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----

[Dennis Leahy]

Reminder not to get sidetracked into the transgender issues. If you know any transgender people (I do), then you'll know that they will greatly appreciate if you address them as the gender they are in their hearts and brains, not what's under the skirt or pants. Transgender happens when it is recognized by the individual - not with hormones or surgery, which are transsexual pathways towards a physical gender identity matching the brain.

Patty's info appears to be a hodge-podge of conjecture, meme-tales retold, and a dollop of quasi-science thrown in. Focus on that.

Dennis

[Carmody]

I've no problem with whomever is whomever. If one wants to get weird about it, then that is one way to go. That's my only reason for mentioning it.

[giovonni]

That facebook post looks like a smear campaign to me.

Has anyone tried contacting Pattie? A few tough , hard hitting questions regarding her professional life would reveal if she is telling the truth, or not. I believe she believes what she's saying about "the event" is true. But if she's embellishing her resume to give herself more credence; we could easily get to the bottom of that by interviewing her again.

Would it be possible to invite her onto the forum so the members could ask her questions?

Mel Fabrigas did an excellent interview but I think she needs to be asked more confirmatory questions.

i totally agree ... but at this point ~ i truly doubt she would be forthcoming or even found (believed) credible ...

Bottom line ~ when it comes to 'truth' ~ he said /she said etc... The truth usually lines somewhere in the middle ?

And for anyone who has spent enough time here on this forum trying to discern that truth ... One must always take in accord that when it comes to disinformation ~ It seems to always be sprinkled with enough truth to taste just palatable. :rolleyes:

Post note: one's intuition is always key

[ROMANWKT]

Kerrys Project Camelot BLOG

In this recent article ARMAGEDDON WATCH OVER SYRIA (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/09/armageddon-watch-over-syria/), Gordon Duff is outing that there have been not 2 nuclear attacks by Israel on Syria but 4. And none of these attacks appear to be making the mainstream news. However, if you look closer, articles going back to 2007 (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/17/120917fa_fact_makovsky) indicate Israel has been attacking Syrian nuclear facilities for years.

Last night on my radio show with Mike Harris, we were discussing some of the Pattie Brassard (man posing as a woman?) claims about the recent nuclear attacks on Syria, Fukushima and the 2nd Sun ideas. Today, Duff comes out with an article indicating his sources claim 4 nuclear (or what appear to be nuclear) attacks on Syria. I spoke with Pattie Brassard just before broadcast and whereas, from the pov of Camelot, Pattie's claims were pretty much already 'out there' and have been for years. The interesting thing with regard to those claims is only the random details about level of radiation (much higher than acknowledged in the mainstream press) and the fact of 2 nuclear hits on Syria rather than the 1 previously reported in various news outlets. It does appear that for whatever reason, Pattie became a target for mind control and a centralized figure for garnering all the latest news running around the net and with the occasional twist of a 'factoid' here or there of real data. What does this mean?

First of all, regardless of Brassard's personal details which are currently being posted around the net as a result of a recent revelations by someone claiming to be his sister... there is reason to recognize that people such as Brassard are being targeted (in a state of hysteria and panic ..making false claims about upcoming dates for quakes etc) and used to create havoc periodically around the world in the alternative community and to turn credible alternative talk show hosts such as Mel Fabregas, (a principled and well regarded talk show host) into sources of disinfo. When in reality, the information Patti has, is more or less accurate although dates of 'predictions' are likely to be proved wrong. Fukushima has gone out of control. And Syria is being attacked by Israel whether they are actual nukes or some 'cleaner' rendition thereof.

It is also worth noting that Brassard claims to have a number of sources contacting him.. giving him some information that may prove correct.

Among other things, this latest article by Duff (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/09/armageddon-watch-over-syria/) on regarding the attacks on Syria also contains info about a pay-off of trillions to Russia by the Saudis as well as seeded info on a US COUP that Obama has supposedly been busy trying to thwart. Yet another planned coup against the Cabal (those who Obama reports to). Considering the current state of the "union" a military coup may be a good thing and our only option in the face of the totalitarian rule currently taking hold of this country....

What is really going on here? First of all, let's look at Israel as it actually is rather than as what it is commonly thought to be. Israel is simply a CORPORATION jointly run at least on the surface, by the U.S. and City of London. Beneath that, Israel is run by the Annunaki. It is their headquarters on Planet Earth. It is where, Obama went to pay his respects while Biden was sent to the Vatican to pay homage to the new Pope taking 'office', a lesser fiefdom, ie. the Reptilian group running the Vatican is considered to report to the Annunaki and this division is clearly indicated by the Obama/Biden positioning.

The recent presidential trip to Tanzania (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/world/africa/tanzania-obama) which included of all people, former President George W. Bush, is another indication of who is really in charge. It is said that based in Tanzania is possibly Marduk, who is the Anunnaki king recently returned to Earth as highly anticipated by the dark nobility. The U.S. Presidents were possibly in town purposefully to pay their respects to the recently arrived Anunnaki king.

Israel, to clarify, the Israeli people, jews, are simply a SHIELD used by their Anunnaki rulers to hide behind. No doubt the Mossad and their current rulers, Netanyahu et al, all report to them and do so with some fervor. However it is worth noting that the wars conducted in the Middle East with impunity by Israel are done so at the behest of their rulers. And it is useful and important not to confuse who is doing what when people claim "Israel" is doing this or that.

Recently, a highly trusted source said to me that the U.S. and UK report to Israel and not the other way around. What they were really saying is that the rulers stationed underground in israel are the ones running things. It is also important to recognize that the Anunnaki are fighting with a number of more recently arrived races of beings and not only the reptilians running the Vatican.

From everything I have been able to decipher, the Anunnaki of the "Sitchin variety" that is Enki/Enlil and their relations are if anything humanoid/reptilian hybrids (one-half reptilian and one-half Anunnaki humanoid) while the full blooded Reps beneath the Vatican are just that... Draco/Reps who believe this planet is theirs and have been trying to take it back for centuries.

It is worth noting that humans such as the Illuminati bloodline are more like 1/12th reptilian.

While the "news" is reporting this or than skirmish and efforts by the Anunnaki to create chaos, (out of chaos comes "order") the world is busy being misled into believing that wars on Planet Earth are created by "countries" and their so-called rulers when in reality this is a War of the Worlds being played out on Earth which has been and is becoming even more so a battlefield where various off-planet factions are fighting over the spoils.. be it, land, human vessels and their souls and control of this solar system.

See this recent article (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/04/chinese-alignment-with-hostile-alien-force-brings-pacific-war-threat/) by Gordon Duff on Veterans Today regarding the group the Chinese are aligned with. This also includes references to the Black Nano-Self-Aware Oil discovered in the Gulf previously found by the British and resulting in the Falklands war (nano oil/real reason) and mysterious deaths of 25 Marconi scientists (all researched heavily by David Griffin (http://projectcamelotportal.com/interviews-list/whistleblower-radio-portal/54-revolution-radio-freedom-slips/1309-09-21-12-david-griffin)). My interview with Douglas Deitrich (http://projectcamelotportal.com/zoo-blog/item/chinese-frigate-in-sf-harbor) (link to radio show (http://projectcamelotportal.com/interviews-list/whistleblower-radio-portal/54-revolution-radio-freedom-slips/1311-09-21-2012-douglas-deitrich-rebecca-jernigan-show)) outlined this scenario as well as the drama going on in the Pacific between the undersea race from MU who are up in arms over the Fukushima man-made disaster…

It is time someone tells it like it really is... enough with this shortsighted view of the "news" of the World. We are deeply engaged in a war of worlds that has everything to do with the future of the human race and whether we stay on this Planet and claim our dominion or are split into factions, forced off planet, underground and for those of us with high enough vibrational frequency able to escape through stargates. These are the choices that are confronting us as we move forward in this round of 'history'.

roman

[Carmody]

""Beneath that, Israel is run by the Annunaki. It is their headquarters on Planet Earth."

The Dead Sea.

The biggest stockpile of the highest grade (% of mass) of 'the white powder of gold' that is publicly known to exist on the surface of this planet.

Read up on sea salts and conversion from sea salts back to activated 'manna of the gods'. Solomon's Temple, and so on.

I've covered all of this before.

[Carmody]

One important thing.

If Annunaki control the planet, then why spend 1-2 centuries dicking around to get a specific set of humans to control the surface land in the area of the dead sea?

why not just step out there and take it?

1) It's utter and complete bull****e, or...

2) You are more powerful than you think you are, as you are stuck in your duality mind. Like a cow with it's brain roped off..all that is left is the autonomous part with a vestigial wiring connection so it can operate. and someone is scared of you.


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When one is weak, they have to hide and tell lies, to cloak themselves in 'other' clothes and confusions.


The food of the gods, the manna is real, the psychic capacities are for real, science proves them but the Barvarian Illuminati created and secret society run 'standard model' of science and academia says it does not, even in the face of it's own evidence..so..you tell me.

Either the door is open to the vast majority of all this crazy stuff being real (the annunaki, food of the gods, and psychic capacities, transformational realities, seeing through time, manipulation of reality, etc)...or....it is closed.

Since the psychic stuff is real, Pandora's box is fully open and 100% operational. even if only one tiny inch of it is real to you, the rest comes along for the ride. You can't have just a tiny bit as it is more comfortable. If you invite even ONE single case of psychic sensitivity to be real, then all the rest of it is too. There's no way past the logic of that. One tiny bit means ---all.

Now you better get your **** together and figure out what that means to YOU, individually, and collectively.

[turiya]

What is really going on here? First of all, let's look at Israel as it actually is rather than as what it is commonly thought to be. Israel is simply a CORPORATION jointly run at least on the surface, by the U.S. and City of London. Beneath that, Israel is run by the Annunaki. It is their headquarters on Planet Earth.


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/CHILDHOOD_S_END.png

The red flag went up for me as soon as s/he (Brassard) started going into the Zecharia Stitchen / Annunaki / Nibiru / gold mining nonsense - obviously fell off his/her meds, or probably more correctly - the antidepressants/SSRIs s/he's been taking. Too many of the NWO crowd, upper-level Pentagon & UN administrators have drunk that Zecharia-Sitchin-Koolaid. The Annunaki/Israeli thing does align somewhat with Chris Thomas' writing on the subject matter - This sect of Annunaki (a sub-race of Velon) do believe that they are "god's chosen people" destined to live on "god's chosen planet". That is according to Chris Thomas' research of the Akashic. As, this "chosen people" meme certainly rings true for a number of so-called 'established religious sects' throughout history, Judaism being one of them.

Bottom line is they, the Annunaki/Illuminati/Zionist cabal, are running out of time. As I do believe we are on the cusp of waking up big time as a human race. Arthur C Clark, although an upper level Freemason, may have tapped into what is up & coming. A sort of Childhood's End-Run. Interesting theater to say the least...

turiya :cool:

[Violet]

This reminds me of the people who quit their job, took their camping stuff and went to live on a mountain in preparation for the event of 2012.

[Fred Steeves]

One important thing.

If Annunaki control the planet, then why spend 1-2 centuries dicking around to get a specific set of humans to control the surface land in the area of the dead sea?

why not just step out there and take it?

1) It's utter and complete bull****e, or...

2) You are more powerful than you think you are, as you are stuck in your duality mind. Like a cow with it's brain roped off..all that is left is the autonomous part with a vestigial wiring connection so it can operate. and someone is scared of you.


~~~~~~~~~~

When one is weak, they have to hide and tell lies, to cloak themselves in 'other' clothes and confusions.


The food of the gods, the manna is real, the psychic capacities are for real, science proves them but the Barvarian Illuminati created and secret society run 'standard model' of science and academia says it does not, even in the face of it's own evidence..so..you tell me.

Either the door is open to the vast majority of all this crazy stuff being real (the annunaki, food of the gods, and psychic capacities, transformational realities, seeing through time, manipulation of reality, etc)...or....it is closed.

Since the psychic stuff is real, Pandora's box is fully open and 100% operational. even if only one tiny inch of it is real to you, the rest comes along for the ride. You can't have just a tiny bit as it is more comfortable. If you invite even ONE single case of psychic sensitivity to be real, then all the rest of it is too. There's no way past the logic of that. One tiny bit means ---all.

Now you better get your **** together and figure out what that means to YOU, individually, and collectively.

Dayum, Carmody getting right down to business...Love it man!

Cheers,

Fred

[Octavusprime]

In an attempt to steer this conversation back to the matter at hand. I remember reading an article that hypothesized that all particles and subatomic particles have a mirror image particle that would react in exact reversal regardless of the distance the two particles were from one another. For example if the particle was a billion light years away and its sister particle was made to spin in one particular direction, this would in turn cause both of them to spin in the exact opposite direction, at the exact speed and at the exact same time. This thought blew my mind when I heard it. If anyone has read this article and could post it I would be most appreciated.

I present a few articles that I've stumbled upon in an attempt to better understand how a "sister" sun (with accompanied planets) could be interacting with our solar system.

The first article is very recent (April, 2013):

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23372-twist-in-dark-matter-tale-hints-at-shadow-milky-way.html#.UgaHFW25Hao

It basically states that scientists have been looking for "missing matter" and that it has been hypothesized that dark matter (anti-matter) must exist and could account for up to 80% of the total matter in the universe.

A few notable quotes:


"The way stars and galaxies move shows there is more mass present than we can see."
"Observations of the orbits of stars around galaxies suggest that all galaxies, including the Milky Way, are surrounded by a spherical cloud of dark matter (see diagram). But if a fraction of dark matter particles interact with each other, they would combine into atom-like structures and eventually collapse into a spinning disc."

How these "sister galaxies" would interact with each other could be of consequence. If dark matter can interact with and act in a manner similar to matter than perhaps they can influence each other perhaps via gravity.

The second article is from January of 2013:

http://phys.org/news/2013-01-antimatter-method-major-experimental-advantage.html#inlRlv


"Antimatter fast facts:

Every particle has an antiparticle. For example, an electron's antiparticle is the positron and a proton's antiparticle is an antiproton.
An antiparticle is exactly the same as its corresponding particle but carries an opposite charge.
If a particle and its corresponding antiparticle meet, they destroy each other. This is known as annihilation.
The combination of one positron and one antiproton creates antihydrogen.
Theories suggest that after the Big Bang, equal amounts of matter and antimatter should have formed. As the Universe today is composed almost entirely of matter, it remains a great mystery why we don't have this symmetry.
Scientists such as the ALPHA collaboration at CERN have been trying to measure the properties of antihydrogen to find clues as to why this asymmetry exists."

If the sister galaxies were to collide we would be annihilated. Does this also mean that if these two galaxies were to be in some kind of orbit with one another, would the two galaxies effect one another depending on physical distance?

The third is a paper that I found on a Physics website from Cornell University. Big Red is my Alma Mater. Go Red!

The scientists are from Iran. Such brilliant minds there, despite what the American media tries to spin!

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1308/1308.1849.pdf

This paper gives a pretty good synapsis on the varying theories and concepts being pondered in the astrophysics world. Kinda heavy stuff but I think it is a very good starting point for those wanting to catch up with recent theory.


"Matter - Antimatter
[6]
According to the laws of quantum field theory, there exists an antimatter for every ordinary matter. Antimatters differ from their ordinary ones by their electric charge. Although we have found that antimatter exists and we have succeeded to construct them in our particle accelerators, it is very surprising that we are almost sure that at least in our vicinity in the space there is no antimatter."

Ambiplasma and matter - antimatter separation
[6]
Consider a star and an antistar which is located in it’s vicinity. According to the laws of astrophysics, the star emits plasma which contains of ordinary matter.


This information seems to further re-enforce that antimatter does exist and that they know it is not in our direct vicinity. Is it in a parallel universe, dimension or is it just physically located somewhere else? Is the visible frequency of the sister sun of significance if we consider all matter to be really just manifestations of a particular wave effect on matter projecting a perceived location in our space and time?

Basically what I'm first trying to determine is: Is it possible that two suns could interact over vast distances given current scientific information. I'm trying to look at it from an unbiased position as best I can. At the moment I'm on the fence so I must first determine possibility and develop theory.

I think my mind is gonna explode, so enough for now. I must have time to digest and reflect.

Cheers!

Octavus Prime

[ThePythonicCow]

In an attempt to steer this conversation back to the matter at hand. I remember reading an article that hypothesized that all particles and subatomic particles have a mirror image particle that would react in exact reversal regardless of the distance the two particles were from one another. For example if the particle was a billion light years away and its sister particle was made to spin in one particular direction, this would in turn cause both of them to spin in the exact opposite direction, at the exact speed and at the exact same time. This thought blew my mind when I heard it. If anyone has read this article and could post it I would be most appreciated.
That sounds like you're describing quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement).


Is it possible that two suns could interact over vast distances given current scientific information.
I'm sure there are interactions between twin stars, though quantum entanglement only occurs, so far as we know, with very small, or least very well organized, particles, atoms or crystals.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All -- it may be the right time for me to summarize my thoughts and conclusions about all this. I was sent a PM question by a highly aware and respected Avalon member, referencing (amongst other things) Dr James McCanney. (http://www.jmccanneyscience.com)

Here was my reply, and at the moment it's my best wrap-up.






Very many thanks for your message. I respect James McCanney. He's a good scientist, as is Andy Lloyd. As best I know. McCanney is not claiming that 'Planet X' (which is probably a brown dwarf star, as Andy Lloyd has been suggesting for quite a while) is anywhere near the Earth.

His point (as is Andy Lloyd's) is that it's out there somewhere, and is heading this way very probably on a long, inclined, elliptical orbit. It probably does have quite a lot of debris (some of which could be quite large) accompanying it, as it will have a strong gravitational and electromagnetic field. Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann) learned about what he called 'the second sun' when he was working in a classified project within NOAA. As far as I can conclude, it's definitely out there somewhere.

Three Camelot sources (Jake Simpson, Bob Dean and Dr Bill Deagle), have all said that they believe it will be closer to us in a few years' time, but not yet. I do NOT believe that it could be close to the sun (and therefore able to be photographed with cellphone cameras) without tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, all of whom have excellent equipment, screaming from the rooftops. It would be like having an elephant in your back garden with no-one noticing. :)

This is the very major problem with the "it's close to the sun already" claims.

Re Pattie Brrassard's claims, most of the questions about her have now been answered. The Avalon researchers have done a good job! My own view is that she has been connecting a range of dots to reach conclusions which are not justified, and some of them are off-the-wall and defy logic.

(To give just one example: in order for there to be a three-day eclipse, the object would have to be HUGE. No way could such a celestial body not have been noticed way before now. The elephant in the garden would need to be a dinosaur!)

The reason I (and many others ) believe this has NOT been seen yet is because as a brown dwarf, it radiates strongly in the infrared, but is not very luminous in the visible (eyesight) spectrum. It's also too far away -- at the moment -- for its faint luminosity to be picked up on optical telescopes without knowing EXACTLY where to look. But all this might change in a few years' time.

None of this means that we should be complacent, or decide that the thing is not there at all. As Henry Deacon told us back in 2006, the problem is that "everything's converging to happen to us all at once". That means Planet X, the financial meltdown, the threat of WW III, environmental collapse, global climate change (whatever is causing THAT), overpopulation, possible widespread famine, possible pandemics such as SARS or 'Bird Flu' -- all these dangers are upon us all at the same time.

And there IS a potential problem with the peak of the solar cycle, possibly a 'double peak' which may REALLY peak at the end of this year and not before. We should not be complacent about that, either.

I'm not concerned about Pattie's claims of imminent cataclysm, but it was an interesting opportunity to look at the entire 'Planet X' situation and much of the research around it. In my view, it was a reminder that the problem still exists.

I may be wrong, but I don't think so. I'll be astonished if an enormous object appears out of nowhere in the next few weeks or months that has not been spotted by anyone. That would be almost impossible to explain!

:)

With my warmest wishes, as always -- Bill

[SilentFeathers]

If the sister galaxies were to collide we would be annihilated. Does this also mean that if these two galaxies were to be in some kind of orbit with one another, would the two galaxies effect one another depending on physical distance?

Octavus Prime

It would be quite chaotic to say the least, two galaxy's colliding that is.

I've researched this kind of stuff quite a bit throughout the years. I've seen several models of these types of collisions and if what Ms. Brassard is saying is true about a second Sun with planets/sphere's orbiting it was to be so close; hence, in our solar system and about to travel between the Earth and Sun, well, we'd of been toast by now. Another system like she describes entering our solar system would by now of spun everything out of its normal orbit, all kinds of chaos would be breaking loose......and we little humans probably would all be dead by now.

Not to mention a Sun with 7 planets around it probably wouldn't even fit between the Earth and Sun.

Just the single orb theory of a planet X coming through would create a mess and chaos of a huge magnitude, thus doing certain things such as the myths and legends describe, causing havoc and near extinction depending the timing of it's pass thru and relation to the locations of all the other planets to it.

Sheesh, just imagine what a sun with 7 planets orbiting it would do!?!? We'd be toast big time!

So therefore, what Brassard is saying common sense pretty much says it's complete hog wash/horsehockey!.

If there is truly something out there heading this way, it's still quite a ways out there.........but there is no denial something is happening and affecting our solar system a bit, but it's not what Brassard is saying IMO.

Also I thinks it's a waste of time even trying to debunk her, and even more a waste of time trying to prove she's right.

I'm done here, my conclusion? Brassards claims are mainly nothing but horse hockey.

ADDED: If I would of known Bill was posting what he did a few minutes before I posted my post, I wouldn't of even wrote/posted my/this post....

[Delight]

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I respect James McCanney. He's a good scientist, as is Andy Lloyd. As best I know. McCanney is not claiming that 'Planet X' (which is probably a brown dwarf star, as Andy Lloyd has been suggesting for quite a while) is anywhere near the Earth.


Here is James McCanney from 8/7/2013
MY REPLY TO NIBIRU IN AUGUST.
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[Octavusprime]

In an attempt to steer this conversation back to the matter at hand. I remember reading an article that hypothesized that all particles and subatomic particles have a mirror image particle that would react in exact reversal regardless of the distance the two particles were from one another. For example if the particle was a billion light years away and its sister particle was made to spin in one particular direction, this would in turn cause both of them to spin in the exact opposite direction, at the exact speed and at the exact same time. This thought blew my mind when I heard it. If anyone has read this article and could post it I would be most appreciated.
That sounds like you're describing quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement).


Is it possible that two suns could interact over vast distances given current scientific information.
I'm sure there are interactions between twin stars, though quantum entanglement only occurs, so far as we know, with very small, or least very well organized, particles, atoms or crystals.

Quantum Entanglement, That's it! Thanks!

The deeper we look the more we find that there are interactions between objects seemingly too far away to be feasible. Even if the interactions are extremely small they still exist. They should still develop a pattern of movement (elliptical) due to these forces of attraction and repulsion even if the two objects (twin stars) are billions of light years away.

I'm not saying this IS the case but there is a case for such an interaction.

[araucaria]

If the sister galaxies were to collide we would be annihilated. Does this also mean that if these two galaxies were to be in some kind of orbit with one another, would the two galaxies effect one another depending on physical distance?

I don't think galaxies collide so much as they merge. There is an animation out there somewhere of how the Sirius system (Sirius being taking a the Sun's twin star) meshes with ours without actually crashing. There is so much space between objects that this would be likely. The same goes for galaxies; in point of fact, there is a theory whereby this part of the galaxy is actually not part of the Milky Way but an incoming visitor, hence the solar system's odd direction of movement compared with the rest of the galaxy. Sorry, no time just now to check my sources.

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This gif is somewhere in this thread already...
many pages ago.

Araucaria commented on colliding galaxies...
on the Pattie thread...how they don't really collide, but merge instead.
Which reminded me of this gif...
Cosmic dance....


http://irfu.cea.fr/Images/astImg/1384_5.gif

Thanks Ulli. My main point (I maybe didn't make it) was that star systems would not collide, either (except for some initial discards) as in the animation on this page (sorry, it's sott.net - not planned).

http://www.sott.net/article/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

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And there IS a potential problem with the peak of the solar cycle, possibly a 'double peak' which may REALLY peak at the end of this year and not before. We should not be complacent about that, either.



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With my warmest wishes, as always -- Bill[/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT]

Do you have more info about this double peak Bill?

[MorningSong]

RE: Double peaked Solar Cycles:


Sunspot Cycle Is Double-Peaked, Say Astronomers

The famous 11-year solar cycle often has two peaks rather than one and now one astronomer says she knows why

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/423417/sunspot-cycle-is-double-peaked-say-astronomers/
http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.4552


Solar Cycle Update: Twin Peaks?

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/01mar_twinpeaks/

There's lots of info on this on the internet.

[Yvonne]

Hi all-


Here's a link to the interview she did with Steven D. Kelley...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pFu0of5wTE
Whatever happens, or where and when it happens, I pray you all stay safe. :wave:

[Yvonne]

There will be another interview with Pattie B. on The Steven D. Kelley Show on Tuesday August 13th. http://www.freedomslips.com/ Studio B at 8:00pm EST, 5:00pm PST