"Wisdom Teachings with David Wilcock" on Gaiamtv.com

[sigma6]

Wow call out to all 'David Wilcock aficionados' (and I am sure there are many, even on this site ... :rolleyes:lol)

I just dropped by to read his latest articles on Divine Cosmos and found this in "The Nightmare is Almost Over: Part I"
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1131-nightmare-almost-over-part-1

David has apparently been writing several books, one over 700 pages that had to pared down to 500 pages for publication with over 1000 references! The material left over will become another book I think. He has also created over 20 episodes of a special show exclusive to Gaiamtv.com. They have given him free license to share "any information he wants"... and he doesn't disappoint, he gives a huge download of incredible information! I wouldn't know where to start but it is over 10 hrs worth...

There's a cheesy pitch at the beginning, but to be fair, it's more or less an intro of the program, himself, and gaiamtv.com plus a call to send in questions, that he wanted to incorporate into the show... I was quite content after realizing this was the only "commercial". And when compared to the "5 minutes" of commercials I see others watch every 15 minutes on their $200 dollar a month "paid cable" TV of 90% programmed crap (forehead slap) I really had no problem. btw since when did so many commercials end up on "paid" cable/dish networks? and how did people get suckered into that?!

Anyhow, for a non TV watcher it was the perfect balance between the "programmed" episodes of a TV show vs searching the 'open market' of decent free internet video content. I don't know how long I will pay for it... but right now the price is right (free for 10 days) I may even pay the $10 although long term, I would expect these sites to lower their prices even more... :cool:

And boy, does he get into the information! Like I haven't seen him get into it since "2012 Enigma" The breakdown into over 20 half hour episodes actually works, because he has to structure and formulate his thoughts... With over 10 hours of content to play with , he unloads a ton of amazing stuff I haven't seen before. And as I mentioned on Horizon's thread, one of the best explanations of the precession of the equinoxes, but there is tons and tons more...

Done in David's classic style, incredibly informational, incredibly well researched, with tons of references. I really don't know how he does it. But I have to laugh at people who don't have half his acumen who attempt to criticize him for simply being highly intelligent and able to create these intellectual productions, but it does make me wonder...

If you want to get an unlimited number of "wows" this is totally worth checking out...

The catch... you need a credit card to sign up to http://www.gaiamtv.com, but you get 10 days free, and if you go past 10 days, you will be charged $10 bucks a month till you cancel. So, the worst case is 40 days for $10 if you miss it. In exchange you have access to over 5000 videos on yoga, self improvement, spirituality, famous speakers, etc... once I got over putting in the card no. It was well worth it... LOL (but do put the date down if you just want your days)

Once you join, search "David Wilcock" it will pull up all his episodes (approx 20-25) Also, you will need either MS Silverlight or an updated Adobe Flash... (you will be automatically prompted and it will automatically downloaded, although there is an option to choose video mode, in your profile!) This is all streaming content :( (making it 'difficult' to "transfer" ...) Silverlight seems less processor intensive, (and if you install it inside Chrome you will have the option to turn off automatic updates)

This will definitely be a collector video set... David is spilling out more research then I have seen in all the 20-30 videos I have collected on him to date. Brilliant. Really laid out. Highly recommended.

[Anchor]

Love him or hate him, you cannot deny he has had some influence on many people.

Certainly I owe David for connecting me up with the Law Of One.

[SilentFeathers]

Love him or hate him, you cannot deny he has had some influence on many people.

Certainly I owe David for connecting me up with the Law Of One.

I always enjoy your posts Anchor, but, what about the Law of Three???? Me, Myself, and I :)

[SilentFeathers]

Couldn't resist! :)
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[WhiteFeather]

Im still a big fan of David. As he opened my mind some in my early awakening stages. I haven't counted him out as of yet. He's still in the ring taking the punches to the body and head. They do take alot of swings at him here it seems on this forum. Lets see if he can go the distance and final round. Im sure he can. An amazingly brilliant person IMO. He knows his Shyte. Kudos to you David.

[Anchor]

Im still a big fan of David. As he opened my mind some in my early awakening stages. I haven't counted him out as of yet. He's still in the ring taking the punches to the body and head. They do take alot of swings at him here it seems on this forum. Lets see if he can go the distance and final round. Im sure he can. An amazingly brilliant person IMO. He knows his Shyte. Kudos to you David.

Yeah, this is better than what I wrote. I agree, I am grateful for what he does, even if he does have an ego the size of a planet :)

[Wind]

I couldn't have said it any better, WF!

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Has anything this guy predicted ever come true?

And really *another* thread on Ra????

*Edit to add:

Hey Mods(?) what are the rules regarding fake or frauds? Just thought I'd ask here - as I know you're reading my "discernment" over this one...

Charles was an example, what makes it so that guy will never get an honest mention here again? I know this may constitute a form of censorship, but for example we don't seem to run Sorcel Farel (sic) material (which I believe is a good thing). Just curious to understand who has the final say on if a wistleblower gets airtime or not? Cheers.

[Anchor]

Has anything this guy predicted ever come true?

And really *another* thread on Ra????

Probably.

No.

[Anchor]

Hey Mods(?) what are the rules regarding fake or frauds? Just thought I'd ask here - as I know you're reading my "discernment" over this one...

If you find one, you write a respectful and balanced post that demonstrates your discovery, and you then debate and possibly defend your position in the thread that may ensue, also in a respectful and polite manner.

There is no censorship of genuine posts made in the spirit of the forum.

Throwing around derisory and thoughtless posts that have no positive contribution eventually will get you in trouble if you do it enough. I hope you do stop doing this as you have been asked, because it is a rather sad waste of a lot of obvious potential.

Sure, it gets you noticed, as you have appreciated, but is that really what you want to be noticed for?

[Wind]

Sure David is a human being with faults and has a fairly large ego and he is capitalizing his work and may be a bit naive (I've been too), but I don't think that he has ever lead people consciously astray. Also I don't think that he is a hoaxer as some people claim. His book "Sourcefield Investigations" was an amazing pile of information. He presents the information which he has gathered very well.

Judge not! ;)

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Hey Mods(?) what are the rules regarding fake or frauds? Just thought I'd ask here - as I know you're reading my "discernment" over this one...

If you find one, you write a respectful and balanced post that demonstrates your discovery, and you then debate and possibly defend your position in the thread that may ensue, also in a respectful and polite manner.

There is no censorship of genuine posts made in the spirit of the forum.

Throwing around derisory and thoughtless posts that have no positive contribution eventually will get you in trouble if you do it enough. I hope you do stop doing this as you have been asked, because it is a rather sad waste of a lot of obvious potential.

Sure, it gets you noticed, as you have appreciated, but is that really what you want to be noticed for?


So if I may present to you this:

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Your thoughts? Cheers.

I'm a fan of Alex Collier - who also has had some dates that never arrived, but I 'feel' he is different than DW.

1 due to the money not being asked for for his material (although now Alex has a paypal donation account).
2 the information is unique and not taken from others.
3 the character of Alex is honest sincere and coming directly from a space of love.
4 the 'drama' of the 'act' is lacking.
5 he really is in hardship and not making up stuff so he can spin and market it (which con men do).

So yeah I could totally understand if anyone says I'm hypocritical. But as Alex himself stated time and time again - it is about the information, NOT about the messenger.

Hope you don't take this as an attack, I really do believe honestly that David Wilcock is not an honest being, and that is my honest opinion.

Cheers

[araucaria]

But as Alex himself stated time and time again - it is about the information, NOT about the messenger.


Well then, my friend, please apply that principle to your own posts. As far as I can see, this one compares two messengers and contains zero information.

"All style and no substance": who exactly are we talking about?

Cheers to you :)

[Sgt-Bones]

Any self-proclaimed "spiritual guru" who publicly breaks down and loses total control over his emotional state to the point where he ends up sobbing uncontrollably like a little school girl, is either self deluded about his own connection to/with spirit... or a total fraud.

As far as I'm concerned, that little "episode" was a very telling moment, one that demonstrated quite clearly just how much of a self-absorbed, SPIRITually deficient phoney David is.

To be completely honest, I'm a little surprised to learn that people are still taking him seriously as a spiritual guide/teacher after that.

It's clear that David "Hollywood" Wilcock is very good at talking the talk, it's just a pity he isn't equally as proficient when it comes to walking the walk.

Oh, and I won't even bother mentioning all the failed predictions, outlandishly ridiculous claims, and affiliations with known disinfo agents that he's had over the years.

Also, I saw this recently and it really made me laugh so I just had to throw it in here:

David Wilcock ~ Wanderer Awakening
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I have ZERO time for ego-centric pretenders and show ponies... it seems to me that David is both.

... enough said.

[araucaria]

I have ZERO time for ego-centric pretenders and show ponies... it seems to me that David is both.

... enough said.

Then where did you find the time to compose this post? You have said more than enough.

Come on guys, this is Avalon, we should be doing better than this

[Richard S.]

Sigma6: Nice to see some are promoting his education.

I loved his Source Field Investigation, very scientific and well explained. The same, I believe, is true for his show...

Hope more jump into the bandwagon to hear his information, it's great!

[Sgt-Bones]

I have ZERO time for ego-centric pretenders and show ponies... it seems to me that David is both.

... enough said.

Then where did you find the time to compose this post? You have said more than enough.

Come on guys, this is Avalon, we should be doing better than this

What I meant was that I have zero tolerance for DW and his particular brand of "wisdom teachings"... if you can even bring yourself to call them that. lol

I am, however, prepared to make time to alert others to the fact that David is a two-bit sheister whose primary concern is lining his pockets with money from the naïve and gullible out there in the alternative/spiritual community.

Oh, and since when was Avalon about promoting and supporting new age spiritual gurus like Wilckock, whose dubious and less-than-desirable track record puts him in about the same league as guys like Ben Fulford, Sorcha Faal, Drake, Cobra, John Kettler, and Sheldon Nidle.

Seriously, is this place becoming SO politically correct that we can no longer just call a spade a spade without being jumped on by the 'You Must Always Think Happy Thoughts Brigade'?

Seems to me that when political correctness and unnaturally excessive positivity begin to take precedence over logic and common sense it's a sure sign that things are taking a turn for the worst.

[araucaria]

What I meant was that I have zero tolerance for DW
I have zero tolerance for almonds, which unfortunately I just love, so I just keep away. That is not "unnatural excessive positivity" from your whatever brigade, it is common sense (my version not yours :)) keeping out of trouble.

Anyway, glad to know your opinion of the likes of myself: things are taking a turn for the worst, oh dear. :)

Added: In other words, anyone wishing for someone to disappear off people's radar, the best method I would suggest is to pretend you have never heard of them.

[Fred Steeves]

Seriously, is this place becoming SO politically correct that we can no longer just call a spade a spade without being jumped on by the 'You Must Always Think Happy Thoughts Brigade'?


Well that's a fine false choice SGT-BONES, either agree with your assessment, or the person is a card carrying member of the "Happy Thoughts Brigade".

For the record I don't particularly care for the Wilcocks of the Alternative Media either, but there is a thing called common courtesy. It really *is* possible to express your views here without resorting to school yard name calling.

If that's your thing tough then go right ahead, but you'll find people caring to tune in to what you have to say less and less. This holds true for every day life as well...

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Any self-proclaimed "spiritual guru" who publicly breaks down and loses total control over his emotional state to the point where he ends up sobbing uncontrollably like a little school girl, is either self deluded about his own connection to/with spirit... or a total fraud.

I see that you have much to learn. May your lessons be gentle.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Now, on the OP Subject, I don't pay much attention to David anymore since he started going down the Ben Fulford track. But I want to say that there was a time when I was very deeply depressed and David's ridiculously optimistic talks helped me through it. Much of the material was pretty far-fetched, in my opinion, but at the time that was what I needed. So I am grateful for David's ridiculously radical viewpoint.

Every human being has gifts to offer. Every human being is beautiful and divine. Every human being has faults, makes mistakes, or can be led astray for years or lifetimes.

David sort of embodies the wonder of a naive child to me. When i was a child, I had that same wonder and as I tried to figure out the world, I made proclamations about it that were utterly untrue and had to be later revised over and over. David always sounds to me like he is going through that process, only very publicly and speaking with authority. See the humor as someday I am sure David will as well when he looks back on this lifetime.

[Joe Akulis]

I share Whitefeather's opinion. His site helped me tap into some of my own "early-awakening material", and helped me put more pieces of the big puzzle together later on.

I loved the one story in his book about the guy they hypnotized and told him his daughter didn't exist, and then brought him out of trance and then had his daughter walk into the room. Not only did he not see her, but they also proved that he could see THROUGH her. Fascinating stuff. Equally as fascinating was all the loads of data he put in there on pyramids. Made me want to build a bunch of 'em and test 'em out.

(Matter of fact, I did. :-)

[RMorgan]

Honestly, I find it pretty hard to believe that all David´s mistakes were caused by naivety.

You know, first there was his ascension predictions for Y2K and his laughable ascension2000 website; Then there were his dream readings, which were so inaccurate that he stopped doing them because almost all his clients were asking for their money back; Then there was his Edgar Cayce´s reincarnation incident, when he lied that people from A.R.E (Edgar Cayce´s association) confirmed that he was Cayce reincarnated, while in fact they did exactly the contrary; Then there was his 2012 ascension predictions, which again catapulted him into fame, but didn´t happen...

So, feel free to read his material, but please, don´t forget about his very long and very serious history of inaccuracy, failures and plain lies...As always, use discernment.

Anyway...Who said charlatans, conmen and alike don´t end up helping people one way or another? If they didn´t make people feel good, they wouldn´t be able to conduct their affairs...Seduction and charisma are simply part of the job.

Raf.

[Sgt-Bones]

Any self-proclaimed "spiritual guru" who publicly breaks down and loses total control over his emotional state to the point where he ends up sobbing uncontrollably like a little school girl, is either self deluded about his own connection to/with spirit... or a total fraud.

I see that you have much to learn. May your lessons be gentle.

Yes, may all my future posts be filled with passive-aggressive gestures of false love and compassion ;)

[WhiteFeather]

Now, on the OP Subject, I don't pay much attention to David anymore since he started going down the Ben Fulford track. But I want to say that there was a time when I was very deeply depressed and David's ridiculously optimistic talks helped me through it. Much of the material was pretty far-fetched, in my opinion, but at the time that was what I needed. So I am grateful for David's ridiculously radical viewpoint.

Every human being has gifts to offer. Every human being is beautiful and divine. Every human being has faults, makes mistakes, or can be led astray for years or lifetimes.

David sort of embodies the wonder of a naive child to me. When i was a child, I had that same wonder and as I tried to figure out the world, I made proclamations about it that were utterly untrue and had to be later revised over and over. David always sounds to me like he is going through that process, only very publicly and speaking with authority. See the humor as someday I am sure David will as well when he looks back on this lifetime.

Your words pretty much sum it up for me as well. Asquali. And again im not counting this young naive buck out, just yet. If anything, David has a wonderfully brilliant Sci-Fi brain IMO.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Yes, may all my future posts be filled with passive-aggressive gestures of false love and compassion ;)

He he he. My friend, there is nothing passive about my aggression, as many here can tell you. If I wished you ill and wanted to attack you, I would do so outright and with extreme prejudice. But even I can learn a better way than that. You might take a look at your own aggression, though. You're projecting it all over the place. Just a suggestion.

Let's get back to the subject, shall we?

[Sgt-Bones]

Yes, may all my future posts be filled with passive-aggressive gestures of false love and compassion ;)

He he he. My friend, there is nothing passive about my aggression, as many here can tell you. If I wished you ill and wanted to attack you, I would do so outright and with extreme prejudice. But even I can learn a better way than that. You might take a look at your own aggression, though. You're projecting it all over the place. Just a suggestion.

Heh heh... nice.

Well, at least now you're speaking my language :)

That's the sort of authenitc/genuine/honest response I can respect.


Let's get back to the subject, shall we?

Sure thing, I've said pretty much everything I wanted to say here anyway.... have no real desire to waste any more of my time on it.

So then, folks, please feel free to resume your glorification of Mr Wilcock... I'm sure his massive ego will appreicate it ;)

[Anchor]

So if I may present to you this:

(video of David channeling "Ra")

Your thoughts? Cheers.

I'm a fan of Alex Collier - who also has had some dates that never arrived, but I 'feel' he is different than DW.

1 due to the money not being asked for for his material (although now Alex has a paypal donation account).
2 the information is unique and not taken from others.
3 the character of Alex is honest sincere and coming directly from a space of love.
4 the 'drama' of the 'act' is lacking.
5 he really is in hardship and not making up stuff so he can spin and market it (which con men do).

So yeah I could totally understand if anyone says I'm hypocritical. But as Alex himself stated time and time again - it is about the information, NOT about the messenger.

Hope you don't take this as an attack, I really do believe honestly that David Wilcock is not an honest being, and that is my honest opinion.

Your last point first, no I don't take it as an attack.

David Wilcock has stated that he understands himself to be either a reincarnation of Edgar Cayce or at the least vibrationally similar to him. This may be true, or it may not be. The importance of it is that this may also mean that David, like Edgar Cayce may have been incarnations of fragments of the social memory complex known as Ra - possibly the same Ra entity that was channeled by the trio McCarty/Rueckert/Elkins.

My speculation is that the "channeling" that David did (and does?) may well have been tangentially related to the same Ra entity in that David could have been doing what I myself sometimes do which is channel my higher self. In his case that higher self could indeed be a Ra entity. All speculation on my part.

I heard Carla Rueckert herself say some interesting things about DW/"Ra" when she was asked on one of her radio shows, among them these two stand out:

a) David, in her opinion, was not a very good channeller - that he de-tuned frequently. This is based on her experience when he stayed with them for a time (which I believe was sometime after Don's suicide) and took part in some of the LLResearch channeling. Carla's opinion carries weight for those familiar with her work.

b) The Ra that David purported to channel was not the same entity that the LLResearch team channeled, and the mode of channeling was massively different - not really being trance channeling of the kind to get a direct line to the sixth density manifestation of the Ra social memory complex.

Channeling, even the deepest and purest trance channeling is still subject to distortion. With reference to point (a) above, if you de-tune from your highest potential, the message being channelled becomes very distorted by your own energy. It becomes more about what you think needs saying rather than what the source is saying.

Personally I don't know if David did or did not channel Ra in the video. Nor do I think it is important. Such things do not give the material any extra credibility. As it happens I purchased ALL the audio of all the channels that he made available and listened to them many times. I have also studied the law of one a lot and a lot of the work of LLResarch, and all I can say is that what was said in those channelings is consistent with that material. I am not saying its the real deal - but as I have said before - it doesn't matter. What matters is what is left of the message after you have applied your rigorous discernment to what you hear.

My opinion is that David Wilcock in not a fraud. I will qualify that to explain what it means to me, that is, fraud requires mindful and knowing intent to deceive. I do not think David ever set out to do anything in a particular way to "sell stuff". He thinks he is using the "Hollywood" thing to magnify his reach - but some of us wonder if "Hollywood" is using him. The same can be said of anyone following a path of glitz and glamor.

What I do think is that David is his own worst enemy at times. He is a fallible human - a product like all of us of our random walks through life and all that this experience does to us. Some of it good, some bad. We all make mistakes. Some of us can admit them, some can't. Some people have huge ego's and I think that my brother wanderer David certainly falls into that category. He is also a human who is subjected to the same emotional trauma and sensitivities as the rest of us.

So he cried on air. A wake up call for both him, and also a good thing for those who hang on his every word - perhaps it gave them pause for thought. Perhaps the stress and trauma of the situation was a good sign of the whole charades invalidity. I do not feel that he was going with the flow at that moment and he suffered for it. He should listen to himself more!

David has, intentionally or not, done a lot of good. At the same time he has confused a lot of people.

To me his brightest achievements have been the books. The source field investigations is a very good dot-joining exercise, but many here will have learned nothing new by reading that work. Others will learn a lot.

On the whole, I think David shines as we all do in our own way. A flawed human who is trying to do right by the big picture. I salute him.

Those are my thoughts at this time.

Go forth in the love and in the light of the one infinite creator.

Adonai ;)

[transiten]

Don't know much about Davids personal readings except for a friend of an Avalon member who was very dissatisfied




Then there was his Edgar Cayce´s reincarnation incident, when he lied that people from A.R.E (Edgar Cayce´s association) confirmed that he was Cayce reincarnated, while in fact they did exactly the contrary;

Correction by transiten:
"The reincarnation of Edgar Cacey?" note the question mark...is written by Wynn Free. At first David didn't want to talk about this because he knew what ridicule he should be submitted to.

David never said that pple from the A.R.E confirmed he was Cayce reincarnated, but that they they had a strong reaction when they saw him since he resembles a lot to Cacey when he was young.
David also met the relatives of Cacey and they did not believe David is the reincarnation of their father. It's all in the book.

Raf. (/QUOTE)
Then there was his 2012 ascension predictions, which again catapulted him into fame, but didn´t happen...

Raf.

Yes i never believed in that either, I'm an astrologer and couldn't see a[/B]nything special in the mundane chart.

[RMorgan]

Don't know much about his inaccurate readings except a friend of a person on Avalon who was dissatisfied.

Then there was his Edgar Cayce´s reincarnation incident, when he lied that people from A.R.E (Edgar Cayce´s association) confirmed that he was Cayce reincarnated, while in fact they did exactly the contrary;

Correction:
"The reincarnation of Edgar Cacey?" is written by Wynn Free. At first David didn't want to talk about this because he knew what ridicule he should be submitted to.

David never said that pple from the A.R.E confirmed he was Cayce reincarnated, but that they they had a strong reaction when they saw him since he resembles a lot to Cacey when he was young.
David also met the relatives of Cacey and they did not believe David is the reincarnation of their father. It's all in the book.

Then there was his 2012 ascension predictions, which again catapulted him into fame, but didn´t happen...

Raf.

Yes i never believed in that either, I'm an astrologer and couldn't see anything special in the mundane chart.


Yes, it was exactly that.

Such statement was very polemic back then and A.R.E immediately responded saying that such episode never happened. In the book, they never actually say who at A.R.E was allegedly impressed with his resemblance to Cayce.

Since then, they have made it very clear that as far as they can tell, Cayce never did reincarnate or was channeled; It´s in their FAQ: http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/edgarcayce.aspx?id=2473#reincarnate

Anyway, there´s also that stuff that just because he started to hang out with Carla Rueckert, one of the original channelers of the Law of One material, he felt he could channel Ra as well and started doing so right away...

I don´t know about you guys and gals, but it´s more than clear to me that David Wilcock is simply a very talented opportunist.

If you really think about it, 99% of his media exposure happened around things that were either lies, misconceptions or simply never happened.

Raf.

[transiten]

How do i delete a post? I don't know properly how to divide quotes and insert my own comment, I tried to change it and it became even worse...?

[marielle]

As long as DW is actively steering people to the Law Of One (Ra Material (http://llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx)), then he has my support. It doesn't matter if he's an egomaniac, confused little boy, or trying to make a fast buck. In fact, I think it's better that he does turn people off after they find the LOO because that way, he is less likely to attain "Guru" status in their eyes. The whole point is to try to encourage people to think for themselves. It's the message that's important, not the antics of the messenger. Here is a quote from "Secrets of the UFO":


We cannot come directly to you, and land upon your surface and speak with you. For it would do no good. We must provide a spark, a clue, something for a start, a start of seeking. Seeking that results in finding the truth that is within you. This, my friends, is the only way to help the people of your planet. For they must help themselves. They must find the truth that is within them. They must initiate the seeking. All that we can do is to provide a stimulus for their own initiation of this seeking.

[Anchor]

If you really think about it, 99% of his media exposure happened around things that were either lies, misconceptions or simply never happened.

Lies imply intent, so I dispute that in the vast majority of cases he has intentionally lied. (It has happened, but we all make mistakes). Misconceptions - sure - who among us is free from them? This is why discernment is so important.

Life is like this. When you start to discern that the whole of what you know as the fabric of reality is an illusion - a malleable one even - that we dance in a ballroom made of thought - you will find that the illusion changes depending on who it is an illusion for.

Finding this out, especially for the hard-core realists who demand proof every step of the way, is not at all easy. Illusory proofs needed for illusory realities!

You will find out though, just as surely as your material body, that complex instrument which tunes you in to the illusion, will one day die.

[araucaria]

Why do we keep having these David Wilcock threads that run on very predictable lines? Why, because, as with big events like the JFK assassination, we know that some mystification is going on and we can’t leave it alone until we have put it to bed. Here’s my last word on this situation.

We (or perhaps just some of us) are not beings evolving towards enlightenment, we are enlightened beings who have devolved to come here and play a role in a kind of global festspiele. Some have fairly typecast parts to play and can feel more or less comfortable with the character they embody, although I suspect most feel some discomfort at times, perhaps disliking the things the person is doing or maybe even disliking the person they think they are. Many are playing parts that require them to be unconscious of certain aspects of what they are really doing.

The entity playing the role of ‘David Wilcock’ has a difficult role to play because it is a key role in the deception which is the plot of this festspiele. He is very bright, self-aware and aware about awareness, and has been uncovering a great deal of useful scientific and other information. He is also a highly flawed character who is having a hard time making sense of who he is and who he is not. Part of his role involves being greatly confused.

So for example, he was born on the one day in the late 20th century that could link him astrologically to Edgar Cayce, and so on and so forth. But it is a setup job from start to finish! Wealth, success and popularity are much more important to him than they should be, and whenever he is proved wrong he just carries on regardless. As a self-styled teacher, he should have failed long ago, but he is sustained by the groupies on his website.

His case may be likened to that of Steven Greer, who is also in very murky water. This is what I wrote on the Steven Greer thread:




The following may be of help in understanding Bill and others’ dilemma in dealing with the case of Steven Greer. The idea of a leader being a traitor to his own cause is nothing new to reader’s of Borges’s Labyrinths, and notably the story ‘Theme of the Traitor and Hero’ – p.76 http://ebookbrowse.com/gdoc.php?id=374466039&url=1b06925c605dfbad8f1f7b6d42a7110e

The story tells of the investigation by one… Ryan into the mysterious circumstances of the death of the rebel leader Kilpatrick on the cusp of victory for his cause. It turns out all previous attempts at revolt had been thwarted at the last moment by the actions of a traitor, who is discovered to be the leader himself. To the extent that there is honour in treachery, Kilpatrick accepts his fate of death provided it is used as an instrument to serve the cause rather than defeat it.


It was then that Nolan conceived his strange scheme. Ireland idolized Kilpatrick; the most tenuous suspicion of his infamy would have jeopardized the revolt; Nolan proposed a plan which made of the traitor's execution an instrument for the country's emancipation. He suggested that the condemned man die at the hands of an unknown assassin in deliberately dramatic circumstances which would remain engraved in the imagination of the people and would hasten the revolt. Kilpatrick swore he would take part in the scheme, which gave him the occasion to redeem himself and for which his death would provide the final flourish.

The solution then is a Festspiele or theatrical performance on the largest scale, with many people acting small or not so small parts – what we would now call a false-flag Boston bombing-type operation.

Borges’s story is no more than a brilliant piece of fiction. However, there may be a germ of an idea in there for a practical face-saving operation leading to the jeopardized positive outcome.

So what’s the score with David Wilcock? This is what I wrote on Bill’s latest credible whistleblower thread:

If Jay Weidner and Jiminii are correct, then probably it was a time traveler back in 1890 who influenced the perception of the Mayan question. The whole 2012 saga swelled out of all proportion fuelled by insider leakage and would have been guided all the way to serve this positive function as a booby-trap.

In this regard, the magnificently diabolical work of someone like David Wilcock was not in passing on insider info to his followers, but in shoveling 2012 disinfo in the opposite direction, to the controllers through his insider contacts, thereby consolidating their belief system. Although on the face of it another damp squib, December 21st was a game changer because those whose really believed and needed things to happen now find themselves in uncharted territory, so now their game is starting to unravel as Jiminii describes.

Anyone who knows anything about sport will confirm that if you don’t finish off your opponent when you are ahead, you will almost certainly lose. The closer you get – or think you get – to victory, the more likely you are to fold up altogether because what is happening was never supposed to happen. We are winning the third set of a tennis match that we were supposed to lose in two :) :) :)

http://www.englishblog.com/2009/01/cartoon-of-the-day.html#.Ug3Br38auSo

I have been saying for some time that solar activity reflects human activity, i.e. it reacts to Wall St. rather than the other way round. Obviously then, the major effort made by a commando from the future will have involved, as we have known all along here on Avalon, the calming presence of spiritually advanced beings. This, extending out in all directions, would be the cause not just of pockets of resistance to the NWO, but also not least of the Sun’s unexpected behavior.

As our friend Jorr Lundstrom used to say, “All is well!” :)

[onawah]

Interesting post, Auracaria!
That is certainly a good description of David Wilcock's darker side...(and we all have one...)
I still have mixed feelings about Greer, but you've given me food for thought.
(I'd very much like to know your thoughts on Drunvalo Melchizedek as well. )
It certainly is an interesting global festspiele we are playing out here...:nod:

[araucaria]

Interesting post, Auracaria!
That is certainly a good description of David Wilcock's darker side...(and we all have one...)
I still have mixed feelings about Greer, but you've given me food for thought.
(I'd very much like to know your thoughts on Drunvalo Melchizedek as well. )
It certainly is an interesting global festspiele we are playing out here...:nod:
Thank you Onawah. I know too little to speak of Drumvalo Melchisedek (can’t even spell his name), and too little to be sure of how exactly Steven Greer fits in. He could after all be one of theirs disguised as one of ours. On the Disclosure Project, I would just note that with Carol Rosin’s testimony we are invited to believe the words of a high level Nazi, von Braun, a leading Project Paperclip import – and we do: why is that?

My main point is this: not only are we not the meat suit that we are currently using; neither are we the ‘person’ occupying that meat suit. We are a higher entity acting a part in a play that is about to an unexpected happy end. Some of the costumes and makeup are wearing thin.

I think we need to re-evaluate some little quirks of fate whereby the “wrong” person has reached positions of power. JFK was never intended to be president; it was his elder brother who was groomed for the job, until he was killed in World War II. Similarly, George VI was never intended to be king of England; it was his elder brother who was groomed for the job, until he was forced to abdicate by Simon Parkes’s grandfather and others. So George VI and his daughter Elizabeth II are possible white hats. If so, the entity playing the character of the Queen has played a blinder pretending to be a monstrous reptilian disguised as a nice young girl all the way through to an affable old granny. And who knows, maybe David Wilcock’s take on Obama as one of us will prove right after appearing so horribly wrong.

Talking of white hats, I think the papacy has also been infiltrated since John XXIII, except for the counter-attack launched by John Paul II and his successor. The present incumbent is definitely not what was expected for the last pope before Armageddon as recorded in advance by St Malachy. There have been some interesting glitches on the way. For example, before passing, the liberal Pope Paul VI published Humanae Vitae, the reactionary encyclical banning contraception. This was done in order to ensure that Albino Luciani would become his successor, knowing that he would promptly overturn this ruling. Unfortunately, John Paul I was killed before this could happen. So basically, for fifty years, we have had most popes trying to do good, to the church reactionaries’ despair, and those who are justifiably anticlerical, whether for spiritual reasons or because of all the bloodbaths and other abuse, have been forced to overlook this fact. Try telling Giovonni that even a Jesuit pope can be saved :)

[Jayke]

To quote the mystic 18th century poet, William Blake:

"I must create my own system or be enslaved by another mans; I will not reason and compare: my business is to create"

For anyone who hasn't studied Blakes work in detail, he created his own cosmology of ideals and beliefs, much as homer did as he wrote the Iliad, personifying the archetypes of consciousness into poems and artwork describing the various gods of his imagination.

David Wilcok, in my view, is very much following a similar process of creation. Although he seems to have replaced gods with aliens, yet he's still creating his own system of belief, so he earns my respect for that. I personally enjoy his personal brand of knowledge and he discusses a lot of interesting topics on his show, although he seems to be veering off into discussing aliens more and more every week now and I'd rather just hear the wisdom teachings the show is named after.

Someone mentioned about how people shouldn't charge others money for sharing the truth. personally, I've never paid anyone to tell me the truth, I am however very happy to pay people to point me in the right direction so I can discover that truth for myself. We pay guides to lead a path through the amazon rain forests, sure we could get to where we're going eventually by ourselves but I'd rather pay someone who's already been there for the short cut. But maybe that's just because I like to say ahead of the curve :)

[onawah]

The post quoted below from Auracaria brings up a lot of issues for me (though in a very positive way), one regarding the spectacle we are sometimes witness to if we have the discernment to see, of souls who incarnate with very difficult missions, putting themselves into extremely edgy and precarious positions because they want to bring about favorable changes in some critical part of the paradigm, though they are usually unable to do as much as they would like because of the stagnation, corruption and ignorance that has prevailed for so long on the planet.
And we see them so often unrecognized and reviled by many of the very ones they wish to help.
Why do so many have such high expectations of individuals in these difficult and self-sacrificing situations?
And why do so many choose these "volunteers" as the easy targets for their "righteous anger"?
Does that just come from naive expectations, as if expecting a bumper crop just because one has tossed some viable seeds into a garden that hasn't been weeded in years...?
Or do the attacks stem some more far more feral instincts?
(Awakening can be painful--sometimes we crucify those who expose us to more Light than is comfortable....or we can become impatient with what seems like a very small amount of success where so much more seems needful.)
At the very least, the volunteers have prevented someone else with much less noble intentions from taking their place in the same position, and for that we should be grateful.
Incremental steps toward the good are better than none at all...
The personal cost may be high for such volunteers, and the risk not only that they will be reviled, but that they may be compromised, forget their purpose, or even infected with the very corruption they are attempting to expose and lance.
It is almost impossible, without much wisdom and discernment, to know where the line is between success and failure in such risky endeavors.

Another issue that must be staring at least some of us in the face at this time is that of forgiveness for and acceptance of the very ones who have seemingly been causing all the problems in this illusion we call Reality, those whom we label the elite, the Illuminati, the traitors....
And here again, the righteous anger may arise, but on second glance, is it actually righteous, or is it something more hypocritical?
And can we dare forgive, much less accept those who we think of as possibly irredeemable and so soaked in the blood of innocents that we cringe from contemplating our actual Oneness with them?
If we are One with them, doesn't that mean we share in their guilt?
Or, if we forgive them, does that exonerate us from shared culpability?
I think this needs much more examination and understanding by most of us.

The viewpoint that all are mere players may possibly offer a safe haven from the self doubt and recrimination, but it demands constant self-reminding of who we really are in this Reality, and a practice of self awareness that precludes falling back into the illusion of role and game playing.

(And by the way, the name of the book I mentioned is The Master Game --Pathways to Higher Consciousness, published in the 60s, by Robert S. deRopp,and it is about self-mastery, which includes understanding who we are, as well as why and how to play the games in life with discipline and finesse, also to recognize when and how to move up to a higher level of consciousness. It was published in the 60s and was a very timely book for those of us just beginning to awaken to a higher purpose.)

If now is indeed such a time for further moving up, then there will be signs of a deeper awakening in individuals ready for that new level.
I am seeing some realizations in myself that are dealing deadly blows to some formidable walls of resistance and blindness that I have so far been unable to break through permanently, triggered by ideas and concepts that Aruacaria has interjected into this discussion.
And I am grateful for this little island of new, spacious self awareness that is manifesting and that feels so promising.

I will take it as a sign that the two Grand Sextiles occurring in this month may indeed indicate what they seem to--a higher consciousness and stronger, deeper energetic grounding into the new grid that will make so much more possible what has been as yet unrealized, and indeed, almost unimaginable...
Grand Sextiles are rare; the last one occurred at the end of WWII-- and this month, we have two of them! That seems to me like a very positive sign, making this year's Lion's Gate something very special indeed.
See:
From:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=712677#post712677

Another Grand Sextile coming up!
A Grand Day Indeed
July 10, 2013
August 26, Grand Cross, Grand Sextile, Grand Square, Grand Trine, July 29
http://afoolsinclination.wordpress.c...nd-day-indeed/
http://afoolsinclination.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/2013-7-29two.png?w=300&h=300

A Grand Sextile is an amazingly interesting Astrological formation. It requires six participants. All of the angles are 60, 120, and 180 degrees. All signs are within two elements. It contains:

Sextiles (six)

Grand Sextile on July 29, 2013

Grand Sextile on July 29, 2013
Trines (six)
Kites (six)
Mystical Rectangles (three)
Oppositions (three)
Grand Trines (two)

A Grand Trine requires three participants. It contains three Trines and all angles are 120 degrees. All corners occupy the same element.

A Grand Square (or Grand Cross) requires four participants. All angles are 90 or 180 degrees and all corners are within the same cardinality. It contains:

Squares (four)
T-Squares (four)
Oppositions (two)

On July 29, 2013, we have a Grand Sextile and two T-Squares (shown above right). Notice that the sun and Uranus sit off of the Grand Sextile and form the 90 degree corners of the two T-Squares. The Grand Sextile holds only the elements water and earth. The T-Squares add fire. The entire chart lacks air.

Many Astrologers are talking about this Grand Sextile. But I have discovered something else that is even more intriguing to me. Consider this chart below.

http://afoolsinclination.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/2013-8-26.png?w=600&h=600

Grand Sextile and Grand Square on August 26, 2013

If you only took a quick look, it seems the same. However this is the chart for 8/26/2013 – one lunar month after our first Grand Sextile. This time, a Grand Cross sits on top of it.

Venus in Libra moves off of the July Grand Sextile and in August creates the fourth corner of the Grand Square. She is the one participant in an air sign. Notice that she mediates between Pluto and Jupiter. Also notice that Pluto and Jupiter are the two points in common between the Grand Square and the Grand Sextile. This opposition is thus the most significant.

In my opinion, this day is far more interesting even than the 29th of July. Let’s see why.

Beginning with the Grand Sextile, I am going to start with Scorpio and work counter clock-wise:

Saturn in Scorpio is in Mutual Reception with Pluto in Capricorn. Each rules the other’s sign. They also aspect (Sextile). In a sense, they almost trade places and thus gain power from each other.
Neptune rules Pisces and is most powerful there.
The moon is exalted in Taurus. This is its second most powerful place to be. It is also conjunct the South Node of the moon.
Jupiter is exalted in Cancer.
Mercury rules Virgo.

Now, moving on to the Grand Square, we have two corners not in the above list:

Venus rules Libra.

The only planet not specifically in a place of power is Uranus. At least it is not in a weak place either.

The top half of the chart from Aries through Scorpio is stable. Notice that it changes only slightly between July 29th and August 26th.

The lower half from Taurus through Libra is more dynamic. The moon has to travel all the way around the zodiac to form the second Grand Sextile. Mars is replaced with Jupiter. The sun replaces Venus, and Venus moves into the Grand Square from the Grand Sextile.

I think if we are going to analyze the Grand Sextile on 7/29, we have to also analyze the Grand Sextile on 8/26. They are bookends. The Grand Sextile comes and goes quickly (because of the moon), but the fact that it returns is important.

That’s enough for today. I’m going to let information flow in over time…


And then there's the following chart from a different source, which explains further what the TWO Grand Sextiles may portend: From:[http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=713960#post713960


Tom Nordman posts us his latest work with text within it and his covering comment - 'Sharing with you my latest thoughts around the celestial alignments of the grand merkabas sextiles that book end the periods of July 29th, and August 26th.'
https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/999572_690780094268766_1371247836_n.jpg

I see signs of friends locally having a hard time dealing with these new energies, but I think when we get an idea of what is causing all of our "stuff" to come up big time, it can be very helpful. Grand Sextiles are not in everyone's vocabularies, but even without a grasp of astrology, an intuitive understanding can help to fill in the blanks and give one some coping tools.

I'm more grateful for this thread than I have been for any on Avalon for a long time. Special thanks to Auracaria. :high5:



Why do we keep having these David Wilcock threads that run on very predictable lines? Why, because, as with big events like the JFK assassination, we know that some mystification is going on and we can’t leave it alone until we have put it to bed. Here’s my last word on this situation.

We (or perhaps just some of us) are not beings evolving towards enlightenment, we are enlightened beings who have devolved to come here and play a role in a kind of global festspiele. Some have fairly typecast parts to play and can feel more or less comfortable with the character they embody, although I suspect most feel some discomfort at times, perhaps disliking the things the person is doing or maybe even disliking the person they think they are. Many are playing parts that require them to be unconscious of certain aspects of what they are really doing.

The entity playing the role of ‘David Wilcock’ has a difficult role to play because it is a key role in the deception which is the plot of this festspiele. He is very bright, self-aware and aware about awareness, and has been uncovering a great deal of useful scientific and other information. He is also a highly flawed character who is having a hard time making sense of who he is and who he is not. Part of his role involves being greatly confused.

So for example, he was born on the one day in the late 20th century that could link him astrologically to Edgar Cayce, and so on and so forth. But it is a setup job from start to finish! Wealth, success and popularity are much more important to him than they should be, and whenever he is proved wrong he just carries on regardless. As a self-styled teacher, he should have failed long ago, but he is sustained by the groupies on his website.

His case may be likened to that of Steven Greer, who is also in very murky water. This is what I wrote on the Steven Greer thread:




The following may be of help in understanding Bill and others’ dilemma in dealing with the case of Steven Greer. The idea of a leader being a traitor to his own cause is nothing new to reader’s of Borges’s Labyrinths, and notably the story ‘Theme of the Traitor and Hero’ – p.76 http://ebookbrowse.com/gdoc.php?id=374466039&url=1b06925c605dfbad8f1f7b6d42a7110e

The story tells of the investigation by one… Ryan into the mysterious circumstances of the death of the rebel leader Kilpatrick on the cusp of victory for his cause. It turns out all previous attempts at revolt had been thwarted at the last moment by the actions of a traitor, who is discovered to be the leader himself. To the extent that there is honour in treachery, Kilpatrick accepts his fate of death provided it is used as an instrument to serve the cause rather than defeat it.


It was then that Nolan conceived his strange scheme. Ireland idolized Kilpatrick; the most tenuous suspicion of his infamy would have jeopardized the revolt; Nolan proposed a plan which made of the traitor's execution an instrument for the country's emancipation. He suggested that the condemned man die at the hands of an unknown assassin in deliberately dramatic circumstances which would remain engraved in the imagination of the people and would hasten the revolt. Kilpatrick swore he would take part in the scheme, which gave him the occasion to redeem himself and for which his death would provide the final flourish.

The solution then is a Festspiele or theatrical performance on the largest scale, with many people acting small or not so small parts – what we would now call a false-flag Boston bombing-type operation.

Borges’s story is no more than a brilliant piece of fiction. However, there may be a germ of an idea in there for a practical face-saving operation leading to the jeopardized positive outcome.

So what’s the score with David Wilcock? This is what I wrote on Bill’s latest credible whistleblower thread:

If Jay Weidner and Jiminii are correct, then probably it was a time traveler back in 1890 who influenced the perception of the Mayan question. The whole 2012 saga swelled out of all proportion fuelled by insider leakage and would have been guided all the way to serve this positive function as a booby-trap.

In this regard, the magnificently diabolical work of someone like David Wilcock was not in passing on insider info to his followers, but in shoveling 2012 disinfo in the opposite direction, to the controllers through his insider contacts, thereby consolidating their belief system. Although on the face of it another damp squib, December 21st was a game changer because those whose really believed and needed things to happen now find themselves in uncharted territory, so now their game is starting to unravel as Jiminii describes.

Anyone who knows anything about sport will confirm that if you don’t finish off your opponent when you are ahead, you will almost certainly lose. The closer you get – or think you get – to victory, the more likely you are to fold up altogether because what is happening was never supposed to happen. We are winning the third set of a tennis match that we were supposed to lose in two :) :) :)

http://www.englishblog.com/2009/01/cartoon-of-the-day.html#.Ug3Br38auSo

I have been saying for some time that solar activity reflects human activity, i.e. it reacts to Wall St. rather than the other way round. Obviously then, the major effort made by a commando from the future will have involved, as we have known all along here on Avalon, the calming presence of spiritually advanced beings. This, extending out in all directions, would be the cause not just of pockets of resistance to the NWO, but also not least of the Sun’s unexpected behavior.

As our friend Jorr Lundstrom used to say, “All is well!” :)

[araucaria]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62212-Wisdom-Teachings-with-David-Wilcock-on-Gaiamtv.com&p=716387&viewfull=1#post716387
Wonderful post onawah. Thank you!

[Marianne]

How do i delete a post? I don't know properly how to divide quotes and insert my own comment, I tried to change it and it became even worse...?

Hi transiten,

Edit: As a member you can only delete the contents within a post. If you want to delete the post, let one of the mods know.

To insert quotes.
Each quote will need to be enclosed with quote/unquote markers that look like this:

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this goes before the text you are quoting. If you want to indicate who you are quoting, add an equal sign and the person's user name, thus: [quote=transiten]

Remember they are exactly the same, except the one that goes at the end of the quote has a slash mark.

Here it is in practice:
[quote] Hello transition ... hope this helps!

Let me know if you have any questions or a follow up.

Marianne

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