View Full Version : A credible insider whistleblower, and some extremely important information -- if true
Bill Ryan
12th August 2013, 22:58
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Dear All:
I listened to an extract from a Mike Harris and Gordon Duff 21 March radio show a couple of nights ago, and a caller phoned in who was clearly an insider (probably a government contractor, who seemed to be a geologist). He asked to be called Miguel.
The entire show is here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YEGfExrDw0I
The 21 minute extract of the caller's contribution is here. It starts at 1:03:00 on the recording of the entire show.
http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_(MJ12)_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_%28MJ12%29_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3)
Miguel was on the air for 21 minutes, and offered a range of information, extremely credibly, that made my hair stand on end. He seemed both plausible and credible.
In an extraordinary series of intriguing snippets — many of which Gordon Duff interrupted and therefore remained incomplete — Miguel stated that huge earth changes were on their way (and hinted that they would not be man-made or natural), combined with food shortages that will make people want to be in the FEMA camps to be fed. Not only that, but there would be solar problems that would require people to be underground for short periods of time.
And much more besides, including a non-human threat that we might not even want to think about.
Miguel said that we have to unfocus on everything we spend so much wasted time talking about, and focus on organizing to hunker down to survive, because it's the only important question. He stated that ETs and politics really don't matter at all compared with that.
Most of this would seem so extreme as to be laughable, but the worrying thing is that he came across as so highly credible. He said he'd called in to the Mike Harris show before, so I'd like to ask members here if they can assist by digging out other shows where he may have been on air. What he says needs to picked apart word by word.
Here's the transcript of the important parts of those 21 minutes. I've emphasized what I felt were the critical parts in red bold italics.
* For those who may not know what a '45-70' is, it's a high-powered classic rifle first made in 1863, like this. (http://home.comcast.net/%7Eutspoolup/levers3.JPG)
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Miguel (1:35): I am a person who, I consider one of the few, who KNOWS the truth of the topic. I believe maybe yourself [to Gordon Duff] and Mike [Harris] are BELIEVERS because of information, but because I have... my background... there is no dispute, and the issues that you’re talking about about alien races and the upcoming future.. the 45-70 is a good round for any kind of a…
(2:10: Gordon Duff interrupts)
Miguel (2:16): but here’s the thing that I wanted to bring up to you guys and just throw out: you just talked about Jim Fetzer and the Kennedy assassination. Well, me being in the know, with UFOs... I’ve lived though 3 or 4 decades with the reality that most of the people I would ever talk to would think I’m crazy, and so you don’t talk, and you learn, and you live life, well here, president Kennedy, we are still spending thousands upon thousands of hours of our precious time debating the truth to a matter.
Now, the reason why I bring that up is I lived a life of UFO reality, I lived a life working for the government knowing they’ve spent trillions of dollars preparing and interacting with our reality…
(3:12: Duff interrupts: can you say what branch of the government you worked for, or what organization?)
Miguel (3:18): On air, no, and not on this time specifically, but I can say that I bought a missile base east of Denver years ago because I’ve worked with people, upper management, that closed down the Denver airport, and...
(3:39: Duff interrupts: can you tell us how much work there is underground in the United States, how many acres do we have underground, how many feet underground are we working? Is that in your bailiwick?)
Miguel (3:52): No, and if it was, I wouldn’t say it, because I wouldn’t be able to say it again tomorrow if I said it today. But I will say this: I sat and had dinner with the president of the largest tunneling company in the world, and this is a few years ago, and I was actually the chief engineer in a large design-build project and he was a sister company, that was owned by HBG, that’s an English... the largest construction company in the world, or one of them, but he, the tunneler, I was trying to get on a job that normally would have taken two months to tunnel through a mountain.
Well, we got the job, and they were done in two WEEKS — with the tunneling aspect. So what I’m trying to say to you guys is that yes, the technology is far beyond what we've seen from the 60s, and we hear all this stuff about 7 miles a day and huge cities, but what I’d like to bring to the forefront, to the Veterans Today and the Rense crowd, is that with the Earth changes that are coming up, we have to have an ability to be underground for short periods of time because of SOLAR activity.
If you’re two miles underground, or you’re in a tunnel going Mach 5, you know, from place to place, and there’s, let’s say, a significant earthquake, I don’t think I’d want to be in that tunnel going Mach 5, because a little bit of a shift and you’re toast. So the idea is that all these underground bases, that's really not an issue for us, nor is it really a solution.
But there are solutions which is the reality that yes there are aliens, yes they are here because the world is about ready to go through a weakening process as far as the catastrophes that are about to be pushed upon us which are not man-made, and it’ll make it an opportunity for the re- ... let’s say, the re-inhabitation of the hidden alien races that have been here — in a small extent — they’ve been hidden because there's too many of us… you know, we control the planet, basically.
After the catastrophes, the Powers-That-Be think that it’s an opportunity to take over. And when you talk about… you know, the last caller talked about genetics, and history, and that's all really interesting, and there's so much truth to it…
(6:33: Duff interrupts with a question about bloodlines)
Miguel (7:01): There’s a lot more to that subject that I know and that I could really talk about, but yes, it’s there.
(7:07: Duff interrupts again)
Miguel brings the conversation back to what he wants to talk about, 8:20): My problem is: I have a son, you have a son, Mike has a son, and Mike, you are worried more about your son and his hopefully children, and so am I about my son and my hopefully grandchildren, than I am about myself, and thinking and talking and spending all my time about what happened yesterday isn’t really helping THEM.
And what I'm trying to say with my knowledge of KNOWING — and I don’t CARE abut the aliens, I don’t! — I have weapons that maybe will help if I ever have to meet with them, but that's NOT my problem today.
My problem today is they are here because we are going to get caught with our pants down, and a lot of that is because the power brokers are taking… you know, e-ticket rides, it’s been used over and over — they have their e-ticket rides to what they think they’re going to survive these upcoming years. And believe me…
(9:19: Duff interrupts again — he says he has definite verification that there’s a group that thinks they’re going to survive, and the rest of us aren’t)
Miguel (9:38): Well, everyone's heard of the Georgia Guidestones. Think about the idea that if there’s only 500 million of us left, based on war and catastrophe, not just Earth Changes, or just man-made — but then it’s a manageable planet for the other race, and they will use us as their slaves and food.
And that's the plan. And believe me, what I’m trying to say to everybody is let’s say, “Oh My Gosh, what do we do?” Well, it’s real simple. We have Veterans Today. We have all the skills, all the people, we have hundreds of thousands of Americans that… I mean, I have a missile base that can be created that could support thousands of people, not in the missile base, but we could, by refocusing, if we only knew what was about to happen, if we just refocused, we don’t try to recreate the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the United States, we just take care of ourselves, and if we have 100, or 200, or a million of us, they can’t not let us alone.
(10:49: Duff interrupts, missing the point and changing the subject)
Miguel brings it back on topic again (13:54): Gordie, I know, But bringing it back to Mike, what I'm saying with the drones or the this, I'm trying to get back to instead of fighting the Big Ship that the government or the hidden agendas, why don’t we try to take care of our own and get some of those contracts. Now, I'm not trying to say…
(14:18: Duff interrupts)
Miguel (15:19): But Gordie […] (15.41) what I'm worried about are Americans and potentially hundreds of millions of people on board with trying to feed themselves, house themselves, and grow their families, and the way to do that is to actually identify that UFOs — we don’t need to focus on, we don’t need to worry about it. Let TV do that, let the sheeple worry about aliens.
We need to worry about the upcoming problems that you and your intelligence can tell you is real — that is, how are we going to feed our children. And clothe them, and keep them away from the FEMA camps, because they’re starving.
(16:23: Duff interrupts)
Miguel (17:33): two comments real quick, Gordie…
(17:37: Duff interrupts again, enthusing about the 45-70)
Miguel (18:44): you know, I love it. I have a 45-70 because it’ll take down a grizzly bear, and it’ll take down a rhino, and it’ll take down anything bigger than a human being, that might not be a human being, that comes on the planet. But, it takes a special round to do that: you have to add copper, and a few other items to the actual bullet itself.
(18:08: Duff interrupts again)
Miguel (18:11): Hey, but here’s the thing I want to leave you guys with, because you have other callers. I was on a research vessel before the years you’re talking about when the government ramped up into what they’re… the undergrounds, and all that.
I actually had the head geologist, which was one of the premier geologists in the world at that time on this research vessel, come out and have me look at a slide that we had just drilled and cored, and he showed me the magnetic flips of the planet.
Now, we’ve all heard about the magnetic changes and in our history about pole shifts, and magnetic flips. This was the most premier geologist in the world at the time and he was so fearful that he had to come out, and I was the first person that he could grab to show what he had, the thin slide of the rock, in black light to show the magnetic reversal of the iron ore.
But he was so fearful of what he was seeing, and what I'm trying to say to you is forget the aliens so much, forget politics so much, really understand that what is important is far greater — and that’s survival.
TODD & NORA
12th August 2013, 23:00
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Bill Ryan
12th August 2013, 23:11
Awesome summary - thanks!
Thank you! -- but do also listen to the audio (http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_%28MJ12%29_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3). That may help explain why I found myself taking this very seriously.
norman
12th August 2013, 23:31
I wish they'd have shut up more and let him say more of what was obviously well formed and packed full in his mind.
Conchis
12th August 2013, 23:31
I find the having to add copper "and a few other items" interesting. I sure would like to know what other "items" And that guy sounds like all of his wires are wrapped tight and connected right.
lookbeyond
12th August 2013, 23:43
Hi Bill, i have not as yet listened to the audio, am wondering however if a time frame was given?
Many Thanks, lookbeyond
kooky
12th August 2013, 23:46
I'm just about to listen to the audio and I have to agree with Miguel, my concern also is protecting my family members. Living in Glasgow Scotland I'm not so sure if I am in a good place at all to survive any Earth changes. I don't have a basement or anything underground really but information like this is important because it gives us time to sort it what we are going to do if this situation occurs and it very well might occur.
Bill Ryan
12th August 2013, 23:48
Hi Bill, i have not as yet listened to the audio, am wondering however if a time frame was given?
No time frame. That's the question Gordon Duff should have asked, but he kept skidding off on personal tangents.
The impression given was that it was all to escalate in the next handful of years. But he never got round to talking about time or sequencing.
Sierra
12th August 2013, 23:51
I find the having to add copper "and a few other items" interesting. I sure would like to know what other "items" And that guy sounds like all of his wires are wrapped tight and connected right.
Indeed, I want the recipe as well. Sounds like critical information to me.
Conchis
12th August 2013, 23:52
He seemed to be saying that we don't need to be miles underground, but I'd like to know what he meant by saying we needed to be underground for short periods of time. Apparently he thinks a missle silo is deed enough, but I wonder if he has more detail about how deep as well. I've been considering building a bagged earth building....hmmmm...
spiritguide
13th August 2013, 00:13
The ice slides that showed the mag flip were done by NOAA and Naval Research back in the 60's and 70's. That part is real and not disputable according to my knowledge.
and the other info is viable for recovery. Thanks for the jolt Bill.
Anchor
13th August 2013, 00:17
This is why benevolent aliens DONT show up (overtly) yet. There is so much fear about aliens (which reinforces the illusion that we are physical and powerless) that we end up with some of us even trying to concoct alchemical bullets, with which to "fill them full of" if they ever do dare show!
Fear shoots first and asks questions later.
kooky
13th August 2013, 00:23
I think some of you will like this. Should only take half hour of your time should you choose to watch the 3 parts but this is a scenario I always wondered would work. Could a basement shelter actually work?
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Bill Ryan
13th August 2013, 00:56
He seemed to be saying that we don't need to be miles underground, but I'd like to know what he meant by saying we needed to be underground for short periods of time. Apparently he thinks a missle silo is deed enough, but I wonder if he has more detail about how deep as well. I've been considering building a bagged earth building....hmmmm...
It might be prudent to have a part of your building underground, like a cellar or basement. If you built it against a sloping hillside, this would be very easy to engineer.
This all reminds me of a message I got in March 2012 from an insider (name given and verified, a publicly known scientist with a Top Secret clearance, working for the DHS) -- warning of a coming solar event, and making a joke that I should "be prepared to either get a lot of sunblock or, better still, go underground."
This was a follow-up to a message I first got from him in October 2007, warning, with apologies, that "we were all going to be in for a very hard time".
On my getting back to him, he clarified, more soberly, that it was not necessary to be deep underground, just reasonably protected and sheltered: hence the sunblock joke.
The impression I got was that a few feet/meters of soil cover would be fine, better still on top of a hard shell like a buried shipping container, two or three of which can easily be converted to a very comfortable and strong shelter.
Gardener
13th August 2013, 00:59
First impressions
One thing I got from that is we spend too much time debating and arguing the merits (or not) of every little thing; like people are still discussing JFK all these years after the event, when it can't really change much. Time to get pro-active in protecting ourselves and families in whatever way we each feel inclined
Seems they might know each other Miguel and Duff, Duff wasn't properly listening, his interuptions were inappropriate, dismissive even. Also there was a certain amount of 'insider' banter which they glossed over somewhat.
What age of person does anyone think Miguel might be 48 - 50 younger? No grandchildren, but hopes to have?
On the whole it sounds quite feasable, there was a certain amount of gun toting filters in play and we know the magnetic poles reverse with regularity, from the ice cores as Spiritguide said. And the '£eemacamps' (deliberate miss spelling) would be handy pens for the cattle/food/slaves to be provided with food, very tempting when one is starving.
An attempt at fear induction?
A genuine attempt to warn?
A narcissistic nut on a pedestal?
Ratings?
I have always considered VT to be controlled release for whatever reasons they need to release something, So my question would be----- Why would they want us to know this particular information now? Throw the dog a bone? Look in the opposite direction? I think we all know that something is about to hit the fan in the next 3-4 years so preparation is not unreasonable after all we might survive or it may not happen. It seems to be hard wired into us as a species.
But I do think it is worth listening to, and more than once.
JohnJ
13th August 2013, 01:19
Hi Bill, i have not as yet listened to the audio, am wondering however if a time frame was given?
No time frame. That's the question Gordon Duff should have asked, but he kept skidding off on personal tangents.
The impression given was that it was all to escalate in the next handful of years. But he never got round to talking about time or sequencing.
Too bad they could not let Miguel answer completly or finish his thoughts. We may have heard some sort of time frame? Or even details that would really matter.
Bill, any chance you could pursue an interview with Miguel? After listening to the interview it seems Miguel might be full or interesting information.
Tesseract
13th August 2013, 01:26
I narrowed in on the 23 minute segment, unfortunately it was preceded by: ‘The people we’re dealing with are bolsheviks’ at about 1:02:45, and finished off with the blood libel at 1:25:11. You couldn’t make this stuff up. This doesn’t reflect on Miguel and his message, but I’m just starting to find it incredible how often this garbage is coming up these days. Sorry for the distraction, anyway by now you probably know that I call these things out when I see them.
About the call. Duff didn’t appear to be taking the matter seriously, and it really was a pretty poor performance from him as a host when it was clear the guest wanted to talk seriously. I’d be happy to listen to Miguel again if Bill or someone interviews him properly. I would start by pressing him on the geological sample. What was so special about that one sample, that one reversal? The time period? What was the rock type? Thin sections are normally somewhat time consuming to make, kind of surprised they’d make them on the ship but it’s certainly possible if they wanted fast results while still at sea. Any physical evidence needs to be properly discussed, preferably with another qualified geologist.
Another thing, is there really anything wrong with just getting to the point instead of making enigmatic innuendo statements like not man made and not natural? What are we talking about here? ETs meddling with our Sun, causing a solar event [what type of event?] that affects the magnetic field [how exactly] on Earth? How does this tie in with the emergence of dormant aliens? How can such a force be resisted (and about the 45-70 – really, you wouldn’t use that particular firearm if you were serious, would you?) if they have the power to physically change the entire planet? I may be asking too much, but Miguel did give the impression that he ‘knows’ far more than he was revealing. I’m reading between the lines now, so I’ll stop here.
P.S. I’m going to start another thread in the wikileaks subsection about an interesting topic, geology related. Just a little something that I uncovered recently after making an extensive search of the latest tranche of email leaks – it’s a different subject, and I’ll leave the dot connecting to others for now. Apologies for any hypocritical enigmatic overtones to this post-script :)
Edit: My wikileaks post is now here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62249-Pine-Gap-Reveal&p=714221#post714221
Bill Ryan
13th August 2013, 01:32
Bill, any chance you could pursue an interview with Miguel? After listening to the interview it seems Miguel might be full of interesting information.
I would love to hear more from him. And yes, this is one interview I'd love to do.
Miguel said he'd spoken with Mike Harris previously, and I'm guessing that he'd called into an earlier show. For anyone reading this who regularly listens to Mike Harris (or Gordon Duff), it would be MOST helpful if you could dig up any other shows where Miguel has been featured.
Ioneo
13th August 2013, 01:34
Maybe he is talking about this:
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ghostrider
13th August 2013, 01:38
I remember Bob Dean saying in 2014 we would be in for some tough times ...
Zephyr
13th August 2013, 01:47
I'm very appreciative that Bill brought this particular topic to the surface. I'm a loyal listener of Mike Harris' program and I've listened to this particular show featuring the caller named Miguel.
I think it's pretty safe to say that many of us feel that something huge is coming. This talk of Solar related issues frightens me to no end, too. I already feel somewhat helpless and I'm already envisioning a time of great strife and suffering if this all goes down as some have pointed out. I'm just a regular guy living in suburbia, mid-west, U.S.A. and although there have been many life challenges over my 41 years of existence, I don't think anything I've experienced along the way has prepared me for what's coming. My particular generation, for the most part, has had an easy go of life in general and I'm positive most people will be completely unable to cope with even a minor catastrophe.
What's sad is that for the most part I feel like I cannot talk to people about these issues because most people will think I'm insane or just another conspiracy theorist.
This is all a bit overwhelming, but I don't want to be blindsided by a disaster such as the one being discussed.
My question is how can one store water for long periods of time?
MariaDine
13th August 2013, 01:56
The only thing I know is that 2038 is an important date. That changes are coming and that we have to be «energetic« prepared to be of help for others. It is somewhat vague because of the «Collective» freewill.
Dennis Leahy
13th August 2013, 02:22
Not manmade & not natural...
Nuclear meltdowns are not under human control (by definition) and not really natural either.
Even though this is well known, no one has ever done anything about it: If there is a Carrington Event (or larger, whatever that might be called), that does take out the grid, all of the nuclear power plants in the world are vulnerable to melting down, because they only have enough diesel to power the cooling systems for a couple of weeks.
Of course, if that scenario is what happens, the (great-great-grandchildren) of the "survivors" won't be walking the face of the Earth - for a long, long time, unless they have a hidden way to deal with (neutralize) radiation.
Hey, Miguel, do a proper interview! (where the interviewer listens and doesn't interrupt.)
Dennis
northstar
13th August 2013, 02:34
When I hear doom and gloom reports of the looming apocalypse, I quickly connect the dots and I end up at: "how are me and my loved ones going to survive in this terrifying world?"
Far too many of us don't have the resources or ability to move to a safer area, buy a farm, set aside survival supplies, build an underground bunker and settle down.
I have family responsibilities. I have a job. I live in an apartment. I have done some basic prepping. I have a bit of food set aside. Last summer I started some herb and vegetable gardening in containers on my tiny balcony. It pleases me greatly that I am now officially a gardener! Obviously the yields I get from a few containers are not going to keep anyone alive but I am learning about soil, seeds, weeds, pests and harvesting. Not bad for someone who has spent their life eating fast food and packaged junk.
Recently I took the firearm course and I now have a license to purchase a firearm. I have decided to buy a 22 rifle and scope because it is the most I can practically handle. It is not much use for me to buy a firearm that has too great a kick or something that is too heavy for me to aim properly. I haven't been able to buy it yet because in Canada you also need to purchase safety gear so that purchase of the rifle, ammo, cabinet and scope is going to cost a lot.
My next purchase will be a portable water filter (I am trying to cover all the bases to the best of my ability: food, protection, water, etc) I don't use much medication but the few meds I do take I have been stockpiling lately. I figure it is good to have a few extra on hand just in case. I have been trying to lose weight and get in better shape. If our world becomes "tooth and claw" then a good level of physical fitness offers better survival chances.
So basically, I have done what I can and I am doing what I can in terms of physical preparation.
It seems to me however, that all humans have the ability to do spiritual preparation. My guides are telling me that while physical preparations provide a sense of psychological comfort that when the bad stuff hits here on earth that the focus of the game will shift to a higher vibrational dimension. The humans who are still embodied here on earth who are able to access and navigate that vibrational reality will have a huge survival advantage. I think there are "safe zones" or "grace zones" for people who are spiritually prepared to recognize them and act accordingly. Some might say this is just empty headed optimism or spiritual delusion on my part, but I don't think so. My travels in the inner worlds have given me a great deal of food for thought on this but that is for a different thread.
Freed Fox
13th August 2013, 02:37
This is why benevolent aliens DONT show up (overtly) yet. There is so much fear about aliens (which reinforces the illusion that we are physical and powerless) that we end up with some of us even trying to concoct alchemical bullets, with which to "fill them full of" if they ever do dare show!
Fear shoots first and asks questions later.
Anchor, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Let me just say, I have utmost respect for Bill, and his intelligence. The overall theme of survival skills and being prepared for global events which he champions could very well be extremely important. So, don't let my disagreement with this particular 'whistleblower's' message suggest to the contrary.
In addition to Anchor's message above, as well as the seeming fallacy (which Tesseract pointed out) that we stand any sort of chance (in any condition/circumstance) against a race which can alter the sun's activity or instigate catastrophic Earth changes, there are a few other things which don't sit quite right about this kind of scenario.
For example, unless these visitors have only recently arrived, there were thousands of chances to conquer mankind while our military technologies were in their infancy. Even 100 years or so ago, we would not have had any means to even remotely defend against invasion.
Furthermore, and this goes back to what Anchor said... We are all aware of the kinds of brainwashing which occurs at the hands of both world governments and the media. Manufactured crises, distractions, advertising, re-writing history, the list goes on. And yet, when it comes to aliens, the programming is virtually always fear-based. COUNTLESS movies and television programs depict humanity struggling against violent, oppressive invaders. Examples of positive depictions seem exceedingly rare. Personally, I can only think of a few (Avatar, E.T.), and incidentally none in which aliens reach out to save or even simply aid humanity... If something like this were impending upon us and the governments had some sort of involvement, would they not try much more vigorously to instill the programming of benevolent aliens?
Ron Mauer Sr
13th August 2013, 02:40
I'm just about to listen to the audio and I have to agree with Miguel, my concern also is protecting my family members. Living in Glasgow Scotland I'm not so sure if I am in a good place at all to survive any Earth changes. I don't have a basement or anything underground really but information like this is important because it gives us time to sort it what we are going to do if this situation occurs and it very well might occur.
For those who can, constructing a modest fallout shelter or root cellar may be a wise solution. So many designs are published on the web (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=homemade%20fallout%20shelters).
Ron Mauer Sr
13th August 2013, 02:54
My question is how can one store water for long periods of time?
Keep the water out of the sunlight to prevent growth of algae. I do not think there is any expiration date for clean water. If it is clean when stored it is good forever. The big problem is we need a lot of it. So plan accordingly and find a way to catch rain water if you are some distance away from a stream. Filter the water before it is stored.
Do not waste clean water in a flush toilet. Purchase or build a composting toilet or a sawdust toilet (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=216). Get a quality water filter (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178).
WhiteFeather
13th August 2013, 03:05
"Miguel (18:44): you know, I love it. I have a 45-70 because it’ll take down a grizzly bear, and it’ll take down a rhino, and it’ll take down anything bigger than a human being, that might not be a human being, that comes on the planet. But, it takes a special round to do that: you have to add copper, and a few other items to the actual bullet itself"
Copper Bullets do not defragment (break up into pieces) like lead does when hitting its target. This is why copper has a better takedown than lead. You can buy copper rounds from ammo manufacturers. Its much easier. Believe it or not copper rounds are better for the environment then are lead rounds. As an example The Condors were dying off from lead poisoning when they were eating the pray remains that hunters were shooting with lead rounds. Go Copper. Its safer for the environment and has a better takedown.
norman
13th August 2013, 03:05
My question is how can one store water for long periods of time?
Keep the water out of the sunlight to prevent growth of algae. I do not think there is any expiration date for clean water. If it is clean when stored it is good forever. The big problem is we need a lot of it. So plan accordingly and find a way to catch rain water if you are some distance away from a stream. Filter the water before it is stored.
Calculate how much water you will need. Do not waste it in a flush toilet. Purchase or build a composting toilet or a sawdust toilet (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=216). Get a quality water filter (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178).
In an emergency, even plastic bottles will suffice. Even the "chemicals" in most tap water will probably help to preserve it.
I think an old fashioned "tump" like the way people used to keep root vegetables and apples through a winter will be pretty good if you are intending to stay where you are. A tump ( well, that's what my parents called it ) is a carefully selected patch of dry and drained ground where you can dig it out slightly and place whatever you want to preserve in the middle and pile the soil up over it, with perhaps some straw insulation under the soil if you are expecting very cold sub freezing temperatures.
frozen alchemy
13th August 2013, 03:08
Criminy, that was the worst excuse for an interview I've ever heard. Background noise, useless silly interruptions, lack of followup questions when you've actually got an intelligent caller with what may be primary information on the line... Duff is an idiot.
Meanwhile, Miguel stated that he had bought a missile silo somewhere in Colorado. I presume there's not that many of them and his identity is now pretty much out there; and nothing he said was anything new that couldn't be gleaned from a few hours on sites such as this. At least that lady from last week gave definite dates...
While I'm willing to believe that the COG people and their minions have spent the last 40 or so years building DUMBs with limited admittance tickets just in case of a solar disaster of some sort, they don't seem to know when it will happen. It could be a reasonable guess based on prior solar behavior or something the remote viewers came up with but they're always saying that their information is subject to different time lines. And the other species that governments are supposedly talking to would have to have time travel and bothered to come back to 'warn' us (or at least some of us) with a lot of lead time, and for what purpose? To save the Dick Cheney's of the world?
I call it either another reasonably good hoaxer or a doomer looking for his fifteen minutes of fame. There's an awful darn lot of them lately.
MariaDine
13th August 2013, 03:10
It is said - lots of sources from different quadrants - that an area of South America ...more or less the area that is today Brasil ....is one of the areas that will welcome the new race (the others areas I haven't any information ). But that is still in the distant future...we will see two thousand years of changes before that comes to completion. Space travel, colonies and alien exchanges will be common place, much like it is divulge in science fiction tv series.
There are many studies about those apocalyptic changes...Change being the key word for the future generations........................................................
confused
13th August 2013, 03:24
In addition to Anchor's message above, as well as the seeming fallacy (which Tesseract pointed out) that we stand any sort of chance (in any condition/circumstance) against a race which can alter the sun's activity or instigate catastrophic Earth changes, there are a few other things which don't sit quite right about this kind of scenario.
For example, unless these visitors have only recently arrived, there were thousands of chances to conquer mankind while our military technologies were in their infancy. Even 100 years or so ago, we would not have had any means to even remotely defend against invasion.
I never post because, just like this, whenever I think of something I read further down and someone has already posted it. However I think this is really worth a highlight. My first thought, after my immediate panic, was exactly this. I'd like to also add the population difference. 100 years ago we were somewhere around 1.5 billion.
Harley
13th August 2013, 03:46
Hi Bill,
I have just now come upon your new thread and have only barely started reading your Opening Post when I came upon this statement:
[...] combined with food shortages that will make people want to be in the FEMA camps to be fed.
This is the reason I posted the thread FEMA Discreetly Inquiring About Immediate Delivery Of Emergency Survival Food (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61993-FEMA-Discreetly-Inquiring-About-Immediate-Delivery-Of-Emergency-Survival-Food) and what will be a primary goal.
I know I can be quite vague and cryptic at times but there's a lot at stake, especially now.
Edit to Add: This is where they want you to be and this is how they'll get you there.
ghostrider
13th August 2013, 03:49
I wonder if the next false flag to happen is a nuclear detonation in the United States , a surface burst broadcast live for the whole world to see just like 911 ... it would dump wall street, close the borders, mass panic, elite runs underground , people flock to fema camps for relief from contamination , zombie minded maniacs running around screaming jesus is coming, martial law , the russians and the chinese race in to help ,( when really they take over) both are communist which is what the obama white house wants for the U.S. - communisim ...sort of like close encounter of the third kind , the military wearing mask evacuating people for fear of radiation that is an illusion just to remove people from certain areas ... the ET false flag won't fly anymore but, a nuclear detonation, game changer ... bye bye normal ... I hope I'm wrong ... but if I can astral travel tonight , I'm going into the future and check it out ...back later gotta prep for OBE ...
MadMax1
13th August 2013, 03:52
This sounds oddly familier to an event that was predicted by another so called whistleblower whilst i realise that yes our magnetic pole is shifting and yes when it does happen the magnetic shield will be very weak or non existent for a time, it would not have to be a big solar flare to have an effect on our power grid and electronics. The sun has been very quite for the last few months and now all of a sudden we get 2 C class flares one after the other and the an M class flare late yesterday due to impact our magnetisphere late thursday. It should make for some great northern lights but it won't do much else unless the magnetic field is very weak or drops. On the other hand it does not hurt to have a supply of food and water that will last.
MariaDine
13th August 2013, 04:37
The Internet is ablaze by a ludicrous conspiracy theory that Edward Snowden, a former CIA agent, has predicted series of solar flares, set to occur in September of 2013, will kill hundreds of millions of people.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_11/Edward-Snowden-predicts-catastrophic-and-inevitable-solar-tsunami-8199/
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_11/Edward-Snowden-predicts-catastrophic-and-inevitable-solar-tsunami-8199/
SunSea
13th August 2013, 05:05
Oh Crap! We just finished with one Armageddon scenario and here is another one already....:(
Mark
13th August 2013, 05:57
This is where we are currently:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0807/Sun-s-magnetic-reversal-means-big-changes-for-the-solar-system-video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fll6rscmdE4
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/21110
... NASA warns that the whole of the sun's magnetic field is about ready to "flip", with warning signs having already been spotted by observatories around the world this year. The flip occurs ever 11 years, and coincides with the great solar activity in the "cycles" of the sun, which is known as the "solar maximum", with sunspots and coronal mass ejections on the surface of the sun.
So no big deal, it happens every 11 years, right?
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Looming_weak_solar_max_may_herald_frosty_times_999 .html
... Possible explanations for the sun's latest odd behavior were discussed last month at a meeting of the Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division. Scientists agree that Cycle 24 is already among the weakest reported.
"Not only is this the smallest cycle we've seen in the space age, it's the smallest cycle in 100 years," NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center research scientist David Hathaway said.
Some more radical explanations sound quite alarming. Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory says the strength of magnetic field in sunspots in waning, and the sunspot cycle may disappear altogether.
"If this trend continues, there will be almost no spots in Cycle 25, and we might be going into another Maunder Minimum," he said.
Maunder Minimum is a period between about 1645 and 1715, in which sunspots became extremely rare. In fact some 18th century astronomers believed sunspots to be a myth. The period coincides with the so-called Little Ice Age, a time when the climate became cold enough for the River Thames in London to freeze in winter. On the gloomier side, the colder summers and harsh winters sealed the fate of the Viking colonies in Greenland, as its population starved and died out.
While there is no certainty that the Little Ice Age was caused primarily by the decreased solar activity, a link does exist. If the next solar cycles are even quieter that the current one, and a cooling takes place, it may counteract the global warming trend over the next few decades.
What I get from all this is the nothing is currently normal. And the future is a mystery.
cursichella1
13th August 2013, 06:00
We can probably find the other Miguel call-in show archive by contacting Mike Harris directly at http://mikeharris.us/contact/. Mike was on Kerry's radio show Fri so I imagine she has a less generic means of contacting him. I can write to him, but I'm guessing Bill would get a more immediate response?
778 neighbour of some guy
13th August 2013, 07:44
My next purchase will be a portable water filter (I am trying to cover all the bases to the best of my ability: food, protection, water, etc) I don't use much medication but the few meds I do take I have been stockpiling lately. I figure it is good to have a few extra on hand just in case. I have been trying to lose weight and get in better shape. If our world becomes "tooth and claw" then a good level of physical fitness offers better survival chances.
Check out the Sawyer water filters, best capacity, best filtration, best price, best weight, best portability( filters a million gallons), buy dried legumes, you can sprout them and wont need a garden, just a container and water and they contain the most nutrients and dried stuff ( beans, seeds, lentils, grains) are usually the cheapest, buy a pack each of them and see if they sprout( this whole testing deal should cost you no more than max 20 bucks and you will gain a world of knowledge, you can eat sprouts raw, cold, in salads, or just toss them in with some hot water and a stock cube( stock cubes are cheap too), you can cook in a good thermos bottle if you wish too to conserve on fuel. MMS and good vitamins are a VERY good way to take care of most stuff. Being somewhat fit is always a good thing, you are all you have got and that's what you need to be there for others as well.
Short video I made about the Sawyer squeeze, it has two open end that can get dirt in them I show you how to fix that in under two minutes, its in Dutch but just do as I did and you will be fine, no translation needed.
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Small emergency stove and some gas cannisters, about fourty bucks altogether, when you play it smart and use it for bringing things to a boil and transfer to a good thermos bottle you can cook in the bottle, for about three months with that small amount of gas. ( in a real emergency you have to ration things, since you have no clue about the duration of the emergency)
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Small example of what's in the cupboards in my tiny well stocked house.( food is better than gold)
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Home made superfood caps made by myself, chorella, spirulina, wheatgrass, barleygrass, maca and then some, makes your food stash last a bit longer.
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araucaria
13th August 2013, 07:52
This is where we are currently:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0807/Sun-s-magnetic-reversal-means-big-changes-for-the-solar-system-video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fll6rscmdE4
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/21110
... NASA warns that the whole of the sun's magnetic field is about ready to "flip", with warning signs having already been spotted by observatories around the world this year. The flip occurs ever 11 years, and coincides with the great solar activity in the "cycles" of the sun, which is known as the "solar maximum", with sunspots and coronal mass ejections on the surface of the sun.
So no big deal, it happens every 11 years, right?
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Looming_weak_solar_max_may_herald_frosty_times_999 .html
... Possible explanations for the sun's latest odd behavior were discussed last month at a meeting of the Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division. Scientists agree that Cycle 24 is already among the weakest reported.
"Not only is this the smallest cycle we've seen in the space age, it's the smallest cycle in 100 years," NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center research scientist David Hathaway said.
Some more radical explanations sound quite alarming. Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory says the strength of magnetic field in sunspots in waning, and the sunspot cycle may disappear altogether.
"If this trend continues, there will be almost no spots in Cycle 25, and we might be going into another Maunder Minimum," he said.
Maunder Minimum is a period between about 1645 and 1715, in which sunspots became extremely rare. In fact some 18th century astronomers believed sunspots to be a myth. The period coincides with the so-called Little Ice Age, a time when the climate became cold enough for the River Thames in London to freeze in winter. On the gloomier side, the colder summers and harsh winters sealed the fate of the Viking colonies in Greenland, as its population starved and died out.
While there is no certainty that the Little Ice Age was caused primarily by the decreased solar activity, a link does exist. If the next solar cycles are even quieter that the current one, and a cooling takes place, it may counteract the global warming trend over the next few decades.
What I get from all this is the nothing is currently normal. And the future is a mystery.
Rakhyt, your data suggests that we may be in for something similar to a hundred years ago, or three hundred years ago, no more than that. So far then, there is little cause for concern (been there, done that) except for the techie age's ability or otherwise to make this relatively minor adjustment.
The thing is, the idea of "normal" is pretty meaningless. And when the graph moves up or down, we tend to extrapolate up or down, when "normally" it eventually goes the other way. The 58 solar maximum was so huge that I imagine had they seen it coming they would have been worried for everyone, while subsequent maxima, though still huge, gradually tailed off all the way to the point we have now reached. If normal does mean anything, the expected thing would be for this situation to bottom out at some stage and move up again.
"The future is a mystery", you say. Not for Bill's insiders, who have been saying for years that solar damage was in the pipeline. I am wondering exactly how they know this. We know ways that don't work. Courtney Brown's remote viewing was in his own eyes a success, but the widespread flooding forecast by June 1st of this year did not materialize on this timeline. And of course Patrick Geryl's Carrington event for 21.12.12 based on planetary alignments also failed to eventuate.
It appears that solar activity reflects what goes on here on Earth: according to Michael Pasischnyk, it follows movements on Wall St. And solar activity can be used to track the rise and fall of civilizations. This being so, clearly the one way to avoid the wrath of the Sun is for us to start behaving ourselves bigtime. This task is now well in hand, and as it proceeds, one would expect the dire forecasts to be increasingly over the top.
Ultima Thule
13th August 2013, 09:45
How to distinguish between what Miguel predicts as unavoidable and it being an option among other possible scenarios of which nothing is yet set to happen?
How to distinguish between Miguel blowing the whistle to help and blowing the whistle with the aim to make people feel helpless and powerless in the face of the unavoidable, thus participating in the conscious creation of the very event?
How to distinguish between Miguel or any other REAL whistleblower for that matter doing
a. whistle blowing in secrecy from their superiors with the purpose to help humanity to gain their power to choose
b. whistle blowing with their superiors secretly letting them get away with it, with the purpose to help humanity
c. whistle blowing with their superiors secretly letting them get away with it, with the purpose to manipulate humanity into giving up on their power to choose, thus accepting the unavoidable "bad thing" - whistle blowing deliberately biased information in essence
d. whistle blowing in co-operation with their superiors with the purpose to manipulate
e. the list goes on and on
I absolutely agree with Bill that this information is necessary to air and at the same time I suppose that the best we can do is not echo the information too much and reserve the right to at least aim to choose a different outcome, even though by choosing different outcome, one might end up in the minority and still end up buggered - having still made an effort not knowing the outcome, which is commendable.
Sorry folks, just thinking out loud here.
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UT
EYES WIDE OPEN
13th August 2013, 10:13
Short of covering myself in sunblock and then walking around in a cardboard tube covered with foil and making myself a walking faraday cage, for those of us who cant get underground, what can we do?
Anchor
13th August 2013, 10:22
I hope that no-one read my post as a suggestion that being prepared in whatever manner you see fit is not important. It most certainly is important to prepare for what you think you need to prepare for; and the degree to which this is necessary is going to be different for everyone.
I think radio shows like the one highlighted in this thread are interesting as they portray the movement of the chess pieces in the game, but my sense is that a lot of this is staged drama - we know the modus-operandi of these guys - they are pro's at the fear game because it is a necessary condition of staying in that game.
What I am always trying to emphasize is that it is important not to do this preparation from a place of fear, but from a place of practicality - in the same way that a farmer would store extra feed for a long winter.
I myself have moved rural and have created for myself a living environment that is as close to zombie apocalypse resistant as I could make it :)
Benevolent ET could visit my farm any time now, but they probably won't because my neighbors have guns and I suspect only a little knowledge about these things - mostly from the usual sources that are laced with psyops crafted fears, uncertainties and doubts.
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Short of covering myself in sunblock and then walking around in a cardboard tube covered with foil and making myself a walking faraday cage, for those of us who cant get underground, what can we do?
Please please please do this immediately, take a selfie and post it.
ThePythonicCow
13th August 2013, 10:38
Now, we’ve all heard about the magnetic changes and in our history about pole shifts, and magnetic flips. This was the most premier geologist in the world at the time and he was so fearful that he had to come out, and I was the first person that he could grab to show what he had, the thin slide of the rock, in black light to show the magnetic reversal of the iron ore.
But he was so fearful of what he was seeing, and what I'm trying to say to you is forget the aliens so much, forget politics so much, really understand that what is important is far greater — and that’s survival.
Here's a bizarre (by most sensibilities) alternative theory of earth magnetic field shifts that I find rather intriguing: http://www.science27.com/earth/, by Bjarne Lorenzen. His English is poor, and his work needs some basic editing for syntax and spelling, but his ideas are definitely "out of the box", if you enjoy that sort of thing.
Basically, he concludes that, now with the magnetic north pole just entering the Arctic Ocean area, leaving the northern Canada area where it has been wandering around for the several centuries, the magnetic pole is about to strengthen and slow down its motion, rather than the opposite as predicted by main stream science. He proposes that the earth's magnetic field is not caused by some dynamo effect from the earth's core, but by sympathetic reinforcement of the surrounding solar system magnetic field, which for any piece of magnetizable rock, will be frozen in place as of the last time that particular piece of rock froze.
Here's a map of the north pole position, over the last few centuries:
http://thepythoniccow.us/map_magnetic_north_pole_movement.jpg
Conchis
13th August 2013, 10:48
For those that get Coast to Coast. It appears that part of last night's broadcast is a conversation with a Dr. Schoch who studies solar activity and he says that on his visit to Easter Island, it appears that the natives lived in caves from time to time because of solar activity in the past. I'm not sure that this ties it, but maybe.
Bubu
13th August 2013, 11:22
How to distinguish between what Miguel predicts as unavoidable and it being an option among other possible scenarios of which nothing is yet set to happen?
How to distinguish between Miguel blowing the whistle to help and blowing the whistle with the aim to make people feel helpless and powerless in the face of the unavoidable, thus participating in the conscious creation of the very event?
How to distinguish between Miguel or any other REAL whistleblower for that matter doing
a. whistle blowing in secrecy from their superiors with the purpose to help humanity to gain their power to choose
b. whistle blowing with their superiors secretly letting them get away with it, with the purpose to help humanity
c. whistle blowing with their superiors secretly letting them get away with it, with the purpose to manipulate humanity into giving up on their power to choose, thus accepting the unavoidable "bad thing" - whistle blowing deliberately biased information in essence
d. whistle blowing in co-operation with their superiors with the purpose to manipulate
e. the list goes on and on
I absolutely agree with Bill that this information is necessary to air and at the same time I suppose that the best we can do is not echo the information too much and reserve the right to at least aim to choose a different outcome, even though by choosing different outcome, one might end up in the minority and still end up buggered - having still made an effort not knowing the outcome, which is commendable.
Sorry folks, just thinking out loud here.
:focus:
UT
Good points UT They needed our powers to create the situation.
He can not reveal any info about the tunnels because he will not be able to say it tomorrow. But admitted that he was the chief engineer. well anyway the frequency and wave characteristic of his voice is enough to ID him. I hope he live until tomorrow.
I love survival it's a child's play to me. This ones however is a fear porn to me. Although not intentional..........
DNA
13th August 2013, 11:32
Seems they might know each other Miguel and Duff, Duff wasn't properly listening, his interuptions were inappropriate, dismissive even. Also there was a certain amount of 'insider' banter which they glossed over somewhat.
I agree with most of what you stated , especially this part. Miguel wasted a lot of time for someone with a buttload of information to give. At times I agree he seemed to be more interested in the ego stroking of Miguel than getting any information out. People with real knowledge tend to get it out rather than meander all over the place.
Miguel also seemed more interersted in giving a monologue than having a dialogue.
I will do my best to be prepared but I will not live in fear.
As far as preparations are concerned, does anyone have any idea what depth one would need to be in order to ride this out?
How about solid concrete structures?
How about underground parking structures with rebarb in the concrete?
Most of us won't have access to a freaking cave with supplies, but if one were able to take a vehicle laden with food and water to an underground parking structure, especially one that is not often used, would this suffice?
earthadvocate
13th August 2013, 11:35
If you go to revmichellehopkins channel she describe our the PTB are tempering with our sun with lasers, it seems incredible but she explains very well how this is done.
SilentFeathers
13th August 2013, 12:01
There sure seems to be a lot of "whistle-blowers" coming on the scene recently. All one needs to do is call a radio show with captivating claims or write and interesting blog claiming they have inside information and they are labeled a "whistle-blower".
This Miguel's important message IMO is that we worry about too much and spend too much valuable time wasting it on chasing the dragon to no where so to speak.
Regardless of what catastrophe happens folks, it's really the likely results of that catastrophe that will be the issue. Regardless if it's a Carrington event, asteroid strike, pole shift, planetX, etc etc....the results will be no matter what happens, chaos, many casualties and deaths, famine, disease etc etc.....it's not about what might happen so much as to how are you to survive after it. It's not the event itself that's likely to be of most concern, but the results after it....and the biggest danger most likely will be ourselves, how we cope and treat each other.
Example: if all the nuclear reactors go down due to a solar flare disaster/grid shut down, more people will likely die by the hands of another human before the actual radiation poisoning kills them. Think about WW2 and all those people caught right in the middle of that mess, and times that by 50 or 100, what would you do?
The most likely catastrophic event that might happen will most likely be something that we do to each other (man-made catastrophe)..... a pole shift, solar disaster, asteroid strike (natural event) could actually be a blessing in disguise and distract us from a path of self destruction an on to a path of survival instead.
Bubu
13th August 2013, 12:07
never mind politics never mind alien just save yourselves and never mind others. never mind trying to come together and unite your forces because this is where your true powers is.
divide and rule?
subtle hypnosis?
Bill Ryan
13th August 2013, 12:07
The Internet is ablaze by a ludicrous conspiracy theory that Edward Snowden, a former CIA agent, has predicted series of solar flares, set to occur in September of 2013, will kill hundreds of millions of people.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_11/Edward-Snowden-predicts-catastrophic-and-inevitable-solar-tsunami-8199/
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_11/Edward-Snowden-predicts-catastrophic-and-inevitable-solar-tsunami-8199/
Those can be disregarded. The reports were invented and were posted on a a satirical site, and thousands of people took it all seriously.
Gardener
13th August 2013, 12:17
DNA---->I will do my best to be prepared but I will not live in fear. Exactly!
Do the people on the Sanandreas fault line or the Madrid fault live in fear? I don't know I guess its at the back of their mind somewhere.
Preparation for food and water shortage for whatever reason, is NEVER a bad idea. Dried pulses, seeds, pasta, porridge oats, honey, asstd vitamins and minerals, and a supply of water or filtration.
Hiding in bunkers etc is an option not open to many and the possiblity of earth movements techtonic plate disturbance may ultimately have a great cost to those people underground or in caves. Even a dugout can fill with water.
Attitude is an important ingredient when faced with the possibility of an incomming threat, or one already here, and I stress possibility. We are hard wired to survive so knee jerk reactions happen when under threat, whether it is is on the global macro scale or the personal micro scale. The monolith knows this and the more we are kept in this primitive state the more control they have.
To remember the stillness the light which powers our being every single day when we awaken from sleep, is, for me the core issue now. I fail regularly especially on small matters. I am reminded of that saying of the gospels 'Most of a mans enemies are under his own roof' (paraphrased) I think that includes inside our being. If attention is continuously directed to 'out there' we have less and less time to spend on the inner; the monolith, the dark satelite of evil knows this.
RMorgan
13th August 2013, 12:51
Hey folks,
Well, we´ve seen it before many times right? People are always, and I mean ALWAYS, warning about an imminent catastrophe.
Regarding probabilities, it´s most probable that this caller is nothing more but an excited survivalist/prepper or a paranoid schizoid.
Have in mind that his story is not at all above the level where it could have been created by literally anyone. In fact, I believe some of us, who are constantly dealing with crazy conspiracy theories, could come up with a much more dramatic, complex and believable story.
So, in my opinion, this is just another guy telling a story, motivated by whatever motivates him.
Bill, my friend, since preparing is part of your daily routine for quite some time, I believe you may be falling for confirmatory bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias). You know, you really believe a hard rain's a-gonna fall very soon and you really feel attracted to information that confirms your beliefs, but most of the times you overate those pieces of information. Don´t take this critique as an offense, because you know I absolutely respect you...It´s just something to think about.
Anyway, it´s always wise to be prepared but most probably we all will be here talking about the same issues five or ten years from now.
Raf.
Bill Ryan
13th August 2013, 13:06
for those of us who cant get underground, what can we do?
One idea, for those with construction skills, is to build (or adapt) a house like this. A basement/cellar going into the hillside would work very well..
Even in the absence of any solar events (or very high winds!), it'd be a useful resource. You can store your wine in there! :)
http://projectavalon.net/house_plan.gif
I do understand that many reading this will not be in that position. But the point is that (as Miguel points out) we don't have to hole up in a big secret city two miles underground. A few feet, or a meter or two, might be just fine.
SilentFeathers
13th August 2013, 13:23
Hey folks,
Well, we´ve seen it before many times right? People are always, and I mean ALWAYS, warning about an imminent catastrophe.
Regarding probabilities, it´s most probable that this caller is nothing more but an excited survivalist/prepper or a paranoid schizoid.
Have in mind that his story is not at all above the level where it could have been created by literally anyone. In fact, I believe some of us, who are constantly dealing with crazy conspiracy theories, could come up with a much more dramatic, complex and believable story.
So, in my opinion, this is just another guy telling a story, motivated by whatever motivates him.
Bill, my friend, since preparing is part of your daily routine for quite some time, I believe you may be falling for confirmatory bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias). You know, you really believe a hard rain's a-gonna fall very soon and you really feel attracted to information that confirms your beliefs, but most of the times you overate those pieces of information. Don´t take this critique as an offense, because you know I absolutely respect you...It´s just something to think about.
Anyway, it´s always wise to be prepared but most probably we all will be here talking about the same issues five or ten years from now.
Raf.
I agree Raf with you about this caller. all these seemingly crazy claims are possible, but the bigger threats are human behaviors, actions, and downright betrayals, not to mention war, famine, and disease outbreaks/events.
Not to mention the global financial house of cards is rocking back and forth about to topple.
Its more likely for a huge false flag event to happen so "they" can shove more draconian legislation down our throats than a small solar system passing between the Earth and Sun next weekend. Another Fukushima type event is more likely than ET's landing and eating a few people because they are lost and hungry. Another very gruesome war breaking out is more likely than a solar flare hitting Earth and killing everyone but 500 million.
The USA is actually at war with Russia and China right now for goodness sakes, a proxy war somewhat contained in Syria for the moment, but a war none the less. This could spiral out of control at any moment, but most people are more concerned about their next text message or football season. These little proxy wars are actually spread across the globe right now.....big players using other useless eaters to kill for them.
It's what we are living in and experiencing right now to pay attention to, that I'm watching closely.....and if sometime in the future an anomaly appears in the heavens to see, well, I'll be watching that to.
As for Bill, I just think he may be on information overload! and has a strange way that he goes through the process of elimination. :) (HI Bill)
Eagle Eye
13th August 2013, 13:31
If this life is all about survivor than we haven't understood a damn thing of what life it is. It's not about how long we live that will save us, but how we live. Does anyone care what are our responsability on this planet, what will be our sacrifices to be united, how to take back the power and free ourselves, but... yeah we forgot those things, now its important to save our a..
You can go and hide underground , its your choice and perhaps you will live more than others, but whats the point. If most of us will be gone how this would benefit those underground.
Anyway good luck
Prodigal Son
13th August 2013, 13:33
I dunno... if there is going to be this solar event that wipes out 90% of the human race, what were those giant ships doing around the sun recently? Why have ET's been disabling nukes for decades? Do they want to preserve us as slaves for the big human sacrifice of 7.5 billion plus like the Xenu event? Or, are the Parasites That Be being allowed to do so much but are on a leash where they won't be allowed to destroy the planet?
I can't help but think of that verse in Revelation where the Creator brings to ruin those ruining the earth... I don't think the priests made that one up....
My intuition tells me there's a God up there who is ready to evolve with us to the next level. We've destroyed this planet far too many times already and its time to break the cycle of misery and reclaim what is ours from these psychopaths.... just sayin. :)
Ron Mauer Sr
13th August 2013, 13:44
If this life is all about survivor than we haven't understood a damn thing of what life it is. It's not about how long we live that will save us, but how we live. Does anyone care what are our responsability on this planet, what will be our sacrifices to be united, how to take back the power and free ourselves, but... yeah we forgot those things, now its important to save our a..
You can go and hide underground , its your choice and perhaps you will live more than others, but whats the point. If most of us will be gone how this would benefit those underground.
Anyway good luck
For me, preparation is about maintaining a reasonable level of comfort when things go bad. And if things get too bad, I want a quick and easy exit plan. Go on to the next adventure.
About those without water food and shelter:
They become easy targets for manipulation (Water and food for your child if you give up your freedom.)
Death can be slow and painful.
Helping others is more easily achieved when the helper has something to give.
Bill Ryan
13th August 2013, 13:47
Hey folks,
Well, we´ve seen it before many times right? People are always, and I mean ALWAYS, warning about an imminent catastrophe.
Raf, Hi!
I know what you mean. But there's another interpretation as well: that maybe there's no smoke without fire.
The underground bases are real. Why are they there?
Why did Henry Deacon tell us (as he did) that the future of the human race might depend on the secret space program?
Why were George Green, and many others, told that the insiders had all been promised their 'tickets', and that this was what kept them all from talking?
Why did the Norwegian Politician (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3342-Was-the-2012-letter-from-the-Norwegian-politician-by-Illuminatis-dark-man-in-Norway) (his name was Khaqan Khan, btw, of Pakistani descent) tell us that the undergound bases in Norway were real, that he had visited them personally, that they contained ET technology, and that they were in preparation for a major event?
What have the benevolent ETs been trying to warn so many contactees and abductees about, without breaking non-interference protocols?
Here's the extreme hypothesis: even more way out than my "Ultimate Hypothesis", posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
Kindred
13th August 2013, 13:50
If this life is all about survivor than we haven't understood a damn thing of what life it is. It's not about how long we live that will save us, but how we live. Does anyone care what are our responsability on this planet, what will be our sacrifices to be united, how to take back the power and free ourselves, but... yeah we forgot those things, now its important to save our a..
You can go and hide underground , its your choice and perhaps you will live more than others, but whats the point. If most of us will be gone how this would benefit those underground.
Anyway good luck
I concur...
Each of us is ETERNAL... it's just that our 'body' isn't. It is merely 'camoflage', as Seth puts it. I have NO fear of 'death'... it is simply an Opportunity to Begin a New Experience. I'm looking forward to that Opportunity, when it comes, for I am Eternal.
In Unity, Peace and Love
Tony
13th August 2013, 13:51
What a way to live...?
Sunny-side-up
13th August 2013, 13:57
Back in the 80's I was in same position as now in regards to my view of the world. I sold up and was going to go off grid back then.
My Idea was to by a cheep small holding in wales, a tractor with digger arm, and by a large caravan or small pre-built portable home and place it over buried Container units welded together to form an underground home 2 levels deep.
DANG and FU## do I wish I had done that :(
I've no way to do anything like that now.
I live in a Housing Group associations bungalow with now permission to go digging a bunker :(
But if you have any means like above it would be a quick solution with containers etc go for it and good luck...
Bill;
It would be a comfort more than a actual help but I wish we all had an
'official Avalon ID patch'
to wear on our main jacket or cap etc, so in the event of a major brake down and we all end up as wonders we might one day bump into a fellow member! and talk conspiracy theories again Haha
Serious tho, an aid to reform with friends and like minds again..
But It dose seem like many events are going to hit us, man made PTB/NWO natural sun cycle of heavy effect and or this second Sun object (LiL Mean Browny) which maybe showing it's self again in 2-5 years!
PS I have no fear of Death, never have had but the prospects of becoming a survivor as a food supply well that's a worries ha. I will not take my own life because I bereave we have to pass over at the hands of fate in that regards, I will release those face being a food stock though!
thunder24
13th August 2013, 14:00
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
Sirius question... Are you under the impression that the controllers are on earth? If not who would they have "sold" it too?
I got the impression that the Demi-gods were the "management" team.... managers aren't owners....usually.
This grand game of "chess" surely is multi-tiered. Its hard to see it as simply they "sold the planet" versus "they" know the cycles of the cosmos and have been pre-pairing for this moment... just some thoughts...not that I believe it....lol
what do you think?
peace
WhiteFeather
13th August 2013, 14:13
And if all else should fail us.
Plan B.
The Laws of Thermodynamics - This states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed. However, energy can change forms, and energy can flow from one place to another. The total energy of an isolated system remains the same.
Dennis Leahy
13th August 2013, 14:16
never mind politics never mind alien just save yourselves and never mind others. never mind trying to come together and unite your forces because this is where your true powers is.
divide and rule?
subtle hypnosis?
I was going to post something similar.
(This could be a false dichotomy, but) it seems to me there are basically two major outcome possibilities of the current reality that 7.x billion people are ruled/controlled by a small, powerful cluster of human monsters (who happen to be insane, ecocidal, blind with greed-lust, sociopaths):
Outcome 1: The monsters stay in control
Outcome 2: Enough of the masses unite that it becomes possible to take the control away, and humanity finally gains control of our own destiny
I don't believe there is any panacea for outcome 2 to happen, but that it requires being united. I believe TMTB (the monsters that be) know that the only thing that could take their power is a tipping point number of individuals uniting and being focused on gaining control. That's the last thing TMTB want, and any time I get a message that "uniting is not important", I believe that message is coming either directly from or filtering down from TMTB.
Yes, if we are organizing into a united group while standing on a set of train tracks, when someone shouts "TRAIN!", we had better move. But then, get back to our focus. If there really is a solar event or condition that will fry anyone who is not 6 feet under (pun intended), then most of us will die, most plant and animal species will die, and I wouldn't want to walk on the planet again for several thousand years - or more. Don't give me a ticket to the DUMBs - I'll tear it up.
In the meantime, I'll keep working on uniting us so we can gain control over our lives and our destiny. The last think I want to do is to have the outcome of humanity's destiny remaining in the hands of miscreants that have proven to be malignant monsters.
Dennis
araucaria
13th August 2013, 14:18
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
Hi Bill
This may well be. But here in France we have a two-tiered system, whereby you first sign a compromis de vente, a promise to buy/sell, pending verification of all the administrative details (not a cooling-off period). If someone turned up to prove that the sellers were not the rightful owners or otherwise empowered to make the sale, then the whole thing would be called off as being null and void. The notary is the neutral official tasked with ensuring that such mistakes do not happen.
I would suggest that the planet’s rightful owners are being warned of the attempted sale in time for it to be aborted and the miscreants dealt with.
Also in France, we have a big scandal over the Loreal heiress’s fortune and how it is being spent by others now accused of “abus de faiblesse”, abuse of weakness, in this case because of Liliane Bettencourt’s advanced years. The same would hold in the case of a juvenile.
We have to believe in a justice system that protects the interests of planetary juveniles until they come of age, which is about now.
778 neighbour of some guy
13th August 2013, 14:29
I would suggest that the planet’s rightful owners are being warned of the attempted sale in time for it to be aborted and the miscreants dealt with.
This is rather interesting to me actually, since we, the human race, appear to be the last ones to have "arrived" on this blue ball, I mean evolution wise, that makes WHO exactly the rightful owners of the planet?
And if this THEORY would be true ( being sold off), what would the payment have been?
It would just crack me up if the ET/ED equivalent of money would be just as worthless as ours ( but they just happened to forget to tell that to us, damn broke @ss aliens).
Bill Ryan
13th August 2013, 14:32
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
Hi Bill
This may well be. But here in France we have a two-tiered system, whereby you first sign a compromis de vente, a promise to buy/sell, pending verification of all the administrative details (not a cooling-off period). If someone turned up to prove that the sellers were not the rightful owners or otherwise empowered to make the sale, then the whole thing would be called off as being null and void. The notary is the neutral official tasked with ensuring that such mistakes do not happen.
I would suggest that the planet’s rightful owners are being warned of the attempted sale in time for it to be aborted and the miscreants dealt with.
There may be a complex situation. Just swinging out here, maybe the real 'ownership' of the planet has been in dispute for a long time. That longstanding dispute might have been settled by the controllers agreeing to hand over the planet on condition that they are given advanced technology and all the means to relocate comfortably elsewhere -- leaving the sinking ship, as it were.
Part of the contract night have been to hand over several billion human beings, 'softened up' both mentally and physically/bodily in specified ways. That might include covert genetic changes, and maybe also a guarantee of reduction in population numbers.
Some of the environmental changes might be beneficial to the new owners. Harmful to the billions of humans? They would not care. And the elite may not be here much longer, anyway. There may be real estate allotted to them in an entirely different star system. They hand us over as... 'slaves and food' (to quote Miguel).
The controllers win (they believe). The non-humans win -- whoever they are. The human race loses. The ultimate SciFi disaster movie -- except that (presumably) Hollywood would engineer a deus ex machina to save the day.
And that may well be possible... or else (as I've said many times) most of us reading this would not have incarnated here this lifetime. No purpose or value in choosing to play a totally rigged game, with no prospect of success.
That would mean there IS a way to win through. And in order to solve a problem, we have to know what the problem is!
ulli
13th August 2013, 14:48
All this reminds me of the J. G. Ballard novel "The Wind from Nowhere"...
and the more someone efforts at surviving the least likely they are at actually doing so.
In my view these people who work at "insider jobs" are of a particular personality type...
SilentFeathers
13th August 2013, 14:48
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
Or perhaps one small group of people, possibly one family, claiming they themselves own the planet and everything on it (including all humans/life forms) and that nothing is for sale to anyone, not even a grain of dust, the air, water etc., can be owned by another....and if anyone is in disagreement with this psychopathic family about this they will surly be eliminated. Nothing is for sale according to this sick family and everyone must pay just to be born here and use their stuff... to breathe their air.
This psychopathic family is drunk with power and go on to claim the moon and sun as their property also.....the solar system and beyond is theirs too.
This psychopathic family hides behind the mask of being aliens or god like entities to create fear and to give them a false sense of power/strength, because if the masses actually learn that they are just human they lose their cloak of protection and become vulnerable and at risk of losing their ownership and control of everything.
Calz
13th August 2013, 14:54
Agreed.
Case in point ... patent on DNA??? :shocked:
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/patent-your-dna-what-supreme-court-ruling-means-you-6C10261058
Laws (or at least taxes) about gathering *rain water*???
Could go on forever but no doubt most here are aware ...
araucaria
13th August 2013, 14:56
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
Hi Bill
This may well be. But here in France we have a two-tiered system, whereby you first sign a compromis de vente, a promise to buy/sell, pending verification of all the administrative details (not a cooling-off period). If someone turned up to prove that the sellers were not the rightful owners or otherwise empowered to make the sale, then the whole thing would be called off as being null and void. The notary is the neutral official tasked with ensuring that such mistakes do not happen.
I would suggest that the planet’s rightful owners are being warned of the attempted sale in time for it to be aborted and the miscreants dealt with.
There may be a complex situation. Just swinging out here, maybe the real 'ownership' of the planet has been in dispute for a long time. That longstanding dispute might have been settled by the controllers agreeing to hand over the planet on condition that they are given advanced technology and all the means to relocate comfortably elsewhere -- leaving the sinking ship, as it were.
Part of the contract night have been to hand over several billion human beings, 'softened up' both mentally and physically/bodily in specified ways. That might include covert genetic changes, and maybe also a guarantee of reduction in population numbers.
Some of the environmental changes might be beneficial to the new owners. Harmful to the billions of humans? They would not care. And the elite may not be here much longer, anyway. There may be real estate allotted to them in an entirely different star system. They hand us over as... 'slaves and food' (to quote Miguel).
The controllers win (they believe). The non-humans win -- whoever they are. The human race loses. The ultimate SciFi disaster movie -- except that (presumably) Hollywood would engineer a deus ex machina to save the day.
And that may well be possible... or else (as I've said many times) most of us reading this would not have incarnated here this lifetime. No purpose or value in choosing to play a totally rigged game, with no prospect of success.
That would mean there IS a way to win through. And in order to solve a problem, we have to know what the problem is!
Thanks Bill, but the situation you describe is rather less complex inasmuch as it misses out the middleman, the honest broker, the policeman, call him what you will.
I don't think carting off billions of humans and relocating in another star system is an acceptable or viable solution given the potential scale of the problem, if we are dealing with some kind of galactic mafia. I got the impression something more radical was needed this time. Moving controllers from planet Earth to planet XYZ would be great for earthlings, but in the bigger picture, it is just musical chairs with the same number of chairs, and solves nothing. Having a prison planet wherever it is is affecting everyone.
But maybe that is the way it is.
Cristian
13th August 2013, 14:57
No purpose or value in choosing to play a totally rigged game, with no prospect of success.
That would mean there IS a way to win through.
"You're not alone, you know. What you were, and what you are to become, will always be with you."
scott12133
13th August 2013, 19:37
To me it all fits prefect as a puzzle,you can see it.I'll die trying to live and when I come back I hope the world is a service to others place.
Poly Hedra
13th August 2013, 20:18
Well I'm just about making it through the week with my wages and I have chosen not to physically prepare but there is one thing us humans are amazing at and that's survival. It is in-built and every one of us will fight to the bitter end in any situation to stay alive. So I would have to agree that it matters not what the catastrophe is but how we survive, live, help others, unite with others and survive. Hold on tight.
The Chinese curse comes to mind
"May you live in interesting times!"
TODD & NORA
13th August 2013, 21:28
..........
LahTera
13th August 2013, 21:47
I was just reading an article this past weekend about cycles of the earth and sun. Perhaps it has something to do with your topic. I posted this on Facebook:
The Mayans seem to have had this figured out long before we did. And according to their calendar, what everyone was calling a Doom's Day for December, 2012, was actually the end of one of these ages.
"The explanation for the cyclical alternation of ice and warm periods stems from Serbian mathematician Milutin Milankovitch (1879-1958), who calculated the changes in Earth's orbit and the resulting insolation on Earth, thus becoming the first to describe that the cyclical changes in insolation are the result of an overlapping of a whole series of cycles: the tilt of Earth's axis fluctuates by around two degrees in a 41,000-year cycle. Moreover, Earth's axis gyrates in a cycle of 26,000 years, much like a spinning top. Finally, Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun changes in a cycle of around 100,000 years in two respects: on the one hand, it changes from a weaker elliptical (circular) form into a stronger one. On the other hand, the axis of this ellipsis turns in the plane of Earth's orbit. The spinning of Earth's axis and the elliptical rotation of the axes cause the day on which Earth is closest to the sun (perihelion) to migrate through the calendar year in a cycle of around 20,000 years: currently, it is at the beginning of January; in around 10,000 years, however, it will be at the beginning of July."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130807134127.htm
Bill Ryan
13th August 2013, 22:30
I don't think carting off billions of humans and relocating in another star system is an acceptable or viable solution given the potential scale of the problem
In case there was a misunderstanding! (It was a little hard to tell from your post) : My 'Extreme Hypothesis' was that it was the few thousand controlling elite who might jump ship and leave the planet. They'd all fit nicely into just one of the eight Solar Warden 600' x 100' arrowhead-shaped craft reported by Gordon Novel. (http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3)
But, if so, the rest of us would stay right here, handed over to the non-humans like so many head of cattle being included in a ranch purchase. That's what was suggested, although very indirectly, by Miguel.
Mark
13th August 2013, 23:23
There is no "out there" out there. The prison planet experience is manifest by one's perspective that the "out there" is in control. Those who are enlightened do not experience this. They are free.
And this is why there are so many of us on a very focused path of higher spirituality who have incarnated, here and now. Those of us who choose the Awakening path here and now. And it is more of us than many of us think. I don't know how many people watched the series Fringe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119644/), but it was basically about a time-traveling future humanity that returned to the past and took over. A concurrent theme was the collision of two parallel timelines and the interaction between the primaries and their copies between those timelines.
Great show. But I raise the point now because there came a point near the end of the series when the future-humanity race had enslaved the rest of us and employed psychotronic weapons against us. They could read minds, had futuristic weapons and technology. They were biological creatures, they could be killed, but their greatest weapon was the ability to overpower us mentally, using some sort of cybernetic implants that enhanced their sub-minimal natural abilities.
The key to defeating them is also the key to enlightenment. Controlling the mind. Controlling the thoughts.
What is the greatest weapon used by the PTB today in order to subvert oceanic humanity? Controlling their minds. Controlling their thoughts. By doing so, they are able to control their words and actions, as thoughts lead to both. They can ply their technology at will and direct human emotion and mob behavior to whatever purpose they choose and they genocide them and keep them sedated with poisoned food, water, air and sex.
Controlling the mind and controlling the thoughts is controlling the behavior. Is opening up the capacity of humanity to engage in stupendous and seemingly superhuman behavior. Deeper streams of mental and psychic capacity can be accessed, from far-sight and clairaudience, to telepathy and psychokinesis, precognition to clairvoyance and more.
And these do not take Buddhahood to manifest. Just consistent practice and the intention to access them if one desires and has the capacity to do so. The ancient debate will rage on of course regarding the spiritual aspect, enlightenment and what is the right path for people at certain stages of their individual development, but, practically speaking, employing these tools in defense of self and family and the human race may in large be a part the future. Or rather, the present.
The current slate of movies out there are trying to make out that one has to be "special" or "genetically/technologically enhanced" in order to manifest these abilities. Maybe that is so. I do not know, as far as wide-spread application, even in these days of mass awakening. Transhumanism and genetic-engineering of super-soldiers seems definitely to be one of the ways that the PTB in particular are trying to create individuals able to utilize super-human abilities for what have been thought to be actions against oceanic humanity, but that may also be designed to protect them from those who are either coming or are already here.
One thing that I do know is that being able to control one's thoughts, to be able to silence them at will, can make one undetectable to any technology or advanced alien race that uses such in order to locate individuals by mental and emotional chatter in addition to whatever other kinds of location devices they may possess and employ. Advanced practitioners of meditation can also control their heat-signature and are capable of other abilities that could successfully allow them to successful evade capture or death for an indeterminate time-frame.
The key to the modern-humans beating the future-humans in Fringe, was understanding why they had returned to our time. The future-humans had gone full-tilt down the technological path; had undergone extensive genetic modification that enhanced their logical left-brain, to the total diminution of the creative right-brain. They excelled in technology and their society had reached the advanced consumptive state, where they had totally depleted and poisoned the planet. And so they returned to the past, to a point where the planet was still viable, but also to a point where some few, forward-thinking (backwards in time) future-humans could somehow access what was to them older human genetic lines and regain access to the creative, spiritual abilities that they had left behind.
Of course, the televisions shows have to put their spin on it. So, to beat them, we had to have a drugged out human who was able to manifest super-human abilities in order to combat the aliens directly. But that may not be necessary.
Any advanced technological species out there eyeing Terra with an intent to invade is going to have to deal with a planet with a substantial number of Clears and near-Clears aware of who and what they are and what needs to be done to maintain human control of this planet. That is why they aren't trying to invade us outright. They're trying to kill us subtlely and slowly, preparing the ground, maybe attempting to bio-engineer the atmosphere and chemically seed the land for their own uses. A lot has been said and who knows exactly what is what.
But one thing is certain. Even if some plan is in place, agreed upon by the PTBs who've sold out the planet and are moving on to greener skies and purpler pastures, who would rather look up at 3 moons and 2 suns instead of our good old Sol, who would rather live on Terra Nova than Terra, they still have to deal with the rest of us. Who are here for a reason. A substantial number of which may possess some innate capacity to achieve certain abilities with directed and intensive study.
My bet is on us.
Flash
13th August 2013, 23:55
I don't think carting off billions of humans and relocating in another star system is an acceptable or viable solution given the potential scale of the problem
In case there was a misunderstanding! (It was a little hard to tell from your post) : My 'Extreme Hypothesis' was that it was the few thousand controlling elite who might jump ship and leave the planet. They'd all fit nicely into just one of the eight Solar Warden 600' x 100' arrowhead-shaped craft reported by Gordon Novel. (http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3)
But, if so, the rest of us would stay right here, handed over to the non-humans like so many head of cattle being included in a ranch purchase. That's what was suggested, although very indirectly, by Miguel.
My thinking is that we were already sold out to other races. However, we could have recurperated our planet if we would have made the spiritual jump in mass, that was needed when the cosmic occasion presented itself, i.e. before or around 2012. It seems obvious that we did not make the needed jump.
In this case, are we to be given out to the old garde, having the elite escaping, or being paid for their services by controlling another planet being given to them, are we going to have their young sons as controllers servicing the old garde, or are we going to be with a new garde? Is there any positive benevolent beings who will interfere for this group of retards (seen from their point of view) that we are, who could not make the jump (I mean all the human family)? Is there a shift in ownership and conditions?? And if so, which one?
My best views at this time is that, as per smoopie above, the best bet is still getting enlightened, on an individual basis, since the collective does not seem to follow.
There might be a changing of the garde. It could have been us if we were collectively awake. I wish us the communication/electrical systems to go down (solar flare) to make us move our butts out of stupor. It is already late.
Ron Mauer Sr
14th August 2013, 00:00
There is no "out there" out there. The prison planet experience is manifest by one's perspective that the "out there" is in control. Those who are enlightened do not experience this. They are free.
And this is why we have many of us have incarnated here and now. Those of us who choose the Awakening path here and now. And it is more of us than many of us think. I don't know how many people watched the series Fringe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119644/), but it was basically about a time-traveling future humanity that returned to the past and took over. A concurrent theme was the collision of two parallel timelines and the interaction between the primaries and their copies between those timelines.
Great show. But I raise the point now because there came a point near the end of the series when the future-humanity race had enslaved the rest of us and employed psychotronic weapons against us. They could read minds, had futuristic weapons and technology. They were biological creatures, they could be killed, but their greatest weapon was the ability to overpower us mentally, using some sort of cybernetic implants that enhanced their sub-minimal natural abilities.
The key to defeating them is also the key to enlightenment. Controlling the mind. Controlling the thoughts.
What is the greatest weapon used by the PTB today in order to subvert oceanic humanity? Controlling their minds. Controlling their thoughts. By doing so, they are able to control their words and actions, as thoughts lead to both. They can ply their technology at will and direct human emotion and mob behavior to whatever purpose they choose and they genocide them and keep them sedated with poisoned food, water, air and sex.
Controlling the mind and controlling the thoughts is controlling the behavior. Is opening up the capacity of humanity to engage in stupendous and seemingly superhuman behavior. Deeper streams of mental and psychic capacity can be accessed, from far-sight and clairaudience, to telepathy and psychokinesis, precognition to clairvoyance and more.
And these do not take Buddhahood to manifest. Just consistent practice and the intention to access them if one desires and has the capacity to do so. The ancient debate will rage on of course regarding the spiritual aspect, enlightenment and what is the right path for people at certain stages of their individual development, but, practically speaking, employing these tools in defense of self and family and the human race may in large be a part the future. Or rather, the present.
The current slate of movies out there are trying to make out that one has to be "special" or "genetically/technologically enhanced" in order to manifest these abilities. Maybe that is so. I do not know, as far as wide-spread application, even in these days of mass awakening. Transhumanism and genetic-engineering of super-soldiers seems definitely to be one of the ways that the PTB in particular are trying to create individuals able to utilize super-human abilities for what have been thought to be actions against oceanic humanity, but that may also be designed to protect them from those who are either coming or are already here.
One thing that I do know is that being able to control one's thoughts, to be able to silence them at will, will certainly make one invisible to any technology or advanced psychic alien race that uses such in order to locate individuals by mental and emotional chatter in addition to whatever other kinds of location devices they may possess and employ. Advanced practitioners of meditation can also control their heat-signature and are capable of other abilities that could successfully allow them to successful evade capture or death for an indeterminate time-frame.
The key to the modern-humans beating the future-humans in Fringe, was understanding why they had returned to our time. The future-humans had gone full-tilt down the technological path; had undergone extensive genetic modification that enhanced their logical left-brain, to the total diminution of the creative right-brain. They excelled in technology and their society had reached the advanced consumptive state, where they had totally depleted and poisoned the planet. And so they returned to the past, to a point where the planet was still viable, but also to a point where some few, forward-thinking (backwards in time) future-humans could somehow access what was to them older human genetic lines and somehow regain access to the creative, spiritual abilities that they had left behind.
Of course, the televisions shows have to put their spin on it. So, to beat them, we had to have a drugged out human who was able to manifest super-human abilities in order to combat the aliens directly. But that may not be necessary.
Any advanced technological species out there eyeing Terra with an intent to invade is going to have to deal with a planet with a substantial number of Clears and near-Clears aware of who and what they are and what needs to be done to maintain human control of this planet. That is why they aren't trying to invade us outright. They're trying to kill us subtlely and slowly, preparing the ground, maybe attempting to bio-engineer the atmosphere and chemically seed the land for their own uses. A lot has been said and who knows exactly what is what.
But one thing is certain. Even if some plan is in place, agreed upon by they PTBs who've sold out the planet and are moving on to greener skies and purpler grasses, who would rather look up at 3 moons and 2 suns instead of our good old Sol, who would rather live on Terra Nova than Terra, they still have to deal with the rest of us. Who are here for a reason. A substantial number of which may possess some innate capacity to achieve certain abilities with directed and intensive study.
My bet is on us.
The storyline of Fringe is so similar to Barbara Marciniak's explanation (circa 1990) of what is happening. Time travelers return to this point in time so they can change the future which has (will) become a system of severe tyranny. Some of the time travelers want to remedy the tyranny which has limited their evolution.
My bet is on us also, no matter which side of the veil, no matter which density, no matter which vehicle we act from.
confused
14th August 2013, 03:07
For this post I first want to set the background. I suspect a number of PA members have heard of Howard Storm. I do not know what his reputation is in these circles as I've never seen him mentioned. A few years ago I came across his story on youtube. He really struck me as authentic, especially since he broke into some very real looking tears in his testimony. Long story short, Howard was an atheist who had a near death experience. According to him, he first went to a place that sounded like hell, was rescued by Jesus (BTW he never really equated him to God), met God (non-Jesus version), and after a long discussion was shown the future a few hundred years from now. In addition to his tears when discussing how it felt to be around God, another part that really stuck with me was his description of having to review all of his interactions in life and being made to feel exactly what he made others feel. It sounded a lot like what I've heard from many other people who have had NDEs (the going through your life part and feeling what others felt). The first part (of 5) from the interview is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_GmifF8Fkc
Now in relation to this thread - when Howard asked God about the future, he said he expected to see something like Star Trek - sliding doors, super advanced technology, etc. What he saw instead was a very non-technological human race, but extremely spiritual with evolved abilities like telepathy, controlling the weather with their minds, making plants and food grow by just meditating, etc. He was in disbelief, he did not believe something like this could happen in only a few hundred years, that it must be a mistake, but he was assured that they "do not make mistakes." I always wondered, how would we get to that? How would we get to a place without all this technology with all humans so spiritually evolved? Somehow, what we have today would have to all go away in a very catastrophic way. I can't imagine a scenario that would bring this kind of world into reality without some sort of real catastrophic event.
I really think this is worth a viewing. Whether you believe that an alien race would be the cause or anything else.
Also, as an addition to this, my current belief is in agreement with David Icke's and others' theories that another race of beings (whoever they are) engineered or helped to engineer the catastrophic earth changes that destroyed the previous advanced human civilization and then used this to take over the planet. I've heard David say in an interview that he believes that if all goes wrong for the Reptilians, that they probably have a "wipe the slate clean and start all over again" program in the same way that the previous advanced civilization was destroyed. I fear this as a strong possibility.
Whatever the hypothesis of who, how, and why, it doesn't take away from the many smoking guns Bill pointed out that discuss these catastrophic changes being pretty imminent. How to prepare for us that really have no resources to spare beyond living day to day, or month to month as it is? I have absolutely no idea in terms of practical means. My first baby is due in 2 months, and I've felt for a long time that my most important role to play in this world will be to help raise the generation of human beings that will be the true "first generation" of the new age. I never had guidance from my parents in this sense, but my child will. I trust in God, and in my non-conscious spiritual awareness, to guide me to where I need to be to do what I need to do. It has worked so far for me with flying colors since I've started down this road in college almost 10 years ago. I trust it will continue to do so until I die, young or old. I suggest the same for everyone else.
gripreaper
14th August 2013, 05:55
Wow, interesting hypothesis, and very interesting responses. Where do I start? Before I start, I want to say that I know the dharma of return to source as individuated consciousness in form, is assured.
What we may be feeling, is the DNA imprints from experiences we have had in past epochs. We started out as galactic souls, etheric and high vibrating, with the ability to move in and out of manifestation and form at will. As we CHOSE to move further into density, we went through the early epoch of Mu, where we polarized to the extreme feminine, the slow nothingness and the lack of the male inertia caused the epoch to fail. We then went to the extreme masculine on Atlantis, where technology took over and we lost the feminine aspect, and it nearly destroyed the entire planet. The final epoch, was in balance, the early Egyptian pharonic time of the golden age.
If you look at these epochs on a linear timeline, they coincide with the Yugas and the Mayan cycles, cycles within cycles, the inbreath and outbreath. After the golden Egyptian age, this is when outside forces came in and attempted to circumvent and hi-jack the balanced physically enlightened consciousness, mine for gold, turn us into a hybridized slave race, and vampire the very soul essence of the higher mind and the higher Siddhis abilities.
We allowed it, fell into unconsciousness, succumbed and acquiesced to this harvesting of energy which the interlopers have been sucking on and using us as food, treating us as cattle, and slaves to their vampiristic sociopathic ways, since the fall of man.
But that is all just the outbreath of creation, and the inbreath, the return to wholeness, the awakening of consciousness to what we already know and have fully experienced, cannot be stopped or circumvented. We have already been there, done that, have the T-shirt and the ticket stub. They have been trying to extract our super-conscious souls from us forever and have failed miserably.
If the bastards are putting contingency plans together to "get out of Dodge" and flee before we awaken, I say, good riddance. If they keep their minions quiet by offering them e-tickets to the DUMBS, then they will be entombed in their greed and avarice.
You cannot stop the inbreath and outbreath of creation from unfolding. How do I know this? That would be a story which requires me to tell you about all of my past life recollections, all of my bloodline connections, all of my connections to Mu, Atlantis and Egypt, and a bunch of other stuff. That still would not be convincing, as this has to be direct experience by each individual soul.
Besides, my thanks to post ratio would probably go down!:rofl:
Craig
14th August 2013, 06:03
Grip, interesting reply, mostly over my head, I don't have the assurances of life after etc, but in regards to your inbreath\outbreath, does that mean the next out breath with be worse than now?
Also please start a new thread about your past life recollections and such, I for one would think it would be a good read.
araucaria
14th August 2013, 07:25
Just to carry on from where I left off.
While there is ultimately no ‘out there’, from the perspective of the ‘down here’ we have all signed up for, the ‘out there’ certainly represents a huge extension of the current area of physical awareness that we rely on to grow a spiritual awareness. To discover one has been living in one tiny room in a mansion is a big step although obviously falling well short of enlightenment per se. Let’s see what can be done at the level we are at, shall we?
Given that (I agree) there seems to a dispute over rightful ownership of this planet, then what we need is an arbitration tribunal to decide who gets to stay and who gets relocated. We have to accept that it may be humanity that is required to resettle on some other beautiful world. The mother in the judgement of Solomon got her baby back but only by accepting the idea of losing it. We need to demonstrate that we have that kind of loving relationship with mother Earth rather than the destructive approach taken by others. We can do that. We have millions of people on the ground surviving all kinds of climatic extremes to scrape a humble living off the land and sea while respecting both. And as Bill pointed out in an extremely positive thread back in 2011(?), we have thousands of organizations doing good work to clean up the planet and promote ecofriendly living. These people may not be enlightened in the spiritual sense bandied about here, but they certainly know what they are doing on the physical plane, which is where we happen to be right now. They can squeeze water out of a stone, and food out of a desert, so they are pretty magical folk when you think about it.
The idea of arbitration comes to me from the fact that we have interested but impartial bystanders who have exactly the profile we need for arbitrators. The job description of intervention without interference fits perfectly those positive ET races who have been unwilling so far to act in any other way. The problem right now is that humanity is not even a party to the multipartite litigation and so cannot be a beneficiary of any amicable settlement until it is dragged to the table.
This is where the disclosure issue comes into play. The only people interested in dragging humanity to the table are the neutrals, whose hands are tied, and humanity itself, so we have to do this ourselves. Disclosure cannot happen without an immediate purpose and agenda. Overthrowing governments is not an agenda; at least if it is, it always seems to involve guns. I have said it before and I’ll say it again: no guns for me! Guns have been the problem, they cannot be a solution.
The agenda then, would be peaceful litigation, and disclosure would take place to announce the convening of this arbitration tribunal (or, if it is already underway, the convening of mankind to join it). Such litigation would only be peaceful if it were first established that the controllers are not going to side with humanity, but that they belong to or have sided with one particular negative reptilian group. We know who they are, they know who they are, and most of all the positive ETs know who they are, so there should be no problem with the preliminary formality of establishing individuals’ and parties’ identities.
This last point is crucial: there can be no more pretending you are someone you are not. This may the biblical reference to the separation of the sheep and the goats on judgement day. When the satanic goats are being rounded up, the people scornfully described as ‘sheeple’ will be proud to be called sheep, and will see that neither can they masquerade as those inferior beings.
Another important feature of this scenario is that what happens to the controllers is completely out of our hands. They will at best discover under their controllers that they are even more insignificant minions than they ever thought. They will at worst be discarded for their part in the ensuing fiasco (for anyone willing to blow up their planet must expect not to receive another one). Whatever happens to the controllers, they will fade from our view and will be of no further concern, without the need for enmity or war: we shall have just got down to settling a disagreement.
What then should we be doing? It is time that we collectively reached a decision to take some such course of action. The details obviously need ironing out, and I expect this deliberation process has been ongoing for some time among others better informed than me; or rather, I feel we have all been involved in this. The motion ignores ‘the powers that be’ and is directed at those who seek our highest good. It is only a matter of time before we get enough people on board in order to officialize our position. This is the world government that ETs need to deal with; no ballot boxes required to make it fully democratic.
andrewgreen
14th August 2013, 09:12
Bill seems like a very nice guy with some great ideas to go with a really great understanding of what's going on in the world.
That saying I'm completely unconcerned at catastrophic earth changes taking place because I don't think it will happed and if it does its completely outside of our control.
I am slightly concerned with Bill continually spreading this message of fear. There is no doubt Bill is extremely influential towards the people of this forum. In light of that I think it would be far more worthwhile to focus peoples attention on positive aspects of creation. We are well aware of Bill's views as to an impending disaster but is a continual effort to drill it into peoples consciousness really necessary?
wobbegong
14th August 2013, 11:06
Bill seems like a very nice guy with some great ideas to go with a really great understanding of what's going on in the world.
That saying I'm completely unconcerned at catastrophic earth changes taking place because I don't think it will happed and if it does its completely outside of our control.
I am slightly concerned with Bill continually spreading this message of fear. There is no doubt Bill is extremely influential towards the people of this forum. In light of that I think it would be far more worthwhile to focus peoples attention on positive aspects of creation. We are well aware of Bill's views as to an impending disaster but is a continual effort to drill it into peoples consciousness really necessary?
I understand your concern, but I believe that these are times when we need to be 'on the watchtower' and discern as much info as we can get our hands on - be it scary info or not. So it's not a matter of drilling of things into people's consciousness. I believe that those that are prone to fear and paranoia states have left this forum long ago because, surely, IF taken from the wrong perspective, this info could indeed instil just that.
Just my humble opinion, hope it helps.:unsure:
p.s. (added after Nikolai's comment - thankyou Nikolai) I do not mean to say that all those that left the forum are prone to fear and paranoia.
Sunny-side-up
14th August 2013, 12:25
Thanks Rahkyt good post.
But one thing is certain. Even if some plan is in place, agreed upon by the PTBs who've sold out the planet and are moving on to greener skies and purpler pastures, who would rather look up at 3 moons and 2 suns instead of our good old Sol, who would rather live on Terra Nova than Terra, they still have to deal with the rest of us. Who are here for a reason. A substantial number of which may possess some innate capacity to achieve certain abilities with directed and intensive study.
My bet is on us.
I believe we are the path and that power.
We are opening/OPEN, waking/AWAKE.
We together being nearer the ONE are already powerful as we are together, here and now.
We open the path for others, even and more importantly those arriving now, the new births, they come through on a more in-lightened path and are so move powerful yet again.
But it is simply us who are awake as a collective that is growing that have drawn in closer our Higher-Self's to the problem that have the power when finally ignited by events, ignited by the PTB or just by the fact it's time now! It looks like we are going to be here to pass through the End-of-days.
All we have to do is like you said Rahkyt, all we have to do is simply control our self's.
We have to simply control our self's and be in contact with higher self, be calm and not frightened, what ever happens remember we are truly spiritual beings in material skins. We will carry on but first we have a joint project to finish; to blot out the dark beings and there weak energies!!
LOVE and CALM BEING!
TODD & NORA
14th August 2013, 13:25
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Carmody
14th August 2013, 13:28
Not manmade & not natural...
Nuclear meltdowns are not under human control (by definition) and not really natural either.
Even though this is well known, no one has ever done anything about it: If there is a Carrington Event (or larger, whatever that might be called), that does take out the grid, all of the nuclear power plants in the world are vulnerable to melting down, because they only have enough diesel to power the cooling systems for a couple of weeks.
Of course, if that scenario is what happens, the (great-great-grandchildren) of the "survivors" won't be walking the face of the Earth - for a long, long time, unless they have a hidden way to deal with (neutralize) radiation.
Hey, Miguel, do a proper interview! (where the interviewer listens and doesn't interrupt.)
Dennis
Let me put this issue of nuclear plants in better perspective.
i have a relative that was involved in the core physical build of one of the biggest Nuclear plants on the planet.
it is also considered to be one of the safest.
This relative said, multiple times..that..after the plant was built, every single one of the build and design engineers..made SURE they and their families moved to a place that was up wind and upstream of this nuclear plant.
Every single one of them, this relative said. All of the engineers moved as far away from it as they could reasonably get.
Again...ladies and gentlemen...this is concerning one of the safest designs of nuke plants...on the planet.
Now, if a Carrington event takes place, the vast majority of those back ups are going to fail. The reasons the engineers moved has nothing to do with ideas on Carrington events. Their concerns were ones of known normal issues with nuke plants. Never mind Carrington events, where the vast majority of these back up systems for these nuke plants will fail, as they are primarily computer controlled. Those back up systems were never designed to deal with Carrington events. It IS possible that the smarter designs would be purely mechanical, simple diesel systems. in the event of a Carrington event, that it may be possible to cool the rods. BUT, the rods would have to be removed from the cores and then put in the proper form of storage, which would take serious computerized hardware and maintenance control, as an ongoing requirement.
A while back, someone asked me, OK, so browns gas and aluminum can be combined with radioactive materials to reduce radiation to basically zero. which is what should be done with Fukushima, RIGHT NOW, but that technology is being blocked by black ops and governments, as it means HUMAN FREEDOM from PTB types and an eventual unfolding into near infinite personal power.
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(Yes, fukushima could be ended with a few million dollars and a few months of time. This was conclusively proven by tests done by the Canadian government, as it was recorded on video tape, I've seen the video.)
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Back to a problem that might be the reality, if this is taken seriously.
What do you do when environments are totally polluted? I said, well, since the reaction to take place is seemingly one of alchemical or molecule to molecule in scope and the disaster of it would be very widespread....then.. you MIGHT want to rely on distributed aluminum nanodust and standard electrochemical ph differentials to do the clean up job, over time. (Alchemy is a nano interactive done over time via ph, temperature and pressure shifts, shifts between gaseous and nanodust via temp, light levels,etc, as a repeating cycle [electrochemical, photochemical, etc]....the brown's gas method is a quicker method ---but both are comparable on the molecular interactive level)
Which sounds a lot like chemtrails.... which contain, as a main ingredient, aluminum nanodust.
Now, the aluminum nanodust is very hazardous to the human beings, as it turns their brains into mush, Alzheimer's like issues in a short period of time and also blocks higher function and dimensional connectivity. Humanity would be "monkey'd down", reduced, to a lower form.
When you have two or more birds being hit with one stone, this tends to be the mark of the hidden hand: when multiple objectives are tamed with one act, and nothing can be cleanly and clearly noted and figured out in that given complex context.
AuCo
14th August 2013, 15:08
Hey folks,
Well, we´ve seen it before many times right? People are always, and I mean ALWAYS, warning about an imminent catastrophe.
Raf, Hi!
I know what you mean. But there's another interpretation as well: that maybe there's no smoke without fire.
The underground bases are real. Why are they there?
Why did Henry Deacon tell us (as he did) that the future of the human race might depend on the secret space program?
Why were George Green, and many others, told that the insiders had all been promised their 'tickets', and that this was what kept them all from talking?
Why did the Norwegian Politician (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3342-Was-the-2012-letter-from-the-Norwegian-politician-by-Illuminatis-dark-man-in-Norway) (his name was Khaqan Khan, btw, of Pakistani descent) tell us that the undergound bases in Norway were real, that he had visited them personally, that they contained ET technology, and that they were in preparation for a major event?
What have the benevolent ETs been trying to warn so many contactees and abductees about, without breaking non-interference protocols?
Here's the extreme hypothesis: even more way out than my "Ultimate Hypothesis", posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
.. and the Svalbard Seed Vault?
Flash
14th August 2013, 15:08
OK, I retract my wanting a Carrington event until WE, the people, control this planet. But the, how do we get to control this planet? Or should we get ready with the application of Brown gaz anyhow?
Would like to see those videos - some scientists at the Canadian government must feel VERY uncomfortable these days. If all scientists and whistle blowers would blow the whistle all together, the PTB would be cooked and humanity freed.
MargueriteBee
14th August 2013, 16:01
OK, I retract my wanting a Carrington event until WE, the people, control this planet. But the, how do we get to control this planet? Or should we get ready with the application of Brown gaz anyhow?
Would like to see those videos - some scientists at the Canadian government must feel VERY uncomfortable these days. If all scientists and whistle blowers would blow the whistle all together, the PTB would be cooked and humanity freed.
You are right Flash, they need to do it all at once.
PurpleLama
14th August 2013, 17:44
OK, I retract my wanting a Carrington event until WE, the people, control this planet. But the, how do we get to control this planet? Or should we get ready with the application of Brown gaz anyhow?
Would like to see those videos - some scientists at the Canadian government must feel VERY uncomfortable these days. If all scientists and whistle blowers would blow the whistle all together, the PTB would be cooked and humanity freed.
http://kahudes.net/
Flash
14th August 2013, 18:04
OK, I retract my wanting a Carrington event until WE, the people, control this planet. But the, how do we get to control this planet? Or should we get ready with the application of Brown gaz anyhow?
Would like to see those videos - some scientists at the Canadian government must feel VERY uncomfortable these days. If all scientists and whistle blowers would blow the whistle all together, the PTB would be cooked and humanity freed.
http://kahudes.net/
AVG sent me an alert message with this site having to do with Java.
Nice if all blowing is going through one site, the fact is it has to be done all over at once (something like withing a month or less). But few will get killed in the process.
Who had the courage, number is strenght when it comes to whistle blowing.
Bill Ryan
14th August 2013, 20:34
Bill seems like a very nice guy with some great ideas to go with a really great understanding of what's going on in the world.
That saying I'm completely unconcerned at catastrophic earth changes taking place because I don't think it will happed and if it does its completely outside of our control.
I am slightly concerned with Bill continually spreading this message of fear. There is no doubt Bill is extremely influential towards the people of this forum. In light of that I think it would be far more worthwhile to focus peoples attention on positive aspects of creation. We are well aware of Bill's views as to an impending disaster but is a continual effort to drill it into peoples consciousness really necessary?
Thank you for the compliment! But I'm not intentionally 'spreading fear'.
As I wrote in another post, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712939&viewfull=1#post712939)this is nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind. If I'm guiding a client on a mountain, and I sense an avalanche danger, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.
I would not be trying to make my client afraid. I'd be wanting to take the best possible care of him so that he'd return to his family safely at the end of a memorable adventure.
.. and the Svalbard Seed Vault?
Thank you! I enjoyed that response. It's a very good one.
Honest answer: I don't know. I'm still working to figure it all out.
My honest questions back to you. If you were one of the global controlling elite,
What might your vision and plans be?
What might your problems be, and what would you be doing to solve them?
Nickolai
14th August 2013, 20:41
....I believe that those that are prone to fear and paranoia states have left this forum long ago because, surely, IF taken from the wrong perspective, this info could indeed instil just that.
Just my humble opinion, hope it helps.:unsure:
Hi, Wobbegong,
Totally disagree with you on that one. Many extremely interesting people have left the forum and not for the reason they were prone to fear. Please!
Nickolai
seehas
14th August 2013, 22:13
interesting thread there just listened to the radioshow i wont discredit the caller "miguel" but isnt what he was saying what his going on allready? and what is his message but fear? anyway i would like to hear another interview done by bill ryan with miguel.
another question would be when the elite knows this will happen for sure, why do they push their agenda21 like crazy and all the shutting down the internet stuff right now? if this solar flare happends there is no need to do this right, because there will be no internet anymore.
what would happen to a humand body on the surface facing a solar storm? would it be like a giant microwave? :hungry: damn i wasnt supposed to end as a microwave dish for a alien race that incarnation :o
wobbegong
14th August 2013, 23:16
....I believe that those that are prone to fear and paranoia states have left this forum long ago because, surely, IF taken from the wrong perspective, this info could indeed instil just that.
Just my humble opinion, hope it helps.:unsure:
Hi, Wobbegong,
Totally disagree with you on that one. Many extremely interesting people have left the forum and not for the reason they were prone to fear. Please!
Nickolai
Hi Nikolai, I know, and my statement was not about them, otherwise I would have said that all those that left the forum were the ones prone to fear.
Sorry if my post sounded ambiguous, but this should clarify...right?
Mike
14th August 2013, 23:22
i'm sure we have a lot of 'Coast to Coast' listeners here. anyone ever listen on Saturday night? to the early episode, I mean? it's always a repeat of an Art Bell episode from the 90's. really great shows. I enjoy them immensely, but the striking part of many of them is the feel of imminent disaster. If I didn't know any better, I would have thought the shows were current. all the things we're saying and predicting now were said and predicted then, dozens of times over, by insiders and whistleblowers that we had great faith in, and in many cases still do ( you're gonna get one wrong from time to time. no biggie). it's incredibly interesting to listen to in retrospect - although the great majority of the predictions never materialize (especially those concerning imminent catastrophe, or apocalyptic scenarios) the show is so thrilling and the guest so seemingly knowledgeable and charismatic that you still *almost* believe it will happen.....never mind that the show is 20 years old and the event was supposed to happen within the next 5 years;)
predictions or evaluations of the near future are happening all the time, and have been for some time now...even long before those Art Bell shows of the early 90's. if we are indeed to endure some sort of apocalyptic or near apocalyptic disaster, someone is gonna "predict" it at some point - it's whoever is lucky enough to do it at the right time. and though hundreds of people have gotten it wrong for centuries, there will still be those numb skulls who will stand up and shout "told ya!"
please keep in mind: out of the hundreds of people who have predicted a doomsday scenario over the last few hundred years, *no one* has gotten it right. we're 0 for 1000, at least. not a very good batting average.
I just don't think living on pins n needles and waiting for the disaster to hit is a very constructive way to live. it's a fear-based approach. I don't suggest sticking your head in the sand in the face of danger either, but our approach to this hypothetical scenario needs to be put in proper perspective before we start building bunkers and/or moving to Indonesia. remember, no one has gotten it right yet. when confronted with the math i'm not too terribly motivated to take precautions. sure, I may stack a few extra cans of food and a little water, but beyond that: what can I really do? whether i'm wrong or not, that's about the extent of what i'm (and most people are) able to do at this time.
I know Bill's not the fear monger-ing type. not in a million years. and I understand the catch-22 you're in Bill: if you continue to imply disaster is around the corner and it turns out it isn't, your credibility takes a real hit; but if you stay quiet and something terrible you felt strongly might happen, happens, you have your conscience to deal with. it's a tough position to be in. and I see you're throwing caution to the wind as far as the potential hit to your credibility is concerned, just putting it out there etc... and in a sense I really admire this, because I know you're coming from a place of integrity, but on the flip side of that coin I worry it's a whole bunch of hullaballoo for nothing. is it awakening people to real, impending danger...or is it simply causing unneeded paranoia? I don't know the answer, but if past is prelude....
the scraps of info we get from the top are just so unreliable. consider all the levels and people within those levels who receive that info, and how bastardized and manipulated it gets by the time it makes it down to us commoners. remember that game you played in elementary school, where the secret gets passed around the classroom 20-25 times, and in the end sounds nothing like the original msg?............
Mark
14th August 2013, 23:27
The thing about human potentiality is that it is often dormant until awakened.
For many people who possess the capacity to achieve higher states of mind, they cannot know it until a situation arises whereby they can access these abilities.
As a case in point, when I was a young soldier in the Army, I was a combat radio/teletype operator. As I did well and scored high on my testing, they pegged me to undergo international morse code training. A month long class at the end of 6 months of training on now outdated technologies. It consists of sitting at a desk with headphones and a tapper, listening to strings of 5 morse code combos of letters and numbers, which comprised a single grouping. To pass the class it was necessary to be able to listen and type out 10 groups.
The first week all was normal, the class progressed through memorizing the letters and numbers and then laboriously listening and remembering and typing the groups slowly. It is easy to fall behind, of course, when something is not fully memorized or known. And you're sitting at this desk for 8 hours a day listening to code. Myself and a few other classmates reached 3 groups by the end of the first week. At the beginning of the second week, as I was listening to the code, something happened.
It was as if a muscle flexed in my mind, previously unknown. When that occurred, I was instantly in some infinitely vast mental space of pure conception, where the code was visible as complex patterns comprised of geometric shapes and shifting, morphing color schemes and the sound was layered as well, all of it a concise, complete formation of meaning that had multidimensional texture. In that instant, I knew morse code. In the next minute, I progressed 3 groups. There was no sense of time, but accessing this informational space, perhaps the akashic records, the morphogenic field or whatever it may be called, ended with another flexing of this muscle, returning me to the present, excited and drained, and looking up to find the instructor approaching me with a perplexed look on his face.
17 years teaching there, he told me, and he had never seen anybody else progress through so many groups that quickly. 10 groups to pass, I ended up finishing at 28 groups. The next nearest person was 14. I don't think he ever believed that I did not know morse code prior to that course.
My point in telling this story reiterates my first sentence in this entry. It takes necessity to awaken some abilities that you may not even be aware that you have. And, you may not even be able to access them again, after that. I've never returned to that space since. But then, I've never been challenged like that since, either. When the SHTF and humanity is faced with a do-or-die situation, it is quite possible that many people will awaken to abilities that they have no idea they possess.
But that those who want to control this planet know we do.
So they're treating us with a long-handled spoon, as my late grandmother used to say, preferring to take us out relatively slowly and through the medium of the sell-out Elite, who have no idea what even they are capable of, attributing higher capabilities to Gurus, Savants and Aliens, while refusing belief in the ability of humanity as a whole to be able to manifest psi capacity as a result of being pushed to the edge.
I'm certain a substantial number of those perusing forums like this have these kinds of experiences in their lives, as do many others, just out there, engaging in the day-to-day, just trying to keep afloat, stay above water. But when push-comes-to-shove and we are faced with do-or-die situations, it will become Clear who is who and what is what.
I think the most surprised will be those who sold out the planet, thinking their Overlords were gods. So used to minimizing and dismissing the rest of the herd, they never really knew who and what we are.
Violet
14th August 2013, 23:55
Thanks Bill, there's only one practical problem. What does a 9-5 clerk with a steady job and a family to support do with this information?
This man, as some others around this time, are sending out explicit warnings. Great, but what next? Some people just can't go out and dig that hole.
dpwishy
15th August 2013, 02:42
And that may well be possible... or else (as I've said many times) most of us reading this would not have incarnated here this lifetime. No purpose or value in choosing to play a totally rigged game, with no prospect of success.
That would mean there IS a way to win through. And in order to solve a problem, we have to know what the problem is!
The problem is an outward expression of individual consciousness. The answer is not in the problem but how we look at it and face it. I for one am not afraid and am eager for the next 3-4 years. Divine love is coming back to this earth, take my word for it. There are to many key players incarnated now, this is no mistake. Things are going to happen soon enough but I don't think in the way you all believe. I promise you the nightmare is almost over and we will all realize that we actually created this mess in order to have a harder level in the "video game".
If you didnt want a level this hard, maybe you shouldnt have created it to test yourself? ;)
In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy
Craig
15th August 2013, 03:35
Wishy, I sincerely hope you are right!
unfortunately I don't remember creating this level so hard, normally I start my gaming adventures on the beginner level and then find the cheats for god mode. I cant find that mode for this game
pyrangello
15th August 2013, 04:13
Marshall Masters on coast to coast last week stated that moving 2013 to 2014 would start the beginning of the turbulence of the earth, 2015 would be the time to have to go underground for short periods of time because of the sun. When asked how certain he was, he said without hesitation ---------100%---------- and he was serious . He basically mirror imaged Miguel 's take on whats coming down the pike. Combine all this with just observations on whats happening in the world and certain preps that are being taken by govnt and groups , yes I would say it's like all the pieces of the puzzle are now coming together to fit, all we have to do is finish the border pieces to make the puzzle complete. Thanks to everyone for all the participation on this thread.
pyrangello
15th August 2013, 04:18
dpwishy, I do agree with you, this paradigm has to end in order for us to start a new. If we are to be the stewards of the earth, then we need to get back to basics no matter how difficult it may be . But we may suprize ourselves in many ways along this journey at how beautiful we can really be as a human race as well. I too am not worried , these are all challenges that can indeed be overcome no matter what the odds. I do believe!
Flash
15th August 2013, 04:27
If that happens subways in big cities will be a living nightmare, people hiding into it (3 feetbelow earth surface). It is time to rent in one of those buildings having connections with the underground.
Edit: another potential method of shielding against cosmic rays, as long as we are told in advance, for the working moms with their children: you stay home!!
http://voices.yahoo.com/using-polyethylene-shielding-passenger-aircraft-12061205.html?cat=15
Using Polyethylene Shielding in Passenger Aircraft to Protect Against Cosmic Radiation
Curbing the Health Risks that Come from Flying
araucaria
15th August 2013, 05:48
Marshall Masters on coast to coast last week stated that moving 2013 to 2014 would start the beginning of the turbulence of the earth, 2015 would be the time to have to go underground for short periods of time because of the sun. When asked how certain he was, he said without hesitation ---------100%---------- and he was serious . He basically mirror imaged Miguel 's take on whats coming down the pike. Combine all this with just observations on whats happening in the world and certain preps that are being taken by govnt and groups , yes I would say it's like all the pieces of the puzzle are now coming together to fit, all we have to do is finish the border pieces to make the puzzle complete. Thanks to everyone for all the participation on this thread.
pyrangello, did he say how he knew? Who are the solar meteorologists and how do they operate?
Ron Mauer Sr
15th August 2013, 07:31
Some questions for those more familiar than I am with the need to go underground for short periods of time:
What energy spectrum will be so intense to force us underground?
What material/thickness is an effective block to this energy?
Is a basement a suitable shelter?
What does one feel/observe when it is time to go underground? Heat surge or something else?
Can people spend brief periods of time outside during peak energy cycles? Minutes, hours or days?
What are the harmful effects of this energy spectrum?
skippy
15th August 2013, 08:03
How little do we know..? In the other thread on population growth from Vitalux, it can be argued, by analysing the exponential growth figures, that humanity, as we know it today, is not older than 2000 years .. !? I invite you to take a look at the material presented in that thread and consider the consequences, if true.. And indeed, except those written down by Josephus, the records are rare beyond this limited timeframe. As far as I can see it, and this is not backed-up by any proof whatsoever, resets happen, at regular intervals, so that this whole thing starts over again from scratch. Is it the sun, humanity itself pushing the reset button, control groups? To be honest, I've no idea. What I do know, is that we have almost zero recorded history from the period before 10.000-12.000 BC. Tabula rasa, nothing, nada.
http://www.greatdreams.com/egypt/SphinxBonaparte.jpg
Below a picture of the Roman God Janus, solidly watching over past and coming events. In ancient Rome, Janus headed the pantheon being the God of endings and beginnings. He is usually depicted as having two faces, since he oversees the future and the past. The Romans named the month of January in his honor. For some reason Janus left the pantheon and occidental history at the beginning of our era.. The statue below is from the Vatican museum.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Janus-Vatican.JPG/200px-Janus-Vatican.JPG
Violet
15th August 2013, 09:04
How little do we know..? In the other thread on population growth from Vitalux, it can be argued, by analysing the exponential growth figures, that humanity, as we know it today, is not older than 2000 years .. !? I invite you to take a look at the material presented in that thread and consider the consequences, if true.. And indeed, except those written down by Josephus, the records are rare beyond this limited timeframe. As far as I can see it, and this is not backed-up by any proof whatsoever, resets happen, at regular intervals, so that this whole thing starts over again from scratch. Is it the sun, humanity itself pushing the reset button, control groups? To be honest, I've no idea. What I do know, is that we have almost zero recorded history from the period before 10.000-12.000 BC. Tabula rasa, nothing, nada.
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Below a picture of the Roman God Janus, solidly watching over past and coming events. In ancient Rome, Janus headed the pantheon being the God of endings and beginnings. He is usually depicted as having two faces, since he oversees the future and the past. The Romans named the month of January in his honor. For some reason Janus left the pantheon and occidental history at the beginning of our era.. The statue below is from the Vatican museum.
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I believe we're heading for another period of zero recorded history with all our current digital data.
araucaria
15th August 2013, 09:43
How little do we know..? In the other thread on population growth from Vitalux, it can be argued, by analysing the exponential growth figures, that humanity, as we know it today, is not older than 2000 years .. !? I invite you to take a look at the material presented in that thread and consider the consequences, if true.. And indeed, except those written down by Josephus, the records are rare beyond this limited timeframe. As far as I can see it, and this is not backed-up by any proof whatsoever, resets happen, at regular intervals, so that this whole thing starts over again from scratch. Is it the sun, humanity itself pushing the reset button, control groups? To be honest, I've no idea. What I do know, is that we have almost zero recorded history from the period before 10.000-12.000 BC. Tabula rasa, nothing, nada.
http://www.greatdreams.com/egypt/SphinxBonaparte.jpg
Below a picture of the Roman God Janus, solidly watching over past and coming events. In ancient Rome, Janus headed the pantheon being the God of endings and beginnings. He is usually depicted as having two faces, since he oversees the future and the past. The Romans named the month of January in his honor. For some reason Janus left the pantheon and occidental history at the beginning of our era.. The statue below is from the Vatican museum.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Janus-Vatican.JPG/200px-Janus-Vatican.JPG
There are also less radical resets that do leave traces of what has gone before. One such is probably the event in 535 which caused the Sun more or less to switch off for 18 months and started the Dark Ages, which were literally that. See David Keys, Catastrophe: An Investigation into the Origins of the Modern World. Was it volcanic activity, or an asteroid hit? We don't really know. During this period, empires and civilizations died and others were born, and we know very little about any of it, to the extent that some would suggest that this time period was shorter than our calendar would have us believe.
Another may have been the period ending in the Trojan War, currently dated to have occurred shortly after 1000 BC. Homer was a mythical figure lost for the Greeks themselves in the mists of early Greek history. He was more a bardic movement or tradition than a particular individual. Something happened around this period when the gods abandoned men, and the Iliad and Odyssey are the last surviving texts in which gods consort with men, and mostly bring their downfall in war and other interferences. According to Julian Jaynes, this was the bicameral mind in action: the right brain speaking to the left brain and telling it what to do. There are other possibilities, one being a memory of some alien species that subsequently left the building.
What these two instances have in common is the collective amnesia that accompanies them. I suspect it is partly of a practical nature. When things cease to apply to new circumstances, they fall by the wayside. What we do remember moves from history to archaeology - whether digging up monuments or digging up texts - if not mythology.
We may very well be due for a reset of this type.
pyrangello
15th August 2013, 12:36
Boy do I not like going down the rabbit hole at all and I would appreciate anybody debunking or confirming the following but here goes when you look at connecting the pieces of the puzzle together. In regards to whats happening I remember seeing or reading the following news stories over the last few years.
1) China stockpiling millions of metric tons of food
2) China building ghost cities / est. 63 million units to house people are vacant inland in the country.
3) US had an earthquake drill in the last 2 years from the gulf to chicago / all states bordering / ordered 140 million MRE's to be able to feed 14 million people for 10 days.
4) Russia has completed 5000 underground bunkers, I thought there was 6 that would hold in the 100's of thousand of people.
5) US storing food, fuel, bullets ( you can't find ammo anywhere) ect.
6 ) US govt spending money like theres NO TOMMORROW
7) Our President taking vacations like theirs NO TOMOORROW
8) On a personal note, I have a grandmother who is passed , I have a close personal friend who channels her, was skeptical at first but one day she asked if my grandmother's name started with an M . I said yes, it was Mary, she said no it's more like Marie, I said no way , she said I'm pretty sure. I said ok whats the message, she said she wants to tell you she loves you and not to sell my cabin in the woods because I'm going to need it in the future. Hmmmmm, Called my mom the next day in florida and asked her was grannies first name Marie? She said yes in poland it was. Uh oh ! So I got my validation.
9 ) Also , weren't there predictions by someone that this would be our last pope the vatican would have in place ?
Didn't edgar casey say something to that effect?
10) Then we look at the continent of pangia from way , way back, 176 times the earth has went thru a shift, some severe and some mild where the continents have moved and shifted due to magnitism, plate movements , and maybe the passing of a body in the universe such as a brown dwarf planet or small universe.
11) The hopi indians tell the tale of the kachinas and a shift in dimensions here on earth.
12 ) And maybe all this is just preps for something that could be very mild or severe and nobody really knows for sure as timelines can go either way.
13) And maybe I'm off base on all the above and this is just what countries have been doing for decades anyways.
I would just say live your life , prep a bit but don't let it consume your life. Get yourself straight with the creator , angels and saints and hold your faith in high regards . Miracles do happen, your faith will carry you thru and if in fact this is your last rodeo for this life then so be it but until then do one thing per day for someone else, smile at least once a day and just stay educated . By staying educated you eliminate fear and make good solid judgements . Not knowing what the heck is going on lets your fear run wild . Staying dialed in here on Avalon not only educates all of us but brings a sense of community of the virtual from around the world to a small reality right in front of your eyes. I've learned a lot here from all of you.
It's a very fascinating time we are in , live each day with thankfulness and experiences of our gifts that were created for us and we are experiencing. Now let the debunking begin , lol. thanks guys and gals.
Araucaria, Masters has a video on his site that is over an hour long, I've heard him on coast before, he just sounds like a guy that is methodically weighing the facts from many sources which is in his video. Heck we have a picture here at my shop one of the gals brother took in nome Alaska showing 2 suns that was emailed to us. There is a lot of info/disinfo out there . But it does seem like something is going on but we do have time. Look up coast to coast , past shows from last week and find masters name , the link will be there from his web site.
EYES WIDE OPEN
15th August 2013, 12:42
Marshall Masters on coast to coast last week stated that moving 2013 to 2014 would start the beginning of the turbulence of the earth, 2015 would be the time to have to go underground for short periods of time because of the sun. When asked how certain he was, he said without hesitation ---------100%---------- and he was serious . .
Is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01p3TAGRZg
In the latter half, author and publisher Marshall Masters shared his contention that 'Planet X' is continuing its inbound path in our solar system, drawing closer to Earth. Rather than a planet, he believes what is out there is a mini-constellation, with a brown dwarf sun at the center, that is currently about two Jupiter distances away from us. One of the outermost objects orbiting this sun has been observed and nicknamed "Bluebonnet," he said. In order for it to be observed, people have to adjust their view, not for the Earth's horizon, but the ecliptic-- the plane of the solar system, he stated.
Masters said an associate of his captured an image of the brown dwarf from a high altitude viewing spot west of Peru back in May and that has helped his team calculate the path of Planet X. He suggested that the effects of Planet X have already played into Earth's extreme weather, but according to his estimate, from 2015 onward, disruptions will be far more intense, with a pole shift and drastic flooding taking place, such as Edgar Cayce predicted. For more, check out Masters' video Planet X System Observations and Orbital Analysis.
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Some questions for those more familiar than I am with the need to go underground for short periods of time:
What energy spectrum will be so intense to force us underground?
What material/thickness is an effective block to this energy?
Is a basement a suitable shelter?
What does one feel/observe when it is time to go underground? Heat surge or something else?
Can people spend brief periods of time outside during peak energy cycles? Minutes, hours or days?
What are the harmful effects of this energy spectrum?
bumping the questions.
pyrangello
15th August 2013, 12:45
Here's masters website , click on the analysis picture and watch the video , this isn't a Hollywood production either , http://www.yowusa.com/, let me know what your thoughts are? enjoy the day !
Octavusprime
15th August 2013, 12:55
Some questions for those more familiar than I am with the need to go underground for short periods of time:
What energy spectrum will be so intense to force us underground?
What material/thickness is an effective block to this energy?
Is a basement a suitable shelter?
What does one feel/observe when it is time to go underground? Heat surge or something else?
Can people spend brief periods of time outside during peak energy cycles? Minutes, hours or days?
What are the harmful effects of this energy spectrum?
When a solar flare with accompanying Coronal Mass Ejections bursts in the direction of Earth the sun blasts out protons, electrons, ions, atoms and a whole slew of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, gamma rays, etc). It takes 12-40 hours for everything to hit earth depending on the intensity and thus speed of the blast. There would likely be little heat effects felt.
The electromagnetic energy is prevented from wreaking havoc to our bodies by the magnetosphere. Astronauts are at risk during such events but earth bound humans are relatively safe and get to watch the aurora borealis in all it's splendor.
Main threat is to our vulnerable electrical grid and electronics. A big enough event could blow every transformer in its path along with screwing up satellite gps systems. I've heard it could take up to a year to fix the grid in such an event as we would have to build and replace all effected transformers.
So in my eyes the only way a solar flare could harm us would be if this event coincided with a weakening or disappearance of the magnetosphere. But this would have larger consequences to our atmosphere as the magnetosphere also prevents our atmosphere (air) and water from flying off the planet.
A more probable danger of the sun would result from the complete destruction of our ozone layer. This layer absorbs 85-95% of the suns UV rays. Without it we wouldn't last long in the sun. All life on earth has developed some way of dealing with dangerous UV rays. Without the Ozone layer life under the sun would be impossible for most life on earth. Plants fried, plankton fried, animals fried, game over.
So back to your question. From what I've read on surviving nuclear fallout. Three feet of dirt is needed to protect from gamma rays. But surviving a lack of an ozone would be irrelevant as there would be no earth to come back to.
There may be other sun induced events that would cause us to dig a hole and hide. Perhaps others here can chime in on those.
EYES WIDE OPEN
15th August 2013, 13:11
Is this true?
http://www.livescience.com/18119-sunscreen-protect-solar-flares.html
An explosion in the sun's atmosphere called a "solar flare" sent a huge burst of matter and energy hurtling into space Monday (Jan. 23), and some of the material is now raining down upon Earth. Solar flares are difficult to predict, but they often come in clusters, so more floods of solar radiation are likely to hit Earth soon.
During another recent period of extreme solar activity, Kobus Olckers, a forecaster at the South African Space Weather Office in Cape Town, advised members of the public to avoid going outside and to wear high-SPF sunscreen if they do. But will some SPF 45 really protect you from the extra radiation?
Yes – sunscreen will block the radiation. But there isn't actually that much extra to worry about.
"Ultraviolet radiation from the sun briefly goes up by factors of thousands during solar flares," said Todd Hoeksema, a solar astronomer at Stanford University. "That's outside the Earth's atmosphere, though. The amount of UV radiation that gets to the ground is about the same as normal," Hoeksema told Life's Little Mysteries.
Most of the high-energy radiation coming from the sun during a solar flare gets absorbed by our atmosphere. "UV light is very energetic so it interacts with the atmosphere , breaking molecules apart and ionizing atoms. As it goes though the air, more and more gets absorbed. Most of it gets absorbed 80 or 100 miles above us," he said.
The extra UV light that does make it through the atmosphere — and onto your skin — isn't enough to worry about, Hoeksema said. "The increase in the amount of UV on the ground is minimal."
These radiation showers are actually fairly common, happening a few times a year during the active part of the sun's 11-year cycle. And while they pose no real risk to Earth-bound humans, the high-velocity protons , gamma rays, X-rays and other types of ionizing radiation they eject can be hazardous to astronauts in orbit. (In case you're wondering, sunscreen won't block high-velocity protons or the like.)
The normal daily influx of UV light is the real concern. "What matters is the cumulative dose of UV radiation you get, not a small increase here and there," Hoeksema said. Regular exposure to UV radiation causes genetic mutations to occur in skin cells that can lead to skin cancer. "Since the effect is cumulative,” he said, “I think that people should wear sunscreen all the time."
charlesfrith
15th August 2013, 13:13
Playing devils advocate to Bill's post:
Hey folks,
Well, we´ve seen it before many times right? People are always, and I mean ALWAYS, warning about an imminent catastrophe.
Raf, Hi!
I know what you mean. But there's another interpretation as well: that maybe there's no smoke without fire.
The underground bases are real. Why are they there? Because overground isn't private enough
Why did Henry Deacon tell us (as he did) that the future of the human race might depend on the secret space program?
Because planets expire eventually
Why were George Green, and many others, told that the insiders had all been promised their 'tickets', and that this was what kept them all from talking?
People talk. George Green for example.
Why did the Norwegian Politician (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3342-Was-the-2012-letter-from-the-Norwegian-politician-by-Illuminatis-dark-man-in-Norway) (his name was Khaqan Khan, btw, of Pakistani descent) tell us that the undergound bases in Norway were real, that he had visited them personally, that they contained ET technology, and that they were in preparation for a major event?
Because underground bases exist. Unlike ET tech which nobody has hard evidence of.
What have the benevolent ETs been trying to warn so many contactees and abductees about, without breaking non-interference protocols?
Imminent disaster is about the most interference anyone can expect in their life. ET needs to shape up if they think that's being benevolent.
Here's the extreme hypothesis: even more way out than my "Ultimate Hypothesis", posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis
I am beginning to suspect, just a little bit, that the global controllers -- whoever they are -- may have done a deal and sold the planet. Think about it.
Sold a planet that is going down the toilet?
EYES WIDE OPEN
15th August 2013, 13:14
Some questions for those more familiar than I am with the need to go underground for short periods of time:
What energy spectrum will be so intense to force us underground?
What material/thickness is an effective block to this energy?
Is a basement a suitable shelter?
What does one feel/observe when it is time to go underground? Heat surge or something else?
Can people spend brief periods of time outside during peak energy cycles? Minutes, hours or days?
What are the harmful effects of this energy spectrum?
When a solar flare with accompanying Coronal Mass Ejections bursts in the direction of Earth the sun blasts out protons, electrons, ions, atoms and a whole slew of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, gamma rays, etc). It takes 12-40 hours for everything to hit earth depending on the intensity and thus speed of the blast. There would likely be little heat effects felt.
The electromagnetic energy is prevented from wreaking havoc to our bodies by the magnetosphere. Astronauts are at risk during such events but earth bound humans are relatively safe and get to watch the aurora borealis in all it's splendor.
Main threat is to our vulnerable electrical grid and electronics. A big enough event could blow every transformer in its path along with screwing up satellite gps systems. I've heard it could take up to a year to fix the grid in such an event as we would have to build and replace all effected transformers.
So in my eyes the only way a solar flare could harm us would be if this event coincided with a weakening or disappearance of the magnetosphere. But this would have larger consequences to our atmosphere as the magnetosphere also prevents our atmosphere (air) and water from flying off the planet.
A more probable danger of the sun would result from the complete destruction of our ozone layer. This layer absorbs 85-95% of the suns UV rays. Without it we wouldn't last long in the sun. All life on earth has developed some way of dealing with dangerous UV rays. Without the Ozone layer life under the sun would be impossible for most life on earth. Plants fried, plankton fried, animals fried, game over.
So back to your question. From what I've read on surviving nuclear fallout. Three feet of dirt is needed to protect from gamma rays. But surviving a lack of an ozone would be irrelevant as there would be no earth to come back to.
There may be other sun induced events that would cause us to dig a hole and hide. Perhaps others here can chime in on those.
so if there was a solar flare with a big burst of gamma, I guess sunscreen would not protect as the article I posted suggests?
araucaria
15th August 2013, 13:40
What for me invalidates all the solar predictions we have been getting is the fact that, while for so long they have predicated a major incident on the present cycle (whether 22, 23 or 24) being the mother of all solar cycles, the rhetoric has not changed since it became apparent that in terms of sunspot activity, cycle 24 was turning out to be a damp squib. At one point there was mention of a possible new Maunder minimum, but in reality it is on a par with cycle 14 a hundred years ago.
This is the same sort of ‘heads I win tails you lose’ logic that we find in the ‘global warming’ debate and which led to the name being changed to ‘climate change’. If you have hot weather, it is due to global warming. If you have exceptionally cold weather, ditto.
Bill Ryan
15th August 2013, 13:47
Marshall Masters on coast to coast last week stated that moving 2013 to 2014 would start the beginning of the turbulence of the earth, 2015 would be the time to have to go underground for short periods of time because of the sun. When asked how certain he was, he said without hesitation ---------100%---------- and he was serious . He basically mirror imaged Miguel 's take on whats coming down the pike. .
As best I know, for what it's worth, this sounds pretty much about right from everything I've been able to piece together -- which is a combination of hard science and insider testimony.
* Do you have any kind of a link to the audio of the show? (I am not a C2C subscriber.)
What for me invalidates all the solar predictions we have been getting is the fact that, while for so long they have predicated a major incident on the present cycle (whether 22, 23 or 24) being the mother of all solar cycles, the rhetoric has not changed since it became apparent that in terms of sunspot activity, cycle 24 was turning out to be a damp squib.
Yes, fully understood. This is puzzling some very good solar scientists, too, who are all pretty smart.
As best I know, we will not be fully out of the woods until the subsidence of the true peak of the cycle, which may not be upon us for another few months. (A double-peak model is now being seriously suggested by many scientists. If this is correct, we're not at the second peak yet.)
A further factor, which is what Marshall Masters may be referring to, is that if a massive astronomical body like 'Planet X' (probably a brown dwarf binary star) starts to get a little nearer to the sun -- gravitationally and electromagnetically speaking -- this is very likely to affect the sun's 'behavior' in a number of ways. This may be hard for the insider scientists to model, as it has not happened before (at least to this incarnation of civilization!).
What I keep coming back to is: Why all the underground bases?
Was that decision, to invest many trillions of dollars over a 60 year period, some kind of huge mistake?
EYES WIDE OPEN
15th August 2013, 14:01
Marshall Masters on coast to coast last week stated that moving 2013 to 2014 would start the beginning of the turbulence of the earth, 2015 would be the time to have to go underground for short periods of time because of the sun. When asked how certain he was, he said without hesitation ---------100%---------- and he was serious . .
Is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01p3TAGRZg
In the latter half, author and publisher Marshall Masters shared his contention that 'Planet X' is continuing its inbound path in our solar system, drawing closer to Earth. Rather than a planet, he believes what is out there is a mini-constellation, with a brown dwarf sun at the center, that is currently about two Jupiter distances away from us. One of the outermost objects orbiting this sun has been observed and nicknamed "Bluebonnet," he said. In order for it to be observed, people have to adjust their view, not for the Earth's horizon, but the ecliptic-- the plane of the solar system, he stated.
Masters said an associate of his captured an image of the brown dwarf from a high altitude viewing spot west of Peru back in May and that has helped his team calculate the path of Planet X. He suggested that the effects of Planet X have already played into Earth's extreme weather, but according to his estimate, from 2015 onward, disruptions will be far more intense, with a pole shift and drastic flooding taking place, such as Edgar Cayce predicted. For more, check out Masters' video Planet X System Observations and Orbital Analysis.
¤=[Post Update]=¤
Some questions for those more familiar than I am with the need to go underground for short periods of time:
What energy spectrum will be so intense to force us underground?
What material/thickness is an effective block to this energy?
Is a basement a suitable shelter?
What does one feel/observe when it is time to go underground? Heat surge or something else?
Can people spend brief periods of time outside during peak energy cycles? Minutes, hours or days?
What are the harmful effects of this energy spectrum?
bumping the questions.
Just finished listening to this. (its the second half). have a listen folks!
skippy
15th August 2013, 14:10
What for me invalidates all the solar predictions we have been getting is the fact that, while for so long they have predicated a major incident on the present cycle (whether 22, 23 or 24) being the mother of all solar cycles, the rhetoric has not changed since it became apparent that in terms of sunspot activity, cycle 24 was turning out to be a damp squib.
Yes, fully understood. This is puzzling some very good solar scientists, too, who are all pretty smart.
As best I know, we will not be fully out of the woods until the subsidence of the true peak of the cycle, which may not be upon us for another few months. (A double-peak model is now being seriously suggested by many scientists. If this is correct, we're not at the second peak yet.)
A further factor, which is what Marshall Masters may be referring to, is that if a massive astronomical body like 'Planet X' (probably a brown dwarf binary star) starts to get a little nearer to the sun -- gravitationally and electromagnetically speaking -- this is very likely to affect the sun's 'behavior' in a number of ways. This may be hard for the insider scientists to model, as it has not happened before (at least to this incarnation of civilization!).
What I keep coming back to is: Why all the underground bases?
Was that decision, to invest many trillions of dollars over a 60 year period, some kind of huge mistake?
Hi Bill, a question. I guess you are familiar with the Cross of Hendaye interpretation by Jay Weidner and some caves in Peru as a refuge to escape 'the angry sun'. Now, Peru is neighbouring Ecuador. Did you have the occasion to visit some of the caves complexes in that area and do your observations support or not Jay's interpretation of the cross of Hendaye ?
Octavusprime
15th August 2013, 14:27
Some questions for those more familiar than I am with the need to go underground for short periods of time:
What energy spectrum will be so intense to force us underground?
What material/thickness is an effective block to this energy?
Is a basement a suitable shelter?
What does one feel/observe when it is time to go underground? Heat surge or something else?
Can people spend brief periods of time outside during peak energy cycles? Minutes, hours or days?
What are the harmful effects of this energy spectrum?
When a solar flare with accompanying Coronal Mass Ejections bursts in the direction of Earth the sun blasts out protons, electrons, ions, atoms and a whole slew of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, gamma rays, etc). It takes 12-40 hours for everything to hit earth depending on the intensity and thus speed of the blast. There would likely be little heat effects felt.
The electromagnetic energy is prevented from wreaking havoc to our bodies by the magnetosphere. Astronauts are at risk during such events but earth bound humans are relatively safe and get to watch the aurora borealis in all it's splendor.
Main threat is to our vulnerable electrical grid and electronics. A big enough event could blow every transformer in its path along with screwing up satellite gps systems. I've heard it could take up to a year to fix the grid in such an event as we would have to build and replace all effected transformers.
So in my eyes the only way a solar flare could harm us would be if this event coincided with a weakening or disappearance of the magnetosphere. But this would have larger consequences to our atmosphere as the magnetosphere also prevents our atmosphere (air) and water from flying off the planet.
A more probable danger of the sun would result from the complete destruction of our ozone layer. This layer absorbs 85-95% of the suns UV rays. Without it we wouldn't last long in the sun. All life on earth has developed some way of dealing with dangerous UV rays. Without the Ozone layer life under the sun would be impossible for most life on earth. Plants fried, plankton fried, animals fried, game over.
So back to your question. From what I've read on surviving nuclear fallout. Three feet of dirt is needed to protect from gamma rays. But surviving a lack of an ozone would be irrelevant as there would be no earth to come back to.
There may be other sun induced events that would cause us to dig a hole and hide. Perhaps others here can chime in on those.
so if there was a solar flare with a big burst of gamma, I guess sunscreen would not protect as the article I posted suggests?
The magnetosphere will protect you. Unless it is weakened or destroyed.
Bill Ryan
15th August 2013, 14:37
Hi Bill, a question. I guess you are familiar with the Cross of Hendaye interpretation by Jay Weidner and some caves in Peru as a refuge to escape 'the angry sun'. Now, Peru is neighbouring Ecuador. Did you have the occasion to visit some of the caves complexes in that area and do your observations support or not Jay's interpretation of the cross of Hendaye ?
Yes -- it's interesting stuff, and has intrigued Weidner for years. See this page:
http://jayweidner.com/netx2.htm
In answer to your question, I've not visited any of those cave sites in Peru, although I'd certainly like to take a trip sometime. I don't feel qualified to offer an opinion on Weidner's ideas about this!
Calz
15th August 2013, 14:40
Top of my head and no time to search for a link ... but memory serving Jay said that the cave complex he mentioned was now guarded by the military ...
Go figure ...
araucaria
15th August 2013, 14:53
What for me invalidates all the solar predictions we have been getting is the fact that, while for so long they have predicated a major incident on the present cycle (whether 22, 23 or 24) being the mother of all solar cycles, the rhetoric has not changed since it became apparent that in terms of sunspot activity, cycle 24 was turning out to be a damp squib.
Yes, fully understood. This is puzzling some very good solar scientists, too, who are all pretty smart.
As best I know, we will not be fully out of the woods until the subsidence of the true peak of the cycle, which may not be upon us for another few months. (A double-peak model is now being seriously suggested by many scientists. If this is correct, we're not at the second peak yet.)
A further factor, which is what Marshall Masters may be referring to, is that if a massive astronomical body like 'Planet X' (probably a brown dwarf binary star) starts to get a little nearer to the sun -- gravitationally and electromagnetically speaking -- this is very likely to affect the sun's 'behavior' in a number of ways. This may be hard for the insider scientists to model, as it has not happened before (at least to this incarnation of civilization!).
What I keep coming back to is: Why all the underground bases?
Was that decision, to invest many trillions of dollars over a 60 year period, some kind of huge mistake?
Hi Bill, a question. I guess you are familiar with the Cross of Hendaye interpretation by Jay Weidner and some caves in Peru as a refuge to escape 'the angry sun'. Now, Peru is neighbouring Ecuador. Did you have the occasion to visit some of the caves complexes in that area and do your observations support or not Jay's interpretation of the cross of Hendaye ?
The controllers making a huge mistake? This may well be what is happening :) We think they are so powerful and so clever, we sometimes forget they are fear-ridden creatures, and fear can often trigger mistakes.
In his 2010 interview with Kerry Jay Weidner quotes the Puranas, and the 60,000 year cycle, with the end of the Kali Yuga dated to 2442, i.e. 666 years after 1776. Apparently in the 1890s the PTB freaked out on hearing that the Mayan date of 2011 might be more correct, and so they have been speeding up their operations to ‘get out of Dodge’ to Mars, just in case. I expect the underground bases could probably be seen in the same light: not so much a mistake as a terribly mistimed reaction.
According to Weidner’s theory, we have over four centuries to get our act together in easier conditions. I think the much awaited planetary body may also be due then, and what we are seeing now is due to the interstellar dust cloud we are beginning to pass through.
Given that most of these scenarios are somehow related to Zechariah Sitchin’s work, I would stress that Sitchin specifically contradicts those who say the next Nibiru event is due now, such as Bob Dean with his Santorini + 3600 calculation. The last passage was in 556 BC, Nibiru’s orbit having been shortened, he says, by the Flood incident, so the next is not due until somewhere “circa A.D. 2900. For those who associate the prophesied cataclysmic events with the return of Nibiru–Planet ‘X’ to some–the time is not at hand” (The End of Days, 298). (No wonder we cannot see anything yet!)
SunSea
15th August 2013, 16:24
Good Point araucaria ! "The controllers making a huge mistake? This may well be what is happening We think they are so powerful and so clever, we sometimes forget they are fear-ridden creatures, and fear can often trigger mistakes."
I haven't thought of this aspect for the building of the underground facilities but it makes very good sense. Understanding the history of the planet, we know at different times people needed to retreat underground for various reasons. Because some of the "elites" have access to the true history (we suppose) they have taken these precautions on a grand scale. However, it is my conviction that THEY DO NOT KNOW what is going to happen, and no one else knows either. I'm sure they are caught up in their stories about "knowing" with a good measure of egomaniacal certainty and elitism. They have been following a specific plan for centuries which is all about the continual and absolute control of this planet. The underground facilities are a part of this ongoing plan. BUT," the best laid plans of mice and men" as that saying goes. There is always the unknown element that no one can be aware of.
I also want to repeat something I said recently ....its my perspective that there are much bigger forces at work here that mostly we aren't aware of. The aspect of conscious intent or Cosmic Law perhaps it could be explained as. Is the Sun a living being with a higher purpose that is a intricate participant in this plan? Or just a gaseous, fire ball following mechanical processes that are predictable. How much do we really know? Not much.
Again, my perspective is....a part of the controllers plan was to have a catastrophic event brought in that would assist in their ultimate take over hence the underground bases. I may be a delusional optimist, but my feeling is, that event isn't coming, they are being foiled. There are other forces in play here. We could get into timelines and how those are formed, what will manifest in our reality? Surely the "otherside" is aware of this process and their diligent work to bring in the "timeline" they want to manifest. This always involves catastrophic events and we are bombarded with those possible scenarios in the media. Some say, and it makes great sense, that humanity is carrying the emotional trauma of having experienced these catastrophic events from times past. Our history is hidden... so, this hidden trauma is being exploited that injects fear/preparation for survival at a cellular level. All this to help bring in the desired timeline which manifest by humans conscious energy. We are great creators but mainly don't realize it.
Anyway, that's my viewpoint. Lately I've been wondering why there is all this concern about a imminent threat of some horrific event happening soon. Where is this coming from? I just don't get it.
Thanks for taking the time to read, if you have.
Love and Peace, SunSea
jiminii
15th August 2013, 16:40
Good Point araucaria ! "The controllers making a huge mistake? This may well be what is happening We think they are so powerful and so clever, we sometimes forget they are fear-ridden creatures, and fear can often trigger mistakes."
I haven't thought of this aspect for the building of the underground facilities but it makes very good sense. Understanding the history of the planet, we know at different times people needed to retreat underground for various reasons. Because some of the "elites" have access to the true history (we suppose) they have taken these precautions on a grand scale. However, it is my conviction that THEY DO NOT KNOW what is going to happen, and no one else knows either. I'm sure they are caught up in their stories about "knowing" with a good measure of egomaniacal certainty and elitism. They have been following a specific plan for centuries which is all about the continual and absolute control of this planet. The underground facilities are a part of this ongoing plan. BUT," the best laid plans of mice and men" as that saying goes. There is always the unknown element that no one can be aware of.
I also want to repeat something I said recently ....its my perspective that there are much bigger forces at work here that mostly we aren't aware of. The aspect of conscious intent or Cosmic Law perhaps it could be explained as. Is the Sun a living being with a higher purpose that is a intricate participant in this plan? Or just a gaseous, fire ball following mechanical processes that are predictable. How much do we really know? Not much.
Again, my perspective is....a part of the controllers plan was to have a catastrophic event brought in that would assist in their ultimate take over hence the underground bases. I may be a delusional optimist, but my feeling is, that event isn't coming, they are being foiled. There are other forces in play here. We could get into timelines and how those are formed, what will manifest in our reality? Surely the "otherside" is aware of this process and their diligent work to bring in the "timeline" they want to manifest. This always involves catastrophic events and we are bombarded with those possible scenarios in the media. Some say, and it makes great sense, that humanity is carrying the emotional trauma of having experienced these catastrophic events from times past. Our history is hidden... so, this hidden trauma is being exploited that injects fear/preparation for survival at a cellular level. All this to help bring in the desired timeline which manifest by humans conscious energy. We are great creators but mainly don't realize it.
Anyway, that's my viewpoint. Lately I've been wondering why there is all this concern about a imminent threat of some horrific event happening soon. Where is this coming from? I just don't get it.
Thanks for taking the time to read, if you have.
Love and Peace, SunSea
you got that exactly right.
they are playing from a viewpoint of where the planet would have went if those from the future were not here preventing it all from happening again. All their predictions fail. They will continue to fail. They will play out every fear attempt they can create and that will fail too. when they can no longer be cause over anything they will become insane to the point where they will look like institutional cases, while those who change over can destimulate from all that suppression they've been living through for years
jim
ulli
15th August 2013, 16:41
Good Point araucaria ! "The controllers making a huge mistake? This may well be what is happening We think they are so powerful and so clever, we sometimes forget they are fear-ridden creatures, and fear can often trigger mistakes."
I haven't thought of this aspect for the building of the underground facilities but it makes very good sense. Understanding the history of the planet, we know at different times people needed to retreat underground for various reasons. Because some of the "elites" have access to the true history (we suppose) they have taken these precautions on a grand scale. However, it is my conviction that THEY DO NOT KNOW what is going to happen, and no one else knows either. I'm sure they are caught up in their stories about "knowing" with a good measure of egomaniacal certainty and elitism. They have been following a specific plan for centuries which is all about the continual and absolute control of this planet. The underground facilities are a part of this ongoing plan. BUT," the best laid plans of mice and men" as that saying goes. There is always the unknown element that no one can be aware of.
I also want to repeat something I said recently ....its my perspective that there are much bigger forces at work here that mostly we aren't aware of. The aspect of conscious intent or Cosmic Law perhaps it could be explained as. Is the Sun a living being with a higher purpose that is a intricate participant in this plan? Or just a gaseous, fire ball following mechanical processes that are predictable. How much do we really know? Not much.
Again, my perspective is....a part of the controllers plan was to have a catastrophic event brought in that would assist in their ultimate take over hence the underground bases. I may be a delusional optimist, but my feeling is, that event isn't coming, they are being foiled. There are other forces in play here. We could get into timelines and how those are formed, what will manifest in our reality? Surely the "otherside" is aware of this process and their diligent work to bring in the "timeline" they want to manifest. This always involves catastrophic events and we are bombarded with those possible scenarios in the media. Some say, and it makes great sense, that humanity is carrying the emotional trauma of having experienced these catastrophic events from times past. Our history is hidden... so, this hidden trauma is being exploited that injects fear/preparation for survival at a cellular level. All this to help bring in the desired timeline which manifest by humans conscious energy. We are great creators but mainly don't realize it.
Anyway, that's my viewpoint. Lately I've been wondering why there is all this concern about a imminent threat of some horrific event happening soon. Where is this coming from? I just don't get it.
Thanks for taking the time to read, if you have.
Love and Peace, SunSea
To believe in a threat is in the nature of all controllers, and if they have the financial and man-power means why not make preparations?
It's what they are about. Humanity is made up of all types.
Waking up means discovering which type one is oneself, and then looking to find a healthy balance.
ulli
15th August 2013, 16:49
Good Point araucaria ! "The controllers making a huge mistake? This may well be what is happening We think they are so powerful and so clever, we sometimes forget they are fear-ridden creatures, and fear can often trigger mistakes."
I haven't thought of this aspect for the building of the underground facilities but it makes very good sense. Understanding the history of the planet, we know at different times people needed to retreat underground for various reasons. Because some of the "elites" have access to the true history (we suppose) they have taken these precautions on a grand scale. However, it is my conviction that THEY DO NOT KNOW what is going to happen, and no one else knows either. I'm sure they are caught up in their stories about "knowing" with a good measure of egomaniacal certainty and elitism. They have been following a specific plan for centuries which is all about the continual and absolute control of this planet. The underground facilities are a part of this ongoing plan. BUT," the best laid plans of mice and men" as that saying goes. There is always the unknown element that no one can be aware of.
I also want to repeat something I said recently ....its my perspective that there are much bigger forces at work here that mostly we aren't aware of. The aspect of conscious intent or Cosmic Law perhaps it could be explained as. Is the Sun a living being with a higher purpose that is a intricate participant in this plan? Or just a gaseous, fire ball following mechanical processes that are predictable. How much do we really know? Not much.
Again, my perspective is....a part of the controllers plan was to have a catastrophic event brought in that would assist in their ultimate take over hence the underground bases. I may be a delusional optimist, but my feeling is, that event isn't coming, they are being foiled. There are other forces in play here. We could get into timelines and how those are formed, what will manifest in our reality? Surely the "otherside" is aware of this process and their diligent work to bring in the "timeline" they want to manifest. This always involves catastrophic events and we are bombarded with those possible scenarios in the media. Some say, and it makes great sense, that humanity is carrying the emotional trauma of having experienced these catastrophic events from times past. Our history is hidden... so, this hidden trauma is being exploited that injects fear/preparation for survival at a cellular level. All this to help bring in the desired timeline which manifest by humans conscious energy. We are great creators but mainly don't realize it.
Anyway, that's my viewpoint. Lately I've been wondering why there is all this concern about a imminent threat of some horrific event happening soon. Where is this coming from? I just don't get it.
Thanks for taking the time to read, if you have.
Love and Peace, SunSea
you got that exactly right.
they are playing from a viewpoint of where the planet would have went if those from the future were not here preventing it all from happening again. All their predictions fail. They will continue to fail. They will play out every fear attempt they can create and that will fail too. when they can no longer be cause over anything they will become insane to the point where they will look like institutional cases, while those who change over can destimulate from all that suppression they've been living through for years
jim
I find your viewpoint fascinating...
I totally share it, though I arrived at mine via a different route.
Journeying back from the future to fix stuff...makes perfect sense although flies in the face of science that says the galaxies way out there are seen as they were millions and even billions of years ago, due to the limited speed of light.
But time is relative.
My take is that the universe is infinite, and eternal, and therefore the speed of light is ultimately irrelevant...
We simply make a single step and we are wherever we want to do the clean-up.
Clean the slate. Blank slate technology, BST.
Wingmakers helped me see that first, after dropping organized religion.
pyrangello
15th August 2013, 17:02
Sun sea," I also want to repeat something I said recently ....its my perspective that there are much bigger forces at work here that mostly we aren't aware of. " I love that statement. And from the movie Starman " Why is it you humans are at your best when things are at there worst". I do believe so, so much there is something much higher and greater for us and can feel it. I'm not a guy living in la la land either. I'm a Businessman, Biker, Bar-b-quer, Boater, Welder and Vet , but the last 2 don't start with a B, lol. I donate time and money til my ears fall off, meeting with the boy scouts later today to help them get more uniforms for the kids.
Just as we have a higher purpose here , I too am optimistic of something even higher out there. Just tough sometimes getting caught in the matrix of those that want us fear based . Being part of the Avalon Family here is a perspective of balance on a daily basis. Thanks for all the imput.
SunSea
15th August 2013, 17:10
Ulli, EXACTLY, "To believe in a threat is in the nature of all controllers, and if they have the financial and man-power means why not make preparations?"
This is ALWAYS a part of their MO. Not just believe in the threat but to create it.
SKIBADABOMSKI
15th August 2013, 21:11
I'm in with in gang and I go where the in gang goes.
Then ***** locks them all in and what starts is the destruction of all the filth and they are buried alive to be eaten in ritualistic ceremonies by the reptiles.
ThePythonicCow
16th August 2013, 02:00
What I keep coming back to is: Why all the underground bases?
What better place to hide stuff ?
Who or what the stuff is being hidden from may vary, over time and in the minds of the various hiders:
From some solar hyper activity
From a galactic superwave
From the commotion caused by a PlanetX, Nibiru, or Second Sun
From global environmental collapse
From some extinction level event
From some alien attack
From some other world power enemy (e.g. Soviets or Chicoms)
From some covert world power (e.g. post WWII Nazis)
From some threat foretold by ancient prophecy
From some threat foretold by time travel
From hoards of angry peasants with pitchforks (that is, from us)
The builders of the underground march to the beat of such threats and divisions. It is the "music" they also play most commonly for us peasants, to keep us down and focused however they want.
The deep underground bases and tunnels, the massive stashes of emergency food, gold, and ammunition, and the efforts at space travel are to the bastards in power what the buried RVs, stacks of ammo, toilet paper, silver coins, rice and beans, and bug-out bags are to us common preppers.
One cannot demonstrate the certainty of any particular such threat from any of these efforts at preparation. One can only demonstrate the presence of concern that some such catastrophe is worth preparing for.
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To believe in a threat is in the nature of all controllers, and if they have the financial and man-power means why not make preparations?
It's what they are about. Humanity is made up of all types.
Yeah - what I said - only you said it quite more succinctly and clearly :).
araucaria
16th August 2013, 06:11
If Jay Weidner and Jiminii are correct, then probably it was a time traveler back in 1890 who influenced the perception of the Mayan question. The whole 2012 saga swelled out of all proportion fuelled by insider leakage and would have been guided all the way to serve this positive function as a booby-trap.
In this regard, the magnificently diabolical work of someone like David Wilcock was not in passing on insider info to his followers, but in shoveling 2012 disinfo in the opposite direction, to the controllers through his insider contacts, thereby consolidating their belief system. Although on the face of it another damp squib, December 21st was a game changer because those whose really believed and needed things to happen now find themselves in uncharted territory, so now their game is starting to unravel as Jiminii describes.
Anyone who knows anything about sport will confirm that if you don’t finish off your opponent when you are ahead, you will almost certainly lose. The closer you get – or think you get – to victory, the more likely you are to fold up altogether because what is happening was never supposed to happen. We are winning the third set of a tennis match that we were supposed to lose in two :) :) :)
http://www.englishblog.com/2009/01/cartoon-of-the-day.html#.Ug3Br38auSo
I have been saying for some time that solar activity reflects human activity, i.e. it reacts to Wall St. rather than the other way round. Obviously then, the major effort made by a commando from the future will have involved, as we have known all along here on Avalon, the calming presence of spiritually advanced beings. This, extending out in all directions, would be the cause not just of pockets of resistance to the NWO, but also not least of the Sun’s unexpected behavior.
gripreaper
16th August 2013, 06:30
There it is:
http://www.crystalinks.com/nibirureturn.jpg
lslimerick
16th August 2013, 11:16
No academic input here, just common sense.....I didnt come here to go live underground, I didnt come here to believe every fear feeding frenzy that arises, I came here knowing that whatever happens, happens, I add to it or I dont......With all the intellect and researchers on here, I often wonder how much common sense is applied.....regardless of whether you feel you are informing or preparing, its still all speculation and fear based at that.....how many of you here want to microwaved inside caves, do you honestly believe that if the sun does what you are saying, that digging a hole in your back yard will protect you from cooking on the inside????? Do you want to be in the subways of NY.....you all are sounding like every movie that was sent to ignite your programmed minds......take a step back for a second....no matter how well intentioned a whistleblower may be, they dont know if its true or not, its what they have been programmed to believe.....we here, pride ourselves on being here for this moment in time, yet you want me to believe that I should stock toilet paper.....who owns the toilet paper, who owns the diggers you need, who owns the food....you want me to give them more money for something that is absolutely not going to happen, you know why? Because I wont buy into it and all i need is 10% to have that opinion.....seriously folks you are feeding them. Have any of you thought about the fact that they know its their time to exit? That they will be fried, that we have been receiving energy blasts for the last few years that are upgrading us......who says I will fry if the solar activity peaks.....I am willing to bet I wont need sun block....can I know for sure - no way, but thats the beating in my heart...thats my knowing....these dudes have already taken over this planet, they have already done what they can, they have already sold out...why, because we are doing our jobs, we are remembering, we are awakening, we are permitting our higher connection to assist, not come and save us - ASSIST US.....They are now just trading their last few items, grabbing as much as they can....providing as much mayhem as they can....fuelling up their tanks is how I see it. And if I am wrong, then fry me....I have zero desire to live in a bunker.....Now can we all get on with the jobs we are here to do.....switch off your intellectual desire to know everything, you will never, not here and focus on the job at hand.....Just so you know, I love reading all your posts, all of them....but sometimes you are so off the path its not even funny and I know that for sure, dont ask me why, cause I cant prove it, I just do.....now is the time to centre, balance and root yourselves to this planet, you are the anchors....x
Bill Ryan
16th August 2013, 12:48
you got that exactly right.
they are playing from a viewpoint of where the planet would have went if those from the future were not here preventing it all from happening again.
While this may sound way-off-the-wall, Jim might not be crazy here, not by any means. I've had several very detailed perceptions of beings from the future trying to help (and also trying to interfere). And I don't think I was crazy, either, and have spent quite a long time trying to make sense of it all. There's a LOT of evidence that ETs have been trying to warn quite a large number of chosen contacts of possible futures, some of which do not appear to be very good news.
And how do THEY know? All the evidence indicates, again, that many ET races are not constrained (in either travel and/or perception) to this slowly-moving fixed point in the time continuum, like being stuck in one carriage of a slowly-moving train. They appear to be able to move around much more freely than we can. That may open up vistas of possible futures to them that we cannot see.
Dan Burisch insisted that this was the case, and before Dan's relationship with Camelot was abruptly curtailed, I counted him as a personal friend: sincere, intelligent, funny, sensitive, kind and caring. He was not a crazy man, either.
Dan and his entourage have now taken themselves almost completely off the alternative media map, but there was fire behind all that smoke, and a catastrophe that was possible a few years ago might well have been averted. Whether we are out of the multidimensional woods yet is the question we're all looking at here. Remember that the PTB may be trying to make their own sense of all this, too.
AuCo
16th August 2013, 17:24
Bill seems like a very nice guy with some great ideas to go with a really great understanding of what's going on in the world.
That saying I'm completely unconcerned at catastrophic earth changes taking place because I don't think it will happed and if it does its completely outside of our control.
I am slightly concerned with Bill continually spreading this message of fear. There is no doubt Bill is extremely influential towards the people of this forum. In light of that I think it would be far more worthwhile to focus peoples attention on positive aspects of creation. We are well aware of Bill's views as to an impending disaster but is a continual effort to drill it into peoples consciousness really necessary?
Thank you for the compliment! But I'm not intentionally 'spreading fear'.
As I wrote in another post, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712939&viewfull=1#post712939)this is nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind. If I'm guiding a client on a mountain, and I sense an avalanche danger, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.
I would not be trying to make my client afraid. I'd be wanting to take the best possible care of him so that he'd return to his family safely at the end of a memorable adventure.
.. and the Svalbard Seed Vault?
Thank you! I enjoyed that response. It's a very good one.
Honest answer: I don't know. I'm still working to figure it all out.
My honest questions back to you. If you were one of the global controlling elite,
What might your vision and plans be?
What might your problems be, and what would you be doing to solve them?
Well, Bill have a feeling that we are prepping for war with ET. The planet X thing is just an add-on problem. I don't think we are prepping because of big Earth geological changes though.
skippy
16th August 2013, 19:20
We are far from a coherent analysis of facts here. In order to take appropriate actions, better information is required than the information presented in this thread. Nice entertainment, but nothing more than that.
MariaDine
16th August 2013, 21:18
The Predictions of the brzasilian medium Chico Xavier from 1986.
My friends the translation is from Google. It's just for you to get a general idea.
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http://www.saindodamatrix.com.br/archives/2011/05/profecias_de_chico.html
The Spiritualist newspaper Folha May 2011 brings a revelation in 1986, by the medium Francisco Cândido Xavier about the future reserved for planet Earth and all its inhabitants in the coming years. The revelation was made Geraldo Lemos Neto, founder of Casa de Chico Xavier de Pedro Leopoldo (MG) Vine and Light Company, but only now he decided to speak.
The "funny" is that I did not at first reading I put a lot of faith in this "prophecy", but as I read I was getting too serious. That's because the parts marked in bold hit EXACTLY what Oracle had spoken in the past decades. Much of what she said I shared in posts and comments on the old blog (the comments have been lost forever, but some people still remember me talking about the coming of refugees coming to Brazil, is not it?). The posts are still around, or will be published (one, 2004, has now been published, which speaks of future devices to communicate with the dead). And much of what she said it was supposed to happen, by the end of the millennium and the beginning of the decade, but it did not happen for reasons that even she knew.
This is a summary of the interesting points of the text. The full text can be read in the specimen No. 439, year XXXV, May 2011 Folha Spiritist:
"Long carry this burden with me and always worried in the sense that Chico Xavier did not talk all that story in this edition of Folha Spiritualist aimlessly, but with a specific purpose. At the time of the conversation that I describe in the following pages, I felt mi'nha mind that was receiving treatment for different mnemonic that came not to forget those prophetic words, and that in due course of the future, I would be called to witness it.
I was fortunate to live in intimacy with Chico Xavier, talking to him again and again, in the morning, on varied subjects of our common interests, notably on throbbing clarification about the Doctrine of the Spirits and the Gospel of Jesus. One of these subjects was compared to Revelation in the New Testament. Since then, in our conversations, Chico Xavier always had a word or two about the enlightening subject, punctuating this or that verse and making me realize, gradually, the time of transition through which it passes our planetary orb, the path of regeneration . "
In these conversations, remembering the book Brazil, Heart of the World, Fatherland of the Gospel, written by the spirit Humberto de Campos, Chico Lemos Neto expressed his doubt as to the title of the book, since even at that time, in the mid-80 , Brazil was grappling with hyperinflation, poverty, hunger, large social disparities, lack the political and economic, not to mention the corruption scandals and cultural backwardness.
"I remember, like today, the expression of surprise Chico answering me: 'Now Geraldinho you are wanting privileges to the Fatherland of the Gospel, when the founder of the Gospel, which is our Lord Jesus Christ, lived in poverty, surrounded by sick and needy of every kind, experienced all sorts of vicissitudes and persecution to be tortured almost abandoned by his closest friends and die crucified between two thieves? Let us not forget that the founder of the Gospel went through all sorts of trials, suffered martyrdom the cross, but then he dropped the cross and rose again to life Immortal This should serve as a roadmap for the Fatherland of the Gospel. Someday we will resurrect from the ashes of our own sacrifice to demonstrate to the world the glorious immortality! '
Following our conversation, I asked Chico exactly what he wanted to say about the sacrifice of Brazil. Was he predicting the future of our nation and the world? Chico thought for a moment, as if glimpsing distant scenes, and after some time, he returned to tell us: 'Do you remember, Geraldinho, Emmanuel's book The Path of Light? In the final pages of the narrative, in ch. XXIV, entitled Spiritualism and Great Transitions, it stated that Emmanuel selfless and enlightened spirits spoke of a new community meeting of the angelic powers of the Solar System, which is a member of Jesus divine, and that the heavenly society is meet for the third time in the atmosphere, since Christ received the sacred mission to redeem our humanity, to finally decide again about the fate of our world.
Well then, Emmanuel wrote it back in 1938 and I am informed that this meeting in fact already occurred. It was when the man finally entered the planetary community, leaving the soil of the terrestrial world to step first lunar soil. Man, by his own effort, earned the right and the possibility of traveling to the moon, a fact that has materialized in July 20, 1969. On that occasion, the Governor Spiritual Earth, which is our Lord Jesus Christ, hearing the appeal of other angelic beings of our Solar System, recalls a meeting to discuss the future of our planet. What can I tell you, Geraldinho, is that after many debates and dialogues between them were given several suggestions and the final heavenly conclave, the goodness of Jesus decided to give one last chance to Terran community, one last moratorium for the current civilization on planet Earth. All injunctions karmic planned to take place at the end of the twentieth century were then suspended by the Mercy of God, so that our world had one last chance to moral progress.
The curious thing is that we will recognize in the Gospels and in the Apocalypse exactly this current period, in which we are living, as the eleventh hour or the last hour, or even a last minute call. '
I asked him about what was then the deliberations of Jesus, and he answered me: 'Our Lord decided to grant a moratorium of 50 years of earthly society, starting on July 20, 1969, and thus ending in July 2019. Jesus commanded, so that your heavenly emissaries would engage more directly in the maintenance of peace among peoples and nations land, in order to collaborate so that we ingressássemos fastest in the solar system planetary community as a more regenerated, the end of this period. Some powers other angelic orbs of our Solar System feared the extension of the term extra, and it was then that Jesus, in his wisdom, decided to establish a condition for men and nations forefront of land. According to the imposition of the Christ, the more developed nations of the earth should be responsible and learn to bear each other, respecting differences among themselves, refraining from launching a nuclear war of extermination. The face of the Earth should avoid at all costs the call World War III. According to the decision of Christ, if and only if the earthly nations, during this period of 50 years, to learn the art of good fellowship and brotherhood, avoiding a war of nuclear destruction, the earthly world was finally admitted to the planetary community of the Solar System as a world regeneration. None of us can predict Geraldinho, advances that will from that date of July 2019, only know how to defend the peace between our nations more developed and educated! '
I asked then to Chico that advances he meant and he replied: 'We will achieve the solution to all social problems, as the solution to poverty and hunger, which will be extinct, the discovery will cure all diseases of the physical body by advances in genetic manipulation of Medicine; earthly man will have broad and full access to information and culture, which will make more widespread; also our brothers from other planets have evolved over the express permission of Jesus to we present openly collaborating with us and offering us new technologies, unimaginable to our current stage of scientific development, we will make devices that facilitate the contact with disembodied balls, allowing our nostalgic conversation with loved ones who have departed for the afterlife, and finally we would be facing a new world, a new Earth, a glorious phase spiritualization and beauty to the fate of our planet. '
Then, sometimes doing the devil's advocate, I asked him: Chico, until now you have told me only the best, which is on this earth that mankind would remain in peace until the end of that period of 50 years. But what happens if the case is of earthly nations launch a nuclear war? 'Ah! Geraldinho if humanity embodied decides to follow the unfortunate path of World War III, a nuclear war of unpredictable and disastrous consequences, then there own mother earth, under the auspices of the Greater Life, react violently unforeseen by our men of science. Man War III would begin, but who would end it would be the telluric forces of nature, the earth itself tired of the mismanagement of humans, and then we would be faced with massive earthquakes, tidal waves and waves (tsunamis) consequential would see the explosion of volcanoes there long extinct; thaws would face devastating avassalariam that the poles of the globe with tragic results for coastal areas due to rising sea levels, and in this case, the volcanic ash associated with harmful nuclear radiations eventually become totally uninhabitable entire northern hemisphere of our globe. '
But what would happen specifically with Brazil?
According to the psychic, 'in all the two situations Brazil fulfill its role in the great process of spiritualization planetary. At best, our nation will grow in importance sociocultural, political and economic to the community of nations. Not only will we be the granary of food and raw materials for the world, but also the great energy source, with the discovery of vast oil reserves make Petrobras that one of the biggest companies in the world. Brazil will grow by leaps and bounds and will occupy an important role on the global stage, it will result in the increase of Brazilian culture to the international scene and the trailer, the books of the Christian Spiritualism, which had fertile soil here in its development reach the interest of other nations. Now, in case of the worst, with the northern hemisphere of the planet becoming uninhabitable, would form large migratory flows then to the Southern Hemisphere, where is Brazil, which would then be called more directly to play its role in the Homeland Gospel, exemplifying love and renunciation, forgiveness and spiritual understanding before the migrant people.
The New Age of the Earth, in this case, it would take more time to arrive with all its splendor of scientific achievement and moral, because it would take another long period of rebuilding our nations and societies, forced to reorganize themselves in their most basic fundamentals. '
According Chico told me, what was left of the UN eventually decided the invasion of the nations of the Southern Hemisphere, including therein obviously Brazil and the rest of South America, Australia and South Africa, in order that our nations were occupied militarily and divided among Holocaust survivors in the Northern Hemisphere. This is where we Brazilians would be called to exemplify the true Christian brotherhood, understanding that our brothers in the North, although the invaders "mano militare", there would no longer be burdened and afflicted with the terrible consequences of war and catastrophes telluric, and thus still must be considered the way our brothers in need of support and breadwinner, understanding and love.
At this point in the conversation, Chico paused in the narrative and added: 'Our Brazil as we know it will be so disfigured and divided into four separate nations. Only a quarter of our territory will remain with us and will remain only the Brazilian Southeastern States, added to Goiás and the Federal District. Americans, Canadians and Mexicans occupy states in the north of the country, in line with Colombia and Venezuela. Europeans will occupy states in southern Brazil uniting them to Uruguay, Argentina and Chile. Asians, especially Chinese, Japanese and Korean, will occupy our Midwest, in connection with Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru. And finally, the states of the Brazilian Northeast will be occupied by the Russians and Slavs. We can not forget that all this intricate process has its spiritual ancestry and we are forced to recognize that we have much to learn from the invaders. Take, for example, Americans can teach us respect for the law, the right to love, to science and to work. Europeans, in general, may bring us love to philosophy, classical music, education, history and culture. Asians may incorporate to our people their highest notions of respect to duty, discipline, honor, the elders and the ancient traditions. And then finally, we Brazilians ofertaremos them, our brothers in the flesh, the highest values of spirituality, mercy of God, treasure up in the heart and brotherly friend of our humble and simple people, the good people who reincarnated in large Brazilian nation to comply with God's plan and demonstrate to all peoples of the world the faith in Senior Living, witnessing the continuity of life beyond the grave and serene and noble exercise of mediumship with Jesus. '
According Chico Xavier, Brazil does not have privileges and also suffer the effects of earthquakes and tsunamis, particularly in coastal areas. It turns out that, according to the medium, the impact here will be much lower compared with that cometh in the northern hemisphere of the planet.
Another decision of the spiritual benefactors of Greater Life was that determined after the dawn of the year 2000 of the Christian era, the spirits hardened in evil and ignorance no longer receive permission to reincarnate on earth. Reincarnate here, from that date, amount to a valuable prize fair, intended only to spirits stronger and prepared, who knew hoarding, in the course of multiple reincarnations, spiritual achievements relevant as meekness, gentleness, love of peace and fraternal concord among peoples and nations. Fits into this higher order programming own reincarnation of the spiritual mentor of Chico Xavier, the spirit Emmanuel, which, in fact, came to be reborn, according to Chico informed varied closest friends, exactly in 2000. All other spirits, recalcitrant evil, would then, from 2000, directed necessarily at the worlds latest reincarnation of atonement and aspérrimas evidence, or even in primitive worlds, experiencing even the caveman stage, in order to purge their excesses and insubordination to his superior designs. Chico Xavier had knowledge of these worlds to where spirits were being recalcitrant convicts. According to him, the greatest of these planets or call Kírom Quírom.
Emmanuel himself through Chico Xavier, responding to an interview published in the book already tells us that the prophecies are revealed to men not to be fulfilled. They are actually a big warning for spiritual we move away from us and we improve the worst-case path.
Bill Ryan
16th August 2013, 21:27
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Maria, thank you, but this is way too much to plough through (especially in very broken Google-translated English). :)
Can you kindly give us a two- or three- sentence summary of what Chico Xavier said, and what this is about?
MariaDine
16th August 2013, 22:31
Chico Xavier points out that none can predict...one can only see major optional paths...
HERE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS :)
«....... a moratorium of 50 years of earthly society, starting on July 20, 1969, and thus ending in July 2019.....
--- during this period of 50 years, to learn the art of good fellowship and brotherhood, avoiding a war of nuclear destruction, the earthly world was finally admitted to the planetary community of the Solar System as a world regeneration. None of us can predict advances that will from that date of July 2019, only know how to defend the peace between our nations more developed and educated! '
the more developed nations of the earth should be responsible and learn to bear each other, respecting differences among themselves, refraining from launching a nuclear war of extermination
if humanity embodied decides to follow the unfortunate path of World War III, a nuclear war of unpredictable and disastrous consequences, then there own mother earth, under the auspices of the Greater Life, react violently unforeseen by our men of science.
Man War III would begin, but who would end it would be the telluric forces of nature, the earth itself tired of the mismanagement of humans, and then we would be faced with massive earthquakes, tidal waves and waves (tsunamis) consequential would see the explosion of volcanoes there long extinct; thaws would face devastating avassalariam that the poles of the globe with tragic results for coastal areas due to rising sea levels, and in this case, the volcanic ash associated with harmful nuclear radiations eventually become totally uninhabitable entire northern hemisphere of our globe. '
Brazil ....will ...be the granary of food and raw materials for the world, but also the great energy source, with the discovery of vast oil reserves make Petrobras that one of the biggest companies in the world.
Now, in case of the worst, with the northern hemisphere of the planet becoming uninhabitable, would form large migratory flows then to the Southern Hemisphere, where is Brazil,
the UN eventually decided the invasion of the nations of the Southern Hemisphere, including therein obviously Brazil and the rest of South America, Australia and South Africa, in order that our nations were occupied militarily and divided among Holocaust survivors in the Northern Hemisphere
Brazil as we know it will be so disfigured and divided into four separate nations.
Only a quarter of our territory will remain with us and will remain only the Brazilian Southeastern States, added to Goiás and the Federal District. Americans, Canadians and Mexicans occupy states in the north of the country, in line with Colombia and Venezuela.
Europeans will occupy states in southern Brazil uniting them to Uruguay, Argentina and Chile. Asians, especially Chinese, Japanese and Korean, will occupy our Midwest, in connection with Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru. And finally, the states of the Brazilian Northeast will be occupied by the Russians and Slavs.
Brazil does not have privileges and also suffer the effects of earthquakes and tsunamis, particularly in coastal areas. It turns out that, according to the medium, the impact here will be much lower compared with that comet in the northern hemisphere of the planet.
All other spirits, recalcitrant evil, would then, from 2000, directed necessarily at the worlds latest reincarnation of atonement and harsh evidence, or even in primitive worlds, experiencing even the caveman stage, in order to purge their excesses and insubordination to his superior designs.
Chico Xavier had knowledge of these worlds to where spirits were being recalcitrant (would be) convicts. According to him, the greatest of these planets is called Kírom Quírom.
TODD & NORA
17th August 2013, 03:38
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Nanoo Nanoo
17th August 2013, 03:56
The Roll out is planned over the next 30 years.
it is outlined in one of my threads.
i believe this guy believes what he is saying.
i dont think anybody truly undestands the whole plan.
depopulation will happen to those who do not take the time to open their eyes. those stuck in greed and financial traps. the rest is busness as usual.
survival of any threat regardless of where they say its coming from , which is always debateable , is something of an evolution in thinking. getting back to basics.
living with earth instead of against it.
dont live in fear , just go get it , whats stopping you right now ? fear ? whats keeping you fearful ? reading about fear ? the guy Miguel has one very good point and if anything you should take away with you is this. STOP READING AND DEBATING S#!T THATS ALREADY HAPPENED ! GET OFF YOUR BUMS AND MAKE PLANS AND ACTION NOWWWW ! GO AND MAKE YOUR RETREAT , CREATE WORKING GROUPS ! LEARN TO COMMUNICATE AND GET ALONG , MAKE SMALL GROUPS OF EFFECTIVE PEOPLE AND FORGET THE GOVENTMENTS , JUST MAKE IT , JUST DO IT !!!!
Guess whre im off to now ? looking at land for my retreat ! see you in 24 hours after i have gotten that one step closer to making my own eden.
Naniu
on a side note, remember the old saying , do not sh oot till you see the whites of their eyes ? its for two reasons this was said , firstly for aim and range of the weapn, secondly it was most importantly to identify the mark or alegged foe... be careful who you sh oot at , make sure you KNOW who they are first.
araucaria
17th August 2013, 07:11
We are far from a coherent analysis of facts here. In order to take appropriate actions, better information is required than the information presented in this thread. Nice entertainment, but nothing more than that.
I’m sorry Skippy, I couldn’t disagree more :)
We are beginning to find out why Bill keeps sending us these doom-and-gloom threads: it is because he can’t get his head round the idea that the controllers have made a huge mistake over the underground bases! Jiminii and his J-Rods (new rock band ;)) are the answer! We have all been forgetting that we are play-acting – which was necessary until now. We need to remember this now and recall that the plot is all about deception of the controllers, not so much by humans from the future captured in underground bases, but by their brothers operating incognito on the surface: us.
I mentioned in a previous post how the David Wilcock saga fitted into this picture. The post referenced below expands on this analysis, and suggests that Steven Greer is probably doing something rather similar.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62212-Wisdom-Teachings-with-David-Wilcock-on-Gaiamtv.com&p=716026&viewfull=1#post716026
Others are operating as white hats from the inside, i.e. the inside of the inside, for as earthlings we are all operating from the inside. Waking up is not for other people; it is for the self-proclaimed awake who are still behaving as if they weren’t actors playing a part in a play within a play (a device used by Shakespeare’s Hamlet). Being awake to what is going on in the world is of little use if we don’t even understand our own involvement.
onawah
17th August 2013, 08:26
You are giving away the whole plot!! :tape::drama: :lol:
A book I read long ago called The Master Game (Mastery of Self) said that the only play in the game that's a mistake is simply the refusal to play.
skippy
17th August 2013, 08:44
I’m sorry Skippy, I couldn’t disagree more :)
We are beginning to find out why Bill keeps sending us these doom-and-gloom threads: it is because he can’t get his head round the idea that the controllers have made a huge mistake over the underground bases! Jiminii and his J-Rods (new rock band ;)) are the answer! We have all been forgetting that we are play-acting – which was necessary until now. We need to remember this now and recall that the plot is all about deception of the controllers, not so much by humans from the future captured in underground bases, but by their brothers operating incognito on the surface: us.
I mentioned in a previous post how the David Wilcock saga fitted into this picture. The post referenced below expands on this analysis, and suggests that Steven Greer is probably doing something rather similar.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62212-Wisdom-Teachings-with-David-Wilcock-on-Gaiamtv.com&p=716026&viewfull=1#post716026
Others are operating as white hats from the inside, i.e. the inside of the inside, for as earthlings we are all operating from the inside. Waking up is not for other people; it is for the self-proclaimed awake who are still behaving as if they weren’t actors playing a part in a play within a play (a device used by Shakespeare’s Hamlet). Being awake to what is going on in the world is of little use if we don’t even understand our own involvement.
Don't worry Araucaria, you have clarified your reasoning and I thank you for that.
Regarding the idea that it is all about the deception of the controllers, I don't know, but I can imagine that the controllers don't worry a single bit about the dollars spend on their life assurance underground. I'm sure they've done their ROI projections including some sooner or later scenario's (they probably call it a long-term capital investment). In addition, they probably don't know either about the existence of D. Wilcock. Again no science here, but pure speculation, to stay in-line with the contents of this thread ;-)
“Au moment même où tout est perdu, tout est possible”
― Emmanuel Lévinas
araucaria
17th August 2013, 09:21
You are giving away the whole plot!! :tape::drama: :lol:
A book I read long ago called The Master Game (Mastery of Self) said that the only play in the game that's a mistake is simply the refusal to play.
Until of course you reach the endgame and the end of the game. Game over, play again? Yes/No
Many people who have been taking it far too seriously and finding it not all that much fun might prefer to play something else. They are literally looking for a game-changer.
Others might want to carry on. That can surely be arranged. But one play in any game that would be a mistake for me would be to trust a book that Onawah read long ago called, of all things, Mastery of Self :)
The higher reality is that we are amid a compendium of games, that is where we are and no mistake.
Conchis
17th August 2013, 11:25
I'm with you Nanoo. It's not about reading this to become scared to death, it's about here's a clue. People wake up in the morning and go to work, not out of fear of starving, but rather as a plan of how to carry on. I've been thinking about building an earthbag house for about a year now. It has walls that are made totally of earth taken right from the building site that are about 18" thick. It's built using a very natural more-or-less organic form that is both mechanically stable, but easily confirmed using a chain and a stake. It has huge thermal mass so that it takes almost nothing to heat and stays relatively cool even in extreme heat. The piece of information in this post just encourages me a little more to go ahead with this plan. Good luck finding your piece of property Nanoo!
Gardener
17th August 2013, 13:20
That sounds like the voice of reason, practical, and at the same time encouraging.
Preparation no matter how small like bags of pasta, porridge and water, is just common sense. I remember a few years back there was a tanker strike over exessive price rises, petroleum tankers blockaded major refinery access roads. It took 3 days for the supermarkets to empty, the fuel stations to empty. Problems speedily brought everything to a standstill and a speedy resolution to the strike.
Because I was brought up by folks who lived through 2 world wars, their preparedness store methods were inculcated in me, and these short term shortages have never really affected me. My family were farmers and market gardeners so I learned some stuff from them over time, (even might be in the genetics I think).
So I grow stuff, preserve and pickle, dry, save seed, I consider myself fortunate to be in this position it may all end with a massive cometary bombardment, followed by years of obscured sun where no growing takes place. I take what comes and work with it if I am still around.
Preparation and storage is a no brainer, keep sharing, keep caring.
Read the following article, "The Calm Before the Shift":
http://www.zengardner.com/the-calm-before-the-shift/
eaglespirit
18th August 2013, 00:42
We are far from a coherent analysis of facts here. In order to take appropriate actions, better information is required than the information presented in this thread. Nice entertainment, but nothing more than that.
I’m sorry Skippy, I couldn’t disagree more :)
We are beginning to find out why Bill keeps sending us these doom-and-gloom threads: it is because he can’t get his head round the idea that the controllers have made a huge mistake over the underground bases! Jiminii and his J-Rods (new rock band ;)) are the answer! We have all been forgetting that we are play-acting – which was necessary until now. We need to remember this now and recall that the plot is all about deception of the controllers, not so much by humans from the future captured in underground bases, but by their brothers operating incognito on the surface: us.
I mentioned in a previous post how the David Wilcock saga fitted into this picture. The post referenced below expands on this analysis, and suggests that Steven Greer is probably doing something rather similar.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62212-Wisdom-Teachings-with-David-Wilcock-on-Gaiamtv.com&p=716026&viewfull=1#post716026
Others are operating as white hats from the inside, i.e. the inside of the inside, for as earthlings we are all operating from the inside. Waking up is not for other people; it is for the self-proclaimed awake who are still behaving as if they weren’t actors playing a part in a play within a play (a device used by Shakespeare’s Hamlet). Being awake to what is going on in the world is of little use if we don’t even understand our own involvement.
Thank You Araucaria, very good...and prompted me to 'chime in' here.
We have all been forgetting that we are play-acting – which was necessary until now.
This resonates powerfully with me and I have lived by this premise quietly for years and years.
The bottom line is not to be quiet any longer and 'live' this conclusion from a 'higher' place at a calmly quickened pace, now.
Our 'current' involvement matters tremendously!
...
You are giving away the whole plot!! :tape::drama: :lol:
A book I read long ago called The Master Game (Mastery of Self) said that the only play in the game that's a mistake is simply the refusal to play.
Until of course you reach the endgame and the end of the game. Game over, play again? Yes/No
Many people who have been taking it far too seriously and finding it not all that much fun might prefer to play something else. They are literally looking for a game-changer.
Others might want to carry on. That can surely be arranged. But one play in any game that would be a mistake for me would be to trust a book that Onawah read long ago called, of all things, Mastery of Self :)
The higher reality is that we are amid a compendium of games, that is where we are and no mistake.
My answer. "No"
...but go elsewhere and anywhere needed to help Others 'stuck' in the game that have been dealt an obnoxiously-overly-stacked deck of cards.
araucaria
18th August 2013, 07:55
My answer. "No"
...but go elsewhere and anywhere needed to help Others 'stuck' in the game that have been dealt an obnoxiously-overly-stacked deck of cards.
Thank you eaglespirit, my answer too. And this help may involve upgrading the software by disabling one or two of the more egregious features of the current release.
onawah
18th August 2013, 08:05
More of this discussion here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62212-Wisdom-Teachings-with-David-Wilcock-on-Gaiamtv.com&p=716387#post716387
chocolate
18th August 2013, 08:34
I read through the whole 8 pages so that I could come across araucaria's words. They are also my words. I understand why Bill feels obliged to share. Sometimes we get to the right conclusion by talking about it.
I agree with the idea that we must not get in fear mode. The whole picture is far more complex. Insiders or not. And in the whole picture I see some of us standing still as giant rocks and in this way helping everyone else who gets to run around. And jim's words always come in my mind that some of us are here exactly to become those calm areas of peace and wisdom.
Please, don't panic and don't fear. What you read is not the whole story.
mischief
18th August 2013, 09:09
With regards to under ground bunkers.
I had an interesting conversation with someone 2 years ago. They had helped weld up weak spots in our boat cradle when we had to haul our boat out for repairs.
This person had been approached to do work on under ground bunkers. Work he had done previously.
He was concerned about the fact that he was not required to sign any contract and that there was no nondisclosure clause to agree to, which was not normal procedure and asked my opinion of this.
I told him to head for the hills,not to work for them if this was not how things were normally done.
This was 2 years ago.
When I mentioned this to my brother, his first response was to tell me that I should not be talking about this even to him.He had a friend who used to do this sort of work 5 years earlier and already knew all about it. Apparently there are many of these bunkers throughout New Zealand and elsewhere on the planet.
I believe there is going to be some sort of major upheaval, but have no intention of ever going deep underground,certainly not here in NZ.I see that as a death trap.
5 years ago I had what I called my fright- the sun rose half an hour later than it did two days before.
I knew that this was not normal and had a bit of a melt down over it.
Since then I have calmed down considerably and have spent alot of time researching as to what I had experienced and what to do about it.
I believe that we will be going through some major upheaval in the not too distant future, when exactly? ah, I dont know.
I have tried to tell others about this, but have since given up. Only 2 understand what I having been trying to say. 1 had seen the moon rise only to dip back down again and also looking for answers as to what they had witnessed. The other is my mother, your mum is always batting for you ...right?
It hasnt been easy living two separate lives, the normal one and the one where you prepare for something you hope never happens.
On one hand, I understand the anti doom and gloom viewpoint, on the other, is it doom and gloom? If this is a normal cyclic event, sort of like a hurricane, but on a global scale,is it doom and gloom to get ready for it ? ...or just common sense?
deridan
18th August 2013, 13:58
we are a specie, we don't always operate in our best interests, but we are a specie never the less,
& preserve in this case our numbers
* otherwise in for a thousand years of $h*t
Sloppyjoe
19th August 2013, 03:45
Don't worry guys. Crap like this has been predicted so many times and nothing ever happens. I'm not a skeptic, I'm just saying that ET has a great interest in us and they are working behind the scenes to ensure that we continue to survive for a long time. This planet is a nursery for souls, they won't let anything happen that upsets the illusion, period.
Anchor
19th August 2013, 04:03
I hope nothing happens to the sunshine! I just finished my solar system :eek:
A few months to bed it all in and make sure its working well and then I can finally tell the energy supplier to shove his "poles and wires" service charge where the sun most definitely is not shining and never will.
Nanoo Nanoo
20th August 2013, 02:20
I'm with you Nanoo. It's not about reading this to become scared to death, it's about here's a clue. People wake up in the morning and go to work, not out of fear of starving, but rather as a plan of how to carry on. I've been thinking about building an earthbag house for about a year now. It has walls that are made totally of earth taken right from the building site that are about 18" thick. It's built using a very natural more-or-less organic form that is both mechanically stable, but easily confirmed using a chain and a stake. It has huge thermal mass so that it takes almost nothing to heat and stays relatively cool even in extreme heat. The piece of information in this post just encourages me a little more to go ahead with this plan. Good luck finding your piece of property Nanoo!
There is a lot of great info on here , check out RMAUSER's sutainable living gardens, he has gone to much trouble to present sustainable food crops.
The next thing you want to learn is to still grain alcohol. You can make it out of any potato or corn scraps. Then you have heating alcohol , fuel alcohol and if you get good at it something to warm you inside as well.
Then you want to look at where you live geographically. Think of renting somewhere thats nice, out of major cities, even some place remote. You want to get away from electromagnetics like microwave wifi signals etc. Right now my PC has canned 6 wifi networks in range of my position.. thats a lot..
Set up a survival box with some basic dried foods, rice, candles , warm clothes, basic first aid kit , maybe a tent or sleeping bag, about 4 litres of water( minimum ) you want this ready to put in your car in case. Its always god to have one and pretty cheap to set up. You may need it for any reason, just go ahead and have one set up, you will feel better because you will be prepared.
Then once you have all this stuff in place go and enjoy your life. Just go and be happy , do good things for each other and live.
Whatever plans they got going on they are obviously comitted to.. combing onfo on it is interesting but wont help much in terms of early warning. When they decide to hit it will come with zero warning like a succer punch. It could happen .. and maybe it wont .. dont live in suspence .. live.
Naniu
Kari Lynn
20th August 2013, 06:10
I've only read the first 2 pages. Still lots to read yet. But is interesting. I still can't watch video at home, and limited at the library. lots of things of interest for me that I would like more info on, but mention of the 45-70 rifle made me smile. That is the weapon my son first learned to hunt with. It's a god rifle and as the man says, it's good for taking down a bear, moose, buffalo, etc. it's a fun weapon. But it's would not be my first choice if in a fire fight.
1st. Bear and buffalo don't shoot back, if they did, or if there were hundreds of bears coming at me at once, I'd want something auto or semi auto.
2nd ammunition availability.
Most every one that I know, that owns this weapon has the same problem with getting ammo. It's old, or a replica
Kari Lynn
20th August 2013, 06:17
Silly cell phone won't post only so much.
Every one I know that owns a 45-70 reloads their own ammo.
Myself if I had to chose a weapon for self defense, I think I stick with M-2 50 cal. full auto with detonating or explosive rounds, large clips or belt. On a mount. (it's heavy) lol
Some thing to carry, probably M-4
Bullets should be easily assessable. Should be lol
Bill Ryan
21st August 2013, 14:51
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This morning I got very upset, saying: SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I never get that emphatic unless I'm sure of my ground. But I have no data.
Half an hour later, a friend sent me this:
http://enenews.com/unprecedented-sockeye-salmon-at-dire-historic-low-may-entirely-shut-down-fishery-on-canadas-west-coast-we-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean-the-elders-have-never-seen-anything-like
I am still upset.
Ron Mauer Sr
21st August 2013, 15:22
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This morning I got very upset, saying: SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I never get that emphatic unless I'm sure of my ground. But I have no data.
Half an hour later, a friend sent me this:
http://enenews.com/unprecedented-sockeye-salmon-at-dire-historic-low-may-entirely-shut-down-fishery-on-canadas-west-coast-we-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean-the-elders-have-never-seen-anything-like
I am still upset.
Can anyone summarize? I cannot connect using that link. Maybe it is too busy.
Billy
21st August 2013, 15:30
http://enenews.com/unprecedented-sockeye-salmon-at-dire-historic-low-may-entirely-shut-down-fishery-on-canadas-west-coast-we-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean-the-elders-have-never-seen-anything-like
Unprecedented: Sockeye salmon at dire historic low on Canada’s Pacific coast — “We think something happened in the ocean” — “The elders have never seen anything like this at all” — Alaska and Russia also affected (MAP
Aboriginal people in British Columbia who rely on Skeena River sockeye are facing some extremely difficult decisions as sockeye salmon returns plunge to historic lows.
Lake Babine Chief Wilf Adam was on his way to Smithers, B.C., on Monday for a discussion about whether to entirely shut down the food fishery on Lake Babine, something he said would be drastic and unprecedented [...]
Last month, the department noted returns for the Skeena River sockeye run were dire. [...]
[Mel Kotyk, North Coast area director for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans] said department scientists don’t know why the return numbers are so low. “[...] we think something happened in the ocean.”
“[...] We’ve never seen anything like this in all these years I’ve done this. I’ve asked the elders and they have never seen anything like this at all.” [said Chief Wilf Adam]
(on the same page)
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Cognitive Dissident
21st August 2013, 16:29
Fukushima is the subject of other threads, but the leaking water is NOT the worse problem. The worst problem is that there are 3 huge lumps of corium underneath the reactors (somewhere) which are having ONGOING nuclear reactions...
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2013/08/alert-black-blob-over-daiichi-evidence.html
Bubu
22nd August 2013, 00:12
Any advanced technological species out there eyeing Terra with an intent to invade is going to have to deal with a planet with a substantial number of Clears and near-Clears aware of who and what they are and what needs to be done to maintain human control of this planet. That is why they aren't trying to invade us outright. They're trying to kill us subtlely and slowly,.
This brings back to mind how good intention of a single person can be so powerful that it can defeat bad intentions of millions.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=230&Itemid=71
That once any of the good guys became aware of ongoing fatal attack could unleash the power of junk DNA's and create miracles. So yes I am convince that they are killing us softly, unaware, being very careful not to unleash the creative power within each individual.
my bet is on us as well.
Good point Dennis What's the point of living when almost all of the plants and animals are fried. Well we can party for a day or two with all those fried stuffs. and die slowly of hunger afterwards.
I'll party right now.
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Lucky me I am growing volvariella volvacea mushrooms It can be grown on dead and decaying leaves and harvest time in just twelve days.
get you spawns now!!!!
mindreeder
23rd August 2013, 17:12
The motion picture "Elysium" is more than just science fiction. It has a powerful message that we should all heed: The gross income disparity worldwide can push humans to do terrible things. History has taught us that much. Perhaps being mindful that We(humanity) will need a radical lifestyle change to salvage what little we can to survive.
Bill Ryan
23rd August 2013, 17:36
I hope nothing happens to the sunshine! I just finished my solar system :eek:
And then you rested on the seventh day! :)
:focus:
Kari Lynn
24th August 2013, 04:54
Interesting Bill, Thank you.
What's sad is that, people have been warning of stuff like this for several decades. Nobody pays any attention until it's too late. Salmon could be affected by so much. Higher heat level, warmer ocean generally affect cold water fish mortality rate. Nuclear accident could have some effect also. Magnetic pole change definitely could have an affect, they are migratory fish. (notice any thing with birds lately?)
Haarp, what else? As Bush would have likely said, Lucky me, I have a trifecta. :rolleyes:
Taurean
24th August 2013, 06:41
I'm posting an extract of an email I received yesterday
Message sent on behalf of the Home Office.
The Home Office operates a national telephone system which is used during a major disaster or major incident. They will be conducting tests of their system on 10th September and they are looking for volunteers to assist.
This would involve making repeated telephone calls to a free 0800 number between 10am and 11am on 10th September. This is to test the robustness of their system in dealing with a high volume of calls.
The day before we received an information pack from the local Council on preparedness for disasters, ostensibly because we live in an area close to reservoirs and if they were breached we would likely be affected.
Just now I've listened to this,
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sirdipswitch
27th August 2013, 13:07
Peace, all is well and happening as it should...
pyrangello
27th August 2013, 13:41
I listened to the veritas interview, I'm one to connect the dots , but these dots from this interview seem to be stretched oblong and fuzzy. It always cracks me up some of the stories told. But even in the most outlandish stories there is usually one or two things you can pick up that may or may not have some merit. This one however is a cool aid moment at its best .
Sidney
27th August 2013, 13:48
The motion picture "Elysium" is more than just science fiction. It has a powerful message that we should all heed: The gross income disparity worldwide can push humans to do terrible things. History has taught us that much. Perhaps being mindful that We(humanity) will need a radical lifestyle change to salvage what little we can to survive.
Anyone who has seen Elysium, absolutely has to watch this. "Evacuate Earth", a national geographic documentary, that documents the very plan, for a real life Elysium.
If You HAVE seen Evacuate Earth, but not Elysium, then I recommend seeing it. (I recommend it anyway, its a good movie, regardless of the fictional vs truth debate). My opinion is Elysium is fiction mixed with truth. As is most media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipCtIyWsL4
Ron Mauer Sr
27th August 2013, 17:48
Peace, all is well and happening as it should...
Sirdipswitch,
That is a very safe statement coming from the point of view of Source.
But do you have any details that may be useful for those who may want to make choices, based on trusted information, concerning preparations to make their lives more comfortable?
Kari Lynn
28th August 2013, 03:49
Some thing my dad always instill in me was to always think positive. Things will always get better. Of course he wouldd sigh and roll his eyes when I'd say something like, "I AM being positive! I'm positive that whole situation is going to blow up in my face!"
No matter how much I tried, I never could get more than a shake of his head and a sigh. Lol
But my own opinion on preparedness is again from an old saying my dad probably didn't say himself, but taught me. "Be prepared for the worst, but hope for the best.
Because I'm Christian, I do put alot of stock into things of the bible. Not that I'm preaching, or trying to sell it to others. Heaven knows, I don't even know what A God or Jesus is. Just that as a historical reference from people of that time, it seems they've came up with 7 yrs for preparedness a few times in the bible.
Which is an interesting number, consider that the crop areas seems to follow a cycle of approximately 7 years for most growing regions. At least that's what a few farmers in this area have told me.
Money is probably going to be the key factor here. This isn't the'50's any more. Not every one had a victory garden in their back yard and a cow or goat on a leash in the front. Most people have enough food and daily necessities for 3 days to a week. Living paycheck to paycheck. I know I am. The banks have people right where it hurts. And I'm experiencing it right now.with trying to get my disability appealed. I've been told that they will make a decision in October. In the mean time, i've no money to pay my house payment, phone, etc...
So no, I wasn't prepared. Food, water, shelter is good, but without money, you may get kicked out of your shelter and some one else would be earring your food and water. So save up 3 to 6 months cash along with and food store too
Andre
3rd September 2013, 00:22
Sorry Bill, but I no longer listen to fear mongers like Miguel. He may be the real thing in terms of being a government contractor which, as you assert, gives him some "authority" to reveal what he considers to be "helpful warnings" but in reality, it is nothing more than spin to perpetuate the fear agenda. Even if he believes these global disaster scenarios along with many of his fellow insiders, it does not mean it is going to eventuate. How easily we surrender our God given power over these things and give it to people like Miguel. Sorry, I don't buy it! I am more powerful (as are we all) than Miguel and his fear mongers. I choose that this will not eventuate. I choose not to give it my energy or focus of attention and I choose that fear is dissolving and leaving our planet alltogether! So be it!
ThePythonicCow
3rd September 2013, 01:06
Sorry Bill, but I no longer listen to fear mongers like Miguel. He may be the real thing in terms of being a government contractor which, as you assert, gives him some "authority" to reveal what he considers to be "helpful warnings" but in reality, it is nothing more than spin to perpetuate the fear agenda.
I doubt that your reality controls our world. I doubt that we can banish evil by ignoring it. Our attitudes and our manner of engagement with the world about us do matter, but not (in my view) in the manner your words describe.
sygh
3rd September 2013, 02:33
Pesticides in the urbanized waterways causes pre-spawn death in Coho salmon. Its not Fukushima but it's almost just as bad.
http://www.esajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1890/090142
Bill Ryan
3rd September 2013, 02:39
Sorry Bill, but I no longer listen to fear mongers like Miguel.
Actually, what impressed me was how afraid Miguel was NOT.
He certainly wasn't trying to spread fear. He was very matter-of-fact -- even relaxed. That got my attention.
He had the demeanor of a very real person who had been living with this reality for many years. That suggested (to me) that it might be smart if we were to listen carefully.
mojo
3rd September 2013, 02:53
He certainly wasn't trying to spread fear. He was very matter-of-fact -- even relaxed. That got my attention.
That would get the attention for sure, not having fear and going into whatever is going to happen like you mention Miguel was... that's worth seeking in this day and hour...
Bill Ryan
3rd September 2013, 02:55
He certainly wasn't trying to spread fear. He was very matter-of-fact -- even relaxed. That got my attention.
That would get the attention for sure, not having fear and going into whatever is going to happen like you mention Miguel was... that's worth seeking in this day and hour...
Yes -- do listen to the audio:
http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_%28MJ12%29_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3
SilentWarrior
3rd September 2013, 07:27
as far as i can tell, we're already in the process of this event, we're in the mid of it, and I'm saying this because of the information from my research i have, that's why we can see now the unfolded events going on Syria and Mideast.
SilentWarrior
3rd September 2013, 07:35
Sorry Bill, but I no longer listen to fear mongers like Miguel.
Actually, what impressed me was how afraid Miguel was NOT.
He certainly wasn't trying to spread fear. He was very matter-of-fact -- even relaxed. That got my attention.
He had the demeanor of a very real person who had been living with this reality for many years. That suggested (to me) that it might be smart if we were to listen carefully.
you got that right bill, we all need to gather all the information out there and put them together until it makes sense of it, it's very interesting what one can find (as i did).
Mark (Star Mariner)
3rd September 2013, 13:38
Yes this really was an interesting listen, thanks Bill. I have to echo the statements of others here, in that Duff is oh so irritating in his interruptions, and the personal tangents he then creates that seemed to (deliberately?) steer the conversation along a different course.
ruthy
3rd September 2013, 23:10
I listened to the radio session, I admit that after the first 15minutes, i just skipped to when Miguel called in...gordon duff was a bit all over the place, first its about aliens looking to take over, then it's about fattening us up, then it was about vietnam and then 9/11...I understand where he was trying to go, it was just a little hard to pay attention to.
The miguel caller, was interesting. He did sound credible, and the fact that he sort of brushed off the importance of an alien race coming here, as being not as important as the issue of us trying to survive because of earth changes occurring.
Our planet is definitely going through some intense changes, almost every plate is now active..and this is a new trend, look at earthquake activity in the past, even last year, and maybe you would see a few plates active, mostly around the ring of fire...now it's all over the place.
Another important issue, how come our scientists are no longer keeping track of where magnetic north has moved to? The last calculation that was posted online was in 2010. There have been some independent researchers who have posted some very interesting youtube videos where they are showing that magnetic north has moved in an extreme way, and even more so over the last 6 months.
If there is an alien race looking to take advantage of our planet when we go through a drastic natural cataclysm, there is nothing we can really do about that. Miguel was right, why worry about that, when first you have to worry about your own well being and your families well being in surviving this event.
It was a very interesting radio interview, and I thank Bill Ryan for posting it.
Smell the Roses
4th September 2013, 14:15
...but in reality, it is nothing more than spin to perpetuate the fear agenda. Even if he believes these global disaster scenarios along with many of his fellow insiders, it does not mean it is going to eventuate.... I choose that this will not eventuate. I choose not to give it my energy or focus of attention and I choose that fear is dissolving and leaving our planet alltogether! I agree. Most of us do not have the resources available to buy an old underground missile base. So we are just going to have to make a stand for love and light where we are. I totally agree with the idea of storing some extra food and water and being prepared for the grid to go down. I also believe we need to create a positive reality in our immediate environment and refuse to give in to their fear-mongering. I mean I've been in and out of thinking it's the End of the World as We Know It for several decades now. I think I'll try something new and stop thinking that.
Atlas
6th September 2013, 09:08
(3:12: Duff interrupts: can you say what branch of the government you worked for, or what organization?)
Miguel (3:18): On air, no, and not on this time specifically, but I can say that I bought a missile base east of Denver years ago because I’ve worked with people, upper management, that closed down the Denver airport, and...
There are 6 missile bases east of Denver, they were decommissioned in 1965 and later acquired by public and private owners. 3 of those bases are publicly owned and 1 is now available for sale (http://www.missilebases.com/denver) so that we have only 2 options left:
Intercontinental ballistic missile facility 724-C, 21 miles SE Denver, 39°39′57″N 104°29′38″W, formerly operated by the 724th Strategic Missile Squadron, USAF.
Intercontinental ballistic missile facility 725-A, 25 miles SSE Denver, 39°35′15″N 104°27′42″W, formerly operated by the 725th Strategic Missile Squadron, USAF.
You can see them on this map:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Lowry_AFB_Titan_I_ICBMs.png/640px-Lowry_AFB_Titan_I_ICBMs.png
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Option 1: Complex 724-C
http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/missile/724A-big.jpg
http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/missile/lowry-titan1-1C-big.jpg
September 23, 2004, an interesting article about the site as well as Ed Peden was published entitled "Home Security, Better living through science on the prairie southeast of Denver"
December 7 2004 the Denver Post printed an article about this site, which stated the owner is Utah-based investor Ian England who purchased the site from another private owner in 2001 (note that the site was for sale on missilebases.com around February 2002 for $600,000).
April 13 2005, the Denver Post ran another article stating the site is still for sale for 1.5 million dollars.
July 17 2005, for sale on eBay, item number 4394247896 and listed by the Fuller Company for US $1,295,000.00.
November 16, 2009, it was seen to still be for sale on eBay for $2,800,000, item 250528011355.
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Option 2: Complex 725-A
http://web.archive.org/web/20060208001341/http://www.auctionrp.com/auctions2/graphics/item/PIC_-_8_reg.jpg
http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/missile/lowry-titan1-2A-big.jpg
http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/missile/bt1.gif
In 1978, ownership of the property was transferred from the GSA (General Services Administration) to the Department of Army. The 30-minute topo map (July 1981) says "MIL RES".
On January 1, 1983, a 25-year lease commenced for continued use of the property by the CoANG (Colorado Army National Guard). The 7.5-minute topo map (July 1992) shows the site, with a marker near the entrance labeled "Range RM2".
September 17, 2006, this site was for sale (http://web.archive.org/web/20060302165320/http://www.auctionrp.com/auctions2/default.cfm?action=viewAuction&catId=3299) by the GSA :
SALE OF GOVERNMENT REAL PROPERTY - Bennett Army National Guard Facility
On-Line Auction - SALE NO. ARMY-R-1529 - Current Bid: $30,000.00
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/Bennett_IFB_January17_2006.pdf
The property consists of 242.42 acres. It includes 219.52 acres of undeveloped land and an underground missile complex (22.9 acres).
Access and usage restrictions apply to the underground complex. NO ONE CAN ACCESS, USE or DIG in that area.
Since there are restrictions on the underground complex, this property is best suited for bidders who have an interest in the adjacent VACANT LAND.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/Titan1.pdf
The environmental covenant summary was available at www.cdphe.state.co.us/hm/covenant/bennettang.htm and listed (as of July 10, 2006) the owner's name and address but the link no longer works.
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The Denver International Airport was closed in 2003:
During the blizzard of March 17–19, 2003, heavy snow tore a hole in the terminal's white fabric roof. Over two feet of snow on the paved areas closed the airport (and its main access road, Peña Boulevard) for almost two days. Several thousand people were stranded at DIA.
and in 2006:
Another blizzard on December 20 and 21st, 2006 dumped over 20 inches (51 cm) of snow in about 24 hours. The airport was closed for more than 45 hours, stranding thousands.
Question: which facility did Miguel buy ?
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Related video: "Lowry Air Force Base, an underground city"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9USFS3hoE
Related article:
For sale: a Titan missile complex, slightly used, armed with nuclear family potential (Photos) (http://www.examiner.com/article/for-sale-a-titan-missile-complex-slightly-used-armed-with-nuclear-family-potential-part-1)
Meesh
6th September 2013, 10:36
YES!! This is what millions of us are here to do! So (insert alarm clock sound here) . . . it's time to wake up!:o
.....now is the time to centre, balance and root yourselves to this planet, you are the anchors....x
Dorishaktiblue
6th September 2013, 14:55
Thank you Bill, for turning me on to another amazing two hours of knowledge and enlightenment. What I took away from this exchange, (and I listened to the complete program) is the strong sacred masculine, exemplified by the hosts and the callers, including Miguel.
It didn't make my hair stand on end. I was happy to know that these were MEN, real men who through their experience and intelligence could see the danger and now were preparing to do what men can do best, defend their homes, their women, their children and others weaker than themselves who depend on them.
Gordon, as a veteran, has seen how he has been bamboozled, sent to war to kill and rape and torture innocents in Viet Nam. He read a letter from a dying Iraq war vet eloquently indicting Bush and Cheney for war crimes. Then Gordon said something that earned my respect. "I don't abhor killing. I abhor killing the wrong people. Now im ready to kill the right people."
I listened to this program this morning, after watching you and Kerry interview Steven Greer last night (from 2009?). Dr Greer's work turned me on to this whole genre of knowledge and I am grateful to him for that. But I was cheering Kerry and yourself, for standing up to his somewhat overblown ego and irrational counter claims, to your very rational arguments. Kudos to Kerry for standing her ground, when he started the interview with an obvert misogynist wisecrack, in an attempt to throw her off balance immediately.
I spent last weekend with some new friends, also long time meditation practicioners etc. The time I spent with them was very unpleasant and I realized quickly that the friendship would go no where. When I arrived back home, I came upon a utube radio program called New Age Bull**** and the Suppression of the Sacred Masculine. The first three minutes were all I needed to hear. The remaining 7 hours were detail. The host's name is Mark Passio.
I realized that my new friends and other new friends from my satsang, were wizards at this suppression: We must never fight anyone. All problems can be solved by sending the evil doer love. If people die or suffer physically it doesn't really matter because we are all souls anyway and we came in agreeing to the experience we are going to have. We should never hold others accountable. We should never defend those weaker than ourselves. We only need to take care of ourselves. On and on and on.
These people live only in the right brain and ignore the left. Fascist live only in the left and ignore the right. Either mode is a form of brain damage and is extremely dangerous. People who suppress the sacred masculine become sheeple, and will go along with anything because we mustn't fight, or confront evil.
In closing I say THANK YOU BILL for the link. I hope your hair is resting comfortably again. Just keep doing your work. Take care of yourself and your family. Its nice to know these guys are here in the USA, in the belly of the beast. I will certainly contact them as a possible safe haven for myself and my loved ones if I haven't left the country before the poopy hits the fan.
Lots of love to you and Kerry,
One fighting Irish woman,
Dorishaktiblue
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Dear All:
I listened to an extract from a Mike Harris and Gordon Duff 21 March radio show a couple of nights ago, and a caller phoned in who was clearly an insider (probably a government contractor, who seemed to be a geologist). He asked to be called Miguel.
The entire show is here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YEGfExrDw0I
The 21 minute extract of the caller's contribution is here. It starts at 1:03:00 on the recording of the entire show.
http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_(MJ12)_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_%28MJ12%29_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3)
Miguel was on the air for 21 minutes, and offered a range of information, extremely credibly, that made my hair stand on end. He seemed both plausible and credible.
In an extraordinary series of intriguing snippets — many of which Gordon Duff interrupted and therefore remained incomplete — Miguel stated that huge earth changes were on their way (and hinted that they would not be man-made or natural), combined with food shortages that will make people want to be in the FEMA camps to be fed. Not only that, but there would be solar problems that would require people to be underground for short periods of time.
And much more besides, including a non-human threat that we might not even want to think about.
Miguel said that we have to unfocus on everything we spend so much wasted time talking about, and focus on organizing to hunker down to survive, because it's the only important question. He stated that ETs and politics really don't matter at all compared with that.
Most of this would seem so extreme as to be laughable, but the worrying thing is that he came across as so highly credible. He said he'd called in to the Mike Harris show before, so I'd like to ask members here if they can assist by digging out other shows where he may have been on air. What he says needs to picked apart word by word.
Here's the transcript of the important parts of those 21 minutes. I've emphasized what I felt were the critical parts in red bold italics.
* For those who may not know what a '45-70' is, it's a high-powered classic rifle first made in 1863, like this. (http://home.comcast.net/%7Eutspoolup/levers3.JPG)
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Miguel (1:35): I am a person who, I consider one of the few, who KNOWS the truth of the topic. I believe maybe yourself [to Gordon Duff] and Mike [Harris] are BELIEVERS because of information, but because I have... my background... there is no dispute, and the issues that you’re talking about about alien races and the upcoming future.. the 45-70 is a good round for any kind of a…
(2:10: Gordon Duff interrupts)
Miguel (2:16): but here’s the thing that I wanted to bring up to you guys and just throw out: you just talked about Jim Fetzer and the Kennedy assassination. Well, me being in the know, with UFOs... I’ve lived though 3 or 4 decades with the reality that most of the people I would ever talk to would think I’m crazy, and so you don’t talk, and you learn, and you live life, well here, president Kennedy, we are still spending thousands upon thousands of hours of our precious time debating the truth to a matter.
Now, the reason why I bring that up is I lived a life of UFO reality, I lived a life working for the government knowing they’ve spent trillions of dollars preparing and interacting with our reality…
(3:12: Duff interrupts: can you say what branch of the government you worked for, or what organization?)
Miguel (3:18): On air, no, and not on this time specifically, but I can say that I bought a missile base east of Denver years ago because I’ve worked with people, upper management, that closed down the Denver airport, and...
(3:39: Duff interrupts: can you tell us how much work there is underground in the United States, how many acres do we have underground, how many feet underground are we working? Is that in your bailiwick?)
Miguel (3:52): No, and if it was, I wouldn’t say it, because I wouldn’t be able to say it again tomorrow if I said it today. But I will say this: I sat and had dinner with the president of the largest tunneling company in the world, and this is a few years ago, and I was actually the chief engineer in a large design-build project and he was a sister company, that was owned by HBG, that’s an English... the largest construction company in the world, or one of them, but he, the tunneler, I was trying to get on a job that normally would have taken two months to tunnel through a mountain.
Well, we got the job, and they were done in two WEEKS — with the tunneling aspect. So what I’m trying to say to you guys is that yes, the technology is far beyond what we've seen from the 60s, and we hear all this stuff about 7 miles a day and huge cities, but what I’d like to bring to the forefront, to the Veterans Today and the Rense crowd, is that with the Earth changes that are coming up, we have to have an ability to be underground for short periods of time because of SOLAR activity.
If you’re two miles underground, or you’re in a tunnel going Mach 5, you know, from place to place, and there’s, let’s say, a significant earthquake, I don’t think I’d want to be in that tunnel going Mach 5, because a little bit of a shift and you’re toast. So the idea is that all these underground bases, that's really not an issue for us, nor is it really a solution.
But there are solutions which is the reality that yes there are aliens, yes they are here because the world is about ready to go through a weakening process as far as the catastrophes that are about to be pushed upon us which are not man-made, and it’ll make it an opportunity for the re- ... let’s say, the re-inhabitation of the hidden alien races that have been here — in a small extent — they’ve been hidden because there's too many of us… you know, we control the planet, basically.
After the catastrophes, the Powers-That-Be think that it’s an opportunity to take over. And when you talk about… you know, the last caller talked about genetics, and history, and that's all really interesting, and there's so much truth to it…
(6:33: Duff interrupts with a question about bloodlines)
Miguel (7:01): There’s a lot more to that subject that I know and that I could really talk about, but yes, it’s there.
(7:07: Duff interrupts again)
Miguel brings the conversation back to what he wants to talk about, 8:20): My problem is: I have a son, you have a son, Mike has a son, and Mike, you are worried more about your son and his hopefully children, and so am I about my son and my hopefully grandchildren, than I am about myself, and thinking and talking and spending all my time about what happened yesterday isn’t really helping THEM.
And what I'm trying to say with my knowledge of KNOWING — and I don’t CARE abut the aliens, I don’t! — I have weapons that maybe will help if I ever have to meet with them, but that's NOT my problem today.
My problem today is they are here because we are going to get caught with our pants down, and a lot of that is because the power brokers are taking… you know, e-ticket rides, it’s been used over and over — they have their e-ticket rides to what they think they’re going to survive these upcoming years. And believe me…
(9:19: Duff interrupts again — he says he has definite verification that there’s a group that thinks they’re going to survive, and the rest of us aren’t)
Miguel (9:38): Well, everyone's heard of the Georgia Guidestones. Think about the idea that if there’s only 500 million of us left, based on war and catastrophe, not just Earth Changes, or just man-made — but then it’s a manageable planet for the other race, and they will use us as their slaves and food.
And that's the plan. And believe me, what I’m trying to say to everybody is let’s say, “Oh My Gosh, what do we do?” Well, it’s real simple. We have Veterans Today. We have all the skills, all the people, we have hundreds of thousands of Americans that… I mean, I have a missile base that can be created that could support thousands of people, not in the missile base, but we could, by refocusing, if we only knew what was about to happen, if we just refocused, we don’t try to recreate the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the United States, we just take care of ourselves, and if we have 100, or 200, or a million of us, they can’t not let us alone.
(10:49: Duff interrupts, missing the point and changing the subject)
Miguel brings it back on topic again (13:54): Gordie, I know, But bringing it back to Mike, what I'm saying with the drones or the this, I'm trying to get back to instead of fighting the Big Ship that the government or the hidden agendas, why don’t we try to take care of our own and get some of those contracts. Now, I'm not trying to say…
(14:18: Duff interrupts)
Miguel (15:19): But Gordie […] (15.41) what I'm worried about are Americans and potentially hundreds of millions of people on board with trying to feed themselves, house themselves, and grow their families, and the way to do that is to actually identify that UFOs — we don’t need to focus on, we don’t need to worry about it. Let TV do that, let the sheeple worry about aliens.
We need to worry about the upcoming problems that you and your intelligence can tell you is real — that is, how are we going to feed our children. And clothe them, and keep them away from the FEMA camps, because they’re starving.
(16:23: Duff interrupts)
Miguel (17:33): two comments real quick, Gordie…
(17:37: Duff interrupts again, enthusing about the 45-70)
Miguel (18:44): you know, I love it. I have a 45-70 because it’ll take down a grizzly bear, and it’ll take down a rhino, and it’ll take down anything bigger than a human being, that might not be a human being, that comes on the planet. But, it takes a special round to do that: you have to add copper, and a few other items to the actual bullet itself.
(18:08: Duff interrupts again)
Miguel (18:11): Hey, but here’s the thing I want to leave you guys with, because you have other callers. I was on a research vessel before the years you’re talking about when the government ramped up into what they’re… the undergrounds, and all that.
I actually had the head geologist, which was one of the premier geologists in the world at that time on this research vessel, come out and have me look at a slide that we had just drilled and cored, and he showed me the magnetic flips of the planet.
Now, we’ve all heard about the magnetic changes and in our history about pole shifts, and magnetic flips. This was the most premier geologist in the world at the time and he was so fearful that he had to come out, and I was the first person that he could grab to show what he had, the thin slide of the rock, in black light to show the magnetic reversal of the iron ore.
But he was so fearful of what he was seeing, and what I'm trying to say to you is forget the aliens so much, forget politics so much, really understand that what is important is far greater — and that’s survival.
hyundisonata
6th September 2013, 19:25
Come on guys waken up, this guy is a nobody repeating his paranoia. If true about his missile base then he just gave you his name and address so check the land registry if they have one in the USA. Ok there is a lot of truth in his story but its truths that have been floating around the net for years, underground bases, solar maxim, earth flip etc it’s nothing new. Yes there is a major disaster coming and I will even give you the clock for it, RAF Kirknewton Scotland, as soon as it is refurbished and the army, air force and sections of the navy are based there then that’s doomsday if you can call it that. This area is one big underground base run by the USAF and all the tunnel work in the area was done by a company named Murphy’s same company behind the channel tunnel. I first learnt about what was coming from ET hence why I now have a seat in a hotspot right above the base along with planning survival the last few years for my family and animals that is secure in its height above sea level and is a basin surrounded by hills, I have my own underground spring, lots of timber etc. front row seats for the big show. And don’t fall for the conspiracy junk such as I refuse to give my name or they will kill me lol its junk nothing more and used mostly by those who are doing as this guy is doing. My name and address is freely given on the net and apart from being followed or fake police arrests etc I have come to no harm because I do not play the secrets game. If someone has something to say then say it and stop playing their game by their rules as you wont win, as for the coming disaster the IPPC have been planning for years for this event and those in the northern hemisphere stand the best survival rate although to stop migration from the southern hemisphere they intend to shoot to kill along a dividing line across Europe as the north cannot sustain the south and that’s the reality behind survival.
Atlas
6th September 2013, 20:23
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Dorishaktiblue
7th September 2013, 16:59
This forum is such a great way to share knowledge and to network. Anyone who can think of a way to get Avalon/Camelot people together by location on earth, who are interested in a sheltered community, as mentioned in the radio program, without posting information that should remain secure, please do it.
Just watched another of Bill's talks: the informal session at the Zurich conference. I love the way you described a Spiritual Warrior, Bill, and reminded us that our true and superior power as human beings, is always non material.
Taking precautions to safeguard "the containers" is called for as well. Like they say in the middle east, "Trust God, but tie up your camel".
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Dear All:
I listened to an extract from a Mike Harris and Gordon Duff 21 March radio show a couple of nights ago, and a caller phoned in who was clearly an insider (probably a government contractor, who seemed to be a geologist). He asked to be called Miguel.
The entire show is here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YEGfExrDw0I
The 21 minute extract of the caller's contribution is here. It starts at 1:03:00 on the recording of the entire show.
http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_(MJ12)_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Race_-_Gordon_Duff_%28MJ12%29_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013.mp3)
Miguel was on the air for 21 minutes, and offered a range of information, extremely credibly, that made my hair stand on end. He seemed both plausible and credible.
In an extraordinary series of intriguing snippets — many of which Gordon Duff interrupted and therefore remained incomplete — Miguel stated that huge earth changes were on their way (and hinted that they would not be man-made or natural), combined with food shortages that will make people want to be in the FEMA camps to be fed. Not only that, but there would be solar problems that would require people to be underground for short periods of time.
And much more besides, including a non-human threat that we might not even want to think about.
Miguel said that we have to unfocus on everything we spend so much wasted time talking about, and focus on organizing to hunker down to survive, because it's the only important question. He stated that ETs and politics really don't matter at all compared with that.
Most of this would seem so extreme as to be laughable, but the worrying thing is that he came across as so highly credible. He said he'd called in to the Mike Harris show before, so I'd like to ask members here if they can assist by digging out other shows where he may have been on air. What he says needs to picked apart word by word.
Here's the transcript of the important parts of those 21 minutes. I've emphasized what I felt were the critical parts in red bold italics.
* For those who may not know what a '45-70' is, it's a high-powered classic rifle first made in 1863, like this. (http://home.comcast.net/%7Eutspoolup/levers3.JPG)
*******
Miguel (1:35): I am a person who, I consider one of the few, who KNOWS the truth of the topic. I believe maybe yourself [to Gordon Duff] and Mike [Harris] are BELIEVERS because of information, but because I have... my background... there is no dispute, and the issues that you’re talking about about alien races and the upcoming future.. the 45-70 is a good round for any kind of a…
(2:10: Gordon Duff interrupts)
Miguel (2:16): but here’s the thing that I wanted to bring up to you guys and just throw out: you just talked about Jim Fetzer and the Kennedy assassination. Well, me being in the know, with UFOs... I’ve lived though 3 or 4 decades with the reality that most of the people I would ever talk to would think I’m crazy, and so you don’t talk, and you learn, and you live life, well here, president Kennedy, we are still spending thousands upon thousands of hours of our precious time debating the truth to a matter.
Now, the reason why I bring that up is I lived a life of UFO reality, I lived a life working for the government knowing they’ve spent trillions of dollars preparing and interacting with our reality…
(3:12: Duff interrupts: can you say what branch of the government you worked for, or what organization?)
Miguel (3:18): On air, no, and not on this time specifically, but I can say that I bought a missile base east of Denver years ago because I’ve worked with people, upper management, that closed down the Denver airport, and...
(3:39: Duff interrupts: can you tell us how much work there is underground in the United States, how many acres do we have underground, how many feet underground are we working? Is that in your bailiwick?)
Miguel (3:52): No, and if it was, I wouldn’t say it, because I wouldn’t be able to say it again tomorrow if I said it today. But I will say this: I sat and had dinner with the president of the largest tunneling company in the world, and this is a few years ago, and I was actually the chief engineer in a large design-build project and he was a sister company, that was owned by HBG, that’s an English... the largest construction company in the world, or one of them, but he, the tunneler, I was trying to get on a job that normally would have taken two months to tunnel through a mountain.
Well, we got the job, and they were done in two WEEKS — with the tunneling aspect. So what I’m trying to say to you guys is that yes, the technology is far beyond what we've seen from the 60s, and we hear all this stuff about 7 miles a day and huge cities, but what I’d like to bring to the forefront, to the Veterans Today and the Rense crowd, is that with the Earth changes that are coming up, we have to have an ability to be underground for short periods of time because of SOLAR activity.
If you’re two miles underground, or you’re in a tunnel going Mach 5, you know, from place to place, and there’s, let’s say, a significant earthquake, I don’t think I’d want to be in that tunnel going Mach 5, because a little bit of a shift and you’re toast. So the idea is that all these underground bases, that's really not an issue for us, nor is it really a solution.
But there are solutions which is the reality that yes there are aliens, yes they are here because the world is about ready to go through a weakening process as far as the catastrophes that are about to be pushed upon us which are not man-made, and it’ll make it an opportunity for the re- ... let’s say, the re-inhabitation of the hidden alien races that have been here — in a small extent — they’ve been hidden because there's too many of us… you know, we control the planet, basically.
After the catastrophes, the Powers-That-Be think that it’s an opportunity to take over. And when you talk about… you know, the last caller talked about genetics, and history, and that's all really interesting, and there's so much truth to it…
(6:33: Duff interrupts with a question about bloodlines)
Miguel (7:01): There’s a lot more to that subject that I know and that I could really talk about, but yes, it’s there.
(7:07: Duff interrupts again)
Miguel brings the conversation back to what he wants to talk about, 8:20): My problem is: I have a son, you have a son, Mike has a son, and Mike, you are worried more about your son and his hopefully children, and so am I about my son and my hopefully grandchildren, than I am about myself, and thinking and talking and spending all my time about what happened yesterday isn’t really helping THEM.
And what I'm trying to say with my knowledge of KNOWING — and I don’t CARE abut the aliens, I don’t! — I have weapons that maybe will help if I ever have to meet with them, but that's NOT my problem today.
My problem today is they are here because we are going to get caught with our pants down, and a lot of that is because the power brokers are taking… you know, e-ticket rides, it’s been used over and over — they have their e-ticket rides to what they think they’re going to survive these upcoming years. And believe me…
(9:19: Duff interrupts again — he says he has definite verification that there’s a group that thinks they’re going to survive, and the rest of us aren’t)
Miguel (9:38): Well, everyone's heard of the Georgia Guidestones. Think about the idea that if there’s only 500 million of us left, based on war and catastrophe, not just Earth Changes, or just man-made — but then it’s a manageable planet for the other race, and they will use us as their slaves and food.
And that's the plan. And believe me, what I’m trying to say to everybody is let’s say, “Oh My Gosh, what do we do?” Well, it’s real simple. We have Veterans Today. We have all the skills, all the people, we have hundreds of thousands of Americans that… I mean, I have a missile base that can be created that could support thousands of people, not in the missile base, but we could, by refocusing, if we only knew what was about to happen, if we just refocused, we don’t try to recreate the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the United States, we just take care of ourselves, and if we have 100, or 200, or a million of us, they can’t not let us alone.
(10:49: Duff interrupts, missing the point and changing the subject)
Miguel brings it back on topic again (13:54): Gordie, I know, But bringing it back to Mike, what I'm saying with the drones or the this, I'm trying to get back to instead of fighting the Big Ship that the government or the hidden agendas, why don’t we try to take care of our own and get some of those contracts. Now, I'm not trying to say…
(14:18: Duff interrupts)
Miguel (15:19): But Gordie […] (15.41) what I'm worried about are Americans and potentially hundreds of millions of people on board with trying to feed themselves, house themselves, and grow their families, and the way to do that is to actually identify that UFOs — we don’t need to focus on, we don’t need to worry about it. Let TV do that, let the sheeple worry about aliens.
We need to worry about the upcoming problems that you and your intelligence can tell you is real — that is, how are we going to feed our children. And clothe them, and keep them away from the FEMA camps, because they’re starving.
(16:23: Duff interrupts)
Miguel (17:33): two comments real quick, Gordie…
(17:37: Duff interrupts again, enthusing about the 45-70)
Miguel (18:44): you know, I love it. I have a 45-70 because it’ll take down a grizzly bear, and it’ll take down a rhino, and it’ll take down anything bigger than a human being, that might not be a human being, that comes on the planet. But, it takes a special round to do that: you have to add copper, and a few other items to the actual bullet itself.
(18:08: Duff interrupts again)
Miguel (18:11): Hey, but here’s the thing I want to leave you guys with, because you have other callers. I was on a research vessel before the years you’re talking about when the government ramped up into what they’re… the undergrounds, and all that.
I actually had the head geologist, which was one of the premier geologists in the world at that time on this research vessel, come out and have me look at a slide that we had just drilled and cored, and he showed me the magnetic flips of the planet.
Now, we’ve all heard about the magnetic changes and in our history about pole shifts, and magnetic flips. This was the most premier geologist in the world at the time and he was so fearful that he had to come out, and I was the first person that he could grab to show what he had, the thin slide of the rock, in black light to show the magnetic reversal of the iron ore.
But he was so fearful of what he was seeing, and what I'm trying to say to you is forget the aliens so much, forget politics so much, really understand that what is important is far greater — and that’s survival.
Redstar Kachina
16th September 2013, 03:17
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Lifebringer
16th September 2013, 03:48
If shtf, just know me by this name or Bill my password. I will have the fruit orchards of apples, cherries, mangos, greens, cantelope, potatoes, tomatoes, cucumbers. I have the seeds for all. May end up being a vegetarian, but hey, food is food. I'm in VA, but heading for highlands/mountains, and hoping for some brotherly or sisterly love, but I doubt "i'll" get that in WVA if I have to go to duck tsunami's. When I survive, the planting, nurturing will be a good way to stay stable, and help others to eat.
Mt terrain farming if there's soil abundancy. I know how to compost and will gather all vegetation that dies, to have it to compost. Dry stores, and every year rotation for 15 years, passing through the dust from the tail's debrie.
Need to do more than just buckle up, for the bumpy ride. I think I'll start practicing the "forcefield bubble." Taht can sield from bombardment.
Lifebringer
16th September 2013, 03:53
You really don't know which way the planet is gonna flip, for all I know, we could end up where a new ocean may form.
Best to just know it's coming and focus for survival solution.
heretogrow
4th November 2013, 04:43
Hello All,
Tonight at a dinner party the conversation turned to conspiracy theories. Something that has never happened before with this group of people. There were some snickers from some friends who were totally unaware, but then one of the most serious and level-headed members of our party spoke up. She said that there is a fema camp set up in a neighboring city that has a building larger than a football field that has been stocked with nothing but bottled water. A friend of hers was hired to be a guard there. He told her that to be hired you must be a retired police officer or military and you must be registered to carry a gun as the stock is guarded round the clock by armed gaurds. He told her they each work in three hour shifts making twenty dollars an hour to walk around armed and do nothing but guard the stock of water. The conversation fell apart shortly after that and she appeared embarrassed by the fact that people laughed and ridiculed what she has to say. I asked her if some time soon we could get together and talk. I'll let you know more if I she has anymore information to share. We live in fema area three and many people are feeling something is up. Others, I am afraid, feel they are too intelligent to fall for conspiracy theories.
CarlS
21st May 2015, 01:58
Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.
enigma3
12th July 2016, 16:36
First post here. What a great community.
Miguel is right on with his comments. It was good to read someone else who sees this.
Earth changes that go beyond our small planet will have the most impact going forward. From the reading I have done we have started a magnetic pole shift. I first read about this 3 years ago. At that time the magnetic pole was moving toward Russia at 25 miles per year. The latest information is that the speed has increased to around 250 miles per year. It is speeding up at a very fast rate now. A weakened magnetic field will bring catastrophe to the planet. The ozone layer of protection will diminish substantially, gamma rays will increase in intensity (thus the warning to get out your sun screen) and we will be much more vulnerable to a solar uprising (EMP). We can see where the iron and crystals in the earth realign when a magnetic shift happens. The last major shift happened around 780,000 years ago. We have the mineral record of that change, dirt and dust to inform us of what to expect.
In addition, much longer cycles are and will impact us. It appears that the solar system rises and falls relative to the galactic equator and will soon complete a cycle and pass through the galactic equator. Much like the magnetic pole shift, no one knows exactly what will happen. Those in the know are aware of other cosmic cycles that are converging.
As the magnetic pole shift gets into high gear the earth will heat up much more. Weather extremes will be the natural order. Masses of people will get skin cancer and other wonderful diseases. When the final flip occurs, or when a solar EMP hits us directly with our magnetic shield weakened, it will indeed be time to go underground for a while. No doubt the powers that be have done supercomputer modeling on this. Perhaps that is why so many rich bastards have bought land out in the boonies and built semi-underground survival bunkers. And why our vaunted government and other countries are building DUMB's (Deep Underground Military Bases) as fast as they can. Underground cities up to a mile deep (gamma rays don't penetrate that deep with any force) with multiple layers that can hold up to 30,000 people.
The earth will go through a planetary reset. As the old seers predicted, there will be massive destruction by fire from heat due to a very weak magnetic shield. Heavens knows how many people will perish. Our government knows this and is not telling us what they know. They never do. No one seems to know the timing of this catastrophe, but all signs point to much sooner than later. As Miguel states, the alien problem is a small mosquito bite in comparison.
enigma3
12th July 2016, 16:55
Also, when we factor in the temperature rise due to the magnetic pole shift and (yes, related) the fact that the oceans are 30% more acidic than they were a mere 20 years ago, It demonstrates how big a red herring the whole global warming phenomenon is. The elitists are trying to divert our attention to the warming. Look here, not over here. If we look over there we see the oceans dying due to acidity. The warming is cosmically caused much more than man made. But the dying oceans are human caused. All the chemicals and raw sewage mess that the global elites do not want to pay the cleanup for. They almost never do. They love to seriously mess up the planet and not pay the cleanup bill. The superfund is a prime example of this. We aren't paying, so you folks are left with the bill. The most revered sushi chef in the world said recently that sushi would change forever in the next 5 years due to species die off. Tuna prices in Tokyo used to be sky high. Not so much anymore because of mercury in tuna. We are destroying the most important component on the planet and the rich elites do not want to pay for the cleanup. Just another way of taking more of your money.
janette
12th July 2016, 23:19
I seem to remember reading on the cassiopean transcripts website with laura knight jadycak...I think I spelt that wrong lol that when the changes occur it will be a very bad day on planet earth if your a rockerfella and a very good day if your Ghandi! I guess that means stick with the light guys and everything will be hunky dory..😊 having said that I don't know what to believe but I do know that there's no point going completely mental about and living in fear. Preparation is key,I have stored food and water ,water purification tablets,veggies growing in my garden,I keep chickens,vitamins. I don't have anywhere underground we could go,I should maybe discuss it with the husband but he thinks this is all totally nuts and as far as aliens go I just get the proverbial eye roll..sigh it's a lonely world when your awake 😕
findingneo
27th July 2017, 12:38
Sounds very interesting.
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