Does MMS damage DNA?

[enfoldedblue]

Hi,

I have been busy the last few months focusing on some deep healing issue. I will not go into details in this thread, as it is quite complex. But one of the significant issues that came to light is that likely many symptoms I have been experiencing stem from a chronic low grade infection. Possibly chlamydia pneumoniae (not the sexually transmitted disease), likely combined with candida and possibly other pathogens.

My diet is well researched and couldn't really be improved much (including probiotics and several supplements). For the infection I am taking: raw garlic, ginger, turmeric, high grade colloidal silver, propolis, royal jelly, olive leaf extract and Echinacea.

Since I have been a member on this site I have seen a lot of praise of MMS and decided to look into it. I found many individual accounts of people reporting great benefits from use, and in many ways it seemed like an ideal solution for eradicating infection quickly. However, as I was doing my research I came across the following article:

http://www.sott.net/article/213275-MMS-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-or-Trojan-Horse-Your-Body-and-DNA-Decide

The article suggests that MMS is highly dangerous and users risk damaging their DNA.

Here is an excerpt of the article:


Another way in which MMS2 can cause damage is through activation of 'evil' transcription factors. Free radicals such as hypochlorous acid and other toxins may cause transcription factors to initiate a series of genetic reactions that result in cancer. Transcription factors are proteins that facilitate gene expression - that is, they cause genetic material to do something. A particular transcription factor, NF kappa B, is influenced by free radicals or toxins which usually activate it. Once activated, this transcription factor goes into the nucleus of our cells where our DNA resides and may activate genes that might change a potentially malignant cell into an absolutely malignant cell [8]. Hypochlorous acid (MMS2) activates this infamous NF-kappa B transcription factor, especially in the absence of antioxidants like taurine [11,12]. NF-kappa B has also a crucial role in inflammation, and thus ultimately it induces illness. That MMS2 is promoted as a cure for cancer and many other illnesses is just plain baffling.

But that's not all, folks. It gets worse! In fact, hypochlorous acid (MMS2) has the power to chlorinate the building blocks of DNA, breaking the DNA double helix apart and thus interfering with its vital biological functions [13]. By the way, the new airport security scanners can break apart our DNA's double helix as well [14]. Do we see a pattern here?

Some claim that hypochlorous acid is hazardous only to intrusive germs, but there are actually studies that have determined that the properties of hypochlorous acid that make it such a potent bug killer agent can damage our bodies by the same mechanism used to destroy the invading pathogenic bugs [15]. One such study could not have a more appropriate name: "Living with a killer: the effects of hypochlorous acid on mammalian cells [15]."


It has been well documented that there are a variety of disorders tied to the deleterious effects of hypochlorous acid in our bodies including diabetes, obesity, depression, hypertension, gout, kidney failure, and autism, among other conditions [12]. This makes sense in view of our brief review of oxidation: wherever there is oxidative damage, there is disease. What is more, our brains have a high oxygen demand, and thus are particularly sensitive to oxidative damage. So it doesn't come as a surprise that our mind is often the canary in the coal mine. We often notice our body's first inflammatory effects through brain fog, memory problems, and insomnia. Hypochlorous acid has the potential to be extremely neurotoxic to our brains, where it literally oxidizes certain lipids and proteins, preventing them from performing their functions and contributing to neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease and Multiple Sclerosis [16]....

Dr. Gabriela Segura

Gabriela Segura, M.D.


For me, a person with very limited knowledge of MMS, this article is frightening and has made me reconsider including MMS in my healing plan.

If there are holes in the science presented here that others can see I would greatly appreciate a basic explanation.

I know there are several knowledgeable people on this site who are avid users of MMS.

I would love to hear people's thoughts.

Thank you

[ThePythonicCow]

The article suggests that MMS is highly dangerous and users risk damaging their DNA.

Here is an excerpt of the article:


hypochlorous acid (MMS2) has the power to chlorinate the building blocks of DNA
For me, a person with very limited knowledge of MMS, this article is frightening and has made me reconsider including MMS in my healing plan.

This article you quoted is about MMS2, hypochlorous acid. It is not about MMS, which in its active form is chlorine dioxide.

The good doctor Gabriela Segura has however also criticized MMS for the same reason, as in this article: MMS: Miracle Mineral Solution or Trojan Horse? Your Body and DNA Decide (http://www.sott.net/article/213275-MMS-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-or-Trojan-Horse-Your-Body-and-DNA-Decide).

Quoting from that article on MMS:

There are 20 drops in one gram, which means that the protocol may call for the ingestion of 3 grams or more of what amounts to household bleach.

As I previously explained in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60970-Dr.-John-Humiston-Great-interview-on-MMS--from-2007-&p=699805&viewfull=1#post699805), comparing MMS to bleach is misleading. The oxidation potential of MMS (its power to destructively bond with other molecules) is less than that of oxygen, whereas bleach is stronger than oxygen. The body rather obviously adapts to oxygen's presence; it's just the stronger oxidizers, such as bleach, that a particular challenge for the body's anti-oxidant mechanisms.

[enfoldedblue]

Right I don't know the difference between the two. I thought 2 was the updated better version...lol. The first half of the article is about MMS1...which is certainly not shown in a more positive light. Here is an excerpt from the first part of the article:


Each person is exposed to oxidants and each one of us has a variety of antioxidant defenses and DNA repair ability. These factors together determine the extent of oxidant-induced DNA damage in each of us, and the levels of such damage may well contribute to cancer risk, especially in tissues where other changes may have already occurred. But keep in mind that DNA protection is essential not only to guard us from cancer, but also because in all of our cells, DNA carries our ancestral identity and the instructions and information that maintain our bodies. We might also wonder what other special properties could be lying dormant in our DNA.


DNA poison

But for now, let's get back to MMS1, which is basically the combination of sodium chlorite and acetic acid (vinegar) or citric acid which together form chlorine dioxide (oxygenated chlorine). The toxic effects of chlorine dioxide are associated with those of sodium chlorite - a very strong oxidant that at a dose of 10-15 grams is considered to be lethal. Even small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea and vomiting. Now get this: the MMS protocol suggests that taking up to 60 drops per day is within reason. There are 20 drops in one gram, which means that the protocol may call for the ingestion of 3 grams or more of what amounts to household bleach. This is three times the amount required to produce nausea and vomiting and 20% of the amount required to kill you [2]. Even though we are told that nausea and diarrhea are positive signs of detoxification when following the MMS protocol, you can be sure that they are actually the way our body tells us that we've just been poisoned. If you happen to vomit, then be reassured that it might have saved your life by way of avoiding a lethal overdose of MMS! There are in fact several testimonials of negative side effects and at least one death related to MMS which you can easily find on the internet [2].


EDIT: Thanks Paul,

I just saw that you edited your post to address the first part of the article. So you believe that she is mistaken about all her claims based on the fact that she is mistakenly lumping MMS with bleach?

If you have the time I would really appreciate a bit more explanation on this.

Thanks

[ThePythonicCow]

Right I don't know the difference between the two. I thought 2 was the updated better version...lol. The first half of the article is about MMS1...which is certainly not shown in a more positive light. Here is an excerpt from the first part of the article:


... the protocol may call for the ingestion of 3 grams or more of what amounts to household bleach. ...
That's what I quoted from my link, comparing MMS to bleach.

As a rule of thumb, anyone making that comparison is trying to scare you off MMS, and willing to tell whatever lies are necessary for that end.

By the way, I wouldn't suggest taking 60 drops of MMS per day. I once got up to 15 drops for a few days, and probably bragged (my male ego is still robust) of my tolerance :). People without my substantial mass and tolerance probably shouldn't take even that much on a routine basis.

MMS has "just the right" oxidation potential - just strong enough to kill many pathogens, while being even more gentle on your human tissues than oxygen.

[ThePythonicCow]

I just saw that you edited your post to address the first part of the article. So you believe that she is mistaken about all her claims based on the fact that she is mistakenly lumping MMS with bleach?

If you have the time I would really appreciate a bit more explanation on this.
Now that I've read more of it , the entire piece reads like a hit piece.

[enfoldedblue]

Well I'm glad you read the whole article and aren't worried! You've made me feel better about experimenting Paul.

Thanks

[The Truth Is In There]

mms may be good for short term use to kill microbes if the body can't deal with them on its own (like malaria for instance). naturally, one should only use the minimum dose to get the required effect. i don't believe it will cause lasting damage then.

your medical issues should be analyzed based on the organs/tissues that are affected and the individual symptoms. in all but very few cases the body uses the help of bacteria, fungi and the like for certain programs that are running (and have probably gotten out of hand if you experience problems).

for example, if you have candida overgrowth that could be because you eat too many fruits. the body uses the help of candida to deal with excess fructose. using mms in such a case treats only the symptom, not the underlying cause.

[enfoldedblue]

Thanks truth is in there,

ATM I am eating no sugar, fruit (except lemon, grapefruit and a few raspberries), or dried fruit etc. I have been a sugar addict as long as I can remember. In the last few years I only ate healthy sugars...even baked with dates or honey or occasionally rapidura for sweetness. I always craved some form of sweetness. But now I have cut back hugely...basically none except maybe honey for a special occasion. Ohhhh how I look forward to having resolved these issues so that I can indulge in fruit again...and mmmmm honey !! though hopefully the cravings will have subsided.

I ordered some MMS and am going to give it a go.

Thanks guys :)

[etheric underground]

Hey sis if its an added assurance I have a box full of mms in a dark place for when it is required....I took it for a number of weeks...
I found that if you put any toxic substances in your body it got rid of them real quick..... I actually overdosed on MMS...Im an idiot, I got it to
quite a high dosage and one morning mixed way too much...I ended up feeling pretty bad doubled over in my car at work...but it cleared and i am fine.
it put me off finishing it as the smell is pretty terrible...best to take with organic apple juice ... I get arthritis and gout real bad ...hence the reason I was taking it.
My arthritis is killer at the moment ...so I may give it another shot...

[Shannow]

http://www.akzonobel.com/purate/why_purate/

[778 neighbour of some guy]

My arthritis is killer at the moment ...so I may give it another shot...

Some of it can also be absorbed by the skin by applying it topically, when you drink it the trick is to keep it in your bloodstream continuously in moderate doses, lets says 2 drops mms and two drops activator per 1.5 or 2 hours, the easiest way is just to prepare a water bottle for the whole day from which you take sips, a 16 drop mix in a 1 liter bottle would last you a maximum of 16 hrs, drink enough water in between to flush your system, no need to hurt yourself here or get nausea or diarrhea or herxheimer headaches. You can increase the dose if you can handle it.

[happyexpat]

For the infection I am taking: raw garlic, ginger, turmeric, high grade colloidal silver, propolis, royal jelly, olive leaf extract and Echinacea.

I understand being frustrated and impatient and wanting to be well quickly... However, as a non-professional, this is a huge number of varied things to be taking at once. Some of it may be counteracting other items, and causing you to take a lot longer to recover.

I recommend you pick one aspect of what you are dealing with and tackle it first. If you are dealing with candida, I would work only on diet for that and deal with everything else first. Candida can take a while to treat. Diet alone can treat it with enough time.


ATM I am eating no sugar, fruit (except lemon, grapefruit and a few raspberries), or dried fruit etc.

Really read over the MMS instructions super carefully. Absolutely no Vitamin C or it will make it inactive. Seriously, though... If you're going to do the MMS, I would quit the other stuff. I think I have seen some stuff on taking colloidal silver with MMS, but not sure. You could research it on the MMS forums (http://g2cforum.org).

[enfoldedblue]

Hey sis if its an added assurance I have a box full of mms in a dark place for when it is required....I took it for a number of weeks...
I found that if you put any toxic substances in your body it got rid of them real quick..... I actually overdosed on MMS...Im an idiot, I got it to
quite a high dosage and one morning mixed way too much...I ended up feeling pretty bad doubled over in my car at work...but it cleared and i am fine.
it put me off finishing it as the smell is pretty terrible...best to take with organic apple juice ... I get arthritis and gout real bad ...hence the reason I was taking it.
My arthritis is killer at the moment ...so I may give it another shot...

Thanks for the heads up :) . I am going to take it very slow with MMS...one drop at a time to start. I will also do a lot of reading.

Hope you manage to get the arthritis under control...do you take apple cider vinegar?

[enfoldedblue]

For the infection I am taking: raw garlic, ginger, turmeric, high grade colloidal silver, propolis, royal jelly, olive leaf extract and Echinacea.

I understand being frustrated and impatient and wanting to be well quickly... However, as a non-professional, this is a huge number of varied things to be taking at once. Some of it may be counteracting other items, and causing you to take a lot longer to recover.

I recommend you pick one aspect of what you are dealing with and tackle it first. If you are dealing with candida, I would work only on diet for that and deal with everything else first. Candida can take a while to treat. Diet alone can treat it with enough time.


ATM I am eating no sugar, fruit (except lemon, grapefruit and a few raspberries), or dried fruit etc.

Really read over the MMS instructions super carefully. Absolutely no Vitamin C or it will make it inactive. Seriously, though... If you're going to do the MMS, I would quit the other stuff. I think I have seen some stuff on taking colloidal silver with MMS, but not sure. You could research it on the MMS forums (http://g2cforum.org).

Thanks for the advice.

From the research I have done it seems that my issue are interrelated and the same treatments generally apply to the different aspects, not just one. For example I believe the elimination of sugar, alcohol, caffeine, and starches can only be beneficial to my healing process in general. The garlic and turmeric and ginger I take fresh in a green smoothy with kale, chia seeds etc...and my body seems to be very happy with this concoction. I am rotating the 'medicine' and really trying to pay attention to my body and how it reacts. So far the process seems to be working well. My left hand which has been numb and weak for many years has renewed sensation and strength...which is very encouraging. But it is true I am a bit impatient. Mainstream medicine would treat me with 3 different antibiotics for 1 YEAR!!

I am a bit confused by your vitamin C comment as I thought you were meant to take it with lemon or lime juice...anyway I will be reading up very carefully on the related protocols.

[MargueriteBee]

It is the infection that is craving the sugar, not you.

[Mu2143]

MMS seems to damage your MtDNA or Mitochondria DNA
Source:Dr Bill Deagle

[Mu2143]

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[778 neighbour of some guy]

MMS seems to damage your MtDNA or Mitochondria DNA
Source:Dr Bill Deagle

Hm, maybe the product line of Dr Deagle could become an endangered species when something else works just as well or perhaps even better for less money than his products.

Who knows, all I know is, MMS works for me, from day one. Thanks for bringing Jim Humble under my attention once again Avalon.

[DeDukshyn]

Most people who live a "normal western" lifestyle already have NF-kappa-B activated. This is another example of how easily DNA expression can change. This condition (NF-Kappa-B activation) is likely the cause most autoimmune disease in the world today.

Whether or not MMS actually causes this expression, I have no clue, but the article seems a bit exaggerated. It has a funny odour to it ...

[hettleman]

I wouldn't be afraid of it. Personally I have had years of positive results with it. My family too. I count the drops carefully and follow the recommended protocol. I use "Simply Apple" juice to mask the taste. (No added vitamin C) Good luck!

[Bubu]

Pills works for me too. But that was before I discovered that it weakens the immune system and I get sick very often. There are just too many new good things that was discovered to cause (later) more worse than good. I don't want to be a guinea pig. There are just too many naturals out there to go chemical.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi,

I have been busy the last few months focusing on some deep healing issue. I will not go into details in this thread, as it is quite complex. But one of the significant issues that came to light is that likely many symptoms I have been experiencing stem from a chronic low grade infection. Possibly chlamydia pneumoniae (not the sexually transmitted disease), likely combined with candida and possibly other pathogens.

My diet is well researched and couldn't really be improved much (including probiotics and several supplements). For the infection I am taking: raw garlic, ginger, turmeric, high grade colloidal silver, propolis, royal jelly, olive leaf extract and Echinacea.

Since I have been a member on this site I have seen a lot of praise of MMS and decided to look into it. I found many individual accounts of people reporting great benefits from use, and in many ways it seemed like an ideal solution for eradicating infection quickly. However, as I was doing my research I came across the following article:

http://www.sott.net/article/213275-MMS-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-or-Trojan-Horse-Your-Body-and-DNA-Decide

The article suggests that MMS is highly dangerous and users risk damaging their DNA.

Here is an excerpt of the article:


Another way in which MMS2 can cause damage is through activation of 'evil' transcription factors. Free radicals such as hypochlorous acid and other toxins may cause transcription factors to initiate a series of genetic reactions that result in cancer. Transcription factors are proteins that facilitate gene expression - that is, they cause genetic material to do something. A particular transcription factor, NF kappa B, is influenced by free radicals or toxins which usually activate it. Once activated, this transcription factor goes into the nucleus of our cells where our DNA resides and may activate genes that might change a potentially malignant cell into an absolutely malignant cell [8]. Hypochlorous acid (MMS2) activates this infamous NF-kappa B transcription factor, especially in the absence of antioxidants like taurine [11,12]. NF-kappa B has also a crucial role in inflammation, and thus ultimately it induces illness. That MMS2 is promoted as a cure for cancer and many other illnesses is just plain baffling.

But that's not all, folks. It gets worse! In fact, hypochlorous acid (MMS2) has the power to chlorinate the building blocks of DNA, breaking the DNA double helix apart and thus interfering with its vital biological functions [13]. By the way, the new airport security scanners can break apart our DNA's double helix as well [14]. Do we see a pattern here?

Some claim that hypochlorous acid is hazardous only to intrusive germs, but there are actually studies that have determined that the properties of hypochlorous acid that make it such a potent bug killer agent can damage our bodies by the same mechanism used to destroy the invading pathogenic bugs [15]. One such study could not have a more appropriate name: "Living with a killer: the effects of hypochlorous acid on mammalian cells [15]."


It has been well documented that there are a variety of disorders tied to the deleterious effects of hypochlorous acid in our bodies including diabetes, obesity, depression, hypertension, gout, kidney failure, and autism, among other conditions [12]. This makes sense in view of our brief review of oxidation: wherever there is oxidative damage, there is disease. What is more, our brains have a high oxygen demand, and thus are particularly sensitive to oxidative damage. So it doesn't come as a surprise that our mind is often the canary in the coal mine. We often notice our body's first inflammatory effects through brain fog, memory problems, and insomnia. Hypochlorous acid has the potential to be extremely neurotoxic to our brains, where it literally oxidizes certain lipids and proteins, preventing them from performing their functions and contributing to neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease and Multiple Sclerosis [16]....

Dr. Gabriela Segura

Gabriela Segura, M.D.


For me, a person with very limited knowledge of MMS, this article is frightening and has made me reconsider including MMS in my healing plan.

If there are holes in the science presented here that others can see I would greatly appreciate a basic explanation.

I know there are several knowledgeable people on this site who are avid users of MMS.

I would love to hear people's thoughts.

Thank you

Hi enfoldedblue

I have been using MMS for years on and off, the only thing that I had heard lately is that chlorine can cause scaring in the main arteries, and that cholesterol can attach itself to the scaring, Its need more investigating this symptom from MMS, but the above information is fear porn.

Regards

roman

[WhiteFeather]

Your homeopathic regimen seems to be pretty good.

However I would add in Chlorella (By Sun) , Kombucha by GT (a great probiotic) and Oil of Oregano. If you havent already. Also you may want to try a parasite cleanse. Parashield by Gaiaherbs.com. http://gaiaherbs.com/products/detail/56/Para-shield- There are 3 main ingredients in this natural and inexpensive pill form that Dr Hulda Clark recommends. It kills up to 100 parasites.

Black Walnut Hulls
Wormwood
Cloves

It couldnt hurt.

And with your permission, would you mind me sending out and intention of healing your way.

[enfoldedblue]

Thanks to all who commented. As I mentioned earlier I have decided to give MMS a try. I intend to start in very small doses and increase VERY slowly. I also only intend to use for a max of 3 months at a time. I feel that it has potential to resolve my longstanding infection issues, but in terms of long term health maintenance I personally prefer a more natural gentle approach.

Whitefeather thanks for the advice. I actually have been taking chlorella and spirulina for several years. They are now added to my green smoothie. We make kombucha, and I LOVE it, but after much research I decided to stay off it while dealing with the candida :( , as many people report it worsening their symptoms. Kimchi and sauerkraut seem ok though. I have heard good things about oil of oregano and may incorporate it at some stage...but right now my arsenal is already so extensive (I also forgot to mention PAU D'arco tea). I have spent so much money so far on treatment I will wait before making any further purchases (except the MMS which is quite cheap). The crazy thing...though it will not surprize anyone here...is that the Dr was happy to prescribe me medication that cost nearly $5000 a month...which would come out of tax-payers pockets and cost me nothing!!

[gripreaper]

Ok, I've been using MMS for years, as my non-invasive detox protocol, as well as exclusively brushing my teeth with it (last four years) and using it topically for skin blemishes, etc. It works great. If you feel a cold or flu coming on, mix four or five drops and drink it. I usually drink it at night before I go to bed.

For a detox protocol, start small, with two drops and increase the drops every other day or so until you reach a plateau where you feel like you have a low grade flu. This tells you that the toxins are "on the move" and exiting your body. Stay at that number of drops till the symptoms subside, or back off a bit if the detox is too severe.

This is why I like it so much. I don't want to hug the porcelain god for hours or days, use the bathroom at inopportune times while at work, or otherwise overstress my system. Besides, my diet is not the best as I am a single guy and I hate to cook.

So, once a year I will increase the dosage for several weeks, and my yearly detox takes about three to four weeks. The rest of the time, I just take it when I feel toxic, or otherwise out of sorts.

As far as the article is concerned, talking about hurting one's DNA is ludicrous! DNA is energetic and part of the etheric body, and it is encoded in your very soul which you carry with you from lifetime to lifetime. Some increased oxygenation in your system that is small enough (angstrom size) which gives it the ability to detox all the way into the cells, is not to be feared but revered. I know of NOTHING else which get's down to the cellular level, so any talk of genetics or DNA damage is ridiculous, in my mind.

What makes sense, is that toxicity, when it has reached the point where pathogens are attracting hosts to feed, the intestines are impacted and allowing toxins to pass the intestinal wall, but blocking nutrients, the liver and kidneys are working overtime to stem the onslaught, and they finally call in the troop reinforcements of the cells as a last ditch effort to stem the assault of toxicity, that is how cancer forms and the cells go crazy.

Cells are not designed to hold toxicity or to get into the fight against them. If you want to know if your body is in the fight of it's life against toxicity, and pathogenic hosting of god only knows what, then check your PH. Piss on a swimming pool test strip and see if you are alkaline or basic.

You really only need to go to war with the bastards who have taken over your body once, and they will run like hell if you bring in the big guns of MMS. After that, it's just maintenance.

Distillation of the cells is a natural process. All of nature works on the principle of distillation. Water evaporates, it becomes pure, it floats to the sky, rains down, flows in the rivers, and back to the ocean. The body is the same way.

Research into anti-noeoplastin's and Dr. Brazinski, or "The Book of Aquarius" and the making of the philosophers stone, or drinking of urine. All of these protocols address the very basic natural function of distillation, the very core of nature.

That is what MMS does, distillation of the cells. Nothing else that I know of does what it does.

The only side effect, is that I am dumber than a box of rocks, can't string a coherent sentence together, have trouble researching topics, doing due diligence, and focusing on a subject till I get to the bottom of it, and then articulating it in a way that it can be understood! That's why my thanks to post ratio is dropping so dramatically! :biggrin: :eyebrows:

[seko]

I've been using it for 3 years with excellent results.

Shared it with family and friends getting rid of cancer, tumors, herpes, athlete's foot, acne....

Give it a try following the right protocols and see the results for yourself.

The article is fishy and not telling the truth. MMS is not dangerous for the body.

[andrewgreen]

getting rid of athletes foot through externally applying it?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

getting rid of athletes foot through externally applying it?

You can make a footbath with a strong solution and scrubbing it (gently) or put the strong but diluted with water solution in a spray bottle and spray it on, leave it on there for a few minutes and rinse off, repeat as much as needed.

Cleaning from the inside out isn't a bad thing either of course.

[enfoldedblue]

The only side effect, is that I am dumber than a box of rocks, can't string a coherent sentence together, have trouble researching topics, doing due diligence, and focusing on a subject till I get to the bottom of it, and then articulating it in a way that it can be understood! That's why my thanks to post ratio is dropping so dramatically! :biggrin: :eyebrows:

Yes I remember reading that you used it...and this was exactly one of the reasons I was hesitant to try it :P

[Eram]

Great post Gripreaper,

You even managed to get me to consider MMS ;)


One claim I'd like to comment on though:


Piss on a swimming pool test strip and see if you are alkaline or basic. :

The acidity of the body can't be measured with one test on a swimming pool strip.
You need to do several a day (morning, midday and evening) for a longer period of time to get a clue about how acidic the body (http://www.livestrong.com/article/237048-how-to-measure-urinary-salivary-ph/) is. Between 11 AM to 3 AM (roughly) the body is storing all excess acids (from food and urine acid from the use of muscles) in body tissues and organs and between 3 AM at night to 11 AM the next morning the body is dumping the stored acids into the blood stream which then is filtered in the kidneys to get disposed of into the urine.
So Urine in the morning is normally much more acidic that during the day time.
This storing of excess acids is what causes our glands to burn up, the body to get prone to inflammations, our skin to shrivel, our bones to leach calcium and other minerals, our cells to get cancerous, fungi, parasites and many more health issues (many for which people nowadays use MMS to get rid of), so that's why it is important to work on a diet that is more neutral and healthy.

Testing the PH of the body can also be done on saliva btw.

PH of the blood is mostly stable between PH 7,34 and PH 7,41.
Below PH 7.0 and above PH 7.7.... end of exercise, better luck next time :)
That is why excess acidity from food is stored in other tissues until the body is at rest and can dispose it trough the kidneys.
Organic apple vinegar (with the mother) can help the body the to have a stable blood PH level.

Most acidity is disposed of through the lungs as C02, so the biggest acidity neutraliser of the body are the lungs.

The easiest way to work on the acidity levels in body tissues is to take one cup of water with 500 mg of baking soda a day on and empty stomach. (for people who find it difficult to eat a more balanced diet)
A Daily dose of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) reduces kidney decline by 65%.

A Western diet and the acidity problems that come from that are in the top 3 of health problems.

Sorry to side track the thread a bit enfoldedblue (seems to be my trademark :) ), but it seemed important enough to give a bit more information on this subject.

ps: sorry Gripreaper.
I kept finding spelling errors or data that I wanted to add to this post, so you must have about 8 quote reply notifications in your inbox now :)

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks to all who commented. As I mentioned earlier I have decided to give MMS a try. I intend to start in very small doses and increase VERY slowly. I also only intend to use for a max of 3 months at a time. I feel that it has potential to resolve my longstanding infection issues, but in terms of long term health maintenance I personally prefer a more natural gentle approach.

Whitefeather thanks for the advice. I actually have been taking chlorella and spirulina for several years. They are now added to my green smoothie. We make kombucha, and I LOVE it, but after much research I decided to stay off it while dealing with the candida :( , as many people report it worsening their symptoms. Kimchi and sauerkraut seem ok though. I have heard good things about oil of oregano and may incorporate it at some stage...but right now my arsenal is already so extensive (I also forgot to mention PAU D'arco tea). I have spent so much money so far on treatment I will wait before making any further purchases (except the MMS which is quite cheap). The crazy thing...though it will not surprize anyone here...is that the Dr was happy to prescribe me medication that cost nearly $5000 a month...which would come out of tax-payers pockets and cost me nothing!!

On the candida - pesky organism that is ... Saccharomyces Boulardii is a beneficial yeast that can displace candida and prevent it from coming back. This beneficial yeast is used quite extensively in Japanese hospitals to treat IBS and IBD and other digestive issues. It may be worth checking out for some.

[gripreaper]

Thanks Eram for your thoughtful and erudite expansion on the merits and protocols for testing one's PH.

For me, 80% of the health problems we face are due to toxicity, which is environmental. The other 20% is what we may have agreed to as souls, or as some like to call it, genetic or DNA. Of course, add stress to it and you can surely amp it up.

[conk]

getting rid of athletes foot through externally applying it?Yes indeed. Also, my sister had a terrible toenail fungus that she fought for many years. I gave her a bottle of MMS and one of the activator acid. She applied the MMS topically to the toenail. I could not get her to drink it. The topical measure took effect in a most positive way, however. Within weeks it was better and continued to improve over two months until it was gone. Good stuff!

[Strat]

Hi enfoldedblue, I'm sorry I can't really help you with your original question, but I have a question for you. You said your diet is well researched and can't be improved much. I'm just curious what your diet consists of. I won't press you with my opinion as I know dieting can be a bit personal, I am just genuinely curious.

Regardless, I hope you start feeling better.

[enfoldedblue]

Hi Strat,

Well because my issues are auto-immune related, I am focusing on re-establishing a healthy inner balance. I believe that through childhood stress, a dodgy diet for many years, and generational patterns, pathogens (with their own agenda, not in-line with the health of the whole), have gotten out of hand. My aim is to reduce the amount of pathogens, increase the amount of good bacteria and heal my intestines.

In terms of diet my approach is all fresh local organic vegies and organic grass-fed meat. For the moment I have cut out all sugar (except for a little honey sometimes) , even fruit, and starch. So no potatoes, or even sweet potatoes. This is because these foods are ones that candida etc thrive on. Luckily rutabaga fights candida, so I can have that as mash, or oven baked chips (with coconut oil). I only use cocnut oil for cooking and sometimes olive oil.

For healing my intestines I have eliminated all grains (except for a few tablespoons of brown rice occasionally). I also make bone broths with organic grass-fed bones (I let cook in slowcooker for days to release all the good minerals) everyday and drink this throughout the day as the minerals are great for re-building the walls of the intestines.

Everyday I also drink the green drink with kale, parsley, turmeric etc (mentioned above) in order to feed my mitochondria. I also put in hemp seeds and chia seeds and take fish oil as this helps to ensure I am getting lot's of omega 3.

I also have raw milk, yoghurt, kimchi and sauerkraut as well as probiotics to encourage the establishment of good bacteria.


Anyway that is a brief description :)

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks Eram for your thoughtful and erudite expansion on the merits and protocols for testing one's PH.

For me, 80% of the health problems we face are due to toxicity, which is environmental. The other 20% is what we may have agreed to as souls, or as some like to call it, genetic or DNA. Of course, add stress to it and you can surely amp it up.

Usually, (from my POV) what imperfections we agree to is to aid our learning process, so these also are not "set in stone" but can clear up as/if those lessons are actually received and desired changes are implemented within a single life.

My 2 cents ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Hi Strat,

Well because my issues are auto-immune related, ... My aim is to reduce the amount of pathogens, increase the amount of good bacteria and heal my intestines.

...

For healing my intestines I have eliminated all grains (except for a few tablespoons of brown rice occasionally). I also make bone broths with organic grass-fed bones (I let cook in slowcooker for days to release all the good minerals) everyday and drink this throughout the day as the minerals are great for re-building the walls of the intestines.

...

Anyway that is a brief description :)

Here is a short three part video on IBS and IBD put written and narrated by my awesome co-worker and company's medical adviser, Dr Jonothon Mainland ND. If I may brag myself a little, I did all the production, direction, audio editing, motion graphics and assembly of the final videos :)

The videos plug our products a little (you couldn't get them anyway - but we have lots of competitors also with high quality products - I'm sure you already have favorite brands), but the general info is invaluable and free!

A must watch for anyone who may be suffering IBD or even IBS, -- Many people have IBS and don't know it as the symptoms can have a broad range. If one has IBD -- you already know you have it.

It may be all old news to you if you have done good research, but in case not - here it is ...

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[enfoldedblue]

Thanks Dedukshyn :)

Luckily IBS is not an issue for me. The symptoms I am dealing with are numbness and muscle weakness in my left hand and foot. I am sure the videos are good anyway, but as I am in the bush and only have satellite internet it is very hard for me to watch videos. Usually takes an hour to load 6 minutes...then craps out halfway...:(.

I do appreciate the thought though.

Thanks

[lakewatcher]

I am a bit confused by your vitamin C comment as I thought you were meant to take it with lemon or lime juice...anyway I will be reading up very carefully on the related protocols.

I don't know the ultimate truth about MMS, though I've studied it on and off for about the last three years. I don't doubt the many reports of people getting benefit from it. My impression of Jim Humble is that he is humble and sincere (no pun intended).

After researching it a bit, my impression of the article that you quoted in your OP, is that it is a hit piece. And for me, the publication source of the article is very questionable. Nevertheless, that does not mean that every point made in the article is necessarily wrong. I just don't have the biochemistry background to be able to fully evaluate all the article's claims.

Also there's this, if Jim Humble is right, and MMS and MMS2 act in the body just as he claims, then it is a major threat to the pharmaceutical/medical industry, not to mention the depopulation plans of certain powerful people.

But, what the long term effects of MMS and MMS2 might be on our DNA, is a valid and good question. As yet, I haven't seen any convincing scientific research that addresses that particular question though. If anyone else has seen good info on this, I'd appreciate it if they could share it.

Now regarding my personal experience with MMS (I have no experience with MMS2):

I tried it just a few times, about three times, internally, at doses varying from 1 to 5 drops. And I tried it once orally for my teeth and gums. In all cases, except the 1 drop, if I remember right, I had adverse effects and had to use vitamin C to counteract it. I used 500 mg of powdered C crystals (about 1/8 teaspoon) dissolved in a glass of water. Sometimes I had to take a second dose of C an hour later to complete the job, and more C the next day for good measure.

In regards to the question you pose in the quote above, I think the answer is probably that the citric acid in the juices act as the activator for the MMS, while they don't contain enough vitamin C to neutralize the activated MMS to any significant degree.

For myself, my feeling is that this stuff is not good for me personally. But, I have a history of very strange and sensitive reactions to quite a few supplements and medications. So, I'm not saying that my case would hold true for other people. I mean for example, I can't even take normal sized doses of Vitamin B6 without developing the signs of B6 neuropathy (numbness and tingling in hands and feet, with dizziness and increased tendency to drop things). This reaction, to normal doses of B6, is supposed to be very rare.

My main point is this. In the end, it doesn't matter how well a healing or health approach works for other people, all that matters is how that approach works or does not work for you -- how your body responds to it.

Good luck with your experiments, and yes, you are right to go slowly and carefully.

[Mu2143]

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[Strat]

Wow, our diets are almost identical. Only small differences.

Again, really, I hope you feel better. God bless.

[enfoldedblue]

I am a bit confused by your vitamin C comment as I thought you were meant to take it with lemon or lime juice...anyway I will be reading up very carefully on the related protocols.

I don't know the ultimate truth about MMS, though I've studied it on and off for about the last three years. I don't doubt the many reports of people getting benefit from it. My impression of Jim Humble is that he is humble and sincere (no pun intended).

After researching it a bit, my impression of the article that you quoted in your OP, is that it is a hit piece. And for me, the publication source of the article is very questionable. Nevertheless, that does not mean that every point made in the article is necessarily wrong. I just don't have the biochemistry background to be able to fully evaluate all the article's claims.

Also there's this, if Jim Humble is right, and MMS and MMS2 act in the body just as he claims, then it is a major threat to the pharmaceutical/medical industry, not to mention the depopulation plans of certain powerful people.

But, what the long term effects of MMS and MMS2 might be on our DNA, is a valid and good question. As yet, I haven't seen any convincing scientific research that addresses that particular question though. If anyone else has seen good info on this, I'd appreciate it if they could share it.

Now regarding my personal experience with MMS (I have no experience with MMS2):

I tried it just a few times, about three times, internally, at doses varying from 1 to 5 drops. And I tried it once orally for my teeth and gums. In all cases, except the 1 drop, if I remember right, I had adverse effects and had to use vitamin C to counteract it. I used 500 mg of powdered C crystals (about 1/8 teaspoon) dissolved in a glass of water. Sometimes I had to take a second dose of C an hour later to complete the job, and more C the next day for good measure.

In regards to the question you pose in the quote above, I think the answer is probably that the citric acid in the juices act as the activator for the MMS, while they don't contain enough vitamin C to neutralize the activated MMS to any significant degree.

For myself, my feeling is that this stuff is not good for me personally. But, I have a history of very strange and sensitive reactions to quite a few supplements and medications. So, I'm not saying that my case would hold true for other people. I mean for example, I can't even take normal sized doses of Vitamin B6 without developing the signs of B6 neuropathy (numbness and tingling in hands and feet, with dizziness and increased tendency to drop things). This reaction, to normal doses of B6, is supposed to be very rare.

My main point is this. In the end, it doesn't matter how well a healing or health approach works for other people, all that matters is how that approach works or does not work for you -- how your body responds to it.

Good luck with your experiments, and yes, you are right to go slowly and carefully.

Thanks so much for your detailed reply. Sorry to hear you had a bad response to MMS. As I researched I noticed a few people who had a similar reaction as you. We're all so different and certainly does not seem to be a one size fit all approach to health. This is one of the reasons why I will take things really slow and pay attention to my body's responses. I read about a woman in Mexico who heals people with MMS and starts with a six drop serving...But for me it feels important, with such a powerful substance to tread carefully.

Thank you

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Wow, our diets are almost identical. Only small differences.

Again, really, I hope you feel better. God bless.

Hi Stat,

Has your diet improved your symptoms?
and
Have you tried MMS?

[DeDukshyn]

Quick question (perhaps I haven't been reading all the posts here ... lack of time) ...

What makes you think you numbness is auto-immune related, and why you need MMS as a solution?

[enfoldedblue]

Quick question (perhaps I haven't been reading all the posts here ... lack of time) ...

What makes you think you numbness is auto-immune related, and why you need MMS as a solution?

Hi DeDukshyn,

I have answered this question here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62332-Addressing-my-Inner-Cabal&p=715523#post715523

Thanks

[DeDukshyn]

Quick question (perhaps I haven't been reading all the posts here ... lack of time) ...

What makes you think you numbness is auto-immune related, and why you need MMS as a solution?

Hi DeDukshyn,

I have answered this question here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62332-Addressing-my-Inner-Cabal&p=715523#post715523

Thanks

Thanks,

What you describe, does not necessarily indicate auto-immune at all. Auto immune indicates your body is attacking itself, this may well not be the case here.

I keep seeing you refer to trying to balance gut flora, for which the videos I provided do have some indications for.

Two main suggestions if you think the issue is gut flora related ... displace all the "nasties" with known beneficials, saccharomyces is one of those that can help, probiotics may help but they are an understudies group of organisms - any Japanese research in this area may be useful as they have been studying gut flora vs general health for far longer than our "westernized" nations. (for some reasons I think you are from aus?)

MS is an autoimmune disease, but are you sure you have it?

On that note the best medication I have ever heard of anecdotally is THC (marijuana), but one has to deal with the "high' which may be unacceptable to some.

A short term bout of MMS combined with re-introduction of gut flora that you actually "want", may be beneficial on many levels.]

My 2 cents ;)

Keep us posted.

[Lucid Jia]

Here is an interesting debate with the man himself. I have been following healthwyze for quite some time. They are completley against the mainstream healthcare system and seem to be excellent reasearchers with great knowledge.

http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/460-the-debate-between-healthwyzeorg-and-jim-humble-about-whether-mms-is-a-fraud.html

In good health.

[Mu2143]

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[MargueriteBee]

Ah man, he sounds so angry and hateful compared to Jim.


Here is an interesting debate with the man himself. I have been following healthwyze for quite some time. They are completley against the mainstream healthcare system and seem to be excellent reasearchers with great knowledge.

http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/460-the-debate-between-healthwyzeorg-and-jim-humble-about-whether-mms-is-a-fraud.html

In good health.

[Pam]

The other concern i would have--- Does MMS destroy the "good" gut bacteria? Have you looked into Olive leaf extract?

[DeDukshyn]

The other concern i would have--- Does MMS destroy the "good" gut bacteria? Have you looked into Olive leaf extract?

MMS certainly would destroy all beneficial microorganisms as well. You would have to replace them afterward.

Olive leaf extract is an excellent antimicrobial, here some info I lifted off our website ...








OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT

Research

Antihypertensive:
Olive extracts have been found to lower blood pressure. Oleuropein possesses a vasodilator (blood vessel relaxing) effect. Moreover, a recent study has found that the aqueous extract of olive leaves inhibited Angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE), an enzyme that converts angiotensin I to angiotensin II. Angiotensin II is a potent vasoconstrictor.


Antithrombosis:
The phenolic compound 3,4-di-hydrophenyl ethanol inhibited aggregation of platelet and production of thromboxane A2 (a stimulator of platelet aggregation with vasoconstrictor activity).

Prevention of development of atherosclerotic lesions:
The secoridoid and phenolic compounds were found to protect vascular endothelium cells from damage. Olive extracts have been found to prevent the oxidation of lipids and of low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, which leads to plaque formation.

Antioxidant activity:
Caffeic acid and oleuropein were found to inhibit iron toxicity in rat hepatocytes by their antioxidant activity through the scavenging of superoxide radical. The compounds of olive leaf extracts have been shown to be more potent antioxidants than BHT or vitamin E.

Hypoglycemic effect:
Oleuropein has a hypoglycemic effect possibly due to the potentiation of glucose-induced insulin release and/or increased peripheral glucose uptake.

Immune regulation:
Olive leaf extracts have anti-inflammatory effects, and are able to increase the functional activity of important immune cells known as macrophages.

Antimicrobial Activity
1. Antibacterial: The extracts of olive leaf have potent antimicrobial activities against bacteria, fungi and mycoplasma. Oleuropein has been shown to inhibit growth and the production of enterotoxin B by Staphylococcus. Oleuropein also inhibits the growth of Bacillus cereus, E. coli, pseudomar, Bacillus subtilis, etc.

2. Antiviral: Olive leaf extract (calcium elenolate) eliminates the viruses by interfering with certain amino acid production processes. The interference stops the virus from shedding, budding, or assembling at the cell membrane. Laboratory tests suggest that the compound has the ability to penetrate infected host cells and irreversibly inhibit viral replication. Oleuropein possesses antiviral activity against a number of viruses including parainfluenza 3, herpes, influenza A, polio, etc.
AIDS patients have begun to use olive leaf extract to help strengthen their immune system, relieve chronic fatigue, boost the effects of anti-HIV medications and help with HIV-associated infections. In vitro studies have found that the compounds of olive leaf extracts inhibit acute HIV-infection and cell-to-cell transmission, and block HIV replication, with no effect on uninfected target cells. The compounds have also been shown to reverse many of the changes in gene expression caused by HIV infection.






References

Aziz NH, Farag SE, Mousa LA, Abo-Zaid MA. “Comparative antibacterial and antifungal effects of some phenolic compounds.” Microbios. 1998; 93(374): 43-54.

Bisignano G, Tomaino A, Lo Cascio R, Crisafi G, Uccella N, Saija A. “On the in-vitro antimicrobial activity of oleuropein and hydroxytyrosol.” J Pharm Pharmacol. 1999 Aug; 51(8): 971-4.

Cherif S, Rahal N, Haouala M, Hizaoui B, Dargouth F, Gueddiche M, Kallel Z, Balansard G, Boukef K. “A clinical trial of a titrated Olea extract in the treatment of essential arterial hypertension.” J Pharm Belg 1996 Mar-Apr; 51(2): 69-71.

Fehri B, Aiache JM, Memmi A, Korbi S, Yacoubi MT, Mrad S, Lamaison JL. “Hypotension, hypoglycemia and hypouricemia recorded after repeated administration of aqueous leaf extract of Olea europaea L.” J Pharm Belg 1994 Mar-Apr; 49(2): 101-8.

Fleming HP, Walter WM Jr, Etchells JL. “Antimicrobial properties of oleuropein and products of its hydrolysis from green olives.” Appl Microbiol. 1973 Nov; 26(5): 777-82.

Furneri PM, Marino A, Saija A, Uccella N, Bisignano G. “In vitro antimycoplasmal activity of oleuropein.” Int J Antimicrob Agents. 2002 Oct; 20(4): 293-6.

Gonzalez M, Zarzuelo A, Gamez MJ, Utrilla MP, Jimenez J, Osuna I. “Hypoglycemic activity of olive leaf.” Planta Med 1992 Dec; 58(6): 513-5.

Ma SC, He ZD, Deng XL, But PP, Ooi VE, Xu HX, Lee SH, Lee SF. “In vitro evaluation of secoiridoid glucosides from the fruits of Ligustrum lucidum as antiviral agents.” Chem Pharm Bull (Tokyo). 2001 Nov; 49(11): 1471-3.

Tassou CC, Nychas GJ, Board RG. “Effect of phenolic compounds and oleuropein on the germination of Bacillus cereus T spores.” Biotechnol Appl Biochem. 1991 Apr; 13(2): 231-7.

Tassou CC, Nychas GJ. “Inhibition of Salmonella enteritidis by oleuropein in broth and in a model food system.” Lett Appl Microbiol. 1995 Feb; 20(2): 120-4.

Tranter HS, Tassou SC, Nychas GJ. “The effect of the olive phenolic compound, oleuropein, on growth and enterotoxin B production by Staphylococcus aureus.” J Appl Bacteriol. 1993 Mar; 74(3): 253-9.

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[seko]

The other concern i would have--- Does MMS destroy the "good" gut bacteria? Have you looked into Olive leaf extract?

MMS isn't a strong oxidizer, so it can't kill strong and healthy cells or good gut bacteria.

[Franny]

I have used MMS but at 1 - 3 drops at a time and had no problems and it worked for me. That is the new suggested protocol, the 15 drop at a time is pretty harsh on the system.

Give Lufenuron a look for candida. I have researched it a bit and found forums where people were asking for candida help, used this and found relief.

Itʻs entirely different than anything else. I didnʻt save the forums or other info as I became convinced to give it a try as I could find nothing indicating that it was at all dangerous - and the cost is low. Itʻs for veterinary use, but...

Buy it at the site below and/or use the info they provide to do your research:

Lufenuron Info (http://lufenuroncandidacure.owndoc.com/)

2-week anti-Candida treatment course.
Not to be used in infants and children!

Our Lufenuron is independently tested by a US branch of Exova, a large multinational laboratory specialized in pharmaceutical purity testing. Our Lufenuron conforms to the strict EU standard for veterinarian medicines, which has identical purity requirements as that of human medicines sold in the European Union. Exova does all tests required to satisfy the EU requirements for Lufenuron specifically.

You can download those test results here. Note that our Lufenuron passed nine strict, EU-mandated quality tests, certifying it as sufficient quality for the EU market.

http://shop.owndoc.com/product-info.php?lufenuron-pid170.html

Hope this helps a few people; best wishes.

[The Truth Is In There]

Thanks Dedukshyn :)

Luckily IBS is not an issue for me. The symptoms I am dealing with are numbness and muscle weakness in my left hand and foot. I am sure the videos are good anyway, but as I am in the bush and only have satellite internet it is very hard for me to watch videos. Usually takes an hour to load 6 minutes...then craps out halfway...:(.

I do appreciate the thought though.

Thanks

are you right of left handed?

btw, ms is a self-created problem (just like any disease that's not due to poisoning, radiation or certain infections). a disease that weakens muscle, bones or the like is always a self-worth issue. note that it's an instinctive, subconscious thing, doesn't have to be something you're actually thinking (not anymore, at least). it could have started when a parent, brother, friend or someone else said something to you which made you feel clumsy while you were doing a certain thing with your hands and feet and now, even if that feeling is no longer there, the program restarts whenever you do the same thing or when a certain trigger is present that was there the first time (like a red pencil, a kitten, a green balloon, a certain smell, pollen...anything unique can become a trigger). this is just a very simple example. all auto-immune diseases are created by the same system, only through many different causes and triggered by different things. allergies as well, and cancers.

you say it's the left hand and foot. if you're right handed the left would be your hierarchical side, concerning either the mother, child or a person that you instinctively see as higher than yourself (like a boss) or lower (can also be a pet. in that case it's not something the pet said but you could have dropped it or stepped on it). if you're left-handed the left would be your partner-side, concerning the father (unless he's more like a hierachical figure to you), friends and other people in general.

in any case, a problem with the hands or feet usually has to do with feeling clumsy or inept to do a certain thing (like something you do with your hands..painting, making pottery, whatever...or with the feet, like dancing for instance). often but not always the problem goes away if people realize what started the program in the first place. the body then recognizes that it's no longer necessary to run this program - breaking down bones or muscle tissue in this case in order to build them back up stronger. the latter part is actually phase two of the program, first breaking down and then building up stronger, to be better equipped for whatever one was incapable of doing when the program started. the problem is that in humans a program can repeat phase one endlessly without ever reaching phase two and conclusion. that's the main reason why humans get lots of diseases that are unknown to animals, especially wild ones. cancer is a prime example.

[enfoldedblue]

Thanks for the replies. I would prefer to answer these questions on my healing thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62332-Addressing-my-Inner-Cabal (as I see this thread more about dangers of MMS)

DeDukshyn :) Olive leaf is part of my arsenal. I think it is great. The whole family takes it at times.

With MMS colloidal silver, olive leaf, even garlic I have read mixed things, with various explanations, about killing good bacteria. I decide to err on the side of caution and eat lots of probiotics in different forms (luckily my partner love's to ferment and makes great kimchi and sauerkraut etc).

Latte: Thanks for the info I will look into it.

Truth is in there: Thanks I found what you posted helpful and have posted on my other thread something I wrote when I first discovered the possible MS. In many ways it relates to what you posted.

Thanks