CIA admits Area 51 is real - Could this be part of disclosure?

[AMystic3434]

So its come out today that the government admits that Area 51 exists. Article attached. And I just saw they covered it on CNN. Even though they do downplayed the existence of aliens I found it interesting.

http://news.msn.com/us/area-51-exists-cia-acknowledges-in-declassified-docs#tscptmf

[Lifebringer]

It's like they said last week at NASA, the "the public's gonna find out soon anyway, we may as well come with open honest discussion, and disclosure of the last 60 years."

Saw it on the NASA message and meeting site. 9 minute video.

Oh, hey guys I may check in from time to time, when I come up to breathe/absorb, "the flow of info again" on my book. I'll come up for air, I promise.

Wish me luck and progress on "SOTW" Season Of The Witnesses", Exo-Dust2, and "The Return." 3 saga books, can take a minute or two. LOL.
When it's done, I'll drop the pdf link from Lulu.
Thanks Sunny for the tip, and Dennis, I will never forget the freedom and surge of energy, that was stalling my mission evidently, because baby the keys and editing connections are flying.

K.J. Avalonian
(aka Kim/Lifebringer)

[Bill Ryan]

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It seemed like a media-typical whitewash job: "Nothing there, folks, move on." Plus a few jokes about 'conspiracy theorists'. Didn't feel to me to be a very encouraging stepping stone towards disclosure.

The media were far more open about UFOs in the 1950s. One has to admit: the CIA has done a bang-up job of trivializing the entire situation.

But now the problem is (for them): when it comes to the 'right time', how will they reverse and undo all that?

When disclosure does occur (and Rich Dolan is right: it's inevitable) -- we need to be prepared for the probability of a massive amount of spin, lies, distortions, and the beginning of another massive psy-op that might last through the next generation.

[sheme]

Disclosure has to be a managed event, a little information at a time, many sleepers will find it all so shocking to hear in one go.

[Limor Wolf]

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When disclosure does occur (and Rich Dolan is right: it's inevitable) -- we need to be prepared for the probability of a massive amount of spin, lies, distortions, and the beginning of another massive psy-op that might last through the next generation.

Yes. The question is whether they are going to declare a war (as it seems), or send a big hug to certain species and pass the crown

[mojo]

There might be a way that fits better. Maybe if we citizens allow an amnesty bill for those those in the know and provide a chance to be released from non-disclosure agreements and only the info as it relates to ET & their tech (ie free energy).

[EC1000]

Personally when main stream media finally lets loose with "disclosure", I likely won't believe any of it as they present it. Like Bill indicated above it will be a big bunch of lies, spin, etc. I seriously doubt anything that is TRUTH (as far as TPAB know it to be) will ever be disclosed. Not trying to be negative it's just how this world seems to work; plus they've already made such a mess with things and the longer you maintain a lie for the harder it gets to come clean. When they do perform their "disclosure" I will be wondering what the real reason is for it, like" hmm..what's coming? Probably something they have no idea how to deal with". It's a big universe out there, who knows where the truth lies if it does not lie within the individual?
However, I would find it all very entertaining and interesting :)
"Hey folks, guess what? It's time to let you know that we are ALL aliens, scientists just made this discovery yesterday”

I bet they keep that one under wraps for quite a while longer.

[Camilo]

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It seemed like a media-typical whitewash job: "Nothing there, folks, move on." Plus a few jokes about 'conspiracy theorists'. Didn't feel to me to be a very encouraging stepping stone towards disclosure.

The media were far more open about UFOs in the 1950s. One has to admit: the CIA has done a bang-up job of trivializing the entire situation.

But now the problem is (for them): when it comes to the 'right time', how will they reverse and undo all that?

When disclosure does occur (and Rich Dolan is right: it's inevitable) -- we need to be prepared for the probability of a massive amount of spin, lies, distortions, and the beginning of another massive psy-op that might last through the next generation.

I agree with your assessment, and that's why I believe real disclosure won't come from humans, but from the occupants of the UFO's in due time, which may be not so far away.

[Limor Wolf]

However, I would find it all very entertaining and interesting :)
"Hey folks, guess what? It's time to let you know that we are ALL aliens, scientists just made this discovery yesterday”


No matter how prepered we think we are, that is going to be a shock for all of us. If disclosure will mean the actual presence of many more ET's on the planet, then things will change dramatically. It is true that there are ET's and ED's here today, but when the bounderies will break and the secret will get out and more species will pour in then the vibration will change, to say it simply, things will feel different than we imagine they will. so, EC1000, I put my bet that interesting - yes, entertaining, I personally doubt it.

[EC1000]

However, I would find it all very entertaining and interesting :)
"Hey folks, guess what? It's time to let you know that we are ALL aliens, scientists just made this discovery yesterday”


. so, EC1000, I put my bet that interesting - yes, entertaining, I personally doubt it.



sorry, didn't mean for it sound like "entertaining" in some sort of callous way for all of those concerned with such things . Personally, I am learning in my life to be "entertained" by things as in "going along for the ride-see what happens" which I'm starting to perceive life to be about, rather than be horrified by certain aspects of it as would be my typical response. Like I said though-it’s a learning process for me. :-)

Also, I have been a long time, frim believer that we (our bodies, anyway-our conciousness is another story) were seeded by certain aliens and altered by others at various points so I wouldn't be that shocked if they made an announcement like the one I wrote up there which you quoted.

[bogeyman]

Don't you feel the whole disclosure thing is being manipulated like a puppet on a string?

[araucaria]

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It seemed like a media-typical whitewash job: "Nothing there, folks, move on." Plus a few jokes about 'conspiracy theorists'. Didn't feel to me to be a very encouraging stepping stone towards disclosure.

The media were far more open about UFOs in the 1950s. One has to admit: the CIA has done a bang-up job of trivializing the entire situation.

But now the problem is (for them): when it comes to the 'right time', how will they reverse and undo all that?

When disclosure does occur (and Rich Dolan is right: it's inevitable) -- we need to be prepared for the probability of a massive amount of spin, lies, distortions, and the beginning of another massive psy-op that might last through the next generation.
I'm not so sure, Bill. At some stage it will remove the ridicule factor that is holding individuals - maybe a few celebrities - from coming out, and part of the top secret element that is holding back insiders. All this testimony might end up turning into a weekly primetime TV show, although possibly not in the US.

[Skywizard]

Newly released CIA documents have acknowledged the secretive military base for the first time.

(CNN) -- Area 51 has long been a topic of fascination for conspiracy theorists and paranormal enthusiasts, but newly released CIA documents officially acknowledge the site and suggest that the area served a far less remarkable purpose than many had supposed.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x137z5l_cia-officially-acknowledges-area-51_news

According to these reports, which include a map of the base's location in Nevada, Area 51 was merely a testing site for the government's U-2 and OXCART aerial surveillance programs. The U-2 program conducted surveillance around the world, including over the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Read Full Story: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/us/area-51-documents/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

peace...
skywizard

[bogeyman]

It was a badly kept secret. The intelligence services and the classified information is like a onion skin, the documents released mentioning "Area 51" is just one layer, and it is classified "SECRET" there are many level above this classification. The CIA always have a reason as to why they declassify their documents, they always take the public reaction and judgement from any released information into account.

[Hazel]

Insidious silencing...

All too sadly, disclosure for anyone is risky and usually comes at a high cost... even to/with people and places where one feels trust and respect are at a premium. Human nature is disappointing, fraught by weaknesses due to ignorance, fear and misplaced ego.I know this from personal experience, yes... even here, and it leaves its stain.

So how/why expect governmental and societal change when such a mine field of hypocracy and arrogance reigns!

[MariaDine]

Lol. we know for ages that Areas- bases 51 and 52, and also the next base to it, the Lockheed were secret airplanes and arms sistems etc.testing bases. The Aurora Sistem that the Americans say they don't exist , but it appeared in the Bubget and it was seen in the air......a reconnaissance hydrogen sistem of high altitude.

[lookbeyond]

Its good to see this reported on mainstream news, lb

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

right hand = this lame "story"

left hand = avoiding NSA expose.

They think you and I are that stupid?

[bogeyman]

The NRO released a memo confirming "Aerial Observation of Area 51" dated 6th April 1962. It was declassified in November 1997.

[ghostrider]

we all know, that is a decommisioned base and nothing to see there, move along, these aren't the droids your looking for ...

[gittarpikk]

Disclosure has to be a managed event, a little information at a time, many sleepers will find it all so shocking to hear in one go. The $64,000 question is where/what will they start with that they will be able to 'throttle' it....

[lookbeyond]

Even if one more person asks a question about deception in the world we live in it is a step forward, a person awakens when they are ready, who knows what the impetus will be, for many the mainstream news is all they know

[Youniverse]

Yeah saw it tonight on our Canadian CTV National News. Pretty much exactly as Bill described it and they said "okay we admit Area 51 exists, but it was all just to hide development of some Lockheed spy plane." Yay! Now we all know what really went on there. We can all go back to our normal lives now, ha ha. It's almost like they're going back to their tired old tricks from the 50's. Like when the Roswell Crash happened(but Bill's right, at least then they let it slip that it was a flying saucer crash at first) they said it was a weather balloon the next day. More recently with UFO incidents like the Stephenville Lights the Air Force first denied they had any planes in the area, then backtracked and said they had four out(when actually it was 10 and they were trying to chase the UFO). So now with this Area 51 announcement, one wonders whether it will initiate a process to "more truthful"(for the groups in question that isn't saying much) discussions on UFOs, orchestrated or un-orchestrated. It just has to amaze you doesn't it, how stupid they think people are?

[jagman]

I think disclosure is very close and I think it will come from the Vatican. According to Authors
Chris Putnam & Tom Horn, Vatican astronomers told them that they observe Ufos on a dailey
basis and act like it's no big deal. I talked to Chris Putnam last year on C2C and this guy really
impressed me with his knowledge of scripture and his knowledge of history. Tom & Chris both
think the Vatican is very close to spilling the beans.

[christian]

So its come out today that the government admits that Area 51 exists.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought the existence of Area 51 was never really in question? It's just the UFO crash, the underground facilities, the testings, and so on that has been denied, not? I thought virtually everybody knew that Area 51 indeed exists and that the government was being very secretive about it, just like it had been for a long time about the NSA (No Such Agency). Even Wikipedia has a lengthy article on Area 51 with a particular section about the U.S. government's positions in regard to Area 51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51#U.S._government.27s_positions_on_Area_51) over time.

I figure this "disclosure" now is rather a cover-up. The way I read this is, "We've been testing secret weaponry there, and thereby we implicitly suggest that any rumors in regard to aliens and UFO's are based on false interpretations of tests of such weaponry."

[Youniverse]

I think disclosure is very close and I think it will come from the Vatican. According to Authors
Chris Putnam & Tom Horn, Vatican astronomers told them that they observe Ufos on a dailey
basis and act like it's no big deal. I talked to Chris Putnam last year on C2C and this guy really
impressed me with his knowledge of scripture and his knowledge of history. Tom & Chris both
think the Vatican is very close to spilling the beans.

Could be, you never know. It could be the Vatican's last ditch effort at legitimacy in an age/epoch where deception and subjugating the masses is losing steam. There's been some interesting discussion on the Vatican and disclosure in other threads. Have you read that new Exo-Vaticana book by Tom Horn? I haven't but it sounds interesting.

[lookbeyond]

Alien existence is now being directly discussed in Australian catholic highschool classrooms

[Youniverse]

Alien existence is now being directly discussed in Australian catholic highschool classrooms

Cool! Glad to hear it!

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So its come out today that the government admits that Area 51 exists.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought the existence of Area 51 was never really in question? It's just the UFO crash, the underground facilities, the testings, and so on that has been denied, not? I thought virtually everybody knew that Area 51 indeed exists and that the government was being very secretive about it, just like it had been for a long time about the NSA (No Such Agency). Even Wikipedia has a lengthy article on Area 51 with a particular section about the U.S. government's positions in regard to Area 51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51#U.S._government.27s_positions_on_Area_51) over time.

I figure this "disclosure" now is rather a cover-up. The way I read this is, "We've been testing secret weaponry there, and thereby we implicitly suggest that any rumors in regard to aliens and UFO's are based on false interpretations of tests of such weaponry."

Ya it does sound weird. I think what they mean is the U.S. Military hadn't "officially" and formally recognized Area 51 until now. Before it was just a secret installation that everyone knew about, but the military denied having.

[araucaria]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought the existence of Area 51 was never really in question?
It's like water on Mars; they've discovered water on Mars so often (5 times?) that they've long since forgotten (never noticed) that we heard them the first time.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hmm you can keep on hanging on I think!
Don't think they will ever do a full disclosure unless something big happens that gets out of hand.
It might come to pass if the NWO kicks in and at that point we will know it existed but will be too busy doing what the Aliens and the NWO tell us, we won't have time to think for a long time after if that all happens :(

Sorry for not being so sunny on this post

[jagman]

I think disclosure is very close and I think it will come from the Vatican. According to Authors
Chris Putnam & Tom Horn, Vatican astronomers told them that they observe Ufos on a dailey
basis and act like it's no big deal. I talked to Chris Putnam last year on C2C and this guy really
impressed me with his knowledge of scripture and his knowledge of history. Tom & Chris both
think the Vatican is very close to spilling the beans.

Could be, you never know. It could be the Vatican's last ditch effort at legitimacy in an age/epoch where deception and subjugating the masses is losing steam. There's been some interesting discussion on the Vatican and disclosure in other threads. Have you read that new Exo-Vaticana book by Tom Horn? I haven't but it sounds interesting.

No I have not read it yet but it is on my must read list Youniverse.

[Cidersomerset]

This is quite significant imo ...........I know we in the alternate community and many
others have known of its existence for decades. Yet many still do not believe these
things until its in a mainstream outlet.


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Area 51 is out there: CIA finally acknowledges the existence of secret 'UFO' airbase

The mysterious piece of land in Nevada has been linked with reports of UFOs, alien
bodies and secret government projects



Officially it has never existed. Until now.


http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8770938.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Area-51-AP.jpg


The CIA has for the first time acknowledged the existence of Area 51 - the
enigmatic US airbase that is shrouded in mystery and is a staple of alien conspiracy
theories.The mysterious piece of land in Nevada has been linked with reports of
UFOs, alien bodies and secret government projects.A declassified CIA history of the
U-2 spy plane programme, made public this week, makes numerous references to
the air base.

The documents came to light during research by the National Security Archive
(NSA) at George Washington University for a report into the development, history
and operation of U-2 spy planes during the Cold War.

Included among the documentation is also a map of the secret base. Included
among the documentation is also a map of the secret base.

As part of their research the archive obtained documents that for the first time
actually make reference to Area 51. Included among the documentation, obtained
through a Freedom of Information Act request made in 2005, is also a map showing
the position of the secret base.

"President Eisenhower also approved the addition of this strip of wasteland, known
by its map designation as Area 51, to the Nevada Test Site," the history reads.

To make the new facility in the middle of nowhere sound more attractive to his
workers, Kelly Johnson called it the Paradise Ranch, which was soon shortened to
the Ranch."

Much of the information contained in the newly released documents was already
known to Area 51 aficionados, but the fact that the air base is mentioned in a
publicly available document is nevertheless considered notable.

A public records request initially yielded documents, reviewed by National Security
Archive senior fellow Jeffrey Richelson in 2002, but all mentions of Area 51 had
been redacted.

Mr Richelson says he requested the history again in 2005 and received a version a
few weeks ago with mentions of Area 51 restored.

Officials have already acknowledged in passing the existence of the facility in
central Nevada where the government is believed to test intelligence tools and
weapons.


http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8770901.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Area-51-map.jpg


Mr Richelson believes the new document shows the CIA is becoming less secretive
about Area 51's existence, if not about what goes on there.

"It marks an end of official secrecy about the facts of Area 51," Mr Richelson told
The Las Vegas Sun. "It opens up the possibility that future accounts of this and
other aerial projects will be less redacted, more fully explained in terms of their
presence in Area 51."

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BBC Film Crew Arrested Sneaking into Nevada's Area 51 'UFO Base'

Military personnel arrested a BBC film crew at the secret Area 51 military base in
Nevada where UFO conspiracy theorists claim US authorities are keeping bodies of
aliens and debris of an ET "flying disc" that crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947.
The crew was trying to sneak into the base while filming a BBC documentary "UFO:
Conspiracy Road Trip," to be aired Monday.

According the Daily Mail, the 12-member film crew included Irish comedian Andre
Maxwell and UFO conspiracy theorist Darren Perks.

They were arrested after they had sneaked past the security perimeter, and were
forced to lie on the ground for three hours while officials at the base carried out
identification checks.

According to Darren Perks, the crew was touring California, Arizona and Nevada
with Andre Maxwell and four other UFO enthusiasts. They visited Area 51 to do a
night watch to see if they could film anything unusual. According to Darren, the
crew arrived at the base on May 14 at about 5 p.m.

Perks said they drove to Rachel, the nearest town to Area 51, then to the "Back
Gate" of the base known as "Rachel Gate NTTR Boundary North," where they
stopped their bus about 50 meters from the security perimeter and began filming.

The Daily Mail reports Darren said:

"There was no one around, no guards, no vehicles - nothing. We filmed for
approximately 30 minutes and tried to call the guards but there was no one there
and no sign of them. So we all decided to walk past the barriers onto the restricted
area past the security huts and basically onto Area 51. Nothing happened..."

After they had filmed for another 30 minutes, one of the members of the crew said
she saw guards eating dinner and watching TV in one of the security huts. The
guards apparently saw them but did nothing. But when a crew member walked to
the hut door and knocked, armed guards rushed and forced the crew members to
lay on their faces at gunpoint.

The security guards searched them and confiscated their wallets, phones, IDs and
film equipment.The crew members were forced to lie on the ground for three hours
while the officials checked their credentials. After their credentials had been
checked, they were taken to the sheriff's office where they were issued tickets and
lectured on the consequences of their action. Darren said they were fined £375
each.

He said: "We were told that this incident was so serious that Washington had to call
London to advise that 12 'Brits' had just breached security at America's most top-
secret military base and that we all were at one point going to jail for six months."

The crew were released at about 11:30 p.m. and allowed to leave on their tour bus.
The Sun reports Darren said that while their things were being signed off, he talked
to one of the guards who said: "Listen, son, we could make you disappear and your
body would never be found."

Another guard told him there were detectors on the ground that could detect
vehicles and people approaching the base. The guard implied that they knew the
crew was approaching and that they were being monitored.

According to The Sun, Darren admitted that in spite of the risk they took, "We
didn't see anything except a bit of tarmac."
(EDITORS NOTE - there is no "tarmac" i.e. aircraft runway at the back gate. When
he says "tarmac" he means paved road surface.)

Digital Spy reports that the BBC series "UFO: Conspiracy Road Trip," will debut on
BBC Three on Monday, October 15 at 9 p.m.

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Area 51 rumoured to hold the crashed space-ship as well as the bodies of aliens
which were removed - still alive - from the wreckage'Apache helicopters were called
in and Washington phoned London after trespass'

Team say they were followed in the days following attempt

Same BBC team caused outrage by suggesting London bombings were a government conspiracy


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[Skywizard]

Been posted twice mine got moved your's probably will too.

[Cidersomerset]

Been posted twice mine got moved your's probably will too.


Thanks Skywizard I forgot to check , which I normally do..LOL...

Never mind, better thrice than not at all....Cheers Steve

Mod Edit: Threads merged. : )

[ghostrider]

as one of my favorite bands Rush says, all the world's a stage and we are merely players performers and portrayers , each anomaly ... everything is scripted , there are no accidents , all information is sanitized ... it is up to us to sift thru the boxes for the good stuff we deem valuable to our quest ...looking alone we might miss something but, together we wil find the good stuff ...

[ghostrider]

I think disclosure is very close and I think it will come from the Vatican. According to Authors
Chris Putnam & Tom Horn, Vatican astronomers told them that they observe Ufos on a dailey
basis and act like it's no big deal. I talked to Chris Putnam last year on C2C and this guy really
impressed me with his knowledge of scripture and his knowledge of history. Tom & Chris both
think the Vatican is very close to spilling the beans.

hadn't thought of that, the vatican, hmmmm ... it would play into their hands, whatever they say , the masses take it as truth and follow without question ...thus the vatican retains power over the earth as the great spiritual library for earth humans ...the link between higher powers and mankind ... hmmmm, they have to have a job don't they ???

[T Smith]

Personally, I can't wait until the CIA, our government, and the mainstream media finally come out and disclose the sky is blue so I can believe it's true.

Disclosure from the above sources is a non-sequitur. Why should we ever expect disclosure (i.e. the truth) from organs of propaganda and administers of operant conditioning, whose specific modus operandi is to distort the truth and manage perception? I think we all sometimes fall into the trap of assuming the media, the government, and the intelligence agencies have merely strayed from their objective of representing the masses and the truth, and that they will someday wander back to the straight and narrow and tell us what's really going on (when they deem we can handle it). This is a false premise.

Why do we need disclosure from the government, the media, the CIA? What exactly do we want/except to hear from these sources whose specific objective is deceive? IMHO, any type of "official" disclosure will be yet another program on the continuum of perception management.

We are already amid a real disclosure. It's happening as we speak. The broad reality (short of specific historical details hoarded in secret by the aforementioned) is conclusively evident to anyone with the capacity to think critically exclusive of the social engineering programs that aim to remove individual consciousness from reality. It will become even more evident, even to those with lesser capacities to think exclusively of social engineering programing. This programing is foisted on the masses by governments, the media, and the intelligence agencies, the very perpetrators from which we expect disclosure. Do we really need the program to tell us what and how to think and disclose to us what is real? Will it really be a victory for truth when Wolf Blitzer comes onto CNN and tells us that ETs and EDs are real and among us?

Perhaps disclosure entails releasing the specific historical facts our governments and their intelligence agencies are privy to about our true origin and the alien presence here on Earth. I personally will not hold my breath for any of these specifics, from the program, even after I witnesses a flying saucer land on the White House lawn on CNN and on every other mediated propaganda outlet known to humanity.

[Sunny-side-up]

Personally, I can't wait until the CIA, our government, and the mainstream media finally come out and disclose the sky is blue so I can believe it's true.


I thought it was Chemtrail-Grey?

[chocolate]

I think Area 51 does exist, obviously, and that it is true it doesn't have all that much hidden inside. My information says this was part of the disinfo going on the years before.

[Youniverse]

I think Area 51 does exist, obviously, and that it is true it doesn't have all that much hidden inside. My information says this was part of the disinfo going on the years before.

I don't know. However, if I was going to die sometime soon, like that Ex-CIA Director, would I say there were/are aliens and spacecraft at Area 51 and various other installations if there weren't any? Maybe if I was told to say that for some reason. Deathbed testimonies are tricky. They are probably true, though, there still is the possibility that person was told his relatives would be hurt or killed if he talks.

[nonesuch]

Toothless documentaries on Area 51 have been on TV for years. The mere fact of the base's existence is not news. The government's acknowledgement of reality is, but not in any significant way on the surface. So why now? The disclosure is most likely self-serving in some way for the military or other secret agencies. Will this non-news serve as an example of governmental 'transparency' amidst the public's increasing anger about the NSA's secret domestic operations?

Maybe Area 51 is no longer engaged in anything they need to hide. As I recall, it was rumored weeks ago that Area 51 [and HAARP in Alaska] was shutting down due to the budgetary sequestration. Local observers outside the base said they could still see personel moving around as usual there, so who knows what happened?

Maybe they moved the alien research division to Denver [or Utah] just in time for the grand opening of the new world order. This is a stretch but maybe the marketing dept. of the corporate sponsored military —that is, the Federal Government— is disentangling themselves perceptually from the one place that classically comes to mind when public awareness touches on secret alien research in the US. Then , if or when the predicted, faked alien attack begins, the military won't be the first thing the public thinks of as its potential source. That's a stretch, but these days reality is a stretch. Possibly this week's announcement will be followed up sometime soon by a faked 'disclosure' accompanied on-stage by a couple actual aliens [who speak English with an American country drawl, but not Swahili or even Russian] to be followed by a few years of acceptance-inducing benevolence before the jointly planned alien/human clamp down on all freedom and choice is openly activated.

Or maybe the CIA acknowledged the existence of Area 51 last Friday, following the SyFy channel's lead—except for the alien part, and there's nothing more to the story.

[Youniverse]

Personally, I can't wait until the CIA, our government, and the mainstream media finally come out and disclose the sky is blue so I can believe it's true.

Disclosure from the above sources is a non-sequitur. Why should we ever expect disclosure (i.e. the truth) from organs of propaganda and administers of operant conditioning, whose specific modus operandi is to distort the truth and manage perception? I think we all sometimes fall into the trap of assuming the media, the government, and the intelligence agencies have merely strayed from their objective of representing the masses and the truth, and that they will someday wander back to the straight and narrow and tell us what's really going on (when they deem we can handle it). This is a false premise.

Why do we need disclosure from the government, the media, the CIA? What exactly do we want/except to hear from these sources whose specific objective is deceive? IMHO, any type of "official" disclosure will be yet another program on the continuum of perception management.

We are already amid a real disclosure. It's happening as we speak. The broad reality (short of specific historical details hoarded in secret by the aforementioned) is conclusively evident to anyone with the capacity to think critically exclusive of the social engineering programs that aim to remove individual consciousness from reality. It will become even more evident, even to those with lesser capacities to think exclusively of social engineering programing. This programing is foisted on the masses by governments, the media, and the intelligence agencies, the very perpetrators from which we expect disclosure. Do we really need the program to tell us what and how to think and disclose to us what is real? Will it really be a victory for truth when Wolf Blitzer comes onto CNN and tells us that ETs and EDs are real and among us?

Perhaps disclosure entails releasing the specific historical facts our governments and their intelligence agencies are privy to about our true origin and the alien presence here on Earth. I personally will not hold my breath for any of these specifics, from the program, even after I witnesses a flying saucer land on the White House lawn on CNN and on every other mediated propaganda outlet known to humanity.

This is relatively accurate in my opinion as well. If a spacecraft lands in my town and an alien gets out and gives me a high five, I'm gonna forget all about disclosure. If it's true for me then it's relatively true. It's truth in my reality. The same goes for everyone else. For certain folks, it won't matter how much evidence is put forth, they will need something like the scenario I just stated above to believe it. What will happen eventually is that UFOs and ETs will be so commonplace and accepted by most that the gov'ts and media will look like fools for ever denying their existence. Wouldn't that be more just, rather than the same folks that told you they don't exist start twisting their newly reformed truth. For the wise, those that have deceived the masses for so long have forfeited any trust that may be given them, regardless of the circumstances.

[T Smith]

What will happen eventually is that UFOs and ETs will be so commonplace and accepted by most that the gov'ts and media will look like fools for ever denying their existence.

We are getting close to this now. Those with a but a modicum of curiosity and penchant for critical thinking have already come to this conclusion. The unthinking masses will follow.

[chocolate]

Sometime disinfo comes in the form of inside information from people that believe they are saying the truth.
I think it is all in front of us, hidden in the obvious, for anyone able to decipher it, but we have been trained to see only part of it and to treat it only in some particular ways. And whatever important is really happening is invisible, not hidden in some underground bunker. We, terrestrials, are putting stuff underground, the higher powers don't need that type of hiding places.