Re: Are we living Gods ? Clue to the Unity on the planet? Masami Saionji, J

[Dee]

I agree with Youinverse - coarse we are!!

Re books, Videos etc:-

I do recommend all books by Christien .O'Brien and his wiflet, Mary (I think).

Especially the first one about Ninhursag - healer, bringer of life and into genetics and the creation of Man initially as a slave race to the "Gods" to serve as hard labour in the gold mines. [they needed the gold to manage the Niburian climate (it being so eccentric) and also to make "manna from heaven" or Ormus as I believe it is now called].

Said book also goes .on to describe the Hebrew "God" - jealous and vengeful or wot? They "burnt offerings" were his FOOD - geddit? [He probably liked his sausages crozzled as I do]. And he so obviously had "Captain Kirk" type communications equipment - a cellphone and a "beam-me-up Scottie" device.

I tried to read the whole of the Old Testament once - but got bogged down early on in "begats" and "begotten.s" - only i do gather he was a bit tempestuous and changeable. It's my bet that he was one o they manic-depressives - and a rapid cycler at that. I'm one too but i only cycle about every 5 years and i'm pretty damn sure now that the "liver flush" has fixed all that for good.

It's the "trick cyclists" {psychiatrists] that need fixing next. They know they poison us - one at King's College, Londinium has already admitted as much to me in writing. So I'm well placed to take action - i have a bit of a legal background (previous life?) - came ist nationally in .a Law Paper. Have a look on Utube - they don't know what the heck they're doing.

[Sgt-Bones]

No, we are not living gods.

Also, listening to too much New-Agey Bs will rot your brain.

Keep it real.

[WhiteFeather]

No, we are not living gods.

Also, listening to too much New-Agey Bs will rot your brain.

Keep it real.

I beg to difffer, Bones. We are as complex and capable a species as Gods can be. Dont consider yourself anything less than that of a God. Yeah we have been dumbed down by a force using weapons of destruction such as Flouride, Vaccines, HAARP ELF Signals, Chemtrail Vapors, GMO Foods, The Tell Lie Vision, The Propaganda Press, The Education System, A Hijacked Government, Etc Etc. But just look at how we are capable of pulling our heads out of are asses from all this Bull Shyte going on around us. The goings on here would put anyone to sleep and in a coma like state. I believe in fact we are of the God Like stature Indeed Sarge. You dont know how powerful you are........YET.

Ten Hut.

[greybeard]

Depends what you choose to study.
If you read the works of Ramana Maharshi or modern teachers like the late Dr David Hawkins then the perception would be that we are God.
Not God's plural but God singular.
Only God is--you are that.
Not the god of the religions though the truth is in there too.
The path of enlightenment is not liked to any teacher or religion.
Enlightenment can happen spontaneously as is the case with Eckhart Tolle Ramana and many others.
This happened to Ramana in his teens---no outside influence, conditioning or belief system.
God can be likened to an electromagnetic field which enlivens all form--yet is formless.
There is only One that flows through seemingly different forms and persona’s.
In my life this is a belief--however those who are in that state can only point to it because words reduce this to a concept.
The state called enlightenment is not a concept but a fact attested to by many over thousands of years.
Lester Levington another example of The Grace of God from within.
That lives in the Heart Cave of all.
Just a question of being open and doing the research and of course the inner search.
No one can give this to you, or take it away.
You are the One consciousness, the One Self having a human experience.

Chris

[Wind]

We are God, but we have just forgotten it. Now is the time to remember it again.

[Sgt-Bones]

Sorry to say it folks, but anyone who believes they are a god is either deluding themselves or is simply misguided.

We are spirits, yes, but gods? .... no.

MASSIVE difference between the two actually, as in one of them exists (us/spirits) and the other is basically just a fiction created by humans who need/crave authority figures that watch over them and dictate to them what they must do/how they must do it.

I realise there are many New Age "gurus" out there claiming that we are all gods, and you're welcome to believe them if you like, but I can assure they are doing nothing more than leading you astray.

I know me saying that isn't going to change your beliefs (they are embedded deeply by now I'm sure), but if I didn't say anything and just let it slide without speaking up then I would be just as bad as the folks who've been feeding you these 'half-truths'.

Anyways, I've said my piece now, as always it's up to you guys to discern for yourselves what is reality and what is fiction.

All the best!!

[Sgt-Bones]

Just to add to my previous post....

I understand why folks would gravitate towards the "living god" stuff, I really do, because I know we've all been suppressed heavily by this society/culture of ours.

But, creating false realities where we are gods just to make ourselves feel better/stronger/more powerful is not the answer/solution we need right now.

What we do need, however, is real spiritual knowledge/wisdom, and real empowerment.

The kind that can only be derived from putting in the work/effort i.e. healing oneself through the clearing of emotional trauma, psychological trauma, physical trauma, past life trauma, removing attachments (entities/spirits/thought forms) etc etc.

That is the path that will lead us to real spiritual growth and self realisation/actualisation.

So please, I urge you all to turn a blind eye to the empty "feel good" drivel that is being churned out by the alternative media/New Age movement and start seeking out real information about real spiritual practices/methods/techniques/knowledge/wisdom that can actually help you to realise your true potential.

Sitting around believing you are a god or waiting to become one is simply not going to cut it.

[ghostrider]

as a man thinketh in his heart , so is he ... a codex written when spoken releases energy in the body, making those who thinketh in their hearts feel born again ... hint , a sandskrit, or akashic records, sumerian writing whatever you choose to call it , is one thing that surived six extinctions on earth ... hmmmmmm , energy hidden in words that changes the spirit and body of a person that believes , millions do it everyday in religions speaking worlds they really don't understand , but somehow they feel better after gathering and speaking ancient words and believing, our way of thinking must be pretty important in the grand scheme of things ...

[Sgt-Bones]

as a man thinketh in his heart , so is he ... a codex written when spoken releases energy in the body, making those who thinketh in their hearts feel born again ... hint , a sandskrit, or akashic records, sumerian writing whatever you choose to call it , is one thing that surived six extinctions on earth ... hmmmmmm , energy hidden in words that changes the spirit and body of a person that believes , millions do it everyday in religions speaking worlds they really don't understand , but somehow they feel better after gathering and speaking ancient words and believing, our way of thinking must be pretty important in the grand scheme of things ...

Sorry, but thinking you are a god will not make it so.

The theory sounds good, sure, but it is just that.... a theory.

And btw, if it did actually work like that, there would be thousands of half-@rsed, wishy-washy, fruity-tooty, new age gods popping up all over the place by now ;)

[greybeard]

Ther is a big difference between new age beliefs and ancient Vedic knowledge.
In one word "humility"
Newage has this desire to claim ones sovereign powers, to manifest desires, to be someone.
These are all based on duality comparisons.
In non-duality the seeming other is One Self-- who is there to be better than?
What is there to have power over?
The egoic mind cant get that.
It took me a long time to have an inkling of what is "That which can not be spoken of."
People are now catching on much quicker because consciousness is rising.
One indicator is the number of books being bought on spirituality of some depth---not the New age variety.
Eckhart Tolle had a New York no1 best seller with "The Power of Now"
Im not trying to convince or attempt to teach---Im not qualified to do so. I just share what I have found that may be of interest.
I would not even suggest following the path of Enlightenment, as for me, I found it demands a lot of study and exercise.
It changes ones life radically.
Needs, wants, desires, just fade away and one is content with relatively little.

Chris

[sirdipswitch]

Just to add to my previous post....

I understand why folks would gravitate towards the "living god" stuff, I really do, because I know we've all been suppressed heavily by this society/culture of ours.

But, creating false realities where we are gods just to make ourselves feel better/stronger/more powerful is not the answer/solution we need right now.

What we do need, however, is real spiritual knowledge/wisdom, and real empowerment.

The kind that can only be derived from putting in the work/effort i.e. healing oneself through the clearing of emotional trauma, psychological trauma, physical trauma, past life trauma, removing attachments (entities/spirits/thought forms) etc etc.

That is the path that will lead us to real spiritual growth and self realisation/actualisation.

So please, I urge you all to turn a blind eye to the empty "feel good" drivel that is being churned out by the alternative media/New Age movement and start seeking out real information about real spiritual practices/methods/techniques/knowledge/wisdom that can actually help you to realise your true potential.

Sitting around believing you are a god or waiting to become one is simply not going to cut it.


You need to read that which I have written on this thread...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul-and-OBE


ENJOY!!! :wizard:

[ghostrider]

as a man thinketh in his heart , so is he ... a codex written when spoken releases energy in the body, making those who thinketh in their hearts feel born again ... hint , a sandskrit, or akashic records, sumerian writing whatever you choose to call it , is one thing that surived six extinctions on earth ... hmmmmmm , energy hidden in words that changes the spirit and body of a person that believes , millions do it everyday in religions speaking worlds they really don't understand , but somehow they feel better after gathering and speaking ancient words and believing, our way of thinking must be pretty important in the grand scheme of things ...

Sorry, but thinking you are a god will not make it so.

The theory sounds good, sure, but it is just that.... a theory.

And btw, if it did actually work like that, there would be thousands of half-@rsed, wishy-washy, fruity-tooty, new age gods popping up all over the place by now ;)

you miss the point, a codex written long ago with energy tied to it, to re-shape future generations in their thinking , small steps to a higher way to live , forget gods they are the stuff of myth and legend ... religion is misdirectioin, they always give away their personal power, never changing their thinking, personal responsibilty rest on the individual , not on some fairy tale ... the translations, sandskrit, whatever pick one, is the true story of you on the inside, it must come out , bit by bit, but only if you THINK IT ... standing at the door and knocking , if you open it , you decide , are you a god ??? the choice is yours ...it all comes back to you , it's your story you write it you believe it, you live it, you think it, the rest is just noise ...look at it from another angle, if you didn't want to offend religious people, and get people THINKING , it's a fine line when it comes to this subject ... starting to think of yourself as greater than you are told is a small step towards something beautiful and linked to the universe by feelings , feelings contain energy , look at closeups in movies of a man and woman embracing and saying few words but the audience is right there feeling energy that makes them cry and they are looking at an illusion ...but movies change people ... it's all in their thinking ...

[spiritguide]

I AM ! of the Grand Universe. Define " I AM" however you wish. the combined knowledge of the Grand universe is only 3% on this dimension. Why do we disrespect the spirit of the Earth if spirituality in earnest is sought after. Love and respect the ALL and you will see.

Peace!

[chocolate]

We are not living god(s) is my opinion also. We are living spirits. And the whole thing around the term "god" is making me a bit jumpy too. We have potential,yes, some of us, in different amounts, but it is up to us to grow to the higher levels, so to say we are ALL gods, for me is a bit of a wishful thinking.

[Justintime]

Sorry to say it folks, but anyone who believes they are a god is either deluding themselves or is simply misguided.

We are spirits, yes, but gods? .... no.

MASSIVE difference between the two actually, as in one of them exists (us/spirits) and the other is basically just a fiction created by humans who need/crave authority figures that watch over them and dictate to them what they must do/how they must do it.

I realise there are many New Age "gurus" out there claiming that we are all gods, and you're welcome to believe them if you like, but I can assure they are doing nothing more than leading you astray.

I know me saying that isn't going to change your beliefs (they are embedded deeply by now I'm sure), but if I didn't say anything and just let it slide without speaking up then I would be just as bad as the folks who've been feeding you these 'half-truths'.

Anyways, I've said my piece now, as always it's up to you guys to discern for yourselves what is reality and what is fiction.

All the best!!

What is the difference between a god or God and a spirit in your opinion if they did both exist?

[Justintime]

No, we are not living gods.

Also, listening to too much New-Agey Bs will rot your brain.

Keep it real.

The idea that we are gods/god does not have its roots in New Age beliefs, its a belief as old as humans itself, and little snippets of this belief are in every major religion.

[RunningDeer]

Are we Gods?

My first impression is, “Why label?”

Sometimes, I’m All. And some times, the small steps over the years is a kaleidoscope in discovery.

So I continue to remove what prevents me from the greater. The veil’s got bigger holes and is beginning to fray. (And not just around the edges.)

I use to live the body.

Then, I felt a warm aura around the body. In the sunlight, movement leaves essence trails that are sometimes white, sometimes purple.

And in Nano-Nows, the body is a tiny speck, in a grand ball of light that cradles it. Song and hums, too.

Then, I sneeze and come back to this Now.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/kaleidoscope_zps8ffee22d.gif

[Sunny-side-up]

God is a shattered Crystal.
We are the shards, little crystal fragments of the Crystal.
Some shards lay in the bottom of a murky, muddy dark well.
We are those shards.
As we start to remember that we are shards of the One-Whole-Crystal we start pulsing and vibrating, we elevate.
As we start to reconnect shard to shard we pulse and vibrate with greater and greater collective energy; this elevated, higher vibration causes the mud in the well water to sink; while we rise up to the well-waters-surface.
When we reach the surface where the light shines so much brighter,
we come to see that all that was, which we held with such great wonderment was just mud!
Material-Mud!
With-on our new higher vibrational level, washed of the mud from our eyes and now seeing for the first time the light,
we see yet a higher level, yet a brighter light, the light streaming down the well tunnel from the well-heads-opening!
With this new vision comes even higher vibrational energy, we become light, we come to see that we are not in a dark and murky well of muddy shards any more; in-fact we never were!
We were merely seeing through the broken shard eyes of our lower muddy material self's.
We bask in the light again, we are our higher-self again, we are the light, the rays of the One-Whole-Crystal!

Oh it must be late lol. nite all

Love and Light to you all

[donk]

I think the more oft profound than you'd think William Jefferson Clinton said it best:

"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"

[Gardener]

Sgt-Bones:
A new member Dee joined just over two weeks ago, I found your rebuttal of that members post a little too heavy handed, the member has now unsubscribed. The work, as you pointed out, is to remove from the psyche the effects of trauma, but it is much more than that, if you feel it necessary to 'put new members straight' might I suggest you begin with yourself.

[RunningDeer]

I think the more oft profound than you'd think William Jefferson Clinton said it best:
"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"


William Jefferson Clinton: Depends on What the Meaning of the Word IS...... is
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[donk]

Dang, thought I knew it! Thanks Paula!

Still...no less profound. I defy you to find a more universal objective truth, it is the answer to every question, and never untrue.

[AMystic3434]

how can we be gods, there is so much that is bigger than we are. Sure when we leave our bodies our energy bodies are big but there are much bigger energy bodies that exist. The biggest energy body probably being that of god.

[Wind]

"You don't look out there for God, something in the sky, you look in you."

- Alan Watts

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[ROMANWKT]

We are not Gods, you're all going through a evolutionary process, this is a planted thought by the controllers, its part of Solipsism, and new age BS. I will not waste my breath going further.

regards

roman

[ROMANWKT]

double post

[chocolate]

Sgt-Bones:
A new member Dee joined just over two weeks ago, I found your rebuttal of that members post a little too heavy handed, the member has now unsubscribed. The work, as you pointed out, is to remove from the psyche the effects of trauma, but it is much more than that, if you feel it necessary to 'put new members straight' might I suggest you begin with yourself.

Gardener, I am not Sgt-Bones, but I also expressed opinion like his, and I can say the following. I, too, am gentle spirit probably like Dee, but most of the times I try to read more and speak less, and after that I try to take part in the game. When I was training volleyball, it all started with playing with the wall, learning to get to know and feel that ball, and after that I got to play with a a partner, for years. I happened to be a talent, but I now some team mates simply followed the recipe and also played well after some practice.
Because everyone here is quite well mannered and wise doesn't mean all opinions will receive gentle treatment.

[Dennis Leahy]

If you take a drop of ocean water out of the Ocean, it is still ocean water. The single drop of ocean water is not the Ocean - the entire Ocean - but it's composition and its origin certainly is "Ocean."

Arguing that we are not "gods" is semantics.

In Christian theology, a Venn diagram would show 2 circles: one that is God, and one that is all of Creation (the Universe.) In Buddhist philosophy, the Venn diagram would only have one circle. If you accept the Christian concept (and that is not the only creator/creation religion), then nothing in the Universe is God. If the Buddhist philosophy resonates with you, then nothing in the Universe (Multiverse) is anything but God. Sentience provides us little tiny pieces of God with the opportunity to recognize we are made of God, whereas the single drop of ocean water probably doesn't "know" is is of the Ocean.

A monk asked Ummon, "What is Buddha?" Ummon answered, "A dried stick of dung."Dennis

[RunningDeer]

Dee has unsubscribed. Godspeed on your journey. :hug:
Peace,
Paula

[RunningDeer]

Deleted. Poor assumption on my part.

[Marianne]

Sgt-Bones:
A new member Dee joined just over two weeks ago, I found your rebuttal of that members post a little too heavy handed, the member has now unsubscribed. The work, as you pointed out, is to remove from the psyche the effects of trauma, but it is much more than that, if you feel it necessary to 'put new members straight' might I suggest you begin with yourself.

Gardener, SGT-BONES is not the reason Dee was unsubscribed. Please don't make assumptions when you don't have all the facts.

The reason for having a provisional membership is to get to know new members. Dee was unsubscribed because she was not happy with the forum, and we saw it would not be a good fit.

[WhiteFeather]

In simplistic and laymans terms can we agree that we are just a chip off the ole block.

;)

[Sgt-Bones]

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[Carmody]

Are you 'a living god'. The answer is yes.

Proof?

It has happened, in a fundamental scientifically undeniably way, more than once.

This is only ONE incident, of many of this exact type. You can track this case down yourself. (the internal self lie -as projected- demands proof. The inner self KNOWS otherwise)

You are an energetic form, a window, a door, a view, a directable intelligent self expressive and mutable hose........pouring in to this dimensional space, from another. At the minimum. The situation is live and dimensionally interactive, timeless.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62394-How-the-media-debunk....Rupert-Sheldrake-Richard-Dawkins-comes-to-call&p=716769&viewfull=1#post716769


And it is indeed real. Undeniably so.

Thus, all of reality as you know it and live it, is brought down to the killing floor.

Reformulate your fundamental understanding of reality, as what the world looks like around you ---is wholly wrong.

[ulli]

Whether we are living gods shifts with our own focus, and attention.

Focus on God, and become gods.
The problem is how long can one maintain the focus on the highest aspects,
especially when they are as abstract as the concept of an unknowable creator god.

Here is a quote from the founder of the Baha'i Faith, Baha'u'llah:


"When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee,
I am moved to proclaim to all created things 'Verily, I am God!';
and when I consider my own self,
lo, I find it coarser than clay!"

Having experienced both states myself is enough for me. I know the statement is true. However, it cannot be proven to third parties.
But one might prod and encourage and inspire others to find out for themselves.

[ROMANWKT]

Are you 'a living god'. The answer is yes.

Proof?

It has happened, in a fundamental scientifically undeniably way, more than once.

This is only ONE incident, of many of this exact type. You can track this case down yourself. (the internal self lie -as projected- demands proof. The inner self KNOWS otherwise)

You are an energetic form, a window, a door, a view, a directable intelligent self expressive and mutable hose........pouring in to this dimensional space, from another. At the minimum. The situation is live and dimensionally interactive, timeless.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62394-How-the-media-debunk....Rupert-Sheldrake-Richard-Dawkins-comes-to-call&p=716769&viewfull=1#post716769


And it is indeed real. Undeniably so.

Thus, all of reality as you know it and live it, is brought down to the killing floor.

Reformulate your fundamental understanding of reality, as what the world looks like around you ---is wholly wrong.

Hi Carmody

I must say that I cannot disagree with you putting it the way you did, but where does one start, if not comprehending what around one first, then moving on to the finer and more finer aspect of realty, and after that its DMT time. we all eventually get there, but for anybody who struggles with the concepts of our existence would be out of comprehension as yet about being Gods, therefore we are not Gods, we are all there is, eventually in comprehension as God. The inner-self knows no bounds and all is mutable, but our outer self is bound by immutability, therefore the conflict, hence realization.


Warmest regards, a good one, thank you

roman

[greybeard]

The only thing that can be said for sure without disagreement is "I am"
In other words I am aware I exist.
This awareness is not volitional it just is.
The awareness is what I am.
I am That which I am---or words to that extent.
That how God described Himself in the bible.

In the unenlightened state you cant say what you dont know yourself to be with any authority.
The enlightened can say "I am the totality, all of it"
That's freedom from ignorance---the ignorance being, not knowing your true Self.
Chris

[Firinn]

how can we be gods, there is so much that is bigger than we are. Sure when we leave our bodies our energy bodies are big but there are much bigger energy bodies that exist. The biggest energy body probably being that of god.

Hi AMystic3434, There is so much "smaller" than we are too. By your argument alone, I reckon that means we can be gods.

With love,
Firinn