Laura Knight-Jadczyk: whats wrong with her?

[samvado]

While looking for questionable UFO and alien myths one will come across this autor without fail.
This is a book review i did on amazon in ca. 2006:


The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive

May you live in interesting times - the old chinese curse is certainly true for all of us today. Many observations Mrs. Knight makes are somewhat true BUT -and this is the crux of the matter- as good as ALL deductions she makes from those observations are not just DEAD wrong, they indicate a psychological and medical condition I am not allowed to put in writing because Amazon staff would consider it name-calling.

What would you call me if I tried to convice you that our motor-vehicles are alien controlled by means of advanced implants in the steering mechanism? Crazy? I guess I could make a case of it from observing the irrate behavior of todays traffic and the many accidents.
However, if I make a case that aliens control every aspect of our life by means of time travel and are out to eat me (and you) or drink our blood or suck your fear energy like we would suck an energy drink - I'll have to ask: is that mental condition even covered by medicare? Mrs. Knight's husband, a university-level physicist, has never heard of Occam's razor (Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible) or forgotten to apply it to his wifes mental proceedings.
I am not kidding you, all this is from her books: She proposes that 4th dimensional aliens have controlled us by means of time travel since ages. They are 100.000 years technically ahead of us and have started the big wars and killed numerous politicians and other high ranking personel not doing their bidding. They have taken an average of 10% of dead soldiers from the battelfields, revived or cloned them and these serve now as slaves in huge underground facilities. They also abduct people on a regular basis.

It seems there is a growing number of people who have forgotten how to use their higher brain functions. A frightening lot fall for this crap and discuss it in earnest at their signs-of-the-times website forum.
As with all people who suffer from similar medical conditions (watch the good movie "a beautiful mind" for more info on that subject) proof to the opposite is simply ignored and if presented in a way so it can not be ignored will be deleted from perception (and as in my case also physically from their discussion board).

But don't take my word for it - check it for yourself before you waste money on the books. Sign on to their board and e.g. ask: "Why would these aliens with time travel capability be able to kill the Kennedys but not the author who ostensibly gives all their dark secrets away, has a stable address, no secret service bodyguards and is probably even listed in the phone directory?"
If her scanario where true the books would simply not exist.

If you read her books you'll find numerous examples of deeply flawed logic - although it is logic she is always calling to the rescue (btw: no need to read more than 1 or 2 books - all are highly repetitious in content).
In closing I cite one more example. There has been discovery of a substance named ORMUS in 1989 by one David Hudson. Mrs. Knight claims this substance is used to facilitate mind control over those who take it by means of flashing lights (strobes) mounted e.g. on police cars and ambulances. This substance is told to be highly dangerous (likened to arsenic) and the guy who found it is part of a government coverup and alien mind control etc. Now this is all good and fine EXCEPT it is proven fact (and this is not denied by her) that Hudson has been driven to bancrupcy by the government in trying to exploit his patents on ORMUS, suffered a heart attack and is not lecturing any more since then. At the same time ORMUS exists in abundance and could be harvested very cheaply. A 100.000 years advanced race should not have problems selling it like vitamin C to us. But only a very few even know about this substance and take it. And as the HAARP project (she says) will ALSO facilitate total mind control over us isnt that a bit of an overkill? And what makes this argument really bad is that according to Mrs. Knight in order to taste good to the bad guys you have to submit WILLINGLY to being lunch (free will and such). Wouldnt that mean mindcontrol spoils their food supplies? Not to mention that eating their revived 100.000 slave ex-soldiers should somewhat be easier to facilitate - or why not fly some of us off to a distant planet and open a human cattle ranch there?

If you start digging into the discrepancies and horrendous and hideous contradictions in her books you dont have to be a physicist to see the bull. But it sells well. So living nicely in the french countryside with few job opening suited for an old american housewife isnt easy I guess. Under these circumstances it certainly has its advantages if you can be an author. She should have sold it as science fiction though.

[kriya]

You know she uses a spirit board or 'ouija' to get her information. To my mind only lower astral entities can communicate this way. Quite frankly, they are taking the p**s.

Love,

Kriya

[K626]

IMO She's nuts basically.

[Micjer]

Reality Roll Call

Former members that wish to remain anonymous, also claim they were scammed out of large sums of money when the Jadczyk’s suddenly uprooted the Perseus Foundation from New Port Richey, Florida and moved it to France leaving many a bewildered cult member feeling emotionally raped by their experience and financially taken advantage of.

The Jadczyk’s raised well over $100,000.00 to $150,000.00 from a bogus raffle to sell their home (AKA the Perseus Foundation) via PayPal then split with the money, leaving an unverified winner unknown to members but close to Laura. According to 2003 documents the home is still up for sale and a former devoted member lives there as caretaker showing the property. Laura is in legal trouble with fraud and embezzlement if she returns to the USA. Many members would sue her if they could get her back here.

As one member told me they began to wake up as soon as prediction dates that came from the Cassiopaean channelings came and went, and began to speculate that Laura was making things up via her channeling board just to keep the paranoia going and the money flowing. Laura was noticeably unable to follow her own set of lies and began to trap herself in them by getting dates confused and changing previous information.


Laura Knight Jadczyk - Grand Master Channel of the Cassiopaean Apocalypse

By Colleen Johnston © 2004

Authors note: I am an ex-cult member as well as one of the lead channels for a cult in which I was involved for about eight years. I was not the leader but was in what was called ‘The Triad’ (which was the group leader, another lead channel, and myself) within a similar group and feel fully qualified to speak out about the Cassiopaeans an the channelings of Laura Knight Jadczyk. I left the Council group in 1995 and have continuously researched similar groups. I can attest to the similarities and the betrayal by these group leaders, including the money scams the ‘Cassiopaeans’ and Laura Jadczyk perpetuates. It is similar to the group I was apart of because the ideologies are so similar. Even the catch phrase of ‘Knowledge Protects’ is similar to ‘Knowledge is Power’ that the guru I was involved with used. Because of my extensive knowledge into the trappings one gets into in such groups I see very similar’ revelations’ from the Council verses the Cassiopaeans. If I receive a response from the Jadczyk’s or other irate cult members I will also post them here. It’s time to expose these group leaders for exactly what they are – unscrupulous frauds with potential life threatening psychosis. This particular group is far from being a love and light - airy fairy type of ideology - they pose a real threat to people who are searching for something to explain odd events.~Colleen

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lauraknightjadczykexpose2004.shtml

When I found out she used a ouiji board it sent up a red flag for me. She may be channeling information, but I wouldn't trust it.

[justpeter]

Very interesting comparison here between Laura Knight-Jadczyk and Anna Hayes/Ashayana Deane - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message115499/pg47

I suppose none of us know what's really true or false regarding these individuals but I don't feel attracted to either of them.

[Scott]

I'm confused, you think Laura Knight is a Whacko (which I agree with btw, a complete loony toon) yet you started a post for this site " A well founded view on the alien issue" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?605-A-well-founded-view-on-the-alien-issue and said Quote "I would consider then entire content of this website worth reading, but the part about aliens is a must read IMO."

That Lists the Cassiopaean Transcripts (Laura Knight's work) as a "valuable piece of the puzzle" and use it as reference material on page 12 and again on page 16 and again on 18 (stopped counting at this point) ex:
* The Cassiopaean Transcripts explains the amber tinting as bleed-through from “fourth
density” (higher-dimensional realm). I have observed this and alteration in lighting
contrast during the onset of an abduction.*

The link also mentions the alien agenda:
Quote:
"Their ultimate goal is to assimilate us into their fascist empire and parasitically exploit us for our biological, etheric, and physical resources. Through covert manipulation and hyperdimensional tricks that utilize time travel, they have secretly manipulated and exploited humanity in every way conceivable for tens of thousands of years. We are now seeing their plans overtly manifest with the abduction and hybrid breeding program"

So help me out here since it appears we both agree JZ knight is a complete whacko why would you post another thread that use's JZ's material/channeling throughout its pages?

Mayhap you posted the other thread as another example of JZs whacky ideas?

Anyway I am reading the entire PDF version that can be found here: http://montalk.net/Discerning_Alien_Disinfo_v3.1.pdf

[samvado]

I'm confused, you think Laura Knight is a Whacko (which I agree with btw, a complete loony toon) yet you started a post for this site " A well founded view on the alien issue" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?605-A-well-founded-view-on-the-alien-issue and said Quote "I would consider then entire content of this website worth reading, but the part about aliens is a must read IMO."

you are right, I have not specified which are the parts where I do not agree with him (I wrote 90%). you just found one, the other is the voyager material. I have however mentioned this in a post a little later in the same thread. this is very worthy material, even with the 2 perceived glitches IMO.

[samvado]

Very interesting comparison here between Laura Knight-Jadczyk and Anna Hayes/Ashayana Deane - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message115499/pg47

I suppose none of us know what's really true or false regarding these individuals but I don't feel attracted to either of them.

thanx for that pointer, very good consolidated infos there, didnt know that page before.

[kriya]

Anyway I am reading the entire PDF version that can be found here: http://montalk.net/Discerning_Alien_Disinfo_v3.1.pdf

Thanks for this, looks like a good read.

Love,

Kriya

[Operator]

The interview with Laura Knight-Jadczyk was on Youtube/jagbodhi for a couple of hours and then removed .... nobody reported it as present ... and nobody reported it as removed ... interesting :confused:
(I agree that most of the interview was not so interesting anyway, only a couple of things triggered me to lookup other material)

[Solphilos]

She is a channeler, that says enough for me. :p

There's no one as dangerous as an untrained psychic/channel/seer.

[Shairia]

I read the transcripts of her channeling experiment. I must admit that some of the information really clicked with me but her involvement always bothered me. She always seemed to come from a selfserving viewpoint in any discussion of the materials. I don't trust anything about her and normally am not even tempted to read channelled information, this was the one exception. I checked out her forum and got the same impression, it was all about her and if you dared disagree with anything she presented you were asked to leave.

[HORIZONS]

With an open mind I tried to watch her interview with Kerry today on PC but could only get 16 min into it, and that was hard enough. What the heck does Kerry see in her that she drools all over her like that? What a boring 16 minutes that was, and the energy from her was horrible. I could not listen to her speak if I had to, and I sure wouldn't trust her. Bad juju - and I rarely criticize like this, but she gave me the creeps. And Kerry baffles me as well...???

[samvado]

I read the transcripts of her channeling experiment. I must admit that some of the information really clicked with me but her involvement always bothered me. She always seemed to come from a selfserving viewpoint in any discussion of the materials. I don't trust anything about her and normally am not even tempted to read channelled information, this was the one exception. I checked out her forum and got the same impression, it was all about her and if you dared disagree with anything she presented you were asked to leave.

I understand fully, I was so interested initially that I bought 5 of her books right off her website. big mistake, one would have been plenty.
I then spend a few days among her fans on her discussion board - that experience topped everything I have seen here with regards to crazy I-believe-it-all-if-you-say-so attitude from the guru's mouth. Of course I was quickly banned :-)
I consider that a badge of honor ...

[samvado]

She is a channeler, that says enough for me. :p
There's no one as dangerous as an untrained psychic/channel/seer.

I wouldnt say that. anyway, who's to TRAIN a channeler? I am still very delighted by the SETH material, and I enjoyed the law of one, and even michaels messages.
you have to take it all with discernment. In this sequence I found the info reliable, seth top, michael bottom.
but of course there is a truckload of rubbish out there where discernment would filter 90% of the info - and then thats really useless. there is probably also guided disinfo by means of remote mind control.

its so amazing, any jack & joe, who couldnt tell mars from pluto is hearing a voice in his/her head and automatically considers it to be communicating the galactic federation if not the highest truth.
this is so much kindergarden.

[Majorion]

this is so much kindergarden.
Hi sam, indeed its difficult to keep an open mind when highly questionable materials are being imposed fact, and not just that, but in these same materials the authors always offer their own brand of "discerning disinfo". Frankly, anything that's so convoluted and self righteous as that should be considered disinfo. I see a growing trend in ufology, first it was the exopolitics movement, then it was free energy, what not, and now its "channeled" information. People need to get back to the original sources, Hynek, Vallee, and other serious research, where "theories" are proposed, as opposed to: "this is the absolute truth, and everything else you've heard is disinfo".

[Ventana]

:eek:
While looking for questionable UFO and alien myths one will come across this autor without fail.
This is a book review i did on amazon in ca. 2006:


The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive

May you live in interesting times - the old chinese curse is certainly true for all of us today. Many observations Mrs. Knight makes are somewhat true BUT -and this is the crux of the matter- as good as ALL deductions she makes from those observations are not just DEAD wrong, they indicate a psychological and medical condition I am not allowed to put in writing because Amazon staff would consider it name-calling.

What would you call me if I tried to convice you that our motor-vehicles are alien controlled by means of advanced implants in the steering mechanism? Crazy? I guess I could make a case of it from observing the irrate behavior of todays traffic and the many accidents.
However, if I make a case that aliens control every aspect of our life by means of time travel and are out to eat me (and you) or drink our blood or suck your fear energy like we would suck an energy drink - I'll have to ask: is that mental condition even covered by medicare? Mrs. Knight's husband, a university-level physicist, has never heard of Occam's razor (Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible) or forgotten to apply it to his wifes mental proceedings.
I am not kidding you, all this is from her books: She proposes that 4th dimensional aliens have controlled us by means of time travel since ages. They are 100.000 years technically ahead of us and have started the big wars and killed numerous politicians and other high ranking personel not doing their bidding. They have taken an average of 10% of dead soldiers from the battelfields, revived or cloned them and these serve now as slaves in huge underground facilities. They also abduct people on a regular basis.

It seems there is a growing number of people who have forgotten how to use their higher brain functions. A frightening lot fall for this crap and discuss it in earnest at their signs-of-the-times website forum.
As with all people who suffer from similar medical conditions (watch the good movie "a beautiful mind" for more info on that subject) proof to the opposite is simply ignored and if presented in a way so it can not be ignored will be deleted from perception (and as in my case also physically from their discussion board).

But don't take my word for it - check it for yourself before you waste money on the books. Sign on to their board and e.g. ask: "Why would these aliens with time travel capability be able to kill the Kennedys but not the author who ostensibly gives all their dark secrets away, has a stable address, no secret service bodyguards and is probably even listed in the phone directory?"
If her scanario where true the books would simply not exist.

If you read her books you'll find numerous examples of deeply flawed logic - although it is logic she is always calling to the rescue (btw: no need to read more than 1 or 2 books - all are highly repetitious in content).
In closing I cite one more example. There has been discovery of a substance named ORMUS in 1989 by one David Hudson. Mrs. Knight claims this substance is used to facilitate mind control over those who take it by means of flashing lights (strobes) mounted e.g. on police cars and ambulances. This substance is told to be highly dangerous (likened to arsenic) and the guy who found it is part of a government coverup and alien mind control etc. Now this is all good and fine EXCEPT it is proven fact (and this is not denied by her) that Hudson has been driven to bancrupcy by the government in trying to exploit his patents on ORMUS, suffered a heart attack and is not lecturing any more since then. At the same time ORMUS exists in abundance and could be harvested very cheaply. A 100.000 years advanced race should not have problems selling it like vitamin C to us. But only a very few even know about this substance and take it. And as the HAARP project (she says) will ALSO facilitate total mind control over us isnt that a bit of an overkill? And what makes this argument really bad is that according to Mrs. Knight in order to taste good to the bad guys you have to submit WILLINGLY to being lunch (free will and such). Wouldnt that mean mindcontrol spoils their food supplies? Not to mention that eating their revived 100.000 slave ex-soldiers should somewhat be easier to facilitate - or why not fly some of us off to a distant planet and open a human cattle ranch there?

If you start digging into the discrepancies and horrendous and hideous contradictions in her books you dont have to be a physicist to see the bull. But it sells well. So living nicely in the french countryside with few job opening suited for an old american housewife isnt easy I guess. Under these circumstances it certainly has its advantages if you can be an author. She should have sold it as science fiction though.

Thanks for helping me to save some of my hard-earned money. Honestly, based on your review I don't think this stuff would fly even as science fiction! I notice there is an interview with her posted now on the PC website.

[shybastid]

Sam? To admit you bought FIVE books only to do be dismayed and admit it? THAT my friend,is a badge of courage. To heck with her followers.:cool:

[Teakai]

Thanks for the review, Samvado. I don't think I'll be running out to buy the books.
I had never heard of her before seeing her name on Project Camelot. I tried listening to the interview, but after 10 minutes, I thought "I can't do this" and turned off.
So, I'm just going to trust your judgment on this one and save my money and my time :D

[Shairia]

I was glad I never purchased any of her books I started to read the Wave as a free ebook on her homepage and couldn't finish it. I had read the transcripts of the chanelling for free on a website.

[Snowbird]

I have a little experience with Laura Knight-Jadczyk, but I have yet to actually read her books other than The Wave that is online.

I have also, in all fairness to her professional integrity, watched the PC interview in its entirety. I could tell during the first half hour or so, that she has trouble being interviewed. However, as time passes, that timidity ceases and she opens up and discusses topics that I have read and heard from many others which indicates to me that she is a genuine professional.

She's very honest and forthright. She speaks her mind, which btw, is quite brilliant. She has also, in past years, done her homework before presenting herself publicly and professionally. I think what bothers people most about her is that as a woman, she will stand her ground and not allow anyone to discredit her knowledge and understanding. She is very bold.

[Ventana]

To be fair to Laura Knight-Jadczyck I have watched most of the you-tube video on the PC website and she comes across as quite intelligent and engaging. I have never read any of her books and like some of you have posted in this thread, I'm leery of channeling and channelers, especially ouija boards! We did that in Jr. High to scare ourselves. But the interview is actually pretty good and I felt she deserved at least a listen. It was entertaining but...someone in this thread referred to her as JZ Knight. I remember that name from Shirley Maclaine books. Is this the same person? Didn't JZ Knight channel someone named Ra or Rah?

[Redtailhawk]

To be fair to Laura Knight-Jadczyck I have watched most of the you-tube video on the PC website and she comes across as quite intelligent and engaging. I have never read any of her books and like some of you have posted in this thread, I'm leery of channeling and channelers, especially ouija boards! We did that in Jr. High to scare ourselves. But the interview is actually pretty good and I felt she deserved at least a listen. It was entertaining but...someone in this thread referred to her as JZ Knight. I remember that name from Shirley Maclaine books. Is this the same person? Didn't JZ Knight channel someone named Ra or Rah?

No, totally different person. JZ Knight channels Ramtha.

[Swami]

Laura Knight-Jadczyk......?
:nono:

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

I present the following [carefully!] as data only. Just reporting events for all you researchers out there.

Some of you may know that I was involved as the webmaster for the release of Project Serpo (http://serpo.org) material at the end of 2005. That was my baptism (by fire!) into the UFO community. I had volunteered to be the webmaster after being on Victor Martinez's e-mail list, where the material was being released, and Bill Hamilton had suggested that a webmaster was needed to archive the sudden flow of information. After that I was catapulted into a huge web of intrigue that leaves a number of unanswered questions to this day. On this page...

http://serpo.org/final_update.php

...I made my final summary and handled over the website to the moderators at the Open Minds Forum (http://www.openmindsforum.com).

Laura Knight-Jadzyck entered the fray after I'd been invited to the ATS forum (http://abovetopsecret.com) to answer questions about the Serpo material. Their Q and A with me and the subsequent heated discussion generated their record longest-ever thread.

Laura had been critical of ATS and had accused them of being COINTELPRO in several articles which had been well-researched and -written. She had contacted me because she wanted me to know of her opinions. I agreed with her evaluation of ATS: my experience at that time seemed to corroborate her COINTELPRO thesis.

Soon after that, in Feb 2006, Laura abruptly turned against me and decided that I was part of the COINTELPRO operation as well. She never explained her logic, and ignored my subsequent messages. She wrote on her site and forum that I was COINTELPRO and (after Camelot was born) that Kerry and I were not to be trusted [my loose paraphrase].

This false accusation showed me that - in this instance at least - Laura's research and capacity for data analysis were not sound. What then followed had a touch of comedy.

Kerry was quite unaware that Laura had been maligning Camelot, and promoted Laura by directing people to her site. I actually had to send an archived Camelot page to a well-intentioned member of Laura's forum [on their request] so that they could tell the other forum members that it was true that Kerry had promoted Laura despite Laura's criticism. During this period, Kerry had no idea all this was going on, and was determined to interview Laura as someone whose views and information she respected highly.

When Kerry contacted Laura with for an interview, I joined the correspondence and sent Laura a detailed and courteous message to clear up all the misconceptions she had about myself. Her response was that she preferred to meet in person rather that discuss all this by e-mail.

Meanwhile, John Burns and Kerry had arranged [this is now Jan 2010] to meet with Laura. John was acting as Kerry's cameraman, and Kerry told me he was instrumental in persuading Laura to go on camera for the interview.

For a number of reasons, I refused to join them. I didn't want to be a part of, implicated with, or involved with that interview, and based on what I know I do not support Laura's work. After Kerry had referenced Laura on Camelot, we had already been contacted privately by another Camelot witness (a very intelligent and well-respected man of the highest integrity) to warn us that from his own experience - he had also been falsely maligned by her, and her misplaced comments about him had also remained uncorrected - we would be most unwise to deal with her.

The summary is that my own meeting with Laura never happened, and (as best I know) Laura has never made the clarifying and correcting statements about myself that I requested.

I have not yet seen Kerry and John's interview.

All best wishes, Bill

[Vidya Moksha]

Hmmmm. I am currently reading the book that sawvado reviewed, the secret history of the world. I have found it useful on many levels and well worth the read. I cant say that I agree with all her conclusions, but I am impressed with aspects of the book and her research.
I think this forum in general misses the main point of several books and videos and posts. IT IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN BUT HOW YOU INTERPRET THAT INFO FROM YOUR OWN WORLD VIEW. What does the material that is presented do for you? how does it make you think? does it ring and bells or switch on any lights?
I would recommend reading her book and making your own judgement. It doesnt matter if you believe her channeling info or not. Be open to allow your own intuition and experiences be expanded by all these experiences.

dont be so closed minded avalon, do your own thinking.

[Lyricus]

For those who would like to contact her [with care] here is her link on Facebook:- http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/762784678#!/profile.php?id=762784678

The page is open so take a look if you wish......

PS before you ask; I'm not associated with her, I merely searched for her following the threads on this discussion.

[samvado]

Hmmmm. I am currently reading the book that sawvado reviewed, the secret history of the world. I have found it useful on many levels and well worth the read. I cant say that I agree with all her conclusions, but I am impressed with aspects of the book and her research.

What would be her research? she doesnt do research, she does channeling her future self. thats her sole infomation source. and even her husband now thinks she's crazy, based on what I read in a review elswhere, unfortunately cant recall where.

I am not bashing channeling per se - as I have explained above, but you have to draw the line somewhere. read my review AGAIN, now that you have read her book and based on that material of hers debunk my review - please. If you can not just dont ask anybody to spend money on that rubbish and waste valuable time. Thats why we have this forum, to help each other out in this mist of universal deceit. "make your own judgement" is all well and good with REASONABLE material. This is NOT reasonable, this is TRASH.

However, if you cant debunk my evaluation why not just say so?

[samvado]

I have a little experience with Laura Knight-Jadczyk, but I have yet to actually read her books other than The Wave that is online.

I have also, in all fairness to her professional integrity, watched the PC interview in its entirety. I could tell during the first half hour or so, that she has trouble being interviewed. However, as time passes, that timidity ceases and she opens up and discusses topics that I have read and heard from many others which indicates to me that she is a genuine professional.

She's very honest and forthright. She speaks her mind, which btw, is quite brilliant. She has also, in past years, done her homework before presenting herself publicly and professionally. I think what bothers people most about her is that as a woman, she will stand her ground and not allow anyone to discredit her knowledge and understanding. She is very bold.

you got to be kidding. I am not the least bothered by her "standing the ground". My 5-year old nephew stands his ground when he wants an icecream. It has to be the judgment of a somewhat sane and adult mind if he gets one or not. Laura is a psychiatric case. the "professional integrity" you see in her, if reflected to you, should give you pause.

[Vidya Moksha]

Hm, i am trying to be careful in what I write. I cannot debunk your review, because I believe you believe what you write. Its a valid review from your world perspective. I didnt say as much, but i have little or no time for most (all?) channelling material. However that does not mean that what she writes doesnt make something in my own views go click.. i used to read tarot cards a lot, it was the same then, the same card in different places could intuitively mean different things. I cant give you a scientific defence of tarot cards, as a scientists, but I know something about the cards works at some level, whatever that is.
Lauras' book clicks for me on some levels.

I do think that you are unfair to say her book is all channelled. I havent looked in detail but i would say less than 10% of the book is channelled. Her other historcial sources are all referenced.

i enjoyed the way the book made me think. It doesnt mean i agree with it all.

[samvado]

Hm, i am trying to be careful in what I write. I cannot debunk your review, because I believe you believe what you write. Its a valid review from your world perspective. I didnt say as much, but i have little or no time for most (all?) channelling material. However that does not mean that what she writes doesnt make something in my own views go click.. i used to read tarot cards a lot, it was the same then, the same card in different places could intuitively mean different things. I cant give you a scientific defence of tarot cards, as a scientists, but I know something about the cards works at some level, whatever that is.
Lauras' book clicks for me on some levels.

I do think that you are unfair to say her book is all channelled. I havent looked in detail but i would say less than 10% of the book is channelled. Her other historcial sources are all referenced.

i enjoyed the way the book made me think. It doesnt mean i agree with it all.

I wouldnt call it "research" when i state that the 2nd world war happened, followed by the statement that "an average of 10% of the soldiers where harvested by the reptilians" - and then give historical sources that the WAR HAPPENED. we all know that. the eating of soldiers should be referenced - but of course is not. Thats disinfo on her part - and a lot of people fall for it.

this is nonsense. of course you could debunk my review (if you could - but you cant) I dont make a lot of subjective statements (although some, and THOSE you cant debunk. but all the rest you can - if you only could). You just cant wash you hands and not get wet. take heart!

Nice you use Tarot, I have designed 2 decks myself (http://m31.de/tarot/), on top of (the first ever) tarot software, and did tarot readings (occasionally for money - what you would call "professionally") over 25 years.

and I am still a scientist. I didnt hand in my discerning mind when i started using my intuition.

[Vidya Moksha]

What would be her research? she doesnt do research, she does channeling her future self. thats her sole infomation source. and even her husband now thinks she's crazy, based on what I read in a review elswhere, unfortunately cant recall where.

. This is NOT reasonable, this is TRASH.

However, if you cant debunk my evaluation why not just say so?

She has 600 or so references in her book. fact. less than 10% of her book is from her channelling (approx, i have flicked through it). fact (ish). qed you are wrong in your assessment. trash is subjective.
you appear aggressive in your summary of her, now me... why?


yeah, tarot is back in my life again. I keep trying to shelve it, it wont let me. I was at advanced stages of having my manuscript published by a famous US publisher.. copyright problems and my intransigence stopped the book, but now magick and alchemy in ref to tarot have appeared in my horizn... i believe i must finish this manuscript lol, so i can move on....

[samvado]

She has 600 or so references in her book. fact. less than 10% of her book is from her channelling (approx, i have flicked through it). fact (ish). qed you are wrong in your assessment. trash is subjective.


yeah, trash is subjective, or else the street-bumms would not go thru our trashbins.
dont be a steet-bumm in respect to literature.

you logic is flawed. it does not MATTER how MUCH I write, if all I do is CITE 90% of sources and then inject 10% of "future channeling" - BUT THAT IS THE PART THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. That book wasnt written for the citings, it was written for her injections. it is not a history book (despite the title) btw. I am just using your numbers here, I have read the book in 2005.



you appear aggressive in your summary of her, now me... why?


First, I dont suffer fools gladly, second I have mars, venus and mercury in aries :-)

[lightblue]

each time I, I, I, I, I… is mentioned as many times, i tend to think it’s an “I” based theory - which may apply perfectly in the case of HER existence here and now and i suppose her soul group.

incidentally, the material she channels has lots to do with devouring, eating - both in her “riding the wave” and this audio here …the lady strikes me as a glutton...someone who still has to come to terms with eating issues…this maybe her karma…

i wouldn’t let her interpret my tarot card spread :no:…

:yes2: l

[Dougall]

I am looking at the video and what gets me is the echo chamber. Are the similarities between Kerry and Laura obvious to anyone other than myself?
The mannerisms and speech patterns they share are striking. They could be half sisters or cousins from my perspective.
Maybe I'm trippin cuz I heard about my 'Twin' again yesterday. I had not heard about him for 8 years or so and it is not a good feeling.
Anyway I posted all about my 'Twin' over on Avalon1 and I don't know if anyone here read it.

As far as the Laura Knight interview, I found the missing time in early life assertion interesting. The rest of it, I really can't listen to.
Not my cup of tea. But hey, if thats the sort of thing you like, then you'll really like that sort of thing! Ha ha ha

[samvado]

incidentally, the material she channels has lots to do with devouring, eating - both in her “riding the wave” and this audio here …the lady strikes me as a glutton...someone who still has to come to terms with eating issues…this maybe her karma…



rofl !!!!

[lightblue]

rofl !!!!


what's rofl? :confused:

[Grizzom]

Like so many others they start out sincere and on the right track and when things are going good they start making
outrageous statements and predictions that lead to their downfall? (Steven Greer is a perfect example of this)

Is it in the water,or are they wearing their aluminum hats a little to tightly?

Who knows what to believe in anymore and I think this is not an accident?

A confused public is easy to manipulate and TPTB may have started this whole new age movement just for this purpose?

"Trust no one and verify everything is my motto"

[Vidya Moksha]

ok last post from me, after all i am just a street bum, logically flawed and a fool, so what does it matter anyway? its all just wasted bandwidth.

quote "BUT THAT IS THE PART THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE" ..... in fact, what makes all the difference, is that I am very pleased to have encountered this book because of the way it made me think and for the insights I gave myself through reading it. it was in the right place at the right time for my personal journey. but then i do have mars and mercury and the sun in gemini so i am screwed mentally anyway eh? :P

i hope you can chill out sometimes my friend, i will stereotype, so forgive me if you will, chastise me if u need to (i dont care) but having spent so many years with dear dear german friends and after having a german partner for several years, they tend to take themselves and life too seriously. they cant drop out of 5th gear and smile at the trivial pleasures in life. and they cant see that they cant do this. "I didnt know how blind i was until i opened my eyes eh?" .

samvado, i will catch you on another thread, this one is done with me. Im going to read lauras book ;)

[samvado]

but then i do have mars and mercury and the sun in gemini so i am screwed mentally anyway eh? :P



Let's just say it IS a challenge. Do you receive benefits for it? <g>

I am amazed you take a stand for a thing so definitely, not a typical gemini feat.
too bad its an unworthy cause...

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what's rofl? :confused:

rolling on floor laughing

[Vidya Moksha]

ha ha im back on a thread i said i wouldnt post to. im such a hypocrite, or is that my gemini nature mr sam? :p

just to say, i have watched most of this interview with kerry (hey swanny! she's wearing your admiral's jacket).. poor stuff. not recommended at all. in fact, i took nothing from it, except when you read a book you get an image of the author.. Laura was way off my internal visualization.

tiime for deagle now, oh the joys of having broadband back....... like a kid in a candy store

[Majorion]

Meanwhile, John Burns and Kerry had arranged [this is now Jan 2010] to meet with Laura. John was acting as Kerry's cameraman, and Kerry told me he was instrumental in persuading Laura to go on camera for the interview.
Hi Bill, thanks for the insights.

One must wonder why John Burns would be instrumental with pushing Camelot in the "channeling" direction, honestly, we all know what this does, it completely discredits an organization like Camelot that is supposed to be focused on insider testimony. I'm gonna say it, this Burns guy is absolutely a plant, disinformant, whatever you wanna call it. Among other pseudonyms, the man doesn't even use a real name, I think "spook" would be rather appropriate.

Never let anyone stop you Bill, there will be those who - as a result - brand you the disinfo agent for exposing people like that, they will shift the genuine concerns your direction and project that on you, stay true to your ideals as you always have, and keep fighting the good fight.

All the best,

[samvado]

tiime for deagle now, oh the joys of having broadband back....... like a kid in a candy store

dont be too disappointed - deagle is in the same category. waste of time. although Bill (our Bill) defends him tooth and nail.

[Ventana]

After reading Sam Vado's review and watching most of the new YouTube video on the PC website I did a little googling and came up with the whole house raffle story. I won't pass judgment because I don't have the full story from all the people involved but it stinks to high heaven at first glance. So sad, really. It doesn't look like she ever proffered a good explanation regarding that matter. I would be very leery of splashing her name all over a website and associating it with her until I had satisfied myself that she was an innocent bystander. We are judged by the company we keep, whether we like it or not.

[sunflower]

Laura is a writer! I was impressed at first... A few years ago I scoured her websites and I learned alot and for the very first time picked up the concepts of service to self and to others. That was an eye opener for me. She is certainly a fund of information on many topics.

On the negative side, she has maligned many individuals...anyone who disagreed with her was quickly labelled a pathological organic portal or co-intelpro. Not a positive stance and this seemingly was encouraged on her forum. A good way to set yourself up above others as an expert. She had even devised a way to evaluate channeled information with hers, of course, at the top of the list.

No one is 100% perfect and Laura is no exception. But her specific talents have helped her connect various bits of data to bring out new realities. I guess I can say that she has done her share of waking people up. I agree with Vidya that it's up to the individual to sift through everything and find the stuff that resonates.

I watched the video yesterday. Kerry's interviewing style seems to have changed to accommodate the new kind of witness: the channeler. I had difficulty accepting the fact that on the whole she agreed with all of Laura's statements.

[Poly Hedra]

What has worked for me for a long time now is that I take in the information and I try to neither believe nor dis-believe.

It took me a good few times to watch the whole interview. I felt frustrated mostly. The interview needed more structure. The information was vague.

I dont feel the need to delve any further.

:)

[Snowbird]

you got to be kidding. I am not the least bothered by her "standing the ground". My 5-year old nephew stands his ground when he wants an icecream. It has to be the judgment of a somewhat sane and adult mind if he gets one or not. Laura is a psychiatric case. the "professional integrity" you see in her, if reflected to you, should give you pause.

You see Sam, I'm a lot like Laura K-J, in that I too stand my ground but perhaps with a lot less bravado.

If you or anyone are going to consider L. K-J a "psychiatric case", then you will have to clump together several people who blatantly acknowledge essentially the same information that she makes known. You will then also have to clump together many people who allude to this same information but who are afraid to come right out and say it for good reason. They know that once they do, they will be openly bombarded with criticism as in your OP.

We have been conditioned for millennia to accept only information that has been filtered through, and by way of, sources who claim to be all-knowing. Nothing less or more will be allowed. Anything outside of the box will be censored and those making the claims, will be made into "psychiatric cases", and by the way, I just want you to know that I do not appreciate a total stranger classifying me by association, as psychiatrically inferior simply because he/she does not agree with my stance.

Please feel free to disagree, but leave the name-calling associations at the door.

[3(C)+me]

In 1998 I Googled the following: alien ships in dreams. I got Laura's article the Wave which changed my life. I am thankful for much of her work. She is very smart and does her homework. I can see why at times she is paranoid she has been attacked alot from the PTB and the negatives. I would stand to reason that since we are at the end of a cycle and some of us will be graduating that communication with the higher realms would start to be very common. This is how i view channeled material but there are fakes out their so disernment is very important. Two channelers I think are very solid is the Barbara Marcinack and the RA material. I do not think she is any crazier than the rest of us. We all have our issues and we are here to deal with them. She always has been a polarizing person. This interview was well almost boring.

[samvado]

In 1998 I Googled the following: alien ships in dreams. I got Laura's article the Wave which changed my life. I am thankful for much of her work. She is very smart and does her homework. I can see why at times she is paranoid she has been attacked alot from the PTB and the negatives. I would stand to reason that since we are at the end of a cycle and some of us will be graduating that communication with the higher realms would start to be very common. This is how i view channeled material but there are fakes out their so disernment is very important. Two channelers I think are very solid is the Barbara Marcinack and the RA material. I do not think she is any crazier than the rest of us. We all have our issues and we are here to deal with them. She always has been a polarizing person. This interview was well almost boring.

I sometimes think that the originally "good sources" are corrupted along the way.

1) Jane Roberts died early from a mystical disease.
2) the channel from the law of one commited suicide
3) Barbara Marcinack's FIRST book is very good, the second is full of nonsense IMO
4) Steven Greers work & books up to 2001 are very good, after that he turn to be a psychopath and "muscle-wolff"
5) Osho was killed by black magic. this is not openly discussed but everybody who was present in his last weeks knows it. he said it himself.
6) finaly I somewhat also was turned on by her early "the wave" - and turned off by her later works and her present "being"

my personal theory is: as long as you fly under the radar you are occasionally hassled by lower STS entieties, but as soon as you start having an impact on the awakening of mankind your case gets handed over to the higher echelons of the dark side, and they have other means to deal with you.

nothing to proof that, just a theory.

[Vidya Moksha]

5) Osho was killed by black magic. this is not openly discussed but everybody who was present in his last weeks knows it. he said it himself.


care to elaborate?

[samvado]

care to elaborate?

not now. its all you need to know really, the rest would be gossip.

[justpeter]

I sometimes think that the originally "good sources" are corrupted along the way.

1) Jane Roberts died early from a mystical disease.
2) the channel from the law of one commited suicide
3) Barbara Marcinack's FIRST book is very good, the second is full of nonsense IMO
4) Steven Greers work & books up to 2001 are very good, after that he turn to be a psychopath and "muscle-wolff"
5) Osho was killed by black magic. this is not openly discussed but everybody who was present in his last weeks knows it. he said it himself.
6) finaly I somewhat also was turned on by her early "the wave" - and turned off by her later works and her present "being"

my personal theory is: as long as you fly under the radar you are occasionally hassled by lower STS entieties, but as soon as you start having an impact on the awakening of mankind your case gets handed over to the higher echelons of the dark side, and they have other means to deal with you.

nothing to proof that, just a theory.

Also Hubbard - Scientology.

[samvado]

Also Hubbard - Scientology.

yes! forgot him, but absolutely.

[3(C)+me]

Hubbard dealt with black/sex magic and was attempting to contact and did contact satantic entities. Good book to read is Sex and Rockets. Different catagory. Channelers are just people like you and me so your list Samvado does not prove anything except that you see the glass half empty rather than half full. It's not the person but the material that is what counts, by the way, Jesus was killed on the cross, I am sure you would say do to that his life was well, suspect, or how about Buddha? He was poisoned, suspect. Ghandi, shot to death, suspect. You,? Someone who is here to distract, suspect.

[bashi]

5) Osho was killed by black magic. this is not openly discussed but everybody who was present in his last weeks knows it. he said it himself.



You just aknowledged that Osho was not a real Master. Real Masters ARE Magic, they swim in it like fish in water; they do not drown in it.

[lunaflare]

samvado

your unyielding, self righteous and vitriolic response to LKJ is indeed a reflection of who you are (in my "subjective" opinion of course)
your intent is to disparage another human being.

interesting that you give yourself the right to call laura crazy, a psychiatric case, an old american housewife....
and references to her size make you "roll on the floor laughing".
why is this woman so THREATENING to you world view that you are intent to drag her down?
Laura researches what she writes and references her work.
Indeed, she is very well read.
you have your beliefs and she has hers

Samvado, this thread is more revealing about YOU than about Laura
i will never trust YOUR opinion as others seem willing to do on this post
i make my own judgements.

i rarely agree fully with another person's interpretation of reality. this is not the point.
in the process of reading or listening, however, i am given the opportunity to personally gain greater clarity about a certain subject,
something i read may widen my viewpoint. we are many aspects of the whole. hence there is no "one" fixed version.

your vitriol toward another human being is a signal that illumines how you view others who think differently to you
or perhaps, quite simply, is it the fact that she is a WOMAN?

[lightblue]

[QUOTE] Re: Laura Knight-Jadczyk: whats wrong with her?

Quote Originally Posted by samvado View Post
5) Osho was killed by black magic. this is not openly discussed but everybody who was present in his last weeks knows it. he said it himself.


bashi: You just aknowledged that Osho was not a real Master. Real Masters ARE Magic, they swim in it like fish in water; they do not drown in it.

[/QUOTE

]it may be that sam only thinks he's been killed ....l :yes2:

[samvado]

You just aknowledged that Osho was not a real Master. Real Masters ARE Magic, they swim in it like fish in water; they do not drown in it.

bashi, what can I say, maybe: stick to science?

what do you know about masters, real or not? how many have you met? you cant read about them and asume you know, there are realities that need to be experienced.
but maybe this will help:

if you have any notion about the law of one - then the 6 levels make sense to you. lets just say a "real" master here, of STO orientation, would be of 5th level. He can do all kinds of things you of 3d would call magic. He is still vulnerable to a coordinated 5d STS or a 6d STS attack.

so use you mind, you sharpest tool and go figure.

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samvado

your unyielding, self righteous and vitriolic response to LKJ is indeed a reflection of who you are (in my "subjective" opinion of course)
your intent is to disparage another human being.

interesting that you give yourself the right to call laura crazy, a psychiatric case, an old american housewife....
and references to her size make you "roll on the floor laughing".
why is this woman so THREATENING to you world view that you are intent to drag her down?
Laura researches what she writes and references her work.
Indeed, she is very well read.
you have your beliefs and she has hers

Samvado, this thread is more revealing about YOU than about Laura
i will never trust YOUR opinion as others seem willing to do on this post
i make my own judgements.

i rarely agree fully with another person's interpretation of reality. this is not the point.
in the process of reading or listening, however, i am given the opportunity to personally gain greater clarity about a certain subject,
something i read may widen my viewpoint. we are many aspects of the whole. hence there is no "one" fixed version.

your vitriol toward another human being is a signal that illumines how you view others who think differently to you
or perhaps, quite simply, is it the fact that she is a WOMAN?

if you are done throwing up, can you please clean up behind yourself?

[samvado]

it may be that sam only thinks he's been killed ....

that may be so. In the realms of a master I do not know how to be certain of anything. but its the closest expression we have in the english language.

I am fairly certain he knew or was willing participant because 2.5 years prior I had three dreams (not uncommon between him and his desciples) where he announced his departure for exatly that time. this dream was shared by at least 5 others who I know, possibly many more. now, if he knew then that he would go, can it be murder? I dont know.

[lightblue]

that may be so. In the realms of a master I do not know how to be certain of anything. but its the closest expression we have in the english language.

I am fairly certain he knew or was willing participant because 2.5 years prior I had three dreams (not uncommon between him and his desciples) where he announced his departure for exatly that time. this dream was shared by at least 5 others who I know, possibly many more. now, if he knew then that he would go, can it be murder? I dont know.


i think - more of a recognition and acceptance...:)

[bashi]

bashi, what can I say, maybe: stick to science?

what do you know about masters, real or not? how many have you met? you cant read about them and asume you know, there are realities that need to be experienced.


Well, the master i met, had announced his death one year before he left his body; arranged for a big function on that day, said "It is time now", sat down, sang OM and was gone.
Doing that apart from typical miracles, like raising dead people etc. That was 1960.
I met him 1985.
So far for experience with REAL MASTERS...

PS: This is not a joke.

.

[samvado]

Well, the master i met, had announced his death one year before he left his body; arranged for a big function on that day, said "It is time now", sat down, sang OM and was gone.
Doing that apart from typical miracles, like raising dead people etc. That was 1960.
I met him 1985.
So far for experience with REAL MASTERS...

PS: This is not a joke.

.

see - that comes from being too private. had you published your age I might not have expected you to be too young ;-)
but then again, what sense does you comment make in the light that you should know better?
did you get the part with 3d-5d-6d STO/STS?.

you met him 25 years after he died?

[sunflower]

Samvado and all who are posting: I am reading your threads and enjoying the exchange of ideas among all of you. Samvado, you are like a fire ant, stinging others into responding. And we are getting back scintillating concepts and ideas. Keep going. I consider this a valuable exercise in critical thinking. My thanks to all of you.

[lightblue]

you met him 15 years after he died?

you may have meant 25?

i think though bashi may have meant the master was raising the dead etc in the 60ties and that he met him in the 1985..that makes it 25.. the function must have taken place either in 1985 or later..he can't have met him after he had died? :yes4:...

[samvado]

you may have meant 25?

i think though bashi may have meant the master was raising the dead etc in the 60ties and that he met him in the 1985..that makes it 25.. the function must have taken place either in 1985 or later..he can't have met him after he had died? :yes4:...

25, sure, its getting late ....
corrected the original post.

its was meant as a funny aside after he wrote "this is not a joke"

[lightblue]

by the way sam, what did you mean by the sequence:


3d-5d-6d STO/STS?

thanks l

p.s. you should not have gone back to edit that out...my previous post now doesn't work...your original one was funny the way it was.. like you said, it was meant to be funny..

[Sunny d]

Baghwan ( Osho ) was a spiritual teacher.....IMHO and the beginning of the new age wave. (this doesn't mean he's a Master 2 me)
from wiki



In 1981, Osho relocated to the United States and his followers established an intentional community, later known as Rajneeshpuram, in the state of Oregon. Within a year the leadership of the commune became embroiled in a conflict with local residents, primarily over land use, which was marked by hostility on both sides. Osho's large collection of Rolls-Royce motorcars was also notorious. The Oregon commune collapsed in 1985 when Osho revealed that the commune leadership had committed a number of serious crimes, including a bioterror attack (food contamination) on the citizens of The Dalles. Osho was arrested shortly afterwards and charged with immigration violations. He was deported from the United States in accordance with a plea bargain.[8][9][10] Twenty-one countries denied him entry, causing Osho to travel the world before returning to Pune, where he died in 1990. His ashram is today known as the Osho International Meditation Resort.

[bashi]

you met him 25 years after he died?

You are the Master of the Masters, isn`t it ?

My post stands unchanged

[samvado]

You are the Master of the Masters, isn`t it ?


I wouldnt know - I would do my best - but this isnt about doing either.



My post stands uncorrected

do you know the difference between heaven and hell?

[samvado]

Hubbard dealt with black/sex magic and was attempting to contact and did contact satantic entities. Good book to read is Sex and Rockets.

and you know that because you read a BOOK? I just read a book that said thats all rubbish and us-gov. disinfo.
its a good book, read it for balance: The montauk book of the dead.

I never met Hubbart but I built my own e-meter and tried auditing - guess what, it worked. I regret I was too young when scientology was still Hubbarts baby.
did you read the pilot (freezone) - another good book for balance.

[samvado]

Baghwan ( Osho ) was a spiritual teacher.....IMHO and the beginning of the new age wave. (this doesn't mean he's a Master 2 me)
from wiki

none of this reflects anything about osho. its just wiki. and for gods sake, they dont even get 911 right.
they are good for scientific references - thats about it IMO.

[lightblue]

hi again sam..i am now curious

you said:


I wouldnt know - I would do my best - but this isnt about doing either.

but then again - you said you were one time osho's disciple..was it not about attaining masterhood? how long were you left short of upon his passing away?

[bashi]

I wouldnt know - I would do my best - but this isnt about doing either.



do you know the difference between heaven and hell?


Nuff said.........................

[samvado]

hi again sam..i am now curious

you are always curious



was it not about attaining masterhood?


no, it was about understanding and being still. masterhood can not be attained.


how long were you left short of upon his passing away?

what do you mean by that?

[lightblue]

but then again - you said you were one time osho's disciple..was it not about attaining masterhood? how long were you left short of upon his passing away?

i meant - how long were you short of reaching masterhood.. as osho passed away in the process of your stillness attaining...but you answered it already by saying masterhood was beyond reach :agree:...thanks l

yes i am curious because i like learning about other people's experiences...


"may our reach exceed our grasp
for what's the heaven for?" (browning)

[samvado]

...but you answered it already by saying masterhood was beyond reach :agree:...thanks l [/SIZE]

I didnt say that, I said it can not be attained, as in actively pursued. It can be reached, in the way a wave reaches the shore.

[lightblue]

I didnt say that, I said it can not be attained, as in actively pursued. It can be reached, in the way a wave reaches the shore.

actively or inactively - as long as it's recognised as attained, it is attained..it takes masterhodd to recognise masterhood..it takes a master to recognise a master..doesn't it? :victory:

bestest l

[samvado]

..it takes a master to recognise a master..doesn't it?

I hope not.

[Sunny d]

none of this reflects anything about osho. its just wiki. and for gods sake, they dont even get 911 right.
they are good for scientific references - thats about it IMO.


You quoted my words not the wiki part. I am familiar with Baghwan since the 80's. I was lucky not to be dragged in as a lot of friends were. I read a lot written by Osho and know a bit about him. I don't judge him.......... at all. His followers greed made him fall

[lightblue]

Quote Originally Posted by lightblue View Post
..it takes a master to recognise a master..doesn't it?
samvado:
I hope not.


who, or what does it take then do you reckon? :confused:

thanks l

[samvado]

You quoted my words not the wiki part.

It came out that way, I quoted all, the system didnt include the wiki - signs of artificial intelligence maybe



I am familiar with Baghwan since the 80's. I was lucky not to be dragged in as a lot of friends were. I read a lot written by Osho and know a bit about him. I don't judge him.......... at all. His followers greed made him fall

Bhagwan, or Osho, never fell. He was a perfect Zen master. I laught my ass off when the Ranch collapsed because that was exactly what everybody there needed. and precise timing too.
of course my time came too, when I got hit. But in retrospect it was all perfectly done, I dont know how "they" always get it so right, must be the nature of masterhood.

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who, or what does it take then do you reckon? :confused:

thanks l

coudnt tell, I just knew.

[Teakai]

you met him 25 years after he died?

So? I've heard of heaps of people finding Jesus - and he died 2000 years ago.

:-^

No offence intended.

[Teakai]

Samvado and all who are posting: I am reading your threads and enjoying the exchange of ideas among all of you. Samvado, you are like a fire ant, stinging others into responding. And we are getting back scintillating concepts and ideas. Keep going. I consider this a valuable exercise in critical thinking. My thanks to all of you.

Is Samvado stinging, though? Or is he just saying it as he sees it? And others are choosing to feel stung, perhaps?

I dunno. I've been reading the thread and don't see Samvado as being deliberatley provocative - and even if he was, don't we all have the choice as to whether to be provoked or not?

[lightblue]

Quote Originally Posted by lightblue View Post

who, or what does it take then do you reckon?

thanks l

sam wrote: coudnt tell, I just knew.

so you trust your own judgement and you don't expect anyone to doubt it...but you doubt other people's..is what follows from what you write..

think we've gone off topic... best l :wink:

[samvado]

so you trust your own judgement and you don't expect anyone to doubt it...but you doubt other people's..is what follows from what you write..

think we've gone off topic... best l :wink:

now you take my reply, which was given in the clear context of recognizing a master (or rather one master - osho) and generalize it. how is that going to help?

we have been off topic for a while but as I started the thread we are forgiven :-)

[lightblue]

no no, i wasn't generalising, only taking your osho's instance as example of issues where you can't have independent 'true or false' verification ... there are so many claims we can't prove, yet we take them to be true....because of our gut feeling or like you say "i just knew it" :meeting:...best l

[samvado]

no no, i wasn't generalising, only taking your osho's instance as example of issues where you can't have independent 'true or false' verification ... there are so many claims we can't prove, yet we take them to be true....because of our gut feeling or like you say "i just knew it" :meeting:...best l

not quite. while my initial response is the way you describe it - over the years **numerous** experiences convinced me of the truth of the matter. It could have been otherwise and I would surely have quit then.

Like in the case of TM, I was much younger and to start TM was 90% mental and 10% misguided decision. I held it up for all of 3 years getting drained of major cash in the process until I learned my lesson :-)

with osho it was 150% intuition and -50% mental (my mind was yelling: are you crazy? another guru? get OUT of here quick...) but I held the position until the situation proved my intuition right. long story to be told some other time maybe ....

[lightblue]

getting to know one's own self is about the toughest...we as humans are fickle speices...best l :wink:

[samvado]

getting to know one's own self is about the toughest...we as humans are fickle speices...best l :wink:

and imagine finding out there isnt a self .. in the end. <bellylaughter>

[yiolas]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG W/LAURA KNIGHT-JADCZYK

I just found the time to listen to Kerry's interview w/Laura Knight. I highly recommend it . Laura is exceptionally knowledgeable, well read and an intuitive to boot.

This is the link to the interview:

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/laura_knight_jadczyk/laura_knight_jadczyk.html

[Blacklight43]

Thank you Yiola, I found the interview very informative. Look forward to more from her.

[Snowbird]

Is Samvado stinging, though? Or is he just saying it as he sees it? And others are choosing to feel stung, perhaps?

I dunno. I've been reading the thread and don't see Samvado as being deliberatley provocative - and even if he was, don't we all have the choice as to whether to be provoked or not?

This is a great reminder, Teakai. Thanks for posting it.:nod:

[yiolas]

I have a little experience with Laura Knight-Jadczyk, but I have yet to actually read her books other than The Wave that is online.

I have also, in all fairness to her professional integrity, watched the PC interview in its entirety. I could tell during the first half hour or so, that she has trouble being interviewed. However, as time passes, that timidity ceases and she opens up and discusses topics that I have read and heard from many others which indicates to me that she is a genuine professional.

She's very honest and forthright. She speaks her mind, which btw, is quite brilliant. She has also, in past years, done her homework before presenting herself publicly and professionally. I think what bothers people most about her is that as a woman, she will stand her ground and not allow anyone to discredit her knowledge and understanding. She is very bold.

Thank-you Snowbird, I too listened to the PC interview in its entirety. She really opened up in the second half and found that it was a very enjoyable and intelligent interview.
BTW, What kind if thread heading is that ? Laura Knight-Jadczyk:whats wrong with her? I quess some guys are threatened by an intelligent, gifted and articulate woman.

[samvado]

I quess some guys are threatened by an intelligent, gifted and articulate woman.

I guess it should be against etiquette here say such a thing, because I can tell you that she is neither. she is a psychotic seriously mentally disturbed human being, in dire need for medical attention.
And about the intelligent, gifted and articulate woman I am supposed to fear you may talk to my gf who is a chiropractor, medical doctor and all of what you just mentioned. we get along rather well, except sometimes when we discuss vacations.

[yiolas]

I guess it should be against etiquette here say such a thing, because I can tell you that she is neither. she is a psychotic seriously mentally disturbed human being, in dire need for medical attention.


Sam, on what premise, facts or information do you base your above statement ?

[samvado]

Sam, on what premise, facts or information do you base your above statement ?

all my experience with her, the books and the (few) weeks on her message board. but dont take my word fore it, ask other intelligent people like the guy I reference here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?605-A-well-founded-view-on-the-alien-issue/page3), he was initially in favour, then dug a little deeper, and voilá, the same impressions as I have had. try it, its fun if you dont get too involved :-)

[Sunny d]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1049471/pg1

Laura is no coming to the Nexus conference in Amsterdam???

[samvado]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1049471/pg1

Laura is no coming to the Nexus conference in Amsterdam???


I dont think so, and I am amazed she was even scheduled. I know for a fact what the nexus editor thinks of her, and its very close to what I think. but I guess they are running out of interesting personas ...

its not really news that she is a fraud, that guy didnt do his homework .-)

[perfectresonance]

I had never run across her before until the Camelot interview, and I sat up and took notice. That was once convincing performance. I tagged her as someone I had to look into a little more (I was listening to a downloaded podcast on my phone while lying in my tent waiting for sleep to arrive ;)) And when I got back I noticed you popped my balloon ;)

Pity. She sounded interesting.

(tongue in cheek) Wouldn't it be quicker for all of us if you make a document of people you have given the "Sam Seal of Approval?"

[perfectresonance]

BTW, What kind if thread heading is that ? Laura Knight-Jadczyk:whats wrong with her? I quess some guys are threatened by an intelligent, gifted and articulate woman.

I guess some guys are.

But I haven't seen any here that appear to base their judgment on gender alone, if at all.

Playing the "gender" card like this is a cheap device and we can do better around here, can't we?

[samvado]

"Sam Seal of Approval?"

afraid I wouldnt pass myself >:-)

have been duped too many times

[yiolas]

Looks like Kerry's interview with Laura is receiving world wide interest and aclaim.
This just in from: Sott.net

'When Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot stopped by to interview Laura Knight-Jadczyk in early February, we had our own cameras and microphones set up to record.

Laura shares a personal account of her uncompromising search for the true nature of existence and her innovative inquiry into the paranormal, past lives and the unknown, that has served as an inspiration for so many.

In less than two weeks of this video being released, almost 30,000 people have watched the full in-depth presentation that has generated worldwide interest and acclaim. It has received praise and recognition of Laura's passion for reality over illusion, her open mindedness and refusal to compromise the Truth. '

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207748-Kerry-Cassidy-of-Project-Camelot-Interviews-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk

[Vidya Moksha]

Its funny, maybe its just me, i was very disappointed by this interview. I must admit I was hoping for a lot more, so maybe it was my expectations that got in the way. I enjoy her writing, though I dont agree with it all, there is enough her in work to make you think, and she is well researched. SOTT has done themselves no favours wading into Jim Humble.. its crazy how these people develop sycophantic followers isnt it? (look around here lol)

[yiolas]

Hi Vidya,
Believe it or not I had never heard of Laura before. During the beginning of the interview I got distracted by other things because I got bored.
It got really good towards the end and I was impressed by Laura's vast knowledge of the topics discussed and her interesting insights.

It is unfortunate about Jim Humble though.

[Vidya Moksha]

ok i have to admit i couldnt make it to the last section, i will try again.. at what 'time' did it get interesting? can you remember?

[thedot]

samvado,

There should be some hidden reason why you have used your Amazon review of 2006 to start a thread against Laura Knight-Jadszyk in April 2010, four years after. If it's because of her refusal to speak at the Nexus 2010 conference, then, sorry, I had followed the recent discussion on her website about it and concluded that she had all reasons to do so.

More than that, the arrogant tone and wording of her opponents in that discussion made me think that they planned to "welcome" her at that conference the same way, by a sort of public execution, and were disappointed that she didn't come. Before that discussion I equally respected both parties, but was literally shocked by the grossness of Laura's opponents - even if she was wrong, I couldn't imagine a decent and self-respecting man to talk to a woman in such an unbridled, hysterical and psychopathic manner!

That discussion has been closed at the SOTT website. What are the true reasons of its resurrection here, at Avalon Forum?

[barefoot]

Hi All:---

I've come to the thread looking for info on something else.. Decided to stay to read a bit Part of this morning's search brought up another site. For what it's worth:

A comparison of Anna Hayes and Laura Knight Jadczyk can be found:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message115499/pg47

At the bottom of the page:


Disclaimer:

DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE!

followed by small print elaborating upon the above disclaimer..

Many Blessings to all,

Bobbe

[Garry Irwin]

Like most of the posters on this thread, I have found LKJ's material to be mostly disinfo from a disturbed mind.
I bought her book, "The Secret History of the World" last year and read it all the way through... it's a rather large book and took me a while, but I stuck with it.
No doubt she has done some serious research to fill such a volume, but it's all very much presented from her own "I'm telling you how it is and everyone else is wrong" viewpoint.
The chapters on channelling need to be viewed with scepticism and are probably an attempt to give more credence to her own agenda. Interestingly, I read an Internet article about LKJ from someone who claimed to have worked with her. This woman stated in no uncertain terms about how LKJ manipulated the interpretations so that everything fitted neatly into her own world view.
Later I also tried to watch the Kerry Cassidy Camelot interview with LKJ and turned it off after 15 minutes of nothing much worthwhile being said.
So I would conclude; don't waste your time and money on her over-bearing nonsense.
Anyone want a second-hand copy of her book before I chuck it in the bin? LOL

[Icecold]

The only reason I found this thread was that Upanatom posted and raised it from the underworld.

It took me hours to read through all of this and also all of the links and linked threads.

I have a history with LKJ. I could publish emails from her to me, right here in this thread which would give Samvado a lot of support for his view and demolish his critics on this thread.

But I won't do that. In fact I'll say some good things about Laura. Laura is a very good researcher. IF she trusts you, she is a good friend. She has some worthwhile gifts, she is very intelligent,
she is a fine writer. She loves animals and is a good mother. Well, that's about it for the good points.

She is a little paranoid, make no mistake. She has low self esteem which is a sad, not bad thing. She makes an enormous amount of enemies, vehement enemies which should set alarm bells off among her supporters. One doesn't make the amount of enemies she has made without there being something seriously wrong with that person.

If you like her, you DON'T know her or maybe you are one of her cult members who are utterly brainwashed.

She has recently reincarnated as L.Ron Hubbard and started her own brand of scientology....

http://paleochristianity.org/statement-of-principles/

She is the co-author of a book on psychopathy which she refers to as Ponerology. She uses the theses of the book to accuse almost everyone she doesn't like of being a psychopath...if they are men. All her enemies are men. Interesting. I think she is a man hater. BTW her ex-husband is a psychopath. No news there.

BTW, I have never been accused by her of being anything derogatory, either privately or publicly. I'd just like to make that clear, I am not on her ****list.

Her forum is a front for a cult. No mistake. If you challenge any doctrinal view on the forum you will be psychoanalysed by selected high ranking members, so don't. If you object to the analysis you will be banned and forever seen as either COINTELPRO or a psychopath. Its an either or choice, gestalt thinking at its finest.

A life story......

http://www.sptimes.com/News/webspecials/exorcist/

Her channelled material is interesting and contains some very intriguing assumptions.

Definitely worth a read. I'm not sure how much of the material from each session is censored. I know that it is edited.

[MorningLightMountain]

does this mean that smoking is bad for you?...noticed her chainsmoking thoughout the interview and defended her smoking as an Indian ritual that enhances consiousness..
durn it...now I'll have to reconsider quitting again....cheers...D

[Bill Ryan]

The only reason I found this thread was that Upanatom posted and raised it from the underworld.

It took me hours to read through all of this and also all of the links and linked threads.

I have a history with LKJ. I could publish emails from her to me, right here in this thread which would give Samvado a lot of support for his view and demolish his critics on this thread.

But I won't do that. In fact I'll say some good things about Laura. Laura is a very good researcher. IF she trusts you, she is a good friend. She has some worthwhile gifts, she is very intelligent,
she is a fine writer. She loves animals and is a good mother. Well, that's about it for the good points.

She is a little paranoid, make no mistake. She has low self esteem which is a sad, not bad thing. She makes an enormous amount of enemies, vehement enemies which should set alarm bells off among her supporters. One doesn't make the amount of enemies she has made without there being something seriously wrong with that person.

If you like her, you DON'T know her or maybe you are one of her cult members who are utterly brainwashed.

She has recently reincarnated as L.Ron Hubbard and started her own brand of scientology....

http://paleochristianity.org/statement-of-principles/

She is the co-author of a book on psychopathy which she refers to as Ponerology. She uses the theses of the book to accuse almost everyone she doesn't like of being a psychopath...if they are men. All her enemies are men. Interesting. I think she is a man hater. BTW her ex-husband is a psychopath. No news there.

BTW, I have never been accused by her of being anything derogatory, either privately or publicly. I'd just like to make that clear, I am not on her ****list.

Her forum is a front for a cult. No mistake. If you challenge any doctrinal view on the forum you will be psychoanalysed by selected high ranking members, so don't. If you object to the analysis you will be banned and forever seen as either COINTELPRO or a psychopath. Its an either or choice, gestalt thinking at its finest.

A life story......

http://www.sptimes.com/News/webspecials/exorcist/

Her channelled material is interesting and contains some very intriguing assumptions.

Definitely worth a read. I'm not sure how much of the material from each session is censored. I know that it is edited.

Excellent post.

[ronbono57]

With an open mind I tried to watch her interview with Kerry today on PC but could only get 16 min into it, and that was hard enough. What the heck does Kerry see in her that she drools all over her like that? What a boring 16 minutes that was, and the energy from her was horrible. I could not listen to her speak if I had to, and I sure wouldn't trust her. Bad juju - and I rarely criticize like this, but she gave me the creeps. And Kerry baffles me as well...???

Horizons I agree with you regarding LKJ and Kerry. I've watched Kerry do some good interviews but she seems to believe anything anyone tells her especially if the topic is similar to the LKJ material. I actually watched the entire interview I wish I would have stopped after 16 minutes. Many of these people I've come across that channel seem to be good people not out to cause harm but don't they ever ask themselves how do they know who or what is really speaking to them?

[Liquid]

With an open mind I tried to watch her interview with Kerry today on PC but could only get 16 min into it, and that was hard enough. What the heck does Kerry see in her that she drools all over her like that? What a boring 16 minutes that was, and the energy from her was horrible. I could not listen to her speak if I had to, and I sure wouldn't trust her. Bad juju - and I rarely criticize like this, but she gave me the creeps. And Kerry baffles me as well...???

Yes, I felt exactly the same!

The only other person who made me feel like that was Ashayana Deane. Even if other people sounded like they were making it up, or at least exaggerating the truth a little, they didn't make me feel uncomfortable whilst watching them.

[Olaf]

I just started reading "The High Strangeness of Dimensions, Densities, and The Process of Alien Abduction (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_abductionabductees01.htm)" (German version here (http://de.cassiopaea.org/2011/09/05/fremdartigkeit-kapitel-5-die-cassiopaeaner/)) and "The wave (http://cassiopaea.org/)". I have the impression that many statements from the ouija channelings (but not from her conclusions) conform with what Simon Parkes is telling.

So do you think, there is substantial and important information in her channelings?

<=- update, 2 months later -=>

Meanwhile I have read the German versions of some of her books online on her website cassiopaea.org (http://cassiopaea.org/):

High strangeness
The Wave 1...5
Adventures with Cassiopea


I would higly recommend reading this material.
Mostly I just read the channelings only. Laura also quoted a lot from various important books which might be interesting for those people who want to go deeper and cross verify things.
I left out most of the episodes about Laura's personal life and the intrigues that occured from people that interfered her channelings because I started feeling like a voyer when reading those stories. This was especially the case in "Adventures with Cassiopea".

The ouija channelings gave me the impression of being highly authentic. In fact they go conform in many details with things, that Simon Parkes is telling from his experiences with 4th density beings since 2011.
The channelings already started in 1994.

During reading I had some insights, I had moments of laughter and moments of deep warm feelings for this world and I also experienced a kind of sharpening my watchfulness, especially when strange coincidences happen in my life.

Strangely enough I had two of such coincidences during the time of reading: I was two times confronted with people that have fragmented personalities. Both had memories of alien abductions, one of them also comes from a familiy with a very dark background, and there is some evidence that she also is a victim of hypnosis, programming and heavy traumata.
I think, somehow reading this material helped me to be prepared for confronting this.

As you may notice, I took some distance to her personal views and background stories, and I took what felt to be helpfull for me.

So my impression is: The ouija channelings from Laura Knight-Jadczyk are an important source for me.

[kfm27917]

interesting synopsis

https://www.sott.net/article/504359-AI-as-Epistemic-Tool-Vindication-Through-20-Years-of-Legal-Gauntlets-and-Defamatory-Lies