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Bill Ryan
21st August 2013, 15:02
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http://enenews.com/unprecedented-sockeye-salmon-at-dire-historic-low-may-entirely-shut-down-fishery-on-canadas-west-coast-we-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean-the-elders-have-never-seen-anything-like

Unprecedented: Sockeye salmon at dire historic low on Canada’s Pacific coast — “We think something happened in the ocean” — “The elders have never seen anything like this at all” — Alaska and Russia also affected




Aboriginal people in British Columbia who rely on Skeena River sockeye are facing some extremely difficult decisions as sockeye salmon returns plunge to historic lows.

Lake Babine Chief Wilf Adam was on his way to Smithers, B.C., on Monday for a discussion about whether to entirely shut down the food fishery on Lake Babine, something he said would be drastic and unprecedented [...]

Last month, the department noted returns for the Skeena River sockeye run were dire. [...]

[Mel Kotyk, North Coast area director for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans] said department scientists don’t know why the return numbers are so low. “[...] we think something happened in the ocean.”

“[...] We’ve never seen anything like this in all these years I’ve done this. I’ve asked the elders and they have never seen anything like this at all.” [said Chief Wilf Adam]

Full report here (Associated Press):
Lake Babine sockeye fishery at risk of unprecedented closure (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/lake-babine-sockeye-fishery-at-risk-of-unprecedented-closure/article13715638)

http://projectavalon.net/sockeyesalmon.gif

Camilo
21st August 2013, 15:09
It was just a matter of time before the effecst of the Fukushima leaks began to show.

Sunny-side-up
21st August 2013, 15:14
The effects of all the global pollution are starting to hit big time now, not to mention pure ice water melt that must be having an effect on salt water creatures of the sea's

Lone Bean
21st August 2013, 15:19
Acidification of the ocean, extremely high radioactivity levels, poisons dumped for decades, warming of the ocean waters.......a myriad of reasons for a mass die-off of all ocean species. If we don't raise our consciousness as a human family soon, we will experience our own die-off as well.

Atlas
21st August 2013, 16:08
Scientists think high water temperature could be to blame
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white wizard
21st August 2013, 16:27
Yea this is not good, but like other people have said it is most likely

Fukishima. This might finally be a wake up call to people that they

are being lied to. At the rate of 300 gallons of water leaking from the plan

a day, it might not be long till we get a bigger sign. keep your eyes open, but

pray this doesn't turn into an ecological disaster.

Dennis Leahy
21st August 2013, 16:44
More confirmation of humanity (and all living creatures) standing on a cliff and having loose soil beneath our feet.

I also realize that if anything is done, if we step back from the brink, it will not be all of humanity awakened doing it together, but rather just a small contingent, the bare minimum number of people required. Most of humanity is in survival mode - they can offer no help. Most of those not in survival mode will have to be pushed back from the edge of the cliff, and they will be kicking and screaming.

Dennis

sheme
21st August 2013, 17:02
So are the fish that arrive showing signs of radioactivity, Poison, pesticide, parasites, starvation? if not then this is probably not the cause.

Maybe aliens like salmon as well?

write4change
21st August 2013, 17:02
People should rewatch or watch Soylent Green. Art or theatrical commentary is often a from of prophecy because it is a vision shared by some form of collective consciousness.

Sidney
21st August 2013, 17:05
For those of us that grew up in the 70's, here is a reminder of what we may not have appreciated at the time(the good ole days). And this message of anticipation is valid today as well. Enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ_Mz8ftqI

Atlas
21st August 2013, 17:07
1 year ago:
shortage and price increases expectedOdgCZGvSvMg

northstar
21st August 2013, 17:11
May the Great Creator bring life to the water beings who live in the seas.
May the Great Creator bring life to the winged beings who fly in the air.
May the Great Creator bring life to the beings who live on land.

May Mother Gaia protect the spirits and bodies of our brother and sister beings who live in the water and keep them healthy and vibrant.
May Mother Gaia protect the spirits and bodies of our brother and sister beings who fly in the air and keep them healthy and vibrant.
May Mother Gaia protect the spirits and bodies of ourselves and our brother and sister beings who live on the land and keep us healthy and vibrant.

We are one body, one spirit, and one mind.
Those who kill the fish, the animals and the plants and poison the water, sky and earth kill all of us.

May the mighty power of the Great Mother Gaia unleash the forces to crush the dark ones who are systematically and deliberately killing life on our precious planet.
So be it.
It is done.

Flash
21st August 2013, 17:20
I am so sorry for our marine life. And I love sockeyed salmon. The atlantic salmon, which are far from as tasty, are now cultivated mostly and are frankly less and less good and healthy.

If this pollution is affecting all marine life, in this vast ocean, imagine at which level it has gotten, whithin about 70 years, not even a man's life.

In 70 years, we will be starving, all of us except the 1%.

Wind
21st August 2013, 17:22
This is humanity's collective dark night of the soul phase. The night is darkest just before the dawn... But fear not, since the dawn will be bright and so beautiful.

http://www.lynnegabriel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/RCP_0065.jpg

ghostrider
21st August 2013, 17:28
and so it begins, what ever sea life feeds on these salmon, will look elsewhere for their food, then their numbers decrease, and so on ... I remember seeing whales wash up on shore that were burnt, dolphins as well , and fish up north near maine ...something is wrong with the ocean for sure ...

TargeT
21st August 2013, 17:29
It was just a matter of time before the effecst of the Fukushima leaks began to show.

http://images.wikia.com/marvelmovies/images/f/fd/Face_palm.jpg


I lived in Alaska for the past 13 years...

commercial fishing is out of control (they fish out in the deep waters and run MILES of net) and ocean temps are changing.... this has zero to do with fukushima

this has little to do with pollution and a lot to do with earth changes (NOT AHTROPROMOPHIC) a lot to do with human greed, and that's about it.

Look around, do some research.

AVOID THE FEAR KOOLAID! it's not as tasty as it looks!

Flash
21st August 2013, 17:40
Thanks Target, you relieve my heart.

johnf
21st August 2013, 18:12
I lived in Alaska for the past 13 years...

commercial fishing is out of control (they fish out in the deep waters and run MILES of net) and ocean temps are changing.... this has zero to do with fukushima

this has little to do with pollution and a lot to do with earth changes (NOT AHTROPROMOPHIC) a lot to do with human greed, and that's about it.

Look around, do some research.

AVOID THE FEAR KOOLAID! it's not as tasty as it looks!

You make some good points here, Target, as I read the OP, my study of salmonids in college was poking at me.
The ebb and flow of populations of fish in the oceans are part of a very complex web.
We need to be aware of the vast scope of factors affecting this decline, before jumping to conclusions.
I was struck by the stress in the report in the OP by on the sockeye salmon.
I looked around for reports on other species.
There was one report that talked about multiple species in puget sound area.
It stated that runs of pink salmon salmon are expected to be good as well as coho.
Chinook runs are expected to continue to struggle.
The sockeye depend much more on plankton throughout their entire life than the other species.
Though I am sure overall because of fishing pressures they all are dwindling in numbers, it seems the sockeye are the hardest hit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockeye_salmon#Diet

So I think that there is something knocking off the lower part of the food chain.
My sense is that the zooplankton portion of the food chain is a lot more sensitive to environmental changes than other parts.
Similar to the massive declines in amphibian species around the world in recent decades.
I am sure it is a variety of factors including the sea warming, and mass die offs from electromagnetic changes.

However, all other species are dependent on this same section of the food chain, at least by proxy and at least in the northern part of the ocean will probably follow suit in years to come.

I expect there will also be shifts of warmer water species to more northern ranges as time goes on.
The resiliency of the biosphere is a truly amazing thing.
I think things will be rough for a lot of different species, but humanity sometimes has to adapt it's diet of ideas and habits before it will change with the environment.
This will probably be one of the survival bottlenecks that will urge us to change.

jf

avid
21st August 2013, 18:20
Sorry for this - but the US navy has done some terrible stuff with underwater sonar/radar which definitely trashes shoals wherever they are. Mixes up their natural 'radar' and causes the species to go mad and do unnatural behaviours. The same thing with bird deaths and radar - 'we' are messing with the magnetosphere to the detriment of nature. Birds, bees, ants, fish, et al - all reliant on magnetosphere - which is being trashed by geo-engineering. All in the name of the 'global warming' hype/taxation/lies about the universal effects of what is to come. The banksters will suck everything unto death - they do realise 'something' greater than them is coming, but to trash everything in their wake is unforgivable. Time to take stock and fend for family and communities.

TargeT
21st August 2013, 18:21
So I think that there is something knocking off the lower part of the food chain.
My sense is that the zooplankton portion of the food chain is a lot more sensitive to environmental changes than other parts.
Similar to the massive declines in amphibian species around the world in recent decades.
I am sure it is a variety of factors including the sea warming, and mass die offs from electromagnetic changes.

However, all other species are dependent on this same section of the food chain, at least by proxy and at least in the northern part of the ocean will probably follow suit in years to come.

I expect there will also be shifts of warmer water species to more northern ranges as time goes on.
The resiliency of the biosphere is a truly amazing thing.
I think things will be rough for a lot of different species, but humanity sometimes has to adapt it's diet of ideas and habits before it will change with the environment.
This will probably be one of the survival bottlenecks that will urge us to change.

jf

there was a brief temp spike in the Virgin Islands (years ago) that killed off a lot of hte zooplankton which lead to massive reef/coral die off, fish declines and the explosion of lion fish (a preditor with little-no fish above it in the food chain)

now, it's not what it was but it's not dead and there's still plenty of life; the humans here are actively trying to control the lion fish population... but when has that ever really worked (with low/no funding)?

I agree that the resiliency is amazing & would add that it doesn't have to always be the same as "it was" for it still to be healthy.

there's more turtles than you can shake a stick at down here (and they are all supposedly endangered or something) so they must fall out side of the reef/coral ecosphere influence.

Sidney
21st August 2013, 18:32
at this point, does it even really matter whats causing it? The reality of the (near) future is grim, no mater how you look at it. The reality (regardless of cause) is that there are MASS die offs everywhere, on a regular basis. Every species, and it appears we are next in line, whether its natural or not. My guess, is people are going to starve to death out of poverty.

Lifebringer
21st August 2013, 18:33
Methane seepage from the once very cold waters, warming up. That gas in the waters, instead of oxygenated water, is the culprit, I bet. They've shut down every site with the progress on the methane leakage in the streams, and oceans. One scientist took an empty plastic bottle over the bubbles, and captured the surrounding gasses coming up, and then lit the bottle's contents by putting a straw at the end on a cap and squeezing the bottle a little.

Horrific outcome if it fills the atmosphere, on top of the CO2. First sign of a lightening storm, you better head for the hills and get under ground, because the atmosphere will burn up, and the rays of cosmic radiation, will not be stopped from covering the planet.

Seriously, I saw it on PBS, and the Republican Corporate patsy's have been trying to shut them down since.

MorningSong
21st August 2013, 18:35
I don't know what the normal salinity should look like but here is a Sea Surface Salinity graph:

http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/global_ncom/glb8_3b/html/plots/glb/sss.gif

and here is an animated one which shows currents:

http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/GLBhycom1-12/navo/globalmld_nowcast_anim30d.gif

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/current-climate-conditions/oceans#section-19

johnf
21st August 2013, 18:36
So I think that there is something knocking off the lower part of the food chain.
My sense is that the zooplankton portion of the food chain is a lot more sensitive to environmental changes than other parts.
Similar to the massive declines in amphibian species around the world in recent decades.
I am sure it is a variety of factors including the sea warming, and mass die offs from electromagnetic changes.

However, all other species are dependent on this same section of the food chain, at least by proxy and at least in the northern part of the ocean will probably follow suit in years to come.

I expect there will also be shifts of warmer water species to more northern ranges as time goes on.
The resiliency of the biosphere is a truly amazing thing.
I think things will be rough for a lot of different species, but humanity sometimes has to adapt it's diet of ideas and habits before it will change with the environment.
This will probably be one of the survival bottlenecks that will urge us to change.

jf

there was a brief temp spike in the Virgin Islands (years ago) that killed off a lot of hte zooplankton which lead to massive reef/coral die off, fish declines and the explosion of lion fish (a preditor with little-no fish above it in the food chain)

now, it's not what it was but it's not dead and there's still plenty of life; the humans here are actively trying to control the lion fish population... but when has that ever really worked (with low/no funding)?

I agree that the resiliency is amazing & would add that it doesn't have to always be the same as "it was" for it still to be healthy.

there's more turtles than you can shake a stick at down here (and they are all supposedly endangered or something) so they must fall out side of the reef/coral ecosphere influence.

Wow, I am glad they are doing well somewhere, I like toituls!

jf

Lifebringer
21st August 2013, 18:37
Save some seeds and don't let them tell you, you can't grow to feed your family.

NEVER let them take that right away, or criminals will roam every home, in search of food and in desperation. If orchards of apples, and fruit trees in abundance are planted, and veggies, they can gleen for their families, they will calm down. They may not have the green thumb to grow, and can learn and seeds of the fruits can be planted on their space or green house also.

WE are better than panic, and now's the time to utilize our intelligence and think very much in survival mode, and protection mode.

Flash
21st August 2013, 18:37
Methane seepage from the once very cold waters, warming up. That gas in the waters, instead of oxygenated water, is the culprit, I bet. They've shut down every site with the progress on the methane leakage in the streams, and oceans. One scientist took an empty plastic bottle over the bubbles, and captured the surrounding gasses coming up, and then lit the bottle's contents by putting a straw at the end on a cap and squeezing the bottle a little.

Horrific outcome if it fills the atmosphere, on top of the CO2. First sign of a lightening storm, you better head for the hills and get under ground, because the atmosphere will burn up, and the rays of cosmic radiation, will not be stopped from covering the planet.

Seriously, I saw it on PBS, and the Republican Corporate patsy's have been trying to shut them down since.

The whole siberia is filled with methane gaz, this is more than the surface of the USA. It is right under the permafrost (under the coat of ice). It has been imprisoned by the ice for aoens. It this ice melt we are in dire circumstances. Better having an ice age than this. Add to this Northern Canada and you definitely have a mass extinction potential.

Lifebringer
21st August 2013, 18:48
They caught a cargo plane stopping off in Dubai where the billionaires who "do children hang out" and they found it filled to the brim/weight allowance of dry, canned, and bottled waters headed to some ?DUMBS. Reason I say that is, the pilot was to be switched, and the destination to be told to authorities, kept from them. NO explaination for cargo planes full of foods.

If they aren't stocking the camps, then they are stocking the DUMBS.
For the newbies, DUMBS = Deep Underground Military BunkerS

I told you the "chit has hit," and the effects special or otherwise, will be real.

Lifebringer
21st August 2013, 18:51
You betcha. It's why in the 70's, Voters/citizens and Presidents "kept the oil companies from drilling in the pristine waters of Alaska. Well, thanks to Exxon Mobile, Palin and other greedy paycheck gov's, we've all been sold a "drill baby drill, environmental timebomb." As long as this keeps going on, without monitoring the amounts going in the air, we are all world wide sitting next to extinct dodo's.

Lifebringer
21st August 2013, 18:55
All the BP, Shell, Exxon chickens coming home to roost.

If they think they will gorge their fat chins, as we starve, they are really delusional. Having information kept from people, to capitalize on the loss, will get their arzes hung from the highest yardarm.

MorningSong
21st August 2013, 19:13
I remember reading about this in the years past....

This article is from July '12:


West coast experiencing decreasing trends in salmon spawning
Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences
3 July 2012

Ottawa, Ontario (July 3, 2012) – The number of adult sockeye salmon produced per spawner has been decreasing over the last decade or more along the western coast of North America, from Washington state up through British Columbia and southeast Alaska. A new study published in the Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences says that this widespread decrease in productivity has important implications for management of salmon stocks and requires research into its potential causes to help determine future management strategies.

"It is possible that the downward trends in productivity across the sockeye stocks south of central Alaska result from a variety of causes, such as freshwater habitat degradation or contaminants, that have each independently affected many small regions,” says Randall Peterman. “However, the large spatial extent of similar time trends in productivity for over 25 stocks has occurred in both relatively pristine and heavily disturbed habitats. This suggests that shared mechanisms are a more likely explanation – for example, high mortality owing to predators, pathogens, or poor food supply that occurs across Washington, B.C., southeast Alaska, and the Yakutat region of Alaska.”

The authors analyzed productivity of 64 sockeye salmon populations and found that the decline in productivity of Fraser River, British Columbia sockeye salmon was not unique to that river system, and that productivity has also declined rapidly in many other populations since the 1990s. The authors also found that the region with downward trends in productivity has spread further north over the past two decades, an observation that is consistent with large-scale changes in climate-driven oceanographic patterns that were previously implicated as drivers of sockeye productivity.

The study “A widespread decrease in productivity of sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) populations in western North America” appears in the August issue of Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences

http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/story/10.4141/news.2012.06.29.77#.UhUQ0X_9WJZ


For more information contact:
Corresponding author: Randall M. Peterman (e-mail: Peterman@sfu.ca).

Full Reference:
Peterman, R.M., and Dorner B. A widespread decrease in productivity of sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) populations in western North America. Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences, 69(8): 1255-1260, doi: 10.1139/ F2012-063. [This article is available Open Access at http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/F2012-063]

TargeT
21st August 2013, 19:35
I remember reading about this in the years past....

This article is from July '12:

Yep, natures cycles :)

everything in reality is cyclic (patterned after vibrations, which everything is based on) as above so below, even in the ocean; a great example of the fractal nature of reality.

Atlas
21st August 2013, 19:41
Lake Babine Chief Wilf Adam :
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Atlas
21st August 2013, 19:56
Free money for the Skeena river salmon :
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bogeyman
21st August 2013, 20:17
If we understood the natural processes more, and try to keep a balance in all our activities these kinds of happenings wouldn't occur. It is more than likely the result of mans activities, we are taking too much of everything and not returning anything.

Sidney
21st August 2013, 20:35
If this radiation thing is a false flag, problem reaction solution, what will the outcome be from their motive standpoint. Probably to cover up, the lack of the autoorities ability to do their job. Maybe that is why they wanted to take down dutchsinse. Him and all his geiger counters, would surely figure out whether this stuff is really that contaminated.

Akasha
21st August 2013, 20:45
I am so sorry for our marine life. And I love sockeyed salmon. The atlantic salmon, which are far from as tasty, are now cultivated mostly and are frankly less and less good and healthy.

If this pollution is affecting all marine life, in this vast ocean, imagine at which level it has gotten, whithin about 70 years, not even a man's life.

In 70 years, we will be starving, all of us except the 1%.

By the 1% you mean vegans right? (removes joker hat) But in all seriousness it is the only feasibly sustainable diet for folk in the long run given the forecast for global population growth.

Conaire
21st August 2013, 21:03
The consequences of this will be dire for whole ecosystems. The Grizzly Bear rely on the Salmon run to prepare for hibernation, for example.
The knock on effect will be huge.

It really does seem like Mother Nature is falling apart at her seams, doesn't it.

Nanoo Nanoo
21st August 2013, 22:29
They have a specific breeding cycle. Any interruption can stifle numbers. Its been happening for a long time now with salmon in general.

Would pole shifts have anything to do with their migratory patterns ? Or have they gotten smarter and moved to new grounds ?

N

778 neighbour of some guy
21st August 2013, 22:51
So, early hibernation for the skinny bears this year eh, that's sad, I always enjoy the sight of them stuffing their faces with salmon ( on tv, never been to Alaska, but I know bears like salmon). Hope there is a berry explosion for them.

CdnSirian
21st August 2013, 22:53
The fish farms have irreperably damaged the entire Pacific ecosystem. This has been studied and suppressed by the Candian Government. BC Sovreign Nations were talking about this 10 years ago.

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Environment/2011/07/28/SalmonResearcher/

There are more articles about this and also some about the politics of fish farming in Norway - same scenario.

http://www.hancockwildlife.org/article.php/SalmonConfidential (documentary for sale)

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/04/13/salmon-confidential.aspx?e_cid=20130413_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130413 Article about above documentary. (Time for Mercola to start using shortened links!).

Bubu
22nd August 2013, 00:27
1 year ago:
shortage and price increases expectedOdgCZGvSvMg

Created, deliberately?

Nothingness
22nd August 2013, 00:30
I wasn't aware of this. I had a dream a few nights ago about salmon and going salmon fishing. I remember thinking: Hmm, the supplies are so low, maybe we shouldn't be doing this. But then when I looked as we were heading home with our catch, there was a huge supply just pouring into the rivers in a different dimension. Don't know.

Bubu
22nd August 2013, 00:35
and so it begins, what ever sea life feeds on these salmon, will look elsewhere for their food, then their numbers decrease, ..

Whatever specie that is feed on by the salmons will multiply. With less competition other species will thrive and multiply as well. Nature is pretty much self balancing and self thriving

Chucky
22nd August 2013, 00:43
Seems like to me for some reason that Fukishima maybe affecting the ocean streasm through that region. Sadly the changes have started to ramp up and the idiots in power are still destroying what they can before crunch time... My Opinion of course.!!

Sidney
22nd August 2013, 01:01
1 year ago:
shortage and price increases expectedOdgCZGvSvMg

Created, deliberately?

Interesting. This article is from the same year. Geez, they just can't keep all their lies straight.


FISH & WILDLIFE | ECOTROPE
Sockeye Run Sets An All-Time Record
Ecotrope | June 26, 2012 5:13 a.m. | Updated: Feb. 19, 2013 1:31 p.m.


CONTRIBUTED BY:


Cassandra Profita
PART OF SERIES:

Ecotrope

While the total number of sockeye hit a record high of 38,756, the Snake River sockeye listed under the Endangered Species Act are still just hanging on at a projected 1,900 fish.
The daily sockeye count at Bonneville Dam hit an all-time high of 38,756 fish on Monday.

That beats the previous daily record of 30,690 sockeye crossing the dam in 2010, according to Fish Passage Center data.

Weighing in at an average of 4 to 5 pounds, sockeye are the smallest salmon in the Columbia River. Their population tends to boom and bust in four-year cycles, according to fish biologist Stuart Ellis, so he isn't expecting next year's run to be as big as it is this year.
Weighing in at an average of 4 to 5 pounds, sockeye are the smallest salmon in the Columbia River. Their population tends to boom and bust in four-year cycles, according to fish biologist Stuart Ellis, so he isn't expecting next year's run to be as big as it is this year.
Fishery managers predicted a large run of 460,000 sockeye in the Columbia River this year. But according to Stuart Ellis, a fish biologist with the Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission, with a daily count as high as yesterday’s the run could wind up being closer to half a million fish.

Ellis said most of those fish are on their way to Canada’s Okanagan Basin and have likely benefitted from habitat improvement, water flows and hatchery programs in the upper Columbia River basin.

Habitat and passage improvements elsewhere in the Columbia Basin – in the Yakima and Deschutes rivers – have also helped overall sockeye numbers, he said.

Only one sockeye run in the Columbia is endangered – the Snake River sockeye. That run is improving, Ellis said, but it’s still projected to be just 1,900 fish, a very small fraction of this year’s run.

“This certainly doesn’t mean that we’ve recovered many of the wild runs to the levels that we want them to be at,” he said. “There’s still a lot of work to be done. But it builds everyone’s optimism that we can build these runs back up.”
In 1998, only 13,00 sockeye crossed Bonneville Dam in a year, Ellis noted. This year the daily counts have beat that number numerous times.

“So, that increases everyone’s optimism that if we do the right things, we can build up the Snake River population as well,” he said. “To a smaller degree, we’ve actually made some pretty good progress with Snake River restoration in building that run up from next to nothing. The wild sockeye in the Snake River are in a much better position than they have been. It was just recently that the run was on track to reach 1,000 or better. So, in anyone’s estimation it’s still critically low abundance. It’s still something everyone’s concerned about.”

skippy
22nd August 2013, 06:12
------- "We think something happened in the ocean."

And now, the ocean..? After the sun, the economy, the elite, the aliens, the controllers, the chemtrails, the archons, now it is the ocean..? Hi Bill, hope you are doing fine? Maybe you should take a break and get back to a big city for a while, talk to real people, get grounded again. Maybe, organize a conference to have a real discussion on what's happening or what's about to happen. When you are in an isolated place for too long, at one moment you start seeing ghosts everywhere, and I know what I'm talking about. I'm also worrying for many of your followers who don't know how to make the difference between fact and fiction. Calm down my friend. It is as it is and que sera, sera.

Atlas
22nd August 2013, 08:25
1 year ago:
shortage and price increases expectedOdgCZGvSvMg

Created, deliberately?
Not sure but in the may 2013 Lake Babine Nation newsletter, you can read:

The river feeds our entire nation with salmon; therefore utmost care should be taken to ensure our fish are not jeopardized in any way. During our discussion with Spectra Energy we were notified another gas company will be approaching us with a similar deal.
[...]
We also have gas pipelines coming across our territory. They have been coming to meet with us. This pipeline will cross above Babine. The big concern that affects all of us is that they are going to go across the Babine River. Will that affect our salmon?
http://www.lakebabine.com/files/pdf/Newsletter-May-2013.pdf
More info on their website: lakebabine.com/files/fisheries (http://www.lakebabine.com/files/fisheries.php)

gigha
22nd August 2013, 08:47
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread.
Could it have anything to do with the BP oil spill in the Gulf?

araucaria
22nd August 2013, 09:03
Fukushima and BP oil are not the only culprits; this planet is being trashed notably by those who are expecting a major cataclysm - because why bother when everything has such a short shelf life anyway.

The oyster industry here in France is also in deep trouble from a bacterium, which is particularly virulent against farmed oysters, which have been neutered to avoid having them turn milky in the summer months when tourists are a captive market at the seaside.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/shell-shocker-french-oysters-hit-as-mystery-killer-spreads-8744954.html

Similarly healthy wine crops have been wiped out in the Bordeaux area and Burgundy by huge hailstorms caused by sometimes tropical weather patterns - manmade again, not 'global warming' per se, but anthropogenic all the same.

http://www.english.rfi.fr/economy/20130724-hail-ravages-burgundy-vineyards-storms-hit-france
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2388623/Freak-hail-size-eggs-destroys-crops-Bordeaux-weeks-90-Burgundys-vineyards-wrecked.html

The best way to get bitten by a dog, or not, is to behave as though that is what is going to happen. We need to apply this principle to to our entire global village affairs.

Bill Ryan
22nd August 2013, 16:20
------- "We think something happened in the ocean."

And now, the ocean..? After the sun, the economy, the elite, the aliens, the controllers, the chemtrails, the archons, now it is the ocean..? Hi Bill, hope you are doing fine? Maybe you should take a break and get back to a big city for a while, talk to real people, get grounded again. Maybe, organize a conference to have a real discussion on what's happening or what's about to happen. When you are in an isolated place for too long, at one moment you start seeing ghosts everywhere, and I know what I'm talking about. I'm also worrying for many of your followers who don't know how to make the difference between fact and fiction. Calm down my friend. It is as it is and que sera, sera.


This report was not a ghostly event. It was real.

You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.

From the introduction to Thom Hartmann's masterwork, The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight: (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Hours-Ancient-Sunlight/dp/1400051576)

http://projectavalon.net/Introduction_Thom_Hartmann_Last_Hours_of_Ancient_Sunlight.jpg

jiminii
22nd August 2013, 16:34
it would be easier to fix this planet with a pole shift, but I decided to confront it, confront it ALL. WE have the most powerful beings in the universe on this planet right now and all we have to do is JUST DO IT. so DECIDE YOU ARE and CAN and WILL take RESPONSIBILTY for IT and WHAT YOU ARE. We HOLD OUR POSITION IN SPACE and take the planet back, then when we can return to the Galactic Governments, they will be able to fix it up faster and sooner than we can right now. But we CAN HOLD IT FROM GETTING WORSE. JUST DECIDE HOW YOU WANT IT AND PUT IT THERE.

jim

BY THE WAY SOME OF YOU ARE DOING JUST THAT RIGHT NOW

Jake
22nd August 2013, 16:36
it would be easier to fix this planet with a pole shift, but I decided to confront it, confront it ALL. WE have the most powerful beings in the universe on this planet right now and all we have to do is JUST DO IT. so DECIDE YOU ARE and CAN and WILL take RESPONSIBILTY for IT and WHAT YOU ARE. We HOLD OUR POSITION IN SPACE and take the planet back, then when we can return to the Galactic Governments, they will be able to fix it up faster and sooner than we can right now. But we CAN HOLD IT FROM GETTING WORSE. JUST DECIDE HOW YOU WANT IT AND PUT IT THERE.

jim

BY THE WAY SOME OF YOU ARE DOING JUST THAT RIGHT NOW

And,,, NOW is the time!!

Jake.

Mike
22nd August 2013, 17:18
it's like a buffet of blame - I don't even know where to begin or what to choose.

it's almost as if the ocean has cancer, and no single remedy will suffice. a wholesale revival in health is what's needed, it seems. it needs to be treated holistically. like the earth.

birds are mysteriously falling from sky; large numbers of fish are turning up dead on the shores - people want to know why, and I understand that. I do too. but I reckon there's a cornucopia of causes. shutting down haarp or legally reducing the amount of salmon that can be fished may not be the answers. I think it goes much deeper than that.

simply having good thoughts aint gonna cut it. the global rulers have left us (or are in the process of leaving us) a garbage dump. it's taken hundreds of years to get this way, and may take just as long to reverse, assuming that's possible. i'm an optimist by nature, but the odds are daunting.

I like Jim's and Jake's attitude. I couldn't be more in agreement. certainly *now* is the time! but the time to do what, exactly? how do we fix this?

Jake
22nd August 2013, 17:42
We have to stand our ground. Realistically, it will unfold in stages. Stay centered. We have to stay strong for ourselves, but we have to stay strong for the people around us, who are going to be blindsided to it. There are many elements unfolding. We have to remain centered, and try and not capture a space of fear. Right now, I would pray/send love/peace/healing to the people in Japan!! But that is just a start. I tend to believe that this planet has it in her to heal its wounds. I also believe that we, as co-creators and sentient beings, have it in us to greatly help 'power the machine' of our planets 'healing system'. Whatever that means to everyone,, Now is the time for our prayers/healings/etc... Do not despair. Love and humility,, not despair..

Jake.

Cristian
22nd August 2013, 18:03
https://sge.lclark.edu/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screen-shot-2012-10-23-at-4.28.33-PM1.png

http://www.futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/images/ocean-acidification-2100-future-ph-levels.jpg

TargeT
22nd August 2013, 18:15
You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.

From the introduction to Thom Hartmann's masterwork, The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight: (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Hours-Ancient-Sunlight/dp/1400051576)

http://projectavalon.net/Introduction_Thom_Hartmann_Last_Hours_of_Ancient_Sunlight.jpg


so it has to be Anthropomorphic?


the planet is so vast and complex, we can't even predict weather, yet we are sure that WE are the cause of all of this?

were there not die offs and extinction before?

I have a very hard time with this "global warming" type of thinking.

we should be more responsible and nature conscious, I'll agree with that part.

donk
22nd August 2013, 18:20
While there may be "natural" changes as well...the reason we will run out of breathable air and clean water is pretty antropomorphic. Let go of your emotional attachments to the "global warming" distraction.

Who does bringing up your constant reminders that the natural systems are complex and we don't have the exact evidence serve? We (as a species) are taking a big dump on the planet, and will reap what we sow...

araucaria
22nd August 2013, 18:27
We must not lose sight of what else is going on in the world:


--------

Dear Friends:

Every Avalon member must watch this video. It was brought to my attention this morning by the beautiful Ninja Nun (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12082-A-message-from-a-Nun-about-the-Charles-material). :)

It astonished me, and brought tears to my eyes. It is of the utmost importance. Spread it far and wide.

This is truly what we are doing at Project Avalon. We are at the very heart of this. A New Civilization, a new way of being on Planet Earth, is being born.




Blessed Unrest, by Paul Hawken
How the Largest Movement in the World Came into Being
and Why No One Saw It Coming



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1fiubmOqH4

jiminii
22nd August 2013, 18:31
it's like a buffet of blame - I don't even know where to begin or what to choose.

it's almost as if the ocean has cancer, and no single remedy will suffice. a wholesale revival in health is what's needed, it seems. it needs to be treated holistically. like the earth.

birds are mysteriously falling from sky; large numbers of fish are turning up dead on the shores - people want to know why, and I understand that. I do too. but I reckon there's a cornucopia of causes. shutting down haarp or legally reducing the amount of salmon that can be fished may not be the answers. I think it goes much deeper than that.

simply having good thoughts aint gonna cut it. the global rulers have left us (or are in the process of leaving us) a garbage dump. it's taken hundreds of years to get this way, and may take just as long to reverse, assuming that's possible. i'm an optimist by nature, but the odds are daunting.

I like Jim's and Jake's attitude. I couldn't be more in agreement. certainly *now* is the time! but the time to do what, exactly? how do we fix this?

everything is creation. But it always happens in thought before it appears in the physical universe. A spirit can not literally touch the body. It is like a spirit can not pick up a solid block of steal without crushing it. if you take the cellophane wrapper off a pack of cigarettes and try to pick it up without the walls caving in, then that is how hard it is for a spirit being to pick up a solid block of steal. He can't pick it up without crushing it or denting the walls with the slightest excess of force.

so there is a form around the body. Change the form and it will change the body. Back a spirit out of his connecting to the central processing part of his head Kand he can fix any part of his body. He KNOWS HOW TO DO THIS.

so the spirit moves the form and the body follows it. that is how a spirit moves the body without destroying it.

the rest of this universe is made of forms. From the forms the actual thing is created. Therefore change the form and the material will change with it.

it takes concentration of for example imagining a living being, (I did this once to my x wife 2500 miles away I missed her so bad I tried to imagine her actually here with me). I imagined it and made it more and more real until I could almost feel the living thing itself there and I was trying to seduce her too not knowing what was happening on the other side. I got it more real and more real and more real until suddenly something hard knocked me away. 2500 miles away is my wife and someone sees her bed is bouncing up and down and this OT knocked me off her. she had bruises all over her from some spirit, (me), trying to seduce her.

so take on the responsibility of handling the planet with your thoughts and make them more and more real until you actually can feel that your creations are happening. Then find some article on it somewhere of some miracle happening that no one can explain and that is you.

that is how you do it.

Create in the spiritual universe just like it would be in the physical universe.

jim

TargeT
22nd August 2013, 18:34
While there may be "natural" changes as well...the reason we will run out of breathable air and clean water is pretty antropomorphic. Let go of your emotional attachments to the "global warming" distraction.

Who does bringing up your constant reminders that the natural systems are complex and we don't have the exact evidence serve? We (as a species) are taking a big dump on the planet, and will reap what we sow...

now we are running out of breathable air and clean water?

where exactly is this happening?

this planet's oceans cover 2/3 of the surface right? how is our tiny presence effecting that again... topics like this really need some perspective.

when is the last time you walked, next time you go somewhere don't drive a car, walk to your destination; it's a really big world out there.

we are at the point where I want to know where the facts are, where the data is that shows we (as a species) are taking a big dump on the planet; you're going to have a hard time finding any because it doesn't exsist.

we see things happening, some we understand, most we don't and yet we then feel we need to blame ourselfs for global changes?

I'd willingly saddle myself with this guilt if I could see that it was based on reality; do we localy damage areas, we certainly do.

are we killing the entire planet? no, not yet.

skippy
22nd August 2013, 18:42
------- "We think something happened in the ocean."

And now, the ocean..? After the sun, the economy, the elite, the aliens, the controllers, the chemtrails, the archons, now it is the ocean..? Hi Bill, hope you are doing fine? Maybe you should take a break and get back to a big city for a while, talk to real people, get grounded again. Maybe, organize a conference to have a real discussion on what's happening or what's about to happen. When you are in an isolated place for too long, at one moment you start seeing ghosts everywhere, and I know what I'm talking about. I'm also worrying for many of your followers who don't know how to make the difference between fact and fiction. Calm down my friend. It is as it is and que sera, sera.

This report was not a ghostly event. It was real. Your comment was very unintelligent.

You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.


So, we are at the dawn of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years..? Mind to back-up your claim with sources of recorded history?

The world is in a bad shape and we all know it. Personally, I feel helpless about what can be done and how-to turn this thing around. If only I knew, and that's exactly the whole point... We don't know, and at the same time, we feel that the time is now. But, to repeat Chinaski, the time to do what, exactly? In any case, wild stories will not help people to take appropriate actions, at the contrary...

I take some holidays now from this forum, knowing that we are heading for the abyss at full speed. Here another video of Terence McKenna. @43:00, Terence is saying the following: “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.”

922bX9W5IHw
Terence K. McKenna and Timothy Leary, Unfolding the Stone, Los Angeles, 1991.

Sidney
22nd August 2013, 18:42
You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.

From the introduction to Thom Hartmann's masterwork, The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight: (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Hours-Ancient-Sunlight/dp/1400051576)

http://projectavalon.net/Introduction_Thom_Hartmann_Last_Hours_of_Ancient_Sunlight.jpg


so it has to be Anthropomorphic?


the planet is so vast and complex, we can't even predict weather, yet we are sure that WE are the cause of all of this?

were there not die offs and extinction before?

I have a very hard time with this "global warming" type of thinking.

we should be more responsible and nature conscious, I'll agree with that part.

How could anyone predict the weather anymore. When a nice rain cloud builds, they go spray some **** in it to dry it out. And vice versa. Wake up to a beautiful blue sky, 3 hours later its effing white. Who can predict that besides the ones who handle the flight schedules for the thousands of chemplanes.

They actually used to be pretty good at predicting the weather before the mid to late 90's. Then the spraying started. I remember, the sky was very blue back then. Even between the clouds. Beautiful deep blue. Like this.
anymore I try to not remember, because its too sad. 22501

jiminii
22nd August 2013, 18:50
------- "We think something happened in the ocean."

And now, the ocean..? After the sun, the economy, the elite, the aliens, the controllers, the chemtrails, the archons, now it is the ocean..? Hi Bill, hope you are doing fine? Maybe you should take a break and get back to a big city for a while, talk to real people, get grounded again. Maybe, organize a conference to have a real discussion on what's happening or what's about to happen. When you are in an isolated place for too long, at one moment you start seeing ghosts everywhere, and I know what I'm talking about. I'm also worrying for many of your followers who don't know how to make the difference between fact and fiction. Calm down my friend. It is as it is and que sera, sera.

This report was not a ghostly event. It was real. Your comment was very unintelligent.

You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.


So, we are at the dawn of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years..? Mind to back-up your claim with sources of recorded history?

The world is in a bad shape and we all know it. Personally, I feel helpless about what can be done and how-to turn this thing around. If only I knew, and that's exactly the whole point... We don't know, and at the same time, we feel that the time is now. But, to repeat Chinaski, the time to do what, exactly? In any case, wild stories will not help people to take appropriate actions, at the contrary...

I take some holidays now from this forum, knowing that we are heading for the abyss at full speed. Here another video of Terence McKenna. @43:00, Terence is saying the following: “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.”

922bX9W5IHw
Terence K. McKenna and Timothy Leary, Unfolding the Stone, Los Angeles, 1991.

when you say you don't know then you don't know. You decide it right there. and you will NEVER KNOW as long as you decide it is not knowable.

DECIDE YOU KNOW AND YOU WILL KNOW and it or the information will start coming in somehow. Decide you DON'T KNOW and nothing comes in an no solutions are found. That is how thoughts work.

jim

jiminii
22nd August 2013, 18:55
You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.

From the introduction to Thom Hartmann's masterwork, The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight: (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Hours-Ancient-Sunlight/dp/1400051576)

http://projectavalon.net/Introduction_Thom_Hartmann_Last_Hours_of_Ancient_Sunlight.jpg


so it has to be Anthropomorphic?


the planet is so vast and complex, we can't even predict weather, yet we are sure that WE are the cause of all of this?

were there not die offs and extinction before?

I have a very hard time with this "global warming" type of thinking.

we should be more responsible and nature conscious, I'll agree with that part.

How could anyone predict the weather anymore. When a nice rain cloud builds, they go spray some **** in it to dry it out. And vice versa. Wake up to a beautiful blue sky, 3 hours later its effing white. Who can predict that besides the ones who handle the flight schedules for the thousands of chemplanes.

They actually used to be pretty good at predicting the weather before the mid to late 90's. They the spraying started. I remember, the sky was very blue back then. Even between the clouds. Beautiful deep blue. Like this.
anymore I try to not remember, because its too sad. 22501

well thought is senior to all physical universe mechanics. so no airplane or anything else that wants to dry up a rainstorm I put there will be able to change it.
I have literally destroy more weather reports than I can imagine counting.

if you want to predict the weather, create it, get surety of creating it and nothing mechanical will be able to stop it.

jim

skippy
22nd August 2013, 21:12
------- "We think something happened in the ocean."

And now, the ocean..? After the sun, the economy, the elite, the aliens, the controllers, the chemtrails, the archons, now it is the ocean..? Hi Bill, hope you are doing fine? Maybe you should take a break and get back to a big city for a while, talk to real people, get grounded again. Maybe, organize a conference to have a real discussion on what's happening or what's about to happen. When you are in an isolated place for too long, at one moment you start seeing ghosts everywhere, and I know what I'm talking about. I'm also worrying for many of your followers who don't know how to make the difference between fact and fiction. Calm down my friend. It is as it is and que sera, sera.

This report was not a ghostly event. It was real. Your comment was very unintelligent.

You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.


So, we are at the dawn of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years..? Mind to back-up your claim with sources of recorded history?

The world is in a bad shape and we all know it. Personally, I feel helpless about what can be done and how-to turn this thing around. If only I knew, and that's exactly the whole point... We don't know, and at the same time, we feel that the time is now. But, to repeat Chinaski, the time to do what, exactly? In any case, wild stories will not help people to take appropriate actions, at the contrary...

I take some holidays now from this forum, knowing that we are heading for the abyss at full speed. Here another video of Terence McKenna. @43:00, Terence is saying the following: “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.”

922bX9W5IHw
Terence K. McKenna and Timothy Leary, Unfolding the Stone, Los Angeles, 1991.

when you say you don't know then you don't know. You decide it right there. and you will NEVER KNOW as long as you decide it is not knowable.

DECIDE YOU KNOW AND YOU WILL KNOW and it or the information will start coming in somehow. Decide you DON'T KNOW and nothing comes in an no solutions are found. That is how thoughts work.

jim

Go, Jimmy, go. Only a God can still save us..

HMjQygwPI1c

treeman
22nd August 2013, 21:34
------- "We think something happened in the ocean."

And now, the ocean..? After the sun, the economy, the elite, the aliens, the controllers, the chemtrails, the archons, now it is the ocean..? Hi Bill, hope you are doing fine? Maybe you should take a break and get back to a big city for a while, talk to real people, get grounded again. Maybe, organize a conference to have a real discussion on what's happening or what's about to happen. When you are in an isolated place for too long, at one moment you start seeing ghosts everywhere, and I know what I'm talking about. I'm also worrying for many of your followers who don't know how to make the difference between fact and fiction. Calm down my friend. It is as it is and que sera, sera.


This report was not a ghostly event. It was real. Your comment was very unintelligent.

You think the planet's doing just fine? We're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction on this planet in the last several billion years. Right now, as you're reading these words.

From the introduction to Thom Hartmann's masterwork, The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight: (http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Hours-Ancient-Sunlight/dp/1400051576)

http://projectavalon.net/Introduction_Thom_Hartmann_Last_Hours_of_Ancient_Sunlight.jpg


I´d rather be told the ´Brutal truth´ than be told a ´deceptive lie´.....keep up the wonderful work Bill.
A million thanks.

conk
23rd August 2013, 17:42
Skippy, we are ALL Gods. We are ALL creators, having been taught how not to create by the controllers. But, we are re-learning!

Bill Ryan
23rd August 2013, 21:13
are we killing the entire planet? no, not yet.


NOT YET.

Yes, Gaia's still alive. I can see grass and trees in the fields from where I sit. But she's being tortured.

Here's the question: Are we going to wait and take no action until we do irreversibly kill the planet?

Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) talked frequently about timelines, and the tangled complexity that the black projects guys have gotten themselves into (and some ETs as well) -- trying to fix complicated sci-fi dilemmas but instead making things worse all the time.

He told us there were four identified major timelines, of which one was acknowledged to be catastrophic -- to the extent that in 6,000 years time the Earth (on that timeline) was basically a barren, lifeless lump of rock.

That appeared to be a 1 in 4 possibility. But do you want to play Russian Roulette with the entire human race, using a gun with one bullet in a barrel of four?

Carmen
23rd August 2013, 21:35
The recent Botulism scare in the New Zealand dairy industry may be a blessing in disguise. What was thought to be the cause was a dirty pipe not cleaned properly but one of our vets is questioning that reasoning. He questions where the Botulism came from to be in the pipe! This vet is part of an International Study on GE stock feeds and the use of increasing amounts of glyphosate herbicides. GE stock feeds with glyphosate infused in it increases the prevalence of clostridium botulism in pigs, poultry and dairy cattle. There is a danger that this will pass into the food chain!

So far this scientist has not been silenced and most of our farming mags are carrying the story. I am hopeful that the gov inquiry that has been set up to investigate this disaster will get to the bottom of it and these enlightened scientists will have their say!

Seems to me Monsanto is being challenged on many fronts! We may finally get rid of the scourge of Frankingenes. People are waking up now to the dangers of mucking with nature!

Spike
26th August 2013, 06:15
could be the radiation, bp oil spills, the melting of the ice caps, or that black oil stuff stright from the x files the dolphins going crazy sure shows some thing is up. What are the affects of radiation on dolphins ability on using their sonar?

4evrneo
24th September 2013, 21:03
This well done, shocking documentary exposes the cover up of the salmon (viruses) farm industries in BC and the government agencies that are trying to keep it quiet.

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This really is breaking my heart, another example of money over taking responsibility.

TargeT
24th September 2013, 23:50
are we killing the entire planet? no, not yet.


NOT YET.

Yes, Gaia's still alive. I can see grass and trees in the fields from where I sit. But she's being tortured.

Here's the question: Are we going to wait and take no action until we do irreversibly kill the planet?

Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) talked frequently about timelines, and the tangled complexity that the black projects guys have gotten themselves into (and some ETs as well) -- trying to fix complicated sci-fi dilemmas but instead making things worse all the time.

He told us there were four identified major timelines, of which one was acknowledged to be catastrophic -- to the extent that in 6,000 years time the Earth (on that timeline) was basically a barren, lifeless lump of rock.

That appeared to be a 1 in 4 possibility. But do you want to play Russian Roulette with the entire human race, using a gun with one bullet in a barrel of four?

how is "she being tortured", how is anything happening other than a small mosquito bite or bit of dead skin....

the idea that (what you and I both have solid evidence of) our influence is destroying the world is a bit absurd, small (very small) localized damage, yes.. but nothing that lasts even beyond a few thousand years, at most! Mt Rushmore might last a bit longer, but most of what we do wont.

this is not an excuse to continue our localized damage and it's not to say we shouldn't change our ways; but I really do thing that stressing, or fearing un-neededly is actually physically harmful... if you haven't read the studies I'll look them up again, but this is a big motivator for me.

life is really a lot less dramatic than we sometimes think it is, though at the same time, deadly serious and worthy of our full attention and due diligence.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
25th September 2013, 03:36
I don't know how I missed this thread, but it's terrible to hear of this.
I am so sad to live in these times, seeing our world die.

What can we do at this point, except to start writing it down, and tell the story of what happened to us to the next sentient race that inherits our destroyed planet.

I hope that is not the real case, the above bit, but I am starting to wonder if it could be true --

The earth really is in pain.

Salmon THE Keystone:


Wild Salmon Center - Why Salmon Conservation
www.wildsalmoncenter.org/about/whySalmon.php‎
Salmon are the biological foundation, or keystone species, of coastal ecosystems and human economies. Salmon runs function as enormous pumps that push ...
Ecosystem Keystone: Salmon Support 137 Other Species - Bluefish
www.bluefish.org/keystone.htm‎
Jul 6, 2000 - OLYMPIA, Washington,(ENS) - More than 137 species of fish and wildlife - from orcas to caddisflies - depend on the Northwest salmon for their ...

Bill Ryan
27th September 2013, 20:07
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From http://apps.seattletimes.com/reports/sea-change/2013/sep/11/pacific-ocean-perilous-turn-overview

Pacific Ocean takes perilous turn
Ocean acidification threatens to scramble marine life on a scale almost too big to fathom

(full illustrated article, too big to copy here -- do read)

panopticon
28th September 2013, 04:50
Thank you, that was a very interesting article.
I was not aware of the effect elevated levels of CO2 has on brain signalling in fish.
-- Pan

Bill Ryan
19th October 2013, 19:48
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From http://theherald.com.au/story/1848433/the-ocean-is-broken






The ocean is broken





By GREG RAY Oct. 18, 2013, 10 p.m.
Ivan Macfadyen aboard the Funnel Web


It was the silence that made this voyage different from all of those before it.

Not the absence of sound, exactly.

The wind still whipped the sails and whistled in the rigging. The waves still sloshed against the fibreglass hull.

And there were plenty of other noises: muffled thuds and bumps and scrapes as the boat knocked against pieces of debris.

What was missing was the cries of the seabirds which, on all previous similar voyages, had surrounded the boat.

The birds were missing because the fish were missing.

Exactly 10 years before, when Newcastle yachtsman Ivan Macfadyen had sailed exactly the same course from Melbourne to Osaka, all he'd had to do to catch a fish from the ocean between Brisbane and Japan was throw out a baited line.

"There was not one of the 28 days on that portion of the trip when we didn't catch a good-sized fish to cook up and eat with some rice," Macfadyen recalled.

But this time, on that whole long leg of sea journey, the total catch was two.

No fish. No birds. Hardly a sign of life at all.

"In years gone by I'd gotten used to all the birds and their noises," he said.

"They'd be following the boat, sometimes resting on the mast before taking off again. You'd see flocks of them wheeling over the surface of the sea in the distance, feeding on pilchards."

But in March and April this year, only silence and desolation surrounded his boat, Funnel Web, as it sped across the surface of a haunted ocean.

North of the equator, up above New Guinea, the ocean-racers saw a big fishing boat working a reef in the distance.

"All day it was there, trawling back and forth. It was a big ship, like a mother-ship," he said.

And all night it worked too, under bright floodlights. And in the morning Macfadyen was awoken by his crewman calling out, urgently, that the ship had launched a speedboat.

"Obviously I was worried. We were unarmed and pirates are a real worry in those waters. I thought, if these guys had weapons then we were in deep trouble."

But they weren't pirates, not in the conventional sense, at least. The speedboat came alongside and the Melanesian men aboard offered gifts of fruit and jars of jam and preserves.

"And they gave us five big sugar-bags full of fish," he said.

"They were good, big fish, of all kinds. Some were fresh, but others had obviously been in the sun for a while.

"We told them there was no way we could possibly use all those fish. There were just two of us, with no real place to store or keep them. They just shrugged and told us to tip them overboard. That's what they would have done with them anyway, they said.

"They told us that his was just a small fraction of one day's by-catch. That they were only interested in tuna and to them, everything else was rubbish. It was all killed, all dumped. They just trawled that reef day and night and stripped it of every living thing."

Macfadyen felt sick to his heart. That was one fishing boat among countless more working unseen beyond the horizon, many of them doing exactly the same thing.

No wonder the sea was dead. No wonder his baited lines caught nothing. There was nothing to catch.

If that sounds depressing, it only got worse.

The next leg of the long voyage was from Osaka to San Francisco and for most of that trip the desolation was tinged with nauseous horror and a degree of fear.

"After we left Japan, it felt as if the ocean itself was dead," Macfadyen said.

"We hardly saw any living things. We saw one whale, sort of rolling helplessly on the surface with what looked like a big tumour on its head. It was pretty sickening.

"I've done a lot of miles on the ocean in my life and I'm used to seeing turtles, dolphins, sharks and big flurries of feeding birds. But this time, for 3000 nautical miles there was nothing alive to be seen."

In place of the missing life was garbage in astounding volumes.

"Part of it was the aftermath of the tsunami that hit Japan a couple of years ago. The wave came in over the land, picked up an unbelievable load of stuff and carried it out to sea. And it's still out there, everywhere you look."

Ivan's brother, Glenn, who boarded at Hawaii for the run into the United States, marvelled at the "thousands on thousands" of yellow plastic buoys. The huge tangles of synthetic rope, fishing lines and nets. Pieces of polystyrene foam by the million. And slicks of oil and petrol, everywhere.

Countless hundreds of wooden power poles are out there, snapped off by the killer wave and still trailing their wires in the middle of the sea.

"In years gone by, when you were becalmed by lack of wind, you'd just start your engine and motor on," Ivan said.

Not this time.

"In a lot of places we couldn't start our motor for fear of entangling the propeller in the mass of pieces of rope and cable. That's an unheard of situation, out in the ocean.

"If we did decide to motor we couldn't do it at night, only in the daytime with a lookout on the bow, watching for rubbish.

"On the bow, in the waters above Hawaii, you could see right down into the depths. I could see that the debris isn't just on the surface, it's all the way down. And it's all sizes, from a soft-drink bottle to pieces the size of a big car or truck.

"We saw a factory chimney sticking out of the water, with some kind of boiler thing still attached below the surface. We saw a big container-type thing, just rolling over and over on the waves.

"We were weaving around these pieces of debris. It was like sailing through a garbage tip.

"Below decks you were constantly hearing things hitting against the hull, and you were constantly afraid of hitting something really big. As it was, the hull was scratched and dented all over the place from bits and pieces we never saw."

Plastic was ubiquitous. Bottles, bags and every kind of throwaway domestic item you can imagine, from broken chairs to dustpans, toys and utensils.

And something else. The boat's vivid yellow paint job, never faded by sun or sea in years gone past, reacted with something in the water off Japan, losing its sheen in a strange and unprecedented way.

BACK in Newcastle, Ivan Macfadyen is still coming to terms with the shock and horror of the voyage.

"The ocean is broken," he said, shaking his head in stunned disbelief.

Recognising the problem is vast, and that no organisations or governments appear to have a particular interest in doing anything about it, Macfadyen is looking for ideas.

He plans to lobby government ministers, hoping they might help.

More immediately, he will approach the organisers of Australia's major ocean races, trying to enlist yachties into an international scheme that uses volunteer yachtsmen to monitor debris and marine life.

Macfadyen signed up to this scheme while he was in the US, responding to an approach by US academics who asked yachties to fill in daily survey forms and collect samples for radiation testing - a significant concern in the wake of the tsunami and consequent nuclear power station failure in Japan.

"I asked them why don't we push for a fleet to go and clean up the mess," he said.

"But they said they'd calculated that the environmental damage from burning the fuel to do that job would be worse than just leaving the debris there."

MorningSong
19th October 2013, 21:48
This vid needs to go here:

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MorningSong
19th October 2013, 22:02
This one too:

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Ilie Pandia
20th October 2013, 07:10
are we killing the entire planet? no, not yet.


NOT YET.

Yes, Gaia's still alive. I can see grass and trees in the fields from where I sit. But she's being tortured.

Here's the question: Are we going to wait and take no action until we do irreversibly kill the planet?

Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) talked frequently about timelines, and the tangled complexity that the black projects guys have gotten themselves into (and some ETs as well) -- trying to fix complicated sci-fi dilemmas but instead making things worse all the time.

He told us there were four identified major timelines, of which one was acknowledged to be catastrophic -- to the extent that in 6,000 years time the Earth (on that timeline) was basically a barren, lifeless lump of rock.

That appeared to be a 1 in 4 possibility. But do you want to play Russian Roulette with the entire human race, using a gun with one bullet in a barrel of four?

how is "she being tortured", how is anything happening other than a small mosquito bite or bit of dead skin....

the idea that (what you and I both have solid evidence of) our influence is destroying the world is a bit absurd, small (very small) localized damage, yes.. but nothing that lasts even beyond a few thousand years, at most! Mt Rushmore might last a bit longer, but most of what we do wont.

this is not an excuse to continue our localized damage and it's not to say we shouldn't change our ways; but I really do thing that stressing, or fearing un-neededly is actually physically harmful... if you haven't read the studies I'll look them up again, but this is a big motivator for me.

life is really a lot less dramatic than we sometimes think it is, though at the same time, deadly serious and worthy of our full attention and due diligence.

As I understand this, "life" took a few million years to get Earth to be the blue jem that it is now. The humans have appeared and we are on the path to trash this place in under 100 years, but let's say it 1000 years. That is still a blink of an eye in geological terms and very non-local. Just because we may not do it in our life time it does not make our damage tiny.

So it's a bit of stretch do downplay our effect here in the last hundreds of years, when it took millions to get here.

PS: yes, if we are to die out today, the Eco system will recover just fine! But this statement will not be true for much longer. So the question is, if we do manage to destroy ourselves, will we take the entire bio sphere with us, or not? And we are fully capable of doing that today.

araucaria
20th October 2013, 07:39
I read in today's Independent how they are addressing the Earth's problems with machinery.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/lets-play-god-the-scientific-experiments-that-might-save-the-world-or-destroy-it-8884386.html


Klaus Lackner has developed machinery that can extract 1,000 times more CO2 a day from the atmosphere than a natural tree

As if trees did nothing but extract CO2 from the atmosphere. I wonder how much CO2 was produced by the industry that built this machine. Why not plant a thousand trees instead and see everything else a whole forest will do for nothing as well. The last thing we/Earth need/want is artificial trees.

transiten
20th October 2013, 09:16
I've had this "Weissung der Cree" on my 12stringed guitar for 30 years:

Wenn der letzte Baum gerodet
der letzte fluss Vergiftet
der letzte Fish gefangen
werdet ihr feststellen
dass man Geld nicht essen kann!

When the last Tree has been cut down
the last River has been poisoned
the last Fish has been caught
you will realize
that you cannot eat Money

transiten
20th October 2013, 12:25
Now on Swedish radio they are talking about Gold telling the story about King Midas who had his wish come true that everything he touched would turn to gold. But then also his food turned to gold hence he almost starved to death before the Gods had mercy upon him and released the spell.

Seems like you can't eat gold either ;) Sync sync:tea:

Kindred
20th October 2013, 14:50
The Ocean is Broken
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1848433/the-ocean-is-broken/?cs=12

I can't imagine Why???:rolleyes:
This was just 'the beginning'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8CZAKSsNA
Chernobyl, Fukishima and the use of depleted uranium munitions across the world are just another part of the puzzle.

You don't necessarily need a nuclear war to create a world-wide nuclear holocaust.

Will life persist?... certainly... just not in the way we know it, for a few thousand years or so.
Life is like that.

To get a 'taste' of what it will be like, read Thiaoouba Prophesy... the part that reflects this issue comes up quite soon in the book. http://www.thiaoouba.com/mic.htm

In Unity, Peace and Love

Alan
20th October 2013, 15:14
Not sure how to reconcile this story with the rest of this thread -- are they 2 different species of salmon?

http://www.thesewardphoenixlog.com/story/2013/10/17/fishing/2013-top-commercial-salmon-season-ever/1954.html

2013 top commercial salmon season, ever

October 17, 2013 | Vol. 48, No. 9 | View PDF


As expected, Alaska’s 2013 salmon catch is one for the record books. Early tallies by state fishery managers show that fishermen caught 272 million salmon this summer, smashing the previous record of 221 million salmon in 2005. The fishery was powered by a whopping catch of 219 million pinks.

In terms of money, the preliminary harvest value of $691 million ranks second to the $724 million of 1988, called an “outlier” season by salmon managers. They also predict that once all post-season bonuses and price adjustments are determined by salmon processors, the 2013 season could be the most valuable salmon harvest in Alaska’s history.

Some highlights: For the second year running. Southeast again claims the title for the Alaska region with the highest salmon volumes and overall value. Fishermen caught more than 100 million salmon for the first time ever, valued at nearly $220 million at the Panhandle docks.

johnf
20th October 2013, 18:29
Not sure how to reconcile this story with the rest of this thread -- are they 2 different species of salmon?

http://www.thesewardphoenixlog.com/story/2013/10/17/fishing/2013-top-commercial-salmon-season-ever/1954.html


Indeed it is getting confusing for me too. Yes Chinook, and Pink salmon are two different species.
My understanding is that the Chinook tend to feed more on the larger food.
The pink salmon is very plankton focussed.

Here is another thing that is coming up.

http://gma.yahoo.com/second-sea-serpent-washes-california-001622390--abc-news-topstories.html

Just thinking out loud here, in the case of the massive fish die offs, the media gives no understood reason.
Same here with the rare occurrence of dead oarfish washing up.
Is there something that occurs with the electromagnetic fields in the ocean that can kill without various biologists
being able to say what happened to cause it?
The study of the ocean is really the study of the planet, the whole area of magnetosphere changes, and all the effects they can cause is
not something I think the scientific community really has a handle on yet, but is off course a huge bundle of factors.

jf

Kindred
20th October 2013, 20:08
[QUOTE=alamojo;746739]
Here is another thing that is coming up.

http://gma.yahoo.com/second-sea-serpent-washes-california-001622390--abc-news-topstories.html

Just thinking out loud here, in the case of the massive fish die offs, the media gives no understood reason.
Same here with the rare occurrence of dead oarfish washing up.
Is there something that occurs with the electromagnetic fields in the ocean that can kill without various biologists
being able to say what happened to cause it?
The study of the ocean is really the study of the planet, the whole area of magnetosphere changes, and all the effects they can cause is
not something I think the scientific community really has a handle on yet, but is off course a huge bundle of factors.

jf

See Suspicious0bservers video from today, regarding the 'sea serpent'... he posits a theory about the timing of these creatures washing up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBeolPP2IrE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

In Unity, Peace and Love

DeDukshyn
20th October 2013, 20:21
Interesting that fukishima and even chernobyl get mentioned over and over again in this thread. What about a million tons of Corexit dumped directly into the ocean? Not to mention hundreds of millions of barrels of crude ....

Another possibility is that 2012 saw a very unusually strong salmon run. It may have been just a one off event, but the fishing industries planned for the equal in 2013, and vastly overfished ...

Just some thoughts.

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[QUOTE=alamojo;746739]
Here is another thing that is coming up.

http://gma.yahoo.com/second-sea-serpent-washes-california-001622390--abc-news-topstories.html

Just thinking out loud here, in the case of the massive fish die offs, the media gives no understood reason.
Same here with the rare occurrence of dead oarfish washing up.
Is there something that occurs with the electromagnetic fields in the ocean that can kill without various biologists
being able to say what happened to cause it?
The study of the ocean is really the study of the planet, the whole area of magnetosphere changes, and all the effects they can cause is
not something I think the scientific community really has a handle on yet, but is off course a huge bundle of factors.

jf

See Suspicious0bservers video from today, regarding the 'sea serpent'... he posits a theory about the timing of these creatures washing up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBeolPP2IrE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

In Unity, Peace and Love

Most of these videos circulating of "sea serpents" are oarfish. Also, if sea serpents are there, they have always been there, not suddenly appear out of no where to eat millions of salmon.

Kindred
20th October 2013, 20:40
Interesting that fukishima and even chernobyl get mentioned over and over again in this thread. What about a million tons of Corexit dumped directly into the ocean? Not to mention hundreds of millions of barrels of crude ....

Another possibility is that 2012 saw a very unusually strong salmon run. It may have been just a one off event, but the fishing industries planned for the equal in 2013, and vastly overfished ...

Just some thoughts.[COLOR="red"]

Most of these videos circulating of "sea serpents" are oarfish. Also, if sea serpents are there, they have always been there, not suddenly appear out of no where to eat millions of salmon.

Yes... oarfish (I couldn't remember the name when I posted this piece - that's why I put sea serpent in quotes)... which many attribute to the concept of 'sea serpents' from the time of when sailing across the globe became more common.

And, Yes, the Corexit is certainly of concern, but primarily in the Atlantic... these oarfish have been washing up in the Pacific. As stated in my previous post, Suspicious0bservers makes an important point about the timing of these creatures arriving on shore... well worth the few minutes to comprehend the various goings-on at present.

In Unity, Peace and Love

onawah
20th October 2013, 21:14
Can you give us a more specific place to start with that, please?
Is it in a particular chapter of the book, and is there a link for it?
Thank you.



To get a 'taste' of what it will be like, read Thiaoouba Prophesy... the part that reflects this issue comes up quite soon in the book. http://www.thiaoouba.com/mic.htm

In Unity, Peace and Love

Kindred
21st October 2013, 01:02
Can you give us a more specific place to start with that, please?
Is it in a particular chapter of the book, and is there a link for it?
Thank you.



To get a 'taste' of what it will be like, read Thiaoouba Prophesy... the part that reflects this issue comes up quite soon in the book. http://www.thiaoouba.com/mic.htm

In Unity, Peace and Love

If you scroll down the link I originally provided, you'll see a link for a free copy. http://www.thiaoouba.com/mic.htm

It can also be read online (but no chapters noted) (http://www.galactic.no/rune/thaoeng.html), but can be tedious to do so.

Main link for this item is here (some absolutely Great stories of visitations): http://www.galactic-server.net/linkmap.html

The part I was describing begins near the end of the first page of the on-line 'book'. Just the same, I encourage anyone to get a copy and read the whole thing. It contains much spiritual knowledge and universal wisdom. One point I will make... I KNOW this is Not 'science fiction', and is an accurate account of the author.

In Unity, Peace and Love

RMorgan
21st October 2013, 13:27
Hey folks,

Check this out:


IT was the silence that made this voyage different from all of those before it.

Not the absence of sound, exactly.

The wind still whipped the sails and whistled in the rigging. The waves still sloshed against the fibreglass hull.

And there were plenty of other noises: muffled thuds and bumps and scrapes as the boat knocked against pieces of debris.

What was missing was the cries of the seabirds which, on all previous similar voyages, had surrounded the boat.

The birds were missing because the fish were missing.

Exactly 10 years before, when Newcastle yachtsman Ivan Macfadyen had sailed exactly the same course from Melbourne to Osaka, all he'd had to do to catch a fish from the ocean between Brisbane and Japan was throw out a baited line.

"There was not one of the 28 days on that portion of the trip when we didn't catch a good-sized fish to cook up and eat with some rice," Macfadyen recalled.

But this time, on that whole long leg of sea journey, the total catch was two.

No fish. No birds. Hardly a sign of life at all.

"In years gone by I'd gotten used to all the birds and their noises," he said.

"They'd be following the boat, sometimes resting on the mast before taking off again. You'd see flocks of them wheeling over the surface of the sea in the distance, feeding on pilchards."

But in March and April this year, only silence and desolation surrounded his boat, Funnel Web, as it sped across the surface of a haunted ocean.

North of the equator, up above New Guinea, the ocean-racers saw a big fishing boat working a reef in the distance.

"All day it was there, trawling back and forth. It was a big ship, like a mother-ship," he said.

And all night it worked too, under bright floodlights. And in the morning Macfadyen was awoken by his crewman calling out, urgently, that the ship had launched a speedboat.

"Obviously I was worried. We were unarmed and pirates are a real worry in those waters. I thought, if these guys had weapons then we were in deep trouble."

But they weren't pirates, not in the conventional sense, at least. The speedboat came alongside and the Melanesian men aboard offered gifts of fruit and jars of jam and preserves.

"And they gave us five big sugar-bags full of fish," he said.

"They were good, big fish, of all kinds. Some were fresh, but others had obviously been in the sun for a while.

"We told them there was no way we could possibly use all those fish. There were just two of us, with no real place to store or keep them. They just shrugged and told us to tip them overboard. That's what they would have done with them anyway, they said.

"They told us that his was just a small fraction of one day's by-catch. That they were only interested in tuna and to them, everything else was rubbish. It was all killed, all dumped. They just trawled that reef day and night and stripped it of every living thing."

Macfadyen felt sick to his heart. That was one fishing boat among countless more working unseen beyond the horizon, many of them doing exactly the same thing.

No wonder the sea was dead. No wonder his baited lines caught nothing. There was nothing to catch.

If that sounds depressing, it only got worse.

The next leg of the long voyage was from Osaka to San Francisco and for most of that trip the desolation was tinged with nauseous horror and a degree of fear.

"After we left Japan, it felt as if the ocean itself was dead," Macfadyen said.

"We hardly saw any living things. We saw one whale, sort of rolling helplessly on the surface with what looked like a big tumour on its head. It was pretty sickening.

"I've done a lot of miles on the ocean in my life and I'm used to seeing turtles, dolphins, sharks and big flurries of feeding birds. But this time, for 3000 nautical miles there was nothing alive to be seen."

In place of the missing life was garbage in astounding volumes.

"Part of it was the aftermath of the tsunami that hit Japan a couple of years ago. The wave came in over the land, picked up an unbelievable load of stuff and carried it out to sea. And it's still out there, everywhere you look."

Ivan's brother, Glenn, who boarded at Hawaii for the run into the United States, marvelled at the "thousands on thousands" of yellow plastic buoys. The huge tangles of synthetic rope, fishing lines and nets. Pieces of polystyrene foam by the million. And slicks of oil and petrol, everywhere.

Countless hundreds of wooden power poles are out there, snapped off by the killer wave and still trailing their wires in the middle of the sea.

"In years gone by, when you were becalmed by lack of wind, you'd just start your engine and motor on," Ivan said.

Not this time.

"In a lot of places we couldn't start our motor for fear of entangling the propeller in the mass of pieces of rope and cable. That's an unheard of situation, out in the ocean.

"If we did decide to motor we couldn't do it at night, only in the daytime with a lookout on the bow, watching for rubbish.

"On the bow, in the waters above Hawaii, you could see right down into the depths. I could see that the debris isn't just on the surface, it's all the way down. And it's all sizes, from a soft-drink bottle to pieces the size of a big car or truck.

"We saw a factory chimney sticking out of the water, with some kind of boiler thing still attached below the surface. We saw a big container-type thing, just rolling over and over on the waves.

"We were weaving around these pieces of debris. It was like sailing through a garbage tip.

"Below decks you were constantly hearing things hitting against the hull, and you were constantly afraid of hitting something really big. As it was, the hull was scratched and dented all over the place from bits and pieces we never saw."

Plastic was ubiquitous. Bottles, bags and every kind of throwaway domestic item you can imagine, from broken chairs to dustpans, toys and utensils.

And something else. The boat's vivid yellow paint job, never faded by sun or sea in years gone past, reacted with something in the water off Japan, losing its sheen in a strange and unprecedented way.

BACK in Newcastle, Ivan Macfadyen is still coming to terms with the shock and horror of the voyage.

"The ocean is broken," he said, shaking his head in stunned disbelief.

Recognising the problem is vast, and that no organisations or governments appear to have a particular interest in doing anything about it, Macfadyen is looking for ideas.

He plans to lobby government ministers, hoping they might help.

More immediately, he will approach the organisers of Australia's major ocean races, trying to enlist yachties into an international scheme that uses volunteer yachtsmen to monitor debris and marine life.

Macfadyen signed up to this scheme while he was in the US, responding to an approach by US academics who asked yachties to fill in daily survey forms and collect samples for radiation testing - a significant concern in the wake of the tsunami and consequent nuclear power station failure in Japan.

"I asked them why don't we push for a fleet to go and clean up the mess," he said.

"But they said they'd calculated that the environmental damage from burning the fuel to do that job would be worse than just leaving the debris there."

Source: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1848433/the-ocean-is-broken/?cs=12

Rocky_Shorz
21st October 2013, 14:45
they say there is enough plastic in the Pacific to build New York city 3 times, with solid buildings, not just the shell...

when the storms hit Fukushima these last few weeks, the holding tanks were going to overflow, so they opened the gates and let it pour in the ocean...

plastic is the only thing the radiation doesn't affect in the ocean...

Kindred
30th October 2013, 00:10
An excellent article on the Fukushima catastrophe, it's history, as well as a general background of the entire industry. It also discusses some ongoing problems that are not mentioned very often, if at all, for many years now - and for a very good reason.

Fukushima and the Privatization of Risk
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/29/fukushima-and-the-privatization-of-risk-with-majia-nadesan-ph-d/
“Japan feels energy-insecure so it embraced nuclear power and it also gave it the capacity to have on hand in a just-in-time kind of delivery system, the capacity for building nuclear weapons. So it was never about safety or what was reasonable. It was about the seductions of nuclear energy and its links to military and energy security.”–Majia Nadesan

Again - the potential of a nuclear holocaust as described in Thiaoouba Prophesy, becomes all the more probable in light of the above information.

Just the same, Enlightened Consciousness could make this All ... "Go Away"... in a Heartbeat.

I look forward to that Moment.

In Unity, Peace and Love

Bill Ryan
23rd May 2016, 14:24
.
This recent article in The Guardian is an opportunity to bump this important thread.

http://theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/great-barrier-reef-worst-destruction

Great Barrier Reef: the scale of bleaching has the most sober scientists worried

James Woodford, 17 April 2016

I pulled on my mask and dropped off the back of the boat into the warm water above Nursery Bommie, a dive site at Agincourt Reef more than 70km offshore from Port Douglas, in far-north Queensland, Australia. It is widely regarded as one of the most spectacular tourist reefs in the area.

As soon as I could start to make out the immense shadow of the bommie (an outcrop of coral reef) looming before me I could see that all around its flanks and on the summit, covered in just a metre of water in some places, were blemishes of white.

The closer I got, and the more I looked, it was clear there were white patches everywhere. The bleached colonies ranged from tiny plates, shaped like an upturned hand, to areas the size of a table top. Even more striking than the snow white corals was that all around them were other corals coloured in gaudy fluorescent hues that I had never before seen on such a scale. It was as if a masterpiece of nature had been repainted with a colour scheme more befitting a pound shop.

What I was seeing beneath me was evidence of an environmental disaster that has been unfolding over the past few months – the largest mass coral bleaching (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/11/mass-coral-bleaching-now-affecting-half-of-australias-great-barrier-reef) event ever recorded in this region. This bleaching is the result of a huge El Niño that has driven warm water into the western Pacific Ocean, smothering coral with temperatures beyond their tolerance.

I have dived hundreds of times, with different teams of scientists, along the reef. I have seen the aftermath of other mass coral bleaching episodes such as the most recent major event in 2002.

http://projectavalon.net/bleached_corals.jpg
Bleached corals at Agincourt Reef. Photograph: James Woodford

In my past experiences of bleached corals, the effect is patchy and, while one area is devastated, another will be mysteriously untouched. Yet the scale of this bleaching event has even the most sober and senior coral reef scientists worried. If the rhetoric from marine biologists is to be believed, then the Great Barrier Reef (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/great-barrier-reef) is now in the grip of a “bommie apocalypse”.

As I continued to dive the Nursery Bommie, the fluorescent pinks, blues, purples and greens became more abundant. While these colours might look striking, they signify that the symbiotic relationship between corals and their zooxanthellae, the photosynthetic algae, has broken down.

The fluorescent colours are always there but in healthy coral colonies the colours of the algae overwhelm those of the host coral, giving them their more typical reddish and brown hue. It is true that not all corals fluoresce, but if they have to survive for too long without the algae then bleaching becomes a death sentence.

http://projectavalon.net/bleached_coral_map.gif

Put simply, the majority of the corals on this bommie – bleached or fluorescent – were clearly dead or dying. And it was not only the hard corals. All around were soft corals, still swaying like spaghetti in the ebb and flow of the ocean, that were white and ghostly. Most striking was that the bleaching was not just near the surface, where the water is warmest, but at depths of tens of metres where huge colonies of coral were white as well.

I swam towards a wall of reef off the stern of the boat. As I approached I saw that the seafloor was covered in fragile staghorn corals. Such a patch would normally have been the highlight of any dive to this area but now, bleached white, it was merely more evidence that a catastrophe was under way. Dismayed, I swam back to the boat.

On board was an eclectic collection of reef stakeholders including Imogen Zethoven, the director of the Great Barrier Reef campaign for the Australian Marine Conservation Society, who had also made the dive.

“I was shocked,” she said. “I had expected some patches of bleaching surrounded by mainly healthy, colourful corals. I saw the opposite.

“For decades, scientists and conservationists have been warning that climate change is an existential threat to the Great Barrier Reef and all the world’s corals. We know what needs to be done: a rapid transition to 100% renewable energy; an end to fossil fuel subsidies; the phasing out of coal-fired power stations; and keeping coal in the ground.”

While the mass bleaching is caused directly by an El Niño, which pushes warm water to the east Australian coastline, many scientists believe climate change is making the El Niño worse and more frequent, and this is coupled with a general rise in sea temperatures caused by global warming.

Also on board the dive boat was the chief executive of the Queensland Tourism Industry Council, Daniel Gschwind. The reaction of his organisation to the current bleaching requires a balancing act – on one hand, highlighting the need to protect the enormous value of the reef to the Australian economy, worth a conservative AU$6bn (about £3.25bn) a year, while on the other, making sure that tourists are not scared off by alarming news. “The Great Barrier Reef is Australia’s most important tourism asset,” he said.

We dived at a second site at Agincourt Reef that day, at Castle Rock. Again, the underwater seascape was devastated by bleaching, and the scale of the devastation was beginning to sink in.

Scientists report that the same scenes are being replicated along a 1,000km section of the reef, more than a third of its total expanse. Of 500 reefs between Cairns and Papua New Guinea surveyed during this current episode, 95% have experienced significant coral bleaching – only four reefs showed no impact.

Prof David Booth, head of the Australian Coral Reef Society, the world’s oldest coral reef society, and representing some of the nation’s most respected marine biologists, said he had never seen scientists so worried.

“The visual is shocking but so is the disconnect between the severity of the bleaching and the decisions by governments to approve coalmines and coal infrastructure,” he said. “Australia is like a drug dealer for climate change – selling all this coal, but all the while knowing the harm we are doing.”

This particular bleaching event will end once the waters begin to cool. What scientists don’t know yet is how many of the corals will die, quickly being covered in a brown algae that tourists will not want to pay to see.

But there is still room for optimism. These areas can and will recover as long as the scale and frequency of bleaching does not increase. And some other areas that have been devastated in the past decade by destructive threats – such as cyclones and crown-of-thorns starfish – are now recovering well. The reef is always a mosaic of damaged, recovering and stable areas that are constantly changing with environmental conditions.

Coral has evolved to deal with attacks from nature. The question is: can it survive all the cumulative assaults from humans?

James Woodford is the author of The Great Barrier Reef (Pan Macmillan). His trip was funded as part of a partnership between the Australian Marine Conservation Society and Oris

Bill Ryan
2nd July 2016, 15:20
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This breaks my heart, but I have to post it.
From http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/30/world/plastic-plague-oceans/index.html

The plastic plague: Can our oceans be saved from environmental ruin?

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The Great Pacific Garbage Patch has become the stuff of legend. This hotspot of marine waste, created by the spiral currents of the North Pacific Gyre, has been described as a floating trash island the size of Russia.

But when filmmaker Jo Ruxton visited the location, she found clear blue water, and a deep-rooted problem.

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"If you were diving, it looked like you had just jumped out of a plane," says Ruxton. "But our nets were coming up completely choked with plastic pieces."

The pieces were small enough to mingle with plankton, the tiny organisms at the base of the food web that support many fish and whale species. Researchers have found 750,000 microplastic pieces (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100302-new-ocean-trash-garbage-patch/) per square kilometer in the Garbage Patch, and the marine life is riddled with them.

"This was much more insidious than a huge mountain of trash which could be physically removed," says Ruxton. "You can't remove all the tiny pieces."

Rising tide

Ruxton visited the site while producing the film "A Plastic Ocean," in association with NGO Plastic Oceans, which documents the impact of half a century of rampant plastic pollution.

Around eight million tons of plastic enter the marine environment each year, and the figure is set to rise. The Ellen Macarthur Foundation (https://www.ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/assets/downloads/EllenMacArthurFoundation_TheNewPlasticsEconomy_15-3-16.pdf) estimates that 311 million tons of plastic were produced in 2014, which will double within 20 years, and projects that there will be more plastic than fish in the oceans by 2050.

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Plastic is a remarkably durable material, with a potential lifespan of centuries. It does not biodegrade, but photodegrades under sunlight, breaking down into smaller and smaller pieces, which attract toxins (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es303700s) and heavy metals as they travel on the tides. Plastic is pulled together in the powerful, circling currents of gyres, but it is also found in Arctic ice, washing up on remote islands, and infesting tourist destinations.

Ruxton's crew visited dozens of locations without escaping the plastic plague. They found it covering the Mediterranean Sea bed, the shorelines of Bermuda, and Lord Howe Island in the Tasman Sea, a World Heritage site that has been severely affected.

"We kept coming across dead chicks," Ruxton recalls of Howe Island. "We opened 10 of their stomachs which were so full of plastic they were swollen ... These birds were dying of starvation with their stomachs bulging full."

But the most disturbing find was on the South Pacific island of Tuvalu.

Health impact

Tuvalu was once a pristine beauty spot. But the island lacks the infrastructure to dispose of the plastic it imports, which has become a serious hazard for the local population.

"People were just throwing plastic outside," says Ruxton. "They were drowning in the stuff, and trying to burn it. There was a constant pall of black smoke, and people were always exposed to the gases that come out when you burn plastic, including two very scary ones that have been linked to cancer, dioxins and furans."

From a group of 30 islanders featured in the film, five had cancer and two have died in the last 18 months, Ruxton says. She is raising funds to research the health impact of burning plastic.

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The team is also studying the effects of ingesting seaborne plastic through a partnership with toxicology specialists at London's Brunel University. Studies have shown a quarter of food fish (https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/plastic-dinner-quarter-fish-sold-markets-contain-human-made-debris) sold at markets in California and Indonesia contain plastic, and although this has not yet resulted in public health warnings, tests have shown ingestion can cause tumors (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3836290/) in lab animals.

Californian oceanographer Captain Charles J. Moore, who first discovered the Great Pacific Garbage Patch and studies the impact of seaborne plastic, feels the "jury is still out" on the effects of ingestion on human health. But he believes our exposure is rapidly increasing, particularly through the spread of microplastics.

"Plastic is in the air we breathe, it's become part of the soil and the animal kingdom," says Moore. "We're becoming plastic people."

Counting the cost

Moore believes we do not fully comprehend the damage caused by plastic pollution, largely as the gyres where it collects have been ignored.

"The gyres are 40% of the world ocean -- one third of the planet," says Moore. "But these areas are not part of any exclusive economic zone, they are not used for the shipment of goods, they are not harvested for marine resources, and their welfare is no one's concern ... I'm convinced we haven't scraped the surface of the damage being done."

From his own research, the volume of plastic has tripled in the gyres since the turn of the century, and plastic is disproportionately consumed by fish at the bottom of food chains, leading to rapid and deadly proliferation.

"It is impossible to quantify death in the ocean as weak and dying creatures are so rapidly consumed," says Moore. He believes U.N. estimates (http://www.unesco.org/new/en/natural-sciences/ioc-oceans/priority-areas/rio-20-ocean/blueprint-for-the-future-we-want/marine-pollution/facts-and-figures-on-marine-pollution/) that plastic kills around one million sea creatures a year far understate the impact.

The U.N.'s Joint Group of Experts on the Scientific Aspects of Marine Protection (http://www.gesamp.org) (GESAMP) has conducted several recent studies of plastic pollution and found far-reaching effects.

"If we don't do anything, we will see certain species disappear," says GESAMP Chairman Peter Kershaw, citing the toll of entanglement and ingestion on endangered seals and whales. "In wider ecosystems, (plastic) certainly has an impact on sensitive habitats, including coral reefs."

Kershaw also highlights the economic impact. Plastic causes $13 billion (http://www.unep.org/newscentre/default.aspx?DocumentID=2791&ArticleID=10903) of damage to the marine environment each year according the UN, which affects the fishing, shipping and tourism industries.

Getting a grip

The issue of plastic pollution has gained traction over the past decade, which has seen research increase, and the launch of major initiatives such as the Global Partnership on Marine Litter (http://www.unep.org/gpa/documents/gpml/GPMLFactsheet.pdf), bringing together policymakers, conservationists and business interests to pursue solutions.

Kershaw believes the key is to end the culture of disposable plastic, and implement closed loop systems for the material to be reused, which would reduce the demand for new production. Around 80% (http://ecowatch.com/2016/06/15/ocean-plastic-land-based-sources/) of plastic waste in the oceans originates on land, and recycling rates are poor, with just 9% (https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-09/documents/2013_advncng_smm_fs.pdf) of plastic in the U.S. recycled, according to the EPA.

"We're suffering from a linear approach," he says. "We need to design waste out of the system."

Kershaw adds that incentive schemes have proved effective. Charging consumers for plastic bags has reduced their use, and introducing refundable deposits for plastic bottles has created a market for collectors in Ecuador. Kershaw sees a role for entrepreneurs to redesign popular goods, such as an initiative to make tiles from discarded fishing nets in the Philippines.

Emerging technologies are contributing to the struggle. Captain Moore uses separation machines to improve recycling and spare plastic pickers from dangerous work. Dutch entrepreneur Boyan Slat is testing a prototype of his Ocean Cleanup machine that he believes could clear 99% of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch within 30 years, although many conservationists are skeptical.

"We are more focused on stopping pollution getting into the oceans," says Nancy Wallace, director of the marine debris program at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which leads beach cleaning and public education campaigns. "Ocean cleanups are like mopping the floor with the faucet still running."

The plastics industry also has a critical role, and leaders recognize the imperative to reform.

"Our number one priority is tackling marine litter," says Karl H. Foerster, head of industry association Plastics Europe. "We fully support the circular economy concept."

Foerster cites 260 initiatives (https://www.marinelittersolutions.com/press/progress-report-2016-press-release/) the group has launched, from removing microplastics to improving wastewater treatment in developing countries, and developing biodegradable plastic.

Tipping point

Jo Ruxton wants to see greater responsibilities placed on plastic producers, such as in Germany where strict recycling quotas (https://www.reclay-group.com/de/en/company/legal-background/germany) forced companies to use less plastic. Similar quotas will soon be introduced across the European Union.

But the filmmaker is encouraged by the increased focus on the issue in recent years, and is confident that greater public awareness can have a significant impact.

"If people realize how easy it is to make changes, and if they understand the consequences of not doing so, they want to change," she says.

Ruxton stresses that time is short. If the culture does not change imminently, more communities will face a grim fate.

"We're at a tipping point," she says. "I see Tuvalu as a snapshot of the future for all of us if we don't get this addiction under control."


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shaberon
2nd July 2016, 18:07
Horrendous.

The only type of bio-engineering that I favor, is the production of enzymes that eat petroleum, and I think a newer kind can eat hard plastics as well. I don't know if enzyme tanks can scale to the level of trash flow. Plastic production will probably never slow down until there is a cheap alternative. I remember when glass bottles were widely used...and there was broken glass everywhere.