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[TigaHawk]

Looks like nerve gas. :(

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/chemical-attack-in-syria-kills-1300-the-opposition-says-of-the-damascus-regime/story-fndir2ev-1226701659386

The allegations of gassing civilians dwarfed all previous such accounts in the increasingly bloody civil war.

The Syrian Network for Human Rights reported that 647 Syrians were killed in the attacks, and it attributed nearly 590 of those deaths to chemical weapons.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, considered the most authoritative group tracking casualties in the conflict, estimated at least 136 dead from an air assault but didn't address whether chemical weapons appeared to be involved.

Videos distributed by activists, the authenticity of which could not immediately be verified, showed medics attending to suffocating children and hospitals being overwhelmed.


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When will we all stand up together and put an end to this madness?

[Tesseract]

This is a terrible tragedy, whatever cause of death was. There is some informed opinion that the available footage does not suggest nerve gas - but only an investigation on the ground can establish the truth.

[Snoweagle]

Horrific.
Am strongly of the opinion the perpetrators of this heinous crime are Zionists. The Jewish Masonic Banker Elite cartel tugging the strings of Secret Government in the EU, Switzerland, Israel and the USA.

The same Elite that blanket control the media. Television viewers will lap it up - dumb as . . .

The globalist corruption is so obvious now that the impending financial crash should see some interesting adornments hanging from lamp posts soon. We will witness the "stars fall" of change around us.

This had nothing to do with President Sadat or his regime. There have been too many Israeli attacks via drone and cruise missiles into Syria to apportion blame on Syria. The Elite cartel and their agencies are secretly "sub contracting" security mercenary Corporations for just these genocidal roles. The Elite cartel are the Swiss Banking elite. The Elite cartel are the military industrial complex. The Elite cartel were the commissioners of the Georgia Guidestones. The Elite cartel owns the governing rights to the EU, Israel, USA, and pretty much the rest of the world too.

[DouglasDanger]

It has been predicted that a false flag would start WWIII, could it be this one, is this the one?... It just smells, Why would bashad chem attack now knowing full well the world is watching and has been, I do not think of him as a genius, but I do not see him as much as a Burbee as Bush Jr. The MSN thinks everybody is as dull as GWB I guess ....

[bogeyman]

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This article was pulled from the daily mail website, it no longer exists...I wonder why?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?sel=site&searchPhrase=US+Backed+Plan+for+Chemical+Weapon+Attack+in+Syria+to+Be+Blamed+on+Assad

Link above shows the article is missing.

[ghostrider]

soooo glad you posted this, last time I checked Syria was not one of the states of America ... I pray we stay out of any business with the middle east, and take care of home ... I heard all the talking heads and their talking points on this today, beating the war drum it made me ill ... they don't have to carry a weapon and shoot people they never met , be away from home for at least two years, sleep in the sand and eat dried meals , roast in the desert sun with sand in every thing that has a crack in it , not to mention get shot at, bombed ...

[bogeyman]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/01/leaked-emails-prove-obama-backed-plan-to-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-on-syria-and-blame-it-on-assa.html

leaked emails here

[ghostrider]

is syria one of the states of america ??? I can't take another war, not one more , it solves nothing ... the middle east has been fighting for 2,000 years over who's sand it is , there would be peace on earth if everyone didn't want a piece of the earth ...

[ghostrider]

careful or syria might get some freedom and democracy, in the form of shock n awe ... this stuff plays out like a blockbuster movie , I can hear it , coming to a country near you this fall, the shock n awe part 2 , a carefully planned exercise to false flag you into a haze of untruths and misdirection all to get a woman president in the end ,,, hillary , because a war in syria may be the turn around that takes the public's love affair with pres obama down and they will cling to the hillary , the new hope and change you can't believe in ... syria has WMD's really they do cause we put them there ...at this point what does it matter ???

[bogeyman]

It is always concerning when images and footage are shown to the world. It is always in someone's interest to provoke reaction to such matters. The first causality in war is the truth. With the break up of Yugoslavia and the war that raged afterwards many images were shown, and proven afterwards that some were faked to give sympathy to one particular faction.

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is syria one of the states of america ??? I can't take another war, not one more , it solves nothing ... the middle east has been fighting for 2,000 years over who's sand it is , there would be peace on earth if everyone didn't want a piece of the earth ...

War is good for business. Or as Eisenhower put it the "military industrial complex."

[Sidney]

Here a news article from January saying Obama backed it. I think its the same article.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-syria-045648224.html

US 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt':


London, Jan 30 (ANI): The Obama administration gave green signal to a chemical weapons attack plan in Syria that could be blamed on President Bashar al Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country, leaked documents have shown.
A new report, that contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence, showed a scheme 'approved by Washington'.
As per the scheme 'Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons,' the Daily Mail reports.
Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S. would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people.
According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.
The emails were released by a Malaysian hacker who also obtained senior executives resumes and copies of passports via an unprotected company server, according to Cyber War News.
According to the paper, the U.S. State Department has declined to comment on the matter. (ANI)

[BumblebeeShaman]

This smells really bad to me. Why would Assad use chemical weapons at the same time as the arrival of UN inspectors looking for proof of the use of those weapons? It just seems almost to convenient, it wouldn't surprise me if the opposition has something to do with it to generate support for their side of the conflict and/or to draw the US, UK, and the rest further into this conflict.

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[bogeyman]

Mainstream news media is spinning an agenda here. The media is very limited and manipulative, it is interesting that this story isn't mentioned on the BBC and I doubt whether a question will be raised in the House of Commons. The mainstream media here are (some of them) in bed with those in power, not just the politicians but those that control the system. The US wants Syrian Regime gone, or the western powers...or some darker force.

[WEAREONE]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57599944/u.s-preps-for-possible-cruise-missile-attack-on-syrian-govt-forces/

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - CBS News has learned that the Pentagon is making the initial preparations for a cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces. We say "initial preparations" because such an attack won't happen until the president gives the green light. And it was clear during an interview on CNN Friday that he is not there yet.

"If the U.S. goes in and attacks another country, without a U.N. mandate and without clear evidence that can be presented," the president told CNN, "then there are questions in terms of whether international law supports it -- 'do we have the coalition to make it work?' Those are considerations that we have to take into account."

An attack on suburbs in Damascus suburbs has left hundreds dead. Poison gas used is suspected. / CBS News
The attack on the Damascus suburbs, which left hundreds dead this week, is looking more and more like a poison gas was used. The United States warned Syria months ago that using chemical weapons could provoke a U.S. response.

U.S. detected activity at Syria chemical weapons sites before attack
Hundreds dead in Syria after alleged chemical weapons attack
Syria opposition group claims 1,300 killed in chemical attack in Damascus suburbs

President Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, sent out a Tweet on Friday, calling what happened "an apparent CW (chemical weapons) attack." And the commander of U.S. forces in the Mediterranean has ordered Navy warships to move closer to Syria to be ready for a possible cruise missile strike.

U.S. warships are moving closer to Syria for a possible cruise missile attack; but such an action has yet to be approved by President Obama / CBS
Launching cruise missiles from the sea would not risk any American lives. It would be a punitive strike designed not to topple Syrian dictator Bashir Assad but to convince him he cannot get away with using chemical weapons.

Watch a report on Syrian activists gathering evidence to prove chemical attack:


Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey is expected to present options for a strike at a White House meeting on Saturday.

Potential targets include command bunkers and launchers used to fire chemical weapons.

However, officials stress President Obama, who until now has steadfastly resisted calls for military intervention, has not made a decision.

U.S. intelligence detected activity at known Syrian chemical weapons sites in the days before the attack. At the time that did not appear out of the ordinary. But now it is part of the circumstantial evidence pointing toward an attack.

The clearest evidence would come from a team of U.N. experts already in Damascus to investigate earlier, smaller scale incidents involving suspected chemical weapons. So far they have not been allowed into the field. But with pictures providing graphic evidence of mass casualties, even Russia -- long one of the Assad regime's staunchest backers -- is calling for a U.N. investigation.

Whatever an investigation finds, the president will also have to consider what he would do next if he ordered a strike and Syria continued to use chemical weapons.

Watch CBS News correspondent Holly Williams' report on the Syrian victims in the aftermath of the Damascus suburbs attack:


Meanwhile in Syria, two days after the alleged poison gas attack, more disturbing video has emerged of the aftermath. From it comes horrific scenes that show the dead and the dying -- many of them children.

One young boy described struggling to breathe and then losing consciousness. When he woke up in the hospital, he said, he could no longer see.

It's impossible to verify how many people died. But in a crowded, makeshift morgue, so many of the bodies were unidentified -- they were numbered.

Dr. Ghazwan Bwidany is caring for survivors of the attack at a clinic in Damascus. On Friday, CBS News spoke with him over the Internet. He said his mobile medical unit treated 900 people -- 70 of whom died.

"When you see these children," said Bwidany, "dying in front of our eyes, this is a very terrible feeling. I can't describe it."

Watch this video below of a Syrian mother saying goodbye to her children who were killed after reported gas attack:


Dr. Bwidany said some of the survivors have neurological problems, such as memory loss and confusion, that he believes could only be caused by a nerve agent.

So if this wasn't a chemical attack, what could it have been? "I don't know anything else that could make these symptoms, with this large number of injured," he said.

CBS News talked with a spokesman for the Syrian opposition Friday, who said he was angry and frustrated with the international community. He believes that if U.S. had delivered the arms it promised the opposition two months ago, the deadly attack may not have happened.



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Despite President Obama cautioning against intervention in Syria, the Pentagon is making “initial preparations” for a cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces, according to a new report.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey is expected to present options for such a strike at a White House meeting on Saturday, CBS News reported on Friday.

President Barack Obama is under renewed pressure to take action following the emergence of footage of what appears to be the aftermath of a toxic agent attack in a Damascus suburb on Wednesday. The forces of President Bashar Assad were assaulting a rebel stronghold in the district at the time, but deny responsibility. Moscow, which has maintained close ties with the regime, called the incident a rebel “provocation” possibly designed to derail upcoming Geneva peace talks.

Questioned on the continuing upheaval in Syria and Egypt during a CNN interview Friday, President Obama said the United States should be wary “being drawn into very expensive, difficult, costly interventions that actually breed more resentment in the region.”

Obama went on to express reservations for involvement in the 30-month Syrian conflict based on lack of international consensus.

"If the US goes in and attacks another country without a UN mandate and without clear evidence that can be presented, then there are questions in terms of whether international law supports it, [and] do we have the coalition to make it work?” said Obama.

















U.S. Navy expanding presence in Mediterranean due to Syria: official


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(Reuters) - The U.S. Navy will expand its presence in the Mediterranean with a fourth cruise-missile armed warship because of the escalating civil war in Syria, a defense official said on Friday.

The USS Mahan had finished its deployment and was due to head back to its home base in Norfolk, Virginia, but the commander of the U.S. Sixth Fleet has decided to keep the ship in the region, the defense official said.

The official, who was not authorized to speak publicly, stressed that the Navy had received no orders to prepare for any military operations regarding Syria.

U.S. officials are considering a range of options for responding to reports that Syria has used chemical weapons against civilians, including possible cruise missile attacks from the sea, a senior defense official told Reuters earlier.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/24/us-usa-syria-destroyer-idUSBRE97N00420130824?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

[soleil]

bump :wave:

[naste.de.lumina]

We are induced to every minute of the day to believe that wars and conflicts exist because humans have this nature.
That's a lie.
Kabbalah induces us to think this way, because then we can not envision a world different from that imposed by themselves.
Humans are much better and skillful when acting under the power of love.
The heroics and loving acts not are news.
The battle for our souls will intensify, and we are our own army.
Well, if I'm here is because my spirit has no doubt that I can overcome this challenge.
We will be well prepared.
After all we are part of everything that exists.

Quiet but attentive.
Hugs.

[Prodigal Son]

We are induced to every minute of the day to believe that wars and conflicts exist because humans have this nature.
That's a lie.
Kabbalah induces us to think this way, because then we can not envision a world different from that imposed by themselves.



How does Kabbalah induce us to think this way? Where does Kabbalah say that humans have a warlike nature?

Is it the Khazarian version? :rofl:

Thanks :)

Getting back to topic--

Isn't Syria one of the last few remaining nations without a central bank?

Weren't we just doing this sh!t in Libya not too long ago? And why is Obama reluctant to pull the trigger this time? Could it be his a$$ is on the line?

[WEAREONE]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/24/kevin-rudd-halts-campaign-syria-crisis?CMP=twt_fd

Kevin Rudd halts election campaigning for briefing on Syria crisis
Prime minister returns to Canberra as overnight comments from Barack Obama on chemical weapons claims raise stakes
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Kevin Rudd: halt to campaign. Photograph: Mike Bowers
The civil war in Syria has caused a momentary halt to Australia's federal election campaign, with Prime Minister Kevin Rudd returning to Canberra for a briefing on the unfolding crisis.

Rudd flew back to the nation's capital on Saturday to speak with national security officials, and to work with officials on Australia's response to claims Syrian forces had used chemical weapons on civilians.

The opposition leader, Tony Abbott, said it was is entirely appropriate that Rudd returned from Sydney, where he had been campaigning.

In line with caretaker government conventions, Abbott will be given equal national security briefings.

Rudd told reporters he was calling a brief halt to his campaign to consider the matter in all its detail.

"And I'm not about to make any rushed or rash judgements about what the country should do next," Rudd said.

"We take our alliance obligations seriously, we take our caretaker convention's obligations seriously.

"But my first responsibility as the prime minister of the country is to make sure these matters are being attended to thoroughly and carefully."

US President Barack Obama has said allegations of chemical weapons use were a "grave concern".

Rudd said he had noted carefully what Obama said "as this recent event is one which he and the government of the United States is viewing with great concern".

"The Australian government views this development with equal concern," he said.

Rudd spoke on the phone to UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon about actions in the UN security council.

He has also discussed the issue with the US ambassador to Australia, Jeff Bleich.

Campaigning in Adelaide, Abbott said it was entirely appropriate for Rudd to be briefed.

"Obviously terrible things are happening in that country," he said.

"It's very important that United Nations inspectors be allowed in to get to the bottom of exactly what has happened.

"I hope the international community is able to do what it can to try to ensure that the bloodshed ceases and ordinary human rights are once more respected."

He dismissed suggestions that he too should be rushing back to Canberra for security briefings, rather than continuing his campaign.

"I'm looking forward to receiving briefings, but I think it's quite possible for briefings to be had while I'm on the road," he said.

"I don't for a second underplay the seriousness of this situation, and I entirely support the prime minister receiving briefings."

Abbott and his deputy, Julie Bishop, will be briefed on Sunday by the head of the department of foreign affairs and trade, Peter Varghese, in Brisbane.

[Flash]

French television (France) and Québec are both mentioning that there is nothing certain about the Assad government using those gaz.

Furthermore, there has been a mini serie titled: "Saddam's house". It was very interesting, giving for example the reasons that made Saddam attack Koweit in the nineties, when Bush 1st was president (they are dynasties, as in the Arab world, so I will call him Bush 1st).

Irak has just won the war against Iran (backed by USA) and was completely depleted of revenues and needed to make money with its petroleum fast. On the other side, Koweit was drilling for oïl and pumping it not from Koweit, but from Irak, the same way Fracking is done, by going parallel once on the ground up to the Iraki oïl reserves. So Irak was losing a bundle that was needed after the war with Iran.

The Koweiti drilling was done by American companies, with American funds, backed by Bush 1st politically.

Saddam did ask the Koweiti to stop quite often, but the Koweiti knowing they were backed by Bush 1st did not want to stop stealing the Iraki oïl.

It seems that Saddam saw no other choice than attack, even if his military chief was against it, not wanting to confront the American. Saddam thought the American would not get involved. He was not aware of how much Bush 1st wanted their oïl and other treasures.

Saddam was also described as a despot, its actions against its people being described as well, I think the serie was balanced.

Same goes for Syria. The truth is not what we hear and the plan are global hegemony, from Americans as well as Russians and Chinese.

[Crazy Louie]

Of all the possibilities of our future the most logical is indeed as described in the bible. Ouch - please don't judas me - I don't know anything for sure - but just common sense tells me a galactic ending or supernatural intervention does not have as much merit as we (the human race) doing ourselves in - because in all honesty the ego and it's ambition to be right is its God - those that have lost their souls have nothing left but their ego or whatever you want to call it. They are all in - and if it means destroying the world as we know it - no big deal. All they have is this and the self God of a lie. Like Hitler (his insane ego) said, when his generals asked him to surrender to save the civilians - "they deserve it, they didn't fight hard enough." at that point all life meant nothing to him.

[naste.de.lumina]

We are induced to every minute of the day to believe that wars and conflicts exist because humans have this nature.
That's a lie.
Kabbalah induces us to think this way, because then we can not envision a world different from that imposed by themselves.



How does Kabbalah induce us to think this way? Where does Kabbalah say that humans have a warlike nature?

Is it the Khazarian version? :rofl:

Thanks :)

Getting back to topic--

Isn't Syria one of the last few remaining nations without a central bank?

Weren't we just doing this sh!t in Libya not too long ago? And why is Obama reluctant to pull the trigger this time? Could it be his a$$ is on the line?

In putting into all kinds of possible divisions.
Not only incite violence entres the split as well as the start when they think necessary. Simple.

Getting back to topic-

Putin

[Cristian]

From http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-23/pentagon-preparing-cruise-missile-launch-against-syria

Sure enough, a month later the convenient catalyst emerged when this Wedensday, despite the entire world watching Assad (and as Iraq WMD inspector Rolf Ekeus stating the obvious in "It would be very peculiar if it was the government to do this at the exact moment the international inspectors come into the country"), we are meant to believe that the Syrian leader launched the biggest nerve gas attack in the history of the Qatari, Al-Qaeda and CIA-funded and organized Syrian rebellion. Two days later, without any actual investigation, the west determined somehow, on its own, that the attack was launched by Assad, not a false flag attack by the rebels even though it was their chemical weapons depot that had been previously uncovered. Visions of Colin Powell lying to the world (with his former aide admitting years later the WMD speech was the "lowest point in my life") should now be emerging right before your eyes.

Moments ago the inevitable denouement arrived when as CBS' David Martin reports, the US is preparing for a cruise missile launch against Syria, and is further ordering warships closer to Syria to be prepared and ready for when the trigger is pulled.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/08/Naval%20update.jpg

[ghostrider]

Syria is not the U.S. take care of home , leave the middle east alone , it wont ever be fixed ...

[Cidersomerset]

Syrian army finds chemical agents as US navy expands presence in region

rUW_oFufU-Y

Published on 24 Aug 2013


Syrian army soldiers have found chemical agents when they entered rebel tunnels in Damascus
suburb of Jobar, Syrian TV reports, adding that some of them started suffocating. The US Navy's
expanding its presence in the Mediterranean with a 4th cruise-missile armed warship. The move's
a response to the escalating conflict in Syria. For more on this RT is joined by Paula Slier.

[ROMANWKT]

Whats new, we all know that was the end game.

regards

roman

[ghostrider]

instead of reporting about WMD's , this time the black ops folks, have handy photos ready for the media, guess they learned something from Iraq ... next shock n awe, patriot go America chanting , then thousands of our soldiers die, strangers in Syria die, their cities and culture destroyed, another embassy is built, another chess piece on the table, nothing changes, and weapons companies, banks, oil companies, and politicians get richer ... while Syria gets invaded and the middle east hates us more ... the movie gets a costume change at the leadership level , a new puppet ...

[161803398]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/23/320111/chemical/

"Meanwhile, media reports had it that Qatar’s Al Jazeera TV and Reuters news agency published the news of massacre in East Ghouta, Damascus “one day” before the massacre happened.

According to the reports tens of videos were uploaded before foreign-backed terrorists announced and accused the Syrian government of conducting chemical attacks on its own people. Those evidences show the terrorists massacred people, including women and children, then recorded and uploaded the scenes to deceive the world’s public opinion, but they did so hurriedly and gave themselves up. "

[161803398]

Syria 360:

http://syria360.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/urgent-facts-about-the-chemical-weapons-attack-in-damascus/



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URGENT: FACTS ABOUT THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACK IN DAMASCUS

Posted on August 21, 2013 by Alexandra Valiente


I received this information from my friend, Marinella Correggia (SIBIALIRIA ) Please circulate it. It exposes the brutal false flag event perpetrated by the UN and NATO allied nations intended to ignite a full scale war.

Alexandra Valiente
Editor of Syria 360 °

Marinella Correggia’s Note:

This is an article from the “Syrian Truth” website, an opposition non-violent, non-Islamist site. They have first hand evidence. I added some additional observations in red.

This site had warned on the 14th of August that they had received intelligence stating that the “Turkmen” fighters of the armed opposition had obtained chemical weapons to create a world alarm in Lattakiah and Damascus.

English Translation by Mother Agnes Mariam de la Croix

TRANSLATION

The world woke up today, despite the presence of the International Commission of Inquiry on chemical weapons in Damascus two days ago, the news says that the regime committed a chemical massacre in a number of areas of Damascus, and specifically : Douma, Irbeen and Ain Tarma. The casualty figures counter begun to rise with the daylight hours from a few dozen to more than two hundred and then to more than 1300!! It was remarkable that a large proportion of the victims are children, which impulses to ask a bunch of composite questions: How could those children meet together to die together, although they were not together nor in school nor in a club nor anywhere requiring their presence with each other, especially that the areas referred to are areas of military operations, and witnessing since this morning fierce blasts from the Syrian army with various kinds of weapons on the militants agglomerations in these areas, while those children do not show any injury caused by conventional weapon despite the ferocity of the shelling on people’s homes, as the opposition Local Committees are claiming!? And how did those children died while their parents did not according to our knowledge and according to what the video tapes are showing? Is it possible that chemical weapons invade civilian homes and choose to kill children without their parents as if they were programmed to kill the children alone?

Clues and “circumstantial evidence” on a fake story:

First, it is not possible for the Syrian regime, especially with the presence of the international investigation committee in Damascus, to use chemical weapons in areas near the capital to where could arrive the Committee experts in less than ten minutes from the headquarters of their residency in the Four Seasons Hotel; considering also the fact that the use of chemical weapons could incur in severe injury to the civilian and military environment neighboring the alleged chemical attacks.

Second, the regime refrained always to use these weapons. It was possible for him to use them during the past two years specially when he was combating the gunmen but he avoided it. The most prominent example is what happened in the “Mountain of the Corner” (Djabal Azzawiyah) last year. Where nearly 3 thousands of militants were mobilized amid forests and woods and they could have been exterminated all in less than an hour, without causing any harm to civilians or even to chickens. But he did not do!

Third, upon our searching today the wind speed records in the Syrian meteorology, it turned out to be in the Damascus area ranged between 23 to 25 km / h. It is understood that this speed is never suitable for the use of a chemical weapon, technically, because its use in such weather would have caused the death of many people in the surrounding areas. Now we are sure that no one got hurt among those who live a few hundred meters far from the areas of the alleged chemical attack!

Mother Agnes-Mariam has contacted friends living in Kashkoul: one street away from Aïn Tarmah. Nobody had felt anything abnormal, nobody was disturbed by nausea, headache etc… No odors, no dismay…The mother of our Forman is living in Abassin Square, a few meters away from Jobar. Nobody felt or smelled anything there either.

Fourth it was noticeable that the paramedics and medical staff did not take any precautions, even though the chemical gases, especially “Sarin”, remain in the clothes of the victims for a few hours and can be fatal in a certain manner through at least the first hour.

Was the medical personnel as certain that the clothing of the victims were completely sanitized so its members acted with “goodwill” as if they were on a recreational trip and not in the ambulance of the victims of a lethal chemical attack!!?

When the rebels attacked Barzeh neighborhood with chemical bomb we knew one martyr called Mouhammad Assi who was immediately killed and transported to the hospital (first week of may 2013). The doctor who was curing him was poisoned with the remains of Sarin Gas in the clothes of this man and he had to be accepted in the intensive care for days….

Fifth It was quite remarkable that the world, from end to end, and with it hundreds of space stations and thousands of websites in various languages, collapsed within minutes to the media campaign with a systematic and organized accusation of the massacre without even inquiring the fact. Everybody called to refer the case to the Security Council immediately (as did the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia), even though the whole world remained silent for more than two weeks for the largest massacre and ethnical purge that has ever witnessed the Middle East since “Halabjah”, we mean the ten villages in the countryside of Latakia, which had hundreds of victims, with their heads and members chopped, buried today in mass graves in the City of Latakia.

Fifth on July 10 last year “the banner of Islam” battalion (Liwa Al Islam), which is the first accused of this massacre today, at least by us, released a tape covering the targeting of the Syrian army vehicle transporting 24 militaries. At the end of the tape, we hear a militants “brigade” speaking with his colleague saying on the radio that he wants him to bring “sarin” or “O free (O army free) bring the sarin gas!” (See the tape here and listened to it carefully)

This is yet another proof (other than the evidences collected for the Khan El Asal chemical attack) that is for those who argue that armed groups do not have chemical weapons.

Concerning unequivocal evidences:

First The “truth” site has a confirmed information that the militants in these areas have suffered today a real massacre, that killed hundreds of them by conventional weapons, by air and land. We can say that the casualties they have suffered today probably did never ocured at one time and in one battle before. (There are facts assuring the killing of more than 750 militants today alone in the countryside of Damascus, east and west were they were preparing to infiltrate Damascus in the process of “liberation” anew the capital in its fourth or fifth edition!).

Third on 14 of this month, the “Truth” site published a report based on Turkish sources and other Syrian opposition sources in Istanbul, revealed that the Turkmen brigades in the countryside of Latakia, and another ally in Damascus, especially “the banner of Islam” and “brigades descendants of the Prophet “, got the chemical weapons to be used in a” massacre under the demand “in the countryside of Latakia, with the aim of committing the massacre of sectarian cleansing, and in Damascus in order to generate international media campaign. The report emphasized that the massacre would be implemented according to the information available at the beginning of the third week of this month, and after the arrival of the team of the international commission of inquiry” to Damascus. This is exactly what happened.

Fourth, and most importantly, our site ‘the Truth” seized from the Local Coordination Committees three media spot covering the alleged chemical massacre . Some of those spots were published before they happened the 19th of August, at least before an hour of the events, while others before at least three hours of the timing and occurrence of the alleged massacre: ie three in the morning local time . Even if we take into consideration the time difference between Syria and Europe it remains constant that the tapes were carried on the 20 of the month.

How can videos display a massacre BEFORE it happened ? You can see the tape below, but now that some videos were deleted after discovering their error !

V. It is now clear that the children were killed before the massacre alleged chemical. Now the question: Where were those children killed and in what circumstances and by whom!!!? That is the big question to which they have to answer!

To make it short: it is a chemo drama but it is unfortunately very black. On the page of the Local Coordination Committee in Erbeen the “chemical attack” is dated 21st of August, but the information was published the 20th of August !!!"

[GlassSteagallfan]

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - CBS News has learned that the Pentagon is making the initial preparations for a cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces. We say "initial preparations" because such an attack won't happen until the president gives the green light. And it was clear during an interview on CNN Friday that he is not there yet.



Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey is expected to present options for a strike at a White House meeting on Saturday.


Here's an alternative media report: (R2P="Right to Protect")

Chemical Weapons Claims Put Syria On Hair Trigger; General Dempsey Key in Push-back Against R2P Gang

August 24, 2013 • 8:03AM

A senior U.S. intelligence source has provided an assessment of the ongoing controversy over allegations of use of chemical weapons in Syria. The source indicated that there are two key questions that must both be settled quickly. The first question is whether there actually was any use of chemical weapons, and he acknowledged that the evidence was questionable. He gave it a 50:50 chance that something actually happened near Damascus. The second question is: If there was some form of CW attack, who did it? The source noted that if it turns out, after the UN investigation, that there was an attack and it was carried out by Syrian rebels, that will be a decisive factor in favor of General Dempsey and others who adamantly oppose any U.S. involvement in the Syrian mess. General Dempsey's recent letter to Rep. Elliot Engel and other actions that he has taken in strong opposition to any U.S. military role, have had a significant impact and have, for now, pushed back against those promoting "humanitarian intervention" by the U.S.

According to the source, the R2P lobby is pushing hard for some limited U.S. military action if there is any "proof" that the Syrian Army did use CW. While they accept the fact that Dempsey and the other "realists" in the Pentagon and elsewhere have made it all but impossible to push for a no-fly zone and a sustained bombing campaign, the advocates of a limited U.S. military action argue that President Obama's credibility is on the line, since he did publicly declare the use of CW to be a "red line." General Dempsey has strongly responded: A single U.S. cruise missile fired into Syria would be an act of war, and there would be no pulling back from full conflict.

The source noted that there are other complicating factors at play. The Netanyahu government in Israel is now advocating full U.S. military intervention to overthrow Assad. Netanyahu believes it when EU and American officials continue to declare that "Assad must go," and he knows that the current situation is impossible from the standpoint of Israeli security. Not only does Netanyahu worry about Hezbollah. There are now Al Qaeda elements operating on the ground inside both Syria and Lebanon, and the recent rocket fire into northern Israel was carried out by Al Qaeda-linked jihadists.

The source further explained that both Susan Rice and Samantha Power have refrained, so far, from pushing for U.S. military action in Syria around the current chemical weapons controversy. Both Rice and Power are part of the Obama inner circle, which also includes Valerie Jarrett, Michelle Obama, and David Axelrod. All of those people are fixated on Nerobama's "legacy." General Dempsey has convincingly warned that if the U.S. is drawn into Syria, there will still be U.S. involvement when Obama's term expires. Obama will have the legacy of another extended and costly war in another Arab country. Dempsey and his allies point to both Iraq and Libya as cases where massive amounts of American blood and treasure were expended to overthrow regimes, only to produce a period of unending chaos and bloodshed.

For now, there is a consensus, the source concluded, that the UN inspectors must be given time to conduct an investigation before any decisions are made or action taken. (Against this background, Obama was extremely cautious about military intervention in Syria in a CNN interview by Chris Cuomo which was taped Thursday and aired Friday.)

source (http://larouchepac.com/node/27863)
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Maybe it is just CBS who is expecting Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey to present options for a strike at a White House meeting on Saturday.

[grannyfranny100]

Evidence Indicates that Syrian Government Did Not Launch a Chemical Weapon Attack Against Its People

By Washington's Blog
Global Research, August 24, 2013
Url of this article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-indicates-that-syrian-government-did-not-launch-a-chemical-weapon-attack-against-its-people/5346804

[Harley]

A fourth warship armed with ballistic missiles has been sent to the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

[Roisin]

The US has physically positioned itself on Syria's borders since about a year ago to be 'on call' should Obama give the green light to intervene directly in that crisis but he has yet to do that because to go to war against Syria, we would also be indirectly at war with Russia too because they are the one's who have been supplying Syria with their weapons.

[Harley]

Of course you are correct, Roisin. :)

However, the reason for my post is that it is info just received today.
And the significance of it is that they're sending in ballistic missiles.
Ballistic missiles would not be used on Syria at that range.

[Sidney]

Of course you are correct, Roisin. :)

However, the reason for my post is that it is info just received today.
And the significance of it is that they're sending in ballistic missiles.
Ballistic missiles would not be used on Syria at that range.

That is a very bad sign IMO.

[Carmody]

Of course you are correct, Roisin. :)

However, the reason for my post is that it is info just received today.
And the significance of it is that they're sending in ballistic missiles.
Ballistic missiles would not be used on Syria at that range.

Yes, Harley.

Folks, ballistic is an issue of 'long range' missiles. Long range and multi-warhead types. Generally, Only a few types of warheads are used on ballistic missile types. Another aspect is to shoot so high, that the missiles can hit a targeted country that is beyond the one in front of the given ship --without uhm, 'technically' violating airspace of the given country that is nearby.

Possibly medium to long range capacities with such a ship. Instead of a ship with a few ballistic missiles, we're probably talking about a dedicated ballistic ship.

[norman]

This is just my own joining of dots and may be nothing to do with the truth.


A few weeks ago, "the allies" snatched all of their diplomats back out of the middle east region on an excuse that there was a legit terror threat. This recall implied that the 'secret' spying program is valid and we must not get carried away with the idea that it should be reigned in or halted.

The recall of diplomats also had the effect of removing the eyes and ears within the lower levels of the system from that region so that there wouldn't be leaks or inconvenient obstruction of clandestine black-op maneuvers in the following few weeks. That's quite likely to be what happened in Benghazi and it was a mess, from the point of view of the top commanders of the clandestine jiggery pokery.

After a few weeks ( or was it just 2 weeks ? ), a sudden and massive 'evacuation' of Syrians poured out over the borders with no official explanation offered by the main stream press and TV. Nothing, nada, just a quick report here and there that huge numbers were crossing the borders. Whatever it was that people there on the ground could see happening was enough to frighten them crazy enough to get up and leave, very suddenly. We've not been told what that reason was. I can guess.

Probably as a separate thing, on the day international inspectors arrived in the capital of Syria to investigate a six month old story of a possible use of chemical weapons, a massive chemical weapons insident occurred right there within 2 miles of where the investigators had spent the first night.

How weird is that!?

For me, that is unbelievable unless there is a dirty trick being played out there by operators other than the Syrian government.

What possible gain could the Syrian government get from using a chemical weapon at that time in that place?

I don't know what has been going on in the middle east since the day they flew all those 'diplomats' out of there but it certainly looks like they've done a game changer maneuver under the media radar and even under the radar of their own diplomatic staff.


What can I say that is good about this. Well, there is the obvious assumption to be made that they cannot even trust their own staff any longer. That's a tiny little bit of a hope in the middle of what is looking like the endgame for Syria.


I don't know who did the neuro toxin attack in Damascus but I think the Syrian government is the least likely suspect. I mean, WHY? What benefit?

If I consider who benefits, it could have been dropped from a high altitude American plane for all I know.


Ok, that's my rambling over with. Feel free to offer a better jot joining than mine.

[ghostrider]

strange they pulled the diplomats , then a chemical attack happened, now the war drum beats ... smoke and mirrors, all information is sanitized before the media speaks, following the agenda and controlling the narrative everyday ... they probably are already planning the next war after invading Syria ... another chess piece to a larger picture ...

[161803398]

Made in SA

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=442091152572917

[Crazy Louie]

And I know it's a surprise but there are four american warships positioned near Syria - Syria's Information Minister is asking that america not become involved because in his words "A mass of Flames will ignite the Middle East." One does get a sense that Damascus the oldest major city in the world will indeed be reduced to rubble at some point in all this.

[spiritguide]

The entire mid east battle plan is on behalf of the hypocrisy of defense of Israel, which is the most offensive state in the world who wages war on any state in it's way. Not much guessing on this one for me. The dual citizens in our government promote this smoke screen at the cost of our liberties and those souls lost due to the conflict. Keep going, you will eventually see through it.

Peace!

[Shannow]

To quote a man who knew all about this sort of disinformation and going to war for reasons other than those that are portrayed in the media....


fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again

[Dorjezigzag]

I want a tell a story of what happened to me on the 14th of August, which I feel has resonance with events that appear to be unfolding. Its sounds like something from a David Lynch movie or a dream but it really did happen.

As I was walking very close to my apartment, with my son and girlfriend I noticed a very fancy looking BMW sports car, It looked more like a Ferrari/lamborghini than a BMW, must have been top of the range and what was very unique about the car was that it had a kind of rubbery- plasticy type finish that looked like snake or reptilian skin. This reptilian finish may sound kind of tacky and in a way it was but it looked like this finish cost a lot of money, I have never seen anything like it before or since, I am sure some people out there are aware of this type of automobile coating.

Anyway I then noticed something in the passenger seat and when I looked closer I noticed it was a very large expensive looking stuffed animal it was like a monkey /gorilla. It was not a piece of taxidermy it was manufactured but it had a realness about it. What was wierd though is that this stuffed animal had a genuine, top of the range gas mask on it. I called the others over and everyone thought it was really wierd.

Who has a huge stuffed toy Gorilla with a gasmask on it taking up there passenger seat?

But what took the biscuit for wierdness was when I noticed the numberplate of this car as I walked away from it, it clearly spelt Gasser

I am someone who from experience pays attention to synchronicities, so I was concerned when I saw the headlines the next day that there had been a chemical attack drill that had occured in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2394547/Police-Army-firefighters-scale-MOCK-UP-Al-Qaeda-chemical-attack-city.html

I am connecting all this with the latest esculations that seem to be occuring in Syrria, which certainly have a feeling of false flag. I was alarmed by two young men yesterday when I was at a cafe who were looking in the paper and very angrily saying how we need to go in and sort out Assad because of these chemical gas attacks. I think going into Syrria would have public support by people unaware of a likely false flag.

Usually I am the guy who is saying everything is going to be OK, such as during the Olympics but I am not so sure this time.

But I am going to do all I can to try and stop these esculations occuring, I hope we can all be strong during these trying times for ourselves as much as our friends and family.

[dianna]

This is just my own joining of dots and may be nothing to do with the truth.


A few weeks ago, "the allies" snatched all of their diplomats back out of the middle east region on an excuse that there was a legit terror threat. This recall implied that the 'secret' spying program is valid and we must not get carried away with the idea that it should be reigned in or halted.

The recall of diplomats also had the effect of removing the eyes and ears within the lower levels of the system from that region so that there wouldn't be leaks or inconvenient obstruction of clandestine black-op maneuvers in the following few weeks. That's quite likely to be what happened in Benghazi and it was a mess, from the point of view of the top commanders of the clandestine jiggery pokery.

After a few weeks ( or was it just 2 weeks ? ), a sudden and massive 'evacuation' of Syrians poured out over the borders with no official explanation offered by the main stream press and TV. Nothing, nada, just a quick report here and there that huge numbers were crossing the borders. Whatever it was that people there on the ground could see happening was enough to frighten them crazy enough to get up and leave, very suddenly. We've not been told what that reason was. I can guess.

Probably as a separate thing, on the day international inspectors arrived in the capital of Syria to investigate a six month old story of a possible use of chemical weapons, a massive chemical weapons insident occurred right there within 2 miles of where the investigators had spent the first night.

How weird is that!?

For me, that is unbelievable unless there is a dirty trick being played out there by operators other than the Syrian government.

What possible gain could the Syrian government get from using a chemical weapon at that time in that place?

I don't know what has been going on in the middle east since the day they flew all those 'diplomats' out of there but it certainly looks like they've done a game changer maneuver under the media radar and even under the radar of their own diplomatic staff.


What can I say that is good about this. Well, there is the obvious assumption to be made that they cannot even trust their own staff any longer. That's a tiny little bit of a hope in the middle of what is looking like the endgame for Syria.


I don't know who did the neuro toxin attack in Damascus but I think the Syrian government is the least likely suspect. I mean, WHY? What benefit?

If I consider who benefits, it could have been dropped from a high altitude American plane for all I know.


Ok, that's my rambling over with. Feel free to offer a better jot joining than mine.

Your dot joining got me thinking, thats for sure, so I would say you're doing a pretty good job.

[seko]

Syria is a free country, that is not in the hands of the banking cartel.
So the banking cartel wants to destroy Syria for not getting along with their plans.

Once they get them(hope not) they will go after the last standing piece on the chess game...Iran.

I'm sure they will take their oil, and they will go after their museums, just like they did in Iraq. I honestly don't know why they will have interest in their museums and what they contain.

Anyone knows???

[chocolate]

They contain truth and wisdom that is dangerous left out for us to see - who knows may be we will remember what they wanted always to remain hidden and forgotten.
But in all honesty I just think they need a war or wars for lots of reasons.

[161803398]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-16/mystery-sponsor-weapons-and-money-syrian-rebels-revealed



" The tiny gas-rich state of Qatar has spent as much as $3bn over the past two years supporting the rebellion in Syria, far exceeding any other government, but is now being nudged aside by Saudi Arabia as the prime source of arms to rebels.



The cost of Qatar’s intervention, its latest push to back an Arab revolt, amounts to a fraction of its international investment portfolio. But its financial support for the revolution that has turned into a vicious civil war dramatically overshadows western backing for the opposition.



In dozens of interviews with the FT conducted in recent weeks, rebel leaders both abroad and within Syria as well as regional and western officials detailed Qatar’s role in the Syrian conflict, a source of mounting controversy."

[Lifebringer]

strange they pulled the diplomats , another chess piece to a larger picture ...

Not to mention some journalist on the ground with the ability to say who was firing those weapons, were killed. If the good guys, removed who are legit government officials serving over there, and the ssg the weapons giving vile vipers of wardrums are left, then it stands to reason, that some of those no goodnics will be caught in the crosshairs with all our guys watching for the ssnakes to run for the hills and be apprehended for aiding and abetting wars against UN and US charter and dealing with terrorist./chemical weapons users.

I think another check mate, is about to take place.

[Lifebringer]

They contain truth and wisdom that is dangerous left out for us to see -
But in all honesty I just think they need a war or wars for lots of reasons.

Well with reforms on wall street and real estate being closely watched, bankers going to trial, they need another way of making money and since pot is about to be legal, there is only one more tentacle, besides the corpcongresscritters(soon to be thrown out. The weapons profiteering if another war breaks out. Since they are trying diligently to start it from over there on the ground in secret, they will be caught transferring or delivering those chem and other weapons to start war and place blame on both sides through the media, with a big question?mark on who done it.

White hats & President will demand all the answers, before/as he brings them in for judgement/Hague, before the world.

I feel it in my heart and soul, that the check mate is about to lower the boom on the buzzards.

[nonesuch]

....
I'm sure they will take their oil, and they will go after their museums, just like they did in Iraq. I honestly don't know why they will have interest in their museums and what they contain.

Anyone knows???

At the beginning of the US invasion of Iraq, when the looting was going in the museum, my intuition told me we were in there first seeking a particular occult object or objects that were stored in plain sight, but not ordinarily accessible without violence to the museum. Objects like that would convey power to the holders. Big powers that the US wanted. More than they wanted oil. That's why once we got in and out very quickly, we didn't care that the Iraqis themselves were looting. U.S. guards stood by and let them have free run of the museum because we had what we wanted and could care less about anything remaining. That's just a guess, but I had such a strong feeling about it while it was being reported. I've never heard or read of anyone saying anything like that, so I'm interested if anyone here had any similar senses of what happened or other insights or ideas about it.

[spiritguide]

....
I'm sure they will take their oil, and they will go after their museums, just like they did in Iraq. I honestly don't know why they will have interest in their museums and what they contain.

Anyone knows???

At the beginning of the US invasion of Iraq, when the looting was going in the museum, my intuition told me we were in there first seeking a particular occult object or objects that were stored in plain sight, but not ordinarily accessible without violence to the museum. Objects like that would convey power to the holders. Big powers that the US wanted. More than they wanted oil. That's why once we got in and out very quickly, we didn't care that the Iraqis themselves were looting. U.S. guards stood by and let them have free run of the museum because we had what we wanted and could care less about anything remaining. That's just a guess, but I had such a strong feeling about it while it was being reported. I've never heard or read of anyone saying anything like that, so I'm interested if anyone here had any similar senses of what happened or other insights or ideas about it.

Is there a list of the antiquities missing from the different museums of the countries invaded? This may give us a clue and item/s to research.

Peace!

[161803398]

Lots of information here:

http://brown-moses.blogspot.fi/2013/05/comments-on-use-of-chemical-weapons-in.html

[norman]

It's just crossed my mind that this is a good time to open the bubbly and toast the "Whistleblowers".

Credit should really be given to Project Camelot ( the early version ) for opening up the idea of whistleblowing as a serious contribution to world affairs.

It looks to my eyes that this ongoing operation in and around Syria has been customised to reduce whistleblower risk.

Before they dared to make a big move they had to remove all their 'people' from the area because they are becoming paranoid about whistlblowers.


Paranoid about whistleblowers ! ! ... yeah, that's getting to be good news, folks.

Even though they are pulling up the draw bridge and morphing their operations towards fully 'elite' ( read - paid mercenaries from the stock of ex brainwashed special forces ) they may get away with it for a while but the 'rot' is setting in to their system.

It's a fine line between having a special bunch of people who will do your bidding and keep their mouths shut, and having a special group of people who will run like hell with you when the game is up.

It's not up yet, but the signs are clearly there, and that's a good reason to open the bubbly.

[Crazy Louie]

is there really a free country anywhere in the world - is anybody not a slave to the mega systems beyond their control? lately no one has even said "let them eat cake."

[Crazy Louie]

Me thinks to myself - in the holy echoes of the canyon of my mind - that Israel will be put in a position where they have to take out their neighbors all at once. With their small tactical missle surplus they can do it - all the lands around them. regardless of what your political ideation is about Israel - or what the real world truth is about the country the fact is still there - God and his nation have not finished their biz - and I don't think god cares about how ugly it gets - he has made provisions for the rest of us to accept or not accept. The reality is Israel could take down their closest neighbors with superior weapons in about eight hours - at this point in time I do not think things are consolidated fully between Russia and Iran -- and China is the crazy eight. A fortune cookie told me that China would like to see everyone destroy each other so they can clean up -- no matter what is said prior to - right now despite our media leading us to believe russia is primed - they are not - they are still building - right now its all posturing. So really when Israel takes out its five neighbors no one is going to come gunning for them ---eh --- at this point in time. They will have their time of peace -- meanwhile russia and iran continue to build up - and the day will come when they surprise attack. -- Two thirds of the population gone - a number left eventually by the end that a child can write the number. - sounds bleak eh? Well the good news is - the eagle will have fallen by that time - and we will not be an end game player. love you all - thanks. I guess we should all have a tag line of "opinions vary"

[Dorjezigzag]

Just seen this on the BBC (see quote below), William Hague reckons that we have being using diplomacy; since when has funding a rebel force within another sovereign nation been diplomatic?


Diplomatic pressure on Syria has failed and the UK is considering its response to a suspected chemical attack, Foreign Secretary William Hague says.

He told the BBC it would be possible for the UK and its allies to respond to the incident without the unanimous backing of the United Nations.

He said the UN Security Council, which is split over Syria, had not "shouldered its responsibilities".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23840065

[Conchis]

Interesting. I had never thought that an incident like this might be the death knell of the U.N.

[Maia Gabrial]

So, I'm wondering if this is how they'll finally incite Americans into World War 3? Get us so emotionally riled up, just like the other wars..? Will our boys fall for it again? They know we're so sick and tired of all the G-D fighting and are refusing to get involved. The globalists are so damn greedy that they'll do anything to get WW3 started just so their bank accounts can start filing up again. Give me the g-damned proof! And NOT the word of a politician, or Shame Stream Medias or by a treasonous leader. I want the WORLD to show us the proof. They're the ones who've been maligned by the United Snakes govt and the rich bastards controlling it.

This infuriating article makes it sound like Obama really gives a care. (No, he don't want war). I don't believe it for a second judging from his actions of the past. This Nobel PEACE winner hasn't proven he's for peace at all. :tsk::tsk::tsk:

It goes to show you how shameless all of them have gotten....

I just hope ALL people will hold onto their patience and remain calm. And use their common sense before falling for all of these manipulations AGAIN....

[161803398]

I think we have to start questioning whether Al Qaida are actually Islamic. I believe they are not.

[TargeT]

So who does this surprise?

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I have yet to check the sources; I will attempt to do so tomorrow; but I wonder, if they are what they seem to be, will it matter?

I think plans in this vein would only change *(read be delayed)* if large scale public exposure/outcry were the case.

[ks4ever]

For the latest information on what is happening in Syria go to http://freedomfalconofsyria.blogspot.ca/2012/12/current-info-syria-news-post.html
This is one of the best sites for reliable up to date information.
Update:
The latest information today 28th is that the Syrian regime is imploding. Several reports that the Presidential jet has arrived at the Imam Khomeini International Airport in Tehran carring Assad, some high ranking dignatories and members of his family.
Assad troops starting to run all over Syria - From Tartous to the Iraq border and from Daraa to the border with Turkey.
Soldiers are refusing to follow orders and defecting (Its a mess in Mezzeh)
Hezbollah and Iranian Basji Soldiers are fleeing back to Lebanon - in Homs they are beating a fast and sloppy retreat leaving guns ammo and dead and wounded behind.
Read more above and also at this site http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/

[T Smith]

they probably are already planning the next war after invading Syria ... another chess piece to a larger picture ...

The wars have been planned for a long time now. If you might recall, Wesley Clark revealed a broad outline of the NWO plan to attack seven mideast countries a long time ago (in this regard Clark is an important whistleblower, as his information has been prophetic)... It may have taken longer than 5 years, and the script/order may have changed a little bit, but Syria was always a target. Iran is the crown jewel. Right around the two minute mark Clark lays out what he was told in 2001...

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[NancyV]

Great info, if true! I find it wonderfully ironic that Kerry and Obama, the supposed anti war pacifists, are now the war mongers.

Here is some more info, videos and some photos showing alleged evidence of the rebels being involved in these sarin gas attacks:

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/

[Flash]

And right now, as of tonight, on Canadian television, everywhere, the speakers say the the BAD Syrian Government has dared to use chemical bombs, and there is interviews of the head of the guerilleros (this is what they are right) asking for Canada involvement.

The whole speech is dictated by the USA, from the speakers to the head of the opposition to Assad. Yesterday the television was having doubt about whom threw the chemical weapons.

US want to get in there, no doubts.

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[Eram]

The Syrian Government has nothing to win and everything to loose by using chemical weapons.
Assad must be well aware of this of course and must have instructed his total line of command to stay way from chemical weapons like the plague with threats of torturing and killing the entire family of the commanders who will use chemical weapons. (or something to that extend)

You can say a lot about the Syrian government (with good cause), but Assad hasn't gone brain dead all of a sudden, doing the one thing that means certain suicide for his group.

So obvious, yet so unlikely that the masses are going to raise their voice and stop this crime from happening.


"the bigger the lie, the more it will be believed" Joseph Goebbels

[Harley]

US has canceled a Syrian Peace Conference meeting with Russia.

[Shannow]

I think we have to start questioning whether Al Qaida are actually Islamic. I believe they are not.

There's an alternate spelling that gives a better picture of who they are....

Al CIA duh

[Maunagarjana]

A couple videos for your viewing displeasure:

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[TargeT]

"the bigger the lie, the more it will be believed" Joseph Goebbels

This lie seems so worn out though, are we really to believe that every single middle eastern leader is a monster that will chemically attack / perform genocide / attack other countries like a rabid dog / *other boogy man activity* (with out our provication / assistance of course).... I would hope that at some point the US population (at the least, not to mention the other players/allies countries out there) would wake up to this often used lie and start to question it.

I think social media has created a surge of information that is starting to help with this, I just hope it continues to grow and swell; most people I know now get their news primarily from social media or the internet.

[SilentFeathers]

Here's the description under the video in the OP of this thread....It wouldn't surprise me if these chemical weapons can be traced back to Libya.....Benghazi to be more specific.



On August 21st, 2013 chemical weapons were used the Syrian conflict yet again. Western powers, the U.S. and France in particular enthusiastically didn't hesitate for even a moment to take advantage of the tragedy, decrying it as a crime against humanity and using it as a springboard to announce their preparations for military strikes against the Syrian government.

Make no mistake this was a crime against humanity... but the gas was NOT used by the Syrian government, it was used by the NATO backed rebels. In this video we're going to show you definitive evidence to support this claim and we're going explain the U.S. and NATO's motive for committing such an atrocity. The leaked documents that we are going to be presenting are available for you to download yourself. You'll find a in a link in the description to that download and you'll also find links to the mainstream articles we used in our research.
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Leaked Britam Defence Syrian documents for download: http://stormcloudsgathering.com/leake...

Chemical weapons confirmed in Syrian conflict: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/20...

U.S. helped Saddam as he was using chemical weapons on Iran: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles...


CIA and Mossad both say the Iran hasn't even made the decision to seek a nuclear weapon: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy...

Iran and Syria confront US with defense pact:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005...

Iran already sending troops to Syria: http://rt.com/news/iran-troop-deploym...

The proxy war in Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas...

The U.S. funneling weapons to rebels through Qatar: http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012...

Russia opposes arming militants in Syria:
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05...

Russia warns Syria/Iran Crisis may go nuclear: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/0...


UK Quatar plot to frame Syria for Chemical weapons:
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01...


The March 19th, 2013 Sarin Attack:
Israel and the U.S. blame Assad:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines...

Obama's red line: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...

U.N. launches their own probe: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/0...

According to the U.N. investigation the March 19th chemical weapons attack turned out to be committed by the rebels: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middl...

Russia agrees: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/0...

The August 21st, 2013 Chemical Attack:
Syrian soldiers enter rebel tunnels, find chemical agents
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/0...

Video from attack apparently shows the rockets were small and primitive:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/0...

Iran says they have proof rebels used chemical weapons:
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-proof...

Turkey finds sarin gas in homes of suspected Syrian Islamists
http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-a...

FSA says they are going to use chemical weapons from now on: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/New...

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This is serious stuff folk's and can be the catalyst for an all out major Middle East war.

Iran and Syria are both saying they'll attack Isreal if the West attacks Syria......and the West IS saying they are going to attack within days.

Syria, Iran issue first explicit warning to Israel if US attacks (http://www.timesofisrael.com/syria-iran-issue-explicit-warning-to-israel-if-us-attacks/)

Syria strike due in days, West tells opposition (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/27/us-syria-crisis-strike-timing-idUSBRE97Q0GY20130827)

Russia and China are warning the West about this attack too....

Syria crisis: Russia and China step up warning over strike (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23845800)

It looks to me that things are already spiraling out of control and the missiles haven't even been launched yet....Quite insane IMO.

[jiminii]

And right now, as of tonight, on Canadian television, everywhere, the speakers say the the BAD Syrian Government has dared to use chemical bombs, and there is interviews of the head of the guerilleros (this is what they are right) asking for Canada involvement.

The whole speech is dictated by the USA, from the speakers to the head of the opposition to Assad. Yesterday the television was having doubt about whom threw the chemical weapons.

US want to get in there, no doubts.

that all sounds false flag to me

jim

[Carmody]

US has canceled a Syrian Peace Conference meeting with Russia.

It's always war in the northern Fall time (August-September-October). That is when it always begins in earnest.

In my estimate, this statement of mine is a general one, but when it happens, it happens in those time periods, in the vast majority of the cases.

It's difficult to protest a war when you have to go outside and freeze in the cold. The psychological balance to make an attempt to end such things is simply not there, due to fundamental climate conditions in the vast majority of the European and North American population. summer holidays are over, the children go back to school, manufacturer's launch their new models of in home comfort devices, summer blockbuster films are readied for their DVD and Blu-ray release dates (in home viewing in the warm cave), furniture and entertainment hardware companies and retailers await the return of their business funds by customers appearing in their stores (they literally starve to death in the summer-no business), and the real romance season begins (it's not the spring -it's the fall season for the bulk of the beginnings of romance)

The western mindset and psychology turn inward as the leaves begin to fall off the trees, so that is a fundamental in part of the game that is played by the PTB.

In the Fall time/season, the mindset of the entire western world...shifts.

The cycling of the Climate and Astrology, used as a pair, against the will of the public.

You are being gamed in multiple ways, and the aspects above, are definitely among the components of that manipulation.

If war breaks out in the middle east it almost ALWAYS breaks out (the record is probably in the 80%+ range) in the western world's fall season, as that is when westerners are the least likely to protest or take umbrage against the given atrocity. The given atrocity that is occurring using their energies which come from their societies, countries, and cultures.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[turiya]

US has canceled a Syrian Peace Conference meeting with Russia.
It's always war in the northern Fall time (August-September-October). That is when it always begins in earnest.

If war breaks out in the middle east it almost ALWAYS breaks out (the record is probably in the 80%+ range) in the western world's fall season, as that is when westerners are the least likely to protest or take umbrage against the given atrocity. The given atrocity that is occurring using their energies which come from their societies, countries, and cultures.


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What do you do when you don't get your way? Syria (http://cafr1.com/Syria.html)
by Walter Burien - CAFR1.com (http://cafr1.com/)
08/26/2013


Let me make this article short and to the point.

Covert operations have been in play to destabilize and take over Syria for well over seven-years.

As we all know, Afghanistan was the first target of military action as a foot-hold to move on Iraq.

Iraq to accomplish invasion and takeover required significant applied military force to conquer and maintain.

The next two dominoes to fall, Libya and Egypt were done more so with money, CIA assets, and applied covert internal disruption to facilitate the fall.

Syria? Seems there is always one hold-out stuck in the mud. For the last several years the money, CIA assets, and applied covert internal disruption to facilitate the fall keeps running into a brick wall. The coalition gang's intent on conquest has had a tad bit of a problem here. The ruling government has stood up to all covert attempts to facilitate their fall. The people of Syria seem to be fixated on not falling for, or allowing the same game to be played out on them as was done with Libya and Egypt. Even the imported terrorist rebels who are well financed and armed have been getting their you know what kicked and their intent shunned by the people of Syria. In the last several month the Syrian government in cooperation with the people of Syria have retaken the majority of territory that was occupied by the imported rebels.

What is the coalition conquest gang to do?

What do they do when they don't get their way?

Well, that contingency plan was put on the drawing board for action over a year ago in the event all else failed. If all else failed with the application of the money, CIA assets, and applied covert internal disruption through the importation of terrorist organized rebels to facilitate the fall failed, the "Shock and Awl" strike by US Forces would be required to take em down.

But how could the coalition conquest gang do so without getting the 100% condemnation from the international community and especially the slightly already enraged population of the US??? The tried and proven method here would be the choice. "Stage an event to justify"

1. First step: Promote a line in the sand, the use of chemical weapons and make sure all know this.

2. Use your CIA assets and imported terrorist organized rebels to facilitate the staged use of chemical weapons by the targeted fall guy, the "Syrian Government"

3. Promote to one and all: "They have crossed the line in the sand, those monsters, let Shock and Awe commence" (scheduled by the way for September 1st)

Well, for those with short term memories let me give you a refresher. When the coalition conquest gang first announced the "Line in the sand", the Syrian Government being no dummies went out of their way to monitor the imported terrorist organized rebels activities regarding the use and placement of chemical weapons intended to stage the line in the sand crossed and then blamed on the Syrian Government. Well, they caught them doing just that over a year ago and let the world community know this. The international community did cover that event but virtually not a peep in the US.

So, come today, August 26th 2012, the headline "promotions" chemical weapons used in Syria, over 1,000 dead..

Now here is a basic intelligence question for one and all: With the Syrian Government and Syrian people standing up to all that was thrown at them for the last several years of CIA assets, and applied covert internal disruption through the importation of terrorist organized rebels, having driven back the rebels, retaken most of the territory lost, and being in the mop-up phase, would they use chemical weapons against women and children in a residential setting? If your answer is yes to that question, I know an individual who still has some shares in the Brooklyn Bridge he is willing to sell you.

We as a people, if we let the coalition conquest gang get away with this staged event without consequences, then the war that will cascade into a catastrophic event with great potential for world power direct conflict, the consequences will squarely sit on our shoulders.

The coalition conquest gang is but a few and we are many. Choose life over death, and fight for it. The coalition conquest gang's motto is: "No consequences, no problem". Make it very clear the consequences of a staged catastrophe will and shall fall swiftly and decisively on their shoulders from the many. I Note, they have been getting away with it without consequences for much to long folks.

Let the talking heads that promote the intent of this staged event know that they are the real scum that they are for doing so.

Sent FYI for your information, application of intelligence, and decisive action.

Thanks and have a great day! (The good guys that is) the bad guys can fall off a cliff and die.

Walter Burien - CAFR1.com
P. O. Box 2112
Saint Johns, AZ 85936
Tel. (928) 458-5854

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turiya :cool:

[Atlas]

I posted this on another thread but it is relevant here too:

Specialists in the impact of chemical weapons said the video evidence was not entirely convincing :

"At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators," said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

"In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms."

John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, said none of the alleged victims showed "pinpoint pupils ... this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents."

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Expert casts doubt on chemical weapons footage from Syria :
dh4GHMqONMo---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The short video posted at the Telegraph site shows three persons laying on hospital stretchers. All three persons have some white foam around their mouths:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images3/shaving2.jpg
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images3/shaving3.jpg
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images3/shaving4.jpg

The Telegraph has an additional "expert" judging about the "chemical weapon" usage: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former British Army specialist and director of a biological consultancy, said:


From what we've seen, and the descriptions of containers being dropped from the air, it certainly seems that the regime is using sarin in an unprepared state in these attacks,That a is somewhat funny "expert opinion" by a former tank regiment commander from a "biological consultancy" about "chemical weapons" as "foaming at the mouth" is NOT a standard symptom of sarin exposure. Yet, looking at fake videos with shaving foam, he claims to see sarin usage.

(source: Syria: Shaving Cream As Chemical Weapon (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/04/syria-is-shaving-cream-proof-of-chemical-weapon-usage.html))
(http://nodisinfo.com/Home/21714/)
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Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying there has been no chemical attack and it's all a fake, what I'm saying here is that there might be more than we think behind these alleged chemical attacks and a lot of disinfo too.

An example of such disinfo is this article from last year: Austrian Newspaper Apologizes for Fake Syria Photo (http://www.imediaethics.org/News/3284/Austrian_newspaper_apologizes_for_fake_syria_photo.php)

In the Kronen Zeitung from the 28 July on page 4 we printed a photomontage of the civil war in Syria. The photo of a refugee family was shown in front of destroyed homes.

Although we had correctly obtained copyright for usage of both images (EPA and AFP) we sadly failed to indicate that it was a journalistic device of a photomontage for the purposes of illustration. We apology for this failure.http://www.indymedia.ie/cache/imagecache/local/attachments/aug2012/460_0___30_0_0_0_0_0_mediacaughtpublishingfakesyriawarimageryagain.jpg
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Related articles:


U.S. Backs False Flag Chemical Attack in Syria! (http://investmentwatchblog.com/busted-u-s-backs-false-flag-chemical-attack-in-syria/)



Proof of Crisis Acting in the Syrian Gas Attacks? (http://nodisinfo.com/Home/21714/)



The American hoax about the use of chemical weapons in Syria (http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/16848/)

[naste.de.lumina]

Saudis Threaten Russia With Olympic Terrorist Attacks Unless It Abandons Syria Support

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
Aug 27, 2013
Saudi intelligence has issued a tacit threat to have terrorist attacks carried out in Russia at the Winter Olympics in February 2014, should the state continue to support the Assad regime in Syria.
The threat was revealed in leaked transcripts of a closed-door meeting three weeks ago between Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

More: http://www.infowars.com/saudis-threaten-russia-with-olympic-terrorist-attacks-unless-it-abandons-syria-support/

[Abhaya]

So apparently the "Syrian electric army" lol, has begun attacks on the us. Shutting Down the New York Times server today. Probably going to warrant some immediate air strikes.

Breaking on rt

http://rt.com/news/sea-hack-nyt-site-twitter-077/

[Atlas]

Saudis Threaten Russia With Olympic Terrorist Attacks Unless It Abandons Syria Support

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
Aug 27, 2013
Saudi intelligence has issued a tacit threat to have terrorist attacks carried out in Russia at the Winter Olympics in February 2014, should the state continue to support the Assad regime in Syria.
The threat was revealed in leaked transcripts of a closed-door meeting three weeks ago between Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan.
Steve Watson is just trying to get some audience,

Bandar told Putin, “There are many common values ​​and goals that bring us together, most notably the fight against terrorism and extremism all over the world. Russia, the US, the EU and the Saudis agree on promoting and consolidating international peace and security.

The terrorist threat is growing in light of the phenomena spawned by the Arab Spring. We have lost some regimes. And what we got in return were terrorist experiences, as evidenced by the experience of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the extremist groups in Libya. ...

As an example, I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi on the Black Sea next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us, and they will not move in the Syrian territory’s direction without coordinating with us. These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role or influence in Syria’s political future.”

Read more: Moscow ‘rejects’ Saudi ‘offer’ to drop Assad for rich arms deal (http://rt.com/news/saudi-russia-arms-putin-239/)

[Atlas]

they probably are already planning the next war after invading Syria ... another chess piece to a larger picture ...

The wars have been planned for a long time now. If you might recall, Wesley Clark revealed a broad outline of the NWO plan to attack seven mideast countries a long time ago (in this regard Clark is an important whistleblower, as his information has been prophetic)... It may have taken longer than 5 years, and the script/order may have changed a little bit, but Syria was always a target. Iran is the crown jewel. Right around the two minute mark Clark lays out what he was told in 2001...

f7NsXFnzJGw
Thank you for this post T Smith,

General Wesley Clark predicted war with Syria back in 2007

listen to him at 1:15 :


We gonna take out 7 countries in 5 years starting with Irak, and then SYRIA,...fSNyPS0fXpU
See PA's threads :


Wesley Clark Lays Out Takeover Plans Back in 2007 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34412-Wesley-Clark-Lays-Out-Takeover-Plans-Back-in-2007) by Mandala, 10th November 2011



Can a Four Star General (General Wesley Clark) Talk Like a Truther? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17145-Can-a-Four-Star-General--General-Wesley-Clark--Talk-Like-a-Truther) by daledo, 27th March 2011



Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia,... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21144-Gen-Wesley-Clark-Reveals-US-Plan-To-Invade-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon-Lybia-Somalia-Suda) by ktlight, 23rd May 2011

[Atlas]

General Wesley Clark predicted war with Syria back in 2007

listen to him at 1:15 :


We gonna take out 7 countries in 5 years starting with Irak, and then SYRIA,...fSNyPS0fXpU
See PA's threads :


Wesley Clark Lays Out Takeover Plans Back in 2007 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34412-Wesley-Clark-Lays-Out-Takeover-Plans-Back-in-2007) by Mandala, 10th November 2011



Can a Four Star General (General Wesley Clark) Talk Like a Truther? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17145-Can-a-Four-Star-General--General-Wesley-Clark--Talk-Like-a-Truther) by daledo, 27th March 2011



Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia,... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21144-Gen-Wesley-Clark-Reveals-US-Plan-To-Invade-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon-Lybia-Somalia-Suda) by ktlight, 23rd May 2011

[Atlas]

General Wesley Clark predicted war with Syria back in 2007

listen to him at 1:15 :


We gonna take out 7 countries in 5 years starting with Irak, and then SYRIA,...fSNyPS0fXpU
See PA's threads :


Wesley Clark Lays Out Takeover Plans Back in 2007 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34412-Wesley-Clark-Lays-Out-Takeover-Plans-Back-in-2007) by Mandala, 10th November 2011



Can a Four Star General (General Wesley Clark) Talk Like a Truther? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17145-Can-a-Four-Star-General--General-Wesley-Clark--Talk-Like-a-Truther) by daledo, 27th March 2011



Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia,... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21144-Gen-Wesley-Clark-Reveals-US-Plan-To-Invade-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon-Lybia-Somalia-Suda) by ktlight, 23rd May 2011

[Atlas]

I posted this on another thread but it is relevant here too:

Specialists in the impact of chemical weapons said the video evidence was not entirely convincing :

"At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators," said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

"In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms."

John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, said none of the alleged victims showed "pinpoint pupils ... this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Expert casts doubt on chemical weapons footage from Syria :
dh4GHMqONMo---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The short video posted at the Telegraph site shows three persons laying on hospital stretchers. All three persons have some white foam around their mouths:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images3/shaving2.jpg
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images3/shaving3.jpg
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images3/shaving4.jpg

The Telegraph has an additional "expert" judging about the "chemical weapon" usage: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former British Army specialist and director of a biological consultancy, said:


From what we've seen, and the descriptions of containers being dropped from the air, it certainly seems that the regime is using sarin in an unprepared state in these attacks,That a is somewhat funny "expert opinion" by a former tank regiment commander from a "biological consultancy" about "chemical weapons" as "foaming at the mouth" is NOT a standard symptom of sarin exposure. Yet, looking at fake videos with shaving foam, he claims to see sarin usage.

(source: Syria: Shaving Cream As Chemical Weapon (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/04/syria-is-shaving-cream-proof-of-chemical-weapon-usage.html))
(http://nodisinfo.com/Home/21714/)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying there has been no chemical attack and it's all a fake, what I'm saying here is that there might be more than we think behind these alleged chemical attacks and a lot of disinfo too.

An example of such disinfo is this article from last year: Austrian Newspaper Apologizes for Fake Syria Photo (http://www.imediaethics.org/News/3284/Austrian_newspaper_apologizes_for_fake_syria_photo.php)

In the Kronen Zeitung from the 28 July on page 4 we printed a photomontage of the civil war in Syria. The photo of a refugee family was shown in front of destroyed homes.

Although we had correctly obtained copyright for usage of both images (EPA and AFP) we sadly failed to indicate that it was a journalistic device of a photomontage for the purposes of illustration. We apology for this failure.http://www.indymedia.ie/cache/imagecache/local/attachments/aug2012/460_0___30_0_0_0_0_0_mediacaughtpublishingfakesyriawarimageryagain.jpg
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Related articles:


U.S. Backs False Flag Chemical Attack in Syria! (http://investmentwatchblog.com/busted-u-s-backs-false-flag-chemical-attack-in-syria/)



Proof of Crisis Acting in the Syrian Gas Attacks? (http://nodisinfo.com/Home/21714/)



The American hoax about the use of chemical weapons in Syria (http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/16848/)


¤=[Post Update]=¤

General Wesley Clark predicted war with Syria back in 2007

listen to him at 1:15 :


We gonna take out 7 countries in 5 years starting with Irak, and then SYRIA,...fSNyPS0fXpU
See PA's threads :


Wesley Clark Lays Out Takeover Plans Back in 2007 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34412-Wesley-Clark-Lays-Out-Takeover-Plans-Back-in-2007) by Mandala, 10th November 2011



Can a Four Star General (General Wesley Clark) Talk Like a Truther? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17145-Can-a-Four-Star-General--General-Wesley-Clark--Talk-Like-a-Truther) by daledo, 27th March 2011



Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia,... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21144-Gen-Wesley-Clark-Reveals-US-Plan-To-Invade-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon-Lybia-Somalia-Suda) by ktlight, 23rd May 2011

[seehas]

Syria is a free country, that is not in the hands of the banking cartel.
So the banking cartel wants to destroy Syria for not getting along with their plans.

Once they get them(hope not) they will go after the last standing piece on the chess game...Iran.

I'm sure they will take their oil, and they will go after their museums, just like they did in Iraq. I honestly don't know why they will have interest in their museums and what they contain.

Anyone knows???

its wisdom that goes far back in time some of the stuff they found contains babylonian knowledge like old rituals they held or even technology hints, they are still looking for it because they dont have the big picture yet and some puzzle parts are still missing.

its the same the nazis did back in time, because they understood that humanity once was much more advanced then we think to be now.

also iran was the base of the great persian empire and magic was very common there, many starseeds chose this place to incarnate and share wisdom and knowledge, that could also be a interesting part of iran.

[Operator]

I honestly don't know why they will have interest in their museums and what they contain.

Anyone knows???

Not a museum but an historic site of importance: Mount Hermon (just a guess) ... close to Damascus.

I think John Urwin had some life-changing experiences there.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Syria: Another Western War Crime In The Making

Paul Craig Roberts

Update:

The war criminals in Washington and other Western capitals are determined to maintain their lie that the Syrian government used chemical weapons. Having failed in efforts to intimidate the UN chemical inspectors in Syria, Washington has demanded that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon withdraw the chemical weapons inspectors before they can assess the evidence and make their report. The UN Secretary General stood up to the Washington war criminals and rejected their demand. However, as with Iraq, Washington's decision to commit aggression against Syria is not based on any facts. http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-un-war-investigation-006/ (http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-un-war-investigation-006/)

The US and UK governments have revealed none of the “conclusive evidence” they claim to have that the Syrian government used chemical weapons. Listening to their voices, observing their body language, and looking into their eyes, it is completely obvious that John Kerry and his British and German puppets are lying through their teeth. This is a far more shameful situation than the massive lies that former Secretary of State Colin Powell told the UN about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell claims that he was deceived by the White House and did not know that he was lying. Kerry and the British, French, and German puppets know full well that they are lying.

The face that the West presents to the world is the brazen face of a liar.


Washington and its British and French puppet governments are poised to yet again reveal their criminality. The image of the West as War Criminal is not a propaganda image created by the West’s enemies, but the portrait that the West has painted of itself.

The UK Independent reports that over this past week-end Obama, Cameron, and Hollande agreed to launch cruise missile attacks against the Syrian government within two weeks despite the lack of any authorization from the UN and despite the absence of any evidence in behalf of Washington’s claim that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against the Washington-backed “rebels”, largely US supported external forces, seeking to overthrow the Syrian government.

More..... (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/) (Aug 26, 2013)

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pxp61tYJcw

"Published on Aug 28, 2013
UKIP's Nigel Farage on bloodthirsty UK and USA wanting to send in cruise missles to bomb Syrian leader Assad into submission, whilst at the same time supporting terrorists trying to depose Assad.

Recorded from BBC NEws Channel, 28 August 2013."

[delfine]

This gas-attack reeks of being just another "Pearl Harbour":


http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/us-intel-proves-kerry-a-liar-exclusive-footage-of-rebel-gas-attac



http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-syria-045648224.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFvzWvqfrOU

[Harley]

Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/28/israeli-intelligence-first-confirmed-assad-regime-behind-alleged-chemical/) is reporting that

Israeli intelligence first confirmed Assad regime behind alleged chemical attack.

The initial confirmation that the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad was responsible for a suspected chemical weapons attack Aug. 21 came from a tip from the Israeli intelligence service, western intelligence sources tell Fox News.

A special unit of the Israeli Defense Force -- an intelligence unit that goes by the number 8200, which is a military intelligence listening unit -- has been cooperating with the NSA

This Israeli intelligence unit helped provide the intelligence intercepts that allowed the White House last weekend to conclude that the Assad regime was behind the attack.

Initially, according to well-placed U.S. intelligence sources, there was apparent confusion over whether chemical weapons were used and who gave the orders, but the U.S. now has access to intercepted conversations.

The administration also has satellite images that suggested the Assad regime was in the process of covering up the chemical attack by shelling the area where most of the deaths from the alleged chemical attack had occurred.

“We believe that it's too late for the U.N. inspection to be credible given the mass shelling that the regime has done in the affected areas,” State Department spokesman Marie Harf told reporters. “And we're going to make our own decisions on our own timeline about our response. Obviously we will continue consultations with our international partners around the world but we are making decisions based on our own timeline."

The Obama administration has not yet released intelligence on last week’s chemical weapons attack in Syria, in part because of concerns over what could be declassified.

However, President Obama in an interview with PBS Wednesday declared unequivocally that the United States has "concluded" that the Syrian government carried out the attack.

The report is considered a key component in the administration’s public case for intervention – and a possible military strike – in Syria.

Officials originally suggested the report would be released as early as Tuesday, but now there are hints the release may not come until at least Thursday.

The intelligence community is working through concerns about which intelligence is de-classified, because it could reveal sources and methods.

The timing of the release is important, though, because the more the report is delayed, the longer it will be before the administration steps up its public case for military action -- if they choose that route.

A senior administration official told Fox News on Wednesday that once the intelligence community finishes its formal assessment of the chemical attack, a larger and classified report will be sent to Congress that will have a lot more detail. Then the administration will publicly release a smaller declassified version.

“It is important to remember that the protection of sources and methods must be taken into account when the intelligence community determines what information can be declassified and released to the public,” the senior administration official said.

“While the Congress will receive a classified version of the assessment that includes the broad range of intelligence collected, the intelligence information we are able to provide publicly will be limited in scope.”

A senior U.S. official also confirmed a report that initially appeared in the Wall Street Journal that National Security Adviser Susan Rice wanted to get the U.N. inspectors out of Syria last weekend because the U.S. already believed it had the information it needed to confirm the Syrian government’s culpability.

A White House official would not comment on internal deliberations between Rice and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power.

The Wall Street Journal quoted from an email that Rice reportedly sent Sunday to Power and others within the administration.

"The investigation is. . .too late, and will actually tell us what we already know: CW was used," Ms. Rice wrote, using the abbreviation for chemical weapons. "It won't even tell us by whom, which we already know."

U.N. inspectors have permission to be in Syria until Sunday.

When the report they speak of above is released (probably Thursday) it is going to say (basically) that shortly after the chemical attack east of Damascus U.S. intelligence services intercepted phone calls between an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense and a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike.

This, along with some satellite photos they'll probably present to help bolster their case, will be the major reason why the US says they're certain that the attacks were the work of the Syrian Gov.

The U.S. military is likely to attack in a matter of days.

[norman]

I think we have to start questioning whether Al Qaida are actually Islamic. I believe they are not.

Is a mercenary killer ever a truly religious person?

It's true that a certain amount of delusion is needed for one to become a mercenary, and most delusion is sourced from religion, but taking the devil's shilling is something quite different, I think.

I really don't think Mohamed would be cheering those guys on.

[Harley]

* During a U.N. Security Council meeting, Germany and Britain announced they are pursuing a resolution to authorize the use of force against Syria.

* Russia and China walked out of the meeting.

* The Israeli gov is handing out gas masks to it's population in Northern Israel.

* There will be a news conference by Obama, probably Thursday (no later than Friday).

* UN Inspectors have to be out of Syria on Sunday.

And for a long time now I haven't wanted to say this, but since the State Department (blatantly) said "We are making decisions based on our own timeline", here it is:

This coming week-end is a three day holiday week-end in the US (Labor Day - Monday, September 2) and I wish for everyone to have a wonderful week-end.

Tuesday isn't looking quite so promising.

[Soda]

I think we have to start questioning whether Al Qaida are actually Islamic. I believe they are not.

I once asked a (very nice) Muslim friend of mine what she thought about the fanatic Islamic terrorist types --- and she said, "they are NOT us!"

[Harley]

* The US has sent another aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf.

* The Russians are sending warships to the Easter Med. Sea.

* Iran and Russia are working together.

* Iran is stressing that Israel WILL be attacked.

* Haven't heard much about China today but know they're in there somewhere (Probably the 'Clean-Up Crew'.

Too much activity and too many bombs amassing.
Looks like another Bay of Pigs, only much bigger.

[Soda]

Today I did something I have never done before - I called my Senator and Congressman's offices to express that I DO NOT support military action in Syria. To my surprise, both of the ladies who took down the message were kind, polite and receptive to my thoughts. I actually asked both of them if they personally supported going to war in Syria, and they both said NO! The one at my congressman's office actually said, "we have enough problems of our own in this country and should just mind our own business." I fully expected them to just take the message and not offer their opinions, but they didn't even hesitate to agree with me! It was encouraging to know that (at least 2 of) the employees working for the psychopaths in our government were free-thinking individuals! I highly recommend getting on the phone and calling your senators and congressman as I did. We must not allow another senseless war!!!

[Corncrake]

Interesting piece here by Sibel Edmonds (former FBI translator and 9/11 whistleblower) from Boiling Frogs who had been given insider information by credible witnesses/journalists after the MSM had refused to publish it:

BFP Syria Coverage Track Record: What & When We Exposed, and the MSM- Quasi Alternative Culprits Who Fought Our Exposés

Boiling Frogs Post was the first and only website to break the unofficially official preparation for long-planned war with Syria.

21 months and nine days ago, on November 21, 2011, Boiling Frogs Post published an exclusive report on Syria: A Secret US-NATO Training & Support Camp to Oust Current Syrian President

- See more at: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/08/29/bfp-syria-coverage-track-record-what-when-we-exposed-and-the-msm-quasi-alternative-culprits-who-fought-our-exposes/#sthash.r9YmG7R7.dpuf

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/08/29/bfp-syria-coverage-track-record-what-when-we-exposed-and-the-msm-quasi-alternative-culprits-who-fought-our-exposes/

[Billy]

UK MP's just voted against the Prime minister, NO WAR with Syria, Not now, soon or later. This is huge.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23892783



Peace

[Muzz]

From Before its News (http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2013/08/un-says-rebels-used-nerve-gas-large-explosion-rocks-damascus-assad-flees-to-iran-2447880.html)

UN Official, Syrian Rebels Used Sarin Nerve Gas, Not Assad’s Army

Testimony from victims now strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin Nerve Gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior UN diplomat said Monday.
Carla del Ponte, a member of the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent. read more (http://www.livetradingnews.com/un-official-syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-assads-army-6636.htm)

[Billy]

UK MP's just voted against the Prime minister, NO WAR with Syria, Not now, soon or later. This is huge.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23892783



Peace

Sorry about the link, I posted this just a few mins after the news was released, My connection does not allow Utube or FB ect. But Utube must be buzzing
with this info just now. Some very powerful expressions were voiced.

[Tesseract]

Now the inevitable: emergence of the fact the USA actually has no idea who ordered the attack:



Meanwhile those sources familiar with the dossier say it is filled with caveats and holes. It reportedly does not tie the attacks indisputably either to Assad or even to members of his inner circle. And while there is an intercept of a phone conversation about the incident apparently between Syrian Army commanders, there is no saying how senior they are or how close to the president.

Thus the US administration cannot be certain the gas wasn’t released by rogue elements in the army or, more worryingly, by al-Qa’ida fighters trying to draw the West into the conflict.

The CIA and the Pentagon have relied on the spy agencies of Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel for much of the material.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/syria-crisis-president-obama-lacks-smoking-gun-linking-assad-to-gas-attacks-8790603.html

[Tesseract]

On that 5 day delay:

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Besides, the way the UN was happy to investigate other alleged attacks months after the act.

[DeDukshyn]

I've never been part of a protest in my life, but Saturday I think I will go downtown - a few groups have come together to protest around the US embassy here. Not sure how effective it is, but the importance seems worth some effort. This whole thing is BS ...

[161803398]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?Han5fgzy4KU

[ktlight]

Cameron has been defeated. USA probably going it alone to kill Syria (with the support of Israel).

[Corncrake]

Cameron has been defeated. USA probably going it alone to kill Syria (with the support of Israel).

Yes, for now, but we must keep the pressure up. There is a 'Stop the War' organised demonstration planned for tomorrow noon at Temple on the Embankment.

Peter Oborne (journalist on the Telegraph) recently said:

"Stop the War Coalition (a miscellaneous collection of mainly far-Left political organisations, by no means all of them reputable, which marches through London this Saturday in protest) has consistently shown far more mature judgment on these great issues of war and peace than Downing Street, the White House or the CIA."

[SilentFeathers]

Here's an interesting article I found......


As everyone is now completely distracted with the looming prospect of yet another illegal war to be waged by the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize recipient, let’s look at a few other things going on while no one is looking.

Gun control

Today, the Obama administration announced fresh measures to restrict the availability of firearms in the Land of the Free.

This time around, they want to ban the re-importation of firearms that have been exported from the US to allied nations. They also want to raise the bar on federal background checks.

But rather than go through Congress, the Obama administration is simply going to create a new ‘rule’.

‘Rules’ are a type of regulation created directly by agencies within the Executive Branch. They’re not laws, but they carry the same weight and effect as laws, complete with criminal and civil penalties.

Oftentimes, hundreds of new rules are proposed every single day in the Land of the Free. It’s the easiest way for the President to circumvent the Constitution and simply decree whatever he wants.

Debt ceiling

The US government is once again danger close to defaulting.

Bear in mind, at the start of the ‘credit crisis’ six years ago, US federal debt was just $8.9 trillion. Today, US federal debt stands at $16.738 trillion– 88% higher.

Curiously, the statutory debt limit is $16.699 trillion… so the US government already breached its limit 39 billion dollars ago.

For the last few months, the Treasury Department has been resorting to ‘extraordinary measures’ in order to avoid default (i.e. things that you and I would go to jail for).

But Treasury Secretary Jack Lew is about out of bullets. So the US could be in danger of defaulting at any moment, especially if an unexpected fiscal ‘surprise’ should arise… like, uh, war.

That’s the funny thing about war– they tend to be expensive. And starting another war might very well be the straw that broke the camel’s back.

No inflation to see here

As I write this letter, fast food workers across the US are protesting, demanding higher wages. Crazy. Apparently you can’t live on $7.25/hour anymore.

Someone needs to tell these people that there’s no inflation, and that the Grand Wizard himself, Ben Bernanke, has everything under control.

Outright Collapse in many Emerging Markets

From India to Mexico, South Africa to Indonesia, emerging market currencies have practically been in freefall in the latest sign that the fiat experiment is drawing to a rapid close.

This movement has massive implications for gold– that ‘barbarous relic’ that people are scooping up in bulk right now as a means to preserve their savings.

It’s gotten so bad in India that the government there is imposing severe capital controls and gold restrictions– setting the standard for other nations in the future. Is confiscation to follow?

http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/as-syria-distracts-heres-what-else-is-happening-while-no-one-is-looking-12655/

Lot's going on folk's....not just in Syria.

...and Syria is not just about Syria, it's about the West going up against Russia, China, Iran etc., AND SYRIA. The proxy war is very close to bursting in to a fully visible conflict against all these countries.

In the meanwhile.....the article mentions a few other things going on.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Don't forget gas from Russia and the war for control of the energy supplies in Europe, trillions to be made here.

[GoodETxSG]

Not to mention a BREWING scandal with the Muslim Brotherhood that was about to blow wide open in Egypt. As soon as that was getting very close to coming out... "GAS ATTACK IN SYRIA!" this game of "Chess" would be impossible because of the size of the board and number of pieces if it weren't for the Corporate Controlled Media.

Interesting that a few articles recently have come out about global awakening mention/related to the following/ CFR Meeting: Zbigniew Brzezinski Fears The Global Awakening

http://www.infowars.com/cfr-meeting-zbigniew-brzezinski-fears-the-global-awakening/

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http://www.infowars.com/brzezinskis-feared-global-awakening-has-arrived/

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http://www.infowars.com/brzezinski-global-political-awakening-making-syrian-war-difficult/

[Lifebringer]

The trail is leading back to Richard B. Cheney and Neogoons again. Britham owned by Cheney and they want more war profiteering to keep funding the "lack Ooops" because wall st backers/bankers are going to jail. They can't be trusted to lick a stamp.:eyebrows:

WE are not going to do anything by medical aid, and arrest of those trying to escape. MEN Middle East Nations, will get AZZad out, or they will starve their compounds.:wizard: Even Sadaam had to hide in a hole.

Cannibalism of the servants inside, and a raving lunatic in the end surrendering before the people storm the compound.:smash:
But the trail on who provided and delivered the cw's, used them, and bring them to justice.:ballchain::whoo:

It's coming out, and those who think they can trigger a war before it happens are sadly mistaken.

I simply have to look at who's providing the same I intell,:whistle: and know they're the same ones that said 'yellow cake in Africa, and WMD by Sadaam."
No credibility, what's so ever.

They are getting desperate, and they are getting sloppy.:tea:

[jagman]

It looks like the Administration is going to strike Syria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGtWytda1Rk&feature=player_detailpage

[jagman]

President Obama will address the American people in 20 minutes.

[skippy]

Please keep us updated Jag..

[andrewgreen]

People have to get on the streets. Can not be allowed to happen!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Why is this important?

If it is a limited strike that achieves nothing, then in a month it will barely be remembered. But this is being given much more weight than that.

The amount of hype and coverage on CNN showing pictures of children harmed, debates and speeches, and over-analysis of every little thing seems to indicate that there is an agenda here. But what exactly is the agenda?

I remember when Clinton wasted some expensive tomahawk missiles to blow up some tents as a punitive measure, there was no discussion beforehand. When Reagan sent F111 fighter bombers into Libya and bombed Gadaffi's house as a punitive measure, there was no discussion beforehand. So this looks different and the question is why? What's really going on? Is it because Syria is backed by Russia that this is being handled differently?

I'm not buying that the goal here is simply punitive because there is too much propaganda for just that. So the question is, what is the real goal of the United States in this case?

I'm also surprised that no one has asked whether or not the United States and Israel made those chemical attacks themselves in order to further an agenda. I don't think this myself, but it's the sort of question that I would expect to see by now.

[Freed Fox]

Is it because Syria is backed by Russia that this is being handled differently?



That is a large part of it, yes.

I get the sense that the general public are fearing another Afghanistan/Iraq-esque engagement (lengthy occupation which amounts to little more than wasted lives and tax dollars), but this is potentially much more serious. Syria is a valuable ally to not only Russia, but also China and Iran (which was not the case with either of the two aforementioned countries, or Libya AFAIK). Not to be hyperbolic, but this appears to have all the makings of a potential WW III scenario (which, as many have speculated in the past, could very possibly include nuclear strikes).

[seko]

What a load of freaking rubbish!!

This person (John Kerry) is a liar big time.

Hearing so many lies made me feel sick.

[jagman]

Whiskey Mystic
Your asking some really valid questions in my opinion but unfortunately I do not have the answers.
Israel is now deploying it's Irondome Missile defense system. The Russians have sent their warships
to have a standoff with ours.The US is sending another destroyer a total of 4 now

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Yes, but what I would have expected from Russia is a vague warning that if the US takes action then it will take action, but without giving specifics. The fact that they have not done that essentially is an invitation for a limited strike so that the US saves face (Obama said he would act if chem weapons were used).

So, my analysis is that this is not as big a deal as CNN is making of it. But... everyone is acting like it is, so there is a missing piece. There may be an event that has not happened yet that will make things clear. All we can do is wait and see.

[MR Mojo]

Kerry is using every "weasel word" in the dictionary to not say the Assad regime was responsible. The "Base" is responsible in no uncertain terms / backed by our alphabet black ops. Dear leader wants chaos in the Middle East and will do anything his massive ego dictates to achieve it. He was promised Carte Blanche by his backers and he has the arrogance to believe his is untouchable. He will be proven wrong but many will suffer.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

This is even more important!

Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz0TxVmq3-Q#t=307

[gripreaper]

Lets throw some chum in the water and see what sharks show up, shall we? Could the Syrian's possibly be defiant to the globalist banksters, not wanting to subjugate themselves into debt slaves like the rest of the world? Could there possibly be Natural Gas resources which need route to the Mediterranean? Could it just be some rogue leader who wont bow to the globalists?

This type of imperialism is certainly nothing new, ya know, marginalize the current regime, make them out to be inhumane torturers and murderers, and then the world will get behind you, go in there, bomb them, and put a new regime in who will follow the globalist agenda and hand over all resources and become debt slaves, but wait! The people of the world are not buying it this time? Why not? The media just threw in a napalm bomb in a Syrian school on the heels of chemical attacks and still no support from the people?

This is disconcerting considering many of the major world powers are aligning, showing up with their war toys, and a perfect storm could brew from this, not letting a good crisis go to waste when there is such a broad globalist agenda to fulfill worldwide.

Heck, might be a good time to choke off oil flows, trigger disruptions in global commerce, food shortages, ya know, the usual stuff to get the people riled up and indignant against the perpetrators, who cares who they are. Look at how the media marginalizes other humans, as if to tell us, humans are evil and they are amongst you! How can you be safe when your neighbor is a rapist and a murderer?

One thing is for sure, follow the money. More succinctly, follow the power. Who benefits? The globalist elite, that's who.

[Chip]

Thanks Jag
I've been following this too like a hawk. It most certainly looks like another "Gulf of Tonkin".
How brazen they have gotten. Are they not aware of how many of us that can see beyond their veiled illusion only to showcase an agenda that's flashing like a strobe.
Unfortunately for me as I write this from the Tel Aviv Hilton. I'm much too close for my comfort sake.
I am scheduled to leave on Wednesday but am hopeful the "boss" takes note of the situation and changes his schedule accordingly.
Ugh

[Lefty Dave]

I took a poll on my friends on FB this week...should US attack Syria...yes or no.....don't want the why's or why nots'....just yes or no.........well of course many had to add comments, however I got 30 responces so far...28 no's 1 yes...and of course my boy's reply...apple sauce ! So it feels like humanity's answer is NO...but hell, it was just a poll !!!! Blessings

[Valle]

Bush / Kerry = Skull / Bones = Power / Revenue?
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[johnf]

I did a search with, yellow cake uranium, and syria chemical weapons, some people are writing stuff on the web making that comparison.
Avalon might want to start an intention project to get Kerry, and Obama to slip the words yellow cake into their speeches.

jf

[jagman]

Thanks Jag
I've been following this too like a hawk. It most certainly looks like another "Gulf of Tonkin".
How brazen they have gotten. Are they not aware of how many of us that can see beyond their veiled illusion only to showcase an agenda that's flashing like a strobe.
Unfortunately for me as I write this from the Tel Aviv Hilton. I'm much too close for my comfort sake.
I am scheduled to leave on Wednesday but am hopeful the "boss" takes note of the situation and changes his schedule accordingly.
Ugh

Brother stay safe. Do you have access to a gas mask?

[Chip]

Thanks Jag
I've been following this too like a hawk. It most certainly looks like another "Gulf of Tonkin".
How brazen they have gotten. Are they not aware of how many of us that can see beyond their veiled illusion only to showcase an agenda that's flashing like a strobe.
Unfortunately for me as I write this from the Tel Aviv Hilton. I'm much too close for my comfort sake.
I am scheduled to leave on Wednesday but am hopeful the "boss" takes note of the situation and changes his schedule accordingly.
Ugh

Brother stay safe. Do you have access to a gas mask?

I know good question.
Because I am the consummate survivalist back home in SoCal, I have gas masks and it would have been a good idea to pack one. But I'm often reminded that I'm still an ignorant human and suffer from this deadly disease often (not paying attention).
Funny though, not a soul is stirring here. As if all is normal, people strolling on the beach and joggers passing me as I try to find some shade to meditate in.
Thank you for you concerns Jagman and thank you for all your contributions. I appreciate them.
Cheers
Love

[Carmody]

A minimal strike on someplace like Syria is the base prior requirement (order of steps) for the assured success of a high profile false flag strike on US soil.

This, in that order, so as to create Fascist Fortress North America, and save the owners of oil companies, energy companies, big pharma, black ops organizations, the group running Israel, and the owners of the Federal reserve from...... imminent disaster.

They must do this, or end where they stand.

Thus .....they move forward with a minimal limited strike..... and prepare their false flag operation. Last chance saloon.

To be sure, they are playing multiple games at once. Games with multiple directions and potentials.

You don't get to that level and not have a minimum of multiple potential outcomes that can each be beneficial and each outcome already having a secondary response in place.

[ThePythonicCow]

Not to mention a BREWING scandal with the Muslim Brotherhood that was about to blow wide open in Egypt. As soon as that was getting very close to coming out... "GAS ATTACK IN SYRIA!" this game of "Chess" would be impossible because of the size of the board and number of pieces if it weren't for the Corporate Controlled Media.

Interesting that a few articles recently have come out about global awakening mention/related to the following/ CFR Meeting: Zbigniew Brzezinski Fears The Global Awakening

Corey - the two Youtube videos in your post above are no longer available. Any idea if other copies are available?

[Carmody]

It looks like the Administration is going to strike Syria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGtWytda1Rk&feature=player_detailpage

Now we know that Kerry definitely will fellate a donkey on national TV for the backers of Israel, the thing is to now see if he goes solo... or shares his donkey with Canadian Prime minister Stephen Harper and UK prime Minister David Cameron.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/10/snl-cuts-sketch-in-which-gop-asks-chuck-hagel-whether-hed-perform-oral-sex-to-help-israel-video/

[bmdb]

I did a search with, yellow cake uranium, and syria chemical weapons, some people are writing stuff on the web making that comparison.
Avalon might want to start an intention project to get Kerry, and Obama to slip the words yellow cake into their speeches.

jf

oh you've gone and done it now...don't be surprised if some suits pull up in a bunch of black suv's and want to speak with you. ;)

[johnf]

I did a search with, yellow cake uranium, and syria chemical weapons, some people are writing stuff on the web making that comparison.
Avalon might want to start an intention project to get Kerry, and Obama to slip the words yellow cake into their speeches.

jf
oh you've gone and done it now...don't be surprised if some suits pull up in a bunch of black suv's and want to speak with you. ;)

Well, there was a bunch of people at a house on the next block a few days ago training for swat, ar's and all, so
I won't be that surprised.


jf

[Harley]

And for a long time now I haven't wanted to say this, but since the State Department (blatantly) said "We are making decisions based on our own timeline", here it is:

This coming week-end is a three day holiday week-end in the US (Labor Day - Monday, September 2) and I wish for everyone to have a wonderful week-end.

Tuesday isn't looking quite so promising.

UN Headquarters just stated:


Although it is a holiday weekend here in the United States, we expect our weekend to be interrupted.

[Kiforall]

One of the conspiracies is that we believe there is a democracy, that our voice will be heard.

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There is also another conspiracy, that in line with Agenda 21, Matrix Chambers, a humanitarian law firm, founded by Cherie Blair ( Tony Blair's wife) could be preparing a new international human rights legislation whereby one country would have legal jurisdiction over another on the grounds of international human rights.

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http://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/Members/61/Cherie%20Booth.aspx

[cursichella1]

One of my posts yesterday, during the hack, was questioning if Cheney's declaration on 9/11, implementing "Continuity of Government" (COG), was still active with the ongoing renewals of the State of Emergency and Patriot Act. That could be the only explanation for Obama's belief that he doesn't require Congressional approval for Syria strikes.

Anyway, it appears that this is the case. Also explains NSA's carte blanche attitude as well as Obama's defense of it. (Come to think of it, it explains a lot!) Congressional inquiries into COG have been blocked because it is all classified. (I guess Congress can't be trusted with this info. They might tell us...)

Extremely informative video of Peter Dale Scott speaking on the background and current status of COG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWVTkUMXcU0

Related articles:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/supplanting-the-united-states-constitution-war-national-emergency-and-continuity-of-government/19238

http://www.globalresearch.ca/continuity-of-government-is-the-state-of-emergency-superseding-our-constitution/22089

http://www.globalresearch.ca/yes-america-is-still-in-an-official-state-of-emergency/17545

[Selene]

Good news: the MSM seems to be pushing back on a US attack on Syria. Now Faux News – the Republican stronghold – is objecting to a US intervention. This is in addition to comment trails on NBC, HuffPost, etc reporting the info that Syrian rebels – not Assad’s troops – have claimed responsibility for the gas attack. Truth is gaining some exposure and traction in the MSM.

Could this editorial (below) from the warhawk stronghold mean that the Republicans will balk in Congress – and deny a vote for Syrian war unless they get….what? WoooHoooo. The stumbling block.

This could work. Politics makes unlikely bedfellows, as they say.

Keep it up, Avalonians. Inch by inch here….

Headline: If America wants Assad to respect international law, it must respect it, too



Now that President Obama has made up his mind about taking America to war with yet another Muslim country, he wants Congress to get on board.

To his credit, he’s seeking congressional authorization, as required by the War Powers Act of 1973, but he has given every indication that he’ll invade Syria irrespective of approval by majorities in the House and the Senate.

Presidents have done it before, without congressional authorization, from Harry Truman to Ronald Reagan to Bill Clinton.

This would be a shame. Not only would it mean that the U.S. would be flouting, somewhat ostentatiously, international law, but it would also mean that this would be the eighth Muslim-majority country with which America has been at war during Obama’s term as president. Count them: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Libya, Somalia, and now Syria.

Syria would be the eighth Muslim-majority country with which America has been at war during Obama’s term as president. Count them: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Libya, Somalia, and now Syria.

This weekend, the White House came courting to Congress, showing evidence and secret intelligence to make the case for military action. What was remarkably lacking, however, throughout all the pomp and circumstance, was any other tool in their intervention toolkit.

No talk about exhaustive diplomacy with all stakeholders involved.

No talk about violence prevention.

No talk about the International Criminal Court.

No talk about working with the U.N. Security Council. In fact, quite the opposite: as evidenced by Secretary Kerry’s speech on Friday and Obama’s speech on Saturday, an implicit dismissal of all of these options. In fact, Kerry directly dismissed the U.N.’s role and its Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, as did the president.

This is unprecedented, especially for a Democratic White House. This also puts the president’s main argument – that the violation of international law, vis-à-vis chemical weapons usage, is the main pretext for invasion – in a precarious position.

Why, because the president, unless he gets clearance from the U.N. Security Council before/after he gets clearance (or not) from members of Congress, will also be in direct violation of international law.

That means that our president is going to war with another country’s president for violating international law while our president is fully prepared to violate international law. How’s that for international norm setting and standard bearing?

America must remember that, at present, there is no international legal justification for an attack on Syria.

America would need a United Nations Security Council resolution, backing the invasion, which it has yet to secure.

This is a clear double-standard and one that erodes the ethical fabric forged in 1945, within the United Nations Charter , and before, in the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928.
America should care about international law and justice, and we should use all necessary measures and mechanisms in place for such legal enforcement, to hold Assad – and possibly some of the rebel groups --accountable for crimes against humanity and war crimes.

We agree that there is no excuse for President Assad’s actions. If the Assad government is responsible for the hundreds dead from last week’s chemical weapons use, Assad will have violated international laws like the 1925 Geneva protocol prohibiting the use of biological and chemical weapons.

That still doesn’t allow America, or the UK, or France, to invade the country.
Syria’s lack of involvement, as a state party, in the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention and the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention , also does not justify military intervention by the West.

No matter how egregious the violation, America must still work within the legal frameworks at the United Nations Security Council, lest we undermine them further by flouting their very existence. Failure to do so would not be a good legal precedent for an American president to set.

Secretary Kerry once agreed with this thinking, reaffirming, during his confirmation hearings in January 2013 , “a U.N. resolution is a necessary ingredient to provide the legal basis for military action in an emergency”.

And while this crisis in Syria is undoubtedly an emergency, in light of the concern that the Assad government used chemical weapons on his people, we have had plenty of time – and tens of thousands of deaths – to make the legal case to the U.N. Security Council and to the US Congress, something the Obama administration has failed to do.

If the administration wants to avoid undermining almost a century of international law, and four decades of Congressional legislation, President Obama, Secretary Kerry, and Ambassador Samantha Power are going to have to make the case to Congress and to the Security Council.

America, that is the hard work that is necessary. There is no excuse for a half-baked case and there is no excuse for claims of urgency when tens of thousands of Syrians have already died with little fanfare in Washington.

If America wants the Assad government – or any other government for that matter – to obey by the strictures of international law, the West must set the standard for responsible adherence.

Invading Syria now not only fails on that front but also further undermines the West’s ability to forge agreement around this entire premise. And what a crime that would constitute.

Democrat Raul Grijalva represents Arizona's 3rd congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives. He is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
Michael Shank is director of foreign policy at the Friends Committee on National Legislation


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/01/if-america-wants-assad-to-respect-international-law-it-must-respect-it-too/#ixzz2dhIRE8CV

Cheers,

Selene

[gripreaper]

https://sphotos-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/970001_4834517150016_1834473087_n.jpg

[GlassSteagallfan]

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The image John Kerry WON'T want you to see: U.S. Secretary of State pictured dining with Assad and his wife at Damascus restaurant before war broke out in Syria

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408805/The-image-John-Kerry-WONT-want-U-S-Secretary-State-pictured-dining-Assad-wife-Damascus-restaurant-war-broke-Syria.html#ixzz2dkdJokJU


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[SilentFeathers]

Bashar al-Assad was born in Damascus on 11 September 1965

Congress returns on September 9th and will likely vote on a strike against Syria either on Sept 9 or 10th.....later during the day (into the evening) on September 10, US time, will actually be September 11, Syrian time, Assad's birthday.

Just my thoughts......in the last few years many events have happened when numbers, days, names, etc etc seem to be coincidences and or some sense of weird synchronicity being involved. I see this as no different.

Side note:

Asma al-Assad, born 11 August 1975, is the British-Syrian First Lady of Syria.[2][3] Born, raised and educated in the United Kingdom by Syrian-born parents, she graduated from King's College London in 1996 with a bachelor's degree in computer science and French literature. She briefly pursued a career in international investment banking before moving to Syria to marry President Bashar al-Assad in December 2000.

Brief finance career
After graduating, she started work at Deutsche Bank Group in the hedge fund management division with clients in Europe and East Asia.[1] In 1998 she joined the investment banking division of J.P. Morgan where she worked on a team that specialized in biotechnology and pharmaceutical companies.

From wiki


Perhaps these things are just all "coincidences!" :)

Another strange thing is that this is the first time since I believe 1787 that Parliament voted no to a "go to war" argument/request. Why is this is a good question to be asking.

[Mutchie]

It worries me no end that America seems hellbent on war & that our David Cameron was hoping to gain enough support so that we,d be there aswell ... Do they really want WW3 ? Surely Assad would not order a chemicals weapons attack whilst there is inspectors there at that very time - it seems insane !!!:confused:

[Camilo]

We can help stop this conflict from escalating by continuing to work on the "Inner Planes" the origin or birthplace of anything and everything that becomes manifest

[SilentFeathers]

Putting the peices together yet folk's ? :)


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/04/article-0-005BF55900000258-902_468x345.jpg
Asma, described as the 'rose of the desert', stands alongside her husband Bashar Assad as they meet the Queen at Buckingham Palace

Asma was educated at a Church of England school in Ealing before attending a private girls’ day school — Queen’s College, Harley Street.

Those who know her say that, unsurprisingly, given that she spent the first 25 years of her life in London, Asma has liberal western values.

With her father, she has set up several London-based charities such as the Syria Heritage Foundation on whose boards sit figures such as Margaret Thatcher’s aide Lord Powell, whose son Hugh advises Cameron from the Foreign Office, and Wafic Said, the billionaire founder of Oxford University’s Said Business School.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373064/Syria-protests-Could-Asma-Al-Assad-doctors-daughter-Acton-stop-bloodshed.html


I find it quite interesting also when trying to figure out who the Syrian First Lady's mother really is.....

[GeminiWoman]

FYI the group, Storm Clouds Gathering, that out out the infomration on you are talking about, later withdrew the video about those Britam Defense emails as they found out they were fake. They have a new video up on YouTube explaining about the retraction.

[Operator]

It just passed my mind ... if Iran is backing Syria we might see some surprises. They are capable of taking out
highly sophisticated and classified drones of the US without 'shooting' them down.

They have warned once that they are also capable of taking missiles out of the air and return them to sender. ;)

[SilentFeathers]

In many ways they were an odd couple. She was for all intents and purposes a Westerner, though her parents were Sunni Muslims from Homs.

He was a doctor who had got to know Asma when he did postgraduate study in opthalmology in London in the early 1990s. At that time Bashar had few political aspirations and his elder brother, Bassel, was being groomed to take over the presidency.

But when Bassel was killed in a road accident, the couple's lives changed. Bashar was recalled to Damascus to assume his brother's role and Asma, after their marriage in 2000, became part of, but not central to, the Assad regime.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/beauty-and-the-beast-a-syrian-tragedy/story-e6freuy9-1226288186731

This all could of made a really good spy novel, but instead it sounds like a bit of reality to me....

Sounds to me that Mrs. Assad failed to meet her operational 007 like orders and went rogue and Mr. Assad couldn't be convinced to love the Queen of England more than his country! :)

But in the bigger picture, something REALLY odd is happening with Parliament voting no and Obama backpedaling bigtime......we don't see a 180 happen like this too often folk's, and "they" usually do not make mistakes this big!

So IMO.....WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!!! big card will be played soon.

[Selene]

So IMO.....WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!!! big card will be played soon.

Yeah. That’s what concerns me, too. If Obama’s mobsters are denied their Syrian attack mandate, they’ll have to have a backup plan: maybe a big sarin gas attack within the US that leaves thousands and thousands dead, perhaps? And blame it on – wait for it! – Assad’s people. Yeah. That’ll get the plebes outraged. Sign here. Bombs away. First Syria, then Iran. WWIII.

Israeli Zionists wants their armageddon. And as usual, they’ll have someone else do the fighting for them…..

The warning about a major biochemical attack planned for within the US is the topic of this thread: Freemason Warns of BioChem Attack on US City (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62819-Freemason-Warns-of-BioChem-Attack-on-US-City)

Regards,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

So IMO.....WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!!! big card will be played soon.
Perhaps not :).

If you were playing poker with a man you knew to be a lying, cheating, murdering, scumbag ... would you call him out on dealing from the bottom of the deck ... if you didn't also have his hidden derringer and his two thugs behind him covered?

[Mitm]

FYI the group, Storm Clouds Gathering, that out out the infomration on you are talking about, later withdrew the video about those Britam Defense emails as they found out they were fake. They have a new video up on YouTube explaining about the retraction.

This is what SyrianCommando was warning about... deliberately leaking those fake emails to make the Syrian Electronic Army look bad... turns out what he said was true...

[treeman]

Credit where credit is due.
From The daily Paul -

Gregory: What does it make our country look like when the president wants to go to war but congress rejects his request?


Answer: A constitutional republic with separation of powers.

Thanks for the informative update Bill, about the attempted hack (under arm bowl - Chappell).

[gripreaper]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/08-2/Kerry%20Assad%20Waiter_0.jpg

Kerry to Assad: Where's the Ketchup?
Assad: There is no ketchup in Syria. Syrian's don't like ketchup.
Kerry: Look, my wife sells lots of Ketchup, so if you don't start using Ketchup then we are going to bomb the $hit out of you.
Assad: But what about the Natural Gas pipeline?
Kerry: Oh yea, I forgot. That's the reason we're going to bomb the crap out of you. My bad....


Don't overlook this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62873-Syria-and-the-Nabucco-Pipeline-Project-the-Bitter-Smell-of-War-for-Natural-Gas&p=723258#post723258

[SilentFeathers]

So IMO.....WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!!! big card will be played soon.
Perhaps not :).

If you were playing poker with a man you knew to be a lying, cheating, murdering, scumbag ... would you call him out on dealing from the bottom of the deck ... if you didn't also have his hidden derringer and his two thugs behind him covered?

I think Assad is holding a pair of aces and a pair of eights......

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Dead_man%27s_hand.jpg/300px-Dead_man%27s_hand.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for the informative update Bill, about the attempted hack (under arm bowl - Chappell).

Americans and Canadians can look the other way -- this is a cricketing metaphor.

My response: Sir Gary Sobers. :)

:focus:

[Andre]

Well as of a few days ago it looks like Obama has been left standing on his own after the British Parliament smacked Cameron on the hand and said "Bad boy!", thus derailing the British/U.S./Israeli plan to bomb the living daylights out of Syria and establish yet another puppet dictator and Rothschild Central Bank. Think of the graphic TV coverage of the explosions over Baghdad a not so very long ago and you'll get a mental picture of what they were planning - once again. How things have changed in that short time! This time, the U.S. or the U.K. have utterly failed to generate a "Coalition of the Willing", which even back then was a pathetic representation of global force that included only the British, U.S., Australian and Timbuktu. No, this time Obama was put out to dry, on his own, holding the bombs that he was told to unleash over Syria. No-one fell for the U.S. neo-con lies this time. They had to rapidly back peddle when it was blatantly obvious that no-one, except Cameron and a few other elite puppet loners, was falling for this one. The world is tired of U.S. perpetrated wars and the public has no stomach for it any longer. It will be interesting to see what they try next.

[SilentFeathers]

I wonder if this is true?


Putin to Send Delegation to Congress over Syria Crisis
Vladimir Putin backs idea proposed by Russian parliament to send a delegation to lobby U.S. Congress against a strike on Syria.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171552#.UiUtzjasiSp

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[Roisin]

Published on Jul 9, 2013
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, Mairead Maguire tells her account of her visit to Syria. While Maguire was in Syria she discovered that the people the U.S. are funding are violent groups and do not want peace in Syria. Her her view is that Syria is being used as a proxy war by the U.S., Great Britain, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

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update:

Open Letter by Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire to William Hague, British Foreign Minister, and Laurent Fabius, French Foreign Minister,

Arming rebels and authorizing military action by USA/NATO forces will not solve the problem facing Syria, but indeed could lead to the death of thousands of Syrians, the breaking-up of Syria, and it falling under the control of violent fundamentalist jihadist forces. It will mean the further fleeing of Syrians into surrounding countries which will themselves become destabilised. The entire Middle East will become unstable and violence will spiral out of control.

Contrary to some foreign governments current policies of arming the rebels and pushing for military intervention, the people of Syria are calling out for peace and reconciliation and a political solution to the crisis, which continues to be enflamed by outside forces with thousands of foreign fighters funded and supported by outside countries for their own political ends.

Having visited Syria in May, 2013, after leading a 16 person delegation I returned convinced that the civil community, with groups such as Mussalaha, who are working on the ground building peace and reconciliation, can solve their own problems if their plea for outsiders to remain out of the conflict is honoured by the international community.

During our visit we met with all sections of the community, most of whom are sick of violence and death and want peace and reconciliation and a political solution. We met with the Syrian Prime Minister and 7 other government ministers, and we were assured that the Government did not use sarin gas on its own people, and they invited the UN to send in inspectors to see what was happening.

Currently there is an International Commission of Inquiry on Chemical Weapons in Damascus staying at Four Seasons Hotel, which is less than ten minutes from the areas where the chemical weapons were allegedly used. The western media, particularly vocal being the British and French Foreign Ministers, are accusing President Assad of using chemical weapons on his own people but have no proof of this accusation, rather some things point to rebels as the ones who used such weapons.

The question must be asked, what would it benefit Assad to use sarin gas in the vicinity of visiting international UN inspectors and in his own environment and neighbourhood where it would affect his soldiers, etc., personally, I do not believe the latest accusations against the Assad government using sarin gas, and in order that the world can hear the truth, I would appeal to the International Commission of Inquiry to go into the areas in question immediately and report as quickly as possible. In the meantime I appeal to the Foreign Ministers of Britain and France to encourage, as the Syrian people wish, dialogue and negotiation as a way forward. We all remember the fear, panic and lies spun by the British and American governments, and others that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and it was not true. Let us learn the lesson of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya where so many millions have been killed in invasions and war, and many continue to die in violence. Violence is not the answer, let’s end this ‘war on terror’ and give nonviolence and peace a chance.

Mairead Maguire, Nobel peace laureate
www.peacepeople.com
info@peacepeople.com
PEACE PEOPLE, 224 Lisburn road, Belfast. Bt307NW. N. Ireland

http://www.globalresearch.ca/nobel-peace-laureate-say-no-to-the-war-on-syria/5347182

[ghostrider]

saudi arabia , america , and britan , supposedly funding the terrorist causing all the mischief in syria ... hmmmmmmmm listen to the 3 minute 25 second mark ...

[Eyes2theSkies]

There is no easy answer here. If we let the chemical attacks go unpunished we risk more attacks, and worse letting the "terrorists" know that we will back down even if they violate the Geneva convention. On the other hand, there will be those who are offended if America takes action, of it's own accord. However, I am reminded of WWII and how many hundreds of thousands of people died before we entered the war to try to make a difference!! Can't make that mistake again.

With Russian warships in the area, it sounds as though things are tense....at least that's what "they" want us to believe.

For now I am praying for the solution that involves the least amount of blood shed. We need to unite the world against evil, not just wage another war !!

[Kooqwena LittleOwl]

Thanks 4 posting this : )

[Kooqwena LittleOwl]

Funny but no other country attacked us when our gov used chemical weapons in Vietnam (agent orange) or left depleted uranium all over the middle east?? The hypocrisy of the corporate U.S. government is truly pathetic : (

[Tesseract]

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Don't expect the USA to be a beacon of peace any time soon.

[Operator]

Don't expect the USA to be a beacon of peace any time soon.

Well a dutch comedian had a clever answer to all this:

Instead of using tax-money for war and fundraisers for aiding countries we should swap those for a change ...

Use tax-money for aiding countries and fundraisers for war ... War would be over rather quickly!

[sygh]

So, I'm wondering if this is how they'll finally incite Americans into World War 3? Get us so emotionally riled up, just like the other wars..? Will our boys fall for it again? They know we're so sick and tired of all the G-D fighting and are refusing to get involved. The globalists are so damn greedy that they'll do anything to get WW3 started just so their bank accounts can start filing up again. Give me the g-damned proof! And NOT the word of a politician, or Shame Stream Medias or by a treasonous leader. I want the WORLD to show us the proof. They're the ones who've been maligned by the United Snakes govt and the rich bastards controlling it.

This infuriating article makes it sound like Obama really gives a care. (No, he don't want war). I don't believe it for a second judging from his actions of the past. This Nobel PEACE winner hasn't proven he's for peace at all. :tsk::tsk::tsk:

It goes to show you how shameless all of them have gotten....

I just hope ALL people will hold onto their patience and remain calm. And use their common sense before falling for all of these manipulations AGAIN....

I don't think our soldier boys and girls are gonna get to make that choice. If this happens, Obama is probably going to dump it in our laps, telling us it was impossible NOT to go in. He doesn't hear us - and he should have heard me, I yelled at him loud enough and long enough, along with everything else. I don't trust Kerry as far as my grandson could throw him in his sleep. Why was he ever made Secretary of State? Kerry was a creep in Viet Nam, he was only there just so he could say he was. He's a polit-lifer, or maybe that's a politifer. Whatever, Kerry's worse than a low down, good for nothing, flea bag of a egg suckin' dog (sorry Barky, didn't mean ta hurt your feelin's).

Bill asked someone what they thought was going to happen in another thread, well I've said it before - WAR, and we're well over our heads in it right now. Wars' not coming, wars' been here. Political war, war in the skies, war in the earth war on water, war on food, war for oil. War for the hell of it. It's all a matter of how much or, how little it directly affects you, isn't it? How many meals are you away from getting involved?

Look at the picture in this link. Yeah, Assad shook the hand of the hand that shook the hand of Gaddafi. Whatever, OMG there's your proof! Run away, run away! This sort of propaganda makes me want to puke!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-administration-presses-congress-reveals-syria-regime-sarin-gas-article-1.1443195

[Octavusprime]

I posted these two videos prior to the hacking.

BBC history on Syria. Good historical reference.

TqtCOxeGAHE

And an RT News take on the current situation:

To8MVbmyLYA

[eva08]

I really enjoy Jelaila's emails and here is her take on the Syria situation -- she channels the nibiruans:


Hey Eva,
War drums are sounding here in the USA.  Our leaders appear to be itching for another fight, this time with Syria.  Footage of dead children killed by toxic gas are splashed across the television screens almost nightly.  What's the purpose? What's really going on? 
I've been watching what is occurring, the play-by-play, so to speak, all the while waiting for the 9D Nibiruans to share their thoughts.  It finally occurred late this morning.  
A Big Graduation Test
The Nibiruans inform me that there is a higher purpose to this Syrian conflict; it is a big test in that we chose it long before we incarnated.  As I understand it, we did so in order to work through a dysfunctional belief that prevents us from being able to maintain peace.  More on that in a bit.
The Nibiruans remind me that we went through something similar over a decade ago.  Back in 2001 we experienced 9/11.  As I understand it, at the time the intention of the Powers that Be (PTB) was to take a huge leap forward in their plan to enslave humanity.  The next step was to create a war based on securing safety and that would require we give up all of our rights.  In addition, to ensure that safety we would be corralled in a frequency fence HAARP) that would control us emotionally.  With our emotions controlled and thoughts monitored, there would be little opportunity for terrorism.
Back then we were informed of these events ahead of time and did the work on both the inner and out planes.  Together we changed the timeline, creating the Compassion Grid in the process.  This grid gave us a way out of the frequency fence and altered the circumstances of the PTB's plans, creating years of delays.  (Full details in The Mission Remembered)  
It's 12 years later and the PTB has worked through all the delays and is ready to take us into a war that could well destroy us.  But thanks to all of our work, we are also standing at the brink of a new reality of peace and prosperity.  But before that new reality can fully manifest, we must cast off the shackles of that dysfunctional belief I alluded to earlier.  
The Nibiruans inform me that the Syrian conflict if not peacefully resolved, would pave the way for the biblical Armageddon.  Armageddon, they tell me is a repeat of an ancient series of events that led to the great galactic wars, wars that resulted in many destroyed homeworlds.   At the core of all these conflicts is the fear of not being able to get one's needs met.  the only way to do so is through bullying and manipulation.  In other words, we need to move beyond the fear by learning to ask for what we want and being willing to compromise.  Peace is sustained when everyone wins.
The Galactic Perspective
Our divine destiny is to be the peacekeepers of the galaxy, showing other races how to get their needs met without resorting to war.  As explained numerous times in past articles, the US respresents a microcosmic version of the galactic neighborhood.  The US is not only the melting pot of the world, but of the galactic neighborhood as well.  About 50% of all starseeds live there, and thus most galactic races are represented.   This is why the focal point is usually on the US. 
If the US can learn to negotiate and maintain peace over this current issue, it will have earned the right for a better future, not to mention help avoid further ecsalation towards Armageddon. 
We, who are lightworkers, gridworkers and starseeds, can also help.  We can help stop this conflict from escalating by continuing to work on the "Inner Planes" the origin or birthplace of anything and everything that becomes manifest. By doing our inner work, we remove anger, frustration, fear and all other negative energies from the mass consciousness. When this occurs it removes more of the fuel needed to manifest a war.  If you have forgotten how, below is an article written on how to alter a timeline via the Inner Realms.
Link:US Attacks: What we can do
http://preview.tinyurl.com/k3bdhy7 (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=FdWOx&m=3X0Sh9t6LTuCuHx&b=okdrgr_5VRYw0771buUtGA)
So what can you and I do right now, today, to help remove more of that war energy?  We can each look at our own personal worlds and work on issues involving fear and anger over not getting our needs met.  I am personally going through an issue of this nature right now and am using the Keys of Compassion to clear it.  Funny, I never thought that my personal issue was my part of clearing both a national and galactic one.  Yet, it make sense that we would each have one right now. 
In closing, we sit at the precipice of either a new reality of peace and prosperity, or a war that could destroy us.  We have proven to ourselves that we have the power to alter the future by doing the work.  How it ends is up to us. 
In service,
Jelaila Starr
The Nibiruan Council
www.NibiruanCouncil.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

[sygh]

And the nerve of Obama to say to the world, "I killed Osama Bin Laden!", like that was something to be proud of or write home about. I ate a piece of pie. Why don't he just wear a cowboy hat, call himself Elmer Gantry and paste a target on his back? Oh no, wait a minute, the targets are on our backs. Obama didn't "kill" Osama, he sent Seal Team 6 out to do it, he sent us out there. Where's my body guards, President Obama? Can I get ya anything else, sir? QA cup of tea? Some toast, perhaps. My life?

How 'bout we go and stir the pot in say... Egypt? What? Hillary has another aneurism? Is it syrial? What part of the brain was affected, her Iranian? Itr sure wasn't her mouth. "People are dead here, isn't that enough? What difference does it make how they died? Was the pressure of running guns into Syria just too much on the old girl? What a lying piece of... be nice. Why should I be nice to them? Why? I have to be nice to these lying, manipulating killers? No. I'll leave the nice to others. They won't get it from me any more. They must be eating the stupid GMOs cause their lies are so bad and poorly written, a kid could figure out what happens next. Maybe our next clue is in the up coming episode of Sponge Bob Square Pants. War comes to Hollywood, or is it the other way around?

And this is the only way it can be. Standard answer.

[ks4ever]

I'm not in favour of war or aggressian at any time, but as an ardent historian I have been following the situation on the ground in Syria from the very beginning.

Although Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire is obviously telling what she saw and heard, it seems to me that she has only been allowed to meet and see people who are telling the story from the regime's point of view.

The majority of fighters in the Free Syrian Army (F.S.A.) are not rebels but free citizens of Syria who have had enough of corruption, torture, rape, murder and now genocide, and consist mostly of people who are of the Sunni religion. But they also consist of Christians, Kurds and many other fighters from more than 70 different countries including the US and Britain. Most of these people are fighting for freedom and are not religious fanatics. Military Service was compulsary in Syria so all men over the age of eighteen had had some sort of military training. The Free Syrian Army today is made up of hundreds of different groups and numbers between 140,000-200,000 fighters. They have an airforce of 22 flyable arcraft including jets and two attack helicopters which are grounded at present due to the risk of being shot down by their own combatents. Unfortunately due to lack of support from western countries groups like Al-Qaida, ISIS and other radical islamist groups have taken advantage of the situation and infiltrated mostly behind the lines of major confrontation to fill the vacuum left and are not very popular with the locals as they attempt to enforce Sharia Law on the inhabitants. The leaders of the F.S.A. are saying for the moment they are on the same side, but once Assad has been overthrown they will deal with these groups.

Since Obama drew the red line in the sand on the use of chemical weapons six months ago, more than 50,000 non-combatents have been killed by indiscriminent shelling and bombing of residential areas by the Assad regime. The F.S.A. in most cases defend the people and don't fire missles or artillery on residential areas.

If you don't want Obama to support the rebels tell that to the victims that can be seen here http://www.fsaforwardsupport.com/ all victims of the ruthless regime of Assad, backed by Iran and Hezbollah.

The threat of taking action has already helped the F.S.A. with around 400 defections and much infighting going on, on the Assad side. Many more high ranking military personal and their families have left the country. A large number of Hezbollah fighters have returned to Lebanon. Weapons and personal have been moved from their safe bunkers and are now vulnerable to attack. There have been huge gains all over Syria in the past week, from Allepo to Damascas.

It is well past time that the free world took action to help the people of Syria to overthrow a ruthless regime, hellbent on retaining power no matter what the cost.

We are not talking about boots on the ground here, the F.S.A. have more than enough. They just need some help to destroy the remaining Syrian airforce which will considerably reduce the death toll and force the corrupt regime to the capitulation table.

[161803398]

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-syria-reader-part-2-william-polk/279255

Some interesting bits:

"A UN inspection team that visited the site of the massacre on Monday, August 26, almost 5 days after the event.

Why was the inspection so late? As a spokesman for UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon pointed out (Gareth Porter in IPS, August 27), the request to the Syrian government to authorize an inspection was not made until August 24 and was granted the next day. In any event, according to the spokesman, the delay was not of fundamental importance because “Sarin can be detected for up to months after its use.”

What was the American government position on inspection? Secretary of State John Kerry initially demanded that the Syrian government make access to the suspected site or sites possible. Then it charged that the Syrian government purposefully delayed permission so that such evidence as existed might be “corrupted” or destroyed. On the basis of this charge, he reversed his position and urged UN Secretary General Ban to stop the inquiry. According to The Wall Street Journal of August 26, Secretary Kerry told Mr. Ban that “the inspection mission was pointless and no longer safe…” To emphasize the American position, according to the same Wall Street Journal report,“Administration officials made clear Mr. Obama would make his decision based on the U.S. assessment and not the findings brought back by the U.N. inspectors.”

IPS’s Gareth Porter concluded after talks with chemical weapons experts and government officials that “The administration’s effort to discredit the investigation recalls the George W. Bush administration’s rejection of the position of U.N. inspectors in 2002 after they found no evidence of any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the administration’s refusal to give inspectors more time to fully rule out the existence of an active Iraqi WMD programme. In both cases, the administration had made up its mind to go to war and wanted no information that could contradict that policy to arise.” Is this a fair assessment?

Why was the first UN inspection so limited? The only publicly known reason is that it came under sniper fire while on the way to the first identified site. Who fired on it or for what reason are, as of this writing, unknown. The area was contested by one or more rebel groups and under only limited or sporadic control by the Syrian government. Indeed, as photographs published by The New York Times on August 29, show the UN inspectors in one area (Zamaka) guarded by armed men identified as “rebel fighters.” So the sniper could have been almost anyone.

How limited was the first phase of inspection? According to a report in The Guardian (Monday, August 26, 2013), the small team of UN Inspectors investigating the poison gas attack in Syria spent only an hour and a half at the site. So far, we have not been given any report by the UN team, but the doctor in charge of the local hospital was apparently surprised by how brief and limited was their investigation. According toThe Guardian reporter, he said,

"The committee did not visit any house in the district. We asked the committee to exhume the bodies for checking them. But they refused. They say that there was no need to do that.

'We had prepared samples for the committee from some bodies and video documentation. There were urine and blood samples as well as clothes. But they refused to take them.

'After an hour and a half, they got an order from the regime to leave ASAP. The security force told the committee if they did not leave now, they could not guarantee their security. They could not visit the main six sites where the chemical rockets had fallen and lots of people were killed.' "

Why did the investigators not do a more thorough job? The doctor at the site told the Guardian reporter that the Assad regime warned the investigators that they should leave because it could not guarantee their safety but the newspaper’s headline says that the Syrian government authorities ordered them out. Which is true? Is there another explanation? And why did the inspection team not have the means to retrieve parts of the delivery equipment, presumably rockets? Were they told by the UN or other authorities not to retrieve them or were they refused permission by the Syrian government? We simply do not know.

To say the least, the inspection was incomplete. The best that the State Department spokesman could say about such evidence as was gathered is that there is “’little doubt’ [Vice President Biden later raised the certainty from the same limited evidence to “no doubt”] that forces loyal to Mr. Assad were responsible for using the chemical weapons.” (“’Little Doubt’ Syria Gassed Opposition,” The Wall Street Journal,August 26, 2013).

Much was made of the belief that the gas had been delivered by rocket. However, as The New York Times correspondent Ben Hubbard reported (April 27, 2013) “”Near the attack sites, activists found spent rockets that appeared to have been homemade and suspected that they delivered the gas.” Would the regular army’s chemical warfare command have used “homemade” rockets? That report seemed to point to some faction within the opposition rather than to the government.

Several days into the crisis, we have been given a different source of information. This is from Israel. For many years, Israel is known to have directed a major communications effort against Syria. Its program, known as Unit 8200 is Mossad’s equivalent of NSA. It chose to share what it claimed was a key intercept with outsiders. First, a former officer told the German news magazine Focus (according to The Guardian,August 28, 2013) that Israel had intercepted a conversation between Syrian officers discussing the attack. The same Information was given to Israeli press (see “American Operation, Israeli Intelligence” in the August 27 Yediot Ahronoth,) It also shared this information with the American government. Three Israeli senior officers were reported to have been sent to Washington to brief NSC Director Susan Rice. What was said was picked up by some observers. Foreign Policy magazine reported (August 28, “Intercepted Calls Prove Syrian Army Used Nerve Gas, U.S. Spies Say”) that “in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus, an official at the Syrian Minister of Defense exchanged what Israeli intelligence described as “panicked phone calls” with a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answer for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people.”

But, as more information emerged, doubts began to be expressed. As Matt Apuzzo reported (AP, August 29, “AP sources: Intelligence on weapons no ‘slam dunk.’”), according to a senior US intelligence official, the intercept “discussing the strike was among low level staff, with no direct evidence tying the attack to an Assad insider or even a senior commander.” Reminding his readers of the famous saying by the then head of the CIA, George Tenet, in 2002 that the intelligence against Saddam Husain was “slam dunk,” when in fact it was completely erroneous, the AP correspondent warned that the Syrian attack of last week “could be tied to al-Qaida-backed rebels later.”

Two things should be borne in mind on these reports: the first is that Israel has had a long-standing goal of the break-up or weakening of Syria which is the last remaining firmly anti-Israeli Arab state. (the rationale behind this policy was laid out by Edward Luttwak in the OpEd section of the August 24, 2013 New York Times). It also explains why Israel actively had sought “regime change” in Iraq. The second consideration is that Israeli intelligence has also been known to fabricate intercepts as, for example, it did during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

So, unless or until more conclusive evidence is available, the request by Mr. Ban (“U.N. seeks more time for its inspectors,”International Herald Tribune, August 29, 2013) for more time appears to be prudent. Despite what Messrs Biden and Kerry have said, I believe a court would conclude that the case against the Syrian government was “not proven.”

[sdv]

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-syria-reader-part-2-william-polk/279255

Some interesting bits:

"A UN inspection team that visited the site of the massacre on Monday, August 26, almost 5 days after the event.

Why was the inspection so late? As a spokesman for UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon pointed out (Gareth Porter in IPS, August 27), the request to the Syrian government to authorize an inspection was not made until August 24 and was granted the next day. In any event, according to the spokesman, the delay was not of fundamental importance because “Sarin can be detected for up to months after its use.”



Two things to note here:

First. bureaucracy in Syria means that such a request would take ages to process. Considering that Syria is in the midst of a civil war, the request was granted very quickly.

Second, the statement about sarin gas being easily detected months after use is not true. Sarin decomposes and degrades very quickly. Also, the decomposed products are found in many other products and so there is no way to prove conclusively that sarin was used and it is a lie to say otherwise. Here's a very good summary of information about sarin:


http://brown-moses.blogspot.com/2013/08/chemical-weapon-specialists-talk-sarin.html

Here's a quote from this blog post (emphasis added):


A number of reports have claimed to have proven the use of sarin through tests on hair, clothing, blood, tissue, and urine samples.

I will address each of these types of samples in turn:

Blood:

Sarin can be directly and indirectly detected in blood samples. Several methods have been studied for detection of sarin in blood. Several studies have been described in the academic literature. There are also indirect methods that detect decomposition products of sarin or the physiological effects of sarin.
Experience from the Tokyo subway incident in 1995, documented by the OPCW shows that one of the decomposition products of Sarin is a chemical known as IMPA is detectable in blood.

Sarin’s method of action is to inhibit a substance called acetylcholinesterase, which is used by the human nervous system. At least one study shows that the presence of a nerve agent could be deduced by examining post-mortem blood samples for presence or lack of acetylcholinesterase, up to a week after death. A person who has died from Sarin exposure would have little or no acetylcholinesterase present. It should be noted that this would only indicate the presence of a nerve agent and would not specifically indicate Sarin versus any other nerve agent (or even organophosphate pesticide intoxication) nor would it conclusively indicate nerve agent as a cause of death, as other factors may have killed the victim, such as conventional trauma.

Urine

One of the decomposition products of Sarin in the human body is methylphosphonic acid. A study shows that this substance is detectable in urine by use of mass spectrometry. This particular substance is not specific to Sarin. (The journal article says it is a decomposition product of cyclosarin, Soman and one type of VX as well.) It should be noted that it can take some time for chemicals absorbed in the human body to end up in urine. An immediate post-exposure sample may not have any evidence of exposure.

Tissue

A study from 2004 using guinea pigs indicates that plasma, heart, liver, kidney, and lung samples can indicate the presence of either Sarin or Soman using gas chromatography and mass spectrometry.

Clothing, Skin, or Hair

Clothing, skin, or hair could get contaminated by droplets of Sarin. I cannot find any literature on the absorption of Sarin into human hair, but common sense would dictate that any water-like liquid could be trapped in hair. Because of the rapid speed at which Sarin evaporates, a sample would need to be collected quickly and kept in a sealed container. A lowered temperature would help. In such a case, the Sarin might actually be most easily identified in vapour form in the headspace of the container, having desorbed from the sample itself.

[sdv]

I'm not in favour of war or aggressian at any time, but as an ardent historian I have been following the situation on the ground in Syria from the very beginning.

It is well past time that the free world took action to help the people of Syria to overthrow a ruthless regime, hellbent on retaining power no matter what the cost.


I do not take sides in this war, but the Syrian people do have political options. Those whom you support in this war refused to take part in elections. It would have saved a lot of lives if the mighty West had supported Syria on the road to democracy rather than provide weapons and support to those who chose war rather than the ballot box.

I see it all over Africa ... the West provides guns instead of supporting voter education and debates on democracy, rights, constitution-making, the role of the judiciary, and so on.

[galilava]

Britain stepped back because Putin didn't...not out of respect of the public opinion. So will Usa

[avid]

http://urbansurvival.com/blog/2013/09/02/syria-is-it-really-a-gas-field-war/
George Ure has some very interesting reasoning behind what is happening. There seems to have been an F22 Raptor brought down with 4 Tomahawk missiles on board.
Was this why the President was late with his speech? Was someone using the latest Russian-supplied missile air-defences out there?


“The paper loss of U.S. forces to aircraft F-22 advanced north of Jordan, which hosts on its territory five F-22, was the main reason to postpone the process of aggression against Syria…”

He goes on to talk about the oil/gas wealth in the region. Of course it's all about grabbing resources - every war lately is about that.

[SilentFeathers]

Fanning the flames for sure....


Syria crisis: Israel confirm they have conducted a US-backed Mediterranean missile weapons test
With Assad calling the Middle East a 'barrel of powder' ready to explode, Russians raise alarm after detecting east-bound missiles launched from central part of the Mediterranean Sea
ADAM WITHNALL TUESDAY 03 SEPTEMBER 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-israel-confirm-they-have-conducted-a-usbacked-mediterranean-missile-weapons-test-8796221.html

Both Israel and the US are denying this test took place, but does it really matter?

[TargeT]

This is very comprehensive, as always, and needs to be here.



more insights ... on why this is all happening ...

Who Is Really Behind the Syrian War ?

from James Corbett...

"Given that the pretext for attacking Syria is falling apart before the public's eyes, why is the US preparing to wage war on that country? Who benefits from the ongoing destabilization of Assad's government? What will the Middle East look like if the Sunnis take over Syria? What is Israel's role in this? What do Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia have to gain from a war in Syria? And what does Bandar Bush have to do with all of this? Join us today on The Corbett Report as we discuss these and other pressing issues as the world stands on the brink of yet another US-led Middle Eastern military adventure."

Published on Aug 30, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdaExnIpGs

[Operator]

http://urbansurvival.com/blog/2013/09/02/syria-is-it-really-a-gas-field-war/
George Ure has some very interesting reasoning behind what is happening. There seems to have been an F22 Raptor brought down with 4 Tomahawk missiles on board.
Was this why the President was late with his speech? Was someone using the latest Russian-supplied missile air-defences out there?


“The paper loss of U.S. forces to aircraft F-22 advanced north of Jordan, which hosts on its territory five F-22, was the main reason to postpone the process of aggression against Syria…”

He goes on to talk about the oil/gas wealth in the region. Of course it's all about grabbing resources - every war lately is about that.

I see you have seen my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62541-THE-SYRIA-SITUATION-NEWS-UPDATES--merged-threads-&p=723622&viewfull=1#post723622).
That may be one of the surprises we get to see. And it may be the reason why some of the bigmouths are backing out ... ;):p

[TargeT]

Anonymous spammed the US ARMED FORCES friday...


here's what I got:


----- Original Message -----
From: operationserious@mailinator.com
[mailto:operationserious@mailinator.com]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 06:04 PM Coordinated Universal Time



Dear Member of the United States Armed Forces,


Certain elements are calling for an attack on Syria on the grounds of
suspected chemical weapons use. The reality is that the state-sponsored
terror campaign against Assad's government has not yielded the results that
these elements have hoped for and they now seek direct military intervention
to reach these goals. The supposed chemical weapon attack is merely a
pretext to justify this intervention. There is a possibility that you are
going to be involved in a military campaign against Syria and possibly Iran.



The overwhelming majority of American people strongly disagree with the idea
of going to war with Syria and/or Iran. Unfortunately, this issue is not
being put to a popular vote. In fact, it appears that the President is
seeking to launch this campaign without the approval of Congress. It is
clear that this administration is willing to act contrary to the wishes of
the American People. In this campaign, you would be working together with
and supporting Al-Qaeda affiliated groups, because these are the groups that
represent the opposition to Assad in Syria. Whether or not you will be
personally involved in this campaign, now is the time to voice your concerns
about going to war with Syria and/or Iran, if you see anything at all wrong
with this situation. You are in a position where you are likely going to
have to choose between going against the wishes of the government or going
against the wishes of the People.


Expect Us,
Anonymous.


IF YOU REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE, THE CONTENTS OF YOUR REPLY WILL BE PUBLIC.

[sygh]

I posted these two videos prior to the hacking.

BBC history on Syria. Good historical reference.

TqtCOxeGAHE

And an RT News take on the current situation:

To8MVbmyLYA

I thank you for these two well put together, well thought out videos, Octavusprime. They are so insightful, I felt like it was important to bump them up again.

I listened very carefully to both and must say - I was not totally aware of all of the unscrupulous, and convoluted underpinnings involved this Syrian uprising. I am so angry at our government right now. It is possible the ice will break under the weight of their out and out lies, regardless of the fact that they have our military worn out.

Time and time again we find our answers if we - follow the money. Unequivocally, I say NO, our weapons, bombs and people do not belong in Syria under these circumstances. I don't know that I would have come to the same conclusions, as to whether this was all about saving the Roman Empire as it was/is about saving the New World Order and Agenda 21 though.

[GaelVictor]

this post got lost after the hack but is now retrieved and i like to post this here where it belongs;

Date: Sat Aug 31 13:13:44 2013
Poster: Hatemachines
Thread Title: Re: Who else is Getting a bad feeling about the events in Syria ?


The refusal of Great Britain to attack Syria because there is no real evidence the Assad regime used chem.weapons is a big set back for the USA, and it's hidden hand allies Israel and Sunnite moslim states like Saoedi Arabia, Qatar etc.

There is a growing sense among civilians in Europe that the once valliant power of the USA have now been corrupted by greed for oil and hidden agenda's. After the lies Colin Powel told,so the Iraq invasion could take place, nobody here, including politicians, trusts the USA on their word alone, anymore.

USA is not going to (all out)war singlehanded in Syria, because that would be the end of all remaining goodwill it still has, and thus political suicide.
But i think they will try, by making small steps, and maybe some more convenient False Flag attacks, to get as many allies involved as possible to further their agenda towards regime change in Syria. And then the road to Iran will lay open.

[sygh]

Hatemachines,

Hopefully, not if we continue to expose them! Our strongest opposition comes in the form of passing out valid information, since the mainstream media refuses to cover it. I'm also in favor of ridding ourselves of Agenda 21 and its off-shoots, Obama Care through the defunding process and Monsanto (God knows how we'll rid ourselves of that genetic monster!). Of course, a lot of people will need to call and email their congressional representatives as often as possible, sort of like flies on carrion - but it will probably take a lot more fervor than that. Since 9-11-01, we've voiced our suspicions and tried to unite under scientific proof of the impossibility of the both twin towers turning to dust before our very eyes (not to mention Building #7). And, in my heart and mind, I know the massive animal die-offs are related to the never ending "War on Terror", though I can't pinpoint how or who (HAARP and photonics - us or them). But allow me to add - in this regard, we are our own worst enemies because not all the animal die-offs can be attributed to HAARP or war.

Yup, what a mess. This war we find ourselves in is stealth and so very ugly. It reminds me of the "War of the Worlds", is it? Is this for the all or nothing? One thing is for sure, we can't stand on the side-lines, nor pivot on the fence.

I don't know what I'm thinking here, I've said it before and nothing has changed, I'm just not thinking clearly... this is WWIII, we've been fighting it for years. The media doesn't call it WWIII but it is. Our media hides all sorts of news. They are extremely manipulative. I think our government needs to go. There are circumstances that hold us back from rebelling that were planned to keep us in check. The most potent of all is the fact that we have our first man of color in office. Further, our boarders are purposely not protected from illegal aliens. If we raise a stink, it could set off a race war, as well as further erode our already fragile infrastructure. The puppeteers are counting on this. The federal Reserve has a strangle hold around our necks, as the IMF and World Bank attempt to hold the world for ransom. Obama is more of a puppet than he thinks he is. And I can't believe McCain is for any of this. The man doesn't seem to be himself at all. I don't know if we can pull everyone together but this is the crucial time to try.

[SilentFeathers]

More double talk jibberish.....now they're saying they did do a missile test........BUT, it has nothing to do with Syria!

This is so ridiculous I don't know how any one can believe this crap or support a strike against Syria.

The speaker of the house just announced he'll support Obama with this strike.

Obama just may pull off the biggest political move of his presidency, which is to unite both sides of the isle to get just enough votes to do this strike against Syria with congressional approval! He will be a political hero to some.

It's all starting to fall right in to place........this is beyond bizarre!

This is not good!




Fanning the flames for sure....


Syria crisis: Israel confirm they have conducted a US-backed Mediterranean missile weapons test
With Assad calling the Middle East a 'barrel of powder' ready to explode, Russians raise alarm after detecting east-bound missiles launched from central part of the Mediterranean Sea
ADAM WITHNALL TUESDAY 03 SEPTEMBER 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-israel-confirm-they-have-conducted-a-usbacked-mediterranean-missile-weapons-test-8796221.html

Both Israel and the US are denying this test took place, but does it really matter?

PS: There will be no need for a false flag event if Obama can get congressional approval to strike Syria....

[cursichella1]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-britain-sold-nerve-gas-2242520

This could simply be a fake "oops" by Britain on behalf of the U.S., in order to "prove" that the recipient of the chemicals was Assad.


REUTERS/Nour Fourat

By Russell Findlay | 1 Sep 2013 07:21

BRITAIN allowed firms to sell chemicals to Syria capable of being used to make nerve gas, the Sunday Mail can reveal today.

Export licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride were granted months after the bloody civil war in the Middle East

The chemical is capable of being used to make weapons such as sarin, thought to be the nerve gas used in the attack on a...

[Harley]

03 SEP 13

They've now sent Carrier Nimitz and it's Battle Group to the Red Sea.

The Battle Group includes the Cruiser Princeton and the Destroyers Shoup, Stockdale, and Lawrence.

Military (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/03/nimitz-sails-to-red-sea-as-hearings-start-on-syria.html?ESRC=eb.nl)

* * * * *

Syrian Strike Leaders Will Be:

Navy Admiral Bruce W. Clingan, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa.

Army General Lloyd J. Austin III, U.S Central Command.

DOD Buzz (http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/08/31/syrian-strike-would-be-led-by-pilot-and-silver-star-recipient/)

[Calz]

PS: There will be no need for a false flag event if Obama can get congressional approval to strike Syria....


Dog and pony show for the congress critters ...

Here is the house guestimate so far (before the bought and paid for sessions begin) ... won't bother with the senate cuz they have been assimilated.

Lest we not forget ... there seems to be a not so subtle hint that O'bummer will proceed regardless ... some covering ass going on rather than anything significant (hats off to the Brits tho :yo: )

BTW - anyone remember that the American public called in with 98% voting no for the bankster bailout and congress at first voted it down ... until the cabal armtwisting began in earnest and the soon to follow 2nd vote did the dirty deal.

Who do the congress critters serve???

... please ...

___________________


U.S. House: How they'll vote on Syria strike

updated 11:30 AM EDT, Tue Sept 3, 2013

President Obama said on August 31 that he will ask Congress to vote to authorize a military strike against Syria for using chemical weapons against its own people. CNN is counting votes on which way the House and Senate might go. Below is our latest tally. CNN will be updating the count three times a day as opinions change or solidify. See how the Senate will vote »

Overview:

24 Yes votes (18 Democrats, 6 Republicans)
57 No votes (41 Republicans, 16 Democrats)

248 Undecided (128 Democrats, 120 Republicans)
105 Unknown (66 Republicans, 39 Democrats)


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/...html?hpt=hp_t1

[SilentFeathers]

It's almost starting to look like Obama may actually get the votes he needs to do this, top republican leaders are siding with Obama to some extent.

If this is the case a false flag may actually happen in or around London etc to get the Brit's back on board with this insane war.

Just a thought.....

republican, democrat...blah blah blah.....yes it's all a joke but they got to try to make it look real to convince many of the numbed zombies that they are doing the right thing.

[GaelVictor]

Syrian ambassador in Moskow, Riyadh Haddad says that Russians have proof that rebels used chemical weapons on the 21 august at the eastern suburbs of Damascus.
He says he was shown proof of this act by the Kremlin in the form of foto's and other material which show the place and time of the launching of chemical weapons. Indicating that the rebel forces,
and not government troops, were responsible for the attack.


http://pda.itar-tass.com/en/c32/862251.html

[TargeT]

This has kept me very busy at work today.....



'Syrian Electronic Army' hacks Marines website

Pro-Assad computer hackers today broke into the Marine Corps recruiting website, redirecting visitors to a screed that called President Barack Obama "a traitor who wants to put your lives in danger to rescue al- Qaida insurgents."

A Marine Corps spokesman confirmed that the site, marines.com, was tampered with and redirected temporarily, but no information was put at risk.

Capt. Eric Flanagan wouldn't say who was responsible for the hacking, but the site was redirected to a message from the Syrian Electronic Army, a hacker group that's claimed responsibility for disrupting the New York Times website, Twitter and other media sites the group sees as sympathetic to Syria's rebels.



The message to the Marine Corps was a plea for Americans to fight alongside the Syrian army and not aide the rebels.

President Barack Obama is seeking congressional approval for U.S. military intervention in Syria in response to the suspected August chemical weapons attack on Syrian rebels who are trying to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad from power.

The full message as it appeared on the redirected site is below:

This is a message written by your brothers in the Syrian Army, who have been fighting al-Qaida for the last 3 years. We understand your patriotism and love for your country so please understand our love for ours. Obama is a traitor who wants to put your lives in danger to rescue al- Qaida insurgents.

Marines, please take a look at what your comrades think about Obama's alliance with al-Qaida against Syria. Your officer in charge probably has no qualms about sending you to die against soldiers just like you, fighting a vile common enemy. The Syrian army should be your ally not your enemy.

Refuse your orders and concentrate on the real reason every soldier joins their military, to defend their homeland. You're more than welcome to fight alongside our army rather than against it.

Your brothers, the Syrian army soldiers. A message delivered by the SEA"


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/syrian_electronic_army_hacks_marines_54iM0wfTXtgjAADXQbN4CM

[SilentFeathers]

We can all speculate as to what MAY happen, which I myself am doing.....but none of us can really deny that something big is going on and regardless of what it may actually be, it WILL NOT be uneventful.

[Prodigal Son]

I had posted this in a different thread prior to the hack, but since they all seem to be merged now I'd like to repost something I posted that had gotten lost... (thanks Paul!)

Date: Sat Aug 31 08:30:48 2013
Poster: Prodigal Son
Thread Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry August 30 2013-Very Important! (Syria; Chemical Weapons)
Post:

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_31/USs-Kerry-caught-using-fake-photos-to-fuel-Syrian-conflict-6127/

US's Kerry caught using fake photos to fuel Syrian conflict

http://m.ruvr.ru/2013/08/31/1202297676/43h_50923774.jpg

Secretary of State John Kerry opened his speech Friday by describing the horrors victims of the chemical weapon attack had suffered, including twitching, spasms and difficulty breathing. Attempting to drive the point home, Kerry referenced a photograph used by the BBC, illustrating a child jumping over hundreds of dead bodies covered in white shrouds. The Secretary of State forgot to mention, however, that this photo was taken during US intervention in Iraq back in 2003.

The photo which was later retracted was meant to depict victims who allegedly succumbed to the effects of chemical weapons launched by Assads regime.

However, it was later exposed that the photograph used had been taken in 2003 in Iraq.

The Secretary of State announced the US will continue negotiations with Congress and the American people.

The decision came after the UK Parliament voted against military action in Syria on Thursday evening, refusing to accompany the US in a missile strike against the Middle Eastern nation.

Germany also voiced opposition to a Syrian military intervention saying they have not considered it and will not be considering it.

France, however, released statements saying they intend to act alongside the US in an attempt to punish Syria for the alleged chemical weapons attack.

Despite numerous allies refusal to get involved, Kerry argued Many friends stand ready to respond.

Kerry alleged that not just one, but several chemical weapon attacks have occurred. The attack last week in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta killed 1,429 Syrians, including 426 children. However, Infowars reveals that the international aid group, Doctors Without Borders, reported 355 people were killed in the attack last week, not the wildly exaggerated figure cited by Kerry.

The Secretary of State said the US government has high confidence Assad carried out the attack, affirming military intervention would be common sense.

He referred to the attack as an indiscriminate, inconceivable and horrific act, claiming a Syrian senior regime official admitted responsibility. However, he offered no hard evidence backing this claim.

Any US action in Syria will be a limited and politically tailored response - Kerry

On Friday Secretary of State Kerry claimed that US intelligence concluded the Assad government is responsible for the chemical attack in Damascus on August 21. Kerry said that the evidence the US has is "clear and compelling" but did not offer and proof. Kerry also added that any action that Barack Obama might decide to take will be limited. "We know there is no ultimate military solution. It has to be political," Kerry said.

According to Kerry, the US knows "where the rockets were launched from and at what time. ... We know where they landed and when."

Kerry claims that 1,429 people were killed in the attack, including 426 children, and said the assessment was based on "multiple" streams of intelligence.

The Assad regime has consistently denied it was responsible.

"Our intelligence community has carefully reviewed and re-reviewed information regarding this attack," Kerry said, referring to last week's alleged chemical strike outside Damascus."It's done so more than mindful of the Iraq experience. We will not repeat that moment."

As Kerry spoke, the White House sent reporters a "unclassified" summary of the US intelligence community's "assessment of the Syrian government's use of chemical weapons on Aug. 21, 2013."

It says, in part that:

"The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013."

"A preliminary U.S. government assessment determined that 1,429 people were killed in the chemical weapons attack, including at least 426 children, though this assessment will certainly evolve as we obtain more information."

"We have intelligence that leads us to assess that Syrian chemical weapons personnel including personnel assessed to be associated with the SSRC were preparing chemical munitions prior to the attack."

"Satellite detections corroborate that attacks from a regime-controlled area struck neighborhoods where the chemical attacks reportedly occurred including Kafr Batna, Jawbar, 'Ayn Tarma, Darayya, and Mu'addamiyah."

Voice of Russia, Infowars

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_31/USs-Kerry-caught-using-fake-photos-to-fuel-Syrian-conflict-6127/

[gardunk]

ACT with INTEGRITY and Pray for Peace!

[dianna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_BhXM26UA

[MorningSong]

Just putting this post back out there...one of the lost 31 Aug posts and... what with all the threads dumped into one, I don't know where else to put it now...but that's ok.

Sorry if someone else has posted this somewhere earlier:


Date: Fri Aug 30 17:02:38 2013
Poster: MorningSong
Thread Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry August 30 2013-Very Important! (Syria; Chemical Weapons)
Post:

For Dave et al:


Most in U.S. still oppose Syria strike as Obama seeks action

By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON | Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:10pm EDT

(Reuters) - Most Americans still do not want to intervene in Syria's civil war, although support for such action has increased since the suspected chemical gas attack near Damascus last week, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The poll made clear how much work President Barack Obama has to do to win support for military action from a war-weary public as he makes the case that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad should be held responsible for the attack that the United States says killed more than 1,400 people.

Some 53 percent of those surveyed this week said the United States should stay out of Syria's civil war, down from 60 percent last week. Just 20 percent said the United States should take action, but that was up from 9 percent last week.

When asked whether the United States should intervene if Assad's government used chemical weapons on civilians, 29 percent of Americans said yes - up from 25 percent last week - while 44 percent opposed intervention even if chemicals have been used, down from 46 percent last week.

Support for U.S. involvement is not likely to climb much higher before any military action because most Americans are now fully aware of the situation in Syria and likely have made up their minds about it, Ipsos pollster Julia Clark said.

The Reuters/Ipsos online poll of 708 adult Americans was conducted Monday through Friday this week. It has a credibility interval, similar to a margin of error, of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points for each result.

Obama's administration has made clear that it will punish Assad for the attack, even as prominent allies such as Great Britain have resisted participation in any military operation.

But many Americans remain deeply reluctant to engage in further conflicts after more than a decade of expensive and inconclusive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Every time we get involved in somebody else's mess, we just get deeper in debt and nothing happens. They go right back to being just exactly as they've been for 200 years," said Dolly Benson, 71, of Romance, Arkansas.

The Obama administration says any strike would be limited in scope and would not in any way resemble the U.S. invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq.

"We know that after a decade of conflict, the American people are tired of war. Believe me, I am, too," U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Friday. "But fatigue does not absolve us of our responsibility. Just longing for peace does not necessarily bring it about."

The poll was taken before Secretary of State John Kerry released on Friday an unclassified intelligence report that he said presented detailed evidence that Assad's forces were behind the attack.

Those surveyed in the poll were more likely to support action when they were specifically asked about chemical weapons, which are outlawed under international treaty. Obama has made limiting the spread of chemical, nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction a cornerstone of his foreign policy.

Even those who supported a U.S. intervention said they were worried that military action could further inflame a volatile region and expose the United States and its allies to a range of risks, including retaliation from Syria or its allies.

"It's a slippery slope; we have to tread lightly," said Baruch Jabbarr, 60, of Brooklyn, New York. "But I'm all for intervention because something has to be done."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/30/us-syria-crisis-usa-poll-idUSBRE97T0UO20130830

[Harley]

PS: There will be no need for a false flag event if Obama can get congressional approval to strike Syria....

Since Britain voted down participation and there is little support from the rest of the world, it makes it more likely.

Initial US strike will be unmanned (missiles, etc).

Rebels and other factions won't be happy with this because they want more.

You can almost count on a large False Flag to bring the Western Alliance in.

[Octavusprime]

This war seems to be the same old song and dance... Along with influence over the middle east, the US wants to disrupt and control natural gas and oil flow. Currently our ally Turkey is a big player for natural gas and had plans to build a pipeline to move into the European market. A deal made in 2010 with Iraq, Iran and Syria to build a large pipeline to move natural gas to europe would drastically cut into Turkeys profits. Follow the $$$! Also we know that the US will do anything in it's power to cripple Iran...

What I'm trying to understand though is why Russia would back a deal that would take away Russias strangle hold it has on Europes Natural gas market? It may just be that it has to protect the few allies it has in the area, like Iran and Syria. Not letting the US "capture" another Middle Eastern country is worth its weight in gold or should I say weight in gas.

It makes sense that Britain is staying out of the war. They need natural gas and currently Russia is their provider. They don't want Russia to increase the cost of this needed energy. Also they probably don't care if Syria or Turkey builds a pipeline as long as they get another supplier of natural gas so that Russia has less of an influence on them.

Just some thoughts...

[cursichella1]

How Intelligence Was Twisted to Support an Attack on Syria
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

Distorted "intelligence findings"...

[GaelVictor]

BAKU, September 3 - The Caucasian Muslims Board has voiced its stance against the U.S. military interference in Syria’s affairs;

“The Syrian land was an area where representatives of different religions lived and created a rich spiritual heritage. The destruction of shrines on this land, including Islamic sacred places, and the extermination of people caused anguish and arouse irritation. These events cannot be justified. We insist real guilty parties be found and punished,” the statement says.
“It is unacceptable to punish innocent people under the pretence of killing those who commit crimes against mankind. No state can build a democratic society on the bayonet’s edge as no people can be happy through aggression and outside interference. The world can see these examples in Afghanistan and Iraq,” the statement says.
The document says the U.S. Congress will not authorize the military operation in Syria. “This will increase the prestige of the U.S. itself and save the planet,” the statement says.
It urges the world community and religious figures to exert effort aimed at ceasing the bloody conflict in Syria as soon as possible and resolving the crisis by dialogue.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

LONDON, September 3 - Britain and Russia call for resolving the Syrian crisis by political means and convening the Geneva-2 conference, Foreign Secretary William Hague said on Tuesday.

Britain does not give up an idea of holding the international conference on Syria, Hague said, adding that Britain’s foreign partners, including Russia, backed this position.
At the same time, the British foreign secretary said the world community’s efforts were insufficient to create conditions for convening the conference on Syria.
In order to organise the forum, real efforts should be exerted, Hague said.
Earlier in the day, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, “There is no alternative to political resolution on Syria.”

[Prodigal Son]

Obama didn't "kill" Osama, he sent Seal Team 6 out to do it, he sent us out there.

"Osama" has been dead since 2001.... most likely from lung disease in December. Other military insiders say he died in May of that year. That is, if he wasn't in fact an American CIA operative named Tim Osman according to ex-CIA boss Ted Gunderson.

It was a forgone conclusion we would never see the dead body of the "world's most wanted man"...

...what a charade.

[Prodigal Son]

Don't know if this has been posted yet... just came across this:

U.S. FRAMED SYRIA IN CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACK AS CASUS BELLI

http://worldpeaceassociation.com/2013/08/27/u-s-framed-syria-in-chemical-weapons-attack-as-casus-belli/

[Mutchie]

So the whole war on terror could of been a false flag we have been used and misled from the start and now they are finding it harder to pull the wool over our eyes - no one believes the USA when it says it has evidence proving that Assad was behind the attacks !!! IM SO GLAD WE THE UK STAYED OUT OF IT !!!;)

[Tesseract]

This has kept me very busy at work today.....




What's your work?

[cursichella1]

Ron Paul interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on CNN regarding Syria. Conveniently, the satellite goes out as Paul gets warmed up.

Pretty blatant censorship following Wolf's deprecating attempts, for example, subtly implying that Ron Paul isn't a bipartisan kind of guy...watch the language Wolfe uses: "...Congress, of which YOU ARE NO LONGER A MEMBER..." (paraphrasing, but very close!) and "You're not blaming the civil war on the U.S...?!" (In other words, "you ARE blaming...) , which Paul can't respond to because the satellite has gone out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0W1nxFciq-A

[GaelVictor]

VIENNA, September 3 - Russia’s General Staff Chief and First Deputy Defence Minister Valery Gerasimov has postponed his scheduled working visit to Austria. “It was a forced decision,” Russian Ambassador to Austria, Sergei Nechayev, said on Tuesday.

“It is not meant against Austria,” he said at a ceremony of awarding Russian defence ministry’s medals to Austrian citizens. “The visit has not been cancelled, it was postponed and will take place without fail.”
The medals to Austrian citizens who did much to perpetuate the memory of Soviet soldiers who died during WWII were to have been awarded by the Russian Chief of the General Staff.
According to earlier reports, the central command of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces was put on alert after Israel and the United States had staged missile tests in the Mediterranean Sea.

[GaelVictor]

Mideast made narrow escape from major war Tuesday.

Launching of two ballistic missiles in the Mediterranean water area testifies to the ongoing U.S. preparations for air strikes against Syria, a top-rank Russian military expert said in an exclusive interview tuesday night;

The U.S. and Israel actually wanted to watch the reaction to the launch on the part of Russia, China and Iran, said Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, Ret. From 1996 through to 2001, Gen Ivashov was chief of the Russian Defense Ministry’s Main Department for International Defense Cooperation. He is President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems at present.
He believes that the missiles were launched for the purposes of reconnaissance.
“The thing is ballistic missiles won’t be used if the U.S. and their allies begin an intervention in Syria,” Gen Ivashov said. “While a cruise missile can hit directly not only the target as such but even a separate element of it, a ballistic missile very definitely won’t hit the target due to the impact dispersal effect. Hence it’s inefficient for the purpose.”
“Those who launched the two ballistic missiles towards Syria obviously hoped Iran would consider this launch as an attack on Damascus, its ally,” Gen Ivashov went on. “The Pentagon clearly wanted to see if the Iranians would respond to this by delivering a ballistic missile strike at Israel.”
“The provocation would have thus played into Binyamin Netanyahu’s hands and would have helped him to convince his nation Israel should throw its shoulder into a joint aerospace operation conducted by the U.S., Turkey and Saudi Arabia against Syria,” he said.
“Had Iran responded to the challenge, the U.S. would have gotten weighty reasons for attacking Syria by way of support for Israel as its ally, since Barack Obama still doesn’t have congressional support for an operation against the Syrian government either among the rank-and-file Americans or in Congress. In the meantime, the necessity of defending Israel would offer an important argument for shaping up public opinion in favor of ousting the Bashar al-Assad regime.”
“From the angle of view of military strategy, the launch of ballistic missiles compels Syria and Iran to bring into full-scale action all the tracking systems they have,” Gen Ivashov said. “Air defense systems, too, start reacting to missile launches.”
“When this happens, the U.S. warships, aircraft, and ground-based tracking systems immediately do the computerized identification of all the locations in Syria and Iran where combat operations control is exercised from - their working frequencies, the places where radar stations are deployed, their coordinates, technical characteristics, and so on.”
“Right after that, radio-electronic jamming of the enemy’s combat control networks goes into action. It is followed by string missile strikes, with the data on location of the enemy’s control and command systems loaded into the programs.”
“As a result, the Syrian and Iranian Armed Forces should lose control and coordination and lose the war eventually,” Gen Ivashov said.
This is a technological side of the provocation but there is a political side to the missile launch, too.
“Israel is demonstrating blatant disregard for the norms of international law,” Gen Ivashov said. “The Israeli Defense Ministry did not issue a warning to the countries, the ships of which were cruising in the Mediterranean at the moment. More than that, Israel has a bigger arsenal of nukes than France although it is not a member of the world nuclear club.”
“Nonetheless, Israeli government was prepared to set the machine of a major war in the Middle East into motion Tuesday - with support from the Pentagon,” he said.
Another Russian military expert commented earlier this year on the role that an element of spontaneity may play in triggering a large-scale armed conflict.
Major-General Pavel Zolotaryov, Ret., a deputy director of the Moscow-based Institute for the U.S. and Canada Studies made the comment in spring 2013 with regard to the crisis on the Korean Peninsula. “The Korean crisis may pose a danger to the world due a possibility of haphazard developments,” he said.
“When two countries, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and the Republic of Korea keep their Armed Forces in a huge tension, a factor of spontaneity can play a very bad role,” Gen Zolotaryov said. “Suppose someone has a nervous breakdown and fires a shot and then unpredictable developments start snowballing.”
A risk of a chain of haphazard events is looming in the situation around Syria, too.

[Muzz]

This is an interesting interview with Assad. One thing I have noticed about this war build up is that we have seen and heard very little of him in the western media. Not so easy to paint him as the lunatic despot like Sadam when you don't have pictures of him waving guns around in front of a crowd.

http://www.voltairenet.org/local/cache-vignettes/L400xH265/1-3933-c610c-2-390e2.jpg

Izvestia: Mr President, the most pressing question today is the current situation in Syria. What parts of the country remain under the rebels’ control?

Bashar al-Assad: From our perspective, it’s not a matter of labelling areas as controlled by terrorists or by the government; we are not dealing with a conventional occupation to allow us to contextualise it in this manner. We are fighting terrorists infiltrating particular regions, towns or peripheral city areas. They wreak havoc, vandalise, destroy infrastructure and kill innocent civilians simply because they denounce them. The army mobilises into these areas with the security forces and law enforcement agencies to eradicate the terrorists, those who survive relocate to other areas. Therefore, the essence of our action is striking terrorism.

Our challenge, which has protracted the situation, is the influx of large amounts of terrorists from other countries - estimated in the tens of thousands at the very least. As long as they continue to receive financial and military aid, we will continue to strike them. I can confirm that there has not been any instance where the Syrian Army has planned to enter a particular location and has not succeeded in eliminating the terrorists within it.

The majority of those we are fighting are Takfiris, who adopt the al-Qaeda doctrine, in addition to a small number of outlaws, so as I said this not about who controls more areas of land. Wherever terrorism strikes, we shall strike back.

Izvestia: Yet, Western mainstream media claim that the terrorists control 40% to 70% of Syrian territory; what is the reality?

Bashar al-Assad: There isn’t an army in the world that can be present with its armament in every corner of any given country. The terrorists exploit this, and violate areas where the army is not present. They escape from one area to another, and we continue to eradicate them from these areas with great success. Therefore, I reiterate, the issue is not the size of the territories they infiltrate but the large influx of terrorists coming from abroad.

The more significant criterion to evaluate success is - has the Syrian Army been able to enter any area infiltrated by terrorists and defeat them? Most certainly the answer is yes; the army has always succeeded in this and continues to do so. However, this takes time because these types of wars do not end suddenly, they protract for prolonged periods and as such carry a heavy price. Even when we have eradicated all the terrorists, we will have paid a hefty price.
Read more here -
Bashar al-Assad interview with Izvestia (http://www.voltairenet.org/article179932.html)

[Octavusprime]

Seriously though, how the fu$& do we demand other countries to follow international laws as self proclaimed enforcers if we don't hold ourselves to the same standards? Our government does whatever it wants with no fear of repercussions and it pisses me off... So much for leading by example.

[ThePythonicCow]

A good post from Martin Armstrong on the Syrian situation, from John Bolton v Lindsey Graham (ArmstrongEconomics.com) (http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/09/03/john-bolton-v-lindsey-graham/)






There is absolutely less evidence to support an attack upon Syria than there was for Iraq. At least Iraq invaded another country. The former US Ambassador John Bolton (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/john-bolton-syria-vote-96195.html) came out and stated if he was a member of Congress he would vote NO. Meanwhile, the alleged closet homosexual who rumors on the Hill state he flies monthly for sex-junkets to Paris, Lindsey Graham, argues we should go in because we may signal to Iran we have no balls.

http://i1.wp.com/armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mccain-graham.jpg

Lindsey himself doesn’t have to the balls to come out of the closet fearing he will get thrown out yet this is the guy who saw no problem voting to deny lawyers and trials to American citizens if the government assumes anything about you. He said on the floor, if you ask for a lawyer, they will say “shut up”. A nasty individual not worth even being called an American since he has betrayed innocent until proven guilty and Due Process based upon the Bible where God gave Cain the opportunity to be heard even though he already knew he had killed his brother. To Graham, there is nothing among our principles in America that is worth saving. What he has done to the American people is far worse than gas attacks on 1400 people. He violated the rights of ALL Americans and changed our very way of life. The people he advocates to risk their lives for the Constitution do not realize Lindsey denies the very principles people think they are defending. And John McCain, another loyal warmonger, will invade anyone who disagrees with him. Perhaps he was held as a prisoner of war too long and just want to get even with the world.

http://i1.wp.com/armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Rumsfeld-Donald.jpg?resize=584%2C403
Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/08/donald-rumsfeld-doesnt-think-syria-strike-justified/68843/) doesn’t support a military intervention in Syria. This is the guy who they say was at the heart of 911. Something is just not right. There are far too many people against this strike unlike that with Iraq.

There is only one issue here. These people need a diversion. We have the Debt Ceiling issue and Boehner cannot deliver the Republican Party to cut his back-room deals as usual. The best thing – kill thousands of people so he can force the conservatives to support the war and allow the debt ceiling to expand. Then there is the Fed. With a war, they will have to keep interest rates low and screw the pension funds as QE continues forever.

These people never think about the risks of the future. It is always what do I need to avoid this here and now. I will worry about the fallout later. Interest rates will have to rise sharply because these people have no desire to reform or fix the economy. Their solution – raise more taxes. Even John McCain voted to tax the internet sales (http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/06/04/12115/) of everything. Great Republican by the way. Lower taxes for friends only who pay for their campaigns.

[ThePythonicCow]

Seriously though, how the fu$& do we demand other countries to follow international laws as self proclaimed enforcers if we don't hold ourselves to the same standards?
Easy - bigger guns :).

[Dennis Leahy]

New video from StormCloudsGathering:

("must see", but more importantly, must spread)

Please watch this, and share this. I recommend also sending a link to this video, to a few people via email.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

Thanks!

Dennis

[superconsciousness]

A good post from Martin Armstrong on the Syrian situation, from John Bolton v Lindsey Graham (ArmstrongEconomics.com) (http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/09/03/john-bolton-v-lindsey-graham/)






There is absolutely less evidence to support an attack upon Syria than there was for Iraq. At least Iraq invaded another country. The former US Ambassador John Bolton (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/john-bolton-syria-vote-96195.html) came out and stated if he was a member of Congress he would vote NO.

http://i1.wp.com/armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mccain-graham.jpg



http://i1.wp.com/armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Rumsfeld-Donald.jpg?resize=584%2C403
Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/08/donald-rumsfeld-doesnt-think-syria-strike-justified/68843/) doesn’t support a military intervention in Syria. This is the guy who they say was at the heart of 911. Something is just not right. There are far too many people against this strike unlike that with Iraq.

There is only one issue here. These people need a diversion. We have the Debt Ceiling issue and Boehner cannot deliver the Republican Party to cut his back-room deals as usual. The best thing – kill thousands of people so he can force the conservatives to support the war and allow the debt ceiling to expand. Then there is the Fed. With a war, they will have to keep interest rates low and screw the pension funds as QE continues forever.
.

a very important point here is that no one is as they are quite portrayed. if we can tune into truth, what do we see? chaos.
but chaos is as the mists. the matter is malleable for the making. what can stop this horrible theater production? you know they call war "theater". theater of death and suffering by unto all parties. pride based on foolishness and the archons feed.

[norman]

John Kerry and Bashar al-Assad ( and their wives ) having dinner together.... WTF !

http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/09/kerrydinner.jpg

[araucaria]

The situation is certainly chaotic, with Congress voting in the US against the popular will, while here in France, there is a 74% majority wanting a parliamentary debate sanctioned by a vote, which we may not get. It is not constitutionally necessary and the vote has actually been made harder by legislation brought in by the now opposition calling for a vote. On the other hand it can be arranged, and will probably have to, as President Hollande cannot be seen as less democratic than his Anglo-Saxon allies.

Le Canard Enchaîné is a self-owned ‘satirical weekly’ with no advertisers and a longstanding reputation for publishing insider info. In other words, it is ‘outspoken mainstream’ to the extent that this oxymoron is possible. Today’s edition reports on Hollande’s being wrongfooted by Obama’s decision to consult Congress. The original plan was to have today’s debate underwrite a strike last weekend. And since there is no question of France going it alone, it turns out that the US Congress will be deciding what is done here.

Hollande is described as considering that Obama is reacting to the Bush-Irak situation and banking on Congress giving him the legitimacy he needs. However, the vote in Congress is not going to be helped by the latest regarding the assessment of the evidence of Assad’s use of chemical weapons.

On Monday evening, the prime minister brought in two opposition leaders to listen to the military disclose secret documents regarding planned targets, with the French CIA (the DGSE) providing their own evidence of WMDs, given that the American claims could no longer be trusted. These two leaders, Christian Jacob and former minister Jean-Louis Borloo, came away distinctly unpersuaded of Assad’s guilt. Hence their need for a parliamentary vote.

Politicking aside – for both sides (or neither) are seeking to gain political capital – the bottom line is that we are back to relying on dubious American evidence, which was clearly not enough for the British parliament. Putting a positive spin on all the chaos, we may expect (i.e. call upon, by means both conventional and unconventional) enough congressmen to find a conscience and put this idea of aggression to bed once and for all.

[SilentFeathers]

Seriously though, how the fu$& do we demand other countries to follow international laws as self proclaimed enforcers if we don't hold ourselves to the same standards?
Easy - bigger guns :).

Bigger guns work for a while....but IMO I think these strong arming days are rapidly getting shorter for the bully.

Even in a schoolyard the bully can only get away with pushing around and beating up the little kids for only so long. Sooner or later one kid will take only so much and whack the bully good when he ain't looking or a bunch of kids will get together and devise a method to skirt around the bullies big guns (muscles) and knock his feet out from under him and beat knobs on his head until he cries for mercy!

In the big schoolyard with all these high tech weapons and military might, the dynamics are much different of course, but no one is invincible.

This is a very dangerous time right now considering the little ones that have been cheated, beat up, and/or bombed for decades by the bully now see's the bully isolated to a large degree and vulnerable to a certain degree although he still has the biggest guns on the block.

If I was this bully, I'd be watching over my shoulder big time right now.....

Related:


'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action
Russian president says it is too early to say what Russia will do but does not exclude supporting a UN resolution
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/putin-warns-military-action-syria

[Sérénité]

Ok a little bit off topic, but something that keeps popping into my head and I cant shake it...
Just over 3 weeks ago, the UK sent a whole fleet of war ships, accompanied by an elite commando group from the Royal Marines and naval air squadrons to the Mediterranean.
They said it was nothing to do with the issues over Gibraltar and was a "long planned" and "routine" deployment.

Something didn't smell right straight away, there was no way that they sent all of them out there to growl at Spanish fishermen, but they planted a seed (into the mind of the average avid MSM viewer) that this probably was the reason behind it.
Nice diversion tactics!

So I guess what Im getting at is, was Cameron a week or so ahead of the rest of us on what was about to go down in Syria and decided to get the boys round there waiting for the nod (which thankfully got refused by parliment)

Im sorry this is only pure speculation, but it does keep popping into my thoughts. Does anyone know if our first line war crew are still down there in the Med still?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-vows-to-defend-its-gibraltar-interests-while-british-fleet-sails-in-coincidentally-of-course-8753424.html

[SilentFeathers]

Wow, backpedaling is going on everywhere

n6ePJXR216c

[GaelVictor]

Ok a little bit off topic, but something that keeps popping into my head and I cant shake it...
Just over 3 weeks ago, the UK sent a whole fleet of war ships, accompanied by an elite commando group from the Royal Marines and naval air squadrons to the Mediterranean.
They said it was nothing to do with the issues over Gibraltar and was a "long planned" and "routine" deployment.

Something didn't smell right straight away, there was no way that they sent all of them out there to growl at Spanish fishermen, but they planted a seed (into the mind of the average avid MSM viewer) that this probably was the reason behind it.
Nice diversion tactics!

So I guess what Im getting at is, was Cameron a week or so ahead of the rest of us on what was about to go down in Syria and decided to get the boys round there waiting for the nod (which thankfully got refused by parliment)

Im sorry this is only pure speculation, but it does keep popping into my thoughts. Does anyone know if our first line war crew are still down there in the Med still?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-vows-to-defend-its-gibraltar-interests-while-british-fleet-sails-in-coincidentally-of-course-8753424.html

Hope you can read russian :eek: but the pictures are clear enough i think.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2013-09/03/c_132688538_2.htm

22643

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[bennycog]

Ok a little bit off topic, but something that keeps popping into my head and I cant shake it...
Just over 3 weeks ago, the UK sent a whole fleet of war ships, accompanied by an elite commando group from the Royal Marines and naval air squadrons to the Mediterranean.
They said it was nothing to do with the issues over Gibraltar and was a "long planned" and "routine" deployment.

Something didn't smell right straight away, there was no way that they sent all of them out there to growl at Spanish fishermen, but they planted a seed (into the mind of the average avid MSM viewer) that this probably was the reason behind it.
Nice diversion tactics!

So I guess what Im getting at is, was Cameron a week or so ahead of the rest of us on what was about to go down in Syria and decided to get the boys round there waiting for the nod (which thankfully got refused by parliment)

Im sorry this is only pure speculation, but it does keep popping into my thoughts. Does anyone know if our first line war crew are still down there in the Med still?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-vows-to-defend-its-gibraltar-interests-while-british-fleet-sails-in-coincidentally-of-course-8753424.html

Hope you can read russian :eek: but the pictures are clear enough i think.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2013-09/03/c_132688538_2.htm

If you do a search with the name of the headline "Russia detects missiles fired toward Mediterranean eastern coast" you can see what would be written there in the pic..

OH and yes Dennis' posted vid is a must watch...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2013-09/03/132688292_31n.jpg

http://english.sina.com/world/2013/0903/624912.html

"EXCERPT"

At present, neither the Russian embassy in Syria nor the Syrian embassy in Moscow has the information about the two launched missiles.

Guard ship Neustrashimy and large assault landing ships Shabalin, Admiral Nevelsky and Peresvet would be replaced by large anti-boat ship Admiral Panteleyev and large assault landing ships Minsk and Novocherkassk.

President Vladimir Putin was briefed about the launch by the Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, the ministry's press service said.

Also on Tuesday, the Defense Ministry said the crisis in Syria must be solved through dialogue without any foreign interference.

"The situation in Syria keeps to deteriorate and it negatively affects the situation in the Middle East as a whole. The crisis in Syria must be solved via dialogue without foreign involvement," the ministry's representative for international military cooperation Oleg Dogayev told the Public Chamber meeting.

[Sérénité]

Thanks for the link Hatemachines and Bennycog.
Gosh I missed that incident guys, must turn the tv on more!
So we can confidently say that with that formation display that they knew exactly where they were heading and why, way before the chemical attacks occurred...

[cursichella1]

Also before Congress today: Declaration of National State of Emergency.

Since when does something on this scale (Syria), that occurs in another country, constitute an emergency here in the U.S.? I can think of other outside incidents that didn't prompt this...

The declaration can be downloaded here:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-108hdoc184/pdf/CDOC-108hdoc184.pdf

[Camilo]

- Let us BE the peace that we envision for all peoples and all countries on this Earth.

- Let us focus our healing transmission to all decision makers and governments.

- And let us hold the people of Syria within the healing energy of our compassion and heart-love.

In collective unity, we can awaken profound and lasting peace in every person, place and condition upon this sacred sweet earth.

[avid]

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-10...-108hdoc184.pd
link not found = ?


United States Government Printing Office printer prt distributor dst United States Congress House of Representatives author aut Government Organization text government publication eng CDOC Congressional Committee Materials 108_cong_docs legislative 2010-08-06 DECLARATION OF A NATIONAL EMERGENCY WITH RESPECT TO SYRIA U.S. Government Printing Office 2004-05-17 monographic deposited born digital 9 p. Y 1.1/7: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-108hdoc184 P0b002ee1803054d8 f:hd184.108 DGPO 2010-08-06 2012-07-10 CDOC-108hdoc184 machine generated eng fdlp HDOC CDOC-108hdoc184 108 2 house 184 true http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-108hdoc184/content-detail.html http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-108hdoc184/html/CDOC-108hdoc184.htm http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-108hdoc184/pdf/CDOC-108hdoc184.pdf H. Doc. 108-184 H. Doc. 108-184 United States Congress House of Representatives Committee on International Relations referenced by Government Organization United States Executive office of the President originator org United States Government Agency George W. Bush originator org President of the United States DECLARATION OF A NATIONAL EMERGENCY WITH RESPECT TO SYRIA HDOC 108-184 OTHERPART CDOC-108hdoc184 2004-05-17 true A DECLARATION OF A NATIONAL EMERGENCY WITH RESPECT TO THE THREAT CONSTITUTED BY CERTAIN ACTIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA. FURTHER, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SUBSECTION 5(b) OF THE SYRIA ACCOUNTABILITY AND LEBANESE SOVEREIGNTY RESTORATION ACT OF 2003 (SAA), PUB. L. 108-175, THIS MESSAGE ALSO CONSTITUTES THE REPORT ON THE EXERCISE OF THE WAIVER AUTHORITY PURSUANT TO THAT STATUTE, PURSUANT TO 50 U.S.C. 1703(b) Message and accompanying papers referred to the Committee on International Relations and ordered to be printed true Bush, George W. George W. Bush George Bush George Walker Bush Committee on International Relations International Relations United States Code Title 3 Section 301 3 U.S.C. 301 United States Code Title 49 Section 40102(a)(23) 49 U.S.C. 40102(a)(23) United States Code Title 50 Section 1601et seq. Title 50 Section 1631 Title 50 Section 1641(c) Title 50 Section 1701et seq. Title 50 Section 1702(b)(1) Title 50 Section 1702(b)(2) Title 50 Section 1703(b) Title 50 Section 1703(c) 50 U.S.C. 1601et seq. 50 U.S.C. 1631 50 U.S.C. 1641(c) 50 U.S.C. 1701et seq. 50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1) 50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2) 50 U.S.C. 1703(b) 50 U.S.C. 1703(c) United States Public Law 106-387 Public Law 106-387 United States Public Law 108-175 Public Law 108-175
I have no idea what I found here - but make of it what you will....

Sorry- but if I get a bad link - I chip away url until something pops up - possibly irrelevant...

[Bill Ryan]

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My very strong feeling is that they are pushing this to fit to some kind of schedule.

If an attack on Syria doesn't happen as planned or desired, then the other dominoes won't fall.

Hence the urgency -- and associated illogic. They are hoping, fingers crossed, that they'll get away with it. It's on a knife-edge. and everything is in the balance.

[Bill Ryan]

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Okay, the link is this:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-108hdoc184/pdf/CDOC-108hdoc184.pdf

---> George W Bush. May 11, 2004.

[araucaria]

Does this mean the US has been in a state of emergency for over nine years? If so, it is understandable that they would be considerably behind schedule - and maybe soon irremediably so.

[Harley]

News Break:


The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, 10-7, approves resolution authorizing a U.S. military response to chemical weapons use in Syria.

The measure goes to the full chamber for debate next week.

[Muzz]

Fiddling while Rome burns :tsk:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix7/mcinsane_.JPG


Pictured: John McCain caught playing POKER on his iPhone during crucial Senate hearing on whether to take military action in Syria

He makes light of the situation by joking he 'lost thousands of dollars' on Twitter. link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2410616/Sen-John-McCain-playing-POKER-crucial-Senate-hearing-military-action-Syria.html)

He was spotted playing the game by newspaper photographer.


After seeing this I have to question the idea that there is anything remotely resembling a human soul in these politicians.

[Camilo]

Let's say a Benevolent Prayer for the people of Syria: "I ask any and all beings to help bring peace to the citizens of Syria even faster than we can hope for or expect, thank you!

[learninglight]

From another point of view

From Winter Patriot Community Blog

The Non-Attack On Syria - UPDATED

In two previous articles (here and here), I pointed out how the US/israel/NATO advance on the rest of the world has been stopped by Russia declaring it will not allow a foreign country to intervene militarily in Syria. In other words, Russia is saying if the US (or anyone else) attacks Syria, Russia will retaliate in kind. And Russia has the missile technology to defeat the US forces and these missiles are in place both on land in Syria and on their naval vessels off the coast of Syria. This fundamental fact that Russia will fight back and that it will, in all likelihood, be victorious is being totally ignored (publicly) by western officials and their brothers and sisters in the news media.

It is essential to bear this fact in mind when considering what is being said and reported in the news. In spite of all the noise about the US attacking Syria, it is simply not going to happen. The US cannot chance coming off second best in a conflict with Russia.

It is also essential to bear in mind that the 'news' is propaganda from start to finish. The media works hand-in-hand with the government creating the cause for war. So this 'hand-in-hand' behaviour calls for planning in advance which means that what we receive via the teevee is scripted . . . . including the 'opposition'. The situation requires it to be scripted. It's a show no different to any other teevee show. The major 'news' outlets including the wire services are all controlled by jews and, of course, they are all major supporters of israel and it's various genocidal programs. Everything that is reported will have some level of deceit embedded in it because its purpose is to shape our thinking. So the question that needs to asked of oneself all the time is, "Why am I reading this in the news?"

To show how scripted it all is, take for instance Jordan's reported refusal to allow the US to launch an attack on Syria using Jordan's airfields. Jordan is a vassal state. It is totally dependent on the US and its allies. So why is it apparently defying the US? If it was genuinely against it and the US was seriously for it, then you would expect the Jordanian govt to approach the US privately. There would be dealing going on. Jordan would not dare to openly defy the US in public because this would require the US to retaliate publicly. You just don't do that sort of thing if you are a country like Jordan and your power (and protection) rests on being associated with the biggest tough in town. The only explanation that makes sense of Jordan's open refusal of airfield facilities is that it was done with US approval. The exact same thing applies to talk of Egypt closing of the Suez canal to American warships. It's scripted.

If anyone would doubt that the media are not complicit in all this, they need to ask themselves why no one in the media is asking, “What would be Al-Assad's motivation for killing his own citizens with chemical weapons?” It takes an op-ed in the China Daily to ask that obvious and fundamental question. In any murder investigation, the first question that is asked about any suspect is, “What's their motivation?” The China Daily article concludes after a moments reflection that it would be suicidal for Al-Assad to do so.
“Even those who are no fans of the Bashar al-Assad regime must question why the regime would use chemical weapons as government forces have just won the upper hand in the fight against the opposition, and it is clear such a move would be tantamount to suicide.”

So if the US has been stopped from attacking Syria by Russia, why is it talking as if an attack is imminent? And why is it scripting these impediments to attacking Syria from its allies? The talk, like any show, is for the audience. Part of this audience is the American public. The fear and loathing creates a suitable backdrop to advance the police state in the US. It allows for the militarisation of police forces and gets them to believe they are in a war zone and not amongst their fellow citizens.

Another crucial audience sector is the 'Syrian rebels' aka mercenaries. Either way, they are the proxy troops for NATO. The Syrian government have these NATO proxies on the run now and NATO are trying to prevent a rout; trying to prevent a wholesale retreat by these terrorists. So the US govt is making all these noises about attacks coming against Syria which would help the position of the proxies. But it is all bull****. Israel, the US and the rest of NATO want the destruction of Syria if it can't take it over. This is Plan B. Destruction is always Plan B. To do this they need to keep the terrorist proxies fighting in Syria to the last man.

Another audience demographic is the Syrian population itself. All these threats of 'retaliatory' bombing (which would kill many Syrian civilians) because Al Assad supposedly killed many Syrian civilians, is designed to create panic and social disorder making it harder for the Syrian government to run the country while defending itself against armed invaders. The logic of killing people to protect them is straight out of “The Psychopathic Handbook”.

Yet another target for this nonsense spewing from the lips of various NATO government leaders and officials is Russia. It is always just possible they might be able to bluff Russia into backing down or at least making concessions to the US over their defence of Syria. It must be a wan hope, but hope springs eternal, especially when you are desperate.

Read rest here : http://winterpatriot.com/node/774

sharon

[MorningSong]

Here's what's going on in North Carolina Sate Gov't:


NC delegation divided on Syria airstrikes

Published: September 3, 2013

By Renee Schoof — McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — The Republican leadership of the House of Representatives declared support on Tuesday for air strikes on Syria, but some Republicans in the North Carolina delegation expressed serious reservations and several said they’d vote against military retaliation.

Those saying they’d vote no were Republicans Renee Ellmers of Dunn and Walter Jones of Greenville.

Rep. Howard Coble, a Republican from Greensboro, said he was leaning to no. Rep. George Holding, a Republican from Raleigh, didn’t say how he’d vote, but said in a statement that even a limited military action could have unknown consequences and may not deter the Syrian regime.

Ellmers explained her decision on Tuesday by saying that the United States had learned from involvement in the Middle East and “the fog of war which clouds our judgment between friend and foe, perceived goals and collateral damage.”

“At this time, I see nothing but hardship, danger, and unprovoked sacrifice on the shoulders of our military, our troops, and their families,” she said in a statement, adding that reasons for not approving military force were shared by her constituents.

She added that she would stick to that position “unless further evidence shows a clear threat to our national interests and a clearly defined vision of victory.”

Coble said he was leaning toward voting no for three reasons: “We cannot afford it,” “we will be going it alone,” and “we will be a day late and a dollar short.”

Coble said his constituents “overwhelmingly agree” that the U.S. should not use military force in Syria. He called the use of chemical weapons “a heinous act of cowardice” and noted the deaths of 100,000 other people in the civil war but added: “We cannot afford to be the world’s police force.”

Jones said through his spokeswoman, Sarah Howard, that he was strongly opposed to U.S. involvement in Syria and would vote against any authorization for military action.

“In light of the enormous debt and budget constraints our country is facing, Congressman Jones believes the money that would be spent on military intervention in Syria should be put to use here at home,” Howard said.

Holding on Tuesday had nothing to add to his statement from a few days earlier, said his press secretary, Lindsay Hamilton.

“The decision to attack Syria boils down to a series of blunt questions: What abiding American interest makes an attack on another country unavoidable? Is there a justification for putting American lives in danger? What are the consequences of an attack?” Holding said in the statement, adding, “before I can consider voting for any military action, I am going to have to hear some convincing answers.”

Republican Sen. Richard Burr said on Saturday that “short of putting troops on the ground, it is time for the United States and our NATO allies to take necessary, punitive military action against the Syrian regime” and send a clear signal that the use of chemical weapons has consequences.

Burr spokesman Robert Reid on Tuesday confirmed that Burr would vote to support such a move to act.

Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan also called for consequences for the use of chemical weapons. Hagan said in a statement on Tuesday that she did not support putting American troops in Syria, but that she would “closely review any resolution that would authorize a strong, targeted response.”

Hagan, a member of the Senate Armed Services committee, said she would have a classified briefing on Wednesday with Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Other briefings and hearings are planned this week and early next week before the votes.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on Tuesday said he would vote in favor and urged others to do the same. Majority leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., also said he’d vote to for the option to use force.

“America has a compelling national security interest to prevent and respond to the use of weapons of mass destruction, especially by a terrorist state such as Syria, and to prevent further instability in a region of vital interest to the United States,” Cantor said.

Rep. Mike McIntyre, a Democrat from Lumberton and a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, tweeted on Tuesday with a link to his views of the key question.

As Congress debates, “the important question to be answered is whether our involvement in a foreign country’s civil war meets the threshold of endangering our own national security,” McIntyre said.

Rep. Robert Pittenger, a Republican from Charlotte, was traveling from Tokyo to the United Arab Emirates on Tuesday. Pittenger is chairman of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare. Pittenger has said he would not support “an open-ended or ambiguous plan.”

“There are no good actors in the Syrian civil war, and the United States must be very careful not to become entangled in this internal conflict,” he said. “However, we should all be concerned by Syria’s substantial stockpile of chemical weapons and the risk these weapons could fall into the hands of al Qaida, Hezbollah or Hamas and used to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.”

Pittenger’s trip, which was arranged earlier, included much discussion about how to deal with Syria, said spokesman Jamie Bowers. Pittenger will go on to Cairo and NATO headquarters in Brussels.

Rep. David Price, a Democrat from Chapel Hill, said in a statement that the use of chemical weapons against civilians demands a response. He said he would insist that the resolution is about limited retaliation “and not a prelude to American boots on the ground.”

Rep. Mel Watt, D-Charlotte, said in an interview that he hadn’t decided how he’d vote. He said there was enough information to conclude that the Assad regime used the chemical weapons.

“So it’s just a question of whether and how you respond and how you tailor it in such a way to deter future acts of this kind and not get into a full-fledged war, which I think would be a mistake,” Watt said.

Spokesmen for Democratic Rep. G.K. Butterfield and Republicans Richard Hudson and Mark Meadows on Tuesday said it was too early for them to say how they would vote.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/03/3161475/nc-delegation-divided-on-syria.html#storylink=cpy

[TODD & NORA]

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[Bill Ryan]

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Shmoopie, I think Bahwan Nassiri may have nailed it:

http://henrymakow.com/2013/08/Freemason%20Warns%20of%20BioChem%20Attack%20on%20U S%20City%20.html

In his interview with Rick Wiles (below), Nassiri states that the planned (scheduled, even!) attack on Syria is just another step in the long-term program to create one allied and aligned super-enemy in the Middle East, at the Nation-State level -- not just Al-Qaeda, whatever that is -- hating America and everything it stands for.

Then, at last, they can have their Armageddon War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izz8cISo5Ts

[mojo]

Why can't our elected officials fight the war for us and see how quick it will end? No wonder, they have the A-ticket to the underground bunkers, they and their families will survive. Flaunted their agenda too, on the Georgia Guidestone, 500 million population. That stone should been torn down like Saddams statue in Iraq. No surprise citizens don'tt have a voice, and our elected officials with the vote to strike, wow. Did even one stand in the gap?

[ks4ever]

If you want to know what has been going on in Syria have a look at these. If you're squeamish look away.

-- Group of men being savagely beaten by Assad soldiers. They ask who's the religious one to beat him extra. http://bit.ly/15ZuYf7

-- Man being dragged by Assad soldiers after being tortured, asks to see his family before he dies. Assad soldier: "Sure, if you let us f*** your wife". Man: "My wife is my crown". Before they kill him. http://bit.ly/15Zv86j

-- Assad soldiers torture prisoners by stabbing them with knives then stoning them before they kill them. http://bit.ly/15Zvmub

-- Assad soldiers torture man to death while screaming: "F*** your God, f*** your prophet". http://bit.ly/15ZvycU

-- Young boy beaten savagely and humiliated by Assad soldier, before being killed. http://bit.ly/15ZvFp1

-- Assad soldiers sets man's head on fire while beating him to death. Then kill him.
http://bit.ly/15ZvI4b

-- Assad soldiers ask tortured man "Do you want freedom?", cut off his index finger, then shoot him. http://bit.ly/15ZvSbI

-- Assad soldiers abduct woman at a checkpoint and beat her savagely while calling her a whore as she cries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?f... …

-- Assad soldiers catch an old man and beat him up savagely as he cries and begs for mercy. http://bit.ly/15Zwkqt

-- Hamza was 13 years old when he was tortured to death for protesting against Assad. His genitals were cut off. http://bit.ly/15Zwtdx

-- Tamer was 15 years old when Assad soldiers tortured him with power tools to drill holes into his body. http://bit.ly/15Zwy0F

-- Little girl shot through the eye by Assad sniper. She takes her last breaths in front of her father. http://bit.ly/15Zwzlh

-- Assad soldier gets his mom on the phone and asks her to listen as he executes a young man. http://bit.ly/15ZwGNK

-- Young boy has half his face blown off by Assad shelling of Homs. He died a few minutes after this video. http://bit.ly/15ZwIoW

-- Man is detained at Assad checkpoint, beaten savagely, then a soldier walks up and simply shoots him dead. http://bit.ly/15ZwKgm

-- Assad soldiers cut off prisoners genitals and place them their mouths, before killing them. http://bit.ly/15ZwT3m

-- Baby girl takes her last breaths as her badly broken body fails after Assaf forces shelled her house. http://bit.ly/15ZwZrT

-- Young girl in Homs has most of her head blown off by Assad shells that fell on her home. http://bit.ly/15Zx4fd

-- Assad forces detain a man in Homs at a checkpoint and then literally beat him to death. http://bit.ly/15Zx7Yn

-- Little Ayat had most of her head blown off by Assad shells. This is nearly a year ago. http://bit.ly/15ZxaDt

-- Children blown up by Assad barrel bombs. Little Fatima is decapitated.
http://bit.ly/15ZxeTN

-- Assad forces tie up a family inc. men, women and children and beat them savagely as they bus them to prison. http://bit.ly/15ZxkL0

-- Assad soldiers beat up injured man, asking him: "Do you want freedom? Who's your God? Your God is Bashar" http://bit.ly/15ZxtOG

-- Assad soldiers place Alawite men in barrels, beat & torture them for sympathizing with the opposition. http://bit.ly/15ZxB0x

-- Horrific aftermath of Assad bombardment of Zamalka, Damascus, over a year ago. http://bit.ly/15ZxFgX

-- Horrific aftermath of Assad bombardment of Ashrafiyyeh, Aleppo, over a year ago. http://bit.ly/15ZxHW6

-- Little boy shot in the head by Assad forces in Homs. He's still alive in this video. He dies shortly after. http://bit.ly/15ZxMZG

-- Father prays over the body of his son who lost most of his head. He's still alive. He died shortly after. http://bit.ly/15ZxOky

-- Boy sniped by Assad soldiers in Deir az Zour. His brain is oozing out of his skull but he's not dead. Yet. http://bit.ly/15ZxWR2

-- And then here's a compilation of footage of Assad killing unarmed protesters before the FSA was even declared. http://bit.ly/15Zy3Ml

These are just the tip of the iceberg. Have a read of this from a student-turned-fighter who tells us why he joined Liwa al-Islam, the strongest rebel brigade in Damascus province. From my research this is much closer to the truth of what is going on in Syria.

"But the Islamic State of Iraq and #Syria does not exist on the ground as it does in the media": http://bit.ly/14rjE8a
extract-
I was in my fifth year of university with only two months left until graduation, but if I returned I would have been arrested. The security forces later raided the office I shared with other activists in Damascus, and before long Douma was under siege. That was when I joined Liwa al-Islam.
I joined them because they were professional. They were operating stealthily and weren’t parading around with their weapons. They would have their arms in the car, strike a checkpoint one minute and then be gone the next. Our work was successful; when we would attack a checkpoint, the army would vacate it shortly after and one of our battalions would take it over. By June I was training with a Kalashnikov for street fighting in one of the sports clubs in Douma.

The goals of Liwa al-Islam are the same [as those of the FSA]: to remove the current government and create an alternative that would be formed by the people who have been working for it most effectively on the ground. Most of these people identify as Muslims.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a shadowy organization that is not making its objectives clear. Many members of Jabhat al-Nusra, which was originally formed from less extreme groups, broke away to join ISIS, which fights even other rebel groups that differ from its own thinking. It has gathered fighters from other groups, especially foreigners. It is beginning to make some errors that cannot be tolerated.

But the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria does not exist on the ground as it does in the media. They are concentrated in the north, where you often have foreign fighters entering from outside Syria. In Damascus and its suburbs where I am, they are practically nonexistent. Liwa al-Islam is the biggest brigade in Damascus and its countryside.

The different brigades in Damascus province [eight, including al-Nusra] cooperate depending on the operation. Usually the most successful operations are carried out by one brigade, not multiple, because all of the guys already know how to work together.

I am against a U.S. strike on Syria. What we need from America and other Western countries instead is to pressure the regime’s allies, like Russia and Iran. If you cut off the regime’s financial and logistical support, the regime will fall straight away.

It is true [that a forensic chief recently defected from the regime with evidence of chemical weapons], but it’s not important; the time for defections has passed. There is no need for more evidence of the regime’s crimes beyond the destruction of this country. We already know what this regime has done.

When we were unarmed and being shot at in demonstrations and asked the world to intervene, we were abandoned. But over the past two years, we have built our strength. I’ve been fighting for a year and three months. At first we only had Kalashnikovs, but now we have tanks, missiles and anti-aircraft weapons. And we have liberated a large part of the country. We are much stronger than before, and we did this on our own.

There is no need for anyone to enter, and we don’t want anything from the outside. We just ask that no one support the regime or get in our way.


Look at the nationalities who have fought and died in Syria as of August 30, 2013 and much much more.
http://freedomfalconofsyria.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/fryzia-syria-status-report.html

[Mitm]

How do you know these arent mostly staged? Remember they planned for syria since 2007, All the so called rebels are NATO Saudi/Turkish/Israeli Mercs.. who is paying them? who else is providing arms to them? Have a read of the US Unconventional war manual, and you see the blueprint to what is happening in Syria from the start... Yes the Syrians were Authoritarian, but for a number of years now they have been more open....http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/7688

[ks4ever]

The CIA started to plan what has become known as The Arab Spring back in about 1997. But technology like the internet and twitter have enabled it to take on a life of its own, well beyond the constraints and control of those who masterminded it in the first place. The people in the middle-east have been waking up just like we have on this Forum, but they have a little catching up to do yet.
If you think the Free Syrian Army are mostly mercenaries then you not very well informed. Yes there are more and more specially trained Special Forces who are trained in Jordan entering the country over the last year, but these are almost all former Syrian Army personel who defected and are now fighting to overthrow the regime. They are being trained by both US and British special forces and in the last week have been crossing over into Damascas at around 250-300 per day. Most of the weapons until more recently were obtained by people selling everything they owned or support from family living overseas. Some Arab states have sent a large amount of weapons, but the vast majority are those that have been captured from military bases all over Syria. Very few of the Free Syrian Army receive any payment although I believe that may have started to change during the last couple of months. The radical groups or terrorists are believed to be somewhere around 5% of those forces trying to depose the Assad government.

[eva08]

ks4ever -- thank you, for your report. I am wondering who is paying the Assad and supplying their weapons. Criminal activity is never acceptable, but that also does not mean -- IMHO -- that the US needs to step in -- we should start fixing our own problems, right here at home.....

[Atlas]

How do you know these arent mostly staged?
I agree, many of these are staged. Video below uploaded by The Telegraph:
Yl81Ykx8z18

[Tesseract]

If Russia is Assad's ally, I'd hate to see his enemies. Russia stated very publicly some time ago that Assad is not an essential part of a future Syria, hardly something that would be uttered if they were determined to prop up the regime. The security council vetoes are very much a result of NATO's abuse of the UN resolution on Libya, from which Russia abstained on the original vote, much to their later regret. Meanwhile they are holding back on key components of the anti-aircraft units they have sold to Syria.

Russia's position on Syria has really been about as fair as anyone could demand, and has not been blindly pro-Assad, as the Whitehouse and the MSM are trying to make us believe. Anti-Russian propaganda from both of the aforementioned culprits is as outrageous as it is ubiquitous - from the war with Georgia to the recent UN vetoes - their has been a concerted, retrograde, campaign to demonise Russia, with bold faced lies, at every opportunity. Sergei Lavrov, as always, has been the lone voice of reason. Condemning cannibal terrorists, inquiring upon the wisdom of the west and pointing out their hypocrisy does not make anyone pro-Assad. Putin (who I am not impressed with in general) has been freely conversing with Western leaders, and has stated very reasonably that the West has still failed to produce proof that Assad was behind the attack, and today, I read that Putin did not rule out endorsing air strikes on Syria should that proof come to hand. Russia does have a naval base in Syria, which has been mostly, if not completely, evacuated, and they view that base as independent of the domestic government.

I really don't know how Russia will play its cards here, a policy to not help nor hinder the Syrian government will probably continue. By doing nothing, they re-enforce their prior-stated opinion that Assad is not a key player. The generally ignored calls for negotiation will continue. However, their reasonable attitude does not mean that a poorly justified bombing campaign by the West won't publicly invoke the ire of Moscow. Although quietly, Putin may be glad to see the bombing go ahead, as it will discredit the USA further, and set a precedent for intervention/military action that Russia itself may wish to engage in one day closer to home.

If Russia does become externally outraged over a Western bombing campaign, I don't think they themselves will do anything rash (a la start WW3), although some passive-aggressive actions, for example pushing up oil and gas prices, may take place, together with punitive diplomatic actions against the countries involved... But - these things are unpredictable, and that is dangerous.

[Flash]

If you want to know what has been going on in Syria have a look at these. If you're squeamish look away.

-- Group of men being savagely beaten by Assad soldiers. They ask who's the religious one to beat him extra. http://bit.ly/15ZuYf7

-- Man being dragged by Assad soldiers after being tortured, asks to see his family before he dies. Assad soldier: "Sure, if you let us f*** your wife". Man: "My wife is my crown". Before they kill him. http://bit.ly/15Zv86j

-- Assad soldiers torture prisoners by stabbing them with knives then stoning them before they kill them. http://bit.ly/15Zvmub

-- Assad soldiers torture man to death while screaming: "F*** your God, f*** your prophet". http://bit.ly/15ZvycU

-- Young boy beaten savagely and humiliated by Assad soldier, before being killed. http://bit.ly/15ZvFp1

-- Assad soldiers sets man's head on fire while beating him to death. Then kill him.
http://bit.ly/15ZvI4b

-- Assad soldiers ask tortured man "Do you want freedom?", cut off his index finger, then shoot him. http://bit.ly/15ZvSbI

-- Assad soldiers abduct woman at a checkpoint and beat her savagely while calling her a whore as she cries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?f... …

-- Assad soldiers catch an old man and beat him up savagely as he cries and begs for mercy. http://bit.ly/15Zwkqt

-- Hamza was 13 years old when he was tortured to death for protesting against Assad. His genitals were cut off. http://bit.ly/15Zwtdx

-- Tamer was 15 years old when Assad soldiers tortured him with power tools to drill holes into his body. http://bit.ly/15Zwy0F

-- Little girl shot through the eye by Assad sniper. She takes her last breaths in front of her father. http://bit.ly/15Zwzlh

-- Assad soldier gets his mom on the phone and asks her to listen as he executes a young man. http://bit.ly/15ZwGNK

-- Young boy has half his face blown off by Assad shelling of Homs. He died a few minutes after this video. http://bit.ly/15ZwIoW

-- Man is detained at Assad checkpoint, beaten savagely, then a soldier walks up and simply shoots him dead. http://bit.ly/15ZwKgm

-- Assad soldiers cut off prisoners genitals and place them their mouths, before killing them. http://bit.ly/15ZwT3m

-- Baby girl takes her last breaths as her badly broken body fails after Assaf forces shelled her house. http://bit.ly/15ZwZrT

-- Young girl in Homs has most of her head blown off by Assad shells that fell on her home. http://bit.ly/15Zx4fd

-- Assad forces detain a man in Homs at a checkpoint and then literally beat him to death. http://bit.ly/15Zx7Yn

-- Little Ayat had most of her head blown off by Assad shells. This is nearly a year ago. http://bit.ly/15ZxaDt

-- Children blown up by Assad barrel bombs. Little Fatima is decapitated.
http://bit.ly/15ZxeTN

-- Assad forces tie up a family inc. men, women and children and beat them savagely as they bus them to prison. http://bit.ly/15ZxkL0

-- Assad soldiers beat up injured man, asking him: "Do you want freedom? Who's your God? Your God is Bashar" http://bit.ly/15ZxtOG

-- Assad soldiers place Alawite men in barrels, beat & torture them for sympathizing with the opposition. http://bit.ly/15ZxB0x

-- Horrific aftermath of Assad bombardment of Zamalka, Damascus, over a year ago. http://bit.ly/15ZxFgX

-- Horrific aftermath of Assad bombardment of Ashrafiyyeh, Aleppo, over a year ago. http://bit.ly/15ZxHW6

-- Little boy shot in the head by Assad forces in Homs. He's still alive in this video. He dies shortly after. http://bit.ly/15ZxMZG

-- Father prays over the body of his son who lost most of his head. He's still alive. He died shortly after. http://bit.ly/15ZxOky

-- Boy sniped by Assad soldiers in Deir az Zour. His brain is oozing out of his skull but he's not dead. Yet. http://bit.ly/15ZxWR2

-- And then here's a compilation of footage of Assad killing unarmed protesters before the FSA was even declared. http://bit.ly/15Zy3Ml

These are just the tip of the iceberg. Have a read of this from a student-turned-fighter who tells us why he joined Liwa al-Islam, the strongest rebel brigade in Damascus province. From my research this is much closer to the truth of what is going on in Syria.

"But the Islamic State of Iraq and #Syria does not exist on the ground as it does in the media": http://bit.ly/14rjE8a
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I was in my fifth year of university with only two months left until graduation, but if I returned I would have been arrested. The security forces later raided the office I shared with other activists in Damascus, and before long Douma was under siege. That was when I joined Liwa al-Islam.
I joined them because they were professional. They were operating stealthily and weren’t parading around with their weapons. They would have their arms in the car, strike a checkpoint one minute and then be gone the next. Our work was successful; when we would attack a checkpoint, the army would vacate it shortly after and one of our battalions would take it over. By June I was training with a Kalashnikov for street fighting in one of the sports clubs in Douma.

The goals of Liwa al-Islam are the same [as those of the FSA]: to remove the current government and create an alternative that would be formed by the people who have been working for it most effectively on the ground. Most of these people identify as Muslims.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a shadowy organization that is not making its objectives clear. Many members of Jabhat al-Nusra, which was originally formed from less extreme groups, broke away to join ISIS, which fights even other rebel groups that differ from its own thinking. It has gathered fighters from other groups, especially foreigners. It is beginning to make some errors that cannot be tolerated.

But the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria does not exist on the ground as it does in the media. They are concentrated in the north, where you often have foreign fighters entering from outside Syria. In Damascus and its suburbs where I am, they are practically nonexistent. Liwa al-Islam is the biggest brigade in Damascus and its countryside.

The different brigades in Damascus province [eight, including al-Nusra] cooperate depending on the operation. Usually the most successful operations are carried out by one brigade, not multiple, because all of the guys already know how to work together.

I am against a U.S. strike on Syria. What we need from America and other Western countries instead is to pressure the regime’s allies, like Russia and Iran. If you cut off the regime’s financial and logistical support, the regime will fall straight away.

It is true [that a forensic chief recently defected from the regime with evidence of chemical weapons], but it’s not important; the time for defections has passed. There is no need for more evidence of the regime’s crimes beyond the destruction of this country. We already know what this regime has done.

When we were unarmed and being shot at in demonstrations and asked the world to intervene, we were abandoned. But over the past two years, we have built our strength. I’ve been fighting for a year and three months. At first we only had Kalashnikovs, but now we have tanks, missiles and anti-aircraft weapons. And we have liberated a large part of the country. We are much stronger than before, and we did this on our own.

There is no need for anyone to enter, and we don’t want anything from the outside. We just ask that no one support the regime or get in our way.


Look at the nationalities who have fought and died in Syria as of August 30, 2013 and much much more.
http://freedomfalconofsyria.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/fryzia-syria-status-report.html

I won't be very popular here but I must say that American did the same in Irak. This is war, and war brings savagery. In war, human are below the animals. This is precisely why we must stop this wanted Middle East war with the occident. (taking into account that these may be staged in parts, but surely not all of them).

We were doing great things just before being cut down by hackers. We should start again.

If not, what you read about Syria and the demise/torture of its people, you will read it about America later on (England, Canada, Australia, all of us). This is what war brings.

[Harley]

Another News Break (couple hours ago):


House Speaker John Boehner turned down a request from Russian diplomats who hope to directly lobby the U.S. Congress on Syria. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/04/russians-send-official-request-to-meet-with-u-s-congress/)

"The Speaker has declined the Russian embassy's request that he meet with a delegation," said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel.

[ks4ever]

Russia and Iran are the ones supplying weapons for the Syrian forces.
It should not be just the US that enforces the LAWS of the UN, but all countries should share the responsibility and cost. The Security Council of the U.N. is a farse when either the US, Russia or China can veto any of its decisions. The Council numbers should be increased to about 80 members with no country having the right of veto.
There are many countries on this planet who have military assets and capabilities far beyond what the public are aware of, Australia included, but they don't want to show their hand.

[Flash]

Russia and Iran are the ones supplying weapons for the Syrian forces.
It should not be just the US that enforces the LAWS of the UN, but all countries should share the responsibility and cost. The Security Council of the U.N. is a farse when either the US, Russia or China can veto any of its decisions. The Council numbers should be increased to about 80 members with no country having the right of veto.

Russia,Iran, China, America, England, France, etc. are the ones supplying weapons to all sides. You are naive Ks4ever. The weapons suppliers are international racqueteers, organised one, supported by all those countries. They fill the pockets of those at the top, everywhere. NO war, no money, no power.

[Kimberley]

This is an interesting read...

Press TV: US Revealed as The Enemy of the World September 3, 2013

http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/press-tv-us-revealed-as-the-enemy-of-the-world/

[GaelVictor]

Russian President Vladimir Putin cited convincing arguments against the U.S. Administration’s plans to launch a military operation in Syria in his last interview before the G20.

Putin made a sharp statement by accusing U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry of lies.
“I do think Kerry obviously lied in this case, since his assertions on the absence of Al Qaida emissaries in Syria apparently run counter to reality,” he said

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Another strong part of Vladimir Putin’s interview is the one where he demands convincing facts on the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian authorities. His words should be taken seriously because Russia has reliable sources of information in Syria.
The third important part of Putin’s interview is the demand to provide evidence of the Syrian government’s involvement in an attack on the peaceful population with the aid of chemical weapons and the suggestion that Russia might support a UN resolution on the use of military force should this evidence be provided.
Unfortunately, I don’t think these demands will be met. It’s worth saying that most world leaders have the same opinion. Recent public opinion research shows that the majority of Americans speak out against a possible war, too.

[ks4ever]

Dear Flash,
I am certainly not naive, but very well informed of exactly where the weapons are coming from and only named the main suppliers. I agree with your sentiments, it is all about making money and power.

[Selene]

ks4ever ~

I would suggest instead, that you are reasonably well-informed from the inside. Or at least, you know what you've been told.

Get brave here, my friend. Use your inner mission to speak from your own heart. Say what you really know.

You can. And you are among friends here. This is the best outlet for truth-telling.

Go for it, before they shut you down. You can do this.

PS And if your 'supervisors' come to shut you down, you will have done the work of the finest souls here. You will be a true hero/ine. Be brave.

All best wishes,

Selene

[ks4ever]

Dear Selene,
It is not just you they go for, they threaten your family and friends first. I have seen the possible futures, it is all about timing.

[Selene]

Yes, I understand that.

No one expects you to do or say more than you safely can. And only you can determine what you can do.

All my best wishes,

Selene

[Harley]

Dear Selene,
It is not just you they go for, they threaten your family and friends first. I have seen the possible futures, it is all about timing.

I concur (if you all haven't noticed by now).

Observation: Chinook and Black Hawk over-flights have started again today. Usually in groups of two or four and on a line generally between Portland and Yakima Training Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakima_Training_Center), and once in awhile on a line towards McChord/Fort Lewis. These over-flights had been noted at least four times daily all last month up until Thursday/Friday last week when they stopped.

Also earlier last month there were several local news reports of people from outlying towns calling in about helicopter activities late at night. A Fort Lewis spokesman said they were "training" and apologized for not coordinating it with the locals.

Another group has flown over as I typed this.

[GaelVictor]

"Delegation of Russian MP's plans holding meetings with U.S. congressmen and senators in Washington next week.

The visit is in the phase of planning and a discussion of details of the agenda is currently underway, the delegation will most likely include members of both houses of Russia’s Federal Assembly - the State Duma /the lower house/ and the Federation Council /the upper house.
The situation in and around Syria will be topic number one at the forthcoming discussions.

In the meantime, John Boehner, a Conservative from Ohio who is holding the post of speaker in the House of Representatives has already refused to hold meetings with Russian MPs. His secretary, Michael Steel told reporters the speaker, who is person number three in Washington’s political and state hierarchy, had turned down a request from the Russian Embassy to meet with the Russian delegation members."

[Flash]

Dear Flash,
I am certainly not naive, but very well informed of exactly where the weapons are coming from and only named the main suppliers. I agree with your sentiments, it is all about making money and power.

Fine, I am happy you are informed, your post did not seem to show this, I may have been mistaken.

[GaelVictor]

BBC & NPR correspondent Dale Gavrak - Syrian rebels admit chemical weapons was an accident..


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[Atlas]

@Hatemachines

I debunked this information in a post which was 'lost' during the reset. About the militants mishandling Saudi chemical weapons:

Date: Sat Aug 31 04:05:00 2013
Poster: buares
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Infowars is wrong, the militants didn't say that.

Infowars source (http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/) is Dale Gavlak, and Dave Gavlak co-wrote his article with Yahya Ababneh, a Jordanian freelance journalist :

From numerous interviews with [...] rebel fighters [...] Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence [...] and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack

They didnt tell us what these arms were or how to use them, complained a female fighter named K. [...] We never imagined they were chemical weapons.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named J [...] said [...] We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,

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The article is written by a jordanian freelance

The militants names are J. and K. (I wonder if they have F.)

J. is curious about weapons and K. doesn't know what a weapon is.


Also notice at the end of the Inforwars article (http://www.infowars.com/rebels-admit-responsibility-for-chemical-weapons-attack), Paul Joseph Watson wrote :

UPDATE: Associated Press contacted us to confirm that Dave Gavlak is an AP correspondent, but that her story was not published under the banner of the Associated Press. We didnt claim this was the case, we merely pointed to Gavlaks credentials to stress that she is a credible source, being not only an AP correspondent, but also having written for PBS, BBC and Salon.com.