Pentagon Prepping For ‘Large Scale Economic Breakdown’

[Bill Ryan]

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From Infowars and Story Leak (same article):

http://infowars.com/pentagon-prepping-for-large-scale-economic-breakdown
http://storyleak.com/pentagon-prepping-large-scale-economic-breakdown

Bill's comment: THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.





Pentagon Prepping for ‘Large Scale Economic Breakdown’

High level government documents reveal that the Pentagon is preparing in full force for ‘large scale economic meltdown’ and massive revolt via the US public — exactly what we are criticized for doing.

You see the Pentagon and agencies like the Department of Defense (DoD) are in full scale emergency readiness in their own words for ‘cataclysmic’ events that are believed to ultimately ignite riots in the face of chaos and economic collapse, and it’s all out in the open. And it’s one of the reasons that we’re seeing such a massive amount of spying on activists of all kinds, (http://www.storyleak.com/video-military-now-targeting-political-activists/) alternative news writers and personalities, and basically anyone preparing for themselves.

The US government is dedicated to logging such information into a major database in order to ‘prepare’ for the coming collapse that they are predicting in their own documents for all to see. Collapse predictions that have turned into ‘war games’ by the Pentagon, which in 2010 (http://www.defense.gov/QDR/QDR%20as%20of%2029JAN10%201600.pdf) were orchestrated to prepare for what the Pentagon dubbed ‘large scale economic breakdown’ and the disappearance of essential services like food.

In this same ‘war games’ exercise dedicated to domestic response, exercises were ran in order to prepare for ‘domestic order amid civil unrest’.

Military to Stop ‘Domestic Resistance’

A thread that is seen throughout these tests is the concept that civil unrest will unfold and prompt military action against the public. One of the largest examples of this is the US Army’s Strategic Studies Institute paper that talks about about the ‘threat of domestic crises’ that are expected to lead to massive unrest throughout the nation. Spurring more paranoia into the notion that every citizen is a terrorist, (http://www.storyleak.com/everyone-now-terrorist-us-government/) the report starts talking about everything from economic collapse to a loss of functional political order brought upon by a ‘hostile group within the United States’ that could access weapons.

In such scenarios, the report discusses (http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB890.pdf) how the DoD would then be ‘forced by circumstances’ to come in and stop ‘purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency”:




“DoD might be forced by circumstances to put its broad resources at the disposal of civil authorities to contain and reverse violent threats to domestic tranquility. Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance.”To go along with this, and the idea of the military coming in to stop domestic resistance in the midst of an economic collapse, the Pentagon has gone and created a force consisting of 20,000 troops whose sole purpose is to be available for civil unrest and catastrophes – all based on the 2005 Homeland Security program to (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217.html) prepare for ‘multiple, simultaneous mass casualty incidents‘. Yet again we see this link.

But don’t worry, changes have been made just one month ago to allow for the Pentagon to directly have absolute authority over domestic emergencies and ‘civil disturbance’ at large. As reported in a Long Island (http://www.longislandpress.com/2013/05/14/u-s-military-power-grab-goes-into-effect/) news publication and properly summarized by (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism) The Guardian as further preparation for some form of domestic meltdown:




“Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.”What does this mean exactly, to engage in the activity necessary to quell large-scale civil disturbances? Well, for one it is the blank check ability to go ahead and stop major protests amid domestic turmoil. The kind of protests we’re seeing around the world, from Egypt (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323665504579030630799391314.html) to Brazil. The kind of protests where citizens have had enough.

And going by the Pentagon documents mixed with the DoD papers, it appears the military believes America may take to the streets amid an economic collapse or ‘domestic disturbance’ of large caliber. And you can be sure that virtually all citizens that question the government are the targets of military intervention, as we see in the DoD’s own (http://www.scribd.com/doc/6163953/US-Army-Strategy-2008-Perpetual-Warfare) Army Modernisation Strategy, detailing ‘anti-government and radical ideologies that potentially threaten government stability‘ as a major threat.

Yes, you read that right. The DoD is classifying ‘anti-government and radical ideologies’ as something that threatens government stability. When a major ‘domestic disturbance’ comes along that all of these documents are discussing, such as perhaps in the form of mass protests, it’s the ‘anti-government extremists’ they will be coming after.

[SilentFeathers]

A war spiraling out of control with Syria could actually be the trigger to cause the dominoes to fall at a pretty steady pace.....especially if Russia/Iran/Syria start targeting places for strikes outside of the Syrian borders.

Many around the world and in the US would be protesting this war big time IMO, things would likely get pretty ugly all over the place.

Not to mention oil prices skyrocketing over this conflict and oil fields and shipping routes being targeted.....causing an economic crisis globally for sure.

I've got a bad "feeling" about this situation in Syria.....

[northstar]

What does this mean exactly, to engage in the activity necessary to quell large-scale civil disturbances? Well, for one it is the blank check ability to go ahead and stop major protests amid domestic turmoil. The kind of protests we’re seeing around the world, from Egypt to Brazil. The kind of protests where citizens have had enough.

And going by the Pentagon documents mixed with the DoD papers, it appears the military believes America may take to the streets amid an economic collapse or ‘domestic disturbance’ of large caliber. And you can be sure that virtually all citizens that question the government are the targets of military intervention, as we see in the DoD’s own Army Modernisation Strategy, detailing ‘anti-government and radical ideologies that potentially threaten government stability‘ as a major threat.

Yes, you read that right. The DoD is classifying ‘anti-government and radical ideologies’ as something that threatens government stability. When a major ‘domestic disturbance’ comes along that all of these documents are discussing, such as perhaps in the form of mass protests, it’s the ‘anti-government extremists’ they will be coming after.




We are many, they are few.
Are there enough work camps to hold the vast numbers of a public awakened to the reality of their voluntary enslavement?
I wonder how they plan to keep a lid on the growing unrest as more and more people turn of their media mind programming and start thinking for themselves?
Hmm, they will need compliant military members who are willing to kill and oppress their fellow citizens. That is giving me some ideas about some "RSA" Remote Spiritual Assistance to open the heart centers of those military people. Perhaps a nice spiritual virus to break down their mind programming and grow their conscience when they are ordered to imprison and oppress innocent citizens.

What is the price of freedom?

[Bill Ryan]

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As an important appendix to this, see Todd Hathaway's two threads for his best guestimate of timing (early November this year):
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61983-Anticipating-Emerging-WMD-and-Global-Financial-Threats--timeline-2013-2046-)

Anticipating Emerging WMD and Global Financial Threats (timeline 2013 - 2046) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61983-Anticipating-Emerging-WMD-and-Global-Financial-Threats--timeline-2013-2046-)



Zero hour: The day the dollar stood still (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60493-Zero-hour-The-day-the-dollar-stood-still)

And also please see my earlier thread


Essential reading for all Avalonians (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55445-Essential-reading-for-all-Avalonians)

[SilentFeathers]

We are many, they are few.
Are there enough work camps to hold the vast numbers of a public awakened to the reality of their voluntary enslavement?
I wonder how they plan to keep a lid on the growing unrest as more and more people turn of their media mind programming and start thinking for themselves?
Hmm, they will need compliant military members who are willing to kill and oppress their fellow citizens. That is giving me some ideas about some "RSA" Remote Spiritual Assistance to open the heart centers of those military people. Perhaps a nice spiritual virus to break down their mind programming and grow their conscience when they are ordered to imprison and oppess innocent citizens.

What is the price of freedom?

These work camps are not for the numb and dumb prescription drug junkies who wander around zombie like talking and texting on their Obama phones.....they are for people that are a bit smarter and have somewhat of a clue to the truth of whats really going on....

The problem those running these camps will have is the number of people freely wanting to be in them and lining up to get in just to get a meal......

[Finefeather]

I just heard on the news a few minutes ago that Obama is now considering his options for a Syrian strike...probably wont be too long now.
Maybe a few more red flags and covert operations then the world will be convinced...and then boom?

[Vitalux]

That is really neat!

Thanks Bill for the heads up! :high5:

I woke up this morning, and as I was drinking my cup of herb tea and listening to the music of the red cardinals singing in my backyard I was feeling far too happy.:music:




Now I have something to go back to being miserable about as I contemplate that
the end is near :rain:. I will add this to my list of items on the "end is near" agenda.

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/TheEndIsNear.gif

[ghostrider]

isn't it great, the constitution states the public , if government gets out of hand, has the right to disagree, assemble, speak out, question, and take up arms if needed to make it a government of the people for the people by the people... and our government preps against that very truth that makes america what it is ... they are in clear violation of the basic elements that make up the constitution and grass roots of freedom ... our forefathers would have long ago removed them by force and bloodshed , with abraham lincoln leading the charge ... they knew this day would come, which is why the first four amendments are stated clearly ... freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, no quartering of troops in peacetime, guards against unreasonable searches and seizures ...

[SilentFeathers]

That is really neat!

Thanks Bill for the heads up! :high5:

I woke up this morning, and as I was drinking my cup of herb tea and listening to the music of the red cardinals singing in my backyard I was feeling far too happy.:music:




Now I have something to go back to being miserable about as I contemplate that
the end is near :rain:. I will add this to my list of items on the "end is near" agenda.

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/TheEndIsNear.gif

Don't worry, the aliens are almost here to save us all :)

Seriously though, the gov has been preppin for years now, no one knows what's exactly going to happen and when. A crowd of several billion pissed off people would not be easy to control no matter what IMO.

[toad]

Why cant we all just relax.

[Wind]

No fear. ;)

[Bill Ryan]

Why cant we all just relax.


No fear. ;)


I'd say to a large degree it depends where you are -- and (for some) what reason anyone may have for knocking on your door.

If you're in a safe, quiet place, not in a major city, are self-reliant and well-prepared, then maybe you can relax with no fear. I'm not knocking that!

But many reading this will not be in that position, and may have legitimate cause for concern. This stuff is serious. I'd say (again!) that some Americans may have good cause to start considering the possibility of leaving the country.

Do read this article, which I've posted several times in different places:

The Protocols for Economic Collapse in America
http://projectavalon.net/Protocols_For_Economic_Collapse_In_America.pdf

The article was originally written by Economist Al Martin in early 2004, so start reading at the top of page 5 -- after the commentary on George Bush.

The PDF details the exact depth and level of preparedness for exactly what the article above (the one I copied) references. It's all there, ready to go. This massive and well-rehearsed government preparation is not just for the fun of it.

The only question is the timing, and whether this is will be a planned, scheduled demolition, or a semi-controlled collapse that even the insiders can't know exactly what weekend it will happen on. Again, see Todd Hathaway's analysis for clues, and take whatever action is needed, consulting both your logic and your intuition, to optimise your own family's well-being.

As ex-broker Ann Barnhardt says here (and this is a MUST SEE video: great fun, and she calls it like it is in very graphic terms):

IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'GET OUT' MEANS, THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN DO TO HELP YOU.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqDSe5Dh8s

[Carmody]

It appears this thread is inextricably tied to this thread over here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62663-Hungary-Sheds-Bankers---Shackles&p=720423&viewfull=1#post720423

[Tesseract]

Two things while I'm on my lunch break (I trade at lunch time):

- Alternative energy stocks are going nuts today (up up up).
- This morning I was very close to pushing the 'panic button' and exiting the market entirely.

[Bill Ryan]

- This morning I was very close to pushing the 'panic button' and exiting the market entirely.

To copy from my post just above (I've just edited it to add a lot more, which you might have missed):





As ex-broker Ann Barnhardt says here (and this is a MUST SEE video: great fun, and she calls it like it is in very graphic terms):

IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'GET OUT' MEANS, THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN DO TO HELP YOU.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqDSe5Dh8s

[donk]

For those of you talking about what the Constitution (capitalized, cuz it’s oh so important and respected), it says a lot of things.

For those lamenting the “loss of rights” you feel entitled to, do you yearn for the “good old days” when EVERYBODY had them (as god intended)?

For those talking about fear, I wonder why the sharing of this information prompts you to jump on and comment, as if a reminder is necessary (and in itself causes no more)?

Thanks for those of you keeping us informed. While I have been expecting a massive change in lifestyle (from my cushy middle class east coast suburban cake-walk) for some time and have worked through the fear that once brought me, I appreciate being told what the media and government outlets are transmitting.

[Heartsong]

I'm not questioning the initial post. I don't know and can't postulate on what is really coming down. Just a few brief thoughts.

20,000 specially trained troops isn't worth squat in a country the size of the U.S. We have more than 20,000 firefighters out fighting wildfires at the moment.

When there were race riots in the 60's when there were certainly legitimate reasons to be at odds with the government, there was wide scale looting and fire setting. Peaceful protesters were at risk as well as innocents. Police protection was needed. Fire protection and suppression was needed.

Sometimes I think we, the populace, are more dangerous than the government.

[spiritwind]

I don’t get myself all riled up over this kind of info but I still continue to quietly work toward the many ways in which we can become more self sufficient. Most of us can’t radically change our everyday lives in any major way overnight no matter what looms on the horizon because we either don’t have the time or we don’t have the recourses or both. But just looking at how Katrina was handled it isn’t rocket science to want to put away a little food and water and maybe an alternate source of energy. All of this would only be a short term solution to any major sustained situation. It could buy you time to assess the situation and determine a course of action that might ensure a better chance at survival.

But, after growing up as a JW, then the millennium, then 2012, I just don’t get excited anymore about predictions of imminent danger etc. Everything is planned and they never show all their cards. But then, most of us who have been around awhile have learned not to show all of our cards either. So, if and when life puts me and my family in a situation where we are really required to respond I will try to be as ready as I can, and to me that requires a calm and measured response to life. Not living in constant paranoia and fear. I also think there will be very obvious indicators and many of us will be able to actually feel it in our body when we really need to be concerned and that may be different for each individual. I still appreciate having current and pertinent information to sift through and assess. Plus, since I used up most of my emergency supplies I guess I better replace some of them. We just had one heck of a storm tear through here last night and I didn’t even have a way to heat my morning coffee!

[SilentFeathers]

I remember back when I was 16 0r 17 (about 1978) I meet a guy about 40 who was "going off grid", growing all his own food, canning, raising chickens and rabbits for eggs and meat, had a milk cow etc etc......he told me that I better get smart, get prepared, and get ready because tough times were coming!

about 35 years later, if he is still alive, he is probably doing and saying the same thing.

I would tend to believe this guy now more today than I did back then.....

[gripreaper]

get educated.

HERE ARE TRUTHFUL FACTS MOST PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW, …. BUT SHOULD…

01. The IRS is Not a US government agency. It is an agency of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) (Diversified Metal Products v I.R.S et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391)

02. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) is an agency of the U.N. (Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. page 816)

03. The United States has NOT had a Treasury since 1921 (41 Stat. Ch 214 page 654)

04. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF (International Monetary Fund) (Presidential Documents Volume 24-No. 4 page 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-2887)

05. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States! No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of bankruptcy it is finally over. (Executive Order 12803)

06. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the U.S. government, even though the “U.S. Government” held stock in the agencies. (U.S. v Strang, 254 US491 Lewis v. US, 680 F.2nd, 1239)

07. Social Security Numbers are issued by the U.N. through the IMF (International Monetary Fund). The application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 Form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 forms and not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who publishes them while the old form states they are “Department of the Treasury”. (20 CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) Chap. 111 Subpart B. 422.103 (b))

08. There are NO Judicial Courts in America and have not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464 Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat 138-178)

09. There have NOT been any judges in America since 1789. There have just been administrators. (FRC v.
GE 281 US 464 Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1 Stat. 138-178)

10. According to GATT (The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) you MUST have a Social Security number. (House Report (103-826)

11. New York City is defined in Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Guiliani stated on C-Span that “New York City is the capital of the World.” For once, he told the truth. (20 CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) Chap. 111, subpart B 44.103 (b) (2) (2) )

12. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619 Steward Co. v. Davis 301 US 548)

13. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF (International Monetary Fund), which is an agency of the United Nations. (It says “U.S. Department of Treasury” at the top left corner, which again is part of the U.N. as pointed out above)

14. You own NO property!!! Slaves can’t own property. Read carefully the Deed to the property you think is yours. You are listed as a TENANT. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

15. The most powerful court in America is NOT the United States Supreme court, but rather the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 PA. C.S.A. 502)

16. The King of England financially backed both sides of the American Revolutionary War.. (Treaty of Versailles-July 16, 1782 Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

17. You CANNOT use the U.S. Constitution to defend yourself because you are NOT a party to it! The U.S. Constitution applies to the CORPORATION OF THE UNITED STATES, a privately owned and operated corporation (headquartered out of Washington, DC) much like IBM (International Business Machines, Microsoft, et al) and NOT to the people of the sovereign Republic of the united States of America. (Padelford Fay & Co. v The Mayor and Alderman of the City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

18. America is a British Colony. The United States is a corporation, not a land mass and it existed before the Revolutionary War and the British Troops did not leave until 1796 (Republica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774)

19.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0


20. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

21. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol. 1, 53-54)

22. A 1040 Form is for tribute paid to Britain (IRS Publication 6209)

23. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1495 & 1493)

24. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 & 1493)

25. The Pope’s laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix, c. vii, n. 4. Prati, 1844 Syllabus Prop 28, 29, 44)

26. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing, NOT even what we think are our children. (Tillman vs. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten vs. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 438 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

27. Military dictator George Washington divided up the States (Estates) in to Districts (Messages and papers of the Presidents Volume 1 page 99 1828 Dictionary of Estate)

28. “The People” does NOT include you and me. (Barron vs. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore 32 U.S. 243)

29. It is NOT the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers. (SAPP vs. Tallahassee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, REiff vs. City of Phila. 477 F. 1262, Lynch vs. NC Dept. of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247)

30. Every thing in the “United States” is up for sale: bridges, roads, water, schools, hospitals, prisons, airports, etc, etc… Did anybody take time to check who bought Klamath Lake?? (Executive Order 12803)

31. “We are human capital” (Executive Order 13037) The world cabal makes money off of the use of your signatures on mortgages, car loans, credit cards, your social security number, etc.

32. The U.N. – United Nations – has financed the operations of the United States government (the corporation of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) for over 50 years (U.S. Department of Treasury is part of the U.N. see above) and now owns every man, woman and child in America.

The U.N. also holds all of the land of America in Fee Simple.

~source: http://angellucci.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/master-yoda-its-all-about-to-kick-off-after-1st-sept-2013-game-over/

[SilentFeathers]

So what are you trying to say gripreaper? that we have been lied too????? and that the pope is the supreme being on Earth????

[ghostrider]

Why cant we all just relax.

because that is the exact reason we are in the mess we are in ... evil forces work against us, and the public watches american idol and plays with their cell phones ...

[spiritguide]

NSA is part of DOD. Plans for civil unrest have always been on the books. The only difference today is we have the homeland security folks. We need to demand that the Patriot act and all it's amendments be abolished now. This will take the DOD's teeth out of the threat. There are many white hats in DOD and government in general that won't let law abiding folks get snookered. Be ready for hardship at any moment as one should be, but don't fear it. Man made problems are within our control, it is the natural disasters that we cannot defeat nor control.Why is it that we always hear of government over control from infowars and not any government beneficial acts? Surely they are doing something good somewhere, or are we ignorant by allowing ourselves to be bombarded by negative stimulus. Legally take out the corrupt politicians and their unconstitutional laws or put your energies toward tasks to support such. Let us demand, as a people, that our military uphold their oath and take out the treasonous trash. Hold media accountable or drop subscriptions to bull poop garbage, this includes turning off TV. Don't pay the liars anymore seek positive outcomes in communication and above all support positive environments. Let your heart carry you to truth and valor, regardless of the cost, it knows the way. Maybe we need to follow the infowars money to see clearly. IMHO

Peace!

[gripreaper]

So what are you trying to say gripreaper? that we have been lied too????? and that the pope is the supreme being on Earth????

Well, he declared himself to be the beneficiary of the trust, made us the trustees, and this energetic construct has never been rebutted.

If we don't want to be slaves, then we must 'speak it" out into the universe, to our inner core, to those around us, and to anyone else who will listen.

If we would rather watch Miley Cyrus provocatively gyrate around in latex underpants on stage (acceptable social norms I guess) then we get what we have coming.

Until we break the curse, then yes, the Vatican is the supreme owner and beneficiary of the earth, all of it's inhabitants, all of it's energy and resources.

[write4change]

I'm not questioning the initial post. I don't know and can't postulate on what is really coming down. Just a few brief thoughts.

20,000 specially trained troops isn't worth squat in a country the size of the U.S. We have more than 20,000 firefighters out fighting wildfires at the moment.

When there were race riots in the 60's when there were certainly legitimate reasons to be at odds with the government, there was wide scale looting and fire setting. Peaceful protesters were at risk as well as innocents. Police protection was needed. Fire protection and suppression was needed.

Sometimes I think we, the populace, are more dangerous than the government.

An interesting book to read is Lundum's Jackdaws which is based on the true stories of the Nazi occupation of Holland. The reality is the people you have to fear most are your neighbors. Especially in small towns where everyone is known. Since moving to one in Texas, the reality of people holding grudges for 40 years has come to my understanding. I have listened to people talk about being slamed against their locker by the mayor 40 years ago. Jealousy remains highly motivating for more than a few people. It is what is driving in Texas the desire to see people die rather than everyone get medical services needed by all.

[Flash]

-------

As an important appendix to this, see Todd Hathaway's two threads for his best guestimate of timing (early November this year):
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61983-Anticipating-Emerging-WMD-and-Global-Financial-Threats--timeline-2013-2046-)

Anticipating Emerging WMD and Global Financial Threats (timeline 2013 - 2046) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61983-Anticipating-Emerging-WMD-and-Global-Financial-Threats--timeline-2013-2046-)



Zero hour: The day the dollar stood still (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60493-Zero-hour-The-day-the-dollar-stood-still)

And also please see my earlier thread


Essential reading for all Avalonians (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55445-Essential-reading-for-all-Avalonians)


Wasn't also Simon Parkes saying that there was a false flag ETs landing planned by the government for fall, november??? Everything seems to fit together.

Adding to this the Hungarian throwing the EMF out, other countries will follow and we have the start of economic unrest.

Adding the war in Syria and the American/Israeli getting involved, provoking the Russians, we have another hot spot.

Everything jamming up together.

My bet: war first, economic collapse coming second, then ETs false flag to get the people to cool off from unrest and regroup together against a "common" enemy.

Then, attempt for total control (RFID, etc. to make it palatable for outside earth groups, we have to say yes to RFID, it has to be done officially, so that outside interventions are avoided). This is soooo paranoi that I Wonder if I am dreaming it up lol. It will truly be up to us to refuse or not.

[Spike]

buy a solar panel water pump and a R.O water filter. I got mine from freedrinkingwater.com its only 300 bucks made in the u.s the filters last for 1-2 years depends on how bad your water is. Mine is a stage 5 45 gallon a day filter bought it in 2012 put it in may so far it read .000 PPM then back to .001 PPM my tap water is .025 PPM could be any thing

http://i42.tinypic.com/2m4w36h.png

[ThePythonicCow]

As ex-broker Ann Barnhardt says here (and this is a MUST SEE video: great fun, and she calls it like it is in very graphic terms):

IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'GET OUT' MEANS, THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN DO TO HELP YOU.

Here's the ZeroHedge article, from November 2011, on Ann Bernhardt's warning: "The Entire System Has Been Utterly Destroyed By The MF Global Collapse" - Presenting The First MF Global Casualty - Barnhardt Capital Management has ceased operations (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/entire-system-has-been-utterly-destroyed-mf-global-collapse-presenting-first-mf-global-casualty).

The warning seems pretty simple, in my view. Assume that anything that's printed on paper or tracked in someone else's computer will someday soon be worth more or less nothing to you. Insurance, dollars, investments, retirement and pension accounts, government benefits (Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, ...) and so forth.

Each unit of "real wealth" (bushel of wheat, barrel of oil, hectare of land, hour of honest labor, home, clothing, gram of gold stored somewhere else, ...) is "rehypothecated" (claimed by someone) many times over, and when (not if, but when) the current monetary system collapses, you and I are not on the short list of those powerful enough to exercise first claim on these units of real wealth, except, hopefully, for small amounts held in our physical possession (at least until the Government Goons come and steal that too.)

Ann Barnhardt's call for a tax strike is unrealistic in my view. Sure, it would work, if it happened, but it won't happen, at least not until deep into the end game.

What we each can do instead is adapt, for the well being of ourselves and those close to us. Mentally write off any assets you think you have that are not in your physical possession, and then begin to liquidate them, as best you can. Invest in your own personal health and awareness and in possessions that might be useful in times of a major economic collapse. Spread any remaining "paper wealth" that you have across as many institutions and forms of investment that you can ... so far the collapse has been piece-meal, so there's a decent chance such a spread will give you sufficient warning to liquidate some of your assets by only confiscating another portion of them. But also have an idea what you'd do if all your remaining "paper wealth" vanished over night.

My net worth, as would be calculated by a conventional accountant, is less than one-tenth of what it was five or ten years ago, and my net income similarly reduced. But I am now debt free, in better health, far more aware of what's going on outside of my (former) narrow career specialty, and in far better shape to handle an extended economic and monetary collapse and reset.

In my estimation, most of the dire events that we are warned about (various extinction level events) have a substantially less than even chance of happening in the next decade, or at least are likely to be less dire than anticipated for most of us (a solo car accident killing just the driver is very dire, for that driver.)

But an economic collapse and monetary reset seems inevitable in my view, continuing over the next few years. Most of our paper wealth, promised pensions and legal titles will be usurped in the process. The American Dollar Titanic is colliding with the iceberg, and destined to sink. The world's most powerful have done their best to see to it that their most powerful enemies are aboard that ship, and the most powerful on the ship will do their best to ensure that us passengers in steerage are the last to get a seat on the too few, far too few, life boats.

Learn to swim ... in ice cold water. And it's not just one ship going down. Thanks to the globalization of world trade and economic activity, American hegemony and the world reserve status of the American petro-dollar, arising from the US being the "winner" of World War II (we bombed the crap out of everyone else, but were unscathed ourselves), it is the world economy and monetary system that is collapsing.

I expect a monetary reset, but I also expect a continued increase in world tyranny. The monetary system has swung about as far to one extreme as it can, so must swing back. Tyranny has come nowhere close to the extremes it can achieve, unfortunately, and will be used by the bastards in power to remain in power. I could be wrong on the tyranny count ... the Internet has been a game changer, and in the longer run will lead to a major reset of the world wide level of tyranny as well.

Two of my key motives for improving my health, my awareness, and my independent ability to sustain myself are:

My personal ability to adapt, to chop wood and carry water, are likely to be of use fairly soon, and
I'd like to live long enough to see how the Internet effects tyranny, and to play some role in that revolution (as I am doing here and now, administering one of the most useful websites in our awakening.)

The time frames of these two motives are not the same. The first motive is more immediate and certain; the second motive is longer term and I may well not live long enough to see how that is playing out.

[Sidney]

buy a solar panel water pump and a R.O water filter. I got mine from freedrinkingwater.com its only 300 bucks made in the u.s the filters last for 1-2 years depends on how bad your water is. Mine is a stage 5 45 gallon a day filter bought it in 2012 put it in may so far it read .000 PPM then back to .001 PPM my tap water is .025 PPM could be any thing

http://i42.tinypic.com/2m4w36h.png

Just out of curiosity, I see much regarding RO water filters. But say theoretically the public water utilities shut down, during a catastrophe, wouldn't an RO, be obsolete. Or do they make gravity type RO filters. I googled around a bit, and could not find the answer to my question. I happen to have the gravity type already, but started wondering if we are faced with a problem with radiation which would be better to have. Anyway, I don't mean to derail this thread, so just wanting a simple yes or no on this. Thanks :)

[ThePythonicCow]

buy a solar panel water pump and a R.O water filter.
Just out of curiosity, I see much regarding RO water filters. But say theoretically the public water utilities shut down, during a catastrophe, wouldn't an RO, be obsolete. Or do they make gravity type RO filters.
You need water pressure for a reverse osmosis unit, which is I presume why Spike included a water pump in his setup.

I'd suggest instead either portable water filters for backpacking, and/or Berkey gravity fed water filters (search on Google for those two phrases.) Actually, I'd recommend both -- clean water is really important. Also know where you will be getting your dirty water from (some lake, stream or hand pumped well, perhaps) when the power goes out.

Now back to topic (though clean water is important enough that I don't consider it far off topic.)

[ThresholdRising]

If the all the people of the country said that all the people, knowledge and resources were all theirs and focused on ensuring that all the people in the country got water, nutritional food, shelter and education prior to the event, the impact won't be so bad.

What resources, knowledge and networks do the American readers have to make this happen?

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Bubu]

No fear. ;)

have fun...........

[Wind]

have fun...........

"Eyes open, no fear" is a good phrase which I hear daily. Things might get worse before they get better, but you can choose between fear and love. Be prepared an stay safe. It's just a ride. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER6uv2xtuCg)

[white wizard]

2008 the economy is going to crash soon prepare now
2009 the economy is going to crash soon
2010 the economy is going to crash soon
2011the economy is going to crash soon
2012 the economy is going to crash soon and the world ends
2013 the economy is going to crash soon

Fast Forward
2014 any day know
2015 yup here we are any day know

Listen chances are you wont know until days before it happens so prepare yourself
with some guns and food, but don't live your life waiting for the STHF.

Live life for the positive, focus inwardly, and go with the flow. Enjoying life is
much better then worrying about it.

[ThePythonicCow]

2008 the economy is going to crash soon prepare now
2009 ...
Don't confuse uncertainty of "when" with uncertainty of "if".

[wobbegong]

I'm not questioning the initial post. I don't know and can't postulate on what is really coming down. Just a few brief thoughts.

20,000 specially trained troops isn't worth squat in a country the size of the U.S. We have more than 20,000 firefighters out fighting wildfires at the moment.

When there were race riots in the 60's when there were certainly legitimate reasons to be at odds with the government, there was wide scale looting and fire setting. Peaceful protesters were at risk as well as innocents. Police protection was needed. Fire protection and suppression was needed.

Sometimes I think we, the populace, are more dangerous than the government.

Just a thought...triggered by your comments (that do make sense to me): maybe the 20,000 is purposely insufficient for protection and suppression, because maybe part of the plan is to firstly let the populace implode, in order to intervene only afterwards, or intervene during the unrest only to sort of give the implosion the desired orientation? In that case perhaps 20k would be enough?

[davyj0nes]

I think the pentagon has contingency plans for just about everything imaginable. That is part of their job, defend against all enemies foreign and domestic.

post script
The list "HERE ARE TRUTHFUL FACTS MOST PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW, …. BUT SHOULD…" is absolute rubbish. Why this list keeps getting circulated is beyond me.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

How do you stop civil unrest??? why hollow point bullets of course. People will be looting and shooting each other, then the armed force comes in and 'restores order'

White wizard is right... We have been told it is coming don't any day now, and we wont be able to do anything until it actually happens, so lets be positive about it.

[gripreaper]

The list "HERE ARE TRUTHFUL FACTS MOST PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW, …. BUT SHOULD…" is absolute rubbish.

I beg to differ. If you back engineer to the 12th century, you can see the trusts which were set up by the Vatican, how England became agents, and how the US followed. It's all in the historical records for those who want to know the truth.

We can't change it if we don't know what happened and what is holding this hologram in place. We're slaves, pure and simple. We remain that way because we think its rubbish. I'm sorry if everything we have ever been taught is a lie, and we invested our entire lives in the lie. Better late than never to wake up.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

portable water filters for backpacking

Sawyer, Sawyer, Sawyer, all of them at least filter 1 million gallons guaranteed I have 2, that's over 7.5 million liters, both filters weigh in( together at less then 200 grams), I am in Europe so paid more for them, still, only 150 Euro,s for over 7.5 million liters of clean water, its a bargain, I am a frigging water millionaire. BUY ONE.

I will trade you 5 gallons of water for two cans of baked beans or a loaf of bread, I'll water your garden if I can share in the harvest.


Now back to topic (though clean water is important enough that I don't consider it far off topic.)

Sorry;)

[The Truth Is In There]

Why cant we all just relax.


No fear. ;)


I'd say to a large degree it depends where you are -- and (for some) what reason anyone may have for knocking on your door.

If you're in a safe, quiet place, not in a major city, are self-reliant and well-prepared, then maybe you can relax with no fear. I'm not knocking that!

But many reading this will not be in that position, and may have legitimate cause for concern. This stuff is serious. I'd say (again!) that some Americans may have good cause to start considering the possibility of leaving the country.


during an economic collapse people will be taught an important lesson for the future. that a large part of the population of a multi-culti country like the usa may just eliminate itself or have to be contained in camps because of the insane level of aggression of people, while those countries whose populations are still relatively pure and unmixed will stick together and weather the problems a good deal better.

during an economic collapse the different races in the usa will see enemies in each other. race riots will ensue, murder, theft, looting, rape, with black people in the front lines.

in germany, norway, denmark, sweden, finland, the uk and the be-ne-lux countries, in places where the nordic/germanic population is still pure and thus more level-headed and less prone to emotional outbursts, people will see themselves in each other and help one another. problems will be much less severe, except in cities where large parts of the population are immigrants.

i'd not want to live in a country like the usa during such a period of unrest. i don't know if the intention of the controllers is this lesson or the easy elimination of lots of people or the generation of lots of negativity, but i'm pretty sure all of this will be accomplished.

[Valle]

Our days have many similarities with the summer of 1914.. Listen to the the text in the beginning of this film act one: "Last Summer of the Old World"
1914 it was a time of prosperity and globalization. People was consumers not soldiers. It has been a long period of peace, old enemies was on speaking turns, but pacts was forming - and then a terrorist act set the world in flame..
Hp0HiYt5poQ

[araucaria]

Our days have many similarities with the summer of 1914..
Well then, let's see to it that the similarities stop there :) There is doubtless no reference year to look back on, we need to improvise something totally new. 'History', says James Joyce, 'is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake'.

[Octavusprime]

Why cant we all just relax.


No fear. ;)


I'd say to a large degree it depends where you are -- and (for some) what reason anyone may have for knocking on your door.

If you're in a safe, quiet place, not in a major city, are self-reliant and well-prepared, then maybe you can relax with no fear. I'm not knocking that!

But many reading this will not be in that position, and may have legitimate cause for concern. This stuff is serious. I'd say (again!) that some Americans may have good cause to start considering the possibility of leaving the country.


during an economic collapse people will be taught an important lesson for the future. that a large part of the population of a multi-culti country like the usa may just eliminate itself or have to be contained in camps because of the insane level of aggression of people, while those countries whose populations are still relatively pure and unmixed will stick together and weather the problems a good deal better.

during an economic collapse the different races in the usa will see enemies in each other. race riots will ensue, murder, theft, looting, rape, with black people in the front lines.

in germany, norway, denmark, sweden, finland, the uk and the be-ne-lux countries, in places where the nordic/germanic population is still pure and thus more level-headed and less prone to emotional outbursts, people will see themselves in each other and help one another. problems will be much less severe, except in cities where large parts of the population are immigrants.

i'd not want to live in a country like the usa during such a period of unrest. i don't know if the intention of the controllers is this lesson or the easy elimination of lots of people or the generation of lots of negativity, but i'm pretty sure all of this will be accomplished.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion but it sounds pretty ignorant and likely driven by some perceived racial superiority.

The fact is, it will be trying times for all. Going into the situation with preconceived notions of an incoming race war is not helping anyone. If anything it causes fear which leads to distrust and then hatred.

Sorry for getting off topic but I can't sit quiet and let this kind of hate mongering be spewed forth without saying something.

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[sdv]

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion but it sounds pretty ignorant and likely driven by some perceived racial superiority.

The fact is, it will be trying times for all. Going into the situation with preconceived notions of an incoming race war is not helping anyone. If anything it causes fear which leads to distrust and then hatred.

Sorry for getting off topic but I can't sit quiet and let this kind of hate mongering be spewed forth without saying something.

I agree. Talk about race and purity and level-headedness connected to those two concepts is very one-dimensional. We, as people, all share the same bodily functions and experience the same emotions and all are driven by the same basic desires and fears. Race is irrelevant. So is religion. So is language and culture. It is the physical, emotional, intellectual, spiritual and egotistical drives and desires, needs and wants that determine conflict between so-called groups (i.e. when one group has more than needed and another has less than needed or wanted) and all that stuff transcends racial, language and cultural boundaries (and national, provincial, state, and so on).

At present I have to commute by train for two hours'a day for work I am doing (plus one-and-a-half hour of walking to and from stations!). I live in a multi-cultural country ... different races, languages, religions, plus many foreigners (and, by the way, most Muslim women do not cover their heads). There is also a lot of crime and violence in this country (babies raped, murder, violent robberies, corruption, gang rape, torture, violent protests, including throwing poo in the province where I live, ever day). Since more than 80% of the population is black and more than 25% of households in the country (mostly black) are living completely on social grants and free services, housing, and so on, you can imagine the beliefs and racial tension that exists and how racial they tend to be. Yet, on the train, I have discovered that we all have so much in common that draws strangers together on the weirdest ways. racial encounters are few and far between and very bizarre when they happen: I am on the train on the route home and it is full and crowded, as usual. A black man reaches to pick up a bag, belonging to a white woman, to hand it to her so that he can sit beside her and converse with his friends, who are sitting opposite her. She snatches it from him: 'Don't touch my bag'. She then talks on her cellphone: 'Sitting next to me. Pushing his way and pushing up against me. Grabbing my bag.' There are 8 of us sitting around where this incident takes place (a mixture of black, white and coloured, some of whom are Muslims). We all start giggling in a kind of restrained way because it is rude to gang up and laugh at a stupid stranger, but every time we look up and catch another person's eyes, we 'corpse' and just can't stop ourselves from laughing in that infectious snorting bursting way of merriment at a comedy show. A group of multi-cultural strangers sharing a very human moment without any spoken conversation.

:focus:

[Mark]

during an economic collapse people will be taught an important lesson for the future. that a large part of the population of a multi-culti country like the usa may just eliminate itself or have to be contained in camps because of the insane level of aggression of people, while those countries whose populations are still relatively pure and unmixed will stick together and weather the problems a good deal better.

during an economic collapse the different races in the usa will see enemies in each other. race riots will ensue, murder, theft, looting, rape, with black people in the front lines.

in germany, norway, denmark, sweden, finland, the uk and the be-ne-lux countries, in places where the nordic/germanic population is still pure and thus more level-headed and less prone to emotional outbursts, people will see themselves in each other and help one another. problems will be much less severe, except in cities where large parts of the population are immigrants.

i'd not want to live in a country like the usa during such a period of unrest. i don't know if the intention of the controllers is this lesson or the easy elimination of lots of people or the generation of lots of negativity, but i'm pretty sure all of this will be accomplished.

If that were in the least bit true then the many world wars that have engulfed Europe would not have resulted in white people killing white people by the millions. Pure? There are no pure humans on this planet. Period.

The idea itself is the root of the entire issue that has led to this world and this outcome.

Those who believe in PURITY are those who rule this world and seek to pit race against race.

When stuff hits the fan? When people find they have a common enemy and that enemy is class-based?

Then they stick together no matter what they look like. That is my lived experience, despite the hype, people are not so genetically determined as you seem to think.

The ones who want or believe that warfare will proceed by race or ethnicity are brainwashed by elite belief system or are purveyors of it themselves.

[ThePythonicCow]

during an economic collapse the different races in the usa will see enemies in each other. race riots will ensue, murder, theft, looting, rape, with black people in the front lines.

in germany, norway, denmark, sweden, finland, the uk and the be-ne-lux countries, in places where the nordic/germanic population is still pure and thus more level-headed and less prone to emotional outbursts, people will see themselves in each other and help one another. problems will be much less severe, except in cities where large parts of the population are immigrants.



I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion but it sounds pretty ignorant and likely driven by some perceived racial superiority.

The fact is, it will be trying times for all. Going into the situation with preconceived notions of an incoming race war is not helping anyone. If anything it causes fear which leads to distrust and then hatred.

Sorry for getting off topic but I can't sit quiet and let this kind of hate mongering be spewed forth without saying something.

Well said, Octavusprime.

Be forewarned, The Truth Is In There, that I for one grow increasingly impatient with your, rather narrow and unfortunate in my view, postings here.

[araucaria]

during an economic collapse the different races in the usa will see enemies in each other. race riots will ensue, murder, theft, looting, rape, with black people in the front lines.

in germany, norway, denmark, sweden, finland, the uk and the be-ne-lux countries, in places where the nordic/germanic population is still pure and thus more level-headed and less prone to emotional outbursts, people will see themselves in each other and help one another. problems will be much less severe, except in cities where large parts of the population are immigrants.



I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion but it sounds pretty ignorant and likely driven by some perceived racial superiority.

The fact is, it will be trying times for all. Going into the situation with preconceived notions of an incoming race war is not helping anyone. If anything it causes fear which leads to distrust and then hatred.

Sorry for getting off topic but I can't sit quiet and let this kind of hate mongering be spewed forth without saying something.

Well said, Octavusprime.

Be forewarned, The Truth Is In There, that I for one grow increasingly impatient with your, rather narrow and unfortunate in my view, postings here.
I missed this when responding to Valle yesterday, otherwise I would have posted something similar to the last several posts.
I have not lived in the UK for many years, but it seems to have become a hugely multicultural society. And Germans on the whole have massively distanced themselves from such rhetoric that recalls their country's involvement in so much past warmongering. On the other hand, racist views continue to be held by some elements in these northern countries, one such being Anders Breivik in Norway. This is extremely serious and must not be allowed on this forum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

The Truth Is in There is a self-styled advocatus diaboli, or devil's advocate, a dangerous game to play. I bumped into a real one a couple of times at art shows, the lawyer Jacques Vergès, who died last week and who made a speciality of defending people like the terrorist Carlos, or the Nazi 'butcher of Lyon' Klaus Barbie, responsible for sending many Jews to the death camps. Although I am a total unknown, for some reason he did not seem entirely comfortable in my presence. Anyone is rightly entitled to be defended in court, but in some cases it would be better if the judge had to appoint someone.

[Curt]

... in places where the nordic/germanic population is still pure and thus more level-headed and less prone to emotional outbursts, people will see themselves in each other and help one another. problems will be much less severe, except in cities where large parts of the population are immigrants.

Here's a guy who was into Germanic racial purity. He was extremely level-headed. And was never one for emotional outbursts. ;)

XOv1Q3sqDic

[778 neighbour of some guy]

during an economic collapse people will be taught an important lesson for the future. that a large part of the population of a multi-culti country like the usa may just eliminate itself or have to be contained in camps because of the insane level of aggression of people, while those countries whose populations are still relatively pure and unmixed will stick together and weather the problems a good deal better.

during an economic collapse the different races in the usa will see enemies in each other. race riots will ensue, murder, theft, looting, rape, with black people in the front lines.

in germany, norway, denmark, sweden, finland, the uk and the be-ne-lux countries, in places where the nordic/germanic population is still pure and thus more level-headed and less prone to emotional outbursts, people will see themselves in each other and help one another. problems will be much less severe, except in cities where large parts of the population are immigrants.

i'd not want to live in a country like the usa during such a period of unrest. i don't know if the intention of the controllers is this lesson or the easy elimination of lots of people or the generation of lots of negativity, but i'm pretty sure all of this will be accomplished.

Garcon, there appears to be a mustache in my soup:confused:

[Chester]

I just heard on the news a few minutes ago that Obama is now considering his options for a Syrian strike...probably wont be too long now.
Maybe a few more red flags and covert operations then the world will be convinced...and then boom?

...and then maybe the few who have learned the lessons required of "God" might be allowed to move into higher dimensions where they don't have to reincarnate again inside "insano" world like most of the rest of us dummies. And that is if you are able to escape soul obliteration and/or recapture by the grey/reptilian 4th Reich and held in re-implantation stations awaiting the next available, designated physical body container.

I am not sure if I am joking or not.

[mab777]

hi JustOneMan,

I agree with you ...
The more I think/read on this subject, the more I see how much we are diverted from the subject. Soul loss and memory loss, one connected to another.

mab777

[ThePythonicCow]

As ex-broker Ann Barnhardt says here (and this is a MUST SEE video: great fun, and she calls it like it is in very graphic terms):[I]
Here's another great Barnhardt video -- it's over a year old now, but I hadn't noticed it before. This one is longer - over 2 hours - and goes into more detail in the economics and morality of our situation:
7bA_NbYSaGM

[TargeT]

she says that being anti-usary is anti-semitism? she says that interest is Moral and fundamental to economies and that "religion" is necessary (she infers that the only way to be moral is via religion) then she knocks Islam and Marxism.

she then goes to point out Mathew 25 to prove that Usury is condoned by Jesus (interesting, I had always thought it was the opposite, though only because of the "money lenders" story).

she calls for Execution of the current crop of "psychopathic" government and banking heads, and even names specific names; followed by some brimstone and fire abrahamic religion riled up statements.

about half way through she states the predecessor to Obama is the person to look out for, that maybe our first dictator.

she lists out the major banks asset to exposed derivatives and shows leverage numbers ranging from 35 to 545 times leveraged (asset to liability).

the top 25 banks in the US

Assets: 8.3 Trillion

Derivatives Exposure: 249 Trillion

30x leveraged.

the annual GDP of the United states is 15.5 Trillion.

she says you should exit the "system" now. (that was 2012).

Unfunded liabilities for the US is 225 Trillion over the next 75 years.



for all this doom and gloom, you'd think we would have seen something happen by now.

I mean I completely agree that the math is insane and the numbers don't make sense for an economy like this to continue... but where's the cliff? how long do you say "soon" for?

It was an interesting lecture, a bit long.

[Flash]

target, can the writing police be a little smaller please, When we get older, our eyesight is better at seeing small tiny things. thanks (teasing you of course) I made my text larger for you because you are younger.[/SIZE]

[skippy]

NEW YORK - Mon Feb 24, 2014

(Reuters) - S&P 500 rises to record, Nasdaq climbs to 14-year high.

So far, so good..

[778 neighbour of some guy]

As ex-broker Ann Barnhardt says here (and this is a MUST SEE video: great fun, and she calls it like it is in very graphic terms):[I]
Here's another great Barnhardt video -- it's over a year old now, but I hadn't noticed it before. This one is longer - over 2 hours - and goes into more detail in the economics and morality of our situation:
7bA_NbYSaGM


Suggestion to the viewers of this video.

Barron's Financial guides, Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms, it explains and defines over 5000 terms, covers stocks and bonds, banking, corporate finance, tax law, mutual funds and more, explains financial regulations as they relate to recent dramatic swings in equities markets, has instructive charts and diagrams, I bought the 2010 edition last year on a local book market for 4 euros and is very very helpful to me, at least it makes me somewhat more able to follow these sorts of video lectures and such.

ISBN-13:978-0-7641-4304-5
ISBN-10:0-7641-4304-2

www.barronsaduc.com

Perhaps that can help someone make more sense of the video in his/her own pace with the manual at hand.

[TargeT]

target, can the writing police be a little smaller please,

how small should these police be?

like this?
http://cl.jroo.me/z3/_/U/t/e/a.baa-Tiny-Little-Policeman.jpg

(haha, see what I did there?)


Honestly I wasn't a fan of hte video, I posted a summary of what I saw but didn't deem it that worthy so I small sized it ;)





portable water filters for backpacking

Sawyer, Sawyer, Sawyer, all of them at least filter 1 million gallons guaranteed I have 2, that's over 7.5 million liters, both filters weigh in( together at less then 200 grams), I am in Europe so paid more for them, still, only 150 Euro,s for over 7.5 million liters of clean water, its a bargain, I am a frigging water millionaire. BUY ONE.

I will trade you 5 gallons of water for two cans of baked beans or a loaf of bread, I'll water your garden if I can share in the harvest.


Now back to topic (though clean water is important enough that I don't consider it far off topic.)

Sorry;)

http://cdn1.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2014/02/lifestraw-1.jpg
each straw has a life-time of 1000 liters, that’s over one year worth of water consumption for one person. With all this in mind, one would think this system rings in heavy on the wallet. However, Vestergaard Frandsen made the cost of this technology its main feature, placing the LifeStraw at a price of only $20 USD

http://cdn2.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2014/02/tech.jpg
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/02/24/this-simple-affordable-technology-is-going-to-make-history-meet-the-lifestraw/

;)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

target, can the writing police be a little smaller please,

how small should these police be?

like this?
http://cl.jroo.me/z3/_/U/t/e/a.baa-Tiny-Little-Policeman.jpg

(haha, see what I did there?)


Honestly I wasn't a fan of hte video, I posted a summary of what I saw but didn't deem it that worthy so I small sized it ;)





portable water filters for backpacking

Sawyer, Sawyer, Sawyer, all of them at least filter 1 million gallons guaranteed I have 2, that's over 7.5 million liters, both filters weigh in( together at less then 200 grams), I am in Europe so paid more for them, still, only 150 Euro,s for over 7.5 million liters of clean water, its a bargain, I am a frigging water millionaire. BUY ONE.

I will trade you 5 gallons of water for two cans of baked beans or a loaf of bread, I'll water your garden if I can share in the harvest.


Now back to topic (though clean water is important enough that I don't consider it far off topic.)

Sorry;)

http://cdn1.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2014/02/lifestraw-1.jpg
each straw has a life-time of 1000 liters, that’s over one year worth of water consumption for one person. With all this in mind, one would think this system rings in heavy on the wallet. However, Vestergaard Frandsen made the cost of this technology its main feature, placing the LifeStraw at a price of only $20 USD

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http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/02/24/this-simple-affordable-technology-is-going-to-make-history-meet-the-lifestraw/

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I know, I have one too, but its actually a VERY expensive system Target, a thousand liters for 20 bucks, with a Sawyer that's about the same size all together you get 3.5 million liters for about 65 bucks, that's a huge difference, I have 4 systems a cheap crappy Chinese one ( 2000 liters, 35 bucks), two sawyer squeezes ( about 7.5 million liters guaranteed, 150 bucks in europe) and a Steripen Freedom ( 2000 liters UV disinfected and solar rechargeable) so I am good, but the sawyer system is amazing, really, sorry once again and back to topic;)

[ThePythonicCow]

she says that being anti-usary is anti-semitism? she says that interest is Moral and fundamental to economies and that "religion" is necessary (she infers that the only way to be moral is via religion) then she knocks Islam and Marxism.

she then goes to point out Mathew 25 to prove that Usury is condoned by Jesus (interesting, I had always thought it was the opposite, though only because of the "money lenders" story).

she calls for Execution of the current crop of "psychopathic" government and banking heads, and even names specific names; followed by some brimstone and fire abrahamic religion riled up statements.
You'll have to pardon me ... I've been filtering out religious view points for so long now I don't even notice. It began in high school in my small farming community, when the only social club was a meeting of teens held by some local church ... and I was already a firm atheist. It's amazing what mental gymnastics a young man is capable of, when all the good looking young ladies are in a room reading the Bible.

The key lesson which I was picking up from Barnhardt's video was the dramatic increase in swaps and derivatives. First it was the dot-com boom/bust, then the real estate boom/bust, and now it's plain as day that we are being setup for the swap/derivative boom/bust, and that this bust will trigger a world-wide depression, probably deliberately done with the intention of getting us to accept some more draconian "solution."

It would be like seeing a demolition team come in each night to the World Trade Center Twin Towers, planting explosives (if that's how they did it.) You don't know when ... but you do know that the day will come when you don't want to be in those buildings.



Suggestion to the viewers of this video.

Barron's Financial guides, Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms, it explains and defines over 5000 terms, ...
Good suggestion ... back in a prior phase of my life (on the inside of the dot-com boom) it was worth my while to learn such stuff. I'd probably still be working for a living but for that, instead of volunteering my time to one damn fine website/forum. Yes, Anne does throw the financial lingo around rather heavily. She's a hecka smart cookie, but still a bit young and lacking in the seasoning of the ages, as one learns (well, some of us learn) how diverse are the ways of understanding and awareness.

[TargeT]

we are being setup for the swap/derivative boom/bust, and that this bust will trigger a world-wide depression, probably deliberately done with the intention of getting us to accept some more draconian "solution."


oh yes, that seems very obvious, but at the same time; for some reason I think we aren't near the breaking point yet.. the pump and dump game still needs more pump (or maybe I'm just hoping that, my solar install isn't in yet and I need that for any type of crash :P haha).


the math is clear, the methods obscenely obvious, the "when"... that is the question, I still think we are in a "not yet" situation.. Maybe 2015 so it can smoothly transition (via panic and riots) from obama to whoever is chosen to win next.

[ThePythonicCow]

[but at the same time; for some reason I think we aren't near the breaking point yet..
Yeah - the timing is probably unknowable to us peons - until one second after.

And likely there will be a couple of surprise twists to the plot ... the bastards in power are quite good at such things.

Perhaps there won't even be a "one second after" ... perhaps this will be the slow boiling of frogs, Chinese water torture, all the way down.

[donk]

[but at the same time; for some reason I think we aren't near the breaking point yet..
Yeah - the timing is probably unknowable to us peons - until one second after.

And likely there will be a couple of surprise twists to the plot ... the bastards in power are quite good at such things.

Perhaps there won't even be a "one second after" ... perhaps this will be the slow boiling of frogs, Chinese water torture, all the way down.

It started long ago--the derivates thing, anyway--perhaps before 911, started to show the little bubbles in 2008, burying a bunch of the mess with AIG and Bear Stearns...now everything's leverage at least a ga-zillion times they don't even pretend anymore, the financial industry became like the Clinton military ("don't ask, don't tell"), or the Vatican last decade (I remember in about aught-five or six when it was big news they spent a billion defending baby rapers--I don't think the problem was completely solved though)...if you ignore the problem, the ADD masses will forget about it.

Seriously, I was convinced in about aught-three we were DOOMED...under the rules in place then (I don't think they've change ALL of them just yet) the math was way past the "breaking point"....I no longer believe we are "borrowed time" like I thought back then, now I'm more of a mind that it's all a big a joke, "they" wanted to see how much BS they can get away with, and found they can p!ss all over us forever, as long as they keep saying it is rain.

I don't think "collapse" will ever occur, not the way we imagine it. I don't believe there is even any "problems" within the game (at least, not to the decision makers). I believe the economy has been perfectly engineered to be EXACTLY what it is right now. And will be exactly how they want it to be, IF enough of us slaves make enough noise that the masses even start believing "the emperor has no clothes".

Sorry to be a cynic, but I been watching this nonsense too long. The economy has always just been a form of slavery, looking at from the economic media perspective and respecting the rules (and players) just feeds it. The thing I learned, is that the only real value in this world is in your relationships (stock up folks--I do believe shenanigans are immenent)...you're never going to prepare completely and correctly on your own.

[Lifebringer]

Bill w/ all the blood moons this year and earthquakes produced in the negative faction's minds, they created a chaotic situation, strumming the hate guitar for the last 13 years. There will be many that will react first, and not observe the situation for a true chance at freedom through escape or, avoiding them altogether. Low or no smoke, and cave dwellings or ditches dug with a black or brown tarp over them. We've got to do this without triggering the trigger happy programming of "feel not your brother or sister's pain, they are just insurgents, not Americans. It's a trap as sure as you can count to 3. Whip up the hate, cause mistrust in the masses by robbing them, and then play bully with anyone who will step to their faces. If you don't react to their stupidity, the fellow servicemen and women, will awaken in consciousness. If the reactions is shoot your fellow servicemembers (mothers against daughters, fathers and sons against mothers and daughters? Aren't we there already?

So we were given instructions by those before us, like Martin and a grievance can be expressed without bullets, if they choose to use an emergency"aka" meteors, asteroids, or sun radiation of solar winds, and made worse by Fukishima, it could really get ugly because all the big mouths that have been threatening to use their 2nd amendment rights and blood of tyrants speeches in the Midwest and south. You see you don't have to advertise, the revolution was not to be advertised. If it's truly a revolutions of revelations and prosecutions, then the anger has to be tamped down, to make them think, whatever the heck they are using to dumb people down, is working. I don't know how all of this is gonna play out, but it doesn't bode well to go against the US government, and there are a number of individual pushing up daisies now overseas, that tried it. WE must remain calm if "their bubble bursts. Anyone with common sense riding the Wall st bankster train, should know it's not gonna stay like this forever. They should be taking their money out, and buying metals that can be used for coin or jewelry that can also.

PA, not fear porning, but definitely concerned if anything hops off about our community. Time to utilize our peace of mind, in order to not be distracted and to stay focused and grounded to hold it down. It will be a bumpy ride, but like superchicken, we knew the job was dangerous when we took it. If we are here to be there for the survivors and aid others, than we just have to have faith, that like creator said, the negative energy will draw it to you. We were told to listen within to know when to be still/quiet. Perhaps the drawing a break away from the world in meditation, is a way they can't read our physical minds/ETgreys? They've evidently gotten to the top echelons of the Pentagon, and we the people should wait on our patriots to help prosecute and or drop the net on the bad guys by providing as much prosecutorial evidence to put them away from now until they are dust. They know their time is up, and the people are figuring things out. Their game has failed and as all psychotics go, they may try murder suicide on all they can, by causing dis-rest among the population over "Idol worship of the dollar or monetary system." Don't fall into it people. Take your stuff and buy what will be needed to travel light and stay warm outside the camps if they've planned that far.
They have dogs, so, whatever you gotta do or think about, remember every action, commands a reaction.