Are the majority here biased against the Bible?

[Crazy Louie]

To explain I believe the bible has some of man's ego in it - jesus did not find it important to write stuff down or keep a record - was he depending on the oral tradition surely he knew what would happen with it -- at times the bible almost seems like an problem when trying to gain insight -- however I think with spiritual discernment things can be gathered from it - nothing turns me off more than the letter of the law people - who say every word in the bible is directly from gods mouth --- I don't agree but I do agree with the overall underlying current I have found there - my history involves every expansion drug you could name including dmt - back in the day - having gone throught that all the god originated supernatural events - I believe totally the key is there in the words but not in the form of letter of the lawy but in the form of the spirit of the law - but on here I have noticed many have correctly reached a a viewpoint that a lot of the bible is ka ka - tainted by man's ego - and it seems that they stopped right there and looked for more fun interesting stuff to replace it -- a mish mash of so many wisdoms and philosophy the get lost in the tidal wave of information -- so I was just wondering - its is worth my while to include the bible in any of my posts here - to me discernment is always coming my way - having read the bible intensly in years past - things are in my soul that float to the top from time - called clarity insight - enlightenment what ever - but if I am wasting my thoughts on a closed minded already made up their mind person who thinks it silly dribble diatribe I see no reason to post what I learn. I am just trying to understand the flavor of this project avalon -- is the bible too boring and redundant to most of you - I would appreciate some help in understand and perhaps some insight from those that have been around on this site for awhile -- with all due respect thank you.

[ghostrider]

the problem is two fold, not many could read and write in that day... second , each time the spiritual teaching is brought to earth it is corrupted by those who are greedy for power and control ... we get half truths... the original teachings are much older, more like 12 billion years old from the nokodemjon spirit form ...

[Bubu]

get the good stuffs throw the garbage

[Snookie]

Hi Owl,

I think you'll find many of us on the forum would say that the bible has been messed with to one degree or another. Many valuable books or writings were purposely left out of the bible because they did not fit in with the dogma the controllers wanted to foist on mankind.

I have read the bible at least 3 times from beginning to end. From my perspective most of the old testament (not capitalized on purpose), deals with an entity who acts like a spoiled brat. I do not view this entity as "God", but as an advanced being who scared the $hit out of people in order for them to worship him. Any time the Isralites quit worshiping him, he'd throw a hissy fit.

I also don't believe that the entity that Jesus/Christ referred to as his father had any relationship to the god of the old testament.

[spiritguide]

If your experiences can be accredited to the holy book, a good explanation of how you perceive it would not be shunned, I believe. Speak freely and if others are offended then they can ignore the post. We all have a path to walk and yours is as good as anyone's. Never fear speaking your truth because it would put someone else off. IMHO

Peace!

[jagman]

The Bible is a sacred book Imo. I think the old testament throws alot of people off because
of Jehovah's anger.The world at that time was full of savages and very few good people.
When Jesus came he released us from Mosaic Law and left one commandment.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you,
that you also love one another.
If you follow that one commandment, you will find salvation with the Lord.

[ulli]

There is another chapter, revealed 150 years ago in a prison in Palestine.

Here is one quote:

Knowledge is as wings to man’s life, and a ladder for his ascent.
Its acquisition is incumbent upon everyone.
The knowledge of such sciences, however, should be acquired as can profit the peoples of the earth,
and not those which begin with words and end with words.
Great indeed is the claim of scientists and craftsmen on the peoples of the world….
In truth, knowledge is a veritable treasure for man,
and a source of glory, of bounty, of joy, of exaltation, of cheer and gladness unto him.
Thus hath the Tongue of Grandeur spoken in this Most Great Prison.
Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh

[Vitalux]

This sums up my opinion of the bible best :yo:

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af356/stuarburstphotography/the_planet_bible_in_the_garbagesm_zpsbd447a99.jpg (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/stuarburstphotography/media/the_planet_bible_in_the_garbagesm_zpsbd447a99.jpg.html)

[BrianEn]

The bible? Never gave it much thought really. Read some bits of it, but it's really a non-issue for me.

[Crazy Louie]

While Aileen Wuornos was on death row for 12 years she copied the bible by hand 5 times.
Yet when she died she was talking about coming back with jesus in flying saucers like the movie independance day.
I think she was mentally ill in all regards. I can't say - I don't know! She hand wrote the bible five times
but did she feel it? I think maybe the whole point of the bible and everything else is that we realize just how
murky everything is regarding knowing - and all we have left is hope that there really is a god
because we really want something good and clean and pure to bond with. Because for most of us
life has shown so many variations of ugly.

[Lost in Humanity]

I think we forget that "ALL" books, are penned by man. Therefore one should be aware of our tendency for interpretation, memory and imparting are subject to change. Even the "Ten Commandments" where an interpretation of a message for mankind. Any "Story" told is embellished in some way to reflect a personal understanding of what is to be passed on. After spending years listening to the local Catholic priest try to relate the gospel readings to modern life, I came to realise that the true path to understanding the messages intended comes ultimately from within you. So if your buried in the Christianity - New Testament/Bible, Judaism - Torah, Buddhism - Tripitakas, Hinduism - Bhagavad Gita, Zoroastrianism - Avesta, Islam - Qur'an (Koran), Baha'i Faith - Aqdas, and Kitab-i-Iqan looking for the Path of YOUR life, My advise is to look deep into your heart ask what example can I set as a template for Humanity. What Ideology would I like to write down for future generations to interoperate and model there lives on? And the Irony of our existence seems to be that insight is only gained when errors occur. That said it could be argued that the "Holy" book was penned by the devil himself upon reflection of his ways! in fact I think we all could write a "Bible" after living a materialistic capitalised life of the 21st Century Earth!

To those who would avail of it, I pledge my inner peace. Walk tall in the knowledge of your errors and the path you take will straighten before your eyes.

[Billy]

To explain I believe the bible has some of man's ego in it - jesus did not find it important to write stuff down or keep a record - was he depending on the oral tradition surely he knew what would happen with it --

The fact is that we do not really know if Jesus wrote down anything or not. Just Because there is not a gospel according to Jesus within the existing bible does not mean that his writings never existed.

Jesus i think relied on what we term as "scribes" to document the events of the times.
He was not relying on oral tradition alone,


But if I am wasting my thoughts on a closed minded already made up their mind person who thinks it silly dribble diatribe I see no reason to post what I learn. I am just trying to understand the flavor of this project avalon -- is the bible too boring and redundant to most of you - I would appreciate some help in understand and perhaps some insight from those that have been around on this site for awhile -- with all due respect thank you.

There are many flavors here on Avalon. Some for, some against. Some in the middle. But very few are closed minded. If you have something to share, most will listen. Maybe not agree and will say so, but listen with respect and open minds.

There are a few threads on bible topics here on Avalon.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFOs)

This is my own thoughts


Who are the 24 Elders, a revelation.

I do not believe that the bible or other religious scriptures are 100% gospel truth, but hidden in amongst the myre there are some gems of truths, And I would like to share what I believe to be one of those gems of truth.



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation

peace

[Prodigal Son]

The Bible is a mostly a compilation of much older texts, some of it "Divine" and some of it black magic. For example, the Old Testament was not written by "Moses" (the Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep III) whose tradition was oral but by Ezra after being exiled in Babylon, where he picked up all the nonsense about Jehovah (an ancient astronaut that switched off 95% of human DNA and enslaved the planet) and his animal sacrifices, providing the basis for the Christian dogma we have today - that the human race is hopelessly mired in "original sin" and is in need of a perfect human blood sacrifice. This is the thinking of Annunaki reptiles.

You might want to check out Mauro Biglino, the banished Vatican translator who exposes the word for word literal translation, that basically the entire OT is about UFO's and ancient aliens.

In the meantime, take out all the interpolated priesthood garbage for the control of the masses, and the bulk of the Bible, the "Divine" stuff I was talking about, was written by Kabbalists, and when aplied to the self rather than the world at large, it becomes an esoteric treatise in human awakening and contains all the secrets of the Elixir of Life. Check out Santos Bonacci's video on this.

I can't help but post this hysterical summary of the Bible in six short paragraphs, posted by some guy who calls himself "/b/"... I would put up the pic but it contains several profanities...

http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/b-explains-the-bible

[ulli]

Another quote from Baha'u'llah, where He puts the "born sinner" paradigm to rest:


"O SON OF SPIRIT! Noble have I created thee, yet thou hast abased thyself.
Rise then unto that for which thou wast created."

~Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah

[Carmody]

The thing to understand about books, is, if books survive generations ...then the books actually begin to genetically change the humans involved with the given book.

Eg, look at what the Talmud has done to genetic selection, over time, in the world Khazar-Ashkenazi genetic selection. Those who do not want to adhere to it, they step away. Those who do ahdhere, they stay and re-enforce, and breed within the group.

What the Koran has done to middle eastern bloodlines. Same again.

What the bible, in the various countries and geographic areas, has done to genetic selection among hard core Christians. Same again.

What the book of Mormon, has done to the genetics of Mormons. Same again.

Over time the trend is that the the book controls the expression of the people and the genetics, not the people.

Their genetics, and their fundamental expression as a being...over time, align with the book, and the book's expression.

The given priests and scholars of the given associated book, they try to make sure that they steer that expression. But, some aspects are out of their control, trending tells the tale, over time.

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The book, affecting all involved...... over time... is the core of the change in genetic expression, it NARROWS the given people into a filtered and blinkered existence, where failure and conflict with others...is the ultimate assured outcome.

Dogma is Death. Dogma is War. Dogma is failure to live.

Dogma is the binding and the creation of slavery into being the genetically blind.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I remember a comment I heard about the bible which really struck a chord with me. How fortuitous it was that God chose to become incarnate among the barely literate peasants in Roman Palestine rather than in the literate and sophisticated Chinese empire. If God had really had the whole planet to choose from and wanted his message to be more accurately passed down through the ages, China would have been a much better option. If, instead, the biblical narrative is really just an upwelling of ignorance and superstition among an uncouth gaggle of shepherds, then the appearance of God as Jesus in Roman Palestine begins to make more sense.

[Kalamos]

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[Kalamos]

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[conk]

You have to go back to the pagan's and what the Romans didn't want us to know about their beliefs, eh? Is that the good stuff left out?

[sheme]

The Bible is an historical tombe corrupted by the desires of mortal man, read it- that which resonates with your heart is meant for you, the rest is just mans manipulation. I dip in and out, as I gain more worldly information , more and more of it has meaning, more and more of it is shown to be manipulation by man. The 10 comandments of the original Bible text shown to man, and the 10 comandments from the dead sea scrolls are a perect example. Edmund Szekelys translation rocked me to my core!

[Kalamos]

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[Prodigal Son]

The Bible is an historical tombe corrupted by the desires of mortal man, read it- that which resonates with your heart is meant for you, the rest is just mans manipulation. I dip in and out, as I gain more worldly information , more and more of it has meaning, more and more of it is shown to be manipulation by man. The 10 comandments of the original Bible text shown to man, and the 10 comandments from the dead sea scrolls are a perect example. Edmund Szekelys translation rocked me to my core!

I FEEL there Is A $Hit-ton Of Esoteric instruction In Most Of It (Waiting To Be Interpreted Individually Even, Perhaps). In The Mean Time, For Anyone I'd Recommend Only Proverbs Psalms And The Gospel Of John (Maybe The Beginning=Genesis) ... Everything Else Is Almost worthless Mumbo Jumbo (Hey, ThIs Coming From AChristian??)

OWL, maybe We Could StaRt A GRoup To Discuss/InterPret Parts Or WhOle Over Time?
Take a look at the esoteric substance of just the Treatise in Gnostic Kabbalah that is the Book of Revelation .... the one Martin Luther didn't want in there... cuz "Reason is the Devil's Whore" :rofl:

Here's an online course for free...

http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/book-of-revelation.html

[Kalamos]

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[AlaBil]

Take a look at the esoteric substance of just the Treatise in Gnostic Kabbalah that is the Book of Revelation .... the one Martin Luther didn't want in there... cuz "Reason is the Devil's Whore"

Here's an online course for free...

http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/...evelation.html

Prodigal Son... Many thanks for this link. I've just started the Revelation course. There is LOTS of info on this site. Great link and thanks again.

[Veiled Rain]

What is the Bible?--As I always understood it--and was taught as a child(being raised in the Roman Catholic faith-it was many years before I awoke to the fallacy of the Bible)--The Greatest STORY ever Told--hm--now if that doesn't say it all

sto·ry
1 [stawr-ee, stohr-ee] Show IPA noun, plural sto·ries, verb, sto·ried, sto·ry·ing.
noun
1.
a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale.
2.
a fictitious tale, shorter and less elaborate than a novel.
3.
such narratives or tales as a branch of literature: song and story.
4.
the plot or succession of incidents of a novel, poem, drama, etc.: The characterizations were good, but the story was weak.
5.
a narration of an incident or a series of events or an example of these that is or may be narrated, as an anecdote, joke, etc.
Leaves very little room for misinterpretation in my view
Nowhere in the Bible--does it say this is a work of fact--nor does it say a work of fiction--I think it is purposely arranged that way--for each person to draw their own conclusion
parables and fables--I think I prefer definition 5
Speaks volumes(pardon the pun) wouldn't you say?
:doh:

[Bill Ryan]

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The Old Testament is so totally different from the New Testament, in so many ways, that the early second century theologian Marcion of Sinope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope) concluded that there were two Gods in the Bible, not one: the Old Testament fire-and-brimstone Jehovah, and the loving 'Christian' God described by Jesus.

Marcion was excommunicated for his troubles, but he had a point. Of interest is that one thesis of the Gnostics (as I understand it) is that the Old Testament Jehovah is not the real God at all, but is the Demiurge -- an impostor 'God' who is in no way really divine, and who actually presides over the Archons.

I published this elsewhere, but it's so funny it bears repeating. It says quite a lot about the relevance of the Old Testament to modern life.

The following was recently published on the net. On her radio show, 'Dr. Laura' [Schlesinger] had said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. Enjoy the following open letter (written by an American teacher):






Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman,

Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,
Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

P.S. (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian.)

[Vitalux]

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P.S. (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian.)


Bill you would have to first negotiate with the Queen of England, we are her slaves; we gave our oath. :ballchain:

[mischief]

haha, speak for yourself!

Back to the bible, I also spent alot of time reading it at least three times cover to cover as well as picking it up, flipping it open and reading the first thing that caught my eye.

Initially, I came to the conclusion that something was wrong with it when I relooked at a section that talked about Jesus going into some town and then leaving it again....ok so why put it in? I thought.
After that, I noticed more and more things that did not make sense- like god being angry that men had made horrible things part man part animal, for example and Moses wiping whole cities off the face of the earth????How could any sane God want him to do that?
I decided something was wrong with it, it wasnt true, too much didnt make sense, how come They used to be able to speak with the angels and now we are told if you hear voices that there must be something wrong with you, either demons or insanity.....
Then I found out that some council in Nicea(?) reviewed it and decided what could stay and what had to go...hmmm so it is not as it was when first written.

Now, I find things that in the past I thought were impossible only to find that scientists today are starting to do the same sort of things- Genetic engineering, artificial insemination, adding genes from one lifeform into the cells of another... I wonder what sort of culture really existed when some of this stuff was first written about. This surely would have to be far older than is acceptable by todays' Christians, or even those who follow Judaism- I'm basing that on accepting that somebody maybe god, got angry over what we now call genetic engineering. If this could be done in our times, is it possible there was actually an earlier civilization with the same capabilities?

I have found bits I can agree with, like Matthew saying to sort out the plank in your own eye before worrying about the actions of others.
There is alot that as others have already pointed out-ancient aliens, a petulant so called god.

Somewhere in the middle, is the truth.Whether we could ever sort it out is debatable, I think not.
I think it is more an ancient history of some famous family, combined with bits and pieces of later culture's rules and regulations.
For me personally as a woman, there was just way too much bias and abusive attitudes towards women and other lesser mortals to ever want this to be something to live my day to day life by.

Thanks to the ancient libraries in Alexandria being destroyed, there is so much history we no longer have access to that could have helped clear this up. What is true and what is just a work of fiction, much like you can now buy in any bookstore, in any city, in any country?

[Kalamos]

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[Prodigal Son]

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The Old Testament is so totally different from the New Testament, in so many ways, that the early second century theologian Marcion of Sinope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope) concluded that there were two Gods in the Bible, not one: the Old Testament fire-and-brimstone Jehovah, and the loving 'Christian' God described by Jesus.



It has been my mantra for a long time (and Jay Weidner agrees with me) that if you want to know what's true, all you have to do is to look at what is suppressed.

Jesus rebuked his disciples for suggesting they emulate Elijah, whose God apparently had an evil manner of spirit that was out to destroy rather than save....

Check out what they removed from the King James Bible (redacted words in bold):

Luke 9

54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Now look at the NIV, which is pretty much the same as every other version after the revisionists got to it in the late 19th century (i.e. Westcott & Hort)

54 When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?” 55 But Jesus turned and rebuked them. 56 Then he and his disciples went to another village.

When they separated the Bible into verses, they never made a complete verse out of a half-thought or incomplete sentence. Only in places where revisions took place... and in many cases, the entire verse was removed. One can learn so much from studying ALL the redactions from the KJV :)

[araucaria]

a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale.

Why are you quoting the dictionary at us, Veiled Rain? To point out that a story can be a "true" "narrative ... designed ... to instruct the hearer or reader"? :)

[Ultima Thule]

Well, regarding the old testament, Biglinos unexpected bible sure connects a lot of dots.
New testament would then be akin to not correcting the message but to delivering the right message. Which I guess has suffered dearly after that.

Regarding any book, I figure that the fundamental aspects of life have to be able to come up by a person living alone in an island, with no outside influences. Book should not be a necessity.

A book is how someone put it into writing, one should perhaps think of how one would put it into writing.
What kind of a book I would write would be more important than what kind of a book I would read.

UT

[greybeard]

Seems like its what you make of it.
For some its a great comfort--some are fundamentalists and use it as a weapon.

Kinesology muscle testing. used by the late Dr David Hawkins, came up with--Genesis/psalms/proverbs calibrated high--the rest of the Old Testament very low.
Revelations exceedingly low. The New Testament, high.
The teaching of Jesus was high to say the least.
However its up to the individual to take what they want and leave what they don’t.
Ps
Dr Hawkins claimed the book of Revelations was channelled from the lower astral.

Chris

[Veiled Rain]

a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale.

Why are you quoting the dictionary at us, Veiled Rain? To point out that a story can be a "true" "narrative ... designed ... to instruct the hearer or reader"? :)

We all know about stories--but honestly--how many of us have ever taken the opportunity or the desire to actually look up what a story is

The happenstance of explaining a meaning to a word we use in everyday thought serves if only to clarify
Debates over some topics are simply assinine
Does this forum not promote expression of elevated minds and souls?

Sorry to disappoint--but debate will have to look elsewhere
An opinion was expressed that is all

[soleil]

before reading other replies, i just have to say, i've never read the bible. but i feel biased against it still. i have been exposed to some things as written that was said by jesus that speaks to me...but other than that, id rather not read it because what else can it teach me?

[araucaria]

a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale.

Why are you quoting the dictionary at us, Veiled Rain? To point out that a story can be a "true" "narrative ... designed ... to instruct the hearer or reader"? :)

I am not here to be drawn into debates about semantics--just giving an opinion--and giving a definition of what most do not even consider.
We all know about stories--but honestly--how many of us have ever taken the opportunity or the desire to actually look up what a story is

The happenstance of explaining a meaning to a word we use in everyday thought serves if only to clarify
Debates over some topics are simply assinine
Does this forum not promote expression of elevated minds and souls?

Sorry to disappoint--but debate will have to look elsewhere
An opinion was expressed that is all
Just my little joke, hence the smiley, never mind

[Vitalux]

before reading other replies, i just have to say, i've never read the bible. but i feel biased against it still. i have been exposed to some things as written that was said by jesus that speaks to me...but other than that, id rather not read it because what else can it teach me?

I think at times what gets confusing is that there is in most minds a difference between spirituality and religion.
Christianity, in my opinion is Religion.


Avalon's motto in their title is " Where Science and Spirituality Meet"

Perhaps in light of recent posts, they may wish to change that motto title to " Jesus loves you" :noidea:

[grannyfranny100]

Owl
As greybeard so wisely says, "Seems like its what you make of it. For some its a great comfort--some are fundamentalists and use it as a weapon." I have seen it used as a weapon or game on other forums where Bible thumpers try to insert more Bible quotes than the other Bible thumper into a thread. I left Ben Fulford's forum because of such behavior.

As henrybowen suggests, "OWL, maybe We Could StaRt A GRoup To Discuss/InterPret Parts Or WhOle Over Time?" Sounds like a good idea for people who prefer to focus their spiritual quest on one religious text. If you have the ancient language skills to discuss original versions, I am sure scholarly forums exist on the web.

I prefer this forum because members come from diverse religious backgrounds and their expressed spiritual views do not rely on quoting text but on internalized wisdom.

[Camilo]

Biased ?....not at all. Realistic?....YES!

[donk]

Watch (or better yet, read) The Book of Eli:

-YjOI6nkjKo

Built around nuggets of truth, with each version/translation a little bit more twisted...it can (and has) been used as tool of control.

It's powerful, and with great power comes great responsibility...that's hidden, and so too many read (or use) it without discernment...that's where the anti-bible biases come from.

(and pretty much what carmody said)

[irmensul13]

Yeah,I watched this film only last night..afterwards I realised that the main character is actually BLIND (like Eli in the bible),which is why he had a braille bible & only attacked when he could hear stuff..its much better if you know that..its got a lot of holes but the main one is why didn't they make his eyes up to look milky white?
btwhttp://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/Tim_Tempest/1187266_711042432243308_1180207243_n_zps6425870f.jpg

[jiminii]

the original book is called THE BOOK OF JOB and it is a veda that came from India. Where is all the reincarnation. There are a lot of vedas but they picked this one and rewrote it without the reincarnation, because they wanted to control people they put in the idea of the devil which the persians used to control their people.
New testement came from parts of Hymn of the Dawn Child, and Tibetian Book of the Dead all rearranged to fit their agenda of a controlled religion

jim

[Lettherebelight]

I am not biased against the Bible, people find spiritual inspiration to pursue their relationship with God, and that is beneficial for them. The tendency presently, is to negate the existence of God, 'there is no God' 'I am God', etc. rather than pursue their relationship with God.

The Book of Job was not a Veda. Perhaps bits and pieces were derived there from, but I don't recall reading any similar story.

Best not to deride the Bible here publicly, as I am sure there are some members who have great love and respect for it. I hope that doesn't sound negative to the OP, it's just that I believe in respecting the faith of others.

I'm not against religion, only the hypocrisy and politics in the name of it.

[jiminii]

I am not biased against the Bible, people find spiritual inspiration to pursue their relationship with God, and that is beneficial for them. The tendency presently, is to negate the existence of God, 'there is no God' 'I am God', etc. rather than pursue their relationship with God.

The Book of Job was not a Veda. Perhaps bits and pieces were derived there from, but I don't recall reading any similar story.

Best not to deride the Bible here publicly, as I am sure there are some members who have great love and respect for it. I hope that doesn't sound negative to the OP, it's just that I believe in respecting the faith of others.

I'm not against religion, only the hypocrisy and politics in the name of it.

This was written by LRH so maybe you should check your sources. LRH gets data from the histories of all the millions of people that gets audited in Scientology. So it gets a better history because it comes right out the the persons own memories not something someone else would alter to protect it.

I would rather believe something traced back by people going in their past lives and seeing for themselves than going by history rewritten for us to satisfy their agenda to make slaves of us VIA religion

jim

[Lettherebelight]

With respect, 'better history' according to L Ron Hubbard is your perception, not necessarily everyone else's.

[jiminii]

With respect, 'better history' according to L Ron Hubbard is your perception, not necessarily everyone else's.

when you audit people you have to take them back to the first incident of some chain of incidents. Like getting hit with baseballs. everyone has something that keeps hitting them some problem that keeps coming back.

well you take it back to the first incident and you have to run the first incident until the exact truth of it is found or the incident or chain of incidents don't vanish.

A guy gets hit with a baseball and someone yells, "run run run you're safe" and he hits his arm on the stands when he falls, and the clouds are gray. So he gets in similar situations and feels like he has to run to be safe and has pain in his arm.

next time he gets hit with a baseball and someone yells, "Stop you're out" and now when he gets in a similar situation he gets a migraine headache because he doesn't know if he should run or stop to be safe.

you see you have to run what is there exactly the truth of it to make it vanish. AND this has been proven over time. People LRH audited in the 1950's were old an died and now are teenagers and we find out that what was run on them and vanished was done in their immediate past life.

You want to prove more data these teenagers can give you details and who there parents and family were and exact things that happened that can be proven.

OK so this proves reincarnation is a fact. Your bible doesn't agree to that. we know where spirit beings go when they die and we know when they came to this planet.

these are recorded in them. The tech works because it vanishes the problem

so it is very well provable like going to the meditranean and finding sites that were buried that had some kind of ruins from the past and they wrote down what they would find when they found these sites and what was in the ruins and all this stuff was where the person being audited said it was.

So if you can show me how any of the data that has passed down all these years is WITHOUT A DOUBT PROVABLE and NOT been altered by the PTB then please present it.

I am saying the time track of each person is a 25 picture a second recording of everything that has happened to that person. It IS provable,

reading what someone else said 2000 years ago or more is NOT PROVABLE because you can not prove time place and event.

you can only believe what someone said.

You wonder why the PTB spent more money than they have ever spent on any other project using the government and everything they could throw at us to try to bring down the Church of Scientology was the fact they could not hypnotize someone on drugs or anything else that we couldn't find the truth about.

They were literally terrified they would be discovered for their illegal actions against the society.

but it is ok everyone is free to choose there own path.

But this is the reason why I don't follow the path of christianity, and this is the fact that THEY CAN NOT DELIVER WHAT THEY PROMISE.

When you die, there is no heaven or hell that you go to. but there IS an implant station somewhere on the planet you will go to have your memories scrambled again and convinced you are nothing but a human body or that you must live in one. The end result is this, you just end up back here.

You don't have to believe this but then when you die you will really know for sure and then it will be too late.

jim

[Mike]

this is from Bill Maher's 'Religulous' documentary. pretty funny take on God, the Bible, Religion etc...

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[irmensul13]

Yah,I hope my picture didn't offend anybody,but this is a forum for people to put their views..religions a subject that people feel strongly for or against..
The difference between christians & non christians is that no christians tend to think for themselves & also don't go round trying to force their beliefs onto others
I find what Jimini says very interesting,could you possibly provide me with a link to some stuff that supports reincarnation? I have read Jim.Tucker & Ian Stevenson & so on & I am 100% certain that reincarnation occurs..
Also fascinating about the possible Vedic origin for the book of Job..I have started looking at the Vedas recently..

[jiminii]

Yah,I hope my picture didn't offend anybody,but this is a forum for people to put their views..religions a subject that people feel strongly for or against..
The difference between christians & non christians is that no christians tend to think for themselves & also don't go round trying to force their beliefs onto others
I find what Jimini says very interesting,could you possibly provide me with a link to some stuff that supports reincarnation? I have read Jim.Tucker & Ian Stevenson & so on & I am 100% certain that reincarnation occurs..
Also fascinating about the possible Vedic origin for the book of Job..I have started looking at the Vedas recently..

I don't know where the original veda is. Seems the planet got flooded one time and when the water settled these survivors ended up on the Ural Mountains between asia and europe.

the one's that went west learned how to survive by delivering a hard blow since there was a lot of animals and forest they found.

the one's that went east found frozen mountains and deserts and very hard to find ways to survive learned how to endure suffering and can endure hardships. So these people learned how to think there way through problems and wrote all the books.

The west never wrote anything and were basically barbarians

so these books started coming from the eastern countries and they were the original books people were getting all there inspiration from. so what ever came out of it is what is here. It could be true or not.

Only real way to find out is go to the Free Zone Org and Bill has downloaded all the books and tapes somewhere on this site you can learn a lot from those tapes

jim

[1 flew over]

I find what Jimini says very interesting,could you possibly provide me with a link to some stuff that supports reincarnation? .

Here are some books on reincarnation that are fairly popular Many lives Many Masters by Brian Weiss where as a counselor working with a patient, she started running a past life and in session ran into the between lives area and brought back info about the Weiss’s son who had passed away. Weiss had his life changed. Another one that I have read is Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. He is also a Psychiatrist that uses hypnosis and found many of his patients have recall memories of the between lives area.

Another that I read 30 years ago is Have you lived before this life by L. Ron Hubbard you can Google the title and download a free pdf and read it from that. I found it a very informative read.

There is also many different videos on youtube on reincarnation. This is a link to get you started http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0B4V_kowo

I follow the saying that past lives are not a matter of belief but of awareness.
Another saying that I live by is that we are a spiritual being having a human experience.

Disagreement about what is eternal life with my minister when I was going through confirmation was one of the reasons that I left religion.

I Hope something in this helps you on your journey.


May your God be with You
1 Flew Over

[jiminii]

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/docs/39_job.pdf

dating the book of job

To be clear, Stephen Franklin believes that there was also a 12-month calendar with twelve
named months in use all along and that the double counting of the years that is evident in the
biblical accounts was probably due to editorial or translational error. I am personally less certain
that there was a 12-month year originally because there are only four named months that are referred
to throughout the Old Testament of the Bible and because the ancients of other civilizations are
rumored to have lived prolonged lives as well (e.g. the “Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors”
of China4
) and because I am convinced, primarily by Walter Brown’s book “In The Beginning:
Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood”, that the earth before the flood was a tropical
paradise world-wide without seasons of hot summer and cold winter (hence there would have been
no strong reason to distinguish between the two equinoxes as beginning two distinct halves of one
cycle/year).

[jiminii]

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/docs/39_job.pdf

dating the book of job

To be clear, Stephen Franklin believes that there was also a 12-month calendar with twelve
named months in use all along and that the double counting of the years that is evident in the
biblical accounts was probably due to editorial or translational error. I am personally less certain
that there was a 12-month year originally because there are only four named months that are referred
to throughout the Old Testament of the Bible and because the ancients of other civilizations are
rumored to have lived prolonged lives as well (e.g. the “Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors”
of China4
) and because I am convinced, primarily by Walter Brown’s book “In The Beginning:
Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood”, that the earth before the flood was a tropical
paradise world-wide without seasons of hot summer and cold winter (hence there would have been
no strong reason to distinguish between the two equinoxes as beginning two distinct halves of one
cycle/year).

LRH's lecture "the free being" he demonstrated the power of a spirit being.

LRH said, "what if one of these OT's (creators) got angry one day and just pulled the air cover off the planet. This would put the planet into minus 270 C. This would freeze and entire elephant in less than 60 seconds", (he stated in order to preserve a life form you would have to freeze it in less than 60 seconds)

he talks about the mamoths in siberia where the meat is so fresh the explorers would cook steaks made of it.

the LRH said, "and then he flipped the planet into a reverse spin and this flipped it off it's axis"

we now find frozen apple trees in antartica

so the planet was perfect aligned with the sun so the poles had sunlight 24 hours a day, and the sun was rising from the West not the East.

This is what those in the future and also those presently want to do with the planet. They want to realign it with the sun.

the thing is I decided to do it without damaging it too much.

I got from that ethereal communication that they agreed to it.


jim

[irmensul13]

Thanks Jim,1flew,yeah I have read Michael Newton..well I read the first one & I have the second one but I prefer Stevenson's scientific-ish approach tbh..Tucker..
Interim memories are great,my favourite is the Shanti Devi one where tells what happened between lives,they processed her quite quick & then she had to wait to be reborn- she speaks about a room with a very bad smell coming from it,thy took her in there & found her a clean place to lie down..to await rebirth..

[Violet]

Hello Owl

The physical tampering that can be done to a document composed just this morning is far worse than what could possibly have happened to some ancient hand-written books - especially those that so many were watching so closely...but I can't prove that physically.

The corruption, I think, lies in the omitting of parts or misrepresenting interpretations to the (then) illiterate masses.

Another problem (especially with claims of physical tampering) is: locating the corruption. Which part is corrupted and which part still is original? Therefore, should the whole book be dismissed?

Some people wonder if Jesus even existed at all.

I personally find it intriguing that Moses was in Egypt and Jesus in Bethlehem, yet they say identical things.