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Vitalux
30th August 2013, 01:44
I know this is a rather dated article but I thought many might not be aware of it.

As our school history books told us, as well as most mainstream history media, Hitler killed himself.

But apparently evidence shows that the truth could be quite a bit different :noidea:


Tests on skull fragment cast doubt on Adolf Hitler suicide story (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment)

Tests on skull fragment cast doubt on Adolf Hitler suicide story
Bone with bullet hole found by Russians in 1946 came from an unknown woman, not the German leader


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A general view of what Russian officials claim to be a fragment of Adolf Hitler's skull, at an exhibition in Moscow, Wed April 26, 2000. Photograph: Mikhail Metzel/AP


In countless biographies of Adolf Hitler the story of his final hours is recounted in the traditional version: committing suicide with Eva Braun, he took a cyanide pill and then shot himself on 30 April 1945, as the Russians bombarded Berlin.

Some historians expressed doubt that the Führer had shot himself, speculating that accounts of Hitler's death had been embellished to present his suicide in a suitably heroic light. But a fragment of skull, complete with bullet hole, which was taken from the bunker by the Russians and displayed in Moscow in 2000, appeared to settle the argument.

Until now. In the wake of new revelations, the histories of Hitler's death may need to be rewritten – and left open-ended. American researchers claim to have demonstrated that the skull fragment, secretly preserved for decades by Soviet intelligence, belonged to a woman under 40, whose identity is unknown. DNA analyses performed on the bone, now held by the Russian State Archive in Moscow, have been processed at the genetics lab of the University of Connecticut. The results, broadcast in the US by a History Channel documentary, Hitler's Escape, astonished scientists.

According to Connecticut archaeologist and bone specialist Nick Bellantoni, it was clear from the outset that something was amiss. "The bone seemed very thin; male bone tends to be more robust," he said. "And the sutures where the skull plates come together seemed to correspond to someone under 40." In April 1945 Hitler turned 56.

Bellantoni had flown to Moscow to inspect the gruesome Hitler trophies at the State Archive, which included the skull fragment as well as bloodstains from the bunker sofa on which Hitler and Braun were believed to have committed suicide. He was allowed only one hour with the Hitler trove, during which time he applied cotton swabs and took DNA samples. "I had the reference photos the Soviets took of the sofa in 1945 and I was seeing the exact same stains on the fragments of wood and fabric in front of me, so I knew I was working with the real thing."

The samples were then flown back to Connecticut. At the university's centre for applied genetics, Linda Strausbaugh closed her lab for three days to work exclusively on the Hitler project. "We used the same routines and controls that would have been used in a crime lab," she said. To her surprise, a small amount of viable DNA was extracted. She then replicated this through a process known as molecular copying to provide enough material for analysis. "We were very lucky to get a reading, despite the limited amount of genetic information," she said.

The result was extraordinary. According to witnesses, the bodies of Hitler and Braun had been wrapped in blankets and carried to the garden just outside the Berlin bunker, placed in a bomb crater, doused with petrol and set ablaze.

But the skull fragment the Russians dug up outside the Führerbunker in 1946 could never have belonged to Hitler. The skull DNA was incontestably female. The only positive physical proof that Hitler had shot himself had suddenly been rendered worthless. The result is a mystery reopened and, for conspiracy theorists the tantalising possibility that Hitler did not die in the bunker.

For decades after the war the fate of Hitler's corpse was shrouded in secrecy. No picture or film was made public. As the Soviet Army secured control of Berlin in May 1945, Russian forensic specialists under the command of the counterintelligence unit Smersh (an acronym for "Death to Spies") dug up what was presumed to be the dictator's body outside the bunker and performed a post-mortem examination behind closed doors. A part of the skull was absent, presumably blown away by Hitler's suicide shot, but what remained of his jaw coincided with his dental records, a fact reportedly confirmed when the Russians showed his surviving dental work to the captured assistants of Hitler's dentist. The autopsy also reported that Hitler, as had been rumoured, had only one testicle.

But Stalin remained suspicious. In 1946 a second secret mission was dispatched to Berlin. In the same crater from which Hitler's body had been recovered, the new team found what it believed was the missing skull fragment with a bullet exit wound through it. The Russians also took fragments of Hitler's bloodstained sofa.

Even this failed to satisfy Stalin, who clamped a secrecy order on all matters related to Hitler's death. Unknown to the world, Hitler's corpse was interred at a Smersh centre in Magdeburg, East Germany. There it remained long after Stalin's death in 1953. Finally, in 1970, the KGB dug up the corpse, cremated it and secretly scattered the ashes in a river. Only the jawbone, the skull fragment and the bloodstained sofa segments were preserved in the deep archives of Soviet intelligence. The bunker was destroyed in 1947 and eventually paved over. Then, in 2000, the Russian State Archive in Moscow staged an exhibition, The Agony of the Third Reich. The skull fragment was displayed, but only photographs of Hitler's jawbone were on view. The head of the archive, Sergei Mironenko, said he had no doubt the skull fragment was authentic. "It is not just some bone we found in the street, but a fragment of a skull that was found in a hole where Hitler's body had been buried," he said.

In the wake of Bellantoni and Strausbaugh's findings, Mironenko's confidence was clearly misplaced. But could the fragment of skull belong to Eva Braun, who died at 33 and was laid alongside her beloved Führer in the same crater? "We know the skull corresponds to a woman between the ages of 20 and 40," said Bellantoni, but he is sceptical about the Braun thesis. "There is no report of Eva Braun having shot herself or having been shot afterwards. It could be anyone. Many people were killed around the bunker area."

Sixty-four years later, the world is still in the dark about what really happened in Hitler's bunker on 30 April 1945.



Perhaps one day, when the veil of propaganda is lifted and our history has not been so distorted by lies, propaganda and deception we might come to find that Hitler was probably one of the greatest men in the history of the world. :noidea:

After all, we know what we have been taught about him being a monster is quite false :confused:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBhWsDGTimI

Kalamos
30th August 2013, 02:12
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Mulder
30th August 2013, 09:37
Also, its known Hitler had many look-a-likes and he never appeared in person at mass rallies, to give his great speeches after 1943.

So he could have recorded radio messages anywhere and not even been in Berlin in person at the end of the war.

Prodigal Son
30th August 2013, 11:48
When "debunkers" jump up and down calling it "2000 percent rubbish!" ... you know there's some real substance to the story. It's not good enough for them to just say "It isn't true", because you're really getting under their skin and striking a nerve :)

Hitler was a Rothschild by rape and was anointed to carry out his mission at the Thule Society. Hitler made several tactical blunders going against all his generals on both fronts that cost Germany the war, not the least of which was allowing the trapped British army at Dunkirk to escape, prolonging the war and ensuring maximum casualties and war profit$... Another was diverting his troops to Leningrad to cut off the Russian Army's oil supply instead of moving straight ahead for a complete annihilation of Moscow.... his troops ended up bogged down in an early winter onslaught that was probably an act of God, and were seriously weakened, allowing the Russians to bring in winter-ready troops from Siberia to turn the table on the Germans.

There is no reason on earth not to believe they didn't fake his death and reward him for serving the globalist warmongers well....

Did Hitler and Eva Braun flee Berlin and die (divorced) of old age in Argentina?

Rumours suggest the couple fled to South America by submarine
Claims have been ridiculed as '2,000 per cent rubbish'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050137/Did-Hitler-Eva-Braun-flee-Berlin-die-old-age-Argentina.html

Roisin
30th August 2013, 12:02
Germany's slide to defeat was a long enough one for Hitler to plan and then execute his escape. Of course, I'm only guessing on this but if it was not his body that was found at that bunker, it wouldn't surprise me. Over the years, the general consensus among those I've ever talk to about this topic was of the sentiment that Hitler escaped to somewhere in South America, just like the rest of them did too.

Prodigal Son
30th August 2013, 12:09
Germany's slide to defeat was a long enough one for Hitler to plan and then execute his escape. Of course, I'm only guessing on this but if it was not his body that was found at that bunker, it wouldn't surprise me. Over the years, the general consensus among those I've ever talk to about this topic was of the sentiment that Hitler escaped to somewhere in South America, just like the rest of them did too.

Hitler had very close ties to the Vatican... his advisor and Vice-Chancellor in 1933-34, Franz Von Papen was an honorary Papal Chamberlain who made a Concordat for Hitler with the Pope... and so we all know about the Ratlines.... not a theory, but a fact of history.

One thing about Wiki, it may be censored, but you can still put together a good enough case from it to hang the entire cabal from the light poles in Times Square...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_%28World_War_II%29

Roisin
30th August 2013, 12:31
Thanks P.Son, I'll check that out! Very interesting!

Also, one thing the naysayers of that incident, in the link below, conveniently leave out is that those Nazis who were at that bunker during those last few days and hours... is that most of them were partying and drinking heavily during that time. My understanding of this is that this is well documented. That those historians are basing their information about Hitler's suicide from people who were severely intoxicated via alcohol and drug use at the time when it happened, who also survived it too, is inexcusable!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Argentina.html