NZ Astronomer debunks M. Masters: There is no brown dwarf star ("Planet X") in our solar system

[giovonni]

For your inspection ...

From ~ Alfred Lambremont Webre

NZ Astronomer debunks M. Masters: There is no brown dwarf star ("Planet X")
in our solar system

David Greg has provided a written summary of his analysis in the ExopoliticsTV interview as follows...
with article and references here > http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2013/09/nz-astronomer-there-is-no-brown-dwarf-star-planet-x-in-our-solar-system.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnm16JrTRiM&list=UUCdKpI-Icpmkgwtz7tW3l6g

[Bill Ryan]

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David Greg is incorrect, and presumably is not on the 'inside'.

We may not know the details (and researchers may not have nailed it exactly yet) -- but Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (real name Arthur Neumann) told us that when he was working on a classified project within NOAA, the 'second sun' was openly discussed, and was being tracked. Henry seemed to be surprised that Kerry and I jumped on him so hard for more information about it. He seemed to think that 'surely everyone already knew about this'.

[giovonni]

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David Greg is incorrect, and presumably is not on the 'inside'.

We may not know the details (and researchers may not have nailed it exactly yet) -- but Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (real name Arthur Neumann) told us that when he was working on a classified project within NOAA, the 'second sun' was openly discussed, and was being tracked. Henry seemed to be surprised that Kerry and I jumped on him so hard for more information about it. He seemed to think that 'surely everyone already knew about this'.

Thanks Bill ...

Note i always enjoy all the intrigue... And even though this interview contains some interesting insights ... i am in accord with your post ... And totally believe 'something' is out there ?

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnm16JrTRiM

"Published on Sep 1, 2013
NZ Astronomer debunks Marshall Masters: There is no brown dwarf star ("Planet X") in our solar system

New Zealand astronomer David Greg deconstructs claim that photo taken from airliner on flight from El Salvador to Peru is Brown Dwarf star system

Alleged Brown Dwarf star system image shown to be camera flares

Planet X" researcher Marshall Masters and team's claims are refuted beyond a reasonable doubt

Astronomer states Comet ISON is a normal comet, with no anticipated "catastrophic effects"

By Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd

VANCOUVER, BC -- In an in-depth ExopoliticsTV interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre, New Zealand astronomer David Greg has refuted beyond a reasonable doubt the claims made by "Planet X" researcher Marshall Masters and his team that the Brown Dwarf star system is in our inner solar system and on a trajectory for a cataclysmic flyby of Earth in the 2015-16 timeframe.

Based on his research shown in the interview, Mr. Greg states, "There is no brown dwarf star in our solar system." Mr. Greg continues, "The nearest known brown dwarf is 6.5 light years away, further away than our nearest 'other' star most commonly know as 'Alpha Centauri' (Rigel Kentaurus), which is 4.3 light years away. If a brown dwarf were within our solar system, it would certainly reflect visible light from the Sun and would be at least as easily visible in the sky as Saturn or Mars. If it were within our inner solar system (within the orbit of Mars), it would be unmistakable. Again, brown dwarfs are only 'invisible' to us in visible light because of their vast distance away from our Sun."

David Greg concludes, "From my analysis of Jorge Urena's photos in Marshall Master's video, I can conclude without any doubt that the "orbs" of light in the photo at 1829 hours can not possibly be Venus and Jupiter, as they are too close to the Sun and the position of Mercury is wrong. I am satisfied that Jorge Urena did in fact photograph the planetary conjunction at 2000 hours, but Marshall Masters' 'Planet X' object" is not a real object, it is just a type of lens flare.""

[Hazel]

for what its worth..

late last year I had one of those anomalous experiences that leaves me open to believe that 2 suns are indeed 'out there':

One morning at sunrise I sat down at my desk and as I glanced out of the window (just after sunrise) to where the sun rises on the horizon over the sea... l took a double take / nae several relooks as for at least a couple of minutes I saw 2 suns in close proximity to eachother. At first I tried to correct my vision.. thinking l was somehow cross-eyed. But I was as certain as l could be that this was not the case.. as you can imagine since that time I have wondered at what I saw. I have seen earth changes with my minds eye several times in the last few years.. but this incident was quite direct / as in normal vision?!

Make of it what you will.. its an imprint on my retina that I will never forget..

[Mu2143]

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[giovonni]

for what its worth..

late last year I had one of those anomalous experiences that leaves me open to believe that 2 suns are indeed 'out there':

One morning at sunrise I sat down at my desk and as I glanced out of the window (just after sunrise) to where the sun rises on the horizon over the sea... l took a double take / nae several relooks as for at least a couple of minutes I saw 2 suns in close proximity to eachother. At first I tried to correct my vision.. thinking l was somehow cross-eyed. But I was as certain as l could be that this was not the case.. as you can imagine since that time I have wondered at what I saw. I have seen earth changes with my minds eye several times in the last few years.. but this incident was quite direct / as in normal vision?!

Make of it what you will.. its an imprint on my retina that I will never forget..



Perhaps an intuitive Affirmation ... :thumb:

[Wind]

What about Bob Dean's predictions?

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[samvado]

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David Greg is incorrect, and presumably is not on the 'inside''.

well, science is a bitch. of course Greg is 100% correct in what he has debunked.
I did sit thru the entire 1 hour but I could not find anything even worth critizising in his argument.

it may be worth remembering what Bill Ryan stated in 2010:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1523-Deaglegate/page4



However, I do totally accept that the hypothesis of its existence must become testable fairly soon in the Amateur Astronomer community. We're not going to be having this debate forever... sooner or later either it will appear, or it clearly won't.

that was April 2010

Bill asumed Deagle to be correct that this "brown dwarf" was near Jupiter THEN. Now what?
Has it not moved since then?

I did state then and I repeat it here: a brown dwarf, being by definition BIGGER than Jupiter would be VISIBLE with very cheap equippment, if not the naked eye in a clear night or from mountain tops. Even if it emits only infra red it does REFLECT visible light from the sun.

But much more important: its gravitational pull would be OBVIOUS by now. Totally and unavoidably obvious to ANY astronomer (hobby or otherwise) on the southern hemisphere. Remember: in the early 1900 the "planet" pluto was discovered by observing irregularities of the Neptun orbit.

Today we have many more observers, Jupiter is MUCH CLOSER and a brown dwarf is MUCH HEAVIER than pluto.

There is no brown dwarf - at least not anywhere near the pluto orbit or inside it.

as an afterthought: planets in solar systems many lightyears from us are now discovered using gravitational irregularities of relatively small bodies (planets) on the central star. Dont you think we might be able to pull that off inside our own system?

and another afterthought: apprently we have a "secret space-fleet" as of McKinnon and others (I do give him credit and believe we do have fasterthan-light travel).
BUT if we already have THAT why do we need this south pole telescope? if a brown dwarf was to be observed a space based platform would be much more efficient.

If the **** hits the fan here on earth I think it may be due to a "galactic superwave" or maybe passing thru a "photon ring" or something not easily detectable with regular physics apparatus. Or a unpredictable solar event, or a new ice age (which apparently is overdue). We really dont need that "planet X" stuff to be concerned :spy:

[ktlight]

Mu2143 , "it is not a brown dwarf ,but a red dwarf."

Interesting comment! If a red dwarf were where the brown dwarf was claimed to be, would it be visible in a lesser way than a brown dwarf?

"A red dwarf is a small and relatively cool star on the main sequence, either late K or M spectral type. Red dwarfs range in mass from a low of 0.075 solar masses (the upper limit for a brown dwarf) to about 50% of the Sun and have a surface temperature of less than 4,000 K.

Red dwarfs are by far the most common type of star in the Milky Way galaxy, at least in the neighborhood of the Sun, but due to their low luminosity, individual red dwarfs cannot easily be observed. From Earth, not one is visible to the naked eye.[1] Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun, is a red dwarf (Type M5, apparent magnitude 11.05), as are twenty of the next thirty nearest. According to some estimates, red dwarfs make up three-quarters of the stars in our galaxy.[2]

Stellar models indicate that red dwarfs with less than 35% of the Sun's mass are fully convective.[3] Hence the helium produced by the thermonuclear fusion of hydrogen is constantly remixed throughout the star, avoiding a buildup at the core. Red dwarfs therefore develop very slowly, having a constant luminosity and spectral type for, in theory, some trillions of years, until their fuel is depleted. Because of the comparatively short age of the universe, no red dwarfs of advanced evolutionary stages exist."
Taken from Wikipedia

[marlowe]

I don't believe the New Zealand astronomer .......There were to many astronomers

murdered or mysteriously dead who were looking into Planet X,,,,imho

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61ro2qsoL4

[Bill Ryan]

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David Greg is incorrect, and presumably is not on the 'inside''.

well, science is a bitch. of course Greg is 100% correct in what he has debunked.
I did sit thru the entire 1 hour but I could not find anything even worth critizising in his argument.



Me neither. It seems to have been an interesting coincidence (a real one!) that the lens flares were in exactly the right position to match the conjunction of Venus and Jupiter. (Readers here will probably need to watch the whole, rather ponderous video to understand this.) I can see that the sun seems to have been "in the wrong position" for the claimed conclusion.

David Greg may have made an effective counter-argument to Marshall Masters' interpretation of the photos taken from the plane window on the way to Peru.

But that doesn't address anything else that's been competently reported about the issue since way back in 1983, when it was written about in the Washington post and the New York Times -- before it quickly disappeared from the mainstream. I'm 100% sure that Henry Deacon was telling us what he knew truthfully, back in 2006. And Italian journalist Cristoforo Barbato's information (Barbato was told a very great deal by a Jesuit Priest who contacted him) -- reported to us and others by fellow-Italian investigator Luca Scantamburo -- cannot be blithely dismissed:

http://projectcamelot.org/luca_scantamburlo.html

Do watch this entire two part interview. After the release of our video, Luca's family was threatened and he became very concerned. He remains convinced that he was reporting on something very real. Where the object is right now, I don't know. As best I'm aware and can remember, Bill Deagle has always said that the object would start to affect us round about 2017, as did both Bob Dean and 'Jake Simpson'.

We may have to wait a little while longer to settle the discussion. Our opinions don't affect whether it really exists or not!

:)

[Bill Ryan]

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For reference (see my post immediately above: 1983 newspaper articles from the Washington Post and the New York Times):

http://projectavalon.net/New_York_Times_30_Jan_1983_Planet_X_sm.gif

http://projectavalon.net/Planet_X_Washington_Post_1983_p1_sm.jpg

High resolution files:


http://projectavalon.net/New_York_Times_30_Jan_1983_Planet_X.gif



http://projectavalon.net/Planet_X_Washington_Post_1983_p1.gif

[Atlas]

"Planet X- Is It Really Out There?" released in: U.S. News & World Report - Date:September 10, 1984

http://www.redxpro.com/articles/usnawr_9_10_1984.gif

[Atlas]

Search for the Tenth Planet – December 1981 – Astronomy

Astronomers are readying telescopes to probe the outer reaches of our solar system for an elusive planet much larger than Earth. Its existence would explain a 160-year-old mystery. … The pull exerted by its gravity would account for a wobble in Uranus’ orbit that was first detected in 1821 by a French astronomer, Alexis Bouvard.

Beyond Pluto, in the cold, dark regions of space, may lie an undiscovered tenth planet two to five times the size of Earth. Astronomers at the U.S. Naval Observatory (USNO) are using a powerful computer to identify the best target zones, and a telescopic search will follow soon after. … Van Flandern thinks the tenth planet may have between two and five Earth masses and lie 50 to 100 astronomical units from the Sun. (An astronomical unit is the mean distance between Earth and the Sun.) His team also presumes that, like Pluto’s, the plane of the undiscovered body’s orbit is tilted with respect to that of most other planets, and that its path around the Sun is highly elliptical.

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Search for The 10th Planet – 1982-06-19 – New York Times

A pair of American spacecraft may help scientists detect what could be a 10th planet or a giant object billions of miles away, the national Aeronautics and Space Administration said Thursday. Scientists at the space agency’s Ames Research Center said the two spacecraft, Pioneer 10 and 11, which are already farther into space than any other man-made object, might add to knowledge of a mysterious object believed to be beyond the solar system’s outermost known planets.

The space agency said that persistent irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune “suggest some kind of mystery object is really there” with its distance depending on what it is. If the mystery object is a new planet, it may lie five billion miles beyond the outer orbital ring of known planets, the space agency said. If it is a dark star type of objet, it may be 50 billion miles beyond the known planets; if it is a black hole, 100 billion miles. A black hole is a hypothetical body in space, believed to be a collapsed star so condensed that neither light nor matter can escape from its gravitational field.

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Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion? – 1982-06-28 – Newsweek

When scientists noticed that Uranus wasn’t following its predicted orbit for example, they didn’t question their theories. Instead they blamed the anomalies on an as yet unseen planet and, sure enough, Neptune was discovered in 1846. Now astronomers are using the same strategy to explain quirks in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune.

According to John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., this odd behavior suggests that the sun has an unseen companion, a dark star gravitationally bound to it but billions of miles away. …

Other scientists suggest that the most likely cause of the orbital snags is a tenth planet 4 to 7 billion miles beyond Neptune. A companion star would tug the outer planets, not just Uranus and Neptune, says Thomas Van Flandern of the U.S Naval Observatory. And where he admits a tenth planet is possible, but argues that it would have to be so big – a least the size of Uranus – that it should have been discovered by now. To resolve the question, NASA is staying tuned to Pioneer 10 and 11, the planetary probes that are flying through the dim reaches of the solar system on opposite sides of the sun.

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Searching for a 10th Planet – October 1982 – Astronomy

The hunt for new worlds hasn’t ended. Both Uranus and Neptune follow irregular paths that observers can explain only by assuming the presence of an unknown body whose gravity tugs at the two planets. Astronomers originally though Pluto might be the body perturbing its neighbors, but the combined mass of Pluto and its moon, Charon, is too small for such a role. … While astronomers believe that something is out there, they aren’t sure what it is. Three possibilities stand out: First, the object could be a planet – but any world large and close enough to affect the orbits of Uranus and Neptune should already have been spotted. Searchers might have missed the planet, though, if it’s unusually dark or has an odd orbit. (…)

NASA has been recording velocities for a year now and will continue for as long as necessary. This past spring, it appeared that budget cuts might force the end of the Pioneer project. The space agency now believes that it will have the money to continue mission operations. Next year, the JPL group will begin analyzing the data. By the time the Pioneer experiment shows results, an Earth-orbiting infrared telescope may have discovered the body. … Together, IRAS and the Pioneers will allow astronomers to mount a comprehensive search for new solar system members.

The two deep space probes should detect bodies near enough to disturb their trajectories and the orbits or Uranus and Neptune. IRAS should detect any large body in or near the solar system. Within the next year or two, astronomers may discover not one new world, but several.

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(source: wordpress.com/various-headlines-from-major-news-magazines-1981-1984 (http://chapter126.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/various-headlines-from-major-news-magazines-1981-1984/))

[Atlas]

From Wikipedia :

While its mission did not involve a search for Planet X, the IRAS space observatory made headlines briefly in 1983 due to an "unknown object" that was at first described as "possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this Solar System".[34]

Further analysis revealed that of several unidentified objects, nine were distant galaxies and the tenth was "interstellar cirrus"; none were found to be Solar System bodies.[35]

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[34] Thomas O'Toole (1983-12-30). "Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered" (http://web.archive.org/web/20080201141420/http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/washington_post_mystery_object.html). Washington Post. p. A1. Archived from the original on 2008-02-01. Retrieved 2008-01-28.

[35] J. R. Houck, D. P. Schneider, D. E. Danielson et al. (1985). "Unidentified IRAS sources: Ultra-High Luminosity Galaxies". The Astrophysical Journal 290: 5–8. Bibcode:1985ApJ...290L...5H (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1985ApJ...290L...5H). doi:10.1086/184431 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1086%2F184431).

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/1985ApJ___290L___5H.pdf

[Shane]

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He seemed to think that 'surely everyone already knew about this'.


I can identify with his feelings.

It won't be too much longer until "they" cannot deny things like this anymore. So, as we see "them" doing in many areas, "they" are trying to keep the skeptics (and mind controlled population) content with their (dis)belief. Do not underestimate the technologies available to keep astronomers (amateur or pro) blinded.

[lightpotential]

A good article that I have written about Planet X can be found at the link below on my new website. It examines initially the theories of Zecharia Sitchin, but goes on to summarise and cite certain Key astronomical papers on Planet X research. Including by Robert Harrington 1988, Neuhauser & Feitzinger 1990, Rodney Gomes 2012, and New Horzions 2013 (Jan). I explain about the structure or architecture of the solar system and how this bears on the potential orbit of Planet X. The research indicates that it is very doubtful that there is a large mass body periodically making a deep penetration into the inner solar system every several thousand years.

http://www.occultphysics.com/Nibiru-Planet-X-Zecharia-Sitchin.html

Sincerely

Keith

[Mu2143]

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[giovonni]

What I also have heard is that schumann resonance is going to increase when the red dwarf is closing in ,because of the magnetic flied. Some one who called in to the Nutrimedical report on Dr Deagle show mentioned this.
Now what I do know is that anything with a magnetic field has a affect on the consciousness and that this is the time we have left to get it right.

Please ~ perhaps you could elaborate on what you mean by getting it right ...

i am hopping you don't mean our last will and testament ... :)

[giovonni]

A good article that I have written about Planet X can be found at the link below on my new website. It examines initially the theories of Zecharia Sitchin, but goes on to summarise and cite certain Key astronomical papers on Planet X research. Including by Robert Harrington 1988, Neuhauser & Feitzinger 1990, Rodney Gomes 2012, and New Horzions 2013 (Jan). I explain about the structure or architecture of the solar system and how this bears on the potential orbit of Planet X. The research indicates that it is very doubtful that there is a large mass body periodically making a deep penetration into the inner solar system every several thousand years.

http://www.occultphysics.com/Nibiru-Planet-X-Zecharia-Sitchin.html

Sincerely

Keith

A very well complied and balanced article summary on the most available information ...

Thanks for sharing :thumb:

[Mu2143]

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[samvado]

I don't believe the New Zealand astronomer ....

It is NOT a question of belief - that astronomer presents PROOF, regardless of your belief in anything.

However, Bill Ryan is right, he ultimately only debunks THIS particular "planet-X" argument.

However, the way the original "proof" is presented, i.e. without any regard to possible observational errors or technical flaws, is symptomatic for the planet-x crowd. Little science, a lot of enthusiasm. It backfires whenever that little science is too little (like this time).

[samvado]

We may have to wait a little while longer to settle the discussion. Our opinions don't affect whether it really exists or not!
:)

Originally I was fully ready to debunk the "brown dwarf" once and for all.

This italian guy, I did read the entire thing, seemed unconvincing, he is a nobody in regards to any press or TV outlet, his publications are very questionable (the books, about Apollo 20 and such, deep fringe) and the 18 pages of google response to the mysterious secret service of the vatican ONLY referenced back to his original article, meaning this secret service is so secret that only HE ever got to know about it (outside the vatican). IN the face of NSA and MOSSAD being very much present with google that seemed unlikely - just as unlikely as this priest selecting him via REPEATED EMAILS (at least encrypted??) when even the NSA can read it all... plus the he then met him in person undetected? Plus THIS:

http://www.toughissues.org/whatisthegreatest.htm

Many people regularily go thru google earth and find all kinds of quirks, like UFOs and such, a full blown radio-observatory in Alaska would probably have been detected by now, even if hidden in a deserted ex-fuel-storage facility.
I dont think he had to give it all up because he was threatened, I believe it to be more likely that nobody was buying and his family was starving...

OK, that leads to "Dr." Bill Deagle, IMO fully debunked by research of an ex-Avalonian by the handle "Baron" (now retired) plus my own research regarding his interview with Bill Ryan in 2010, see the relevant thread here.
He IMO never mentioned 2017, he did say this brown dwarf would be between Jupiter & Mars (in 2010). This is patently b/s and I think even Bill Ryan today would agree to that, see my previous post regarding why that is so.

I went thru the old Decon/Neuman interviews, the last from 2009 (after that apparently he disappeared) and this guy comes across believable and competent (at the very least he did not blunder like Deagle) so I started to give it a bit more credit but was still far from convinced.

Then, upon readig an amazon review of the book "Lost Star of Myth and Time" I came across a comment that changed everything. It referenced this website:

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org

Now, the entire thing is VERY much Physics, even I (more leaning towards theoretical physics) had problems following it on first strike, but repeated reading cleared it up and THIS is IMO the first tangible evidence for the existence of a binary twin to SOL. None-scientists may choose to only read from here on, for all others it a fascinating read the entire site:

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/calculations/location.shtml

THAT is what I call STRONG EVIDENCE! :rockon:

This predicts a wide eliptical 1.5 inclined orbit, the object does not come close to the inner planets. There will still be times of enhanced influence on the sun itself which fits nicely to the observed heating of all planets (even pluto) and may lead to severe weather here. I have no clue if the influence would go beyond that, e.g. tectonics or others. The sun may shoot spikes, but that happens all the time (Carrington) and we just have been lucky so far in that respect.

There seem to be synchonicities with the major ice ages, but I didnt have the time to research that yet. However, in the face of the quick-deep-frozen Mammoths in Siberia this may be the ultimate aspect for surface dwellers.